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Should Abortion Be Illegal Once a Heartbeat Is Detectable?

Should Abortion Be Illegal Once a Heartbeat Is Detectable?Across the country, Republicans and Democrats are wrangling over proposed changes to state abortion laws. On Tuesday, the Ohio House of Representatives voted on a measure that has the power to transform the state’s — and the nation’s — abortion dialogue. In a landmark move, the House voted 54 to 43 to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat becomes detectable to doctors.

The measure, known as the “Heartbeat Bill,” has been touted by Republicans in the state, with the majority of them voting affirmatively for its passage. There has been no shortage of controversy surrounding the proposal, as a heartbeat can be detected as early as six weeks (by some accounts, it can be found even earlier). Also, the measure does not include exemptions for rape or incest, but it does include one for the health of the mother. Reuters has more about this intriguing legislative initiative:

If enacted, the law would be a challenge to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling which upheld a woman’s right to an abortion until the fetus is viable outside the womb, usually at 22-24 weeks.

Republican Ohio House Speaker William Batchelder said he knows this bill will face a court challenge.

“We’re writing bills for courts,” he said.

Batchelder’s statement reinforces the notion that this measure may have a profound impact. It‘s an attempt to turn a corner in America’s (and Ohio’s) ongoing abortion debate. Back in February, I first reported on the Heartbeat Bill for Human Events, explaining this in detail:

Rather than protecting only those fetuses that lay at or above the seven-month threshold, the measure would protect human life in its earliest and most prenatal form.  Interestingly, this bill uses the heartbeat as the litmus test for life.  If proponents are able to pass this legislation and get their case in front of the Supreme Court (pending pro-choice groups challenging the law—which they will—and pending the high court agreeing to hear it—which may not be as likely), it would be a tremendous opportunity to reframe abortion’s legalities.

Below, watch a report from WCMH-TV:

As can be expected in debates surrounding abortion, Democrats were mostly opposed to the bill. According to The-Daily-Wooster.com, Bob Hagan, a Democrat from Youngstown, said:

“You should feel uncomfortable about this vote. This is about the rights of women to make a decision about what their life will be. … Barefoot and pregnant, that’s where they want you.”

Others, like Rep. Nickie Antonio, said the Heartbeat Bill would endanger the lives of women:

“Women will die…This bill does not leave any room for the unknown, for the unimagined, for the heartbreaking things that happen through the course of a woman’s pregnancy, through the course of a woman’s life.”

While the Democrats have shown their concern over the bill’s impact on women, Republicans largely have pushed the measure as a result of more conservative beliefs and views on the beginnings of human life. Conservatives believe that the heartbeat is a sure sign of life and that, once it is detected, a child should be protected (though many believe that life begins at conception, the heartbeat is a measurable test that indicates “life”).

The House also passed two other anti-abortion measures. One bans abortions after 20 weeks if a doctor determines that a baby can live outside of the womb, while the other excludes abortion from coverage under the state’s insurance exchange (created under President Obama’s health care law).

Now, the bill is headed to the state Senate and, if passed, to the governor to be signed. But, even if it clears these hurdles, years of court challenges are ahead. That in mind, Republicans appear ready and willing to enter these legal showdowns. Let the games begin.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:36am

    We can’t create life, so we shouldn’t be allowed to take life.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:50am

      We can create life. It’s called “having sex”.

      So we have your permission to take life now. Thanks dude!

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    • srfnvet
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:52am

      I understand what you are saying but does that count for the death penalty? BTW, I am against abortion and approve of capital punishment.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:32am

      SRFNVET – Great! I’ll kill when it suits me, just like you.

      “Thou shalt not kill. Unless of course I’m upset about something.”

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  • dantom
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:31am

    Abortion is the religon of the Democrats its the altar they worship at.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:09am

      I‘d call it more of a smoke grenade that both parties use as a bargaining chip so people don’t talk about actual important topics.

      Also, I thought evolution was the altar of the Democrats? Find a consensus, you people!

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  • TexasStu
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:31am

    The left hates to kill people who kill but a innocent child is fair game for killing….once again I see pure evil.

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    • becauseitmatters
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:47am

      They care more about turttle eggs than human life. I could never be one of them.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:28am

      So the 10 Commandments are up for interpretation? They’re situational? Thanks for clearing that up. How are you going to defend that on judgment day??????????????????????????

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    • becauseitmatters
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:37pm

      The 10 commandments are not situational. If you go back and study what the words meant in the origional languages, it says that you shouldn’t murder (in the first degree to be exact). Duh, but I wouldn’t expect you to have figured that all out. You’re just trying to distract and use faulty logic. I won’t be replying about this again. Can‘t waste my time on people who want to use arguements that don’t hold water.

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  • singray
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:29am

    Of course life begins at Conception. without Conception there would be no life. The Abortion debate is not about life, but conveinance. It’s about not being held accountable for your actions. As the woman says, it’s about keeping you bare foot and pregnant. I wonder who she means wants that. Isn’t she responsible for perventing or allowing this to happen. Typical Progressive mindset. It’s someone elses fault. If you rationalize statements as this you can see the total lack of common sense involved in them. Our society is turning into one with tape recorders between their ears.

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  • srfnvet
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:28am

    Isn’t it amazing that all of the people that are for abortion have already been born?

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  • Treaty
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:24am

    The debate should be that science must prove the exact moment that it goes from non-life to life. It has to be defined to the day and it must be defined uniquely for every woman/unborn child. They can’t just say “it becomes life in the third trimester” because what if you were off a day or a week? You’d be murdering an unborn human. Fact is they can’t define when life begins at any time other than conception. And anyone that terminates a pregnancy is guilty of taking another human beings life no matter how hard that may be to accept. Any other argument is just an attempt to sooth a guilty conscience.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:14pm

      What exactly is life?It’s a mystery.We know the properties of living beings and things and how living beings and things function but we can’t say what life itself is.But we can say that biologically the zygote produced by 2 humans is a human [zygote].Then it proceeds to a embyo, fetus, baby,child,adolescent,adult, old age.This is what humans look like..Scientifically [biologically] they’re all human,what value we give humans if any at each state is up to us.The value that life is a good and recognizing that life is desired by all already living things compels us to acknowledge that and in solidarity with our shared humanity extend the right to life to humans at whatever state they’re in[recognizing of course that a clump of cells is not a person though already a living human -this is what human looks like at that state.Life is a good thing and our laws should promote life as a good thing especially human life.

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  • Jeremiah 23
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:22am

    Ask GOD

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:28am

      I did. Got the answering machine. Apparently he’s not taking calls any longer. Maybe I should ask Joseph Smith. I hear he’s on Twitter.

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    • dantom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:29am

      Amen ask GOD.

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    • becauseitmatters
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:44am

      I did. I read His word. Thou shalt not kill. Enough said.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:50am

      Because it Matters . . . So you’re against the death penalty? Good. That’s a start.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:10am

      “Thou shalt not kill.”

      What’s your stance on war and capital punishment?

      Just… out of interest.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:42pm

      Thou shalt not kill is for the innocents.
      An eye for an eye is for the guilty.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:47pm

      Why are liberals appalled by the thought of gently and humanely putting a filthy murderer to sleep and enamoured by the thought of violently ripping a living child from his mothers womb?
      Seems like you have it bass ackward.

