Crime

Shock Video: Gunmen Open Fire on Public Bus in Philadelphia

The video from a violent gun attack in Philadelphia last month has just been releases. And it’s shocking.

According to prosecutors, two gunmen unleashed a hail of bullets into a city bus after a female passenger had a minor spat with a stranger. A hail of bullets ripped through the bus, creating havoc among passengers, but amazingly nobody was injured.

WNYW-TV reported the sequence of events as described by Philadelphia prosecutors. Penny Chapman, shown in the video, spanked her child for misbehaving on the bus. A bystander expressed disapproval and threatened to call the police for child abuse. That’s when things turned ugly.

Chapman allegedly made a phone call to a group of individuals, who met the bus at the next stop. One of those individuals, apparently the child’s uncle, held the rear door of the bus open to allow Chapman and her son off — and then the gunmen took their positions.

Two men, one with a pistol, the other with an assault rifle, fired off 5 rounds through the windows and several more at other targets.

Despite wild gunfire, miraculously nobody was hurt, as the bus driver hit the gas and everyone on board escaped.

Watch the startling broad daylight shooting yourself below:

But the most incredible part? Now Philadelphia defense attorneys are claiming that since nobody was hurt, no assault took place.

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  • V-MAN MACE
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:29pm

    Protect the 2nd Amendment by exercizing it…against criminals and Tyranny.

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  • TulsaYeeHaw
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:29pm

    Not trying to be that guy, but when someone whips their kids’ @$$, commend them or mind your business.
    That said, we are FACING CIVIL WAR!!!!

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    • Jediusetheforce
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:49pm

      The problem is we haven’t been in a fight on our own turf and people are more concerned about their own families than this country. We live to comfortable unlike the rough and tough days of the past and people will not try until it is to late.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:55pm

      Philadelphia defense attorneys are claiming that since nobody was hurt, no assault took place. Then these people are Terrorist, Treat them that way.

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    • Desert Dog
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:17pm

      TULSAYEEHAW: I think we are already there……Check out the Milwaukee news.

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    • I Love Howie Carr
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:09pm

      mmmm I kind of agree, mind your own damn business. At least she wasn’t letting the kid run wild like most parents these days. Whoever opened their big mouth is lucky they didn’t get hurt. You don’t go calling the cops or CPS on people for spanking. But look at the video, look who it is. That’s a typical overreaction by those sort of people.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:13pm

      @JEDIUSETHEFORCE

      Remember all the western movies where the outlaws come to town and intimidate everyone. Didn’t happen. Following the Civil War a majority of people living in the west were veterans with guns. Just look at the James/Younger gang bank robbery in Northfield, MN. Didn’t end well.

      There a easily over 1 million veterans now and I bet a lot have firearms. All have been taught how to survive and excel in combat. We may be old, not fast, not too athletic but we do know fields of fire.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:29pm

      Dismayed Veteran: I don’t doubt your capabilities but I simply question do you know your enemy? Once can’t fight until they have defined the enemy.

      techengineer11  
    • rubbedlung
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Who is the enemy?

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    • JimCDew
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:58pm

      @TECHENGINEER – I don’t have to identify my enemies, they identify themselves by their words and actions. When someone threatens by word or deed they are my enemy. If they raise a weapon they are not my enemy, they are my target.

      Advanced infantry trainIng teaches that any weapon pointed at you is a target SO SHOOT!!! If it is pointed at your buddies SHOOT!!! If it is pointed down at the ground SHOOT!!! If it is raised with a white cloth DON”T SHOOT BUT KEEP THEM IN YOUR SIGHTS AND YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER!!!

      AIRBORNE!!!

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:39pm

      rubbedlung: I’ve identified the enemy of Western Civ many times on the Blaze. Many disagree with me and many more hate me for identifiying the enemy so if I’m wrong then just who is the enemy? Is it the Progressives as Mr.Beck would have you believe? To me that implies that they are losely organized and are really not all marching to the same beat. I believe our enemy is highly organized and they are carrying out well understood and proven plans.

      Good question though considering what has happened to this once great nation.. We all need to know who’s behind our demise.

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    • Middle Finger
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Pass the ammo.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:05pm

      Dismayed Vet,

      Here in Texas we addressed the Old Guys Syndrome way back when. The Young Bucks will have to comprise our Infantry Units, while we “The Old Farts” will all be in the Mechanized/Artillery Units. Lots of opportunities actually exist for the Old Farts. Ever notice how once you get to that Senior Citizen point, you magically become almost “Invisible”. One of the great things about our “Youth Culture” is that anybody that is “Over the Hill” is totally disregarded by the younger majority. A Shrink I know explained that the youngsters don’t perceive us to be a “Threat” anymore, so they pay little or no attention to what you say, what you do, where you go, etc. It is truly “AMAZING” what you can pull off if you use the “Screen” to it’s full potential.

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  • eat-more-bacon-USA
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:28pm

    Where is the “SHOCK” part of the video? I see absolutely nothing shocking or out of the ordinary in this video.

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:22pm

      I don’t see anything shocking here either. You idiot. You’d be shocked if your dumb a** was on that bus.

