Showdown: U.S. Fleet Warns Iran That Closing Straits of Hormuz ‘Will Not Be Tolerated’
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(TheBlaze/AP) — Iran’s navy chief warned Wednesday that his country can easily close the strategic Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, the passageway through which a sixth of the world’s oil flows.
It was the second such warning in two days. On Tuesday, Vice President Mohamed Reza Rahimi threatened to close the strait, cutting off oil exports, if the West imposes sanctions on Iran’s oil shipments.
In response, the Bahrain-based U.S. 5th Fleet’s spokeswoman warned that any disruption “will not be tolerated.” The spokeswoman, Lt. Rebecca Rebarich, said the U.S. Navy is “always ready to counter malevolent actions to ensure freedom of navigation.”
With concern growing over a possible drop-off in Iranian oil supplies, a senior Saudi oil official said Gulf Arab nations are ready to offset any loss of Iranian crude.
That reassurance led to a drop in world oil prices. In New York, benchmark crude fell 77 cents to $100.57 a barrel in morning trading. Brent crude fell 82 cents to $108.45 a barrel in London.
“Closing the Strait of Hormuz is very easy for Iranian naval forces,” Adm. Habibollah Sayyari told state-run Press TV. “Iran has comprehensive control over the strategic waterway,” the navy chief said.
The threats underline Iranian concern that the West is about to impose new sanctions that could target Tehran’s vital oil industry and exports.
Western nations are growing increasingly impatient with Iran over its nuclear program. The U.S. and its allies have accused Iran of using its civilian nuclear program as a cover to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has denied the charges, saying its program is geared toward generating electricity and producing medical radioisotopes to treat cancer patients.
The U.S. Congress has passed a bill banning dealings with the Iran Central Bank, and President Barack Obama has said he will sign it despite his misgivings. Critics warn it could impose hardships on U.S. allies and drive up oil prices.
The bill could impose penalties on foreign firms that do business with Iran’s central bank. European and Asian nations import Iranian oil and use its central bank for the transactions.
Iran is the world’s fourth-largest oil producer, with an output of about 4 million barrels of oil a day. It relies on oil exports for about 80 percent of its public revenues.
Iran has adopted an aggressive military posture in recent months in response to increasing threats from the U.S. and Israel that they may take military action to stop Iran’s nuclear program.
The navy is in the midst of a 10-day drill in international waters near the strategic oil route. The exercises began Saturday and involve submarines, missile drills, torpedoes and drones. The war games cover a 1,250-mile (2,000-kilometer) stretch of sea off the Strait of Hormuz, northern parts of the Indian Ocean and into the Gulf of Aden near the entrance to the Red Sea as a show of strength and could bring Iranian ships into proximity with U.S. Navy vessels in the area.
Iranian media are describing how Iran could move to close the strait, saying the country would use a combination of warships, submarines, speed boats, anti-ship cruise missiles, torpedoes, surface-to-sea missiles and drones to stop ships from sailing through the narrow waterway.
Iran’s navy claims it has sonar-evading submarines designed for shallow waters of the Persian Gulf, enabling it to hit passing enemy vessels.
A closure of the strait could temporarily cut off some oil supplies and force shippers to take longer, more expensive routes that would drive oil prices higher. It also potentially opens the door for a military confrontation that would further rattle global oil markets.
Iran claimed a victory this month when it captured an American surveillance drone almost intact. It went public with its possession of the RQ-170 Sentinel to trumpet the downing as a feat of Iran’s military in a complicated technological and intelligence battle with the U.S.
American officials have said that U.S. intelligence assessments indicate the drone malfunctioned.
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PPMStudios
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:07pmWonder how Ron Paul would’ve handled this one?
Probably, “The Straights of Hormuz is off their border, they can do what they want!!”
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:05pmWe would have our own resources and would not give a dam…
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:38pmYou have to know that this “IS” exactly the response Iran wanted to hear.
Report Post »Evil_Conservative
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:56pmyeah, lets have Ron Paul explain how he would handle this!
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:05pmWe would be minding our own business and not go looking for fights, death, and wealth depletion… the things of fools.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:15pmDrakkhanlord
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:05pm
We would have our own resources and would not give a dam…
Second that but then the next question would be is why is a US Naval fleet in the Persian Gulf to begin with? Wonder how all of you Neo-Cons would feel about an Iranian/Russian/Chinese/N.Korean fleet patrolling the Gulf of Mexico?
I’m a hawk too but damn there comes a point when you just got to realize when you are wrong.. You don’t go to your neighbors house kick their dog and then act surprised when somone in the house attacks you even though you are perfectly capable of clearing the entire neighborhood. It’s not right people neither is it wise.
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:33pmIt is high time we drill our own reserves and tell the middle-east oil producers to pack sand.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:48pm@ PPMStudios
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:07pm
Wonder how Ron Paul would’ve handled this one?
Probably, “The Straights of Hormuz is off their border, they can do what they want!!
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This is so simple that even a 1st grader could answer it. With Paul our Navy wouldn’t be there to begin with, and Israel would have years ago bombed Iran into compliance. All it would have cost the United States and the taxpayer are the gains on our discounted obsolete junkyard hardware.
martinez012577
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:14pmWell anything that effects the United States would be reviewed and if action needed to be taken, he would go to congress with it. If the congress felt military action was needed, we would go to war with a purpose and plan. We would hit as hard as we can with very little held back. After the war conditions are meet we would come home. We wouldnt build a road, hospital, or school. That is what Ron Paul would do.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:23pmThey do not have stealth technology not to be seen underwater. What are they going to strap OUR drone to the top of it and think that they are safe?
