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Shock Video: Christian Pastor Preaches That the Government Should Kill Gays

Pastor Curtis Knapp: Government Should Kill Gays

Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas

Over the past few weeks, bizarre and distressing video and audio files purporting to show anti-gay sentiment in U.S. Christian churches have been emerging.

First, there was the story of a pastor who quipped about parents hitting boys who appear effeminate (he has since attempted to better frame his words). Then, there was Pastor Charles L. Worley, who touted putting gays and lesbians in an electric fence, where they would inevitably die off.

And who can forget the small child who is seen on video singing about how homosexuals won’t be entering heaven. Now, there’s yet another audio file emerging of a pastor claiming that the government should kill gays. While it seems almost unbelievable on the surface, the clip, which was published by GoodAsYou.org, showcases some shocking words coming from Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas.

(Related: Church Reportedly Gets Death Threats & Pastor in Hiding After Vid Shows Small Boy Singing Anti-Gay Song)

In the audio clip, a voice that is attributed to Knapp can be heard saying, in part:

“They should be put to death. That’s what happened in Israel. That‘s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversions. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet. Oh, so you’re saying that we should go out and start killing them? No, I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should.”

Listen to this portion of his sermon, below:

Knapp appeared on CNN (via the network’s KTKA affiliate this morning) to discuss the controversial March 27 sermon. Rather than backing down on his words, he defended them, claiming that they were Biblical in nature.

“We punish pedophilia. We punish incest. We punish polygamy and various things. It’s only homosexuality that is lifted out as an exemption,” he said, going on to say that gays shouldn’t have fear about his words. ”I don’t believe I should lay a finger against them. My hope is for their salvation, not for their death.”

Watch his CNN appearance, below:

In making his case, the preacher cited Leviticus 20:13, which reads, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act. They shall surely be put to death.”

It’s important to note that such sentiment is not a commonality in the majority of Christian churches. Nonetheless, the existence of such rhetoric continues to gain widespread coverage.

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  • DamocleAurelius
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:15am

    The pastor is wrong to cite the death penakty from the old testament for 2 reasons:

    1) the death penalty only applied to the House of Israel, which had signed a covenant in blood with Jehovah to heed his commandments, along with the punishments. Furthermore, death penalties only applied to unrepentant sinners.

    2) Physical death was used as a symbol of the spiritual death caused by sin. Under the new Law of Christ (spelled out in the New Testament), such symbols were no longer necessary, and done away with. (so no death penalty). Homosexual practice is still a sin under the new testsment, but we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. Personally I am not opposed to state laws banning public acts of homosexuality. Just slap them with a fine and a misdemeanor, like puble indecency or lewd and lasciviousness laws. The death penalty is a bit extreme.

    Then again, i think what we are seeing is a radicsl fring movement (the so-called LBGT community) trying to force churches to teach sometihng contrary to their conscience, and certain members being caught lashing out as a result.

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    • tljjjjcline
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:18am

      well said!

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:37am

      So how much of the OT do you declare only to be symoblic and how much of it do you desire to live by? For example is there any need for the 10 commandments under the New Covenant? Are God’s promise to OT Israel still relevant today especially given that the NT says that “The Church” is the Israel of God today.

      I don’t buy what you are selling really. Homosexuality is abosolutely sickening and disgusting. Our forefathers didn’t tolerate it one bit so why should we? You know why? Because most American whites are so damn cowardly they are so afraid they may offend someone when expressing the truth or stating facts. I’m sick of it! Call it what it is.. It’s filth and it should not be tolerated. King David had the homosexuals slaughtered because they were filthy they spread disease and God called it an abomination that two men should lay together.. .How dare some nasty homosexual try to demand a right to teach my child about oral sex or anal sex!!!

      Somebody‘s going to have to compromise their standards and it’s not going to be me. Quit treating this filth as if it was on the same scale as stretching the truth…

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    • jzs
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:48am

      DamocleAurelius says, “Just slap them with a fine and a misdemeanor, like puble indecency or lewd and lasciviousness laws.” Do you mean any public display of affection or just between same sex couples. Since the Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law, how exactly would that be legal?

      Also I notice you blame LGBT community for trying to “force” churches to adobt a position contrary to their beliefs. Exactly what is the nature of this “force” you claim they are using? Are they blackmailing churches or what? Picketing them? What are you talking about?

      And you’re blaming the words of pastors like this guy like this guy on the LGBT community? Seriously? What happened to personal responsibility?