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    • Dkoonz
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:31pm

      Maybe the Prez should take away all the busses…They are dangerous.

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    • PaBowHunter
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:51pm

      I agree. Where’s the shock in that video? This type of violence occurs daily in most black communities.

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    • Bigliardi
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:03pm

      Nothing out of the ordinary at all…Just a couple of blacks doing what they do best, shooting up things, with no concern at all regarding who gets hurt….And of course they wont be held accountable…They expended fourteen thousand rounds and didn’t hit a single white person…Man, I can’t WAIT….!!!

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  • PApeacemaker
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:26pm

    ITS THE TEA PARTIES FAULT!!! Just like everything else in the world & take away law abiding citizens 2nd amendments rights. “Says MSLEFTBC” I can see it now that 90 yr. old chris mathews saying this just because some monkey that should never even be allowed to own a semi-auto rifle because they have NO idea how to operate one or have any respect for that weapon. He was most likely a convicted felon too & how the hell did no one see that gun when he was standing in the street before the bus pulled up?! If I would have seen him standing there I would have shot him dead where he stood. Thats called Old Western Justice!

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  • cloudsofwar
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:26pm

    no assault took place? this is beyond reason. the white tee shirt mob needs to go to prison and i bet they have been there before. nothing says mind your own bussiness like an ak47. it’s a good thing they are terrible shots. if it was black on white crime eric Holder would step in but because it‘s black on black he won’t. but we all know it’s the tea party fault. is that ak47 one of Holders guns?

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    • ForeignWatcher
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Yes, he should go to prison, and like said in the video, they ARE beeing prosecuted. THEIR attorneys say no attack took lace. Thats their job you know, defending the bad guys…

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    • KPEdwards
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:52pm

      @foreign

      So close. It’s their job to defend *anybody*. Everybody has a right to argue why they believe they are innocent. Sorry if I’m being a bit nit-picky, but that whole defense attorney’s defend bad people line is bunk. Defense attorney‘s are a person’s almost last hope to be proven innocent in court, and, you know, protect people from being wrongfully imprisoned.

      What ever happened to Franklin’s, “it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer” ?

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    • Josh_442
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:02pm

      @KP That is the problem with today‘s justice and yesterday’s quotes. It is not even possible that these morons have a “good” reason for doing this. Can you think of one? They can’t all be “not guilty by reason of insanity”, right? So, in Franklin’s day, there would be a trial that day and the jerks would be thrown into prison (or executed) right then. Now, we wait 6 months for a judge to see if they were guilty. They were. It’s on tape. Imprison the jerks and save some $$$.

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    • tiffanne
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:47pm

      How the heck did this become the tea party’s fault. Come on, its the “shooters” fault, do they know any other way to settle disputes…crazies, these shooters do Not belong to the tea party!!!

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    • Its Only Dad
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:29pm

      @KPEdwards: “Defense attorney‘s are a person’s almost last hope to be proven innocent in court”, sorry to be nit-picky, but doesn’t our justice system work just the opposite? Aren’t you “innocent” until “proven” guilty? sarc/

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    • Wu Ming Ren
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:31pm

      “if it was black on white crime eric Holder would step in but because it‘s black on black he won’t.”

      That doesn’t make any sense. Eric Holder has already said he’s not required to uphold white civil rights. Perhaps being black on black crime or black on white crime, Holder is not interested. It should be expected, however, that had it been white on black crime, Holder would have sent take swift action against the perpetrators.

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    • ForeignWatcher
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:44pm

      KPEDWARS, i think you misunderstood me, might be because english aint my first mother language.
      I think what you posted is absoluly right and doesnt contradict my posting.

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    • KPEdwards
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:31pm

      @foreign
      The fault is probably with me. The subject is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

      @ITS ONLY DAD
      you’re definitely correct, what I meant is that a defense attorney can be the last thing between you and being found guilty for a crime you did not commit.

      @JOSH_422
      Honestly, I don‘t see any problem between today’s justice and yesterday’s quotes. This is an obvious line of debate. The defendant wants to plead not-guilty to assault. However, you have evidence of what actions happened. Therefore it really only leads to saying one is not guilt of assault because those actions don’t constitute assault. You bring into question the legal definition of assault. Do I think this will fly? Of course not. I’m sure any prosecutor could find precedent of psychological assault.
      Oh and to those who say just charge him with attempted murder. You could probably argue there was no murder attempt. I mean if the prosecution was really gunning for attempted murder, they could probably get there, but it’d be a bit more work.

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  • HighCountry
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:26pm

    Are we sure that they weren’t some of those violent, unhinged Tea Party members? They hate senior citizens you know. ;)

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:52pm

      You forgot to add women, children, the terminally ill, the environment, gays, muslims, black people, (illegal) immigrants…… :)

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:28pm

      Don’t forget, they hate government and this was a government run bus.

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    • XScramblerX
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:34pm

      I hear the sarcasm…too funny!
      The fact is that 96%to 97% of African American voted for Obama.
      These numbers were quoted over and over again by the major networks and by the Washington Post as well as other national newspapers.
      Tea Party supporters ? I don’t think so. But lets see how “pour me a drink” Chris Matthews spins it!