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:27pm@MARTINEZ our president will not go into another war. 1 He does not have the balls this is why it is happening in the first place. Because the other leaders know this and they are trying to capitalize on this why our Potus is in charge. RP would eliminate the threat before it even though of.
Report Post »CONNIPTION FITZ
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:17pmYes, perhaps Iran is goading and looking for a fight, but they have been threatening to destroy Israel and attack the US with nuclear weapons when they get one, DESPITE what the MSM and so-called ‘Fact Checkers’ like Politifact have claimed.
These fact checkers were CAUGHT LYING and saying Michele Bachmann was not being truthful by American Thinker (a great blog) here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/bachmann_vs_the_fact-checkers_did_iran_threaten_nuclear_attack_on_us.html
Don’t trust any news media. Check out all of them.
Report Post »ArmedPrincess
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:32pm@1776freedomofspeech
My first point was to your firewall comment. It speaks for itself.
My second point referenced in regards to the quote from Thomas Paine’s “Thoughts on defensive war”. Was that we as a nation are not best served by dictating around the globe. This includes Iran in the what if scenario above. The war drums are pounding, and the anti-Iran propaganda is getting thicker. The military industrial complex and the citizens blood lust will lead us into a very dark and bad place. War should be a last resort option. Wouldn’t the rest of OPEC have something to say to Iran for hurting other member nations profits? There are plenty of other plausible, and less costly to American solutions on how to handle this what if.
smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:53pmCONNIPTION FITZ, complete and utter nonsense. This is your fiction. And, tell us why you had to bring Israel into a discussion regarding America’s security.
Israel‘s interests are not America’s interests. America‘s sons and daughters must stop being sacrificed for Israel’s interests. America‘s wealth must stop being squandered for Israel’s interests. If you and your radical religious fundamentalism desire to be a volitional solder of fortune, go for it.
Stop sacrificing America for your radical religious beliefs… you sound just like the Muslim fundamentalists that you oppose.
Report Post »g00gle-expert
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:54pm“Wonder how Ron Paul would’ve handled this one?”
How about you ask; “I wonder how Brarack Obama would handle this one?”
But them again that would make waayyy to much sense, now wouldn’t it?
ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:00pmLook! We’ve been down this road with the Persians before and it was called “Operation Earnest Will” Our Will over theirs. Guess what? We won that battle. We got the ships back and forth through the straights by placing American flags on them. If you interfered with them, then you could face a direct attack. Been there, done that.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:04pm@ArmedPrincess
Okay, tracking on comment one now. In my country the USA we have freedom of speech. We have blogs here where we exchange ideas and ideals with other people, however I am wanting to exchange ideas and observations with other Americans. I could give a rat’s @$$ as to what an Iranian thinks or a troll from outside the US. Foreign Trolls are not going to change US foreign policy by contributing their spin on the Blaze. And I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you/them that we are right. It is just going to happen, so get ready.
Second point, Iran is seeking a Nuke. That will lead to very bad days in Iran. You like your are an Iranian defend Iran. Have I struck a chord? It seems I have a lot of response from very pro Iran leaning posters, who don’t quite use the english correctly to be Americans, if you know what I mean. Your Handle is ArmedPrincess. What is your preferred sidearm?
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 8:20pmWhat would Paul have done in this situation??? Well this situation would not have happened. They said they were going to close it because of the sanctions. There would have been no sanctions, and besides that we would be a country producing again, and energy independent, and it wouldn’t matter if they closed it.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 9:15pmWhy is Iran threatening to shut the Strait? Because of our sanctions.
What are sanctions? A provocation to war. Sanctions are used by the AGGRESSOR big country against the smaller country to get them to REACT either in compliance or thru war.
Iran threatening to shut the Strait is a direct result of sanctions we have placed on them. This threat is exactly what the US Government wanted as this threat will be spun to say Iran is aggressive and threatening the USA for no reason which will then be used for WAR against Iran.
Ron Paul would not have to worry with these issues. Iran would not threaten to close the strait because we would not be sanctioning Iran nor would we be aggressive in the Middle East.
This is nothing more than an example of blowback. If you sanction a country they will react and reaction, like this, is what is wanted.
Chess not checkers.
http://www.non-intervention.com
techengineer11
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 9:25pmOkie from Muskogee: I read your response and I think that’s exactly right.. Very logical and straight forward that even a child should understand but then I see all of these people falling for this propaganda that Iran is an aggressor.. I just don’t get it. I mean this like teaching a 4 year old the ABCs. You’d think after explaining it a time or two that the people would begin to understand… I don’t know. I don’t know what happend to my America. An America where people were basically good and reasonable.. Honored the Golden Rule and understood it. I hate to say it but I think we’ve lost our soul.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 10:08pmIF we had our own oil ,nuclear power and coal IT WOULD NOT be a problem of course we could continue with obama and use solar,wind and animal dung
endgamer
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 10:09pmQ:Wonder how Ron Paul would’ve handled this one?
