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Sherlock Holmes Book Axed From 6th Grade Reading Lists After Anti-Mormon Claims

“A Study in Scarlet” Removed From Reading List Amid Anti Mormon ClaimsA Virginia county has decided to remove Sherlock Holmes’ first adventure from sixth-grade reading lists after its contents were deemed inappropriate and offensive to Mormons.

Brette Stevenson, a parent of a Henley Middle School student, had complained that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s “A Study in Scarlet” is derogatory toward Mormons.

Following a study conducted by a special commission and two board discussions regarding the matter, the Albemarle County School Board voted Thursday night to remove the book. The committee commissioned to study the novel said in a report that it’s not age-appropriate for sixth-graders.

One of the board members, Diantha McKiel, said that it was important to remember that this isn’t the first time the school system has reconsidered a book. She explained, “Sometimes we have declared books age inappropriate, sometimes we have decided that they should stay where they are.”

Still, not everyone was happy with the decision to remove the book from reading lists. The Daily Progess has more:

More than 20 former Henley students turned out to oppose the book’s removal from the lists. Rising Western Albemarle High School ninth-grader Quinn Legallo-Malone spoke during public comment to oppose removal of the book. He called the work “the best book I have read so far.”

The book includes a flashback to 1847 Utah that recounts the actions of a Mormon community when a non-Mormon man wants to marry the daughter of one of its members. The USA Today highlights the controversial text (from Chapter 3 of the book):

(John Ferrier) had always determined, deep down in his resolute heart, that nothing would ever induce him to allow his daughter to wed a Mormon. Such marriage he regarded as no marriage at all, but as a shame and a disgrace. Whatever he might think of the Mormon doctrines, upon that one point he was inflexible. He had to seal his mouth on the subject, however, for to express an unorthodox opinion was a dangerous matter in those days in the Land of the Saints.

In its classroom application, “A Study in Scarlet” has been used to expose and introduce students to the mystery genre. Because of its focus on religion, Stevenson told the board that she worries that the text gives students an “inaccurate introduction to an American religion.” Stevenson said she‘s pleased with the decision and suggested that Doyle’s fifth novel, “The Hound of the Baskervilles,” be offered as a replacement.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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  • pastrybiz
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:04pm

    My grandfather read the Complete Sherlock Holmes to me and my brothers and sisters from the time I was ten and they were even younger. Much I didn’t understand at that age although we loved the Hounds of the Baskervilles which my Grandfather loved to act out in different voices with much drama. It was scary fun. Over the years I have read that book many summers and enjoy the beautiful english as written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Eye candy english. I remember the Mormon story; it was more of a love story then about religion. I own that old book and treasure it. Every child should read it when ready to understand an adult type novel. This work of literature has enriched my life. I am 70.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:33pm

      the Book of Mormon is offensive to Christian believe, but we don’t ban the book of Mormon. mormon Prophet saying Joseph Smith must give his consent for us to enter the Kingdom of Heaven is offensive to Christians, but we don’t ban his sermons. And here is the cite to Brigham Young saying we need Joseph Smith’s consent to get into heaven (before I’m called anti-mormon):

      before I’m called anti-mormon, here is the quote and cite from Mormon Brigham Young saying we need Joseph Smith’s consent to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

      “namely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world . . . Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p289

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:51pm

      hank;

      You ARE anti-Mormon. If something makes Mormons look crazy or unchristian you blurp it out. Any disclaimer that the Journal of Discourse has absolutely no bearing on LDs doctrine or beliefs? And context? Young was pondering on those of this dispensation of time (also not LDS doctrine but talked about among Mormons). That Joseph Smith who ushered in the work of the Lord in “this dispensation” would stand to judge (not THEE JUDGEMENT) if one kept the commandments of God. like I said, this is NOT LDS doctrine or any part of their worship. LDS doctrine clearly declares that God will judge all men worthy of heaven. That is part of the LDS worship, not Joseph Smth being a judge.

      Another anticontext proclamation from Hankscram.

      Also, I really don’t care about this book. I can see how the level of reading may be above 6th grade. That instead of wondering “why would Mormons react this way” they’ll simply conclude, “Mormons react this way and I know because I read it in Sherlock Holmes”.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:58pm

      @Darren,

      I think mormon prophet Brigham Young was anti-Christian for preaching the Joseph Smith’s consent was required to get into heaven. Is that weird? No, its bizarre and un-Christian.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:30pm

      Hank;

      “I think mormon prophet Brigham Young was anti-Christian for preaching the Joseph Smith’s consent was required to get into heaven”

      OK. Thanks.

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    • HarkAllYeNations
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:07pm

      HANKSCRAM

      Read: Luke 22:38-30 “But you are those who have continued with Me in My trials. And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me, that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

      Could Brigham be referring to something like Jesus did to the apostles at the last supper? The above verse shows that none of the 12-tribes of Israel would get to heaven without Christ’s apostles participating in the judgement. Just a thought.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:20pm

      Hark;

      That’s good to ponder on.

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    • Conservitive Ticker
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:28pm

      I think Hank S. is anti-Christian for preaching bigotry why don’t you give an accurate history of the book before quoting from its pages. And tell all the people that view your rantings what the official Church stance is concerning the journal of discourses. Since we all need Hanks consent to get into heaven, will you please tell us how. Do you condemn early traditional Christians for believing the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth, early Christians killed a lot of people for saying otherwise. Does that make the followers of today’s of Catholic and all of the break off protestant and evangelical religions unchristian. They use to believe in witches and killed thousands of women, does that make today’s Catholic and etc. unchristian. Slavery was justified by almost all early christian religions, where does your hypocrisy end. Grow up and Use your Brain. Gods has told us how to find truth, Study, Ponder & Pray and the Holy Ghost will revel the truth to you personally. LDS Prophets tell us to do the same thing with the words they speak today and not take their word for it, Study Ponder and Pray.

      Hank………SCRAM!!!!!

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    • audiemurphy
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:52pm

      @HANKSCRAM

      you are not even Christian! you believe in Darwins Theory ya clown!
      and if you could ever form a rational thought with an intelligent rebuff based on fact you might be taken seriously. You are but a useful idiot. But please keep posting anti Mormon rants I find them entertaining.