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    • mdeputy7
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:02pm

      @TechEngineer,

      Please get off your pedestal. I completely agree that homosexuality is an out-and-out sin. BUT, when Jesus came, He changed the way sins are dealt with. He walked with those sinners. He ate with them. Then He told them to SIN NO MORE. But he NEVER had them killed. He NEVER had them tortured. For example….the woman caught in adultery. The LAW was that she was to be stoned. But Jesus stopped that stoning and told the crowd that the one who had never sinned could throw the first stone. It’s not that he was excusing her sin..but he WAS forgiving her of it. If we want to be like Christ, as we should, we cannot be condemning people to death because of their sins because if we are honest with ourselves, we TOO deserve death for our sins. No sin is worse than any other because a repentant heart and an acceptance of Christ wash us of everything equally. Stop with the hatred. Stop with the self-righteous indignation. Don’t tolerate the sin, but pray for and edify the sinner.

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    • mdeputy7
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:07pm

      @JZS,

      This is probably the only time you will ever see this from me, but I actually agree with most of your post. Although I personally don’t disagree with the idea of punishing homosexuality because the pastor is right…if the government is going to punish incest, why can’t it punish homosexuality? They are both against the natural order of things. I mean, other than through the discussion of it in the Bible, what is wrong with incest?

      But, I completely agree with you about personal responsibility. We cannot ask it of others if we are not willing to put it on our own. He made some stupid comments, and we have to hold him to that.

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:10pm

      @DAMOCLEAURELIUS:
      “The death penalty is a bit extreme,” you said.
      So, maybe it would be OK simply to “disable” (shorten, cut off, etc.) the limb, which they pretend to be homosexuals with? Or use the Putin’s method: to hang by their balls?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Techengineer11

      If the church is Israel than why does Paul say we do not have to follow Levitical law?

      Maybe your theology is wrong? Maybe there is something to dispensationalism? Especially if believing the church is separate from Israel makes better sense of Scripture.

      In any case, I do not know a single Christian, or Jew for that matter, that follows Levitical law, which is simply a mirror to show us that we cannot possibly live up to God’s standards. So where does that leave you?

      Of course systematic theology is always a game of interpretation. I try to let Scripture dictate my theology rather than let my theology force my interpretation of Scripture.

      BTW, what ever happened to that Ron Paul dude you were worshiping? Lol…

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:14pm

      I am sure Jesus would not recognize this “pastor” as one of his own. This is not Christianity. He might as well join the Westboro heretics

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    • Stevedc
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:20pm

      Amen, well put.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:27pm

      Constantine Ivanov

      We need to separate from the LGBT community. They are a disease. Children of LGBT couples are more likely to be LGBT.

      After separation If it is in the genes than we could test for it & abort therm. After all Planned Parenthood says it is okay to abort a healthy kids for having the wrong sex. If it is not the genes then it is a destructive meme, which calls for counseling by a real psychologists.

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    • YellowFin
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:29pm

      techengineer11,

      I understand your righteous indignation over this matter.

      Remember how our Almighty God dealt with the homosexual invested cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?

      He will take care of the matter in His due time. Until then I support and understand your distress.

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:58pm

      HIDDEN LION, can’t agree more. This man is not a Christian or he wouldn’t say such trash. If this man understands, we ALL sin and come short of the Glory. That means overeating is a sin as well as using the Lord’s name in vain. It‘s all sin if we don’t live a life outlined in the bible. Well, alert…. we all do sin one way or another, and God considers sin is sin, not different degrees of sin.
      If I had to condemn anything, it would be the abortion thingie, murdering innocent lives. In fact, I do believe Jesus made a remark about HIS little children.

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    • jzs
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:01pm

      mdeputy7, you are confusing morality and the law. A lot of people do though. It’s not a crime to kill someone in the US because of the Ten Commandments, it’s a crime because murderer is depriving the victim of his rights under the Constitution and the law.

      We don’t want our government in the business of enforcing religious morality. That’s what they do in Iran.

      But to your point about punishing homosexuality, that opens a big Iranian style can of worms. Fornication is immoral according to the Bible as well as, I believe as getting divorced, marrying a divorced person (which I believe is adultery) and so on. To my knowledge the Bible doesn’t say those are lesser sins than homosexual acts. So you’d punish those too? Actually there are probably ten times as many fornicators as homosexuals, why not start punishing them first, then worry about homosexuality? What should the punishment be for having sex outside marriage? A little jail time or a fine? What about the second offense?

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:22pm

      The “Pastor” is NOT a true Christian, but a disciple of HIS father the devil! A wolf in sheep’s clothing as Christ HIMSELF described in Matthew. There will be MANY,MANY more, saying they speak in the name of Christ. Christ says we will know THEM by their works! I, therefore KNOW who he really represents! Christ came for HIS people FIRST-THE JEWS. Most rejected HIm as their Messiah, and we are grafted in to the TREE. He will return to deal with His chosen people, and bring many to repentance and belief, in HIM. In the MEANTIME, our LORD wishes ALL to come to REPENTANCE and belief. We should be PRAYING for our homosexual,and lesbian BROTHERS and SISTERS to discover the LOVE, and forgiveness in HIM, and not codemn them, unless we are FREE of sin, in our lives .Anyone that says they ARE sinless, are LIARS, and the TRUTH is not in them, to quote our LORD!
      Maranatha

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:26pm

      @Techengineer
      “Somebody‘s going to have to compromise their standards and it’s not going to be me. ”
      Well stated and I completely agree.