Report Post »A: We created the problem to begin with. We should not be there beating the drums of war again. We will have an event and an all out war with IRAN. Undeclared by Congress of course. Israel can handle this on their own. How do you think Iran had these mysterious explosions at their nuke facilities? Israel had something to do with it..
last frontier
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 10:25pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick and tired of these pretend wars that are killing our troops and turning our own country into a police state, training our politicians the art of sharia law, then we rebuild the countries with our Chinese credit card, turn it over to the muslim brotherhood, and use the technology on american citizens.
KeystoneState
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 10:32pmYa know, I hear there’s oil down in Texas.
Report Post »db321
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:52amThe US Navy Fleet warns – what Obama to busy vacationing to make the warning – the US Navy can not make any warning on their own without coming from their Commander and Chief – or in our case Vacationer and Chief. Once again Obama is making someone else do his job.
tbl10
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:00amAnyone remember what happened when we put sanctions on Japan in 1941 and cut off their oil supply. Well let me remind you they got pissed off and bombed the hell out of Pearl Harbor. So let me remind you for every action there is a reaction. Wake up you tools, we are goading Iran to attack. We need to get the hell out of the Middle East all together, drill our own oil, and dismantle the Federal Reserve and the Council or Foreign Relations and we would be in much better shape. Oh wait that is exactly what Ron Paul wants us to do. BRILLIANT!!!
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:09amhow would Ron Kook Paul handled this one?…….. He would let them do whatever they wanted. He would have all the military within the borders of the US
Report Post »Hey ignorant Paulbots, the Founding Fathers: Perhaps Paul forgets America’s 1801-05 war with the Islamic terrorists known as the Barbary Pirates? Paul’s interpretation of American history is a outright Lie! This writer explained in “The Colonial War against Islam”: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=758
Jezcruzen
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 7:51amIt doesn’t matter at all what Ron Paul would do. Why even bring it up? It is about as valid as asking what Ronald McDonald would do. Neither have a say in what is about to happen. You can debate and insult each other all you like, but it MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
Iran is being goaded into making the first move. Some people behind the curtain WANT Iran to do something, and then it starts.
Obumbo will do as he is told. Its not his call. Its his handler’s call.
Its not our call, either. If you think placing one man in the WH will change any of this, you are woefully ignorant of what is really going on. The elections are simply a diversion for the “little people” who still think their vote counts for anything, (as always). The entire game is rigged, folks!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:16amJEZCRUZEN
Report Post »(It doesn’t matter at all what Ron Paul would do. Why even bring it up? It is about as valid as asking what Ronald McDonald would do. Neither have a say in what is about to happen) Ronald McDonald isn’t running for president …..or is he?
Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:25am@smackdown33
“Israel‘s interests are not America’s interests. America‘s sons and daughters must stop being sacrificed for Israel’s interests.”
I will not go into the strategic interests but will address the main interest we have: We as a historically Christian nation cannot turn our back on Israel. God warns those that do and commands us to support them. I am an educated person and can tell you that I do not know God’s plan, and I will not question His word as I willingly submit to God and will not support leaders that willfully disobey His word.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:31am@techengineer11
You are exactly wrong. Iran is the aggressor through their threats of destroying Israel and developing nuclear weapons. We sanctioned Iran to provoke a response: Either comply or make the next aggressive move. They have chosen to move aggressively and we will respond in kind. This is how it should be. Explain to me why Iran is so benign and not a threat in your view?
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:44am@RepubliCorp I am aware of our early American history in the middle east, but the article you linked to provided some great contextual detail.
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:43amWould Ron Paul stop Americans from drilling and refining oil on our own shores? Would he stop the pipeline like barry did? Would he sign ndaa? Would he support doma? Would you vote for someone who would? Do you even know what I am talking about? I highly doubt it!
Report Post »staerker
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:48pmRon Paul is against imposing these sort of sanctions. Iran is closing the strait because of existing and impending sanctions. Thus Ron Paul would not have been facing this problem to begin with. Problem Solved.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:45pmMelvin Spittle: “Explain to me why Iran is so benign and not a threat in your view?”
First of all, I can certainly understand the angst which the Arab people have over the forming of the Nation of Israel. I think that it was wrong and I believe that the Jews stole that land from the Palestinians. That’s my personal opinion and it matters not. I don’t want anyting to do with that mess over there. Nothing at all and as an American, not a Jew or an Israeli I have the right not to be intertwined in that mess created by Balfour, Rothschild and the American Jews.
Iran specifically? We over threw their elected leader in 53 installed a Dictator and the radicals overthrew the Dictator which he had installed in 79 and they have been trying to protect and preserve their interests ever since. Would you be so happy if China or Russia set up a Dictator over America? Would you not want them removed?
I’m not fried of Israel. I’m no enemy either. I want nothing to do with that people and as an American I have a right to not be involved. As far as your Bible interpretations; they are garbage. You are wrong as the day is long. And even if you were correct what has your Bible beliefs got to do with the foreign policy of America? Do we make foreign policy on how you choose to interpret the Bible now? lol
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:12amTech ,
Report Post »i am not a warmonger…i believe in kick aZZ , take names and leave…
i do not believe in illegal wars…
Hossua
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 6:34amI see all you neo-con warmongers are failing to notice the obvious. Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz IF we place sanctions on it. Keep omitting facts and lying to support the endless wars.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:59pmHossua: Well that is because that is what FOX News keeps repeating over and over…. lol
They have become a complete Joke! I wonder if the executives are not Mossad agents… lol
Report Post »LibertyAtStake
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:06pmSo, the Left-tenant says she won’t tolerate aggressive action? That’s nice. I’ll have to hear it from the Appeaser-In-Chief to believe it.
d(^_^)b
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000degrees
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:25pmMaybe Obowma should schedule a trip to Iran. Has he bowed to them yet? Just sayin
Report Post »scheduler
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:37pmThat is the way to do it guys!
