Should Sex Offenders Be Banned From Facebook?
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INDIANAPOLIS (The Blaze/AP) — Sex offenders are challenging a state mandated ban of their access to social media sites saying it violates their free speech rights.
A federal judge heard arguments Thursday of the constitutionality of an Indiana law that bans registered sex offenders from social media sites where children could be present. The American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana is challenging that the 2008 law as violating sex offenders’ first amendment rights.
Federal judges have overturned similar bans in Nebraska and Louisiana. But, just this week, the Associated Press also report certain sex offenders will still be banned in Louisiana:
The bill sponsored by Opelousas Rep. Ledricka Thierry will more narrowly define what sites are prohibited. The bill spells out that news websites, e-mail pages and online shopping sites aren’t included in the ban.
The prohibition will apply to anyone convicted of a sex offense against a minor or of video voyeurism.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana argues it’s unconstitutional to bar sex offenders from using online services such as Facebook if they are no longer in prison or on probation.
The Indiana attorney general‘s office argues that social networking sites aren’t the only forms of communication and that the laws are needed to protect children.
“It’s going to be really, really hard, I think, to write something that will achieve the state’s purpose in protecting children online but not be restrictive enough to be unconstitutional,” said Carolyn Atwell-Davis, director of legislative affairs at the Virginia-based National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.
Steve DeBrota, an assistant U.S. attorney in Indianapolis who prosecutes child sex crimes, also told AP “it‘s hard to come up with an example of a sexual predator who doesn’t use some form of social networking anymore.”
Judge Tanya Walton Pratt says she expects to rule within a month.
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AUsername
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:25pmThey should be allowed but sex offenders and rapists should be chemically castrated.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:39pmTo what end? And which sex offenders are you talking about? 90 to 95% of sex offenders convicted will never offend again (according to the US Dpt of Justice). Another point you may not know. Most sex offenders do not offend for sexual gratification but rather for the sense of power the offence gives them over their victim. So just because you destroy their sex drive it would not have any effect on what caused the problem.
Report Post »This is my point on all of this. We need to take actions and pass laws that actually improve the situation not make it worse. One thing that would help is treatment in Prison and afterward. Another would be better categorization of the sex offender in the first place. There are some ( a very few but some) who need to be locked up forever just as there are some murders who need to be locked up forever. Whatever we do let’s take actions that are based on facts and not on emotional appeals by politicians who want to show that they are “tough” on crime.
BB Sailor
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:45pmWhen someone is convicted of a crime, put them in prison, or probabtion, or whatever is deemed appropriate. When that person has served their time, they have paid their debt to society, and should be left alone, period.
Sex offender registries are nothing more than a tool politicians use to get reelected, they serve no useful purpose, other than guaranteering that the person on the registry can never again get any kind of decent job, which makes it more likely that the person will commit other kinds of crimes.
It also seems blatantly unfair to keep a persons criminal background hung around their necks for the rest of their lives. Should a single criminal act punish someone for the rest of their lives? Jail should be the place to punish someone, not on a job application.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:05pmAh, yes… Eugenics… popular in Nazi Germany, too!
Report Post »ipaevavu
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:36pmI am a registered sex offender, my crime happened when I was 12 years old, if you want to know my story, here is a link to the article that was posted today. http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/life-on-the-list
Report Post »Southerner01
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:00pmThere needs to be better classification of what kinds of “sex offenses” result in these bans. I would start with anyone over 25 who has sex with someone under 16. Then anyone over 15 who has any type of incestuous sexual contact. I honestly don’t think anyone 12 and under should be classfied as a sex offender for a volunatry interaction with another child, because they are really too young to even understand what they are doing. I think the example in this article is a sad one. Children “play doctor”. They want to know what each other’s bodies look like. While that makes us uncomfortable,and may in some cases even justify punishment, sex offender status is too harsh. In most cases, even child murderers are treated differently. Clearly, there are cases in which even a 12 year old must be hald accountable (multiple offenses, violent rapes, infant rape, as examples) but as in the case of Ipaevavu’s story, two children, 4 years apart in age (12 and 8), “exploring” should not warrant 25 years of shame. One could even wonder why the 8 year old was not also charged, since she also had sexual contact with the 12 year old. Seems dumb right? So does punishing a 12 year old for 25 years for touching an 8 year old.
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:11am@Gaius Gracchus
The government has recently backtracked on their jobs reports; am I to believe every stat that comes from the government? Hell no!