      Seems there are plenty of christians here ready and willing to compromise the standards of god. One person wrote that we all sin just like gay people. So in there estimation god won’t mind as long as we pray for them. My question is how far are gays going to be aloud to take there sin. Obviously they have no problem with them bringing their gay lifestyle to the church. Then what??? You sit there and pray for their sin as they take vows of HOLY matrimony in a house of God???

      Who is making the compromise here? Not gays…

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:32pm

      “you are confusing morality and the law. A lot of people do though. It’s not a crime to kill someone in the US because of the Ten Commandments, it’s a crime because murderer is depriving the victim of his rights under the Constitution and the law. ”

      And we put that into the Constitution because it was part of morality for the last 2,500 years. The morality came 1st & then the law based on those morals.

      In some places it is absolutely okay to kill someone just because.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:34pm

      JZS

      Well, you’ve restored a bit of my faith in you. Great posts that actually show a working mind behind them. Well done.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:07pm

      The bible warns us to beware of false prophet during the end of days. While churches should not embrace homosexuality it should not enbrace hatred as well. It is totally possible to condemn the sin and feel sympathy for the sinner. No different than feeling sorry for an addict.

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    • mdeputy7
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:13pm

      JZS,

      I appreciate your response. I will say, you still never addressed the difference between incest and homosexuality when it comes to law. Aside from that however, I submit for consideration that our laws are ALREADY based on religious morality (namely the Bible). Up until recently, all our laws were quite Biblical. The reason for this is that morality without religion is cultural…it’s changing. Human morality is based on what we feel at the time is moral. But Biblical morality is constant.

      But, I’m not advocating punishment on things that are immoral. I’m just saying that it is unnatural. And if we are going to punish incest, we should also punish homosexuality.

      I completely agree with you that marriage after a divorce is still adultery. The Bible does state that straight out, but Christians are afraid to admit that. Sidebar – I only hold those that were Christians before the divorce accountable to this because, to me, I cannot judge anybody who is not a Christian. After someone accepts Christ, they are washed clean of anything before. That is the point that I believe a person becomes truly accountable to God and other Christians.

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    • Zod Cranards
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:17pm

      You are wrong, The preacher is correct. Read Romans 13.

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:49pm

      @mdeputy7. Great post.

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    • mdeputy7
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:02pm

      @zod,

      Come on man. That doesn’t support your claim at all. I just read through it. All it does is say that we should do what is right so as to avoid punishment from those in authority and so as to keep our conscience clear. It never advocates killing those who sin. Once again, if you believe that, you hold yourself higher than those because you don’t do THAT sin. But I promise you that you definitely sin, and you are just as accountable to death for your actions as any homosexual is. The defining thing that changes all this is repentance…..i.e. turning from the sin you are committing and submitting yourself to God. But those who don’t…whether it be committing homosexual acts, murdering people, or simply holding hatred toward ANYBODY else…..they are in a heap of trouble.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:18pm

      Mister Kit Walkabout has been drinking again, and thinks the Americans need to be taught a lesson. He forgets we have a Republic and do not worship a Queen, and we do not get fined for not voting.

      Off you go, mate, good joey!

      Think about being a POW-MIA family member for 5 seconds

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    • Merovingia
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:50pm

      100% agree. We live in the dispensation of grace. The 613 Mitzvot (Mosaic Law) had a purpose (Gal 3): “What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.” The Law’s intent was to teach humanity they were sinful, so when grace was given, man would be attracted to grace. Nobody was ever saved under the Law. The Law was a national contract with Israel (Deut 28-30), blessing was contigent on obedience. Already posted a long post (in the kid singing about homos not going to heaven), but to summarize: an unbeliever’s sin does not prevent them from receiving salvation (1 John 2:2), their only problem is they lack life (John 5:24). By making the unbeliever’s sin the issue, he alienates unbelievers from the gift of God.