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    • DarkFire
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 12:54am

      look the real problem here is that your 6th graders can not read it anyways. the real head line of this story should be ……….. 6TH GRADE CLASSROOM TAKES HOLES BOOKS OUT AND REPLACES IT WITH SEE SPOT RUN!

      then the article should read…………………. many books are being replaced with reading level appropriate for the 6th grade. such books like holmes and algerbra for the 6th grader are being replaced with books such as see spot run and how to count to 10 with my fingures!

      i mean come on you parents only view school and a free babysitter, why would you want you kids to know how to read and be productive members of our country. think about it people, our kids can not read, write or do math, but you as parents are intent on buying them video games, and cellphone so they can flitter and twitbook all day.

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    • ValiantDefender
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 3:26am

      @Dittohead – The story is about a book being removed. But if you want to throw out statements like that, please be specific.

      If you’re referring to polygamy, then you must also feel that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) were also sick and twisted perverts.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 4:01am

      Ditto;

      “I know the history of it, and how the con-man/sexual deviant Joseph Smith ”

      Really? You know Mormon history? Can you provide one iota of evidence that Joseph Smith was a sex deviant? Anything? As pointed out to you, Abraham, isaac, Jacob, and I’ll add Moses, definitely had more than one wife produce children for each of them respectively. What about Joseph Smith? come on, you know the history. Even hank will tell you that there is no evidence. Unless, of course, hank wants to lie some more.

      “and how the con-man/sexual deviant Joseph Smith plagiarized the BOM from the Bible and “View of the Hebrews”.

      Any proof of that? Like, you know, that he read it or even had possession of it? Anything beyong conjecture that Joseph Smith even knew of ‘View of the Hebrews’? Even hankscram could tell you that DNA now indicates to Jewish ancestory among the American Indians. Unless, of course, he still wants to lie about his knowledge.

      “Actually, Glenn Beck happens to be the best thing that ever happened to Mormonism.”

      Actually, Jesus Christ is the best thing that happened to Mormonism. He founded it afterall.

      I’m actually starting to see hank as a valuable resource to defend Mormonism. That’ll make hank proud.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 5:53am

      I agree no evidence Joseph Smith had any children outside of his first marriage. Brigham Young – dozens and dozens.

      DNA? Jewish ancestry among the American Indians? I haven’t heard a peep about that from anyone. Everything I have read says the only DNA connection that can be established with the American Indians is from Asia. There are no scientist to my knowledge saying the DNA evidence establishes that people from Israel came to America as claimed in the book of mormon. I don’t think Indians are of jewish descent. Plus, there is not an iota of evidence that any language from Israel shows up in any American Indian languages.

      You’re a nice and knowledgeable guy Darren, but you’re trying to defend a religion that was made up. There are no cities, no ruins, no roads, no archeological digs, no chariots, no weapons, no language – there isn’t even one artifact hanging in one museum that the LDS church claims came from the great civilization discussed in the Book of Mormon. I‘ve looked all over the LDS church website and I don’t see a word about a museum where I can see a single artifact. If millions lived, fought and died here, the evidence would be undeniable. It simply does not exist.

       
    • McFreedom
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 7:48am

      I agree with you completely. How sad that children can’t read stories of morality because no “bad” characters are allowed.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 10:00am

      @HANKSCRAM:

      First, the book wasn‘t ’banned,’ it was pulled from the reading list for sixth-graders. It’s probably still in the library, the student would just have to ask for it, not pick off a grade-appropriate reading list.

      Second, I don’t think the purported anti-Mormon passages are why it was pulled – it was deemed not age-appropriate for sixth-graders.

      Finally, I seriously doubt this school has a copy of the book of Mormon in it’s library – or the Holy Bible, The Koran, or the Torah.

      There have been millions and millions of books written since Guttenberg, and the vast majority of them (almost all) are not on this school district’s sixth-grade reading list – does that mean they also are being banned?

      No.

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    • gmoneytx
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 10:06am

      Joseph Smith can kiss my ass! I don’t need a “coupon” from him to go to Heaven, what a wackjob!

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 11:41am

      @conservative: puhleaze they didn’t believe the earth was flat…thats just atheist BS.

      as far as witches…please…the inquisition killed a couple hundred people over a couple hundred years….nothing compared to bloodthirsty atheists…

      as far as slavery…you can thank christianity for ending slavery…islam didn’t nor did atheism…

      I would say get a clue, but its probably not possible…

      oh Isaac wasn’t a polygamist…I don’t think abraham was either..he didn’t marry hagar…she was more of a concubine….

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    • HisNameWasRobertPaulson
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 1:26pm

      Hank, you are an offensive troll.

      First of all, it is apparent that either English isn’t your first language, or it is and you are seriously incapable of speaking it or writing it.

      Taking things out of context for your own sick and twisted purposes only shows that you are just an ignorant, yet useful, idiot.

      Congratulations on that.

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    • Excellenceofsoul
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 8:10pm

      Darren said: “Any disclaimer that the Journal of Discourse has absolutely no bearing on LDs doctrine or beliefs?”

      No bearing? Actually (not sure how relevant this whole debate is on the article topic, but for full disclosure): The following statement appears in the preface to volume 8, page iii of the Journal of Discourses:

      “The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as ONE OF THE STANDARD WORKS OF THE CHURCH, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every Number as it comes forth from the press as an additional reflector of “the light that shines from Zion’s hill.” (other LDS “standard works” = Book of Mormon, D&C, Pearl of Great Price, Bible)

      Brigham Young (who made the Declaration the no one would get into the Celestial Kingdom without the consent of Joseph Smith) that his sermons (many in the Journal of Discourses) are scripture:

      “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually. In the days of Joseph, revelation was given and written, and the people were driven from city to city and place to place, until we were led into these mountains. Let this go to the people with “Thus saith the Lord,” and if they do not obey it, you will see the chastening hand of the Lord upon them.” – JoD 13:95 (January 2, 1870)

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    • coloradobrad
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 12:48am

      To Hanscram,

      Banning a book from a public school system and banning a book from whatever you are referring to are two completely different things…Your statement is pointless. I believe the separation of church and state would ban the Book of Mormon from the reading list of public schools.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 12:57am

      Free speech rights don’t protect anyone from being offended, by the way the bible is true, Joseph smith is a liar.

