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Shocking Level of Influence Exposed: Union Boss Trumka Talks to White House EVERY DAY and Visits a Couple Times A Week
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ares338
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:02amCaption of the picture for this topic. The Muslim and the mafioso!
Report Post »Paul -Indiana
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:38amMore like the Muslim and the Communist.
Report Post »B-Neil
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:01amYour starting to see the outer edges of the underground Communist movement. Your starting to see those involved. Your starting to see the bits and pieces of there agenda. Yes; they have a plan for your life and its not a good one……..Carry on McDuff——–PS. If you want todays brand of Union. Reolize your getting a Communist front Organization.
Report Post »psst
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:12amStarting to see the outer edges of the communist underground?
Report Post »Hmm!! Me thinks it’s out in the open for all to see. The whole communist enchilada have been open for one and all to see for quite awhile.
The man Soetoro in the WH is a moslem marxist.
weeblewacker1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:43pmtotaly agree unions like the A.F.T.R.A. -AFL-CIO, in which mr.beck and rush and mr.bill all belong too!!
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:12pmFunny.
Report Post »I just saw a straw poll about a possible 2012 Repub Pres candidate. Like there’s gonna be elections in 2012! Ha! Too funny. Obama is setting up martial law and the suspension of elections. That is why he is behaving like a second term is of no interest to him. He is planning on his first term to last a long long time.
walker1812
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:01amWe all know whose running this Country. AND it aint pretty. It’s pretty sad.
Report Post »Jack007
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:01amImpeach Comrade Mooslim Obama! the Manchurian Canadate NOW!
Report Post »Tepeyac
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:00amHow come it’s always GUYS visiting Obama, I’m just askin….
Report Post »_waTson_
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:50pm:-X lol
Report Post »ConservativeFeminist
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:00am+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Malik Shabazz (of the New Black Panther Party) is another frequent White House guest:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/white-house-posts-visitor-lists-is-that-the-bill-ayers-no.html
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Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:02pmthat is truley dirt-bag low..
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:00amImagine that. Obama knows where his money came from & is still comming from. How did he connect those dots….
Report Post »shellmen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:59amThese SOB,s have got to go. Trumpka is a communist and the members of his union are no better. barry is in their pocket and we all know that so maybe it is time for another Egypt.
Report Post »Lion420
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:58amWe’re cooked! Our own president is actively engaged in helping the enemies of this country…and getting us to foot the bill.
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:49pmWe must be able to do something….. continue pressing this issue and let all you know be sent out on facebook and in emails…. this must be stopped!
Report Post »eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:58amImpeach obama.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:22amYou teachers are not sick — Your Fired!
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:57amI said earlier this week that Obama presents himself more the President of the unions that the whole of the United States. That very small percentage of people he actually represents does clearly have a huge influence on his decisions
Report Post »psst
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:57amWell. Tumka is one of Soetoro bosses. So this is not unusual that a boss would be giving instructions to his subordinate on a continuous basis.
Report Post »I mean, most bosses don’t live at their offices. Just because they are in charge does not mean they have to be there on a constant basis. This is why they employ office managers whose duties is to carry out the boss wishes.
Hell, even Trumka boss ,Soros don’t live in the WH.
They employ Soetoro to get things done.
ADNIL
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:56amIn his OWN WORDS. I guess we know what BHO’s priorities are. And it isn’t about you or me.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:55amAnd this is a surprise — How? Break the public unions.
Silversmith
Report Post »gr8photoman
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:54amWouldn’t it be a great day for the country if we could finally repeal the Wagner Act?
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:47amOh yeah, an oligarchy is such a better way of life – especially for the working man and woman. NOT
Report Post »FreedomFighter2006
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:07am@SIMPLETRUTHS – I enjoy your posts because it allows everyone to see how ignorant and misinformed libs are. Thanks buddy.
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:25pm@FreedomFighter2006
Report Post »Ignore the scum,it will just feed off you.
RLTW
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:52amLeaches of the world unit, activate leach sucking powers in 3 2 1
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:52am@ IntheKnowOG
Report Post »Sorry bubba…only one person controls me…MY WIFE! jess sayin’
angelcat
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:51amThis needs to be publicized over and over so that more Americans realize the country has a union leader who is practically co-president. Can you imagine the uproar if Bush had had the head of an oil company call every day and visit once or twice a week – or anyone who was a supporter of ONLY the Republican Party. This president railed against lobbyists and then has practically taken on the biggest lobbyist as a border.
Report Post »saneasylum
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:50amThis guy has to be an idiot if he thinks the American public is going to buy any of Trumkas’ BS !
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:24amTrumka is a dangerous man….No, America will not buy this, it is being forced on us……REpublican Governors don’t back down….keep fighting! WE STand With You
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:48amIf there were any doubts left about the man illegally sitting in the WH, OUR HOUSE, these continuing exposes of the company he keeps should unlock the minds, heal the eyes of the blind and shock them back to life.
obamamama IS an enemy of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Why he is still in office and not in prison for treason is beyond me. Oh, and take the big ugly arrogant butt with you. Can anyone explain this, really
Report Post »psst
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:00amThe man sitting in the WH is named Barry Soetoro.
Report Post »I have no idea who gave him the name Hussein Obama.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:28am@Psst
Obama changed the name on his own I believe.
@KickaGrandma
We have allowed, in the last elections, for the progressives to seize the window opened for them, and now we have to deal with it. The people of America are now facing a trial of biblical proportions, and we will need to bear up to it, this we are able to do, and will succeed with the guidance and grace of the Almighty.
Americans recognize evil for what it is; we will have a major time fixing the nation, and the futrue may seem to be in doubt, yet we will make it happen, and restore the nation. What matters is how we will deal with the challenges and opportunities that lay ahead of us as individuals and groups.
We Will Win.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:43am@SNOWLEOPARD {GALLERY OF CAT FOLKS}
Report Post »No you won’t, you will lose. The new crop of R’s are overconfident and are over-reaching, the fringe is going to scare the independents and the pendulum will swing back to the center.
HairRazor
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:51amsimpleLIES, No. We will win and to the extent that you and yours will crawl back in your holes (at least untill we fall asleep again). Thank you b obummer for the ‘wake up’.
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:20pm@HairRazor
Report Post »Please do not respond to the garbage,ignore it.
these people have mental issues and full of hate
for a true and free America.
IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:48amBut you republicants are all controlled by the corporate corporatizing corporations…..(tears in eyes of lib)…BS!
smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:58amGoldman sach executives,General Electric CEO’S,G.M. CEO’S, Are all part of Obama cabinets. When he was elected Obama campaign recieved three dollars for evert one McCain reeived from wallstreet banks and brokerage firms. The facts are you can spout off whatever you want but the provable facts paint a different story. The fact is the small businesses overwhelmingly support Republicans and Corperations along with their unions support democrats.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:59amYou mean the “evil big corporations” that gave the U.S. the world’s largest economy? I’m so ashamed. :-(
Report Post »not funny
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:13amThe big corporations and wall street all supported Obama in the election–I had a big argument with my broker over this liberal Alinsky man. I don’t think you can trust any words that come out of the white house about their relations with big corporations or wall street. Games are being played.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:29amsmithclar3nc3
You should know that facts don’t fit into what liberals believe. You might as well try explaining cold fusion to a mindless liberal, as telling them the truth about Obama and their hated FAT CATS being in bed together.
Report Post »IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:02amPSST….and others.
You are all a perfect example of whats wrong with the conservative movement. NONE of you stopped to comprehend my comment. You simply reacted. My post was and exact transcript of a spoof Su does on the Glenn Beck program. It’s a characterization of a typical lib using tu quoque fallacious arguments as a rebuttal to the obvious corporate backing of the progressives. Please read, comprehend and then react for the sake of all of us. I was in attendance of the 8/28 rally and multiple local 912, tea party and conservative events in my local area. Please read my previous post before you ASSume I am a lib. Thank you.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:22amWell then If you’re true intent was sarcasm and you truely are conservative. Then why start bloviating at the fact that someone called you out on an obvious lie. Why not instead find comfort in the knowledge that there well informed citizen not afraid to tell it like it is. Citizens whom actually care about the country and are educating themselves daily on it’s past and present situations.
Report Post »as for not spotting the obvious(to you) sarcasm in your post I will just say My Bad
IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:25amAnd, by Su…I mean Stu, of course.
Report Post »IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:53amsmithclar3nc3
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:22am
Well then If you’re true intent was sarcasm and you truely are conservative
You must be new here. Check me out on newsrealblog as well.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:26amIntheknow
Report Post »I read your post three times trying to fig out if it was sarcasm or not .
BrerRabbit
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:47amCommunist in the hen house.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:56amOnce a commie, always a commie! Obama, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Mao, and Trumpka – - – all cut from the same mold.
Report Post »weeblewacker1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:39pmyou dern right there is!! and thy names are: MR.Glenn Beck,MR.Rush Limbaugh,and MR.Bill O’Riely!!! all members of the A.F.T.R.A.-A.F.L.-C.I.O.!!! it’s true,look it up! your “hero’s are with the “commies”
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 11:30pm@weeblewacker—–
Go wack you teeny weeble. You’re monotonous.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:46amWhy am I not surprised? Obama is in the pocket of the unions so deep, he can barely breathe.
Report Post »Highland
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:10amI’d say he was far up their, ahem, digestive system.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:24am@Highland
Guess that would be the same as someone who’s nose is refered to by a certain coloration?
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:39amand Bush and Chaney in bed with big oil was fine with you? Hypocrite.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:24am“and Bush and Chaney in bed with big oil was fine with you? Hypocrite.”
Argumentum tu quoque. Rejected.
And by the way, I found Duya pretty disgusting, all things considered. But that has nothing to do with criticizing Obama. Any student of Logic 101 knows that “but but but you too!” is an invalid rhetorical technique.
Slainte
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:44amSimpleTruths, Your SIMPLE minded argument is not based in TRUTH… change your name.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:36pmGuess that makes him a trouser weasel?
Report Post »weeblewacker1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:20pmsorry archie this is for @watchtheotherhand: umm i went a lot farther than one little site with his name on a ballot,which he could not be on if he wasn’t a member, look closer and you will see everyone at fox belongs to that union!! even sister sarah palin!! if you need help in using the internet,i only charge $9.95 a lesson.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:46amThis is absolutely nothing new to me.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:14ammaybe this is.
Trumka is a murderer!!!
REMEMBER EDDIE YORK!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUVpJnHZNw8
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:47amJust another typical Barack Obama crony……YomamaObama surrounds himself with thieves, murderers, and radicals of every stripe, yet is still revered by his fanatical liberal zealot admirers…..Van Jones, The Reverend Wright, The murderer by proxy Trumka, Bill Ayers and Berandine Dohrn, etc etc….I wake up every day wondering how this all came to pass….
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:32am@BIGLIARDI
Report Post »Isn’t it surreal?? And everyday we find out more and more. The corruption in this Administration just piles on daily. Behind our backs the commies , Islamic infiltrators and progressives have gained power and influence without the media shining a light on it at all. This has caught alot of us off guard and even more still not listening or believing it. Still only FOX is reporting the truth and even they are afraid to come right out and connect the dots for their audience. Except Beck of course.
TheLascone
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:02amWe better prepare …..
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ozchambers
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:29pmObama is a hybrid between a radical revolutionary, a Chicago gangland mid-level boss, and an ivy-league pseudo intellectual professor. So now we see all of these factions (unions / anti-capitalists / muslim extremists) around the world working together to create a revolutionary concoction designed to topple regimes and governments and create a massive power vacuum. So after the dust begins to settle from the collapsing countries and collapsing economies, these factions that had worked so well together in their revolutionary goals will begin competing for the reigns of power. Who do you think will end up on top? I’d wager that the most violent and aggressive will seize control. Prepare for a massive shift in world power to radical Islam. And when these powers unite (including the previously competing shiites and sunnis) they will use every available tool to crush, enslave, conquer and rule.
Report Post »weeblewacker1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:24pm@watchtheotherhan: dig farther little grass-hopper! seek and yee should find!!!