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  • godhead
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:17am

    Abort all conservative babies. Sterilize all Fox News employees. It’s the only chance this great nation has to move forward instead of backward.

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    • becauseitmatters
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:43am

      No intelligence here.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:52am

      Move foreword like Greece? Liberals will never get it. At least through abortion liberals are killing off themselves.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:57am

      “I‘m funny ’cuz I said something bad about Fox News.”

      Godhead, those rubber sheets you use need a changing.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:01am

      Blackhawk1 – Ain’t that just like a conservative – always defining themselves against the worst example. You should raise your standards. Challenge yourself a bit more. Try to contribute to society through a little hard work. Trust me, it’s good for the soul.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:02am

      Mandors – Right you are. I should have stuck with Michelle‘s arms or Barack’s ears.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:11am

      Sadly, working at Fox news is not hereditary. :(

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  • Not Quite
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:17am

    Ug!
    The article quotes, “This is about the rights of women to make a decision about what their life will be…” Women do have a right to make a decision. This is not about making a decision but living with the consequences of your decision. If I choose to rob a bank and get caught I can’t say “This is about my rights to make a decision about what my life will be”. I made a bad decision and now I have to live with the consequence. We have a right to make a decision, we don’t have a right to choose the consequence.

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  • NJTMATO
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:17am

    @ Momprayn
    Agreed. I was dubious about rape and incest at first, however, when I watched an interview with the young woman who worked on the Planned Parenthood undercover sting, (unfortunately, I can’t remember her name)…she explained how many women are coming to understand that even if they were raped, it is a crime of violence and why would you want to repeat violence on another life? I found that to be a compelling argument, especially the way it was posed. There is always adoption if you really can’t go through with raising the child from a rape…there are many people who would love to adopt an infant

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  • Rillobymorning
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:15am

    The woman had a “right” to say no. The woman made a “choice” to have unprotected sex. As a woman, myself, I believe this is a good bill, which will at least eliminate late term abortions, as if abortion should be used at all, as a form of birth control. I still believe there are consequences for our choices, and should the consequence for a bad choice be pregnancy, there are millions of folks looking to adopt.

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  • elkslayer
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:13am

    I have a hard time with incest. For the sake of the mother. I just don’t know.

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    • becauseitmatters
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:41am

      Choose life, choose adoption.

      Would be better to suffer 9 months, than to suffer the guilt of killing a baby ( a baby that is half yours).

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    • elkslayer
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:03am

      I hope that I didn’t imply that I was the father. I don’t even know anyone in this situation . Your reasoning is good.

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  • AmericanTruthSeeker
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:02am

    How far will a collective vote get you on Judgment day????!!!

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:23am

      Like you know the answer to that.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:13am

      That‘s why he’s using like fifteen question marks. He’s ASKING us.

      Duuuuh.

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  • the zipper
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:57am

    Hey NoMercy63,
    As horrifying as rape and incest are you cannot make an exception for that. The baby, regardless of who/how it was created is a separate human being. Should we hold children responsible for the crimes of their mothers?

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    • Dios es grande
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:17am

      My feelings exactly Zipper! Why rationalize? The issue is black and white. More importantly, we should understand God’s view: “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life,.. Exodus 21: 22,23.
      No mystery regarding how God views the unborn!

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  • Rob
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55am

    I heard my son’s heartbeat at a eight weeks… it was 160 bpm…. HE WAS ALIVE!

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55am

    Such an amazingly easy call…Once the sperm hits the egg, you got life. Next topic please.

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  • jim
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55am

    Now we’re slipping down the slope of defining when life begins… and ranking the bodily functions in terms of what determines life; a) heartbeat? b) brain wave activity? c) limbs and spine forming? d) size of fetus, or month of development?

    There are an infinite number of angles to quibble over… all scientifically justifiable.

    However, the ultimate answer is that life begins at the moment of its INCEPTION… which means any abortion at any moment in the process of life is murder. That’s the only rational conclusion to a pro-life stance. To be pro-abortion, one must be ready to defend abortion at any stage of fetal development… you cannot pick and choose between brain wave activity versus heart beat… the abortion of a fetus is fair game at any stage, if you are pro-abortion.

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    • Amy
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:00am

      Great point, Jim.

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:06am

      Jim, while I agree with you, we will not just wipe out 100 years of slowly moving people to the left in one year. Margaret Sanger started the abortion move, at first to kill off the minor children. Yes she was an evil B1tch and we are finally starting to wake up to the truth. Take each victory of every battle as the military did in WWII… as one step closer to the end of destruction.

      To say it as clearly as I can; Satan, I am on to your little game. Stand behind me Satan for the Lord ‘I AM’ is the one true God and I am just his servant. Be gone with you.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:19am

      Just curious, did you mean inception or conception? As I understand it, “inception” would be when someone has a sex, regardless of life conception or not… unless there’s another meaning?

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    • docmd
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:55am

      I totally agree LIFE begins @ conception !! The womens body is hers but who gave her life ? GOD did and it against his will that women have abortions . Only GOD gives life and only HE can take away life!

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  • grannyjojo
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55am

    Yes! There should only be extremely few exceptions where it would be permissible. The “fetus” IS a human life and should be treated as such. I firmly believe life begins at conception. There are a lot of women who use abortion as BIRTH CONTROL. There are too many ways to avoid conceiving, these “women” should use them instead of being LAZY. “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”

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  • Amy
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:52am

    Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness. If I know some woman’s had an abortion – I cannot trust her and would not befriend her. Selfish people are usually phony hypocrites.

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  • ConstitutionalPatriot
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:51am

    Imagine that, the people who claim that a ‘fetus is not alive are now claiming foul when it is shown they were lying all along. Not to belittle the truth, but to use an old song lyric: “A heart beat is a love beat…”, and yes Virginia a Heart beat means life!

    Finally some intelligent life is seen in government, Thank you OHIO!!

    Oh, . . . and for the Abortion rep talking about litigation, what is the argument? That a heart beat is not a sign of life? You better tell all the Doctor’s that… After all the LACK OF A HEART BEAT is how you call the end of life in the human body!

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:25am

      I think you’re misunderstanding the pro-choice argument. It’s never been “the fetus isn’t alive,” it’s that “it doesn‘t matter because until born it’s up to the mother, no one else.” It’s not a moral view, but it’s foolish to argue against something that no one is actually saying.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:37am

      Locked
      Then it should be OK if I choose to kill my son. He is dependant on me for everything, his food his lodging, his clothing, his education. If I have the right to kill an unborn child (since we all agree they are alive) why not just agree that I have the right to kill a dependant child if he is inconvenient? He is 14 years old but I think I can still take him.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:42am

      @Kate

      I’m sorry that your son still gets nourishment from you through an umbilical cord at 14 years old. That must be awkward to explain to other parents at school!

      On a serious note, I am not making this argument – I’m simply pointing out that making false arguments (strawmen, as they are commonly called) is foolish. Patriot’s comment is why the pro-life movement is so often ridiculed. If we can’t even correctly identify pro-choicers’ arguments, how can we be taken seriously?