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    • Huguenot Descendant
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 3:48am

      @HANK

      I think many here have corrected you on the Journal of Discourses which you had taken completely out of context. I am not surprised there are anti Mormons here like you, Darren, and Conservative. But those of Christian beliefs (yes Mormons are Christians) should be fighting amongst each other. Especially in the dark days we are in now.

      However I will tell you this about your following comments. On your comments about there is no proof on Indians coming from a Jewish nation is also false. There is a lot of evidence if you looked around.

      1. Thomas Jefferson saw similarities between Jews and Indians saying and I quote – “all the Indians of American to be descended from the Jews: the same laws, usages; rites and ceremonies, the same sacrifices, priests, prophets, fasts and festivals, almost the same religion, and that they all spoke Hebrew.”

      2. As my Science teacher in college told me there is evidence that those of Jewish decent did reach America long before Columbus. One such proof was in New Mexico where archeologists discovered a stone written with the entire ten commandments on it. Another was Gold with Egyptian language (which the Jewish people knew) found in a cave in the mid west of the United States.

      3. You can’t trace DNA that far back to any race. Look it up.

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    • obfuscatenot
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 9:44am

      The problem is NOT the book the problem is censorship, and the continued dumbing down of our younger generations! If a child of 12 cannot understand the concept of an opinion or a work of literature then we have a bigger problem than offending a group of people. What are we doing? Absurdity! HOMESCHOOL!

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 12:46pm

      HUGUENOT,

      Jefferson was right, the indians speak hebrew.

      Journal of Discourses. When I lived in Salt Lake City I realized a mormon doesn’t have to believe anything to be considered a mormon by other mormons. All you have to do is stand up on Sundays and say “I know this is the true church.” You don’t need to read sermons from the early mormon Prophets, in fact, you kind of discouraged from doing so. And I quickly learned that to even ask a difficult question was frowned upon. I found it so odd to be around a group of people who wore their religion on their sleeve, but, no offense intended, were not evidencing any meaningful relationship with Christ in their life. I could rarely engage the average mormon in Salt Lake City in a conversation because they didn’t have anything to say. They could not even answer questions about their faith. They believed – just because.

      I understand Journal of Discourses is not something you want brought up. I’ve never seen a group of people simultaneously so proud and ashamed of their religion.

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    • Huguenot Descendant
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 2:36pm

      @HANK

      Once again you have completely ignored all the comments here that dispute your theories about the Journal of Discourse. Now you are just saying the same tune over and over like a broken record. It’s time to face facts and admit to yourself that you are anti Mormon. It’s sad really though, to have so much hate inside for a religion because of their beliefs which preaches that of the Saviors love for everyone. Maybe you should try to look to the words of Jesus to find love in your heart instead of hatred. That is unless you are Atheist.

      Also again I noticed you couldn’t dispute one fact that I placed before you. In fact you even have now agreed with me proving your on words wrong about the truth that there is evidence in a connection between the Indians and Jewish people. Yet instead of learning from that mistake you just ignore it and continue to make others. Really now if you can’t even do that with any facts then maybe you should try looking at why you hate Mormons so much instead of talking nonsense about them which only make you look foolish.

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    • Excellenceofsoul
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 7:16pm

      @Huguenot wrote as “proofs” in support of the BoM:

      “1. Thomas Jefferson saw similarities between Jews and Indians saying and I quote – “all the Indians of American to be descended from the Jews: the same laws, usages; rites and ceremonies, the same sacrifices, priests, prophets, fasts and festivals, almost the same religion, and that they all spoke Hebrew.” –

      -Pure speculation from someone in the 1700/1800′s does not constitute proof or even evidence. Interesting citation.

      2. As my Science teacher in college told me there is evidence that those of Jewish decent did reach America long before Columbus. One such proof was in New Mexico where archeologists discovered a stone written with the entire ten commandments on it. (interesting, but far from “proof” and even questionable in many respects – a quick summary of the status: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone )

      Another was Gold with Egyptian language (which the Jewish people knew) found in a cave in the mid west of the United States. – maybe you can be more specific?

      3. You can’t trace DNA that far back to any race. Look it up.

      – That doesn’t seem at all to be the scientific consensus. It is one of the ideas from the LDS attempting to debunk the DNA studies showing no connection to the Jews.

      Was your professor a BYU professor by any chance?

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 9:12pm

      Hank, Mormons are Christian.

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    • Huguenot Descendant
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 9:13pm

      @Excellenceofsoul

      Lastly you sound like an Anti Mormon just like HANK and have represented yourself in a foolish manner. You even provided a link on the 10 Commandments and I thank you for that as you just helped prove my point though anyone could of looked it up if so desired.

      Also I don’t believe I need to find you the evidence of the Egyptian gold and writing found in the mid west as you did a good job at finding the 10 Commandments that I think you can search for it yourself. However knowing your actions and words from I have posted already you would probably make some other lame excuse for that as well just to prove how spiteful you are of any evidence to the backing of the Book of Mormon. You are clearly anti Mormon and just wish to demonize my religion just as the Liberals try to demonize Conservatives and Libertarians as well as the Tea Party. The reason is because they disagree with it.

      In the end it would be nice if Christians could just work together to help solve the problems of what is happening in this country and not criticize each other out of hatred. If you can’t handle that ES then perhaps you should talk to the head of your church on why you are so hateful.

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    • qtsusie
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 10:49pm

      To Hank and other Mormon haters I leave this quote for you:
      “Rather than being judgmental and critical of each other, may we have pure love of Christ for our fellow travelers in this journey through life.”
      President Thomas S. Monson, President and Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons)

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:24am

      and don’t forget what Joseph Smith claims God and Jesus told him about all religions except for the mormon religion: “they were all wrong; and . . . all their creeds were an abomination in his sight” (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

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    • PJL
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:06pm

      By the way beckwasfox, freedom of speech you are an idiot!