Your stats and info is biased and inacurate. Please seek help!
Report Post »hi
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:20pmLet them use facebook in jail the rest of their lives. They never paid their debt. They need life in prison.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:30pmReally?
Report Post »How about the 18 year old who sleeps with his 16 year old girl friend? Or the kids put on the sex offender registry for “mooning” a cop? You want them in Jail for the rest of their lives. OK so you want to get at the real perverts, RIGHT? well most sex offenders are member of the victims family. You want them in jail for the balance of their lives? Why? Because they will reoffend? Wrong! 90 to 95% of sex offenders convicted will NEVER reoffend again. So why do you want to keep them in Jail? Vengeance? Do you really want a legal system based on Vengeance? Better hope you never get on the wrong side of it then, Huh?
hi
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:38pmThe specific law that puts mooners in jail or 16/18 year olds sleeping together can be exceptions to the rule.
Report Post »Most sex offenders are never brought to court bc it is he said/she said. So, the ones in jail must be super-nasty.
hi
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:57pmMy comment is based on the safety of women, not vengeance.
There is not a day that goes by where I and most other women are not vigilant and making sure some guy is not going to “get” us. Men don’t walk around with that on their minds, so you have no clue. Rape is extremely common and most get away with it.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:06pm“Most sex offenders are not caught so those who are must be really nasty”. My I would love to see the LAW written that would satisfy that myth. It is right up there with “Once a sex offender always a sex offender”. The truth is that Neather of these myths are factual and the current system does, which is based on such myths, does not work. The registry, residency restrictions etc only increase the likelihood that a sex offender once released from prison will be back in Jail because he/she cannot find a job or a place to live. Why not take actions that have been shown to prevent both future offences of all kinds? Better testing and categorization of sex offenders to start with. In prison and post release treatment. Elimination of current laws that have proven to be ineffective (Registry and residency restrictions). Are we trying to improve the situation of merely seeking vengeance so we can feel good?.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:09pmRecommend that you read up on the issue there are many website but this one has the best collection of fact based data that I have found: http://www.ilvoices.com/6201.html
Report Post »hi
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:51pmI give you that the definition of a sex offender drastically needs to be changed as well as the scarlet letter attached. But, there are certain guys who need to be locked up for good, especially, especially the pedophiles. Once we get the non-sex offenders like the mooners , the 17/18 year olds having consensual sex and kids who texted nude pictures out of the way, how about locking the real ones up for good?
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:55pmHere are a few additional facts:
MYTH: Community notification is necessary to protect society.
FACT: Community notification of sex offenders through public Internet registries gives the community a “false sense of security.” Since non-registered individuals commit ninety-five percent of all sex offenses, registration requirements have the potential to prevent only a very small fraction of future sex offenses. Community notification allows any individual, corporation, or organization access to sex offender registration information – making employment opportunities virtually non-existent. In some cases, notification has resulted in violence and acts of vigilantism against offenders
Instead of continuing to spew ignorance which tends to increase the problem rather than working to correct it I recommend that all of you “string the SOB’s up” crew read some more facts at the following website: http://www.ilvoices.com/6201.html
Report Post »wwyta
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:02pmPerhaps a contributor to the low re offence rate is the fact the offenders must register. That is a possibility.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:45pmMaybe just maybe there should be some facts attached to all the emotional “kill the SOB sex perverts”. I hope that all posting here agree that laws such as the ban on using Facebook should be based upon hard facts and not just emotion or cynical attemppts to “buy” votes.
MYTH: Everyone listed on the sex offender registry has sexually assaulted someone.
Report Post »FACT: You do not have to commit an act of sexual abuse/assault to be labeled a sex offender. For example, the following offenses can (and in most cases do) label you a sex offender: Unlawful restraint (including non-sexually motivated restraint); False allegations; Public indecency; Streaking or public urination (in some states); Teenage consensual relationships with just a few years age difference; Unknowingly viewing/possessing child pornography; Murder or attempted murder of a child.
MYTH: Sex offenders will re-offend.
FACT: The re-offense rate for sex offenders is one of the lowest of all crimes. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, 5.3% of those listed as sex offenders may re-offend. This means that nearly 95% of all future sex crimes will be committed by someone NOT on the registry.
MYTH: Most sex offenses are committed by strangers.
FACT: Most sexual assaults (80-90%) are committed by family members or persons known to the family
MYTH: Residency restrictions are necessary to protect society.