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »US_SOLDIER
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:04pmStop and listen to us and stop the people in Washington from expanding this empire mentality, please American people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo&feature=related
Jaycen
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:14pmThis might make too much sense, but why don’t we develop our own oil reserves and beat them financially? Then they have no strangle-hold over us.
The only concern then is whether or not they attack us directly, or if they attack one of our allies. Unless and until that happens, let Israel deal with their own local threat as they have already done (perhaps with a little behind-the-scenes assistance).
That neuters Iran very effectively and makes their posturing seems all the more petty. Ecology alarmists should be relegated to the same standing as animal rights alarmists – ignored.
smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:15pmAmerica must cease being the world’s bully. It has predictable consequences.
1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:24pmI would like to see the US sink the Iranian Navy.
That would be a nice “wake up’ call for you crazy Iranians.
smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:54pm1776freedomofspeech, your warmongering is the problem. Stop smacking people in the face for no reason. And, stop looking for the reason to justify your injustice.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:54pmAll progressives are or will be failed.
Report Post »WASALIBNOWIGOTIT
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:56pmYou can be sure the good lieutenant spoke only after a very specific briefing. It would do you good to remember the United States Navy is our first line of defense around the world. Navy SEALS, sailors and marines are first on the ground everywhere we go, and often the first to die for our safety and security. I wouldn’t dis the Navy if I where you, they are the first to step into the frey every time.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:00pm@WASALIBNOWIGOTIT
Report Post »Ah hmmmm…… My former division was also part of the Rapid Deployment Force. “18 hours or less anywhere in the world ready to fight.” Just sayin’! Takes all branches.
smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:08pmThose who dis the Navy are those who continually seek to squander their lives and waste our wealth.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:15pmWho dis’d the Navy?
Report Post »ArmedPrincess
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:16pm@1776FreedomofSpeech,
Wow, you aren’t a hypocrite at all are you? There is a line from a little known song that goes something along the lines of “….Let mortal tongues awake, Let all who breathe partake,….”. Then again perhaps your right. If you can’t handle others opinions, and instead of being able to argue your point, you would prefer just to bar the doors. You are welcome to your ideas, but instead of locking others out, perhaps you should just show yourself the door. I am strong enough in my convictions to be able to defend them. If you are not, perhaps you need to look a little bit deeper.
“The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them … the weak will become prey to the strong.” — Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:21pm82dAirborne, scroll up three postings. You’ll find the answer.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:33pmRon Paul would dismantle the EPA commies and let us drill for our own oil, and all you people so co cerned about iran… Answer one question for me, why didnt Bush and Cheney handle this little bomb problem ??? Why ??? Nobody has yet to answer that…and if he is the nominee, and you sit out and pout, and Obama gets in again, whats he gonna do with our newest middle eas boogie man, i wasnt even a Paul supporter until recently, but we are broke, and im Damn sick and tired of borrowin 4 billion a day to police the world, and handing the bill to my grandkids…. Not to mention the true national security threat is our southern border and crushing DEBT, so again, tell me why Bush didnt handle this…..
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:35pm@ARMEDPRINCESS
Sorry Princess, I guess I just ain’t that deep. I can’t understand what you are saying.
But if Iran blockades the Strait, I hope the US Navy sinks them all. Over and out.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:37pm@Smackdown
Iran needs to learn a lesson. It is up to them how costly a lesson it is going to be.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:55pm1776freedomofspeech, re-read your post: “Iran needs to learn a lesson. It is up to them how costly a lesson it is going to be.”
Not one factual reason as to why. Not one supporting factual reason. Smells of arrogance. Smells like a bully. Smells just like the Reich.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:02pm@Smackdown
Your posts smell like Iran intell.
Report Post »DesdemonasCrew
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:12pmLol!
Report Post »Vapor Trail
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:04pm1776 FREEDOMOFSPEECH said, “Iran needs to learn a lesson. It is up to them how costly a lesson it is going to be.”
No the US needs to learn a lesson. We have been meddling in Iran’s affairs since 1953 and its caused a lot of blow back.
1953 CIA coup DE ta to overthrow Iran’s government
1979 didn’t intervene…allowed extremely anti American Ayatollah Khomeini to gain power
1980 We convince Saddam Hussein to invade Iran on promises of Intel and weapons.
(interesting side note Israel supported Iran with weapons, Intel, and air strikes on Iraq)
1986 Iran-contra affair US sells weapons to Iran and uses the profits to aid the Contras in Nicaragua (another country we meddled with)
1988 the United States launched Operation Praying Mantis against Iran, claiming that it was retaliation for the Iranian mining of areas of the Persian Gulf as part of the Iran-Iraq war
1988 the U.S. Navy missile cruiser USS Vincennes shot down Iranian Airbus flight 655, which was on a scheduled commercial flight in Iranian airspace over the Strait of Hormuz. The attack killed 290 civilians from six nations, including 66 children. The story goes we mistook yhe Airbus for an F14 tomcat (we sold them F-14‘s in the 70’s), yeah right the radar signatures are just so similar.