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    • Excellenceofsoul
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:32pm

      @ Huguenot: August 14, 2011 at 9:13pm

      “You are clearly anti Mormon and just wish to demonize my religion just as the Liberals try to demonize Conservatives and Libertarians as well as the Tea Party.”

      Clearly anti-Mormon because I dared ask about your “evidences”?

      Pretty big assumption, unless you mean that anyone that comments about or asks for clarification of your assertions = anti-mormon. It is far more easy to cavalierly throw around labels than to have a reasonable conversation. But that appears to be your modus operani here throughout. Vague assertions followed by crushing blows with an “anti-mormon“ ”hateful” accusation. Nice stuff. Very effective. Straight out of the left’s own playbook and akin to “homophobe” and “racist” labels used to undermine the creditibility of anyone who dares question. It seems to work well for you in deflecting attention from what you are afraid to discuss.

      Reasonable conversation and consideration is apparently not your desire – and perhaps not within your ability.

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  • SoCalOilMan
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:51pm

    Did they ask anyone in the LDS leadership if the book was offensive? Is Brette Stevenson, a parent of a Henley Middle School student, who complained about it even a Mormon? That is never mentioned even in the cited article and I refuse to just assume.

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    • PJL
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:01pm

      Thank you! This story is about taking a book off of a reading list, like Tom Sawyer, Uncle Tom’s cabin. This book and the others should not be taken off. But this Mormon basing is low class, to say the least. Proud MORMON.

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    • qtsusie
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:29pm

      This is for Hankscram: “by their fruits ye shall know them” and your fruits ain’t looking so good about now. I would rather follow the advice of President Thomas S Monson than yours anytime, anywhere, anyhow!! You have proven by your fruits that Joseph Smith was right about your beliefs which are full of hate thus proving your fruits are not of Jesus Christ. “As I have loved you, love one another”. You are supposed to love your enemies too. I have asked Heavenly Father to help me find a way to love you, but you make it very difficult. I am having a real problem obeying that commandment and have asked for forgiveness. Remember, Jesus loves you even though…

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  • marvel
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:46pm

    I have no problems with this book remaining on the list, and I’m Mormon. It is an accurate window into how people viewed Mormonism during the time, and makes for good story telling. I think the actions of the school board, though well meaning, are misplaced. There is plenty of real modern bigotry to be concerned about.

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    • stinkybisquit
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:54pm

      My same thoughts, just as “Huckleberry Finn” has been banned before. Erase the past, and you’re bound to repeat it.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:54pm

      I‘d agree but it seems this book wasn’t “banned” or altered like with Huck Fin’s racist word. It seems it was deemed inappropriate from the 6th grade to read. While it doesn’t really bother me that this book was on the 6th grade reading list, I do see Stevenson’s point.

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  • BellaMia7
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:44pm

    So would the school tolerate a book in which a sympathetic protagonist would claim that they could never attend the wedding of a gay friend, but it would be dangerous to say so in the PC community where he lived. Insinuating that it’s those weird, scary dangerous gay people that you have to watch out for. No way would this type of sentiment be tolerated in a school book.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:45pm

      @Bellamia,

      You know any temple worthy Mormon would never marry a non-mormon Christian. You don’t like a little book where a character says something about marrying a mormon. But many mormons actually teach their children not to marry a non-mormon Christian. Sounds hypocritical to me.

      What do mormons have against Christians? Why are you always trying to get us to get baptized into the mormon church? Isn’t accepting Jesus enough?

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:59pm

      Hank;

      “You know any temple worthy Mormon would never marry a non-mormon Christian.” That’s factually incorrect as you well know having lived in Salt Lake City. But, yes, it should be Mormon’s goal to marry in the temple. That’s what I teach my children. And what blessings are opened when they do!

      “Isn’t accepting Jesus enough?”

      You tell me. Now that you’ve accepted Jesus, what does He want you to do?

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:08pm

      @Darren,

      Have you told your daughters if they get married in the mormon temple they will wear something that looks like a baker’s hat and a green apron. And they and their husband will get a secret name – but she does not get to know her husband’s secret name . . . even though she tells him her secret name. Truly, a fairy-tale wedding. And Anti-Christian – Christ didn’t preach about secret names to be used to get through the veil and into Heaven.

       
    • Mark Tripp
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:35pm

      Hey Hank? Why not scram?

      If not, may I suggest you put a condom over your head when you post? Because if you are going to act like one you should look like one too….

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:38pm

      hank;

      “Have you told your daughters if they get married in the mormon temple they will wear something that looks like a baker’s hat and a green apron. And they and their husband will get a secret name – but she does not get to know her husband’s secret name . . . even though she tells him her secret name.”

      Not yet.

      “Christ didn’t preach about secret names to be used to get through the veil and into Heaven.”

      Everything done in the temples is done ot serve and glorify God.

      ” 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

      3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the chouse of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

      4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

      5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us awalk in the blight of the Lord.”

      Isaiah 2

      Considering where you lived, that should be familiar to you. Perhaps much more so than you imagine.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:45pm

      Oops, it should be “light of the Lord” in verse 5. I forgot to erase the footnote “b” in front of “light”. That does make a difference on context.

      Say, hank, that’s a good lesson for you to take.

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    • eightoftentoo
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 12:18am

      Hankscram is such an ignorant hater. I’m a 5th generation member of the LDS church. I just celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary with a husband who is NOT a member of our church. LDS people have taught to marry members because we believe an eternal marriage can only be made in the temple, and you can only enter the temple if you have fulfilled the prerequisite of baptism. And because the temple is the next step in spiritual progression, the first steps have to be completely understood before taking the next step. And not marrying outside of the church is not about hate, it’s about being “equally yoked” as the Bible talks about. As for the book… real LDS members couldn’t give a hoot about whether the book is read or not. It doesn‘t express any hate and it’s someone’s view from the outside of the church looking in. We totally respect someone sharing that view. It was what it was and it was a different time, so let’s all learn from it… even old Hankscram.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 4:03am

      eightoften;

      Congradulations on your marriage. Here’s to 25 more years!