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:04pm

      I didn’t detect any sarcasm. Just the cold, hard facts.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:43pm

      @BQSFCA, bless you poor, miserable, bleeding little heart…….

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  • inexiletill2012
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:25pm

    It will only be hours for a call to enact MORE gun controll laws !

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    • does this burka make me look fat?
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:46pm

      I don’t need no more gun control! My aim is real good.

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:27pm

      @ Burka

      I side with ye, I laughed when I read your comment!

      LIBERALS TAKE NOTE:

      1. Gun Control is sight alignment + proper trigger squeeze.
      2. Gun Regulation is making sure the gas tube on your semi-auto rifles is not clogged, so the pressure is nice and regular. Also, on recoil-driven weapons, regulation is making sure your springs are all in good order so it feeds easy.
      3. Waiting Periods is when you have to hold your fire for a clean shot at your target.
      4. Gun Rationing is making sure you have enough ammo for a pair for anyone that needs ‘attitude adjustments’.

      Thank you, and have a good day

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:55pm

      @does this burka make me look fat?

      You betcha, my aim is great, too!

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:21pm

      Enacting and Enforcing are two totally differnt propositions. The most BASIC TRUTH of Enforcing any given Law is the WILLINGNESS of those having it ENFORCED upon them, to ALLOW it to be ENFORCED is the final determining factor for success or failure.

      They can and have, ENACTED all manner of Unconstitutional and Immoral Gun Laws already, and ever more people have simply decided to ignore these laws. When PUSH comes to SHOVE, the STAZI GOVBOTS are going to be AMAZED at just how many folks will simple refuse to ALLOW them to ENFORCE their COMMUNIST CRAP on them.

      Each Individual American will ultimately have to decide just where, or even IF, there is a LINE TOO FAR for the STAZIS to cross, on purely subjective basis mind you. But as my Father counciled me about this paricular situation, he said, “Son just remember that the FIRST ONE you put down is the Expensive One. After that ALL the REST you can take out come for FREE.”

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  • Daryn J. Moran
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:24pm

    The drive by media and DOJ will be absent regarding this.

    These people are there friends.

    COUNT GUNS and MEN.

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  • GaryInTheMiddle
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:24pm

    Come on people. These are only well meaning people enjoying as day in Al Gore’s American Spring.

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  • polishboy
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:23pm

    Where is Frank Rizzo when you need him?

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  • steveo427
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:22pm

    No assault took place?? What?
    If I did that to someone I’d be charged with attempted murder,assault with a deadly weapon, etc…
    Seeing as she used her cell phone to arrange the “hit” Seems like it’s premeditated too.

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    • ForeignWatcher
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:27pm

      Yes, and like said in the video, they ARE beeing prosecuted. THEIR attorneys say no attack took lace. Thats their job you know, defending the bad guys…

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    • Bigliardi
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:08pm

      But she picked “The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight” to come to her defense…They reminded me so much of the clips from the civil wars in Africa….Hundreds of blacks running around with kalashnikovs, firing thousands of rounds, and hitting nobody….

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  • nysparkie
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:21pm

    Where is…

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:43pm

      lol. ENCINOM? I would tell them Blacks commit 93% of ALL gun crimes in America, and see what they have to say about that statistic.
      Knowing the typical, pathetic liberal, they will state it is the white man’s fault, for our ancestor’s deeds from 200 years ago, or the old “because the white man has oppressed” line.

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  • jessieH
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:20pm

    Not trying to profile, but backs are in every story on violence.

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    • steveo427
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:25pm

      Funny, I’ve noticed that too. How come all the black “leaders” in this country can’t seem to?

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:26pm

      That’s not profiling. It’s simple observation.

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    • cykoaudio
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:27pm

      ur kidding right?..what about mcveigh,jared loughner,norway shooter,breivik?..chinese shooter in virginia 4years ago,etc..don‘t be naive and don’t post stuff like that w/o scanning the internet first to make sure you are at least a little close to the truth

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    • cessna152
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:32pm

      @cykoaudio

      There are thousands of inner city murders by blacks… this is fact. Whites are also at fault but far, far less of these type of murders. Thanks for bringing up 4 compared to countless thousands like shown above. This is becoming a serious problem and a reason I limit my visits to any city. I will only go if I can carry…

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:32pm

      Cyko,
      Please don’t confuse them with the facts! LOL

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:35pm

      @cykoaudio

      There are most definitely other races who cause violent trouble, but it seems the majority is being caused by black people. If you check out the ‘flash mobs’ that steal and pilfer, the fights in restaurants and stores as well as on public streets, it seems that a very large majority of these have mostly black participants. I believe black people comprise less than 20% of our population, so at the very most, all things being equal, there shouldn’t be more than 20% of these actions being caused by blacks. However, it appears that it’s closer to 80-90%.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:40pm

      cess,

      It’s funny how you on this thread/site are so quick to attribute violent crimes to race rather than socioeconomic background and lack of education! When statistics show that less educated individuals are more prone to committing crimes of all natures you still revert back to it’s because their black! I never understood that in the face of all facts people still look for the untruths.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:49pm

      The insinuation that blacks “cause all violence” is irrational and absurd. I can’t believe the stupid at The Blaze on this topic.