1995 Clinton imposes a total embargo against Iran, Europe denounces it.
And the list goes on.
Gee I wonder why Iran doesn’t like us.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:31pm@1776FREEDOMOFSPEECH
I used to think like you. Not too long ago, actually.
Watch this 13 minute video. It will be a life-changer for you.
This will explain Our history in the Middle East.
Also, look up two very important words.
1) Military / Industrial Complex
2) Neoconservative
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 6:34pmthe video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:20pmVapor you are forgetting the Iranian takeover of our embassy. That should have been a declaration of war right there, but jimmy was a wuss and left our people to rot.
1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:21pm@PROBIEMSOIVER
Instead of watching your anti-American propaganda videos, I am going to continue to BBQ these pork ribs, hamburgers and drink the rest of this excellently crafted American microbrewed beer. I am going to add bacon to the hamburgers, because that just sets the burgers off perfectly. After dinner I am going to f a r t, because that’s what you do. All those things I am gonna do instead of watch your anti-American propaganda videos. Burp!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:38pm1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:21pm
” After dinner I am going to f a r t, ”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Very nice.
Forget what I said about looking up those other words.
Look up instead :
Darwin’s Theory of Natural Selection.
This concerns you, directly.
BTW, I love bacon :)
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:46pm@PROBIEMSOIVER
You liked that f a r t line didn”t you. Why do you think people want to click on your videos, links or look up words just because you think they should?
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:53pm@TEXASFIREGUY
Report Post »Sounds like you have been breathing too many vapors. Do you ingest a lot of Fluoridated Water?
You are dense. VAPOR was explaining why they took over our embassy !!!!
You need to watch the 13 minute Video I posted.
You are lost. In 13 minutes, you could be found.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 8:11pm@1776Freedomofspeech
Actually, I could care less about your juvenile retorts.
Report Post »I only reposted your comment, to promulgate your nescience to the masses.
You are bereft of any ratiocination or fundamental political knowledge.
I am done with you.
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:28amDETROIT PAPERBOY if you cant point out what RP has done in the last 30yrs (other than run his mouth) what makes think he will start now? All talk….no walk.
Report Post »PS: he did have a nice racist newsletter!
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:45amwho are the Paulbots?
Report Post »http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition
Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:02am@US_SOLDIER I too am a combat vet and will tell you now that you are being told only a half truth. Here is the other half: Did you know that American citizens were kept as slaves by the Ottoman empire, necessitating not one, but several wars with them (around 50,000 at any given time during the period)? Every treaty we had with them, they broke. They continued to pillage our ships and enslave all Christian passengers and did not stop until they were colonized. After their dependence from colonization, we have enjoyed a resurgence in violent terrorism beginning with the Munich Massacre. They want to enslave you. Do you understand the lie now? Ron Paul conveniently leaves out the historical context of his dangerous view of foreign policy. This alone disqualifies him. Don’t fall for the lies. We are warriors by choice and for just reasons.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:07am@smackdown33
“Those who dis the Navy are those who continually seek to squander their lives and waste our wealth.”
Shut your pie-hole. No one here has “dis’d” the Navy. Read some history if you want to know why we are in a just war and why this war really is with Islam, but we fail to name it.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:56am@ProbIemSoIver Interesting video, but very deceptive when not considered in the context of why we got involved with regime change in Iran in ‘53, which is what ultimately led to 9/11 because we had troops in Saudi Arabia to support Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. We deposed Mohammad Mosaddegh because he was about to nationalize the foreign oil fields that were jointly operated by Iran and foreign companies. These companies were invited by Iran in partnership to build and develop Iran’s oil industry. That was not good enough for Mosaddegh, who aligned himself with the pro-Soviet Tudeh party. That is when we got involved as we did not need the Soviet Union establishing a strategic foothold in the middle east. Yes there is blowback when we get involved but you must consider the bigger picture in the context of Soviet expansion and threat. Ron Paul is an idiot that chooses to stick his head up his…by denying history through his intentionally deceptive spin on WHY we got involved. Change of one little detail can change the whole outcome and that is what has happened. Regime change to Islamic fundamentalists is dangerous to the US. They enslaved 10′s of thousands of Christian Americans before the first and second Barbary wars. This did not stop until they were colonized. Islamic fundamentalism is our enemy and our government refuses to acknowledge that fact.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 7:40pm1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:37pm
@Smackdown
Iran needs to learn a lesson. It is up to them how costly a lesson it is going to be.
That is a vile disgusting attitude! Probably comes from a dweeb or someone who has never even read a book.
Report Post »Deckle
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:55pmGO US! Just blow them all out of the water. Make “shock and awe” look like a local 4th of July fireworks display!
Report Post »S_Malc13
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:05pmYou got the tab?
Report Post »louise
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:41pmDeckle, you said:
GO US! Just blow them all out of the water. Make “shock and awe” look like a local 4th of July fireworks display!
Does it really make sense to go to war with another country over their resource (oil) when we have the SAME resource here in our own country? Why can’t we use our own resources?
Report Post »I find your post very disturbing.
little big man
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:49pmlouise
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:41pm
we wouldn’t be going to war over iran oil. we are simply stopping them from closing down the shipping lanes in international waters.