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    • ShockNAwe
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 10:35am

      HANKSCRAM
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:45pm
      What do mormons have against Christians? Why are you always trying to get us to get baptized into the mormon church? Isn’t accepting Jesus enough?

      Hank, Mormons have nothing against Christians of other religious sects. I truly wish more people would be more Christ like. The question is…what do people like you have against the LDS Church? If you know the history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints you will know that many members were murdered just for being a member. They were literally killed & driven out of many states. The scripture comes to my mind in the New Testament….Luke 10:27 And He answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

      You ask why is it that the Mormons (which is a nickname, not the name of the church) are trying to get everyone Baptized into the church? We believe in proclaiming the gospel to all. We don’t force anybody to join the church, in fact, it is up to the people that are taught to make that decision. The missionaries just teach people more about Christ, answer questions about why there are so many churches, and the history of the church. If the person being taught prays on their own about what is being taught is true and receives an answer, they willingly join the church.

      And no, accepting Christ isn’t enough, we must DO as He did. We must serve

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    • revolutionrosie
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:49am

      I’m a Latter Day Saint, Married to my Naval Officer hubby 8 yrs this month. He’ is not a member of the LDS church. Great guy, amazing Dad, friends to my friends at church and is a defender of the LDS faith. He lives on the inside of the religion w/o getting baptized, and knows what a tremendous force for good in the world it is, even if he doesnt’ agree with all the doctrine. We both work together in our local tea party leadership. I find it sad that conservatives shred each other over religion, when we should be standing together during these evil times. That contention IS the work of the enemy.

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:43pm

    I’m quite familiar with these people. Keep in mind that if this is the Daily Progress, this is Charlottesville, Virginia.

    They voted for Obama at a craptacular 89% as I recall. They are college professors with “free speech” zones in the middle of the University of Virginia. Literally, and these “free speech” zones are monitored.

    They hired a black Principal of Charlottesville High School because black people were attacking white people in the parking lot once. Literally. Once. Twenty years ago.

    These people would live in a town with one dirt road, surrounded by German mercenaries with names like Shifflet‘s and Morris’s interbreeding for centuries, if they weren’t sucking off of government funding. This is what they are.

    Don’t think burning books is above them. They would goose step off a cliff if a muslim/communist with a government paycheck told them to. This is their idea of heaven. It’s like Berkeley without the scientists.

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  • BellaMia7
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:39pm

    As a Mormon Mom, we had an issue when the high school brought an anti-Mormon author to speak at the school. Her motive seems to be that she has a gay son. Her book BURNT is about a hostile disaffected Mormon teenage girl who hates her parents, hates her Mormon bishop, hates her “geeky” Mormon friends, loves her cool ex-Mormon feminist aunt who encourages the girl to sleep with her boy friend – and tells her “I don’t think God cares one little bit about religion.”

    Girl gets pregnant, runs away with boyfriend to avoid her alcoholic Mormon dad (like there’s so many of those /s), prays to God that they will all be safe – God fails her completely when they get in a car accident and both her unborn baby and boyfriend are killed. SO….she decides she is either going to kill herself or take a gun and shoot up her church – and it goes through her fantasizing how she will pull the trigger during sacrament meeting, and how the faces of the bishop and her parents will look when she kills them. And that’s how the book ends.

    After the synopsis by the author, my duaghter’s friends all turned around to see her stunned reactions and said to her – Oh, should we be afraid of you now?

    I had to write a letter and we had to have a talk with the superintendent who was a total uber-b—-. They refused to remove the book from the school library – said that would be censorship.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:45pm

      They felt a need for that book to be in the SCHOOL library? It isn’t censorship to say that book belongs in the public library IMHO.

      Is the Bible in the school library? Koran? Torah? Why not, are they trying to prevent those books from influencing the students?

      Did you ask for equal time?

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    • BellaMia7
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:46pm

      Sorry, the book is BURNED. Her first book is based on the true story of her meth addicted daughter called, CRANK.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:51pm

      You should consider writing a similar book but substitute Islamic references for each Mormon reference and see what the school officials say about THAT book… Funny how that one little change would likely make such a big difference to them…

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:39pm

      Again, the Book of Mormon is a pagan book – a guy says he wrote it by looking at a rock in his hat where the “word of God” was given to him. If we can allow a pagan Book of Mormon – that has its roots in mysticism – we can surely allow a little detective story. I enjoyed Sherlock Holmes . . . and it doesn’t indoctrinate children into a cult belief system.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:43pm

      Hank;

      ” 8 And he put the breastplate upon him: also he put in the breastplate the Urim and the Thummim.”

      Leviticus 8

      Urim and Thummim are associated with prophets seeking to serve god and to seek His counsel. Its connected with communicating with God.

      Blasted mystics! ;>)

      /sarc off

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  • beekeeper
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:36pm

    Read that first sentence again:

    “A Virginia county has decided to remove Sherlock Holmes’ first adventure from sixth-grade reading lists after its contents were deemed inappropriate and offensive to Mormons.”

    They are removing it from a reading list – that’s it. They just aren’t suggesting it for sixth graders.

    There are many, many books that aren’t on the 6th grade reading list (almost every book ever published, I dare say, except for the select few the teachers have choosen for various reasons) – I don’t hear anyone complaining that, say, Finnegan‘s Wake isn’t on the 6th grade reading list, or Catcher in the Rye…

    Seriously, understand what you are reacting to – OK?

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    • Pete
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:41pm

      It was brought up because they deemed it as offensive to Mormons. It is not. To remove a book because it may cause offense is offensive.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:47pm

      Forget it…

      Half the people don’t even read the article and the other half are just looking for something to be mad about…

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    • MHP
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:40pm

      TrollTrainer,

      I’ve had this article up for a good 4 hours, as I’m watching the season finale of Whale Wars, and taping it as well for our organization Sea Shepherd as well, which I’m well involved in.
      I hope to go on one of our campaigns one time.
      We’re not sure if the Japanese whalers quit for good early last season, but I certainly don’t trust them, and neither does Capt. Paul.
      One of the missions we had to go on was a physical search for the crew of the “Berserk” which is a sail boat. 4 people aboard, all hands were lost.
      We dropped everything we did to go on the search, and Am my self could have been qualified to go on this search, and if necessary remove the bodies, if we found them.