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:33pm

      Locked
      The very best way to close down a discussion is with childish insults. The bottom portion of your comment though, completly agrees with the point I was trying to make. No, my child is not connected to me by an umbilical cord but that does not mean he is not dependant on me. Don’t think there are not people out there who believe that a mother has the right to murder their child after birth. Look at the Anthony trial. There are people arguing that mothers should never get the death penalty for murdering their children.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:06pm

      @Kate

      Or you can shut down a discussion with over-exaggeration, like saying you should be allowed to kill your 14 year old son because you provide for him? Your response makes it sound like you think pro-choice proponents are advocating exactly for that. I’ve certainly never met one; I’d be surprised if you had. As I said, if we want to have a reasonable discussion and not be ridiculed, it helps to be reasonable and not ridiculous. Making strawman arguments fails to encourage reasonable argument.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:32pm

      Locked,
      Clearly I was making a point about the right to kill a living child. Partial birth abortion kills children who can live outside the womb. And yes, I have heard abortion advocates that say it should be OK to kill a child up to twentyfour months of age. True those viewpoints are from extremists, but once upon a time abortion was consdered extreme.
      We all get it, you know what a strawman arguement is. You don’t have to tell us in every post.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:42pm

      Sorry Kate, not trying to offend – just hoping to make the false arguments stop happening.

      In the end, I think we can agree that if you’re truly “pro-life,” you don’t think abortion is ever justified. The only bartering chip is with another life – if the mother-to-be is in imminent danger of death. Otherwise, being pro-life means no abortion should ever occur. Rape, incest – there is no excuse when life is held to be sacred and of paramount importance!

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:58pm

      Agreed. I am pro life and I don’t think it is EVER OK to abort a child. Just my opinion.

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:56pm

      LOCKED: No you did not understand the sarcasm, Why is it that a woman can decide to end a life, you have admitted to it right here it is alive meaning it is life, when a man can not end his ties to his created life until it is 18 yrs of age? Why is it that a woman can kill a life just because… hey, screwed the wrong dude, man. Give me the vacuum quick I have a date tonight with possibly the right dude.

      Yes it is sick, not just my analogy but the mind set of its OK to kill a child.

      Let me ask everyone this; when Hitler was in the womb, would you have thought it OK to abort him? How about Jesus? What if it was Henry Ford, or Stalin… maybe Charles Manson. Heck it could have be Mother Theresa. The truth is no one knows but God himself. So what gives anyone the right to play God?

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:18pm

      @Patriot

      What sarcasm? You said “The people who say a fetus is not alive”… it’s not sarcasm, it’s either ignorance or a lie. I’m hoping ignorance.

      I understand your point for sure, I just don‘t want you to cut your own legs off by spouting off stuff that’s blatantly false.

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  • Amy
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:47am

    Ouch Spanky. That’s cruel – but I’m sure you were kidding.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:52am

      .
      Wink, Wink…..no I most likely ment it…What did I say again?……

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    • Amy
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:56am

      Are you French, Spanky? …only if a Conservative woman.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:03am

      .
      No I ment that. Fewer Democrates = fewer Morons, and more clean air for the rest of us…..

      You just have to think of it as Going Green………..

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:52am

      Yes, that lump of cells is a baby. We all know it’s best to abstain, but today‘s girls think it’s natural to have sex. God help ‘em to know the truth. Sucking out a lump of cells is murder whether you agree or not. Just remember, God always knows his children and we’ll all stand before God on that day.

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  • grandmaof5
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:43am

    How about not stupid and pregnant! In these times there is no excuse for a woman getting pregnant, therefore, she must be doing it on purpose. Or let’s say there is a 99.9% chance she shouldn’t get pregnant.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:54am

      I agree GRANMAOF5 .. all this talk of “choice” .. you have a choice — don’t want a baby … don’t have unprotected sex .. or …. for 100% works everytime … abstinence.

      I am sick and tired of people calling murder a “choice”. You have the choice BEFORE you get pregnant!

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55am

      One of the fed’s dirty little secrets is that abortion is used by welfare recipients as birth control. You see the fed doesn’t pay for birth control, but does pay for abortions. I know of several girls under the age of 24 that have had multiple abortions, the highest one was 23 yrs of age and had 17 abortions already! Most of them in private consultations explained that they do it this way because birth control would cost them to much!!! Please America push this Bill to all your State Capitol’s as soon as possible…

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:04am

      @AMERICAN

      Abstinence doesn’t cost them anything .. unless of course they are in the “oldest profession” and then why should I be paying for heir twelfare. Taxpayers should not be paying for abortions either. Defund Planned Parenthood … unless and until they stop performing abortions.

      BTW .. don‘t tell me they can’t do abstinence … many others including myself have. (and I LOVE sex)

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:13am

      That was for CONSTITUTIONALPATRIOT above (not “AMERICAN”) .. oh and btw .. where does it say in the Constitiution or anywhere else that the TAXPAYER should be paying for anyone to have sex?

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:46am

      “don’t want a baby … don’t have unprotected sex”

      No form of contraception has a 100% success rate.

      ” or …. for 100% works everytime … abstinence.”

      Sexuality is a normal human desire. Deal with it and don’t push idiotic christian morals on other people, tia

      “I am sick and tired of people calling murder a “choice”.”

      I’m sick and tired of people calling a lump of cells a baby.

      Seriously. Don’t want an abortion? How about that:

      Don’t have one. Don’t infringe on the rights of other people. Don’t be that guy.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:56am

      @ERABIN

      How about ANY MORALS? .. since you seem so afraid of “Christian ones” .. I didn’t bring morals into it you did .. but why do those who PUSH abortion expect everyone else to pay for them?

      A rutting pig .. might not be able to practice abstinence .. but we are supposed to be higher beings with more control. Some of us are.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:28am

      @Catb

      “How about ANY MORALS? .. since you seem so afraid of “Christian ones” .. ”

      Abstinence and no sex before marriage is a religious, baseless moral mostly practiced by Christians in America. Having sex is natural and I feel sadness for anyone who sees a natural desire as something immoral or something to be ashamed of.

      “I didn’t bring morals into it you did .. but why do those who PUSH abortion expect everyone else to pay for them?”

      It is illegal to pay for abortions with tax money. All abortions provided by, for example, Planned Parenthood, are provided by donations or the women themselves.

      Read the above sentence. Read it twice. I EXPECT you to respond to this post with this phrase: “I have read and understood that it is illegal to pay for abortions with tax money” Because people here seemingly can never get that into their heads.

      “A rutting pig .. might not be able to practice abstinence .. but we are supposed to be higher beings with more control. Some of us are.”

      Why should anyone go against their very humanity and their desires and needs as a living being and practice abstinence? It‘s unnatural and I personally find instilling people with the idea that it’s a moral thing to do highly immoral in itself. Leave abstinence to priests and live your life like a normal, sexual human being because you only get one.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:31am

      Erabin
      So you are another person who thinks it better to kill another living person than to take responsibility for your actions.
      I am a single mom. I got pregnant out of wedlock. My boyfriend took off when he thought I was pregnant. I took responsibility for my actions.
      I tell you this so you know that I come from a place of experience in this matter.