      I thought most Blazers were good people. The number of racists jumping on the bandwagon is sickening.

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    • does this burka make me look fat?
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:51pm

      Remember….it’s the white folks fault that the blacks act as they do. It ‘cuz of all the oppression we’ve oppressed them with. All the welfare, food stamps, free medical care, housing and so forth. Imagine how bad they‘d be if we didn’t handed them all these things. They might actually have to work thus having no time for acting “stupidly”.

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    • ghostsouls
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:53pm

      LOL @ cykoaudio “ur kidding right?..what about mcveigh,jared loughner,norway shooter,breivik?.” You are comparing apples and oranges, try again. Lone gunmen who terrorize, are NOT the same as gangs and street thugs. All the ones you listed, sat there and painstakingly planned out their attacks, sometimes for years, Breivik planned his for nearly 10 years. First, looking at the video, I do agree that the woman did NOT beat the child, she merely disciplined him with a mild swat. But her calling in her “homies” was where a crime was committed. Her children could have been killed, other people, including people on the bus could have had weapons of their own.. ever hear of concealed carry weapons? Yeah the legal ones, unlike the illegal ones those gang bangers had. She should be charged as well, not for the child thing, for for inciting this whole affair. Where is Eric “my people” Holder? Where is Al Sharpton, Where is Van Jones, Where is Jesse Jackson? They need to come out in public and tell “their people’ to stop doing these things. But all you hear is silence. There are cameras everywhere today, every store, bus, taxi, street corner, cell phones etc… where are the videos of White people, or Asian people acting like this? There may be one or tow but I did scour the internet and 99.5% are black people. And anyone that says anything about this unfortunate FACT, is a racist…..that is what people are called for pointing out the truth. Even if you are black yourself.

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    • biggreenboo
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:01pm

      Hey Thomas… thanks for reminding us that blacks are not only violent… but are poor and uneducated. Have a great weekend… I’m going boating… mostly because they also don’t swim very well.

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    • ajentoranje
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:03pm

      thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:40pm
      It’s funny how you on this thread/site are so quick to attribute violent crimes to race rather than socioeconomic background and lack of education! When statistics show that less educated individuals are more prone to committing crimes of all natures you still revert back to it’s because their black! I never understood that in the face of all facts people still look for the untruths.
      ==========================================
      What you fail to realize is WHY they are poor and lacking education. Those factors are the END result, not the cause. When 70% of blacks are born to single mothers. Blacks have higher rates of poverty than whites. In 1998, the poverty rate for female-headed households with children and no husband present was 29.9 percent. By contrast, the poverty rate for married couples was just 5.3 percent.

      So the truth is, their socioeconomic and education backgrounds are their own personal doing….its a culture….its not the cause.

      Juan Williams is a black man.

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20061014/ai_n16785614/

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    • KPEdwards
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:06pm

      @jessieh

      yeah because those all white clubs like the KKK, or the Nazis were so peaceful.

      Oh, and if you want to discount them because … well why the —- not? How about (hold on let me take a breath before I start)
      Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, David Berkowitz, Albert Fish, William Burke, William Hare, Gillies de Rais, Gilles Garnier, Peter Stumpp, Charles Albright, Charles Manson, Richard Chase, Joseph Franklin, Gary Evans, Andrei Chkatilo, Alexander Pichushkin,

      Honestly I could go on all day. Probably for every violent act you could name, I could find another non-black person who not only committed acts of violence, but killed. And in the cases where you’ve named a killer, I could find someone who had killed more.

      So please take your snake oil to someplace else.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:08pm

      @thomasdaddy

      Blame this on socioeconomic problems and lack of education? How much more of our tax dollars do you want to throw at these communities to “fix” this problem? Until you can get the parents to raise their children appropriately and actually be there for support for them, ensure they are in school learning and not causing trouble (and maybe even having a 2-parent household), you will never fix a lack of education problem no matter how much [of China's] money you throw at them.

      Those of us pointing out that it’s the majority of black kids that are doing these things are not racist — we’re observing and commenting on that observation. That is NOT racism. I know some damn good black people who raised some damn good children. Unfortunately, they appear to be the exception to what most end up doing.

      Get the so-called ‘leaders’ like Sharpton and Jackson to shut the hell up and find some real heros for these black kids to respect and you’ll be on your way to fixing the problem. Until then (and even after), there must be harsh penalties for violent actions no matter what color the perpetrators are. And, if they are mostly black, so be it.

      No racism here — just plain old facts.

      WOLVERINES!

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    • cromag11b
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:09pm

      Only because the outlets that spoon feed your view of the world only tell you about black violence to promote racial divide and reinforce racist ideology. Then you come to a site like this where every third comment is openly racist and it reinforces the above goals through herd mentality

      Same way liberal sites always find the best Bubba picture to go with a gun story.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:09pm

      ghost,

      i get where you’re coming from, but the bottom line and the reason you and others are considered or called “Racist” is because all attribute the act to the race of the perpetrator. I don‘t think you’re a racist based on your comments. I think you just fall for the media reporting only negative portrayals of black people! You tried to make the crimes of the VA tech, and Norway shooters seem better because they planned them! That makes no sense! Killing is killing! Whether you kill 20 at once in a calculated plan on 1per day on impulse it’s wrong! The black “leaders” you referred to have all come out in opposition to gang violence, absentee “fathers”, government dependency, etc, but you do know it, because you aren’t looking for it, and it’s not publicized the way inflammatory remarks are. You can’t kill a weed by clipping its leaves! You have to kill the root! The root in this case is not race! It’s lack of education. Dismissing it as a racial issue stops us from tackling the real problem!