We can keep our ships out of it just send in a few fast attack subs to sink 20 of their best war ships. see how fast the iran pulls their ships back to port.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:01pm@ Louise: “Does it really make sense to go to war with another country over their resource (oil) when we have the SAME resource here in our own country?”
It would not be Iranian oil only, but also oil from all the Gulf states plus Iraq, which is vital to much of the developed world as well as the US.
Report Post »louise
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:10pm@ Little Big Man, and Drako,
I understand what you are saying. What I am trying to say is that if we had developed our own natural gas, oil, and alternative energy resources from the 1970′s up to today, we would not be concerned about anyone closing the Strait of Hormuz.
RON PAUL 2012
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:45pmAgain i ask, why didnt Bush / Cheney handle this ??? Why ??? Im a hawk but im damn tired of policing the world, while our southern border is wide open, and wake up people, IRAN is not the biggest threat to your way of life, the out of controlCRIMINAL FEDERAL GOVT is the biggest and most immediate threat to YOUR way of life…..
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:10pm@Louise: When Jimmy Carter wanted the US to develop alternative energy sources back in the 1970s, the American people rejected him. Alaskan oil helped save the day in the 1980s-1990s, just as people expect Bakken oil shale and Canadian oil sludge to save the day now. Maybe it’ll happen, maybe not. Sooner or later, we‘ll need to repent and follow Carter’s advice. Talk about kicking the can down the road. . . .
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:54pmMaybe the Obama Administration can just relocate the Occupiers….after Iowa… seem to have a lot of free time on their disgruntled hands…
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:00pmObama is looking t do more apologizing. we wont do anything to iran, and their little prsident knows it
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:20pmArm the OWS’ and have them secure the Strait of Hormuz
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:24pmI hear the OWS are tenacious!
Report Post »sy212
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:51pmI say bring it on, it’s about time we show the Iranian nut-rods we mean business
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:54pmObummer is an a– kisser. No way will he order an attack on Iran. He doesn’t care if gas goes to $10 a gallon. It took him two days to make the decision to take out Bin Laden when it shouldn’t have taken him two seconds.
Report Post »branch manager
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:26pmThe only business this current admin. is involved with is the weakening and distruction of our country. Have we not toppled enough leaders this year? Another war would be the end of our already devestated economy. Lets get out of other countries and nurse ourselves back to health!
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:50pmHere we go again, as long as we dont occupy the place, start building schools roads and water treatment plants, for a bunch of assbackward camelhumpers, just carpet bomb these inbred 7th century clowns, and as far as Ron Paul not wanting to do it…. Please telll me why Bush -Cheney didnt do it ???? Hmmmmmm, or Obama for that matter!!!!! Answer me that…seems like it woulda been a lot easier five years ago, especially when we had troops on both sides of those idiots…. WHY ?
Report Post »kmaneke
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:46pmThank you, I have been saying that for a long while now.
Report Post »In a Military Strategical view, having some Ground Troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan would put Iran Literally between “Iraq” and a Hard-Place. Giving the current way that the Iranian Government is acting.
Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:55pmSmash their fleets, armies, and all their oil production into scrap metal, and then leave them as an example to the rest of the world for “what happens when you decide to challenge the biggest dog in the yard.” I’m through with this notion of rebuilding the dens of the ungrateful.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:06pmHow much are you willing to add to the national debt to inflict a decisive military defeat on Iran?
Alternatively, by how much are you willing to raise taxes?
Even short of full occupation followed by “nation-building,” it would not be easy: Iran is four times the size of Afghanistan, parts of it are nearly as rugged, and it has twice the population of Iraq.
Be aware also that even Iranians who loathe the rule of the mullahs and Ahmedinejad support their country’s nuclear program.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 7:05pmDestruction of Iran does not require sending in a large ground force, it is completely dependent on its oil production to even remain relevant. Oil production facilities are little more than gigantic targets even using the most basic of aerial weaponry. In one move you can send the wannabe world power back to the age of sending hordes of teenage boys equipped with their cute plastic “keys to heaven” to fight against you.
Report Post »wewantchillywilly
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:47pmtime to go sparta on these persians!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:43pmHope you’re not serious. At Thermopylai, the Persians annihilated the Spartans. At Plataia, the Spartans defeated a much smaller Persian force, which had no naval support–thanks to the Athenians. Spartans played no role in Alexander’s final overthrow of the Persian Empire 150 years later. By then, their efforts to exercise hegemony over the Greek world had reduced them to such a pitiable state that he could safely ignore them. That would seem to be a more timely lesson for the US in its present condition as a would-be world hegemon. If we were faced with an Iranian invasion of Europe or the US, the parallel would be more exact, but we’re not.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:19pmThe Greeks were betrayed by Ephialtes when he informed Xrexes of a hidden path over the mountains. The Spartans and the Athenians, sworn to defend their post, held up Xerxes and put down many of his best warriors even though they could have retreated and waited for additional men.
Xerxes was also assisted in that many of the Greek states were already his vassals and immediately made preparations for his host. Each city have to provide two days supplies for 3,000,000 or more soldiers and many attendants. Only the Athenians and Spartans recognized the danger.
By the time he reached Athens, no one was left save for a few die-hards defending the Acropolis. Xerxes occupied Athens. His navy however was to receive many setbacks by the Greeks. Eventually, after many defeats, Xerxes planed his escape. Mardonius was left with 300,000 men to finish the take-over of Greece.