      Getting knocked up does NOT give you OR me the right to kill the unborn. I was going to have my baby and give him up for adoption, I wound up falling in love with him the first time I heard his heartbeat. Keeping that baby is the best thing that happened to me. He was never just “ a mass of cells” to me.

      Thou shalt not kill.
      We have to have a law protecting these babies, there are too many women using abortion for birth control. I wonder what all these abortions do to the health of the woman (who you pro-choice folks seem to be so concerned about) including their mental health?
      Why is life not sacred to you?

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:34pm

      CATB, trying reading. I never said they should be allowed to abort, I said the fact is they abort. CATB, maybe with your abstinence you have studied the verse, ‘you are not to judge others lest you be judged’.
      I agree with abstinence, I express it in our church with the youth. Be a vessel for the light of the Lord CATB not a Pharisee wanting to be held up for what ‘you’ do or say. Being a Christian I will forgive you for not understanding what I wrote.

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:39pm

      ERABIN… you sound like a politician, Tax payer funds cannot pay for abortions, ITS ILLEGAL!!! Wow, end of story huh… Oh wait, if tax dollars go to pay for the lights at the abortion clinic and the advertising but not directly the abortions… We could use the money we save on advertising and electricity for that… YEAH, in this way we can have the tax payers cake and abort it too!

      I hope you are just a liberal tool and not really that dumb to believe your own post.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:41am

    .
    Should Abortion Be Illegal Once a Heartbeat Is Detectable?

    Only if the Mother is a Conservative………

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:31pm

      Viability outside the womb is also a cold, hearltless inhumane arbitray criteria imposed by the court .a Darwinian “survival of the fittest ” crass mentality.Only the strong survive and deserve to.I can’t survive under water without life support, i can’t survive in outer space without life support, if i’m injured or sick i may require life support.What does viability outside the mother[life support] have to do with whether one is a human with the human right to live.[sometimes a human requires life support sometimes we don't]. A cruel [subliminaly demonic] policy.

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  • georgeisn6
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:37am

    better to abort them now than to have then educated in our public school’s

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:48am

      .
      That’s just wrong but true………………

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    • Rob
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:58am

      Schools work fine for kids who come ready to learn.. But the losers just disrupt and don’t care… eliminate that gene pool and the schools would work just like they used to. We used to have schools that worked, and there were NO free lunches…now, over half the kids or more “need” free lunch…that should tell you something about the fruit not falling far from the tree. Abort THOSE basturd’s kids and things would turn around for the next generation.

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:11am

      ROB, I will have to disagree with you. They do not ‘need’ the free lunch. The School needs to have as many people put in for ‘free lunch’ as possible. It is not the amount of ‘free lunches’ it is the amount of requests that are counted. If we were to do the research you will find that many that receive free lunch do so in order for their family to spend that lunch money on something else. What I am trying to say is they use that TAX MONEY, (mugging by the government of the people around them) so they can buy other things. Did you ever notice how over weight our ‘poor’ are compared to the rest of the world?

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:20am

      ROB

      The downward spiral of Public Schools actually started in 1960. Before the 1960s, only a small portion of public school teachers were unionized. But that began to change when, in 1959, Wisconsin became the first state to pass a collective bargaining law for public employees. Over the next 20 years, most other states adopted similar laws. Public Schools are for the most part no longer about educating kids, they are more about taking care of people that work 9 months a year but get paid for 12. Sounds like Greece doesn’t it?

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    • middleclassprophet
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:44am

      That’s wrong and anything but true. Ignorant comment on an ignorant forum. Unbelievable.

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:47am

      @MOMPRAYAN,i am in agreement with you

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:48am

      middleclassprophet

      Just how is it wrong? Please justify the actions of the teachers union.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:58am

      I understand your sentiment.

      I also agree that the schools are not the ROOT CAUSE of the problem.

      PARENTS are the root cause.

      So, the question is,
      1) SHOULD our schools attempt to “raise” children with bad parents? (not just educate, but ‘train’)
      2) HOW can schools “raise” children – again, not just educate, but ‘train’ them.
      By “train”, I mean, teach them right from wrong, teach them respect, teach them to do their homework, teach them to be productive members of society, teach them to take responsibility for their own lives, their own failures, and to enjoy the rewards of their own successes.
      SHOULD we even attempt all this?
      IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE?

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:18am

      George…self abort. You are an immoral *****.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:04am

      Once it matters that not all humans are people then Terry Schiavo slowly dies of thirst.a person is a construct[am i a person when i'm asleep since i have no consciousness? Am i a person when attacked in the womb by my mothers' assailent but not a person when attacked by an abortionist?is someone who can read and right[has more cognitive development] more of a person then a 2 year old.is a person with alzheimers who can no longer reason no longer a person but simply a “human”.Human is as human looks from single cell to old age irrespective of the subjective and arbitrary degree of personhood attributed to this biologically human entity. Though i agree there is a differrence between a single cells or clumps of cells and a feeling thinking being[a person];a biologically human clump of cells is alive ,and human life that is indeed alive should not be killed because killing is wrong[thou shalt not kill-humans have the right to life.]The inherent ethics that does not sanction the killing of human cells stems from the awareness that life[all life] seeks to thrive, not die.All life whether persons or other living things[plants,animals, cells]biologically are driven to survive.Knowing this, and that though in order for we ourselves to survive we must kill[for food] we extend to all other humans [at a minimum,though some of us extend it to animals]the preservation and folding of their already existing life

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    • samantha2011
      Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:07pm

      You guys are just horrible all babies should have a chance to live but maybe your parents should have aborted you guys… Guys like you shouldnt have had a chance to live………

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  • nomercy63
    Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:33am

    Abortion should be illegal no matter what except for rape or incest like the way the whole damn thing started!!!!!!

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    • TexasCommonSense
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:39am

      At some point the unborn child should have the same rights as the born. You can’t simply kill another person because their life is inconvenient for you. If that were the case there would no doubt be a whole bunch of dead liberals around.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:42am

      As a Christian Chaplain my own viewpoints will be fairly obvious to anyone, so I declare that yes I am fully in agreement with you on the matter.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:42am

      Do Libs have a heartbeat?

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:43am

      .
      Or the Mother is a Democrate………….

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:44am

      nomercy63
      Amen to that. Life begins at the point of conception. If you exaine the dna of the mass of cells once the point of conception has been reached, they can be defined as human.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:45am

      How about they flip the script and only allow people with the means and responsibility to raise a child the right to breed. all others are manditory abortions……… Or how about we abort all the pro abortionist and the doctors that perfform the abortions and just classify them as really really late term

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    • hauschild
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:45am

      “Should Abortion Be Illegal Once a Heartbeat Is Detectable?”

      Is a pig’s ass, pork???

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    • nomercy63
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:46am

      Women that believe in this crap are a bunch of sick BI****es and they can walk around without telling anyone what they did and hide it from the world. Hey Girls, You so proud of it lets get t-shirts made saying you had an abortion? Bunch of punk butt ho’s! I want medical records released before marriage that will bring abortions down lol !!!

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    • Resolved
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:47am

      I agree with this except that there have to be measures that make exceptions for those times when Mom‘s life is on the line and Baby can’t survive without Mom. We have to be able to make the decision to save mom if both lives are on the line and Baby isn’t viable outside the womb. That there are no exemptions for rape is acceptable to me as (while I‘ve never been raped and can’t speak to how quickly this is done) it seems to me 4-6 weeks is more than enough time for a woman to make a reasonable decision on whether or not she wants to keep the baby.