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:32pmRight, but at least this is something we can use to show people who still don’t get it. The more they talk the more tools we have to our advantage to wake people up.
Ignore the trolls on here, its a waste of time. If there is someone you think could actually still be saved go to them, let the ones working against America fall where they may, they have chosen their side.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:45amWho da thunk? You would have to be a single digit IQ not to realize what is going on !!!!
grandmaof5
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:58amWhen does this hit the treason mark in the justice system? It is obvious that this president is trying to stir up a revolution within the United States and I am sick and tired of it being ignored by the Justice Dept. I want someone to say something, anything, and I want Trumpka in jail. (And Santa, I also want…..)
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:58amVice President Joe “Does This Ballroom Gown Make Me Look Fat” Biden said that you dance with the people that bring you…….I just wonder who leads when the music starts playing……perhaps if they should televise these meetings on NBC…..they could name it “Dancing With The Czars”……They really need the ratings boost…..
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:03amGo Wisconsin!
sissykatz
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:12amWe all know that Obama is in bed with the Unions no doubt. But would Trumpka actually say this to a reporter if it were true. I thought all their things were done in the dark of night. I can’t believe he would say this.It probably is true, but I am shocked he would say so.
tobywil2
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:13amof course the tyrant must support his political cronies. That is what the “progressive movement” is all about. Special privileges for the tyrant’s henchmen paid for by general population with special emphasis on the political dissenters. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:14am@Grandmaof5
This is long past treason, we have the president working with those who wish to destroy and overthrow the nations free will; while off of Somalia the pirates have executed the four captives and the president will do nothing – they were christian missionaries on a round the world trip.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:18am@NZkiwi
Glad to see you posting again, and my prayers go up for all of those in New Zealand affected and for the relatives and family that are out of the country from there. May all be kept safe, and those who have been injured in body and/or mind/spirit be healed and graced by the Almighty.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:18amWalpole said of the Duke of Newcastle during the French and Indian Wars,(fits Obummer to a tee) “He had a feverish craving for place and power, joined to a total unfitness for both. He was an adept in personal politics, and was so busied with the arts of winning and keeping office that he had no leisure, even if he had the ability, for the higher work of government. He was restless, quick in movement, rapid and confused in speech, lavish of worthless promises, always in a hurry and at once headlong, timid and rash. .A borrowed importance and real insignificance. The perpetual air of a solicitor(lawyer, for those in Rio Linda) He had no pride but infinite self love. He loved business immoderately, yet was only always doing it, never did it. When left to himself, he always plunged into difficulties , and then shuddered for it’s consequences. Taken from “Montcalm and Wolf, The French and Indian Wars” by Frances Parkman
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:22am@grandmaof5
Report Post »It’s been two and hald years since being elected, and were just finding this out today! So, whats slipped by in the two and half years since? Obama is a traitor! I truely believe he’w up to his neck in this movement overseas! Someone wrote a post about going green/green movement and I didn’t think about it at the time, but I believe now this may have been a code word! There’s just to many coincidences for it not tied together! Look at the Color of Green, Hamas and Hezbola both carry these colors as flags, I think it at symbolic meanings that maybe we don’t understand! As far as the Unions go, they are also neck deep in this also! Obama wanted the Muslim Brotherhood at his speech in Egypt for a reason, and I think its a direct correlation between Obama, the uprising and Islam!
mtnclimberjim
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:26amSoon people, soon. The lines a becoming more clear every day. The violent revolution will start with the unions,then the muzies will join in and when the mexicans see they can ride the tide with the rest of the traitors, there will be a blood bath. Put all that crap together and add in hunger from food prices and no one being able to afford fuel, Come Jesus come.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:34am“Fundamentally transform the United States of America” What do you think he was talking about???
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:36amThere is most definitely storm clouds gathering on the horizon. Jesus rebuked the people of his day…..you know how to evaluate the weather by looking at signs in the sky. How is it then you don’t properly evaluate the signs of the times you are living in? The signs are around and emotion and anger are palpable everywhere. With the shrinking of the globe due to technical advances and the increase of internationalism cultures and beliefs are colliding much in the same way tectonic plates collide during and Earthquake shaking the very foundations of things. Combine this with concurrent economic pressures and you have in the making a “100 year” storm, to use an allegory.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:37amTrumpka and Obama are two of a kind,low lifes,scum,liers,thieves, and both a disgrace to this nation,if they like each other so much then maybe they can be room mates in hell
SimpleTruths
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:37amSo when Bush and Chaney had secret talks with big Corp Gas and Oil interests, that was ok?
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:40am@DocGreen
The coloration of Green has two symbolic meanings for most parts of Islam, first is the fact the home tribe of Mohannad had their standard on a field of green. Next is the part where for the origninal nomads of the desert, green represents the paradise of Allah; the unending green of fields in heaven without ending, and of the beginnings like of Eden.
So, indeed the Code Green hypothesis of yours could be the word for a new beginning based upon the beginning of an eternal garden and paradise as I mentioned above.
Report Post »rodamaa
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:46amLook out guys “Bottom up, Top down, inside out.” has started
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:46amAs in “shocked, shocked that there is gambling going on at Rick’s?”
Bush was once refreshingly honest when he addressed an audience of corporate CEOs and trustafarians as “my base.”
Why should Obama and union leaders not be as chummy?
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:47amThere are members of ‘the enemy within’, that should be tried for sedition or treason.
Report Post »Our tolerance is going to kill us.
Tolerance is seen as weakness, and is allowing the opening the enemy needs.
Dstarr55
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:58amSimple, What does your post have to do with this story? Pointing out past bad behavior hardly addresses what is now going on. Debate the issue and stop with the smoke and mirrors. Defend your Presidents position where a labor leader has such daily access yet his cabinet does not but do not obfuscate. Who is leading who? Wisconsin, and other states, is dealing with labor busing in protestors, interfering with their right to balance their budgets and the President appears to be working against the states. I find that very troubling.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:59amI’d put money on Obama sticking his nose into the Ohio budget battle long before he utters a word about Qadaffi. Trumka is going to be pulling the strings to hae the president’s face on every single state union Bill…. hopefully they are too stupid to realize that it will be political suicide.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:05amBut remember folks, we can counter this by sitting meekly by like peaceful bunny rabbits, complying with the system (”don’t even try to fight the IRS!”) and praying quietly, and occasionally attending rallies where we sing happy song and then politely clean up afterward. These thugs quiver in their boots at our civility.
No, really, they do. For real. Scares the crap out of them. Sometimes, they tell hushed jokes in their mob hideouts because they‘re afraid we’ll hear about it and quietly and peacefully sigh in protest. Yep.
We’re being kept docile, and by the time we sit up and refuse to put up with this in a real way, it will be too late. I’m not stating go out and go shooting, but folks, our methods right now are not working to do more than slightly slow down what’s happening. We need to keep up our protests, but we need new strategies, and we need to get over the fear of non-compliance with government orders/law. Will it work? Dunno, but I do know that continuing to play the game by their rules (which they ignore at will) will lead to nothing less than their winning. It’s a rigged game, and it’s rigged against us docile little meek types and gives every advantage to lawless thugs.
Report Post »rappini
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:10amI can‘t believe that anyone is surprised about this and if they are they obviously aren’t paying attention or are just plain stupid. Ops I shouldn’t have said stupid I meant Liberal or progressive.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:17amJust imagine the civil unrest they have in store for America if Hussien Obama is not re elected in 2012.
Report Post »This is just practice.
ishka4me
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:21amin ct unions part of council 4 afscme almost all of the members detest the large union. They are calling for a march tomorrow in hartford and very few will show up. it is common to have most members say they wish they were not part of the afscme and have tried twice to remove afscme as a union but failed, the government actually assisted the afscme in destroying the popular movement of members to get rid of afscme. my bet this is common across the country. Not only are tax payers held hostage by unions, union members are held hostage by the union also. Here is how it works. democrats make laws to give power to union. Union puts high dues on workers, dues go to union to support and fund raise for democrats, democrats make union friendly rules and regulations, dues go up on union members , union spends more money in support of democrats…….
Report Post »Lotus503
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:22amHere’s what we need to demand from our new Congress:
“….establishment of an office of special prosecutor for Congress, with its head appointed by the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court for a fixed term. The office should have subpoena power, a well-funded staff and the right to convene grand juries and issue indictments. Self-policing by ethics committees obviously does not work.” Dick Morris
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:43amThat is a relief. Considering how much influence rich guys have on state and federal governments, it’s nice to see that this WH still has an open door for the little guy. The Koch brothers heavily funded the WI Governor’s reelection, and they now are seeking payback in the form of union busting, since their companies are highly labor intensive and vulnerable to unionization. The Koch brothers donate heavily and have had great access to many political leaders, including the Bush WH and the conservative justices on the Supreme Court. They buy access in ways that must make Soros truly jealous. But you won’t see that reported here, since Glenn Beck is a huge fan of the Koch brothers.
To the hundreds of people blogging here who will never make $250K, open your eyes. Your interests are not aligned with millionaires like Beck or billionaires like the Koch brothers. Unions fight for people in your income bracket, and they have done much to help US industry. Only fools would throw them under the bus given their similar socio-economic standing in the American economy. Don’t let GB continue to manipulate with such one-sided reporting.
Okieflyover
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:45am@Simpletruths….
Are you one of those guys paid by the Administration to look like someone who supports this BS or are you genuine. Rush exposed the development of software that would allow 1 person to control 10 online personas, including social networking, making bogus accounts from classmates.com profiles and lists of high school attendees, twitter, and Facebook.
Are you real or are you just 1 of someone’s 10 fake profiles and part of the Cass Sunstein inspired propoganda machine? I ask because you have hit on all of the daily talking points. “Everyman”, Koch Brothers, etc.
Yes, some of us are secretly on your talking point memo lists.
It is not hard to do.
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:48am1944: A picture is worth a thousand words.
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:48amComrade B. Hussien Obama is an insignificant, unimportant, byproduct of a misguided experiment in politics by the American people and should only be seen and heard from when required to sign legislation by the Republican/Tea Party repealing, reversing, dismantling, blocking or abolishing every single piece of legislation, directive, executive order, policy or regulation put into effect by the socialist/marxist pigs during his regime.
The fact that he even entertains the Trumka like this is a clear indication that he does not have the United States of America’s best interest at heart (Duh…)
Comrade B.Hussien Obama is a criminal, he purgured himself when he took his oath of office…Definitions:
Socialism: “any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods”…
“a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state”
Marxism: “a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society”
EVERYTHING Comrade B. Hussien Obama has done or his Democrat (Socialist/Marxist) Party has done while in office, ie…Obamacare, Food Safety Act, Financial Reform Act, Net Neutrality, EPA “Green House Gases” mandates, Estate Taxes, …et cetera are by definition…socialist/marxist.
He/They want to punish those evil rich/corporations and take their money away to give to the poor leaving nothing but the people and the government…that equals a classless society…marxism.
He/They want to control every aspect of Americans means of production of goods and services…that equals socialism.
This means that…he knowingly and willfully lied while taking his oath of office as he never intended to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States but rather to subvert and ignore it.
Actions speak louder than words…I don’t care what that filthy pig says…he has said all he needed to with his actions. He shouldn’t be impeached…he should be arrested, charged, tried and convicted of Treason…
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com
opinions…not for the weak nor “Politically Correct”
Report Post »pugsly84
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:54amLooks to me that we have a violation of the sedition act of 1918! Impeach him now!
proudconservative
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:03amABC, have you considered seeking medical treatment for your brain damage? Can you imagine the amount of money this Union Thug paid to receive that kind of access? This just screams for an investigation as you can bet that access to Obama carries a very heavy price. That is how the game is played in the cesspool of corruption where Obama is from and he has taken those ways to Washington.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:04amHEMPSTEAD1944,
What you say is too true. Yet…,those are the people who make up the bulk of Barry Dunham’s base.