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:19pm

      ajen,
      “What you fail to realize is WHY they are poor and lacking education. Those factors are the END result, not the cause. When 70% of blacks are born to single mothers. Blacks have higher rates of poverty than whites. In 1998, the poverty rate for female-headed households with children and no husband present was 29.9 percent. By contrast, the poverty rate for married couples was just 5.3 percent.

      So the truth is, their socioeconomic and education backgrounds are their own personal doing….its a culture….its not the cause.’

      I can appreciate your view point! I honestly can, but let’s look at it seriously! The schools in the inner-city are horrible! You can not expect to receive a quality education in many of the inner city schools! That’s facts. The schools are poor because there isn’t much tax revenue coming out of these depressed neighborhoods. You can’t get a decent paying job without and adequate education. See the circle!? You mentioned single moms, and statistics say that girls who attend school regularly are far less likely to get pregnant than girls who don’t. If we focus the discussion on education instead of getting race bated the problem can be addressed.

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    • Wayne
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:30pm

      I lived in Africa for a year and every country I was in they were violent. They would shoot or stab their own family. Most are like animals, and should be treated that way.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:36pm

      jh,

      That’s just the problem. Education is the first thing to be cut, and the cuts usually happen in the most depressed communities! Not sure how you got the impression that the government is throwing gobs of money at the inner city school system, but that is simply not the case in any way shape or form!

      I totally agree that parents must be more responsible for the education and behavior of their children, but that‘s difficult when the parent isn’t much older than the child! The root cause is always going to come back to education, or the lack thereof.

      In regards to you being a racist or not. Nothing in your comments would lead me to call you a racist. A bit misguided, but not a racist! Case in point, the fact that you think that the “Damn good” black people you know are the exception rather than the rule. If the “Damn Good” black people were the exception there would be a lot more crime! The fact is, the black community does have a problem with a small portion of its population engaging in criminal activity! That’s a fact, but it’s a small percentage of the Black population. There are 40 million blacks in the country. If we were all committing crimes this would be a totally different country! LOL

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:38pm

      If you want a racist reference point, see wayne’s comment!

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:41pm

      @ Thomas

      Close…not quite. I suffered through city schools for eleven out of fifteen pre-college education years, and I am not part of the failure statistic even though I have just as much reason to be under your logic. I have an Associates of Sciences, two professional certifications, trade training, and a very stable middle-class job.

      Will power and discipline will get you a lot farther than making excuses for someone’s socio-economic straits. Excuses lead to a form of apathy for this manner of nightmare, and apathy only increases the lethality of these incidents as they happen more and more frequently.

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    • stogieguy7
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:45pm

      But Wayne is correct. I too have been to Africa and what I found there was a continent full of violence and ignorance. Many of the behaviors that you see in inner-city black slums here in the US are exactly the same as take place over there.

      While its true that “all crime” is NOT committed by blacks (not by a longshot), they do perpetrate far more than their proportional share of crime. Especially violent crime. Name me the least violent countries and I’ll name you the ones with the lowest percentage of blacks in their respective populations. If you don’t like it, you can label this comment as “racist” too – but all you are doing is throwing out that label because you apparently can’t handle the truth.

      And not one part of the above comment is untrue.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:55pm

      @thomasdaddy

      All in all, I don’t think you can convince me that these perpetrators do not know what they are doing is wrong. That being the case, it doesn’t matter if they had a poor upbringing or not; wrong is wrong and as long as they know it’s wrong, it should not be tolerated in any manner.

      As to the inner city school system, throwing money at it won’t help … it never does. What those kids’ parents need are VOUCHERS — something that people who want more money thrown at the public school system seem to always be against. Let the parents decide where to send their children for a quality education. I am unsure even that would help them, though — and if it wouldn’t, what would you suggest? How do we fix the problem?

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:06pm

      ohioRifleman,

      There is an exception to every rule! I spent 22yrs in the projects growing up. I’m a college educated legal profession managing groups in 2 states. My parents had me when my mom was 36yrs old, and my dad was 38yrs old. Mature, settled, and stable! Kids growing up do not have that in their lives, and the cycle will continue for most if education is not a focus. There are always a lucky few that get out, but we need to increase the odds for success!

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    • Bigliardi
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:14pm

      It is because blacks have been “maligned and marginalized” for so many years..Blacks like Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson, The McKinney Freak, Sheila Jackson Lee, all say it is payback time….While white liberals quake in their boots, turn a blind eye, and hope it doesn’t come to their neighborhoods….

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:15pm

      @fascistdaddy: we’ve spent TRILLIONS trying your failed socialist policies…they don’t work…in fact they are the cause of the dysfunction in the black community…encouraging the breakup of families…and your precious education spending is a TOTAL FAILURE…how many decades of failed socialist policies do you need to see before you get a clue?