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:52am

      Abortion denies the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness — PERIOD!!!
      This is the strongest law to protect the pre-born yet. Great start!

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:59am

      RESOLVE, trying reading the post… You would see the provisions you talked about wanting. Oh

      PROVISIONS means: a clause in a legal instrument providing for a particular matter… such as the health of the mother being at risk.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:05am

      See, the left’s propaganda makes it seem like it is a “right”…but a right for whom? That baby has an equal right to survive. Abortion is NO different than what Hitler, Mao, Castro, Stalin or any of them have done when they kill execution style for the “good of society”. In these countries it was LAWFUL to KILL these innocent (250,000,000+) people.
      In the near future history books will show how evil and brutal Americans were to let this happen… and the Dems will blame the GOP again and people will believe.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:06am

      These women always argue that it’s their body and they can do whatever they want with their body. Well, once the ovum is fertilized, it becomes different DNA and one can NO LONGER argue that the baby is part of the woman’s body.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:07am

      I was a former volunteer counselor at a pregnancy crisis clinic & yes, it should be illegal, period – at any “stage” (point of conception is when it starts) — also I should think there should be no exceptions for rape or incest bc it’s STILL a life folks – it‘s not the baby’s fault. I don’t understand ppl who are very prolife but are FOR it if the girl is raped/incest. No – that doesn’t change it. The answer for all these awful situations is adoption & then help/care for the mom. Free cllinics nationwide that do that. The only thing that should be acceptable is the common sense reason it would kill the mother…bc then you have two lives….also these days they can keep a premature baby alive by other means outside the womb with great success…doesn’t need the mom. It’s not a “religion” thing like it was spun by the racist, atheist libs that started this – it’s just a simple “science” thing that from conception it’s a living, developing human…period. Only selfish, rebellious, misguided, ignorant, godless ppl try to “justify” it for their convenience. Women still die from these & suffer physical, mental, emotional traumas the rest of their lives which is purposefully not reported – it’s also a huge money making business….abomination in God’s eyes & brings judgement on nations that accept/practice this as we do. No respect for God or life.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:09am

      Resolved

      Read the article. There is an exception for the mothers health.

      “Also, the measure does not include exemptions for rape or incest, but it DOES include one for the health of the mother.”

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    • dpselfe
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:09am

      Even in the (EXTREMELY RARE) cases of rape and incest, the child still has a right to live. A pregnancy should only even be considered for termination if the mother’s life is in immediate danger. That situation has always been in the hands of the attending doctor, and never in question by those who choose to support the rights of the unborn humans.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:13am

      “Barefoot and pregnant, that’s where they want you”.

      This is garbage propaganda to break up the core strength of America, the American Family.

      The truth is, they want you STERILE AND IMPOTENT. It’s in their interest, not yours.

      Having babies is NOT a burden. It’s one of the most profitable and worthwhile investments you can make in your life. That’s why God made it so important and said “Be fruitful, and multiply”. He could have made us divide like amoebas.

      If it is a burden for you, THEN DON’T HAVE SEX. You want you cake and eat it too, Casey Anthony.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:14am

      I say the “except” makes you a hypocrite. Why is a child resulting from rape or incest any different than a child the mother doesn’t want? The answer? There is no difference, especially if your argument is for “life” (either beginning at conception or heartbeat) being the litmus test. Tough luck; a child of rape or incest is still a child. If you disagree, then you don’t actually believe “life” is the true test.

      The only exception using this mark is in case of the life of the mother. The only bargaining chip is one life for another, because it’s a no-win situation.

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    • bccrane
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:21am

      NOMERCY63 “Abortion should be illegal no matter what” granted agreed. But then you added a way out “except for rape or incest”. You realized that everyone will be declaring rape or incest to get an abortion. If you claim either there had better be charges brought against someone because both are criminal acts before you can even get the abortion.

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:22am

      So much for limiting government’s role in the life of the individual. That’s rally the crux of it – you LOVE government running people’s lives when it suits your interests.

      Here, I’ll prove it . . . Who wants a federal law preventing gay marriage? Who wants a federal law criminalizing medical marijuana? Who wants a law outlawing flag burning?

      Nobody here wants a smaller government. You want a bigger conservative government.

      This commitment to arbitrary principles is why you have no credibility.

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    • Atlas_Shagged
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:23am

      Where we stand on the abortion issue has a lot to do with one’s world view

      Many Blazers love Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged and her philosophies. Paul Ryan requires his staff to read The Fountainhead. Michelle Bachmann (at the 2010 Vegas Conservative Conference) attributed her success in equal parts to Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ.

      Ayn Rand was leader of the Objectivists who believed it was a human right to go for as much Selfishness as you could any way possible, including “extramarital sex” with men and women and having abortions. They are not supposed to be “restricted” in any way by a “moral State.“ If the ”state” would provide free funds for abortion (medical services), she taught, all the better!

      Here is a white paper (available free on line) by the Ayn Rand Center for the Individual:
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      Abortion: An Absolute Right By: The officers of The Association for Objective Law

      As long as the right to abortion may be overridden by any “state interests,” a woman has no right to do with her body as she sees fit.

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    • Edct
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:24am

      Abortion is murder and is for the convenience of the mother…it is immoral and should be illegal and God will judge every woman who murders an unborn innocent.

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    • MASTER YODA
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:24am

      charles manson was pro choice. He chose to take innocent life. Pro abortionist are no different. In both cases the murder victim would have chose life.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:29am

      We need to ask this question of the Living God, not man:

      (Genesis 1:27) So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

      (Isaiah 44:24) Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

      (Isaiah 49:15) “Can a woman forget her nursing child, And not have compassion on the son of her womb? Surely they may forget, Yet I will not forget you.

      (Jeremiah 1:5) “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you…”

      (Luke 1:15) For [John the baptist] will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

      (Luke 1:41) And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

      (Exodus 20:13) “You shall not murder.

      (Genesis 9:6) “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.

      Romans 3:21-26 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, (22) even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; (23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (2

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    • Luke21
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:30am

      Romans 3:21-26 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, (22) even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; (23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (24) being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (25) whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (26) to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:32am

      cont.
      Romans 3:21-26 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, (22) even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; (23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (24) being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (25) whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (26) to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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    • randy
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:34am

      Abortion should NEVER be legal!

      Democrats want to give rights to animals and trees, but better watch out if you were the unlucky one to be conceived last night.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:35am

      cont.
      Romans 3:24-26 (24) being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (25) whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (26) to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:41am

      “Abortion should be illegal no matter what except for rape or incest like the way the whole damn thing started!!!!!!”

      So basically all you’re trying to do is punish women for sex? Because if these reasons legitimize an abortion in your eyes, you have to agree to other reasons that legitimize abortion in the eyes of others as well.

      Either abortion is okay for any reason, or for no reason at all. No other position can legitimately exist because any grey area is simply “punishing women for sex”.