Report Post »ABC is already on here saying, “Nanny,Nanny,Boo boo, Bush and Cheney did bad things too.”
walkwithme1966
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:05am“Biden said that you dance with the people that bring you”. Lets be honest here – yes, you dance with people that bring you is true about the Democratic AS WELL AS the Republican party AS WELL AS the Tea Party – they ALL “dance” with special interest groups that gave the money to these parties. The Tea Party as well as the Right all have issues in the game also – so be honest and call this exactly as it is – everyone has a dog in this hunt so stop pretending that it is only the Democratic party and Obama and they are the ones who are the bad guys. You need to do some research and see just exactly what is at stack on BOTH sides. Stop listening the Fox News and Glenn Beck and pull your heads out of the sand and find out what the other hand is doing while Glenn and Fox are telling you only one side of the issue.
http://wp.me/pYLB7-G6
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:06amDOCGREEN, does it make you want to change your name? I must say that makes alot of sense and sounds like something they would do, thinking most people would be too stupid to see what is right in front of them – afterall, Obama did get elected telling us what he would do – and he’s trying.
SIMPLETRUTHS, that’s your best shot? Back to Bush and Chaney? You either need to wake up, pay attention to what is going on right in front of you or change your name to SIMPLEMIND. Your life, as you know it today, is being destroyed. Please get a clue.
Report Post »Okieflyover
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:06amTrumpka goes to WI. White House denounces Governor of Wisconsin. Even before this story above came out, it was exposed that the DNC and White House were coordinating their response to this.
What speed dial number do you think Trumpka is on the Pres’s Blackberry? How often do you think they BBM each other?
Before that, White House basically gives GM and Chrysler to the Unions.
For you yokels that think this has any correlation to the Bush years and having connections in Oil and Gas and Banking……..
I want the President to have connections to business. I don’t even mind him having connections to labor groups. But when our President villifies companies to the extent has and he has worked so hard to destroy our insurance, oil and gas, mining, banking, real estate and venture capital markets as he has…… then there are no industries left to grow jobs. You can unionize all you want but if there are no companies to work for, then there are no jobs for the union members to have.
The only argument I agree with the unions on is the amount of executive pay, but the damage unions have done to our schools, manufacturing jobs, right to work laws, pushing for public ballots in unions and the amount of influence they have in our political discourse on the Left so outweigh the issue of executive pay, I cannot support their agenda.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:13am@ SIMPLE……..your false premise is that people here approve of everything Bush did…..We do not and it is your shortcoming to assume so. I would denounce anyone who makes national decisions based on the influence of self-serving small groups that do not have the best interests of the people in mind. Of course I don’t expect you to acknowledge your faux pas but now your false reasoning is exposed for all to see!!! Thanks again for typing without thinking.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:20am@ ABC…yeah the modern day unions have worked tirelessly for those in the middle income bracket for years bout the same way the mob provides the needed services of prostitution and racketeering. They are corrupt and are ruining the state economies like crazy. And you must be unaware that the private citizens are hardly unionized at all compared to the public sector my friend. It isn’t private companies that represent the vast majority of membership in this country it is public workers rotecting them from who? That‘s right your beloved government and it’s documented abuses of actually thinking that public workers might need to contribute to their own retirement a little seeing how they make significantly more than their private counterparts that fund their tremendously cushy, benefit rich jobs with nice inflated salaries. But then that would be the whole story I wouldn’t expect you to share because it seems to fly in the face of your stated premise.
Report Post »enduro
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:21amI have been waiting for this article on the Blaze
http://www.neoh.net/trumkapig.jpg
check out my trumka pic!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:31amWATCHTHEOTHERHAND, you forgot to explain to SIMPLETRUTH what a faux pas is, might think Bush and Chaney were out shooting animals for their fake fur.
Report Post »_waTson_
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:31amI guess I’d be in White House too everyday knowing that my 400 Million dollar investment is about to go down the toilet.
States HAVE to do what they are doing. The elephants are being exposed in the budget and one of them is the Unions. Here are the last three options:
Option One: Raise Taxes on the “Rich” which is now anyone with two quarters in their pocket and/or Corporations and we all know, thanks to Unions it is no longer reasonable for Corporations to exist in this Country so they outsource, move out, close shop, etc. etc.
Option Two: Cut State Spending (but this still will not do the job alone)
Option Three: Cut the unreasonable and unsound amount of money that we are FORCED by Unions to pay to State Employees.
Another small definition of insanity:
Report Post »State janitor who is found drunk on job several times. Caught stealing. Uses Union to fight to keep his job. Union protects/fights for this man’s job for six years. Meanwile, bad drunk janitor is still employeed by State (taxpayers) his dues are paid by (taxpayers) Unions are fighting with money collected by (taxpayers) then Janitor is finally fired and goes and collects Unemployment (taxpayers) Oy Vey!!!!!
desertkid
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:38amWhy, we could run his blue shirt up the same pole as the blue dress.
Report Post »MOVETERAN
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:42amJust call it as you see it. Trumpka is a commi.
Report Post »StrangernFiction
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:50am“Obama was looking forward to an imminent social revolution, literally a movement where the working classes would overthrow the ruling class and institute a kind of socialist Utopia in the United States.”
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/10/exclusive-transcript-obama-at.html
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:52amyup,,,,,citizens hit the streets in protest,,,,,they waitin’ for it. What better and faster way for them to clamp down and impost restrictions on people.
Report Post »BeerSnob
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:59amIn my best union thug voice
Report Post »“Oh yeah? What are you going to do about it?”
Your answer
“We’ll go to 8/28 rallies! We’ll sing kumbaya! We’ll show you!”
You Ghandi Beck followers got nuthin
THENEWMCCARTHY
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:59amKoch brothers’ daddy did business with Stalin, trained communists. Monopolies of the deregulated Roaring 20s made it impossible for him to start his business in the U.S.
http://www.alternet.org/story/146504/the_roots_of_stalin_in_the_tea_party_movement
Report Post »neverfinal
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:59amPeople are in fear and denial as to what is going on and the take over of our rights. Union Mobster Social/Comm. boss is telling King Obama every move to make. Now the Radical Islam Cleric is calling for Sharia Law on the White House Lawn on March 3, 2011. WAKE UP PEOPLE, get organized. It is your freedom , too.
Report Post »I want to know how this radical is going to enter America. Janet with Homeland Security?? Maybe we could give him a million dollars Mr. Obama, just spread the wealth. You have bankrupt this Country, destroyed jobs, maybe you could print the money or barrow it from China, you are a fool in the highest form and an enemy to America. Led by the nose, by the Com. Union boss’s. Isn’t your bank full enough yet? We know about all your account’s or is it the power you desire.
thepatriotdave
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:02pmAmazing how low both the White House and the Unions have sunk in this country. Speaking for myself, both of them are like teets on a bull!
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »BecksTheMan
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:12pmNot surprised by this in the least. The unions are who got this sorry president elected. They are being paid back tenfold.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:23pmNothing to worry about folks. Its just your run of the mill cabal.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:25pmProud,
I’ll forgive you because you are numbers challenged. However, if you look at all of the money given by all of the unions in the 2010 cycle ($70-80M), it is about 10% more than the Chamber of Commerce declared it gave. The problem is that the 45 MNCs that constitute over 90% of donations to the Chamber for political activity also gave independently of this. Further, it is widely known that the undeclared, unlimited funding of political campaigns made legal by the Citizens case have opened up much more money on the corporate side than on the union side, since they have far less money to donate to begin with. As a result, it is hard to argue that more money is coming into political campaigns from unions rather than from corporations. This should surprise no one, since government policies have consistently favored corporations over unions since the late 1970s. So I have to ask why you only see the unions tainting the political process when both sides are doing the same thing, but the corporations are doing it with more money? You cannot attack unions for political donations while totally ignoring the corporations doing the same thing. That is called hypocrisy…or stupidity. Not sure which applies to you.
Report Post »home_of_the_brave
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:32pm@Sissykatz
The very fact that he is admitting it is very troublesome. As we have been seeing more and more the veils are coming off, either they think they’ve already won or they simply want to stir up the tea party and republicans into a frenzy, hoping we will resort to violence. I don’t think there are any accidents though with this administration.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:36pmWatch,
“@ ABC…yeah the modern day unions have worked tirelessly for those in the middle income bracket for years bout the same way the mob provides the needed services of prostitution and racketeering. They are corrupt and are ruining the state economies like crazy.”
The mob offers services that are illegal for non-market reasons, exacting a huge premium because of the risk involved in delivering illegal services. Unions are legal, so I think your analogy is wrong-headed. You’ll have to explain it better.
“And you must be unaware that the private citizens are hardly unionized at all compared to the public sector my friend. It isn’t private companies that represent the vast majority of membership in this country it is public workers rotecting them from who? That‘s right your beloved government and it’s documented abuses of actually thinking that public workers might need to contribute to their own retirement a little seeing how they make significantly more than their private counterparts that fund their tremendously cushy, benefit rich jobs with nice inflated salaries.”
So you’ve been duped by the propaganda. While it is true that public sector workers are much more unionized than private sector workers, it is not true that public sector workers are overcompensated. There have been multiple economists’ studies showing that when you control for education levels (which you need to do when studying compensation), you find that public sector workers are actually paid less than their private sector counterparts. Further, the “benefits” that you speak of are actually compensation in another form. No one gets benefits, they get paid to work. In the public sector, where average salaries are lower than in the private sector, the worker gets a retirement package to compensate for that persistent underpayment. Now it might be fun and effective for Republicans and conservatives to suddenly call a legitimate piece of the compensation structure that a rational public sector worker is expecting because they earned it something other than compensation; they like to call it perqs or benefits or other words like that, but the reality is that it is compensation that has been deferred to retirement. Stop framing things in untruthful terms. If you are not an economist, go see how they look at the issue, since it is vastly different than how you look at it.
“But then that would be the whole story I wouldn’t expect you to share because it seems to fly in the face of your stated premise”
This is not about stated premises, or political viewpoints. It is about economic reality. Once you adjust for education, public workers appear underpaid. If you take away so-called benefits, a big piece of their compensation since their monthly take-home is lower than in the private sector, then they are even more substantially underpaid. The GOP is seeking to rob these folks of their deferred compensation by lying about what they make. It is done not because Republicans are bad guys, although many are, but because they are paid by corporations that seek to minimize labor costs to increase profit margins to get stock prices up to collect huge bonus and option packages. A very small percentage of very rich guys who stand to get a lot richer can put what is for them a relatively small percentage of their income to work in a way that hurts a lot of families, but which apparently people here care so little about that they do not even bother to get the facts straight.
And I am still waiting for someone who is anti-union to explain Germany’s competitiveness, given its high relative unionization rate in both the public and private sectors. I won’t hold my breath…
Report Post »GreatAmericanBeckFan
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:03pmSISSYKATZ, of course Trumka would say that…he has an ego bigger than Texas and these small minded union thugs love to brag. It gives them a feeling of importance.
This access comes with a price and campaign contributions from the union came right out of the rank and file’s union dues. Obama has sold his soul to leftist organizations like this and these are the only ones he is representing.
He is their president not ours.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:06pmThe headline misses the mark. There is no need for influence when both parties are of the same mind. Collaboration would be the correct term to use when describing this cabal.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:12pmIts time to call a spade a spade………and the hell with being PC
Report Post »O’carter is a trader and should be booted from office
CatB
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:15pmWhite House ….no longer “THE PEOPLE’S HOUSE” … now it is the UNION’S House.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:22pm@ ABC ……you can twist and turn the figures all you want and try to manipulate with “education” BS, but the hard numbers do not lie Public workers earn more than their private counterparts. You like to deal with facts don’t you? Then lets stick with hard numbers. I think you are well educated enough to know that figures and stats are some of the easiest to manipulate to make them say darn near anything you want them to. When you have to start throwing in when you factor in “A” and then look at “B” and well there ya have it public workers are underpaid. you must think we are gullible? Hard facts don’t lie the numbers are out there and anyone with an ounce of honesty can read them for themselves. That’s why even democratic politicians are look to cut wages of public workers my friend. and BTW I answered your Germany question on another post, you can read where you went wrong if you want to. You attribute their economy to the wrong thing, as if unions are the cause of Germany’s export success that is funny !!!! It’s the artificial currency boost they get from being in the EU, why do you think smaller economies are suffering, because they take the hits. Oh and your beloved Germany example…….here is a link why their exports are really succesful and it sure isn’t the unions………………………………………………………..
http://topforeignstocks.com/2010/06/08/falling-euro-set-to-benefit-german-exporters/
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:44pmWatch,
“@ ABC ……you can twist and turn the figures all you want and try to manipulate with “education” BS, but the hard numbers do not lie Public workers earn more than their private counterparts. You like to deal with facts don’t you? Then lets stick with hard numbers. I think you are well educated enough to know that figures and stats are some of the easiest to manipulate to make them say darn near anything you want them to.”