FACT: There is NO evidence that residency restrictions prevent repeat sex crimes. In fact, the
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:31pmExactly. People tend to get 100% emotional about this issue, so discussion about what is actually being considered is nigh impossible. That’s how it goes with most emotion based subjects these days.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:22pmGood luck enforcing it and it’s prone to give a false sense of security.. We used to learn that a fool’s born every minute (PT Barnum). Use your head people and teach your children about the World. Government cannot protect you by dumbing you down, down down. This has been our problem with Big Brother for decades – not a coincidence! Buy mace and weapons!
Report Post »A few run ins with common sense and “sex offenders” will be the ones on the defensive where they are supposed to be!
lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:52pmWater always finds it’s own level… block it here, it go there… which is fine, because we do not want the Water Everywhere!
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:17pmSay “sex offender” and automatically everyone hates them. The truth of the matter is a bit more complicated.
Do you think some 18 yr old who had sex with his 16 yr old girlfriend in a mutual relationship should carry the stigma of being a sex offender for his entire life? I don’t.
Report Post »DiscipleMaker
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:33pmThat, or if a 21 year old college student has a few too many beers and he and his buddies moon somebody on the way to a bar…they would be considered “sex offenders” for the rest of their lives. I don’t agree with that.
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:16pmMaybe this post will get by The Blaze censors.
Report Post »TRILO
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:16pmNo, the government should not be banning sex offenders or anyone for that matter from Facebook or any other social media website. Facebook is a private company and should set their own rules accordingly. As with any social media site use at your own risk. Better yet, do not use it. If you are concerned about your child’s exposure on the web…. monitor it or forbid it. You be the parent, not the government. Besides, FB and Google are in bed with the government and all to eager to spy on you. I am no longer on FB and I removed my Google toolbar. I want nothing to do with them.
Sex offender laws need to be revised. Even kids who have consensual sex with a partner just under the age get caught up in this life long labeling. We used to have a system that said once your pay your debt to society you are once again a free person. We have mandatory drug sentencing laws for drug users but not rapists and child molesters. Maybe we should send the drug user to rehab to clear up some prison space that way we could send the murderers, rapist and child molesters to prison longer. The US has the largest prison population in the entire world. Not a statistic I am too proud of as an American. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html?_r=1
When the government starts banning and censuring one subset of society where does it end?
Report Post »PapaBear4JC
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:15pmAbsolutely not. I know a guy who is a registered sex offender. He did his time, paid his debt. He should not continually have to pay for something that happened 15 years ago. In addition, there are always ways around these things. Ban them from FB and they will start using fake names. The city where my friend lived decided to ban sex offenders from parks. Really? Hows that going to work? Are you going to have a police officer stationed at every park 24/7 with a constant link to the sex offender registry checking everyone who enters the park? A lot of these laws are unenforceable and are just passed by politicians trying to make themselves look good. They have turned sex offenders in to political cannon fodder, a convenient target of political advantage. Now don’t get me wrong. What they have done is wrong and should be punished. But there is a time when enough is enough. The biggest argument is actually the statistical fact that for every known sex offender there are many more that are unknown because they have not been caught yet or have not acted on their fantasies yet.
Report Post »FedUpWithLibs
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:14pmJust when I thought I couldn’t respect the ACLU any less. These predators are lucky they didn‘t get the death penalty because that’s what would happen in my dictatorship. Of course they shouldn’t be allowed on Facebook but since they are they should have to have a flashing warning sign any time someone is socializing with them saying “SEX OFFENDER” “SEX OFFENDER” or something like that.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:03pmThese preditors are for the most part your son or daughter. Maybe your granddad. These are not crimes comitted by strangers for the most part but by people who are our friends and family. Maybe you should read up on the problem a little more.
Don’t you think that the actions that governments takes to combat a problem shoud have some effect on that problem? Well current laws for the most part only have negative impact Try reading some actual facts on the issue:
Report Post »http://www.ilvoices.com/6201.html
aag3981
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 9:54pmWhat an anti-liberal response… Facebook is a privately owned company. Wouldn’t the conservative response be to allow Facebook to regulate their own site and not give the authority to the state? You shouldn’t allow your own emotional and personal bias to sway your so called political beliefs.