      So we do what we can, and sometimes Glenn and the Blaze has to take a back seat.
      Our campaings are damn dangerous, even at risk or our lives, but it’s worth it to save our clients, the whales.
      If they die off, the rest of the animals die off, the oceans die off, and once the oceans die off, we as humans die off too.
      Now this makes it a bigger imperative to do what we can.

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  • Pete
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:29pm

    What I see is a fake ban. Someone wants to bring this great work of fiction by a great author, and use it to try and discredit Mitt and Jon. Their are elements in our society who would read this story and believe that it is a historical and factual tale. What better way to get anyone to read something than to “ban” it.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:38pm

      It’s not a ban – they took it off a reading list, that’s it. They think the book is not age-appropriate for 6th graders…

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:37pm

      is the Book of Mormon appropriate for 6th graders? when the mormon prophet Brigham Young preaches that Joseph Smith’s consent is required to get into heaven – I don’t know any Christians that want the children told that mormon prophet Joseph Smith is a judge on who gets into heaven.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:08pm

      “I don’t know any Christians that want the children told that mormon prophet Joseph Smith is a judge on who gets into heaven.”

      Then they should have no problems joining the Mormon faith.

      These Book of Mormon “connections” you‘re tring to tie into this discussion is one of the stupidest approaches you’ve taken ths far. And from you, that’s an accomplishment.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:25pm

      @Darren,

      “Then they should have no problems joining the Mormon faith.”

      Seriously, can you give me one reason that a non-mormon Christian should join the mormon church?

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:57pm

      “Seriously, can you give me one reason that a non-mormon Christian should join the mormon church?”

      Articles of Faith 4-5:

      ” 4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

      5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the fordinances thereof.”

      Those are two excellent reasons for all people to join the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. But it’s according to their own concscience and free will. All are welcome to join us in worship and in praise to God Almighty. All are welcome to learn of the gospel of Jesus Christ and to come unto Him through covenant by those having authority.

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    • MNative
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 3:16am

      It‘s also worth adding this tidbit in addition to Darren’s comment.

      Article of Faith 13

      13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul [the apostle] —We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to gendure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 1:36am

      @ HANKSCRAM
      I gotta give you credit — you remind me of “The Green Knight” in Monty Python and the Holy Grail — you totally get sliced up logically but you are still eager for keeping up your nonsensical diatribe.

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    • PJL
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 12:54pm

      Yes Hank, because they will not act as you do. They will not be haters.

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  • TAKE_NO_PRISONERS
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:29pm

    Bout’ time somebody stood up to that Mormon hating Doyle.I read this story back in 5th grade, have been a Sherlock fan ever since. Now I realize why I get flushed with anger when I see Mitt Romney. Burn that book right now!!!!I want to see flames!!!!

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:40pm

      Sarcasam noted, but it isn’t a ban, it’s a judgement on age-appropriateness in one school system. Does your local school system recommend this book for 6th graders? Why not? Has the mormon cabal gotten to your district as well, or do they think there are other books better-suited to today’s sixth-graders?

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  • beekeeper
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:25pm

    For all of those folks complaining about the ban, don’t forget it simply relates to what the school district keeps in the library and what it teaches in the classroom – the local library, bookstore, and internet (http://www.literature.org/authors/doyle-arthur-conan/study-in-scarlet/) will still have the work available.

    Personally, I don’t think the district parents would have an issue with a sixth-grade student reaching out and taking this book off a library shelf, but for the state-run school to put it in the hands of every sixth-grader and discuss it for a couple weeks is an entirely different thing.

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  • hogtrashhd
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:22pm

    hey.. let’s go burn some books.. yeehaw.. give me a frigging break..

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:29pm

      Seriously, this isn’t anything more than a school district deciding that a book is not age-appropriate for sixth-graders. They aren’t preventing children from reading it, they are saying that the school district shouldn’t be putting this particular book in the hands of each sixth-grader in the district and spending a week or two discussing it in class…

      They are taking the book out of the curriculum, not purging out of the county. They’ll probably take the books they have and send them along to the middle schools, so the 7th and 8th graders can study the book…

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  • kindling
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:07pm

    I am Mormon and I feel it is wrong to ban this book. If it describes sex or something like that, then yes. But, this is a free speech issue and if parents don’t want their kids to read it then they can ban it. It should not be banned because of a faith issue.

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    • jdog777
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:23pm

      I’m Mormon… and this book is not age appropriate for 6th graders.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:42pm

      They can’t read Sherlock Holmes, but they can read the Book of Mormon that teaches that Jesus came to America, that teaches the garden of eden was in Missouri, that teaches man can become God, that there are multiple Gods — . the Book of Mormon goes against many Christian values. We don’t ban it. Lighten up about a little detective story.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:07pm

      Hank;

      Does the Book of mormon teach:

      1) Jesus came to America? – Yes. in ancient times shortly after His crucifixion and resurrection in the old World.

      2) The Garden of Eden in Missouri? – Nope. It doesn’t teach that at all. Anywhere.

      3) That man may become God? – Nope. it teaches that God is mightier than all and forever will be. that man should strive to shed it’s nature and be born again in Jesus.

      4) That there are multiple gods? – Nope. It teaches that there is one God.

      Good job, you got 25% correct. I think there’s a cone hat for that. And I thought you said you read that book.

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    • HarkAllYeNations
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:15pm

      Hankscram,

      Pretty funny. Your statement proves you have never read the Book of Mormon yourself. Maybe you should try it before you spew information like you have. Just a thought.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 12:08am

      I’ll stick with the Bible. the book of mormon made a good broadway play, but it isn’t Christian doctrine.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 4:09am

      “the book of mormon made a good broadway play”

      Wait until South Park produces make one ofthe Bible. You’ll declare it an all time classic. If they can write a song which say, “F*** You God” and sing about sex with children in Africa from the Book of mormon, wait until they get a book which speaks of incest, horrific violence, and, of course, ploygamy, and all from God’s holy men. I‘m sure you’ll love it and laugh just as much over it.