Actually, you must not be educated enough then. There’s this thing called an R-squared, which tells you whether the stats show significant relationships or not. It is true that people lie with stats, but that occurs when the people hearing the stats are too dumb to figure out that they are bad stats. That doesn’t mean that economists using econometric models just make everything up. Only uneducated fools think that.
“When you have to start throwing in when you factor in “A” and then look at “B” and well there ya have it public workers are underpaid. you must think we are gullible? Hard facts don’t lie the numbers are out there and anyone with an ounce of honesty can read them for themselves.”
So cardiothoracic surgeons and janitors should make the same money. Let’s ignore skills and education level and just look at the wage figures. Tell you what, let’s compare what you are making to what illiterate Mexican migrant workers make, the next time you are up for a potential raise, and see whether you like that comparison. You always have to look at legitimate factors to understand what the rational wage level is. Markets do it all the time. You’ve no idea what you are talking about. You choose to ignore educational attainment, since it doesn’t fit the narrative that you want to maintain regardless of the facts. I am not making this stuff up, and I have no vested interest in protecting the unions. I think the teachers’ union is doing terrible things to our kids, but I want to see higher pay for good teachers and terminations for bad teachers. I am not making up total nonsense to support ignorant positions about unions in general. You undermine your own cause when you are so dense about it.
“That’s why even democratic politicians are look to cut wages of public workers my friend.”
I don’t defend Dems anymore than Republicans. Perhaps there are some misinformed members of that party as well.
“and BTW I answered your Germany question on another post, you can read where you went wrong if you want to. You attribute their economy to the wrong thing, as if unions are the cause of Germany’s export success that is funny !!!! It’s the artificial currency boost they get from being in the EU, why do you think smaller economies are suffering, because they take the hits. Oh and your beloved Germany example…….here is a link why their exports are really succesful and it sure isn’t the unions………………………………………………………..
http://topforeignstocks.com/2010/06/08/falling-euro-set-to-benefit-german-exporters/”
I track the EU-USD rate, so I know when currency helps and when it hurts, but Germany has had a much higher percentage of GDP from exports than any other country in Europe even though they all enjoy the same currency benefit when the Euro is weak. What’s more, it is much higher than the US even in periods of time when the USD has weakened against the Euro or (further back) the Deutschemark. Currency has fluctuated a lot over the last several decades, but Germany remains highly unionized and highly competitive internationally through many of those currency cycles. Only a fool would point to the last six months to draw conclusions about Germany’s exporting success. Try again!
Report Post »mdlwoods
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:49pm@ Simple: Are you kidding me? You are still bringing up things that really didn’t happen with Bush and Cheney, while we actually have a President who openly and blatently show us everyday just what he wants and what he is doing? Are you so blind as to not be able to see that your comparison is soo stupid that it really makes you look stupid? Say, just for the sake of argument that Bush and Cheney were really in with big oil and getting big payoffs, etc. Do you actually think that “Big Oil” wants to kill us? Do you actually think that :Big Oil” wants to wipe the Jewish nation from the face of the earth? I have read and heard pure ignorance in my day but, man, you take the cake.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:53pmThe POTUS is supposed to be the president of all of the people, the unions are the only one who has one with Obama. He sure isn’t doing what is in the best interest of America.
Report Post »mdlwoods
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:59pmOMG! I totally apologize to you, Simple! You did not take the cake or the first prize for stupidness and ignorance. ABC has far surpassed you in that. Perhaps you can take some lessons from ABC. No, really, you 2 should really hook up and compare notes!
To ABC: I guess you are just too far gone to the left to realize that your tax money goes to support the unions and that the unions are no longer out for the “little guy” but only out for the Union Bosses who rake in all the money and the power. Did you know, ABC, that when unions were formed and were, for the most part,necessary, the workers were not paid fair wages, could be fired for even being sick, etc. Now, tho, union workers make much more than a “fair” wage, can’t be fired for anything, are now the fat cats raking in all the dough and benefits, while the non-union worker earns a fair wage, usually has to pay for most if not all of his medical benefits, has to pay for most if not all of his retirement accounts, etc. The Unions are now for one thing and one thing only: power for the union bosses. When and if that gets achieved, the union workers will be thrown under the union bus. We have employment laws in place now that make the necessity for unions obsolete. All unions need to go!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:08pmsorry ABC but only a fool would try to give Germany’s export success to the unions. Germany is a highly industrialized society that has been know for their work ethic for hundreds of years. Also to compare Germany socialistic economy and their favorable corporation tax laws to that of the US is foolish to say the least. And your education level example is equally as inconsistent AGAIN because I am comparing public sector employees to their private counterparts not what their education level is to a doctor or PHD. You love to misguide and twist and think because you write long response you think it makes you look like you now what your talking about but I find you inconsistent and misrepresentative of the facts most of the time. And you obviously don’t understand the Euro and how it discriminates among countries. It has nothing to do with the USD and Euro comparisons.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=germany-benefits-from-euro-despite-huge-bailout-2010-07-14
http://www.euronews.net/2010/09/08/falling-demand-puts-brakes-on-german-exports/
And be honest now ABC every one knows that the reason Germany has strong exports is because of their automotive companies strength worldwide. Not because of their unions, Now that takes some imagination to say the least. Your other little dirty secret you don’t want to discuss is how German labor is structured different than American labor.
http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/facts/bl_labour_unions.htm
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:30pm@OKIEFLYOVER
Report Post »Well I really appreciate all the credit you help on me but I hate to disappoint but I am real, and one person. I’m not software (whatever that means), not on any payroll, not representing anyone but myself.
I’m a late middle aged successful small business man, not a big fan of unions, not a big fan of any zealot of any stripe. So be “on to me” all you want – I believe what I believe.
encinom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:35pmWHAT BECK DOSEN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW:
the koch brothers financed walker’s campaign and are multi-billionaire oil refiners from texas who own most of the american energy sector. koch industries averages yearly revenues of $100 BILLION and were the single largest donor to republican politicians in the last election. last year they increased their earnings by $11 BILLION in one year by laying off thousands of american workers across the country. they run several FAKE grass roots right wing organizations including the “americans for prosperity” – which would be better named “americans for poverty” since it’s been documented recently that the koch brothers pocket about 75% of the hard earned money republicans are stupid enough to donate to their organizations.
they’ve gave $5,938,993.00 to republican PACS to finance campaigns, $574,998 to right wing 527 groups, and spent $50,972,700 on lobbyists. they also wined and dined supreme court justices thomas and scalia to get the citizen’s united decision – which now allows them to donate UNLIMITED amounts of money to any politician they want ANONYMOUSLY – basically giving CORPORATIONS to the power to buy ALL of our elections from here on. they almost single-handedly got scott walker, other new tea party governors, and all the tea party congressional members in washington elected. they already own most of the power plants in most states, and last year just in wisconsin they laid off 25% of their workers in green bay. they supported walker BECAUSE they want to buy all of the state’s power plants. they paid for and organized a pathetically small pro-walker protest in madison last week – bussing in hundreds of people and right wing celebrities from out of state, like joe the idiot, er, i mean plumber, andrew brietbart, and the leader of their “americans for poverty” er, i mean, prosperity, tim phillips. they only mustered 10,000 pro-walker demonstrators – who were surrounded by the 58,000 anti-walker demonstrators.
SCOTT WALKER IS A VERY CORRUPT POLITICIAN:
details emerging now show that walker is a politician who was PUT into office by the koch brothers and that they are coordinating his efforts to get their hands on the state owned power plants. we also see very disturbing evidence that walker’s deeply connected to the “butt vodka” private contractors who were forced to leave afghanistan – who he hired to replace all the workers he laid off in his county before becoming governor and ended up costing taxpayers $450,000 when they all had to be fired because they were totally incompetent. he’s also got a whole family of EQUALLY corrupt politicians running both houses of the state working with him in the legislature.
walker is NOT negotiating in good faith. the unions have agreed to give him EVERY PENNY he asked for! wisconsin unions been taking cuts and pay freezes for years in an effort to control the budget after BUSH drastically SLASHED federal funding to pay for his OBSCENE tax cuts and unfunded wars.
less than two months after walker took over the state, according to state records he created the deficit “crisis” by restructuring CORPORATE TAX RATES GIVING CORPORATIONS – LIKE HIS BUDDIES THE KOCH BROTHERS – MASSIVE TAX CUTS. he’s attempting to pass the revenue shortages HE created by his corporate tax cuts onto the backs of wisconsin citizens. so who’s he going to hire to replace the teachers he lays off – more “butt vodka” contractors?
walker‘s already stated that is as soon as he get’s his budget “crisis” bill passed he’s going to ELIMINATE ALL CORPORATE TAXES IN WISCONSIN – shifting even MORE of the financial burden from corporations to the backs of the people of wisconsin.
Report Post »proudconservative
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:39pmYes the union has the best POTUS that money can buy.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:49pmMDL, thanks for the warm words of endorsement. Let’s see whether your argument holds any water, making you a credible arbiter of whether I or anyone else writing here has a clue…
“To ABC: I guess you are just too far gone to the left to realize that…”
I am not a lefty. I take issue with those kinds of people on the HuffPo but under a different alias. You have me confused for one of the blindly partisan types that come here all the time.
“…your tax money goes to support the unions and that the unions are no longer out for the “little guy” but only out for the Union Bosses who rake in all the money and the power.”
There are clearly incentives within unions that help the more senior members and leadership. No question. But the differentials in pay between the top and bottom of a union pales in comparison to the pay differentials between the top and bottom of a non-unionized company. So your critique of unions can be applied ten-fold to the private sector. Both are democratic entities that make their own rules of governance, but you choose to vilify the jaywalker while ignoring the auto thief.
“Did you know, ABC, that when unions were formed and were, for the most part,necessary, the workers were not paid fair wages, could be fired for even being sick, etc. Now, tho, union workers make much more than a “fair” wage, can’t be fired for anything, are now the fat cats raking in all the dough and benefits, while the non-union worker earns a fair wage, usually has to pay for most if not all of his medical benefits, has to pay for most if not all of his retirement accounts, etc.”
What is fair? Is the $100M that Blankfein raked in last year from a firm that would have gone under but for the bailout from taxpayers fair? Is the multi-million-dollar package that CEO‘s now collect on a regular basis while their workers’ salaries have stagnated since 1973 fair? Please stop. Fair is often used interchangeably with, I like it that way. So, I’ll ask you the question: why do you like the wage levels of American workers, which have stagnated since the 70s, while CEO pay has increased at least 20 times?
“The Unions are now for one thing and one thing only: power for the union bosses. When and if that gets achieved, the union workers will be thrown under the union bus. We have employment laws in place now that make the necessity for unions obsolete. All unions need to go!”
Glad you are a mind reader and know that the union bosses just want power (as if Boehner or Walker don’t). Here’s another possibility: the union leaders know that the weakening of unions, starting in the late 70s under Carter, ramped up under Reagan and pursued by Clinton and both Bushes, have coincided with and significantly explained the massive shifting of wages to the top of our companies. Workers’ wages have stagnated in part because of the weakening of unions. And the idea that American companies cannot compete with unionized labor is simply false. Look at Germany.