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:13pmFacebook should be banned and all sex offenders should be in prison. Forever.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:39pmIn NC, we think they should ban gay people too. Seems their lobby has been in our faces over the gay marriage clarification amendment. Frankly, they are sickening, violent, name calling mushbrains, incapable of a valid argument…..
Report Post »fecund33
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:59pmFor repeat offenders, I am in favor of reverse lasics. Instead of making the offenders vision better, you make it where they are legally blind. Where they can only see fuzzy images. You can‘t lust upon or attack what you can’t see. The cost of taking care of them as disabled would be far cheaper than taking care of them as prisoners or worse yet, taking care of their innocent victims and or their family. Quite frankly, this should be done to all three strike or more type criminal…can‘t steal from shoot or harm anybody they can’t see!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:13pmNO… I want them… to eat from the Bait Food,,, and not from the Random Innocents!
Report Post »LastCallForEmpathy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:09pmIf people would use the brain in their head they would realize what facebook really is… Everyone should ban themselves from facebook… Well, that is unless you like giving all your privacy to a data mining devise that in turn sells your info to other control freaks… When will people wake the hell up…
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:02pmMost sex offenders in the true sense of the word become repear offenders and seek ways to find new victims. There should be both limits and monitoring of their acivities in a realm that a child or anyone could be a victim. True story of a nursing aid that raped a woman in her thirties that was comatose no one knew until it became apparent the patient was pregnant. Happened in San Diego.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:17pmMost sex offenders DO NOT become repeat offenders: The re-offense rate for sex offenders is one of the lowest of all crimes. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, 5.3% of those listed as sex offenders may re-offend. This means that nearly 95% of all future sex crimes will be committed by someone NOT on the registry.
Report Post »However many more ex felons who were convicted of a sex offence do end up back in Jail because of the inability to get a job (because they are on a sex offender registry) or a place to live (because of residency restrictions) after they have served their time for their crime. In some locations sex offenders cannot live within 1000 feet of a school bus pickup. Now you get out a city map and tell me just where does someone live with a restriction like that?
Do we pass these laws to protect our children and help mitigate the problem or do we pass these laws to BS voters and shoe them how “tough” we are on crime. Just what are we trying to do?
Optimist4now
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:01pmSex offenders should have their offense tatooed across their forheads, their pictures on facebook complete with a warning to the public.
Better yet, just get a life and stop patronizung FACEBOOK!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:47pmI have been saying that full facial tattoo idea for a long time. if there is dna evidence tattoo that idiot and never let him out of prison. while we are at it how about we quit with internet in prison. these people deserve no tv or internet I am sick of them living better than many americans.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:24pmBetween 90 to 97% of sex offenders will never reoffend again. So now you have branded a person for life (as if being on the sex offender registry does not already do that) so how does that person get a job? Where does he or she live? Look this is a real problem and it should be dealt with in a calm fact based manner not with a lot of hyperbole such as your statement. Try doing a little research on the issue rather than just spouting off.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:00pmhere we go again with the ACLU defending sex offenders. These folks need to be hung not ever let out of jail. as a young teen I was attacked by someone let out of jail. God bless my dad who taught me how to fight for my life at a young age. This man went on to attack 13 more young girls without the training I had been blessed with. Sex offenders need a permanent indefinate detention and never taste their freedom again the argument about facebook would then be gone. that comes with the awarness that many women cry rape when in fact it never happened, those women need to face extreme prison sentences, but any sex crime against a child needs life or the chair.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:52pmDoes reoffence occur? Yes it does but 90 to 95% of convicted sex offenders do not reoffend again (according to the US Dpt. of Justice). So what do we do with them? They have paid their debt to society do we keep them in jail or kill them? For what, Vengeance? I do not think you will want to live in a country whose justice system is based on Vengeance. AS emotional an issue as this is why not pass laws and take those actions that will improve the situation not make it worse. We could for instance better categorize offenders and provide better treatment. Many, many studies show that these actions would reduce problem such as the one you describe.
Report Post »So what do we do try to fix the problem or just kill everyone? Because you know the majority of sex offenders come from the victim’s family.
Tax Revolt
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:51amBanned no, but made to register on FB as an offender and then every offenders account should have a banner across the landing page of the account warning people that the owner is a sex offender.
Now as for SO laws. Those do need to be changed. Child molesters, I have no sympathy for as they have destroyed a life. It is worse than death. Quite frankly I think a child molester should have there genitalia removed.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:01pmFacebook is a private company, how can the government have any say in this issue? Anyway, all they have to do is monitor them to ensure they don’t friend children, they already monitor everyone else.