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:47pm

      @DAMOCLEAURELIUS – Fascinating, you might find the following verses interesting, the majority of these pertain to the New Covenant. God Bless.
      Numbers 15:30
      Job 34:11
      Psalm 34:9
      Psalm 66:18
      Proverbs 10:3
      Proverbs 10:29
      Proverbs 15:8
      Proverbs 15:29
      Proverbs 28:9
      Ecclesiastes 12:14
      Isaiah 57:2
      Jer 11:6
      Ezekiel 33:13
      Mal 1:11
      Matt 7:21
      Matt 12:36-37
      Matt 12:50
      Matt16:24
      Matt 16:27
      Matt 25:40-46
      Mark 3:35
      Mark 4:24
      Mark 7:15
      Mark 8:34-35
      Mark 9:42-50
      Mark 10:11-12
      Mark 10:29
      Mark 11:25
      Mark 13:16
      Mark 13:36
      Luke 9:23
      Luke 14:27
      Luke 18:9-14
      Luke 18:29-30
      John 6:66
      John 8:51
      John 9:31
      John 12:48
      John 12:50
      John 13:17
      John 14:15
      John 14:21
      John 14:23
      John 15:10
      Acts 10:34-35
      Rom 2:6
      Rom 2:7-8
      Rom 2:9
      Rom 2:13
      Rom 14:12
      1 Cor 6:9
      1 Cor 10:13
      1 Cor 11:27
      2 Cor 5:10
      Gal 5:19-21
      Gal 5:24-25
      Gal 6:7-8
      Eph 1:18
      Eph 2:1-3
      Eph 4:17-24
      Eph 5:3-12
      Philippians 2:12
      Col 3:5-8
      Col 3:23-25
      2 Thes1:8
      2 Thes 2:11
      2 Thes 2:13-15
      2 Thes 3:6
      1 Tim 3:15
      Heb 5:9
      Heb 6:4-6
      Heb 6:10-12
      Heb 10:26
      James 1:12-15
      James 1:21-22
      James 1:26-27
      James 2:14-27
      James 4:3
      James 4:6-9
      James 4:17
      James 5:16
      1 Peter 3:12
      1 Peter 3:21
      1 Peter 4:17
      2 Peter 2:20
      2 Peter 3:7
      2 Peter 3:16-17
      1 John 5:3
      1 John 5:16
      1 John 1:5-7
      1John 2:3
      1 John 2:4
      1 John 4:18-21
      2 John 1:6
      3 John 1:4
      3 John 1:11
      Rev 2:7
      Rev 14:13
      Rev 20:13

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:53pm

      @MDEPUTY7 – You wrote “No sin is worse than any other” Who told you that all sin is the same? actually Gods holy word tells us that there is sin that leads to death and sin that does not lead to death.

      1 John 5:16 – if anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:23pm

      The pastor sounds like a Muslim Imam.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:57pm

      I agree with what you said so well. I tend to believe that with HIV/AIDS that Scripture is proven true.As a former Medic I recall the effort that has gone into providing political protection for a communicable disease-and the political pressure put upon the Medical field to provide some way to allow the sin to continue without consequence.

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    • db321
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:22pm

      First of all the Pastor was reading from NIV Bible and not the King James Version – the King James Bible is the announced Word of God. I can remember any few words of a verse from the King James Bible – Google it and the passage will come up – Try it with any other version – it wont work.

      The KJ states that it is an abomination – not death! God will issue the punishment.

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    • jzs
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:30pm

      mdeputy7 I appreciate your post and it’s a good one. Your question of why government can make laws forbidding incest is challenging: why can the government make laws prohibiting marriage between close relatives? This is a question you might get in college philosophy class.

      I’d challenge many of your assertions. You say, “…our laws are ALREADY based on religious morality…” I’d say what laws? Traffic laws? Contract law? Laws about polluting the environment? Laws about attending school? What laws are based on the Bible?

      You say, “Up until recently, all our laws were quite Biblical.” I say, what laws? Laws that prevented women from voting, laws that prevented blacks from entering a white establishment or drinking at a whites only water fountain, laws that prevented people of different races from getting married? Those laws? Those laws were passed and held partly on the basis of the Christian religion, please don‘t pretend they weren’t. Biblical morality not “constant” as you claim. It’s subject to the interpretation of the people who live in the a given era – history proves that.

      mdeputy7, I have no doubt you are a good person and a good Christian and somebody who is improving the life of those lives of those who live in your sphere of influence. I appreciate that.

      As for the government prohibiting incest? There are sound, scientific reasons for that, known for a thousand years at least, and they aren’t found in the Bible.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 1:16am

      @JZS

      I agree with you (again).

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    • LesbianNaziHookerFromSpace
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:45pm

      > “we are to love the sinner and hate the sin”

      Fair enough. I like to say that I love the believer and hate the belief.

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  • tljjjjcline
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:02am

    This is the problem with America, She has religion that will send most to Hell. What she needs is a loving relationship with God. They have forgotten that they should hate the sin but love the people. This is why I no longer attend American churches, they have long since forgotten the truth and now preach judgement and hate. They give Christians a bad name and we are all lumped in with these hirelings. Most churches are not about the widow orphan and the poor they are about control and power over other people. These so called pastors are really nothing more than puppeteers extracting the wealth of the church for there own gain. You don;t believe it, then tell me why 98% of all tithes are for administrative costs instead of feeding the poor and the needy. I am sure there are some well intending pastors out there but if we are doing Gods work why is America falling so rapidly and why is the church so impotent to do anything about it. THE TRUTH IS WHAT SETS PEOPLE FREE, Not feel good stories and platitudes that keep people feeling all is well. The stories that keep the offering plates full. If you pastors really were speaking the truth your church would probably be empty because your people have been deceived so long they can’t hear the truth.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:18pm

      It is a result of heresy, compounded by more heresy. The further you get from the source the more distorted the message. It all started will some small, seemingly insignificant changes made by the Roman Catholic church and it has since snowballed into the protestant mess we see today. That is how Satan takes over…Just like communists..Rot from the inside to bring about the collapse.