I have heard the conservative refrain many times before, so I know that tune already. The problem is that it fails to fit the facts. Unions were the reason that greedy capitalists (equity owners) couldn’t exploit workers back in the day, and they remain the key impediment to that kind of behavior today. Only someone dull enough to think that greed is no longer the vice it was years ago would argue, without proof, that unions are no longer important in curbing corporate leaders’ avarice. HP now hires Foxconn to supply labor in conditions that would have been declared appalling in this country in the 20′s, but the unions are powerless to hold decent manufacturing jobs in the US. And the “fair” conditions of non-unionized labor, while better than what exists in China, leaves many people without any money for savings, catastrophic health insurance or the rest of it. There is a large and growing underclass in this country that is being left behind. And corporations do not care about whether the average Joe can find a job, afford health care or the rest of it, since they are programmed to maximze margins and returns, not maintain a competitive labor force. And while that is probably not their role, such demands on behalf of the worker need to be made…by unions and those elements that support them.
We need a middle class to hold onto our democracy. And we need manufacturing jobs to hold onto the middle class. And we need a stronger commitment to labor and its training and equitable treatment to be competitive in those manufacturing jobs. Germany is the model, and we should follow it. By the way, no less a leading light than Andy Grove has argued from a similar perspective. Check out what he has had to say:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_28/b4186048358596.htm
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:53pmEncinoM, nice post. But expect it to be totally ignored by GB’s fans. Inconvenient facts are never a problem to their way of thinking. I do not know how their brains can handle the cognitive dissonance, as they draw attention to union dollars helping Democrats while ignoring much larger sums going to the GOP.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:56pmabc,
If I wasn’t such a gentleman, I would have to verbally lay down the truth about what you posted and say something like .. You sir are an ASS! But I am a gentlemen, so…
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »gofigureinternational
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:03pmUnions have been as much to blame for losing the manufacturing industry to foreign countries as NAFTA or Clinton was in granting China “MFN” status. Secondly, many were not any happier about Bush 2’s spending as they are about the even more bloated spending of BHO. 2 wrongs, as they say, do not make a right. The progressives on both sides of the isle have nearly weakened this country beyond repair!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:03pmMOVETERAN
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:42am
“Just call it as you see it. Trumpka is a commi.”
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I wish I could write a post with the same flair. Your post was short and sweet, and most importantly… truthful. In 11 short words you were able to knock down anything that ABC, and his team, have said over and over and over. Thank you.
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:08pmDave,
Since when is the definition of a gentleman someone who is unable to make a counterargument, but instead someone who claims he doesn’t insult while doing exactly that? You have a very different definition of gentleman than I do, and you offer lame reasons for not making rational, fact-based arguments. But thanks for playing…
Report Post »El Jefe
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:12pmIs that Webster’s dad?
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:14pm@Grandmaof5:
He also has control of the DoJ with Eric “The Panther” Holder. When the DoJ does not prosecute blatant racism in the Black voting district against white voters you know that there is a problem at the top.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:18pmwell ABC seems someone has removed my responses to your last post. I am not going to try to retype it. I still find you inconsistent in the information you report. You did the same thing when we debated abortion and you tried to tell my a physician about human development and you twisted and distorted the factual reality to support your position and find you do that in many other posts as well.
Report Post »FNGRNFAN
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:25pmYea I find it odd the president with so many clear ties to organized cri… I mean unions, socialist, and in some cases cummunist organizers thats not an impeahable offense. At the very least a conflict of interest in a republic.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:25pmyou would have to a single digit IQ? you mean “you would have to have a single digit IQ”.
Report Post »you should cut off your hands before you type something else stupid.
weeblewacker1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:35pmo.k my turn to agree with around 95% of the beck-heads on here when it comes to most people in unions are all“scum”“commies” “lazy” “free-loaders”ect,ect. but what caused my sudden turn-around? simple. i did what mr.beck says. i looked it up for myself. and lordy,lordy! guess what i found out? MR.GLENN BECK,MR.BILL O’REILY,MR.RUSH LIMBAUGH, ARE ALL IN A UNION!!!! don’t believe me? go check out the A.F.T.R.A.-A.F.L.-C.I.O.!!!!!! hmmmm.and it looks like all three where or are running for union office positions!!! now,this is funny!! these 3 all members in good standing of American Federation of T.V. and Radio Artists-A.F.L.-C.I.O.!!!!! i just have to post this in the other blogs here,and a few other sites.
Report Post »FNGRNFAN
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:42pmThats real clever Clive
Report Post »you must be one of those teachers ditching work today.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 3:46pmHey WEEBLEDORK….do a little more research and you will find that GB was a write in joke just as was Frank Sinatra. You are weak !!!!!!!!
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:04pmTrumka is so secure in his position with Obama that he feels it sis safe to go public because there is not a dam thing we can do about it. So he thinks. Trumka is suppose to spearhead the revolt by the unions to give Obama the excuse he needs to seize total power using a so called emergency. If we do not demand he resign immediately he will ultimate accomplish his goal of destroying this country. Do you now see why he has tried to stop most domestic energy production. Gas will be well over $4 a gal by July if the Med east unrest continues. Just look at the price jump today. Look at what happened to the stock market today. The more unrest in this country the close Obama comes to accomplishing his assigned mission. Destroying the US gov’t.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:09pmI just got an email from oregon virtual academy…the unions are after our homeschooling program…march 8th there will be a protest here…anyone living in Oregon and believes in homeschooling…please be in Salem…
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:36pmWatch, it’s not nice to put words in my mouth. The abortion debate had to do with IVF, and what I said is accurate, since my wife has witnessed this stuff first hand at Man’s Greatest Hospital (MGH). As for your response that I cannot read, I’m not sure how to respond to that. Either way, it shouldn’t be too hard to refute my facts if they are refutable.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:55pm@ ABC ….not sure what your talking about “read”. I never said you couldn’t read. You tried to state before that there was really no difference between an embryo (known properly as a blastocyst in development terms when the embryo has undergone cell division) and an “early term” fetus (that was your term not sure what stage of development that is). I pointed out how exactly wrong and misguided that opinion was because it sure was not based in medical fact. But you used it to try to make your point and it was an inappropriate and inaccurate description. It is not factual.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:18pmFirst They came… – Pastor Martin Niemoller
First they came for the communists,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Above is the poem Beck often mentions, but never quotes. Funny how the groups Beck demonizes are the same. the Communists and the Trade Unionists. Also, lets not forget Beck and his quarrel with the 400 Rabbies, the statement today about the Reform Jewish leaders, and his statements about Soros.
To the Beckerheads why do you stand on the wrong side of history?
Report Post »mill
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:27pmOBAMA NEEDS TO be questioned about this…publically.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:28pmThe New York Times has revealed President Bush’s Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson frequently spoke to the CEO of his former company, Goldman Sachs, as the federal government was deciding whether to bail out the failed insurance giant AIG. According to a copy of his calendar, Paulson spoke with Lloyd Blankfein, Goldman’s chief executive, two dozen times during the week of the AIG bailout last September. On September 17, Paulson and Blankfein spoke five times. The government eventually agreed to lend $85 billion to AIG, which used the money to pay off Goldman Sachs and other big banks that were financially threatened by AIG’s potential collapse. Paulson served as Goldman Sachs’s CEO prior to becoming Treasury Secretary.
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abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:42pmWatch,
“sorry ABC but only a fool would try to give Germany’s export success to the unions.”
And a bigger fool would mistate what I said. I said that Germany’s labor unions are certainly not an impediment to its export success, which is the recurring refrain in the US about this country’s manufacturing sector. I didn’t state, but I do believe, that Germany’s labor unions are part of its success, but I never said they were exclusively the cause, as you imply here.
“Germany is a highly industrialized society that has been know for their work ethic for hundreds of years.”
So, German’s work hard, while Americans are lazy? Please.
“Also to compare Germany socialistic economy and their favorable corporation tax laws to that of the US is foolish to say the least.”
Do you even know what corporate tax rates as a percentage of GDP are in Germany? I’ll give you a hint, they are comfortably higher than ours… And now that “socialistic economy” in Germany is a benefit to their export sector that we cannot emulate? Why? Because GB is falsely claiming that it spells the destruction of America’s economy and democracy? Now my head is starting to hurt…
“And your education level example is equally as inconsistent AGAIN because I am comparing public sector employees to their private counterparts not what their education level is to a doctor or PHD.”
It is not an example. It is a REQUIREMENT to make apples to apples comparisons of wages across sectors. You would fail stats AND economics in one felled swoop with your logic. You cannot compare the cost of 100% orange juice to Kool-Aid, and you cannot compare the average private and public sector wages without adjusting for education level, since the latter sector has on average much higher educational attainment. I know that it hard to accept, since you have been brainwashed to think that the government is at best incompetent and at worst evil, but that is a fact. And that is why every economist who knows what they are doing, makes the education adjustment, and on that basis public sector wages are lower. it isn’t a sleight of hand. It’s how you do the analysis. Wow. I’d be embarassed if I were you.
“You love to misguide and twist and think because you write long response you think it makes you look like you now what your talking about but I find you inconsistent and misrepresentative of the facts most of the time.”
Nope. You love to assert that factually wrong statements are true. What you attribute to me is what you are uniquely guilty of.
“And you obviously don’t understand the Euro and how it discriminates among countries. It has nothing to do with the USD and Euro comparisons.”
Those two statements are totally in conflict, but it’s not even worth trying to explain why anymore. By the way, I traded on a fixed income and currency desk for two years, so unless you are a professional economist, you likely know less than I do about it.
“http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=germany-benefits-from-euro-despite-huge-bailout-2010-07-14″
Wow. A weak currency boosts exports. Stop the presses. This is news. Of course, even when the Euro is strong, Germany is a powerhouse exporter. Guess what? Intelligent people look at the German exports on a normalized basis with respect to currency, which can be done either looking at long-run averages or what interest rate futures would predict. These are imperfect measures, but that is all one has to work with. But no one would say that all of Germany’s export success relates to a weak currency. No one except for you, apparently.
“http://www.euronews.net/2010/09/08/falling-demand-puts-brakes-on-german-exports/”
Wow. Falling demand can slow exports. Again, stop the presses. I guess this means that Germany is not an export power afterall…
“And be honest now ABC every one knows that the reason Germany has strong exports is because of their automotive companies strength worldwide.”
Everyone doesn’t know that, since there are other important export segments for the Germans, like capital goods and chemicals. But here’s the thing that blows the real hole in that line of thinking…the automakers in Germany are unionized. And, here’s another little tidbit, for the Muslim-bashers in this crowd. A plurality of workers on the MB line are Muslims from Turkey.
“Not because of their unions, Now that takes some imagination to say the least.”
Nope. The point (for the last time) is that the claim in the US is that the unions have destroyed industry, destroyed our public services sector and have made us non-competitive because they demand above-market wages and show total inflexibility. Yet the organization of our unions is similar to those in Germany, except their unions are more pervasive (more populated) and have more power. And yet all of the ills of US unions that supposed killed manufacturing here have not plagued Germany one bit. This argument is very different than your fake claim/strawman argument that Germany export prowess is exclusively due to the unions. I don’t know how to make it any clearer than that.
“Your other little dirty secret you don’t want to discuss is how German labor is structured different than American labor.
http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/facts/bl_labour_unions.htm”
This article doesn’t highlight how German labor is “structured” differently than US labor. It is an encyclopedia-like entry explaining the major unions over there. That’s it. Since I lived there for two years and have a good friend practicing labor law in Munich, let me fill you in on it… The German union members do have better collective bargaining rights, and they have negotiated better contracts. But they do it through the same mechanism that all labor unions do: negotiations with the threat of strikes. You’ll have to explain the differences you mean, since the link you cite contains none. But those better rights have not undermined manufacturing in Germany, which maintains high productivity, high wages and still ships products everywhere from expensive Norway to dirt poor India and China. Unions are not an impediment to exports and good manufacturing jobs to support a healthy middle class. The conservative narrative on this is totally bankrupt and dishonest.