Report Post »Gaius Gracchus
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:14pmYou obviously need to read a little more about sex offenders and the laws passed to “Protect” you from them. Try this site: http://www.ilvoices.com/6201.html
Report Post »don young
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:45amYes.
Report Post »PETTYDRAMA
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:43amBut if they ban all of the child molesters then how will all of the priests be able to get onto facebook?…LOL!
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:55amhow would all the left wing molesters get a date. Hey petty most catholics vote democrate so you are saying democrate left wingers are sex offenders?
Report Post »aag3981
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 10:02pmActually, I believe Republicans win the game of having the most sexual problems.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:41amI am going to start a website just for sex offenders. Should grow in no-time.
Report Post »BobHar777
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:39amIt is helpful to remember that you can be declared a “sex offender” by being caught relieving yourself outside.
I doubt there is a human on earth that has not done that in their lifetime.
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:48amReason #1 I don’t like peeing outside: I always pee on my shoe.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:38amI for one offend sexes,so yes,Let It Be…Speaking Words Of Wisdom Let It Be,Let It Be….
Report Post »brntout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:20pmAnd yes I don’t subscribe to a social site that requires a like,dislike,“friend”me type of formate while posting a favorabe/non-favorable format. Not what We are here for. Distractions,distractions,distractions….
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:30amBanned? No. Monitored? Yes.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:25amNo. If they’re not in prison, then they’ve done their time. No crime should be “permanent”, ever. If they’re still a danger to society, they should still be in prison. Keep in mind people, that you can become a sex offender if you had consensual sex with a woman 5 years ago, and then she decides that heck, she didn’t enjoy it, and reports you. Happens sometimes. You can also be a sex offender if somebody vaults over your gated yard and peers through your blinds at you walking naked in your own home.
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:25amSex offenders should be banned from breathing oxygen.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:32amYoung college men have had fully consensual sex with young college women and 2 weeks later she decides it made her feel like, totally slutty, and turns him in and he is now a sex offender for life. You advocate killing him? Really? Have you actually examined the horror story that is “sex offender” laws?
Don’t get me wrong, throw rapists (of all stripes) in the klink for life. But accepting carte blance the police state definition of “sex offender” means you come out against an awful lot of people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:47amGhost,
Report Post »Have you ever been a victim of a sex offender? I have (I was 9 yrs old). While I will agree that some women will cry rape when what they consented to was not rape, I think there should be some legal way to differentiate between real sex offenders and men that get screwed (no pun intended) by a stooopid woman looking for attention or whatever reason they have for crying rape in the first place. There are real preditors out there that should not be allowed to live. These types can never be changed and should be taken out of this world. Also, I believe women sex offenders should be included.
shagstar
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:50amdamn!! you beat me to the punch! lol
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:54amAmerica, unfortunately what you perceive and want isn’t reality. Reality is that there are plenty of innocent people on sex offender rolls. Until that changes, I’ll never, ever advocate for anything like this. As I said, if they’re still a danger to society, they keep them in prison. There should never be a “lifetime guilt” crime after you’re let out of prison, that’s anti-ethical to American justice.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:13pmSoooo GHOST… I guess the Libertarian in you wasn‘t in favor of Megan’s law then? Although there is a bit of merit to your comment (the sometimes wrongly accused), you also defend sex offenders and liberal, or certain assinine judges who let them out with sometimes a slap on the wrist just to re-offend again.
That’s right though… Libertarians will tell us the statistics just don’t jive with that re-offend thing… just like the superficial argument that mind-altering pot is harmless and our jails are filled with harmless, non-violent folks that shouldn’t be there.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:29pmGet help big guy. The logical fallacy you just used was so simple I’m actually embarrassed to see you use it, expecting it to strike home. Clearly in your haste to post smears and sneers, you didn’t read my post(s) with anything approaching comprehension.
I’ll give you a fresh hearing every thread, but if you insist on trying to regurgitate Debate 101 ad hominem you’re going to be ignored. And thus it is now on this thread.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:01pmGHOST. I really don’t care much about what you in particular think either way except to continually point out the fact that Libertarian views on most anything is as warped asall Liberal views on everything. You’re just the Libertarian prop of the day. They’ll be more along later like you for me to expose as the rotten and foul smelling disease that it is… trying it’s damnest to permiate Conservatism and society as a whole just like Liberalism.
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