By the time the retreating Xerxes reached the Hellespont, many were dead of exposure and starvation. And ultimately his adventure failed. Which is one reason we enjoy Western Civilization today.
The Light of Greece.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:40pmIran, Russia, and China could aii act in unison. the Somali pirates are now operating off the Oman coast. Our Commander in Chief is way over his head! Enjoy your lifestyle of the rich and famous while you can, Mr. Presudent, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of DC slime.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:45pmPersia (Iran), China, and Russia play a mojor role in prophecy.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:39pmI have an idea. Maybe it makes a little too much sense, but why doesn’t the Navy have a male spokesperson issue the warning instead of a female? I mean, you do want Iran to understand don’t you?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:52pmOh I know what many people are mindlessly thinking, “He’s saying that men and women are not equal”, but I am not saying that. I’m saying: speak Iran’s language! Because the language the Navy is currently speaking is telling Iran that America thinks like a female rather than a male. And the male’ spirit always goes to join the female spirit, and therefore if America is the female and Islam is the male, then America will get Islamified.
Report Post »M13
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:16pmThere you go again not making any sense at all. I told you before make sure your tin foil hat is on correctly BEFORE you start talking.
Report Post »scjeff
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:45pmThe answer is elementary: our women can pound the crap out of Iran. If having a woman tell them to stand down gets their Muslim male dominance goat, that is all the better.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:04pmi wonder why Obama has not issued a statement?….guess he’s exhausted from all the golf and vacations over the last three years.
Report Post »vinnymac46
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:39pm“Give me a reason…”
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:35pmUh-oh, Rebeccah might be in trouble. Her words run counter to the policies of the Pu**y-In-Chief.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:35pmIf we only has a leader, it would have never gotten to this point!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:43pmAgree . The Obama School of Obscure and Confusing Foreign Policy has emboldened our enemies and weakened our allies. This will only hasten the inevitable miss-step. God help us all in this nuclear age over-populated with suicidal crazies…
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:26pmIf we only had a leader we wouldn’t have had 9/11.
Report Post »DesdemonasCrew
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:16pm9-11 was planned during Clinton’s presidency. I agree. We did not have a leader at that time. Thanks for pointing that out!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:33pmObama is so desperate to go down in history as a war winning President he is making more threats and promising more empty and worthless sanctions. Now Iran does have a legitimate right as a naval nation to conduct exercises at sea; yet this also can rapidly turn into a full scale shooting war if our traitor-in-chief is not careful.
A war with Iran and Israel is coming, just look for some provocation in Iraq to occur that will excuse Iran either intervening in the place by establishing a puppet govt or direct invasion.
As for their navy, yes we will be able to sink it beyond doubt assuming Obama just does not up and surrender it to Iran in the first place; yet they still can do considerable damage.
Just remember the ‘impossible’ being done from history…
Pearl Harbor.
Arden woods – invasion of France
Arden woods – battle of the bulge
Vietnam – Tet.
Korea – China interveins
Korea – N Korea invaded.
And so forth…
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:46pmDon’t forget the Nazis and the Russians working together to destroy Poland. Talk about dogs and cats sleeping together!
Report Post »Phoneguy
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:32pmLets start making GLASS out of the place, but don’t ask Ron, lets just do it!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:38pmActually my conversation with the insane man of Iran would go like this…
(Iramian Pres “Mr President of the USA these are our demands you have no choice but to comply with…
(Me as POTUS “General, the code is given, launc at once…”
Report Post »(To Iranian Pres “Mr President, your future is about to be very bright indeed, give Allah my regards…”
Carter John
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:36pmKind of hard to direct your navy if your nothing but ashes.
Report Post »fly892
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:32pmWell, Obama just needs 57 virgins….One for each state he visited……….
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:29pmShutting down the strait is exactly something Barry would like. It would force the fossil fuel issue and blow up the world economy, all while he “considers the alternatives.” While he pretends to be reasonable, the damage he wants done, will be done.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:36pmIndeed, and while the world is in chaos, the enemies of Israel will be free to deal with her in turn. Obama can use an oil crisis to call for military action and impose martial law – perfect situation now that the OWS bands and their union thug allies are in place, the elections are soon to happen, he can now legally impose unlimited detention w/o due process on anyone deemed an enemy of the state, and by executive order have them assassinated w/o due process.
We are on the edge of having him declare himself Emperor Obama the first.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:47pmRead “A World Made By Hand” very creepy!
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:29pmRight, like Obummer will do anything to Iran… please, he only supports the overthrow of dictators that COOPERATE WITH THE US.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:24pmMeanwhile back at the ranch, the Muslim brotherhood, and Progressives are working diligently to cater to Sharia Law and Socialism here in America “Hey look over here but not there.”
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:27pmI guess they just don‘t understand that God isn’t going to let them do it.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:47pmDid YOU really say that ??
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:08pmDid I say what? I tell you just as sure as the sun shines that if America doesn’t stop doing as the “Queen of heaven”, then Islam and Communism is going to screw America in more ways than you can count.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:23pmI wonder if Lt.Rebarich received clearance from Obama to use such harsh language: “Will not be tolerated.“ ”Always ready to counter malevolent actions….” As in blow their asses out of the water or yet another firmly worded letter?? I’m not sure….