Still waiting for a cogent argument. Seriously.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:47pmWatch,
FYI, I think that since we are allowed to pull the plug on brain-dead people, we ought to be able to do the same on developing embryos that share that brain-dead status. Just my opinion, not the law, which focused on viability outside the womb, but the timeframes are pretty close, as a coincidence. Against that assumption, there is no difference between a blastocyst and a first-trimester fetus, so I wasn’t stating a mistruth. The medical data is quite clear that no human-like brainwaves come from a fetus in the first trimester, so if you are focusing on human consciousness, then there is no difference between a blastocyst and the fetus at any point in the first trimester. I hope that helps. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth or calling me a liar, when I’ve done no such thing.
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:01pm@ABC, Encinom and the rest of the clueless…
1st) Your arguments fall on deaf ears. Nothing you can say or do will convince any real American that anything the left does is acceptable. Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/Progressive/Unionist…better known as Democrats are evil, are un-American and do not belong in this country. This country was founded for freedom. The ideals and priciples of the founding of this country are best described as “Americanism” which is, at its core, completely opposite of everything the left believes in. The left (Democrats) believe in and push for “Big Government”. The Constitution says “Limited Government”. The Left believes in “Social Justice”. Everyone else in the world calls that “Socialism”. Democrats pander to the poor and minorities…it is in their best interest to keep the poor and minorities down in order to keep thier voter base up…if the poor become rich, if minorities become successful…they have no voters. Democrats are fundamentally un-American.
2nd) Republicans aren’t perfect. Republicans saw what happened in 2008 and realized that they have strayed off course. Hopefully, unlike the Democrats, they have learned their lesson. The American people spoke loud and clear in November 2010, we spoke clearly to the left (Democrats) that we do not want the socialism/marxism agenda that they are pushing and to believe any different is totally stupid.
3rd) The difference between the left and right/Democrat and Republican is that although the Republicans/Right get it wrong sometimes they mean well. The Democrats/left however, are knowingly and intentionaly trying to destroy the Republic so that they can rise up from the ashes and institute a socialist/marxist utopia…good luck, that will never happen in the United States. There will be another civil war before that happens and, as luck has it, the Right are the ones with guns and know how to use them…unlike the liberal, wussie, anti-gun left who will merely be targets. That is the reason the left wants gun control/ban…because they know this and are afraid from the outcome of that civil war if real Americans still have guns.
http://explodingpuppy.blogspot.com
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:10pmONLY blithering idiots DON’T know OBAMA is behind this.. COME ON.. Even DEMOCRATS who were in denial are awake.. and NOT liking it.. I have a sister who flip flops like a fish half out of water.. NO matter what is going on she DOESN’T see the light..
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:19pmKaen,
Wow. I seriously thought you were doing a parody of the right since that was so over the top, but then I got to end and realized that you actually believe all of that BS. Please tell me that your humor is just that subtle. Otherwise, you get the GB Gold Star of the day for the blogger who is most full of it. Seriously full of it. So please tell me you’re joking.
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:20pmWhat if….Prez is holding back….biding his time – THEN opens up our oil reserves and saves the day….?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:24pm@ABC you posted
To the hundreds of people blogging here who will never make $250K, open your eyes. Your interests are not aligned with millionaires like Beck or billionaires like the Koch brothers. Unions fight for people in your income bracket, and they have done much to help US industry. Only fools would throw them under the bus given their similar socio-economic standing in the American economy. Don’t let GB continue to manipulate with such one-sided reporting.
Amen I agree 100%, they saved the Bush tax cut and now they DEMONIZE teachers
Report Post »who make 54,000 a yr. Hank Paulson pays his shoeshine boy more than that.
USAMama
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:37pmTo all above defending the unions, just remember this is the guy who was on video talking to the European Democratic Socialists about a global income tax. Do you still defend him, knowing he is a Socialist pushing for a global government? Do you really believe he is looking out for the “little guy” in America? When they get what they want you will be squashed right along with the rest of us. You are nothing more then “useful idiots”.
Report Post »MOVETERAN
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:45pm@encinom/abc
Report Post »Please do me a favor. Next time you 2 have a thought, just let it go. Thinking doesn’t seem to be your strong point. Somewhere between your brain and your mouth the signals get all jumbled up and it comes out garbage.
Kaen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:58pm@ABC
Ok…with all of your worldly knowledge…please explain to all of the real Americans how the Democrat/liberal/socialist/marxist/progressive agenda is “American” and the correct course for America. But first, lets take a look at, by definition, what Comrade B. Hussien Obama and his little piggies have done/want to do:
Socialism: “any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership or administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services”…
“a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned or controlled by the state”
So please oh wise one…explain how, Government control of healthcare (Obamacare) doesn’t fit the definition of “governmental ownership or administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services”?
How about how S 510, Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010 doesn’t fit the definition of socialism when it “would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God.”? And places not only unwarranted regulatory powers of food in government hands but adds criminal stautes to offenders of this criminal socialist law.
I could go on and on…list every single piece of legislation, every executive order, every regulation imposed on the American people by Comrade B. Hussien Obama and his little piggies and EVERY SINGLE ONE meets the definition of Socialism/Marxism.
How about Comrade B. Hussien Obama’s friends…huh? What are they saying/doing? Calling for revolution/civil unrest? For what? Oh…for the fall of the Republic, the United States of America so that it can be remade into that distorted lunacy of a socialist/marxist state that they all want and that the rest of the world is realizing doesn’t work…examples?…Yes…I have those too:
Van Jones: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/inside-out-van-jones-grab-the-whip-run-the-plantation-take-media-power-from-mean-dumb-republicans/
Piven: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/
SEIU and others: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chilling-video-openly-rooting-for-revolution-the-left-calls-for-american-civil-unrest-riots-francis-fox-piven-lib-talkers-journalists-van-jones-rev-wright-english-protest-leader-etc/
So there…you see…you are wrong…you will always be wrong, you do not deserve to call yourself an American because you’re not. You sir…and the rest fo your socialist/marxist pig friends and sympathizers in the United States are nothing more than United States citizens…that does not in any way, shape, or form make you an American which…is what this country was founded for…Americans.
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:05pmWhile not a huge fan of Bush, I could care less about his connections with “big oil” and “big business” because those people aren’t actively trying to socialize and destroy America. This guy is a socialist (works with European Socialist Party), Andy Stern is a communist (SDS member) THAT is the problem. If they were truely just good intentioned Americans looking out for the little guy that would be OK but they aren’t, the circles they run in are well known around here so who are you trying to convince? We know better, we do our homework, we know who these people are and what their agenda is. Its called “Cloward and Piven: A Strategy to End Poverty” and its been in play for a long time, this is the final stage.
IN case you unaware, in a nutshell it is this: get as many people on the gov’t payroll as you can, demand more and more entitlements til you break the bank and the gov‘t can’t afford it anymore and has no choice but to make cuts to entitlements, then you get your people out in the streets protesting and causing “manufactured chaos”. When things get out of control, violence erupts and chaos reigns, the average American will cry out to the gov’t to make it stop. Only by this time, you have your own people in place so that they come in with the pre-conceived solution: Communism.
Make no mistake, they knew they would get a “shilacking” in this election, that was part of the plan. That is why they pushed all their big spending bills through and shoved it in our faces, got people fired up and angry. Thats why Pelosi walked proudly through the protesters with that big gavel while they stole our freedoms right out from under us. They loved the Tea Party, they only hoped it would get violent but we’re better then that, but they loved that we were “angry”. They knew we would vote people in to balance the budgets and then they could just get their own people to riot. They don’t care if its the left that eventually gets violent, as long as it happens. This is all part of the plan.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:14pm@ ABC….I didn’t call you a liar I said you misstated a medical fact by trying to falsely rely on brainwaves to equivocate your statement. It is false. Of course a 1st trimester fetus doesn’t have brain wave activity like adults. It’s rudimentary brain is developing and it does have electrical impulses as early as 8 weeks after conception. Just as in this case you dabble in providing false information or slighted information to gird up your retorts. Unfortunately for you, your statements are NOT based in medical fact but rather a justification by falsely using “brain waves” to equate a fully developed adult who has suffered an injury to a developing fetus whose neurological system is in the process of developing. You are just dead wrong on this fact and will not concede the point because you were relying on it to justify abortion. Just as you want to assert your economic prowess and how you know more than I. I am afraid your in my area now and I would assert the same thing you did unless you have a medical education degree and have practiced for 13 years I think I know more about this than you do. BTW nice retort on the German unions I will accept your info. and I may have misunderstood your premise that you were giving credit to the strength of German export to the unions. That is still crazy to suggest in my opinion, but your info is helpful. However, it really is a side track from the issues of unions here in this country and what they are doing that is wrong and harmful to state economies. And regardless of what you are stating about public sector salaries compared to private sector salaries the “hard” numbers don’t lie.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm
http://reason.org/news/show/public-sector-private-sector-salary
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/private-vs-public-sector-pay/
I am sure if you got your info. from the Rutgers study you would be quick to concede that your argument was only half truthful even according to their study because what you failed to state was that public workers with less education are almost compensated double what their private counterparts are. Nevertheless, the problems and bias of that study are most definitely suspect…..
http://sanity.blog-city.com/do_public_employees_really_make_less_than_private_sector_emp.htm
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:24pmKaen,
Since when do food inspections constitute “control” of an industry. Last I checked, Kraft, General Mills and other food manufacturers didn’t see their stocks tank on the announcement of the legislation to which you refer. That‘s because control of those companies wasn’t transfered from the equity owners or the corporate executives empowered to manage the companies on their behalf. So either you are grossly misinformed, or the stock market is populated with idiots. I‘m guess it’s you.
As for the rest of the rhetoric or the links to the Blaze.com, it’s not even worth talking about. Your claims about the Food Modernization Act are so off base, it really undermines your credibility on everything else. Especially when you are attempting to claim that I am not an American. Your posts are so over the top that they are funny, except when I remind myself that your vote counts as much as the rest of ours, and you are so far off the reservation. If you think that ownership of means of production and regulation of private companies are the same thing, then go to China and see how much fun drinking melamine in your milk is or enjoying chromium in your water is, or worrying about the 35% of drugs that are mislabeled and do not contain what they contain. China is officially socialist, but its regulations over its private industry (i.e., the companies that the government chooses not to control) are most certainly much more laissez-faire in the sense that you long for. Or go to India, which has many of the same problems.
How did we come so far that we now call the people who protect us from dangerous products evil or unAmerican?
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:34pmIgnore the trolls on here (aka ABC and the like), its a waste of time. If there is someone you think could actually still be saved go to them, let the ones working against America fall where they may, they have chosen their side.
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Report Post »brado9505
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:48pmObama SUCKS!
Report Post »Kaen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:51pm@ABC…
I‘m guessing that you didn’t read S 510…I’m guessing you missed the part where the federal government now has regulatory rights over your back yard garden. I guess you missed the part that makes sharing your food that you grew in your back yard garden a felony without proper government authorization. It isn’t about Corporate food companies…oh wait…for you it is…those guys are the evil rich…lol
I‘m guessing that you haven’t read the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution and if so, completely missed the substance. Point is, you and the rest of the left are wrong when it comes the the United States of America. You and the left will always be wrong. Might as well pack up and leave to a place more in line with your ideals because…that crap isn’t gonna fly here no matter how many protests you all have, no matter how many rallies you all have. You all need to sit down, shut up, and get out of the way so that we real Americans can repair the horrific damage your kind has caused this country over the years.
Report Post »GEETAR
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:22pmLive Free or Die is the motto where i come from, The young redneck boys who havent been brainwashed by the left will be the next patriots in our country.They still stand for what us older guys stood for.AS SKYNRD says God and guns
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:33pm@Kaen
You are lost, you have allowed BEck and others to pollute your mind to the point that you parrot their paranoid conspiracy.
Compared with European Socialists, it is laughable to call the President that. In Europe he would be considered a right of center moderate.
As for calling the left and those that hold differing view unamerican, that in and of itself in unamerican. The nation was founded on debate, not conformity. Jefferson debated the Constitution and voted against its ratification. Washington supported a strong central government, as most of the Federsalists did.
You arguments are devoid of any historical context. It was the left they brought about women’s rights, civil rights, etc. Was MLK unamerican? What about JFK or LBJ? The term unamerican herolds back to an ugly time in America, the red scare, the black lists and a reactionary congress man that destroyed lives because he was afraid.