      Continuous spending increases have not corresponded with equal improvement in American educational performance. Long-term measures of American students’ academic achievement, such as long-term NAEP reading scale scores and high school graduation rates, show that the performance of American students has not improved dramatically in recent decades, despite substantial spending increases. The lack of a correlation between long-term Education spending and performance does not suggest that resources are not a factor in academic performance, but it does suggest that simply increasing spending is unlikely to improve educational performance.

      http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/09/does-spending-more-on-education-improve-academic-achievement

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:19pm

      jh,
      “All in all, I don’t think you can convince me that these perpetrators do not know what they are doing is wrong. That being the case, it doesn’t matter if they had a poor upbringing or not; wrong is wrong and as long as they know it’s wrong, it should not be tolerated in any manner.”

      i never said that they didn’t know right from wrong or that i was trying to convince you otherwise! I’m simply sating the facts! The liklihood of an educated person committing a violent crime is extremely low than someone with little to no education. That’s my point, and never did I say it should be tolerated! I’m saying that society on a whole is tackling an issue in the wrong way! It’s like given a pregnant woman a birthcontrol pill!

      “As to the inner city school system, throwing money at it won’t help … it never does.”
      It never happened!! Lets try it first before we say it won’t work! If you have evidence of inner city schools being flooded with tax money i’d love to see it!

      “I am unsure even that would help them, though — and if it wouldn’t, what would you suggest? How do we
      fix the problem?”

      First we have to make serious investments in education! This means not making the Board of Education the countries piggie bank! This means entitlement reform! Make people who are on welfare have to work for that money, and make it temporary! I could go on, and on, but we just really have to address the education system in the depressed neighborhood

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @fascistdaddy…I mean seriously can you ever tell the truth? we need to spend more on education??? oh please…from my previous article…

      For example, in Detroit, per-student spending is approximately $11,100 per year, yet only 25 percent of Detroit’s students are graduating from high school according to a recent estimate.[21] In these communities and across the country, policymakers should focus on reforming policies and resource allocation to improve student achievement.

      11,100 per year per pupil…how much do you think spend?? a million,,,a billion? I mean you’re absurd.

      Despite its poor results, District public schools have boasted one of the highest spending rates per pupil, the Washington Post reports.

      According to the census, with figures taken from the 2008-09 school year, D.C. spent $16,408 per student; second only to New York, which spent about $2,000 more. The national average is $10,499. By contrast, D.C. ranked last in the 2011 Education Week rankings.

      http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/05/d-c-schools-have-second-highest-per-pupil-spending-rate-61358.html

      how much more of a ‘serious’ investment in education do you think we need?? duhhhhhhh

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:58pm

      joe,
      come on with the conservative talking points! Let’s deal with the facts! The federal government does not spend trillions on education!

      States and localities are the primary sources of K-12 education funding and always have been.

      Total U.S. Expenditures for Elementary and Secondary Education

      In the 2004-05 school year, 83 cents out of every dollar spent on education is estimated to come from the state and local levels (45.6 percent from state funds and 37.1 percent from local governments). The federal government’s share is 8.3 percent. The remaining 8.9 percent is from private sources, primarily for private schools. [ * * ] This division of support remains consistent with our nation’s historic reliance on local control of schools.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:10pm

      @fascistdaddy…didn’t say the federal government spend TRILLIONS on education…nice lie. and nice diversion, notice you couldn’t answer any of my points…no surprise…

      Other spending categories that have grown rapidly since 2000 include: anti-poverty programs (89 percent faster than inflation), K–12 education (219 percent),

      http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2010

      federal spending for k-12 education rose 219 percent since 2000….and of course we have this…

      the president’s Fy2011 budget for the Department of Education tops $77 billion. This includes $50 billion in discretionary spending, $1 billion for successful ESEA reauthorization, and $35 billion for Pell grants, which became mandatory in 2010. The budget increase comes on top of last year’s $100 billion infusion of “stimulus” cash into the Department of Education’s coffer. Unfortunately, the sacred cow of education spending has been spared of the spending freeze.

      http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/01/budget-2011-education-spending-skyrockets/

      in other words you were lying about “First we have to make serious investments in education” we have done that and it does NOT work….

      your idiotic assertion “It never happened!! Lets try it first before we say it won’t work! If you have evidence of inner city schools being flooded with tax money i’d love to see it!”

      I already debunked….again do you ever tell the truth about anything?

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    • Perspective
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:24pm

      As I’ve said before, the N-word is not a race, it’s a way of life. They come in all colors believe me. The lifestyle this woman and her brothers showed is definitely the N-word way of life. I had a stretch of my life from age 12 to 16 where my family was on welfare. My mother busted her @ss going to school full time taking nursing classes. That experience of being poor and on the “dole” made me decide I was never going to live like that again. I worked hard in school and in life to make a good career for myself and a good life for my family. It’s called personal RESPONSIBILITY.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:12pm

      joe,
      “didn’t say the federal government spend TRILLIONS on education”
      Yet you post the president budget appropriation for education! LMAO!! O.K.! Come on joe, surely even you are smart enough to consider all the cuts over the past decade when attempting to tell me how much we are spending on Education!! these are cuts are in 2011 alone!