      And, don‘t forget that time and time again the Bible’s been used to faithfully support Mormon theology.

      Toodles.

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  • MyTurnNow
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:02pm

    The world population is the total number of living humans on the planet Earth, currently estimated to be 6.94 billion by the United States Census Bureau. …

    We should strive to satisfy everybody ……. but while we’re waiting read “A Study in Scarlet” and the Book of Mormon to pass the time!

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  • toto
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:02pm

    It’s just so rich! We can’t have kids reading the classics, but we damn well better be teaching them all the fine details and wonders and attributes of homosexuality. Common sense is dead.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:42pm

      Wow – not a ban, simply took the book off a sixth-grade suggested reading list. None of Glenn Beck’s books are on the sixth-grade reading list either, is that a conspiracy as well? Nor are any works by James Joyce, J.D. Salinger, or Richard Wright I bet – just not age-appropriate, that’s ALL.

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  • MyTurnNow
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:56pm

    Yes, let‘s rewrite history through the prism of today’s ultimate elitist intelligence …… so much for history!

    What do you mean what intelligence?

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  • foobear
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:47pm

    Oh, liberals! When will you stop your silly games?

    This isn’t quite as bad as the expurgiated version of Huck Finn, but it’s in the same neighborhood.

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  • MyTurnNow
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:43pm

    Everyone in every school district should find something offensive in the school’s material and complain and complain and complain!

    We might as well drive all this crap to the breaking point ….. and let it break! This political correctness is damning this country and the anarchist know it.

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  • hoolege06
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:42pm

    Wow, as a Mormon I actually find it offensive that they removed it. What interesting times we live in….

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  • Carol Ingian
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:42pm

    I’m not Mormon, but I think if a book is offensive, just choose another. It shouldn‘t be forced on anyone if they don’t want to read it.

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    • MyTurnNow
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:51pm

      I find math offensive because numbers are the tools of the devil ……. bad, very bad!

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  • Boilervet
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:32pm

    Mormons welcome any and all to find out for themselves if the things in this or any book are true by:
    1. Reading it.
    2. Pondering the thing you have read with real, sincere intent to know the truth.
    3. Asking God in prayer if it be true and receiving the answer to prayer by the Holy Ghost.

    You tell me if the Mormons would approve book banning.

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  • Chialms
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:32pm

    @JDICKISO

    Not to mention that Ender’s Game was written by a Mormon who has also written novels, essays and nonfiction works that span a vast range of subject matter. One of my favorite authors of all time. And this isn’t just an attack on Mormons, it’s an attack on Religion itself. By removing Religion from all public aspect of life and teaching children to live without morals the Communist Regime gains power. Just one more instance of Religion being taught to be shameful.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:54pm

      @Chialms,

      Mormons don’t support teaching religion in school. Can you imagine mormons allowing their children to hear the Christian ideas without including Joseph Smith in the picture – without including the Book of Mormon in the picture? Of course not. Christians have a totally different idea of God, Jesus and what it takes to get into Heaven – Joseph Smith is not a judge for Christians, as Brigham Young taught.

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    • BellaMia7
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:19pm

      Hank is obviously not an expert because his facts are wrong and he is obviously a foaming-at-the-mouth rabid Anti-Mormon. Who lives like this? Hank, I’m a Mormon and we focus on love and respect for other people and their beliefs.

      When the Sihks built a temple in south Salt Lake, the LDS church donated $10,000 to use for their landscaping. Then the Mormons put out a call for volunteers to help with the landscaping – after the first 100, they had to turn people away. I think that is Christ-like behavior, don’t you? By their fruits, ye shall know them.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:35pm

      Bellamia,

      As a Christian, I’ve stood outside the mormon temple while my mormon friends were married – because the mormons didn’t consider us – as Christians – worthy to enter their mormon temple. Wow, you respect other beliefs? I sure felt like mormons were anti-Christian making us stand outside while all the “worthy” mormons attended the ceremony.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:51pm

      “because the mormons didn’t consider us – as Christians – worthy to enter their mormon temple”

      Mormons don’t consider a lot of Mormons worthy neither.

      Marriage is an ordinance from God and celebrations of it are the institutions of man. I heard that on Dr. Laura’s show and she was 100% correct. I feel for you that you felt left out but insisting in any way you had any right to attend the ceremony is to insist that man has a right to impose on God. You again are rendering that which is God to Ceasar. That’s NOT how it works.

      Let me guess though, you got to go to the receptions?

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    • joodgy-woodgy puddin -n- pie
      Posted on August 14, 2011 at 11:43pm

      HankScram
      Just have to let you know that I personally know a “Mormon” mother who works simply to pay tuition for her two daughters at a Catholic school. She would rather they attended that school where Christian values are valued then at the local athiest run public school.

      Generalizing about ALL Mormons will only get you in hot water. LDS people like everyone else come in all shapes, sizes, levels of knowledge and levels of devotion. All your rantings sound bitter. Did some cute Mormon girl tell you she wouldn’t date you because you were not a Mormon? There are lots of others out there who would date you even if you don’t belong.

      I would like to tell you to get over it… but, I know that some people enjoy wallowing in hate, so instead I will say, ENJOY!

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:27am

      You probably don’t want to hear this, but mormon girls seem to really like dating non-mormon boys. There is a running joke amongst non-mormon men in Salt Lake that I can’t repeat here.

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    • READRIGHTHERE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 11:26pm

      Now Hank has jokes!

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  • jdickiso
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:23pm

    I’m Mormon, and I don’t think it should be removed. But parents need to know what it is their students are learning and reading so they can correct things that are taught to their children. I read Ender’s Game in the seventh grade and that has some pretty offensive stuff too. My parents read the book with me and sat down to explain certain things to me. Parents just need to be involved.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:37pm

      When my now 27 year old sister-in-law was in high school, they would show movies that she knew her parents (adopted, and my in-laws) wouldn’t like, she would request to sit out in the hall. If a particular student finds a book offensive, they should have the right to do a substitute, but the school shouldn’t remove it from their list because it concentrates on a certain religion. That’s like taking away Huckleberry Finn.