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    • preacher42
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:08pm

      If that is the case, then I ask you what church do you do to, if not American Churches. If you are a true Christian, you wouldn’t do that, you would be like Jesus and try to help them realize where they are wrong and not leave. Leaving just shows that you don’t care. I pray that God will show you the right way to go and that is to help people not hurt them. By leaving, you robbed them of your knowledge and love of Jesus. I would tell you to go back and help change that church into a Christian Church. Don‘t tell me that you are one person and won’t make a difference, that is “bunk.” One person can make a change. You won’t know unless you try, with God’s help.

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:09pm

      TL
      All American churches aren’t like that. There are plenty that teach God’s love and forgiveness. What the church (not meaning a building) needs to refocus on is spreading that message. Peoples hearts will not be turned toward God with messages like this. It’s absolutely absurd to think that going to an unbeliever and saying “If you don’t believe this way God hates you and your going to hell” is going to have any other kind of reaction other than a negative one. If you go to a church that is teaching from the old testament instead of learning from it you’ve completely ignored what Christ said in the new testament. He came not to abolish the old testament but to confirm and renew it. His message was no longer one condemnation and laws but of love and forgiveness. Get to a church that preaches the Gospel according Christ.

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:16pm

      TL
      Check out churchofthehighlands.com and pull up some of our old audio files and see how my church is making a difference not only in our community and state but internationally. And were not the only ones. I’d really like you to listen to our Points of Passion messages (Media : Message Archives : Page 3) detailing how all of our tithes and offerings as a church is spent. You can see where our heart as a church is.

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  • In That Day
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:59am

    I congratulate The Blaze for publicizing bizarre pastors throughout America that are caught with their mentality pants down, exposed as being fundamentally flawed.

    What is making this pattern?

    Answer: Modern Churchianity in last century slid into doctrines of a) greed (give-to-get prosperity shenanigans), b) fear (rapture creates fear and creates small-brains in its believers tied to dystopian illogic) and c) laziness (i.e. you are eternally secure if you believe the gov’t. should kill gays.)

    Modern Churchianity lost its mind by subsuming itself to HORRID and RETCHED doctrines of a) greed, b) fear and c) laziness. Over time, it creates pastors who say that gays should be kilt.

    In That Day Teachings cogently explains all this and what the answers might be.

    One answer is to understand the American Mind of our Founders who believed…

    1) There is one God above us all…. and,
    2) There is one universal philosophy, Western Civil Society (with dedication to self-correction)

    Modern Churchianity loves #1, and LOATHES #2, because the West is dedicated to exposing leaders who are not angels.

    Modern Churchianity says its leaders ARE angels, and can‘t believe God’s kingdom plan are the protocols of the West.

    The protocols of the West are to expunge self-dealings from leaders, to keep leaders humble, to keep leaders from being tyrants.

    Modern Churchianity is dedicated to making rubes bow to its tyrants.

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:56am

    Rocco Luka Magnotta – gay porn actor
    Anders Breivik – metrosexual

    Seeing a pattern here.

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    • saranda
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:21am

      You do know what a “metrosexual” is? Don’t you? Has nothing to do with this conversation and in fact has nothing to do with any sexual conversation.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:23pm

      saranda

      Just reading the news & connecting the dots. I don’t agree with this pastor, but the more i read about gays the less I like. Children of LGBT couples are much more likely to become LGBT. I say give them California & be done with them.

      His friends feared he was gay.
      “Anders Behring Breivik a self-styled ‘metrosexual’ who used David Beckham as example ”

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9298279/Anders-Behring-Breivik-a-self-styled-metrosexual-who-used-David-Beckham-as-example.html

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    • SoNick
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:55am

      One person does not a pattern make. No wonder you are so anti-science, you don’t understand the first thing about it. Let’s play your game: Ted Bundy was breast fed by his mother. Ted Bundy was born in the US. Therefore, all american children who were breast fed are serial killers! Flawless logic!

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:55am

    FlamingFartSyndrome
    encinom

    Of course you guys are good with School Czar Jennings & Harry Hay

    “”So I’m about twelve years old and I swim very well at this point…I don’t go into the kids’ pool, I go in the big pool. And I had this experience probably five or six times. Some man comes up to me, wants me to see how long he can stay underwater. And it’s important for me to understand just how long he stays underwater. He’s going to go way down to the other end of the pool and he’s going to come up between my legs and he’s going to come out the other end. So he goes down to the other side, he swims through my legs, and he [does?] my {edited for content} out of my bathing suit and he caresses it a couple of times and comes out the other end” Harry Hay

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  • Constantine Ivanov
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:51am

    I assume the pastor’s thought was this: “Iranians hang homosexuals, why can’t we?”