      Texas Cutting $5 Billion From Public Schools
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/19/texas-school-budget-cuts

      More than half of the $38 billion in spending cuts that lawmakers agreed to last week in the 2011 budget compromise that averted a government shutdown would hit education, labor and health programs.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/38-billion-in-cuts-in-budget-deal-will-cover-various-domestic-areas

      But, under the House bill, those programs would be scrapped entirely, including:
      • Even Start Family Literacy program: $66.5 million
      • Mathematics and Science partnerships: $180 million
      • Striving Readers program: $250 million
      • The Obama admin $50 million high school graduation initiative, which is a fairly new program
      • Literacy Through School Libraries: $19 million
      • Education Tech State Grants: $100 million
      • Foriegn Language Assist: $26.9 million
      • The National Writing Project: $25.6 million
      • Ready-to-Learn Television: $27.3 million
      • Civic Education: $35 million
      • Elementary and Secondary School Counseling: $55 million
      • Smaller Learning Communities: $88 million
      • Te

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    • TRUTH
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:47pm

      I hope your amnesia gets better…NORWAY!

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:09pm

      @fascistdaddy uh you say ““didn’t say the federal government spend TRILLIONS on education”
      Yet you post the president budget appropriation for education! LMAO!! O.K.! ”

      LMAO Ok that makes NO sense…but nothing else you say makes any sense either…glad to see you’re easily amused…the simple always are….

      hey gomer, newsflash: THERE ARE NOT CUTS IN THAT DEBT LIMIT DEAL…how hard is this?? there are decreases in increases…in other words instead of a 10% increase we are only going to do a 8% increase LMAO…you are beyond stupid….

      I wish all those cuts you listed would have gone through…you want to improve education??? eliminate the department of education…and get rid of the thuggish teacher unions…..the entire public EDUKASHUN system is a failure…just another example of your failed socialist ideas…when are you gonna get a clue??? your ideas fail every time…but you ‘progressive’ fascists don’t want to help people, you just want power over other people’s lives…..

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:17pm

      @fascistdaddy…maybe a nice chart would be easier for you to understand, since english seems a bit difficult for you…

      Since 1970, inflation adjusted public school spending has more than doubled. Over the same period, achievement of students at the end of high school has stagnated according to the Department of Education’s own long term National Assessment of Educational Progress (see chart above). Meanwhile, the high school graduation rate has declined by 4 or 5%, according to Nobel laureate economist James Heckman.

      http://simplecomplexity.net/education-achievement-data/

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  • SON OF JEFFERSON
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:19pm

    So attempted murder is no longer a crime

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    • zigzag
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:23pm

      My thought exactly.

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    • ForeignWatcher
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:28pm

      It is,, and like said in the video, they ARE beeing prosecuted. THEIR attorneys say no attack took lace. Thats their job you know, defending the bad guys…

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    • moreteaplease
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:32pm

      Well it is and isn’t…depends on what color you are it seems.

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    • AlansTigg
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:54pm

      it’s not a crime if you are incompetent and therefore unsuccessful

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  • NotFooled
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:17pm

    Ya, Those Right -Wing terrorists… (Sarcasm)

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:47pm

      Maybe they were fed up with social workers telling them not to spank their kids…

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  • American Infantry
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:15pm

    did any one else catch the shooters names SHOCKER

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  • The_Fox
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    “…no assault took place” ???

    This is a REAL problem when reality hits you in the face and you say it is something different; it’s a LIE, plain and simple.

    Speak the truth America, no matter what !

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    • cessna152
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:28pm

      It’s only an assault if they are a white Christian or Conservative.

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    • ForeignWatcher
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:28pm

      Its an assault, yes, and like said in the video, they ARE beeing prosecuted. THEIR attorneys say no attack took lace. Thats their job you know, defending the bad guys…

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    • Hoosierchap
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:52pm

      The truth is: It‘s George Bush’s fault!

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  • johnj1952
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    How come i’m not surprised that they are black.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:30pm

      It is sad that this apparent fact is causing more and more racism and hatred. I agree that it appears the majority of crime is being committed by blacks. At the same time, I know some damn fine black men and women and it’s unfair to paint them with that wide of a brush. I just wish they, like the good family-oriented Muslims would speak out against this sort of thing as it does nothing but breed hatred toward their race. We need courts with common sense, DAs willing to prosecute swiftly and harshly when it comes to violence and to forget about political correctness crap!

      WOLVERINES!

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:22pm

      You are not surprised because blacks commit 93% of ALL Gun Crimes in the U.S.of A.

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    • Perspective
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:47pm

      Bill Cosby has repeatedly spoken out and he just gets beat up by the left.

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    • johnj1952
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:12pm

      This is not racsism, it is just the fact that these animals were waiting for the fat ass bitch and pull several guns. What was their intention to highjack the bus ? No it was to KILL. I did’nt see any NRA logos, so I am correct that these ferel animals have stolen guns, or maybe the EFIN Gov. gave them to them. Did you watch the video? Did you see that they showed no regard for anyone. An eighty year old women cowerring in the asile of the bus as a bullet slamed through the window she had just been standing in front of. Racsisim will stop when these animals are sent back to Africa to fight along side the animals throughout that country.