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    • discardofevil
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:42am

      @ Texascommonsense,
      I agree with you!! Why the liberals would want to kill out of convenience. No one takes responsibility any more for their own actions! And sorry to say if you do not want a child then USE BIRTHCONTROL!!! Killing an innocent unborn child b/c you are not responsible should not be paid by MY TAX DOLLARS!! Also if this country was to abide like our Founders did we would be following the 10 commandments!! Thou shall not MURDER is one of them!!

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:42am

      Very few women become pregnant when being rapped,it just does not happen that often

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:44am

      godhead
      Your arguments here are backwards.

      Here, I’ll prove it . . .
      Who wants a federal law preventing gay marriage? When put up to a vote the majority rejects gay marriage. Why promote immoral and dangerous behavior?
      Who wants a federal law criminalizing medical marijuana? No one is saying there should be. On the other hand don’t try to get special rights stating that employers have to hire people on it. If an employer requires a drug test and chooses not to hire people with THC in their system don’t let them collect welfare either.
      Who wants a law outlawing flag burning? No one is saying that either. Do so at your own peril and don’t complain about getting thumped for it.

      This commitment to arbitrary principles is why you have no credibility. You have no credibility by your claims.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:46am

      Abortion should be illigal no matter what period.[we can change the culture about unwanted pregnancies like we have about other issues-being pregnant is not a detriment to a young persons life and no one knows the future and any spouse,parent or boyfriend who would intimidate a pregnant girl about being pregnant should be penalized.[hate crime?]That pro abortion people don’t consider a fetus human is ironic considering how they are denying science.They’re being unscientic as they ofter deride religious people for being unscientific[crationismvs.evolution].That abortion has been legal all these years is a true holacaust and that for too many politicians and media pundents abortion has been relugated to being just another social issue is atrocious-mass murder as a social issue.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:51am

      From a purely ethical, moral stance,

      once it is clear there is a UNIQUE life inside you…
      an individual (like – with their own brainwaves OR their own heartbeat)
      it is clearly DEPENDENT upon you for its very survival…
      So, you are responsible for that life.
      It is entirely dependent upon YOU.

      If you take an action to end that life, I believe you would be committing murder.

      I think we DO need to address the point at which we can identify a UNIQUE life.

      This would save many lives.

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    • STS2_SS_Iver
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:52am

      I agree. Why is it so hard to understand that Abortion is Murder? Before the procedure there is a tiny life inside the mother. After the procedure that tiny life is gone.

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:53am

      If I were a lawmaker I would not vote for this bill. Any law that has an exclusion “for the health of the mother” is a JOKE! That lie can be used to let women have abortions at any time during their pregnancies, for ANY reason.

      Bills like this are a complete travesty and not worth the paper they are written on!

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    • joyfulmom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:55am

      Life….life is beautiful…if a baby is conceived in the womb, then there’s life and to stop that life is murder. Murder is wrong and everyone knows it. Pray for our country..we need a Saviour, Jesus Christ to change hearts and lives. For all have sinned, we‘ve broken all of God’s commandments. Even if you have hate in your heart it is though you have murdered. God’s standards are very high. That is why the Bible says that there is none righteous, no not one. We’re all guilty of sin and deserve hell before a Just and Holy God. Good News: Jesus Christ died on a cross 2,000 years ago for our sins and if you repent, turn from your sins and put your faith and trust in Jesus, you can have the forgivness of your sins and God will make you a new creature in Christ and give you a new heart that does not want to sin. Cry out in prayer for His Mercy and He will show you the truth and if you’ve ever had an abortion, you can be forgive of that sin, (or any sin) and one day, you will see your child in Heaven…

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    • godhead
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:58am

      Blackhawk1

      So no one is calling for a flag burning amendment or an amendment to limit the definition of marriage? You don’t read much, do you? And there IS a federal law criminalizing marijuana already. And if you’re going to drug test welfare recipients, maybe you should test them for tobacco and alcohol, which both cause far more damage and crate more cost than weed. Oh, wait, they’re legal. Oh, wait again, so is medical marijuana.

      Face it, conservatives get off on telling people what they can’t do. They’re nothing more than grade school hall monitors and tattle tales grown up to be repressed and bitter adults.

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    • enduro
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:04am

      My wife had a misscarriage very early in her process during her first pregnancy. later on we had three wonderful children. One day I was talking to my youngest child (maybe 3 or 4 years old at the time) which is a boy and he mention that he had a brother. I ask him what he was talking about and He said he had an older brother. He told me that he had talked to him. He was referring to the child that was misscarriaged which he had no information on. I was stunned and re-thought everything. Before children I was pro abortion as i don’t want the government telling me what to do about anything. After children I saw the bigger picture.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:06am

      What constitutes a soul entering into humanity?–a HEARTBEAT? Read Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. As far as I’m concerned the only one that has a choice here is God. I don’t know when life begins but we all know when it ends.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:07am

      “That pro abortion people don’t consider a fetus human is ironic considering how they are denying science.”

      A fetus is human.

      He’s just not a person.

      There’s a difference here, but thanks for setting up a strawman AND attacking it.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:10am

      @nomercy…
      So MURDER is OK if there is rape or incest? Murder is Murder!! What a foolish ideas to kill a child because of a crime….But thats the liberal mindset that has invaded your thinking.
      When the sperm hits the egg, it’s life. No abortion PERIOD!!

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:12am

      “Abortion is murder and is for the convenience of the mother…it is immoral and should be illegal and God will judge every woman who murders an unborn innocent.”

      Dude, god INVENTED abortion. Miscarriage ring any bell? God randomly aborts fetuses. Why shouldn’t we be able to abort some for good reasons?

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    • TEIN
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:13am

      I have stated this before and I will state it again. There exist federal law and state laws about homicide of an unborn child. It is already written what constitutes life, cause if a person can be convicted for causing a pregnant women to lose a child, it is defined by law when that life starts counting towards societal law. Next, a women does have a right to do with her body what she will, Tattoo it, pierce it, shave it, mutilate it. BUT it is not her body we are talking about. An act was engaged in and pregnancy was the result of that act. Now is it okay for that women to make a decision for the body that was created by that act??? NO!!! If it was forced onto the women and not her choice to engage in that act, there has to be some common sense in dealing with that situation, but I would guarantee those situations are the exceptions.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:18am

      The test is, is the fetus viable outside of the womb. That is the law of the land since, the Casey decision (side note Alito’s decisions was upheld by the Supreme Court). The states are going against the Constitution, were are the tbaggers seeking to prevent government intervention in women’s healthcare? were are the tbaggers to protect the Constitution and the Constitiutional right of a women to control her body and decide for herself what medical procedures she should receive.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:19am

      An act was engaged in and pregnancy was the result of that act. Now is it okay for that women to make a decision for the body that was created by that act???

      Yes.

      Now what?

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    • Iswingright
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:22am

      Well, gee, let’s see: If you’re anywhere else – even on your death bed – you’re not dead until your heart stops.

      So what do ya think?

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    • vennoye
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:24am

      Everything that happens in this world is connected…nothing stands alone.

      SOOO look at it this way–if you were preparing for the battle of the ages, and could pick both the time and place to position YOUR most loyal, faithful troops, you would pick their being born to be in place for the most important battle. How very convenient for an enemy, if he could destroy millions of those troops before they could even put on a uniform!!