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:44am

    Me thinks you have some doubts ?

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  • Bobby D
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:44am

    It is O.K. he is a moslem. They do this in their cultligion!

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  • encinom
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:44am

    Westboro seems to be the rule within Christianity, not the exception. They are the uncle whose rants and ramblings you agree with, only their tone embrasses you. No Christian can point to the evils of islam when their own house is a den of hate and bigotry.

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    • ScoobyCheese
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:51am

      Wow. That is one of the most uneducated statements I’ve seen on this site… …and that’s saying something.

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    • Southpaw
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:57am

      This is not Christianity. We need to denounce anything like this, including ANYTHING Westboro is doing, every time it happens. You are right that we should not complain about the like of outcry from Islam when their “radicals” do evil then fail to say anything when “Christians” say or do evil. There you go. I denounced it.

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:04am

      Agree.

      You read any religious text literally and it’s full of hatred, bigotry, and violence. Christians just make the case that you have to “understand” the text, not just “read” it.

      Well guess what 99% of Muslims say about their text? The violent and evil ones are the 1% that take it literally – same with the 1% of Christians. But to the 99% of Christians these 1% are not “real” Christians. Well guess what the the 99% of Muslims say about their 1%?

      Moral of the story, religion is obsolete and misleading. Judge a man by his character and forget what he calls himself.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:11am

      So what’s your alternative Enicom? You spend every single day here mocking, ridiculing, hating and generally acting like an arrogant blowhard to anybody that doesn’t agree with you. If you have an alternative, you surely haven’t shared it by example.

      Until you can provide something better, you will be summarily ignored.

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    • KeystoneState
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:22am

      ENCINOM is a Toilet Bug. It would come up with some perverted nasty and provocative argument against a ball being round, that’s the only way it can get its rocks off since no other humans will go near it.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:26am

      That’s why there are millions of Christians in the street chanting “death to gays”, right Eman? Westboro is a tiny church and most these other bizarre sects are as well. It’s not mainstream Christianity by any stretch of the imagination.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:35am

      Are you ok today ENCINOM/MONCNE/SLEAZY HIPPO? You really beleive kooks like Westboro are mainstream christian thought? Funny…I haven’t seen Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Presbyterians or Lutherans for example at military funerals with signs and cheers saying the dead serviceman deserved it. But it appears you have…would you please provide the footage? There’s a good lefty cur.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:34pm

      The funny part about encinom is it still manages to get so many responses from people. That is why it continues trolling. Why bother trying to rationalize with someone who is irrational? Might as well argue with a 3 year old, it is about the same thing.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:28pm

      ENCINOM,

      The folks from Westboro that are registered, are registered as democrats. Were you aware of that one?

      Being in the military, I move a good bit, and attend a myriad of Baptist Churches across the country. I have yet to attend a church that gives so much as an ounce of credibility to Westboro.

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:43am

    Is this Billy again?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:19am

      Of course…

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:54pm

      Here is the thing about The Blaze continuing to highlight stories about gays, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Mahr and other stories from the extreme. Where is the line between publicizing, calling attention to, and even warning about these subjects and giving these issues a soapbox?

      This story is the best example. By continuing to publish “supposed” Christian pastors ranting about gays you are giving Christianity a black eye. You are opening the door for trolls like encinom to trash the Body of Christ by the actions of a few ignorant bigots.

      Let me use Billy Hallowell’s own words here:

      “Important we highlight & disparage anti-gay rants in churches. Vast majority of pastors would never use that language. Keep that in mind….[next tweet]…These pastors are giving Christianity bad name. They’re a minority but media may make them look like a majority.”

      But Billy…YOU ARE the media making these folks look like the majority! I give you credit for your closing sentiment in this article:

      “It’s important to note that such sentiment is not a commonality in the majority of Christian churches. Nonetheless, the existence of such rhetoric continues to gain widespread coverage.”

      But I have to wonder if you are informing or causing damage yourself.

      Maybe it is best to expose these bigots and see good Christians denounce them. I just hope us Christians will remember what WE represent when doing this.

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  • FlamingFartSyndrome
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:40am

    Ahhh religion…

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    • wvernon1981
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:42am

      Religion. Making bigots since 33 AD.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:50am

      Humans. Making bad choices since 4000 BC

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:55am

      Yes Wyver, because there was no religion prior to 33 AD.

      If you’re going to try and make a zinger, try and make it a bit more interesting and, well…frankly…educated.

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    • hi
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:57am

      I denounce the false prophet.

      But your guy ate someone’s face off…ahh liberalism.