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  • nysparkie
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    Philly, the City of brotherly Love. Not from YOU KNOW WHO! It sure doesn’t look like the kids from the Christian Academy there.

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  • spirited
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    “No assault was made –because no one was injured. ”

    >Really now!

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  • olddog
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    There is also a repot of hundreds of blacks terrorizing whites at a state fair but not reported by Lib. Media that way… All the violent rhetoric coming from the left Is working. We will protect ourselves our homes and families. At All Costs!!!

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    • spirited
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Iowa apparently had a similer experience: “Beat Up Whitey Night”.

      At least the bus experience –where there was “no assault” (gasp & sigh)–,

      > was attempt to ‘kill my own’.

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  • dtitus1304
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:14pm

    When are people going to admit that some poeple are just different than others. Reality sucks sometimes but you just have to admit it.

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    • nysparkie
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:15pm

      aye aye to that

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:24pm

      Are you saying black versus white, or criminals versus law abiding citizens?

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    • GiveUsJustice
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:20pm

      Only a racist would make a statement like that Thomas. Way to show your “colors”.

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    • stogieguy7
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:51pm

      Well, in the animal world, many wide-ranging animals have evolved into different subspecies. Much as we have “races”. And it would be natural that different races and genetic backgrounds would result in certain groups having similar characteristics. Why is it that so many Asians are proficient at mathematics and in the technical sciences? How is it that the NBA is overwhelmingly black (80+%)? Different races and ethnic groups have different proficiencies. So, lastly, how is it that I cannot think of one country with a black majority that is not violent?

      So yes there are differences. The sooner we all accept these differences and embrace them, the better off humanity will be. We’re not all equal in every way – but it does average out.

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    • let us prey
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:58pm

      Thomastroll
      What about people taking responsibility for themselves and their families. Holy crap man, you blame everything on impoverished, education, broken families, and whatever else you can. Try birth control or some self restraint. At some point people have to man up and take responsibility. Get a job, discipline your kids, live a clean life and quit blaming the world and the citizens and the gov. Life is complicated, do your best. Clearly this segment of the country has given up due to entitlements and selfishness.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:01pm

      stogie,

      WOW!! Blacks are not genetically apt to play basketball! That’s a cheap sport to play! you get a ball and a hoop! No cleets, bat, glove etc.
      The sad part is, you’re racist and in denial about it!

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    • biggreenboo
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:22pm

      Oh Thomas… Your defence is starting to crack.

      Why don’t you just give up… take a bus ride… go to a fair.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:14pm

      big,

      just saying my defence cracked means nothing! You actually have to prove it! LMAO!!

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:11pm

    If these animals and the stupid b*tch who arranged for the shooting do not serve time, then there can be no doubt that under eric holder, no blacks can be convicted in obamerica.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:16pm

      This has to be the most idiotic comment today! It’s not surprising that no one on this thread that is of your far right ilk spoke against this ridiculous comment!

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:19pm

      daddy:
      Sorry, I forgot that title usually belongs to you.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:24pm

      Defense attornies aren’t suppose to knownly defend the guilty…
      Oh wait I forgot they‘re lawyers and justices doesn’t matter it’s win or lose that matters to them.
      The fact that there is even a trial when theres this kind of evidence show how broken down our system really has become.

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    • let us prey
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:17pm

      igaspar
      Do you think she used one of those free Pennsylvania [it is the rights of all people to have a free cell phone] for the hit? Betcha she did. Noone will be charged. Sad

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    • JimCDew
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:33pm

      @THOMASDADDY – You’re right. Holder has no say in the enforcement of PA state law and cannot be used to imply an unbalanced enforcement favoring Af-Ams.

      That said the parties involved should be tried and, if found guilty, sentenced to jail. I would also ask whether Holders’ DOJ will charge them with terrorist acts?

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  • CS_GUY
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:10pm

    Where did the Philadelphia defense attorneys take the Bar exam, Venus? Looks like war to me……

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    • myfamily04
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:28pm

      Is this the same city where those Black Panthers came from and I guess threatening people with a billy club is not a crime either???

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  • AlansTigg
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:10pm

    WOW when did no harm no foul become a legal defense?????

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    • spirited
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:18pm

      Seriously, ….Look at what happened to Blagojevich!

      >Moral of the story: Use a bullet shooting device instead of a mouth.

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    • thomasdaddy
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:22pm

      Seems like assault to me, even in Philly!

      Pennsylvania Assault Penalties & Laws
      Under Pennsylvania assault laws, a person is guilty of assault if a person intentionally or knowingly causes bodily harm to another, or attempts to do so putting another in fear of injury.

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    • GiveUsJustice
      Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:18pm

      Sweet, so I can go there and shoot up property and not be charged! Awesome way to take out your frustration at the city’s and taxpayers expense. What a great city to go to when I’m angry! Would suck to be a taxpayer though!

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  • NWalters78
    Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:09pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest. They could be doing a dry run for the DAY AFTER ELECTION DAY 2012, when they rage at Deir Boyz’s loss of Da Prezidency.

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