You need to listen to Beck and do your own research, away from the Blaze, challenge yourself go to a liberal website.
Kaen
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:02pm@Encinom…
1st) Although I have watch GB on occasion, I really don’t watch him, Hannity, or anyone else much at all…I don’t need them to tell me what I can see for myself.
2nd) As for your “Historical Context”…the details of what went on prior to the ratification of the Constitution is irrelevant…what is relevant is the final product. And as far as MLK, JFK and the rest…Democrats weren’t always bad but, the poisonous cancer of the liberal/socialist/marxist/progressives that have taken over the Democrat Party are.
3rd) As far as calling anyone with differing views un-American…differing views are one thing, differing views are ok but, what the modern day left (Democrats, et cetera…) are calling for IS un-American…goes against the Constitution and what America is all about so…yes…they are un-American.
4th) As far as challenging myself to visit a liberal website…no thanks…they have no substance, nothing worth listening to, nothing worthwhile to contribute to this country and…and…I can see just by watching the news just how out of touch they are…clueless parasites…nothing more.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:15pm@ABC
There have been multiple economists’ studies showing that when you control for education levels…you find that public sector workers are actually paid less than their private sector COUNTERPARTS. [Emphasis added]
… So cardiothoracic surgeons and janitors should make the same money. Let’s ignore skills and education level….You choose to ignore educational attainment…”
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I’ve said this before, ABC, you have two salient flaws. First, your arguments are usually incoherent. After you have made a controversial statement, you then contradict yourself and make it seem like the incongruity is coming from your contender. The above excerpts from two different comments exemplify your recurring incoherence. A janitor is not a surgeon’s counterpart. So if you want to be taken seriously, give a valid example to support your claim. Otherwise, you should consider posting only once. Your diarrheic claptrap irritates my brain, and unfortunately it is visible to all of us due to this blog’s rustic format.
Second, as you have been told repeatedly by others here, you never get around to proving your assertions. For example, you failed to convince us of your initial claim that public sector workers earn lower wages than private sector ones. As usual, instead of providing proof, you resorted to shoddy generalizations such as, “there have been multiple economists’ studies,” or “it is widely known.” Didn’t your profs teach you that your arguments are worthless unless you can back them up with verifiable sources?
You did cite an article that explained the job model you favor, and given the paucity of sources from you, I decided it was worth checking. Much to my surprise, I found myself assenting to Grove’s main points, until I got to Page 2. Then I read this:
“…the cost of creating U.S. jobs grew from a few thousand dollars per position in the early years to a hundred thousand dollars today… The obvious reason: Companies simply hire fewer employees as more work is done by outside contractors, usually in Asia.”
There you have a prime example of liberal fallacious reasoning. No wonder we are in the dumps. This idiot cannot, nay, will not properly assign cause and effect. Grove states that the cost per position is now in the six-digit range BECAUSE “simply” companies are hiring less here and more abroad. Actually, it’s the other way around. Companies are hiring less here and more abroad BECAUSE the cost per position in America has gone through the roof. How do I know that? It’s common sense, or as you deftly put it, “economic reality.” Why would someone take their business to the other side of the world, unless it was cheaper there? However, the liberal spin is required, because if we dig a little further, we might come up with one of the major culprits: the freaking unions, yes.
After conveniently switching cause and effect, Grove does point the liberal finger at the big bad wolf, to wit, the free market (yawn, dude). It appears he was too young when he fled Hungary, since he has nothing but praise for a regime that uses its sheeple as robots, and its political dissenters as slaves. But what’s a “spate of suicides,” anyway? Spare us the minutiae, libs. As Grove notes, all that really matters is that “the GOVERNMENT plays a strategic role in setting the priorities and arraying the forces and organization necessary to achieve this goal” (i.e., scaling). So scale away, ObyeMe. Obamacare will defray the cost of the caskets.
I’m not anti-union, pal; just anti-commie. And here’s what those MF do once the little guy has voted the commie elites in, and they consolidate power. They make the little guy miserable for life. So scr*w Obama’s commie-infested unions. As for you and your hero, please move to China. That’s where all you libs belong. You don’t deserve to live in a free country.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:29pm@ KRYPTONITE….AMEN I have been saying this for weeks. I had heard ABC was supposedly half way smart so I would go to task challenging him for a while I gave him the benefit of the doubt but after inconsistency after inconsistency it gets a little obvious that he doesn’t deal in facts as much as he likes to appear to do. He is contradictory and fallacious when retorting to comments so much anymore that I think I will probably just leave him alone. He gives half truths and slighted information then likes to arrogantly state you can’t understand his brilliance when you call him on his contradictions and false suppositions or “facts”.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:43pmNOTE: “…praise for a regime that uses its sheeple as robots, and its political dissenters as slaves” is a reference to China, not Hungary.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:06amencinom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:33pm
“@Kaen”
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ENCINOM, it is you that is lost. You wouldn’t know the truth if it ran you over. But have no fear, you will most likely grow out of it, as most pro-American adults do.
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:11amweeblewacker1,
What’s your point? Everyone here has known for a very long time that those men are in Unions. Not all the rank and file is bad, but their leadership is!
In fact, those idiots protesting in front of Fox News today were protesting a Union shop. Morons!
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:21amHow could you be a president and never speak to half of your cabinet? Has it always been this way?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:30amABC
“China is officially socialist”
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Not according to the CIA world of facts site. Our CIA mails them as what they are… COMMUNISTS!
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 5:06am@ABC
…here’s another little tidbit, for the Muslim-bashers in this crowd. A plurality of workers on the MB line are Muslims from Turkey.
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So what’s your point? Muslims get the lower-echelon jobs, and Germans are tired of those leeches refusing to integrate. Here’s what Merkel stated recently:
” Germany’s attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country’s immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.
“This approach has failed, totally,” she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany’s culture and values.
“We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don’t accept them don’t have a place here,” said the chancellor.
“Subsidising immigrants” isn’t sufficient, Germany has the right to “make demands” on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages…” http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101018_germany_and_failure_multiculturalism
You gotta admit, the woman has a pair.
Report Post »HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 10:53amOkay ABC answer this:
What is one of the BIGGEST reasons companies leave the US?
Of those jobs lost, what percent were unionized?
How is it non-unioned manufacturing (take the Southern auto industry) can even exist, if you’re argument is that Unionization is needed for healthy Capitalism?
When I go to the store for apples and I grab a bag and in the bottom of it, there are 3 or 4 rotten ones, I will go to the open bins and pick the apples I like and I’m happy to pay more. Cobbling GOOD employees to bad ones costs, companies and states money. Governor Walker is NOT trying to take away wages, he’s trying to open the table up for communities (who are about to get a cold slap in the face even if this goes through) to shop the open bins to save money (mostly on NOT being forced to buy into the UNION created health care plans which cost $30K per employee) or to at least have a chance to pick the better apples if they so desire. No one wants to lose their job in this economy, but the public worker, tax payer relationship is symbiotic. When people move away because of tax rates, then the demand for public service moves with them. Public service jobs are not a global commodity per se. They are local ones. My living and working where I do, generates the demand for teachers, police, etc. Our state has lost a lot of private industry and due to double reporting, we are in serious danger of losing a lot more. Sick days, health packages, etc all cost money. Collective bargaining costs even more money! Work stopages, strikes, negotiations, attorney fees, etc all jack up the price of having union workers. Not to mention the hours and hours of wasted time for officials to negotiate. Governor Walker is offering to remove the furlough days, keep wages in the collective bargaining, and limit lay offs. I’d think in this climate it would be a NO brainer….but then I’m no teacher. You want a job? Or do you want to keep the ability to have the union argue for the job you won’t have? You choose.
Rumor has it IF Walker gives back the auto due payments…….the Unions will call off the protests and tell the members to get to work (some already have). I‘d say that’s a pretty good look at what they are really all about.
Report Post »The next to last american president
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 3:22pmall of this are coming true in the book “the next to last american president” currently at iuniverse isbn 9781450292887. Glen Beck speaks and I listen and learn.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 3:45pmKaen,
“I‘m guessing that you didn’t read S 510…”
I’ve read the abstract and commentary on the law.
“I’m guessing you missed the part where the federal government now has regulatory rights over your back yard garden.”
The Supreme Court long ago stated that the Commerce Clause gives the federal government the right to regulate that garden, even if its produce never leaves the state (Filburn). There was no expansion of government power in the recently passed Food Safety law..
“I guess you missed the part that makes sharing your food that you grew in your back yard garden a felony without proper government authorization.”
Not quite, since there is a small farmer exemption in the law that the big food companies are fighting. They say it reduces food safety, and they could be right. But freedom fighters never worry about food safety, just their theoretical freedom to start selling what they produce in their backyards.
“It isn’t about Corporate food companies…oh wait…for you it is…those guys are the evil rich…lol.”
Funny, they are the ones complaining about exempting little farmers. According to your argument, the corporate food companies are the ones stomping on your freedom. Do you really know the issues here??
“I‘m guessing that you haven’t read the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution and if so, completely missed the substance.”
Hardly, I studied under the very same ConLaw professor that Obama did. He is one of the top two or three in the country.
“Point is, you and the rest of the left are wrong when it comes the the United States of America. You and the left will always be wrong. Might as well pack up and leave to a place more in line with your ideals because…that crap isn’t gonna fly here no matter how many protests you all have, no matter how many rallies you all have. You all need to sit down, shut up, and get out of the way so that we real Americans can repair the horrific damage your kind has caused this country over the years.”
Got it. So when you calm down, maybe you’ll see fit to reinvoke our citizenship. Does it hurt your head when you call Obama a dictator and liberals intolerant, but then claim because we disagree with you, even for reasons that are well established in law or fact, that we cease to be Americans?
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 4:01pmKryptonite,
“@ABC: ‘There have been multiple economists’ studies showing that when you control for education levels…you find that public sector workers are actually paid less than their private sector COUNTERPARTS. [Emphasis added]
… So cardiothoracic surgeons and janitors should make the same money. Let’s ignore skills and education level….You choose to ignore educational attainment…’
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I’ve said this before, ABC, you have two salient flaws. First, your arguments are usually incoherent. After you have made a controversial statement, you then contradict yourself and make it seem like the incongruity is coming from your contender. The above excerpts from two different comments exemplify your recurring incoherence. A janitor is not a surgeon’s counterpart. So if you want to be taken seriously, give a valid example to support your claim. Otherwise, you should consider posting only once. Your diarrheic claptrap irritates my brain, and unfortunately it is visible to all of us due to this blog’s rustic format.”
There is no conflict, only your confusion. Here is the logic from the right: public sector workers enjoy an average salary 44% above the average salary found in the private sector, so they must be overpaid. Here is the problem with that logic: higher pay coincides with higher education, and public sector workers are on average more educated, so they may not be overpaid. Comparing the average public sector worker to the average private sector worker is like comparing a college graduate with 15 years experience to a high school graduate with 5 years experience, so which one makes more. Now, you can accuse me of a little hyperbole in my example, but the point is consistent. You cannot compare apples to oranges and conclude that the higher priced oranges are mispriced. That should be obvious and certainly consistent. Hopefully, you’ll think about it long enough so it becomes clear.
By the way, I think I have clearly stated that allowing wages to be negotiated but benefits to be controlled by the state would lead to underpayment.
“Second, as you have been told repeatedly by others here, you never get around to proving your assertions. For example, you failed to convince us of your initial claim that public sector workers earn lower wages than private sector ones. As usual, instead of providing proof, you resorted to shoddy generalizations such as, “there have been multiple economists’ studies,” or “it is widely known.” Didn’t your profs teach you that your arguments are worthless unless you can back them up with verifiable sources?”
While Google is easy to use, it is fair to demand sources. In fairness, I did post the sources elsewhere, but I will post them again here:
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/publications/reports/wage-penalty-state-local-gov-employees/
https://www.msu.edu/~drdale/Publications/Public%20Sector/The%20Truth%20About%20Public%20Employees%20%20Overpaid%20or%20Underpaid.pdf
http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf
http://economy.ocregister.com/2010/10/19/study-calif-s-public-workers-not-overpaid/42882/
There are many more, but that is a good start for you.