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    • ScoobyCheese
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:58am

      FLAMING, to advocate the absence of religion (which in fairness, you have not done) is to advocate a religious belief. We are all religious (have a set of beliefs that we live by). The arguments come when deciding what truth is. I just think it is important to make that distinction.

      WVERNON, your statement makes you sound bigoted against religion. (pot? kettle?)

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:37am

    Pastor I say this as one to another:

    The commandment reads “You shall not murder.” While homosexuality is a sin in and of itself, in the end to call for the death of the sinner is to be judging the person and not their deeds. ONLY GOD is the final and true source of judgement and justice, HE will determine their fates, for good or bad, in the end according to HIS impartiality.

    God is not a respector of men, He judges ALL by the same law and standards; and in judging the sinner, instead of calling attention to the sin, you are placing yourself in the stead of God himself.

    Pastor, your very deed speaks for itself.

    Lord Jesus declared “by their fruits you shall know them.”

    The actions show that the Pastor Knapp in his calling for the murder of gays by the government is wrong across the board.

    Again, homosexuality is a moral sin that I cannot condone the act of; so is the call for murder of a fellow human being. So it is the calling of Knapp for the commitment of murder I condemn.

    Turn back and reconsider your way and path Pastor, while the call for mercy is still presented to you.

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    • MicahJank
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:52am

      Thank you for being sane….these so called Christian pastors really make me sick sometimes.
      Wishing death on someone even if not by your own hand is just as bad. How these people get into a pastoral position is beyond me.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:23am

      @Micah: How do they get into such positions? In one regard simple, they have the same genuine calling all Christians do from God who enter the pastorage. What changes is that in their walk and stewardship, their outlook moves away from God and unto themselves.

      Literally they trade the passion for God for the glory of the world.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:39am

      Murder is killing the innocent?

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  • brntout
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:36am

    @ GONZO So right ,Happy ,Happy,Happy, all the time. What a distraction it has become. Yet another distraction,again.

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:36am

    People who are part of the body of Christ, “judgement start first at the house of God and at us”. We are not to judge outside the body but any man that calls himself a brother who is a fornicator or a drunkard or an extortioner or effeminate or a reviler etc, don’t even sit down and eat with that person. The body of Christ judges within the body, we are not to judge outside the body but “admonish and warn those who sin”

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:40am

      Judgment will commence with those of the House of God; the pastors are charged with much for their flocks caretaking and the example we are to be to the world about us. For those entrusted with much, so it will be more will be required of them, for good or bad, unto the day of judgment for all of us.

      May the truth come into the pastors heart and he changes his ways. Only God knows when the final line of no return is crossed for each of us.

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  • NineteenEighty4
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:35am

    Finally someone not hiding behind the “hate the sin, not the sinner” spiel. These are people of God? So moral. So loving.

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    • ozchambers
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:02am

      I‘m Christian and I don’t believe in this viewpoint and this kind of behavior. I believe homosexuality is a sin, but the list of sins is long and spares no person. It’s really sad that the name of his church is “New Hope Baptist”. There’s no hope without grace. It’s a good thing God is the dispenser of eternal grace and not this pastor.

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  • brntout
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:34am

    The guy is a full blown idiot.Live and let die.Their choice in life is theirs and theirs alone.I hold no animosity to their life-style unless they try to impose it on mine in which time “Gayme On”.

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  • NVIIIX1
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:34am

    Well said.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:33am

    I’m constantly amazed that semi-educated Westerners living in the freest country in the world still hold in high regard the babblings and superstitions of Bronze Age con-artists.

    We don’t need to fear Sharia taking over America.

    We need to fear Leviticus and Deuteronomy being taken seriously by these heathen Christians who are also stuck in the 13th Century and want to govern the nation based on these immoral, unethical and EVIL texts.

    Bring on the lions!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41am

      I‘m not certain advocating killing people for their beliefs that you don’t believe in is in any way better than advocating killing people for having a different sexual preference than others.

      Explain to me the difference please? I normally agree with your posts, by and large, but “bring on the lions” defeats your entire post.

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41am

      I thought Christianity was a religion of love and peace?

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:46am

      Encinom

      No, that is Islam

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:47am

      Just a progressive in christian clothing…instead of “kill the Jews”, it’s now “Kill the Gays”. The [LIGHT] will bleach-them-out for us. Just get popcorn,sit back. and watch them eat each-other.

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    • hi
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:48am

      Encinom

      If you read the posts you see Christians are denouncing this man and calling him a false prophet. Whereas, when a Muslim does something wrong, all you hear are crickets.

      Jesus=Love

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:53am

      rangerp
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:46am
      Encinom

      No, that is Islam
      ______________________
      Given the hate filled sermons recently posted on the Blaze, there appears to be little difference between the two. Christians seem to be as hate filled.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:00am

      MrButcher

      “I’m constantly amazed that semi-educated Westerners living in the freest country in the world still hold in high regard the babblings and superstitions of Bronze Age con-artists.”