      We know in the US 50-60 million have been destroyed, in China, 400 million have been destroyed…….we have no idea how many in all the countries put together. And we WONDER at the shape this world is in!!!

      Jeremich 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

      How many Jeremichs, I wonder have been aborted?

      We are told that the Hebrew children killed all their prophets….I think we, their descendents in faith, have done the same.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:34am

      A woman’s right to choose whether or not she want to get pregnant is exercised by her choice of whether she has sex or not. The same is true of a man. Men, under current law, cannot choose to absolve themselves of parental responsibility at any time before their child’s 18th birthday. Why should women be allowed to make their choices after the fact and kill their children. How many fathers have been hurt by their actions? Men and children are the victims of women and their decision to have an abortion. The women themselves are only victims of their own acts, which hardly makes them a victim.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:36am

      “How many Jeremichs, I wonder have been aborted?”

      One too few, I’m afraid. One too few.

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    • rightwingheroes
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:38am

      Killing a human that has a heartbeat is murder, period

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    • JRook
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:42am

      The bill is so off base it and merely a play to challenge Roe v. Wade. If something like this bill stays as a plank in the Republican platform, their candidate has no shot. Roe v. Wade is the best we can expect the government to do on this issue. Woman should have reproductive rights including the right to terminate the pregnancy as framed in R v W. People need to keep there so called personal relationship with JC or God just that. Personal. As my father used to say… your beliefs, opinions and civil rights end at the tip of my noise ….as that’s where mine begin.

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    • ConstitutionalPatriot
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:43am

      GODHEAD, your veiled attempt is about to have the light of truth shone upon it. The reason the law of when life is a life is only forced on us American people because your ‘not my fault’ crowd has made it a law that they can kill another human, but Heaven forbid you harm a Whale! On the definition of Marriage it is being shortened GODHEAD it is being left alone. The Bible, Torah and Koran all say the same thing from God, a marriage shall be between ‘one man and one woman’. So you see ‘whinny’ we Conservative Constitutionalists do not want more laws, we only want the laws to mean what they say and be enforced as they were meant.

      Sadly the Public Schools have been shown, through you, to have failed us again…

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    • nomercy63
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:44am

      OK lets clear up the Rape, Incest on original post! You really think caring a child for 9 months from a man that raped you or a family member that raped you is a good thing even though it is child?? I really think you should ponder that one long and hard. Yes a baby is a baby but rape and incest is pure evil and then force the victim of such an act to endure the hardship of caring and delivery of your attackers child????? Children are innocent of course but that regardless is going way too far and is kind of sick! I know we can bring up 500 bible quotes and so on don’t bother! I know already! We will have a bunch of rapist in prison so happy to know they fathered a bunch of kids they don’t have to to take care of,Sick , sick , sick!

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    • meld531
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:47am

      Awhile back Glenn showed a graphic that portrayed the decline in American morality vs the banning or limiting of God and Christianity in our schools and such….can anyone point me to a link showing that graph? My 15 yr old son and I were discussing it and I tried googling it to show it to him (even though he is bright enough to understand on his own without visual aids) but I cannot seem to find it. Anyway, I still would like to be able to use that graphic as tool while educating my kids so if anyone can point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it!!! Thanks friends.

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    • Evileye
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:49am

      When you start killing people for one reason or the other think about
      Auschwitz,Dachau,Buchenwald.
      A government of of control will kill anyone that they deem unworthy.
      Black,white,Oriental.Mexican are all on the hit list to some one

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:04am

      Book of Enoch

      Names and Misdeeds of the Fallen angels

      69:12 The fifth is named Kasadya; it is he who revealed to the children of the people the various flagellations of all evil -the flagellation of the souls and the demons, the smashing of the embryo in the womb so that it may be crushed, the flagellation of the soul, snake bites, sunstrokes, the son of the serpent, whose name is Taba’ta.

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    • PatriotLady63
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:10am

      NOMERCY63: The child conceived through rape/incest is no less human than a child conceived otherwise. Don’t punish the child for his/her father’s crime. Punish the criminal; surround the victim’s with abundant, and unceasing, love and support.

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    • Locked
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:14am

      @Nomercy63

      “OK lets clear up the Rape, Incest on original post! You really think caring a child for 9 months from a man that raped you or a family member that raped you is a good thing even though it is child??”

      Who cares if it is a “good” thing? If you use the standard that “life begins at conception/heartbeat/brain wave/etc,” and that life is sacred, then it doesn’t matter what act led to that life. YOU chose that standard as the basis for argument, and if you say “except,” then you’re not actually holding true to it.

      “Yes a baby is a baby…Children are innocent of course…” You keep saying this, and then say “but” or “except.” No. If you think life is sacred and set a standard for when life begins, there isn’t an exception unless another life is on the line (ie, the mother is in critical danger of dying). Then, and only then, could an abortion be allowable.

      Again, this is all based on the standard of “life begins at X/Y/Z“ and ”life is sacred.”

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    • TexasTBone
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:15am

      ive said it before and i will say it again; The only difference between “abortion” and murder is a few weeks.
      as soon as the cells start replicating on their own, life is present and ending that life IS murder.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:23am

      JRook
      Following that logic nothing in the ten commandments should be law. If thou shalt not kill has no legitimacy then maybe thou shalt not steal also should not be law. How about thou shalt not bear false witness? The commandments are good laws for all who have a decent moral compass. Christian or not. Altho athiests will likely ignore the first three.

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    • Heitah
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:25am

      If you don’t want to deal with the consequences “DON’T DIP YOUR PEN IN THE INK”

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:32am

      Absolutely illegal from the moment of conception with zero exceptions. 52+ million innocent and tiny human babies have fallen prey to abortion since roe v wade passed in 1973.

      Mothers lay down their lives for their Babies! Babies don’t lay down their lives for their Mothers!

      God Bless You and Thank You, Ryder System Inc and Penske Corporation, For Stepping Up On Behalf Of Murdered Babies. Ryder and Penske have removed their trucks from Stericycle’s fleet. Stericycle is the medical waste disposal company that services abortion clinics.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:40am

      Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:23am
      JRook
      Following that logic nothing in the ten commandments should be law. If thou shalt not kill has no legitimacy then maybe thou shalt not steal also should not be law. How about thou shalt not bear false witness? The commandments are good laws for all who have a decent moral compass. Christian or not. Altho athiests will likely ignore the first three.
      __________________________________________
      The ten commandments are not law, no one is in jail in the US for breaking a commandment. Of course following your logic all athiests would be round up and arrested for violation of the first commandment, the 1st amendment be damned.

      We are a secular nations governed by the laws of men, we are not governed by any of God’s law. The bible is not consulted in a court room to determine if a crime was committed.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:43am

      Complete B.S.

      Reproductive rights for women. Period.

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    • VegasGuy
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:12pm

      This is a good place to start. I like this law.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:22pm

      encinom
      Tell me then, sweetie, what do you think our laws are based on??
      The laws of God are the starting point for the laws of man. Look them up if you are ignorant of them, they are in the Bible, look in Exodus.

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    • drphil69
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:27pm

      “barefoot and pregnant… that’s where they want you…”

      Seems to me that some action is required to make a baby, no? Keep your panties on and you wont have to worry about pregnancy, or murdering an unborn child. Or do they still claim that all sex is rape? But what do I know, I am a dumb conservative man.