“You did cite an article that explained the job model you favor, and given the paucity of sources from you, I decided it was worth checking. Much to my surprise, I found myself assenting to Grove’s main points, until I got to Page 2. Then I read this:
“…the cost of creating U.S. jobs grew from a few thousand dollars per position in the early years to a hundred thousand dollars today… The obvious reason: Companies simply hire fewer employees as more work is done by outside contractors, usually in Asia.”
There you have a prime example of liberal fallacious reasoning. No wonder we are in the dumps. This idiot cannot, nay, will not properly assign cause and effect. Grove states that the cost per position is now in the six-digit range BECAUSE “simply” companies are hiring less here and more abroad. Actually, it’s the other way around. Companies are hiring less here and more abroad BECAUSE the cost per position in America has gone through the roof. How do I know that? It’s common sense, or as you deftly put it, “economic reality.” Why would someone take their business to the other side of the world, unless it was cheaper there? However, the liberal spin is required, because if we dig a little further, we might come up with one of the major culprits: the freaking unions, yes.”
No. That is an assumption that you are making, which is wrong. And it is amazing that you would call Andy Grove a stupid liberal, since he is a billionaire co-founder of the entire semiconductor industry and one of the two or three most important industrial innovators of the last 50 years. His point is that companies have a whole host of reasons to add workers outside the US, including the fact that other companies they rely upon have moved their manufacturing there, they want to be closer to emerging new consumer markets, the tax codes are different and require a presence there, the environmental laws are very lax, etc. Grove also is smart enough to know that the biggest contributor to unemployment in the US is actually technology, with globalization being a secondary cause. But you think that everything the man believes on the subject is captured in one article and can be gleaned from a single line. Nice critical thinking there. Grove didn’t make the statement you did for a reason: he would think your statement false. But go on and try to put words in his mouth, while alternatively calling him stupid.
“After conveniently switching cause and effect, Grove does point the liberal finger at the big bad wolf, to wit, the free market (yawn, dude). It appears he was too young when he fled Hungary, since he has nothing but praise for a regime that uses its sheeple as robots, and its political dissenters as slaves. But what’s a “spate of suicides,” anyway? Spare us the minutiae, libs. As Grove notes, all that really matters is that “the GOVERNMENT plays a strategic role in setting the priorities and arraying the forces and organization necessary to achieve this goal” (i.e., scaling). So scale away, ObyeMe. Obamacare will defray the cost of the caskets.”
Yep. Amazing. One of the smartest men in Silicon Valley agrees with Obama and not you, so he must be stupid. Gotta love your logic.
“I’m not anti-union, pal; just anti-commie. And here’s what those MF do once the little guy has voted the commie elites in, and they consolidate power. They make the little guy miserable for life. So scr*w Obama’s commie-infested unions. As for you and your hero, please move to China. That’s where all you libs belong. You don’t deserve to live in a free country.”
You are also apparently anti-labor, since you think that the state should be allowed to hand out tax cuts to the rich, while forcing working folks to give up their right to bargain collectively even when there is no proof that they have earned anything other than a market-determined wage. And, by the way, I do deserve to live in a free country, but you are making it less free by seemingly agreeing with the actions of the WI Governor.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 4:03pmWatch,
“@ KRYPTONITE….AMEN I have been saying this for weeks. I had heard ABC was supposedly half way smart so I would go to task challenging him for a while I gave him the benefit of the doubt but after inconsistency after inconsistency it gets a little obvious that he doesn’t deal in facts as much as he likes to appear to do. He is contradictory and fallacious when retorting to comments so much anymore that I think I will probably just leave him alone. He gives half truths and slighted information then likes to arrogantly state you can’t understand his brilliance when you call him on his contradictions and false suppositions or “facts”.”
A lesson for you. Facts are not opinions. And asserting unsupported opinions is not the same as asserting facts. Now, you have repeatedly stated that my writing is rife with inconsistency, but you have failed to show that in any particular example. Either produce the inconsistency or give it a rest.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 4:05pmKrypto,
“@ABC
…here’s another little tidbit, for the Muslim-bashers in this crowd. A plurality of workers on the MB line are Muslims from Turkey.
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So what’s your point? Muslims get the lower-echelon jobs, and Germans are tired of those leeches refusing to integrate. Here’s what Merkel stated recently:
” Germany’s attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country’s immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.
“This approach has failed, totally,” she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany’s culture and values.
“We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don’t accept them don’t have a place here,” said the chancellor.
“Subsidising immigrants” isn’t sufficient, Germany has the right to “make demands” on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages…” http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101018_germany_and_failure_multiculturalism
You gotta admit, the woman has a pair.”
Merckel is of course entitled to her opinion, but she ought to inform Mercedes Benz that its multi-cultural factory floor is a failure…especially since it hasn‘t hurt their auto sales or Germany’s exports much.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 4:08pmHugging, c’mon. Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said that unionization is necessary for the success of companies or plants, like the Toyota plant in Tennessee or the BMW plant in South Carolina. I said that it doesn’t hurt companies or plant operations in the way that the right wing claims it does. Germany is a perfect example of this. There is much difference between those your statement and mine. Just think about it for a little while.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:56amYou think that the Wisconsin protests are just unhappy Wisconsinites? think again.
these clips from ABC World News, article By DEVIN DWYER Feb. 18, 2011
“DNC Chairman Tim Kaine also reportedly spoke with Wisconsin union leaders and state legislators ahead of the protests, the Huffington Post reported, signaling his direct involvement in coordinating the effort.”
and also
“According to news reports, the White House has even unleashed the Democratic National Committee to spread disinformation and confusion in Wisconsin regarding the governor’s courageous actions,” he said. “I urge the president to order the DNC to suspend these tactics. This is not the way you begin an ‘adult conversation’ in America about solutions to the fiscal challenges that are destroying jobs in our country.”
Now, I wonder if a certain Union LEADER of, say, the AFL-CIO, who frequently visits the White House and speaks to a certain individual had anything to do with pushing this kind of thugery???
What do you think?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:14pm“Now, you can accuse me of a little hyperbole in my example, but the point is consistent. You cannot compare apples to oranges and conclude that the higher priced oranges are mispriced. That should be obvious and certainly consistent. Hopefully, you’ll think about it long enough so it becomes clear.”
You did it again (aforementioned flaw # 1). Who compared apples to oranges? YOU. Read what you write, so it becomes abundantly clear.
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“And it is amazing that you would call Andy Grove a stupid liberal…”
I did not. I called him an “idiot” and later, a “lib”. “Stupid liberal” is a redundancy.
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“His point is that companies have a whole host of reasons to add workers outside the US, including the fact that other companies…”
Are we playing the chicken and the egg game here? Who came first, “companies” or “other companies?”
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“… they want to be closer to emerging new consumer markets, the tax codes are different and require a presence there, the environmental laws are very lax, etc.”
Flaw #3: You inject your own knowledge into what the author of a given article actually says. That is a common flaw among bad readers. Again, here’s what Grove actually said:
=> “Companies simply hire fewer employees as more work is done by outside contractors, usually in Asia. [T]hese economies turned in precedent-shattering economic performances over the ‘70s and ’80s in large part because of the effective involvement of the government in targeting the growth of manufacturing industries. Consider the “Golden Projects,” a series of digital initiatives driven by the Chinese government in the late 1980s and 1990s.”
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“But you think that everything the man believes on the subject is captured in one article and can be gleaned from a single line. Nice critical thinking there.”
I am critiquing the article on its merits, a regular practice among good critical thinkers.
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“Amazing. One of the smartest men in Silicon Valley agrees with Obama and not you, so he must be stupid. Gotta love your logic.
ABC, there is no proven correlation between ideology and intelligence. To clarify, he’s an idiot because of his ideology. I actually believe Grove is highly intelligent, and Obama is utterly dumb.
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“…while forcing working folks to give up their right to bargain collectively…”
Collective bargaining, as applied by commie-infested unions, is synonymous with thuggery. The reason Obama is desperately looking for a way to impose card check is that he agrees with imposing worker unionization. Once workers are forced to join unions, they have no say on what is done with their union dues. Second, collective bargaining allows the bad apples to keep their jobs.
Like I said, I am not anti-union. I supported the unions in Poland during the Soviet occupation. They were the organized force from within the country (they did have outside help, of course) that drove the effing commies out. That is why it is stupid to bring up Germany. Every country has its own socio-political forces that create a unique dynamics at a given time.
Let me finish by saying that like ANY OTHER CONSERVATIVE, I agree with everything Grove says about the importance of scaling, and how it is crucial to job creation and global competitiveness, but has practically disappeared in America. However, I don’t agree with his postulations as to the causes of and solutions to the problem. As I said before, it is a matter of ideology, not brains.
Now to your sources:
Source #1: First, Schmitt admits the stats are on our [the conservative] side:
==> “…[T]he data suggest that in 2009 state and local workers on average earned almost 13 percent more than workers in the private sector (see the first column of panel (a)), which is consistent with media reports that find higher public-sector wages. This public-sector wage premium was about the same for state (13.2 percent) and local (12.6 percent) public employees…”
He also gives the basic reason for the skew in level of education:
==> “One reason for the high level of education in the public sector is the strong concentration of EDUCATIONAL OCCUPATIONS in state and local government employment” (39% and 50%, respectively, if you round up the numbers). [Emphasis added]
Thanks for being honest, lib. Oh no, here comes the spin! BUT we must adjust because they are “better educated and older.” NO you don’t. The reason most of these workers have higher-education degrees is that the gimme govt. doles out taxpayers’ money for their “professional development.” So don’t adjust in the negative, please. It’s a win-win situation both in relation to their educational status and wages.
==> “[S]tate and local employees are also consistently older than private-sector workers. In 2009, the typical (median) private-sector worker was 40 years old, compared to 43 for the typical state employee and 44 for the typical local government employee.”
So??? There is no correlation between age and work experience. Why did you cite this crappy source? Schmitt should have given years of experience, not age (although I acknowledge that the leeches stay on since it becomes a life-long tradeoff of fabulous perks for loyalty to the govt, and/or unions. That leads me to my third point: A college degree does not mean you are “better educated”. Too many educators and other public-sector workers (emphasis on the “too”), are able to get MAs and PhDs without ever improving their skill level or performance. You may be the product of some of those lamebrains, unfortunately.
Source #4: This source also fails to provide job-to-job & degree-to-degree comparative data, e.g., PhD teacher in the private sector compared to a PhD teacher in the public sector, but at least there is a breakdown by degree. Also, you shouldn’t use CA as proof. It is just one state. But since you did, there are contradictions between the two sets of stats. The table included in this article shows that:
==>”Workers at the lowest education and pay levels tended to do better in the public sector… Those with the highest educational attainment — doctors, attorneys, professional employees — earned less than the private sector.”
Thanks for your honesty, lib. Here’s where it gets fuzzy: The “lowest education and pay levels that do better” according to this table includes workers with Associate’s Degree and under. However, according to the CPS, roughly 71% of the workforce 25 years or over falls in the bracket of Associate’s Degree or under. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0228.pdf
Thus if you want to extrapolate CA stats to all states, that means that those public-sector workers you libs claim earn less for whatever reason comprise only 29% of the overall workforce. See the problem?
I was going to congratulate you for improving your argumentative skills by providing sources, but two of the sites are not secure and therefore not verifiable. The other two don’t prove your claim that public-sector workers actually earn less than their private-sector counterparts. That’s a very bad start for you, dodo.
P.S. I love MB, but Angie’s right. Those Husseins are always bad news. Wait and see.
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Posted on February 27, 2011 at 12:18pmI am asking all PSU Alumni to call the Board of Trustees at Penn State and request the Trumka be removed from the Distinguished Alumni. He was voted in in 2010. If this what PSU values in thier alumni; then maybe it was not the University we all excepted and should not support them. Considering there are more alumni that are more deserving of that honor!
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