      It seems as though the Israelite purity laws kept the ancient Israelites alive.

      They did not have anti-retroviral drugs to manage AIDS.

      They couldn’t be like ACT-UP & protest the drug companies or the government to hurry up & please invent drugs to save the gay community from itself.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:02am

      MrButcher
      Who were the neighbors of the Israelites?

      Some of them were tribes that practiced temple prostitution.

      Is that what you wan to go back to?

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:31pm

      ENCINOM

      thats funny, I just googled baptist honor killings, and could not find any. Found a whole slew of muslim ones though.

      The good muslims claim to hate homosexuality also, but we know better. Thus the reason they have man love thursday. that is the day Allah sleeps, and the good muslims of south Afghanistan rape the little boys.

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    • Copo
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:08pm

      We should take Leviticus and Deuteronomy completely seriously, in their entire context, including the part that says these are the laws for the people of Israel (that‘s in Exodus but what book it’s in isn’t important). These laws were for the unfulfilled times to keep sin from spreading throughout the house of Israel so that they could stay at lease holy enough for the Messiah to come through them and die for our sins thus taking away the need for these laws, as they were never about judgement of the sinner (for more than 1000 years people unfortunately took it that way and became self righteous). We as people need to follow the laws for the fulfilled age that are put forth for all man. In terms of government we need to follow the civil laws set forth by the Bible (no murder, rape, theft, ect.).

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:58pm

      “bring on the lions” was meant to be allegorical and, dare i suggest, prophetic..

      Christianity is a religion that relishes conflict and persecution, much like Islam, much like all of humanity.
      ————

      “The War on Religion” is a lie.

      The War on Freedom is very real.

      So, seriously, bring on the lions!

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:30am

    With the exception of killing, this guy is just being consistent. It seems conservative christians think the government should make certain sins illegal….Things like prostitution, drugs, and abortion. So if the government wont allow gays to get married – wouldnt it make more sense to not allow people to be gay?

    I’m trying to understand why one sin is illegal and the other is not….

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    • hi
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:45am

      The way our country is becoming more and more liberal like Europe, prostitution and drugs will be legal soon. Actually, pot is already!

      A woman in Europe was out of work. She went to the unemployment line to receive funds. They asked her if she had tried prostitution. That is pretty sick to me. Prostitution is not freedom, but enslavement. Whereas liberals call it a career.

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  • DeavonReye
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:29am

    Biblically, people WERE killed for homosexuality. . . . as were witches, unruly kids, those who worked on the sabbath, anyone who went into “the holy of holies” or touched “the ark of the covenant”, . . . etc.

    Doesn’t make it right, . . . . nor those who believe such primative mindsets are still relevant in 2012.

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  • hi
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:27am

    Beware of false prophets. We are all sinners and in need of God’s grace.

    I am a Christian and reject what this false pastor preaches. Jesus is all about loving one another. We don’t condone sin. But, we love the sinner.

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  • AzSage
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:26am

    Idiots. Unfortunate by-product of free speech. Live and let live man.

    It’s not up to us to judge, that responsibility is reserved for God.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:36am

      That’s my opinion as well. Freedom of speech allows us to expose these kinds of idiots to public ridicule, thus inoculating society as a whole against their barbarism. If folks like this are banned from speaking, their viewpoint gains a certain kind of underground credibility (historically this has usually happened).

      Let the morons jabber as they will, their lunacy in the light of day helps guide us away from them.

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  • Nevermind
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:24am

    I guess he has never seen the gay pride parade in Tel Aviv? They have a huge homosexual population there.

    As Ghandi said ” i like your Christ, i dont like your Christians . They are nothing like their Christ”

    This guy is sick.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:36am

      He was probably thinking of ancient Israel. He surely doesn’t know much about modern Israel except what he may have seen on some church-sponsored tour, which would not have exposed him to the gay scene there!

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:23am

    I think scripture most likely is referring to spiritual death. Maybe he should consider becoming a muslim for they advocate killing guys. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

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  • Locked
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:19am

    Yeah, see, now THAT I condemn as a Christian. Calling for the death of people whose actions don’t affect you at all personally? Barbaric. I hope he turns back to Christ soon.

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:29am

      This is so disturbing. This man is NOT a Christian, otherwise he could not have made such statements. This is flaming the fuels for the dems to eliminate Christians. I have to wonder if these incidents are set up purposely to destroy support for Christians and eliminate our rights to whorship. It seems odd to me the timing plays right into the hands of the progressives I know of no Christians who would agree with this. I do not beleive these stories are real.

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    • MountainJac
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:31am

      and of course the MSM is going to go crazy with these stories to try to paint all people who think that homosexuality is not healthy for society, as being a fanatic who wants an extremist government to kill gay people. Good Job Pastor whats your face, why don’t you move to Iran where you can worship the god who does condone killing people for their earthly sins, as dictated by the government of course.

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