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    • NightWriter
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:45pm

      Haven’t you heard? They rewrote Huck Finn – and took out all the ‘offensive’ words…

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  • Pete
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:19pm

    It might be hard to find a Latter day Saint that is offended by “A Study in Scarlet”. Don’t try and blame your book ban on us.

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    • Conservative Voice
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:23pm

      exactly….as a Latter Day Saint I am more offended that they are using my religion as a reason to ban the book

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    • Moon Goon
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:31pm

      I’m Mormon and I agree, blaming Mormons for this book ban is ridiculous.

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    • Coralchristie
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:46pm

      Ditto!

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:51pm

      forget sixth graders – Mormons are told not to read all kinds of books. Most mormons would NOT read a book by a Christian writer that talked about Christian ideas of God and Heave – simply because that contradicts most mormons ideas about God and Heaven.

      In my experience, Mormons are afraid of books that espouse traditional Christian values. And they sure won’t let their kids read it.

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    • BellaMia7
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:22pm

      Hank Christian author C.S. Lewis is revered and taught at Brigham Young University. He’s even quoted by church leaders in their talks. Hank, thanks for all these great opportunities to set the record straight.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:38pm

      @Bellamia,

      Great. Give your kids a copy of Grant Palmer’s book: an insider’s view of mormon origins.

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    • Mark Tripp
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:43pm

      Let me quote Hank here:

      “forget sixth graders – Mormons are told not to read all kinds of books. Most mormons would NOT read a book by a Christian writer that talked about Christian ideas of God and Heave – simply because that contradicts most mormons ideas about God and Heaven.

      In my experience, Mormons are afraid of books that espouse traditional Christian values. And they sure won’t let their kids read it.”

      Ready for yet another Judo lesson? Which group removed Glen Beck’s book “The Christmas Sweater” from its web site, because its members complained it was “written by a Mormon?”

      Which group just sent out an email to all of its members saying people should not listen to Glen Beck because he is a Mormon?

      Your projections aside, which one of us, you or I, hides behind a fake screen name and spews hate on these boards. My real name and picture are here for the world to see, and its easy to find me on Google.

      You sir, are nothing more than a coward and a bigot.

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    • bamadadof3
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:44pm

      Hankscram@

      It is obvious you hate Mormons my friend. I don’t know your story but I can guarantee you got your feelings hurt somehow by a “Mormon” and now you are trying to spread anti-mormon ideals. If anyone reads your post and knows a LDS member personally they can spot your hate a mile away. It is pathetic. Can you not find something better to do with your “Christian” time? How about going and trying to save the millions of non believers who hate all christians? Why do you find it productive to argue with a religion that believes that Christ is our savior and lives moral lives? Go work on those that don’t believe in Christ at all! I don‘t really care that My church doesn’t fit your definition of Christian. get over yourself and be a good Christian by saving those who don’t believe. Your motives are obvious my friend. But I guess if it makes you feel better about your “perfect church” whatever that may be then great. Carry on.
      For those that would really like to kn ow what we believe visit http://www.LDS.com anytime! We are happy to promote our beliefs.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:51pm

      I love mormons – the people. I do detest the mormon religion and any religion that follows a false prophet. In my opinion, the mormon religion is anti-Christian. Yes, I think a mormon’s salvation is at stake when they reject the Jesus of the bible and follow what the Book of Mormon claims about Jesus.

      Christians don’t worship the same Jesus mormons do. We don’t believe he is one of three Gods, etc. Does it make me anti-mormon to worship the Jesus of the bible? apparently so.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:00pm

      hank;

      “Give your kids a copy of Grant Palmer’s book: an insider’s view of mormon origins.”

      LOL, I showed you not too long ago that he’s a historical baffoon. He didn’t even distinguish Jacob in the Old Testament and Jacob in the Book of Mormon. Why would you promote his book. you claim to like scholarly works.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:18pm

      “Does it make me anti-mormon to worship the Jesus of the bible? ”

      Nope. Just like the Mormons, you should worship the Jesus of the Bible. what makes you anti-Mormon is that you hate mormonism and denounce it frequently. If I did that to any Christian denomination, then that would make me anti-(that Christian denomination).

      It’s kinda funny when you claim Mormons are intolerant of others when it is you who blatantly denounces mormonism. In fact, you **hate** what they teach. **Hating** other people’s religions is NOT part of Mormon doctrine or worship. Yes, we believe **God** told Joseph Smith all religions were an abomination; but that was left to God to say. From then on out the LDS Church’s position is that it is the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and that all are welcome to join it.

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    • ZengaPA65
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 12:53am

      What’s the similarity between Paul, Joe Smith and Mohammed? Wake up and stop defending stupid religions some crackpot made up as he went along.

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    • ConstitutionFreedomLover
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 9:07pm

      @hankscram…why are you so bent on lying about the Mormons? I read good Christian books. I’ve even gone to other churches with friends. But that just reiterates to me about my own religious views. STOP LYING. You’re only making yourself look bad.

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    • ConstitutionFreedomLover
      Posted on August 13, 2011 at 9:21pm

      @BAMADADOF3
      Clicking on the link that you gave…came up as something else. It is: http://lds.org/?lang=eng. or they could also go to: http://mormon.org/

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    • PJL
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:09pm

      Agree. But the bigger picture here is this Poor Mormon haters, have more than likely never read the book or will never read the, book this is all about heating nothing more.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:18pm

    but blow jobs, and anal sex is ok to teach in schools

    glad to see we have our priorities right

    Psychosis  
  • I Love Howie Carr
    Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:14pm

    Really? When I was in 6th grade, I was forced to read about 2 high school boys who were in love with each other, among other works of worthless “literature.” Offending half the population doesn’t matter, so why do mormons get a pass? This is what schools do, this is how they indoctrinate. Home school!

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  • let us prey
    Posted on August 13, 2011 at 8:19am

    Agreed

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