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    • Ronko
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:50pm

      I Disagree, Abortion should be legal within the 1st 3 months, after that your SOL and commited to having the baby baring any health issues.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:52pm

      Untameable-kate
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:22pm
      encinom
      Tell me then, sweetie, what do you think our laws are based on??
      The laws of God are the starting point for the laws of man. Look them up if you are ignorant of them, they are in the Bible, look in Exodus.
      _______________________________________________________
      Our laws are as much a product of Humurabie, of Pagan Romen Senators and Greek Philosophers, of the Germanic and Celtish clans. as they are of Moses. Rome had a comples legal system prior with laws prior to its conquest of Palestin, as did ancient Greece. Humurabie’s code pre-date Moses’ laws.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 4:27pm

      encinom

      Hummarabi’s code is pagan in origin, and is essentially worship of Satan (Shamash, the SUN) and his fallen angels (moon, stars, earth, etc.). It is exactly what Yahweh forbid, worship of anything in the earth or in the sky. They also prayed towards the east, like the Muslims, towards the rising sun, and Yahweh also forbid that. Yahweh’s throne is in the North.

      Moses received the Divine Law From Yahweh. Hammurabi got his law from Babylonian Deities, I.E. something other than Yahweh (God). They were worshipping demons.

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    • Sound The Trumpet In Zion
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:02pm

      If anyone claims to be a Christian or even moral in any way would have to say that it is illegal to kill any fetus from the the time of conception or they are clearly proving themselves to everyone else to be liars, fakes AND immoral.

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    • livetomean87
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:07pm

      I completely agree!!! I heard a statistic that only about 1% of women that get abortions are because of rape or incest! These guys are just trying to reach for any excuse to run away from their responsibilities!

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    • JRook
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:30pm

      @Untameable-kate so then you are ok with governments deciding it is ok to place individuals in “conflict” situations and allowing them to kill. “Conflict” indicating there is nothing to justify the term war. The difference here is one of a woman’s right to have reasonable control of her reproductive rights and to exercise them in private. Not the government, not the church and if that is her position, not the 10 commandments. In the case of our pseudo wars since Vietnam, the killing was government sponsored. With your logic you could outlaw smoking of any kind because it is a form of suicide. And let’s not even get started on religious driven murder such as the Crusades and to a certain extent Vietnam and many others. For the constitutionalists here, it was very clear that the church, and religion as sited by Madison on many occasions, should not have undo influence or control over the people by way of any support by the government. While I appreciate your beliefs, you should have a better understanding that they are yours and should not in any way infringe on the freedom, liberty and privacy of individual women.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:40pm

      V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 4:27pm
      encinom

      Hummarabi’s code is pagan in origin, and is essentially worship of Satan (Shamash, the SUN) and his fallen angels (moon, stars, earth, etc.). It is exactly what Yahweh forbid, worship of anything in the earth or in the sky. They also prayed towards the east, like the Muslims, towards the rising sun, and Yahweh also forbid that. Yahweh’s throne is in the North.

      Moses received the Divine Law From Yahweh. Hammurabi got his law from Babylonian Deities, I.E. something other than Yahweh (God). They were worshipping demons.
      _________________________________________________________________
      So since US law, like all of western law is based on laws from Humuarbi, pagan Rome and Greece we should follow none of man’s laws. Is your advice to stay right with God, tear up that speeding ticket. I guess we should force the Atheists and non-christians to follow God’s law or else (I think the bible allows them to be enslaved). I guess you agree with Bin Laden and the rest that seek to impose a world-wide theocracy, you only disagree on which religion to run it all.

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    • RJO
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:11pm

      This issue is so typical of DENIAL. Roe v Wade is perpetually FROZEN to 1973. It’s life blood is knowledge and medical information grounded in…….1973!!!!! It’s crumbling under the weight of its own IGNORANCE!

      That alone should give reason to any fair-minded U.S. Supreme Court justice to throw this incredibly UNJUST law out on its ear……similar to another BONEHEAD U.S. Supreme Court ruling…DRED SCOTT!!!

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:45pm

      encinom

      The Freemasons really did a number on this country and it’s laws.

      You can guess all you want.

      They worship Lucifer too.

      I agree with a theocracy, but there’s only one Yahweh. Allah isn’t him, Shamash isn’t him, Moloch isn’t him, the “Great Owl of Bohemia” isn’t him, and he will not share his glory with another.

      I don’t have to do anything for his kingdom to come, except die and go to the Bosom of Abraham until Yahweh destroys the entire Universe and remakes it new, without sin.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:24am

      V-MAN MACE

      I agree with a theocracy, but there’s only one Yahweh. Allah isn’t him, Shamash isn’t him, Moloch isn’t him, the “Great Owl of Bohemia” isn’t him, and he will not share his glory with another.
      _______________________________________________________________________________
      So you are not an American. America is not, nor can it ever be a theocracy. You are nothing more than a Christian Taleban member. A brain dead Alex Jones cultists and a fool.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:51am

      @nomercy63

      Why except for rape and incest?

      If you are protecting a life because it is a life and our constitution protects that right to life, liberty and property. Then you could not have an “except” to justify the murder of a living individual.

      You philosophy is almost there.

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    • closetotheedge
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:12am

      We condem the jihdists who use women and little kids to murder as many innocent Muslums straping on vests to go blow up all they can, in Allah.And to kill ever Jew n us, beheading,hacked apart,and they have Gased the Kurds via Sadam Hussein.There own people.And the family in S. Israel’ where Islam/PLO/S. Gaza terrorists snuck over the border and went into a home and slaughtered a young Jewish family,A mom,dad and 3 kids asleep these terrorists began SLITTING all there throats and the youngest had her head completly SLICED OFF!! This is mankind? And we scream at it and condem it. But here in the USA, we legally uphold the Slaughter of the most innocent.Well over 6,000 a day are slaughtered by Suction vacs’ that literlly are torn apart and sucked out but the PPH/prochoieiers and The AMA say the ‘fetus’ does’nt feal any pain. But on the Ultra-sound it clearly shows the baby tryin to get away from the Hose. Or the use of acids too torch the baby and then tearing the child apart by the suction hose, hen they wash their hands and bring in the next woman or child and over n over it goes on day by day,year after year. So who are the true barbarians in the World today? 55+ mudered in the name of Choice,it’s my body,my decision,Or rights to choose. Upon conception the baby has the mix of 2 sets of DNA that combine together and creates a new person.he Womb is the most dangerous place in the World!!! Will you speak up? We are under Gods’ wrath here See Chron.7:12-15.Mat.24; See i

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 2:31pm

      encinom

      All governments were established by Yahweh.

      America is indeed a theocracy. We the people are the sovereign, and we are individually ruled by our respective gods, therefor my God is Yahweh, and as an American, I declare that this nation is his nation, because I am a sovereign, and he is my sovereign.

      I’m not a Taliban member, caveman. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

      You can harangue me about listening to Alex Jones all you want. He has more credibility than you could dream of, and YOU have NO TEAM!

      You’re another marginalized outcast lingering like a bad smell. POOF! Be gone.

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