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:22pmOk, U.S. Fleet put up or shut up!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:27pmWanna sound like a warmongering Neoliberalcon?
All ya gotta do is chant “GLASS PARKING LOT!” over and over again in a delusional stupor.
Report Post »M13
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:19pmWant to sound like an idiot ? Just follow Ron Paul around for about an hour. Maybe you can get rich by following his 4 step plan on insider trading.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:54pmSomebody is jealous…
Hey M13, you aren’t convincing anyone to not vote for Ron Paul by following his supporters around trolling their comments and making little snide remarks. If you think you’re mimicking or mocking me, you might wanna try using pejoratives that actually mean something relevant to the topic at hand instead of blatant ad hominems insults.
Report Post »M13
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:22pmAnd here you are responding to my post. You truly are a Paulbot.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:17pmSo what? I can respond and you still sound like an idiot.
My response to your idiocy doesn’t affect my character. Your characterization of me as a Paulbot for challenging your stupidity doesn‘t affect Ron Paul’s character. You fail on both accounts.
You just look like an idiot getting chastised.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 6:42amYou are forgetting that we are at war with ****, so the warmongering quips are not relevant.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:01amWe’re at war with WHO? (your comment got censored)
We haven’t declared war on ANY NATION WHATSOEVER. This isn’t war..this is KINETIC MILITARY ACTION …HUMANITARIAN LOVE BOMBS according to this lying government.
The National Defense Authorization Act declares WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
The term “Warmongering” is not relevant to who..YOU?
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT IS RELEVANT TO ANYONE ELSE?
NONE of these “Kinetic Military Actions” are in our interest. NONE of them.
What do I gain from my government teaming up with Al Qaeda to overthrow Gadhafi after he already gave up his nukes and giving Al Qaeda Libya as a base of operations? What do I gain from Hillary Clinton setting up the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? What do I gain from the US Attacking IRAN??
NOTHING BUT MORE INSECURITY. THIS DOESN’T INCREASE OUR SECURITY!!!
IT’S NOT IN OUR INTEREST!!
WE’RE BROKE!!!
BROKE!!!
B.
Report Post »R.
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Lenzman58
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:21pmGo ahead….make my day.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:21pmUnfortunately I doubt if our Commander in Chief has the intestinal fortitude for anything except verbal threats and Iran knows it. Should Iran close the Straights of Hormuz there is a very good chance that all the United States would do is after making allot of threats, they would go to the U.N. where nothing would be done. Let’s not forget that it is an election year, and Mr. Obama isn’t going to do anything that might hurt him when it comes to getting votes from his political core.
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:50pmAnd you know that Iran is using that as leverage too.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:18pmThe Persians… never learn!
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:18pmIt would be a shame if the president had to ruin his vacation over this matter.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:16pmMore sabre rattlin’.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:25pmThis is ridiculous. Our government is criminal, arrogant, and dangerous.
They seek to impose sanctions on Iran to provoke a war, and then when Iran decides to impose their own threats of sanctions, the US threatens them saying closing the Strait of Hormuz will not be tolerated?
Who the hell does our government think we are? Oh yea…we’re the police of the world telling a sovereign nation that their actions in their region will not be tolerated even though we are attempting to foment unrest in their country in order to destabilize it… and threatening sanctions for weapons that don’t exist… not to mention covert operations…
This is Iraq all over again.
This time, headed by Bush’s cousin Barack Obama.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 1:46pmV-MAN: You forget to mention Saddam’s distant religious cousin in Iran ….
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:15pmV man When has sanctions ever accomplished anything with a nut job country hell bent on the destruction of anyone or anything? North Korea worked out well huh? Its baffling how you consider Iran a sovereign nation and the US as an enemy of peace. Buring your head in the sand at club paul will not keep you safe. You must confront evil not ignor it and hope for the best.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 2:31pmWhen you speak of a nutjob country hellbent on destruction of anything and everything, you aren’t talking about the United States, are you?
If you haven’t noticed, our country is transforming into North Korea, with the government passing bills to assassinate or detain citizens indefinitely, and a police state is being erected around us.
Your cognitive dissonance is going to get YOU killed. I consider Iran a sovereign nation derived from the sovereignty of its own people, just as I consider the United States to be a sovereign nation derived from the sovereignty of its people.
I‘m sorry that you’re so bothered that I don’t go paranoid around the world chanting “GLASS PARKING LOT!!” like the rest of you while my rights and freedoms are being trampled on here at home, making excuses about it keeping me “safe”.
You have a false sense of security and cognitive dissonance and it is going to cost you everything.
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:03pmDam V-man ,
You just laid the smack of Truth on these people.
Live Free , Die Well…
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:28pmV when did I say “Glass parking lot”? hhhmmm, Thats right because I never have. You can thank all the folks who wanted to make history by voting barack into office (and yes he is an affirmitive action president that does not represent me.i’m not a minority nor a union member). You can thank anyone who split the vote that helped barack get elected. The socialistic monster that has been created by barack is the fault of the uneducated and self entitled.
Yes, a lot of our problems started after 9-11 in the name of national security. Liberty has been shat upon. But,that doesn’t mean you cower in the face of evil. You cannot negotiate with evil. If you coddle it, it will end up in your back yard.
If the rest of our nation would have “listened” to what barack was saying and took him at his word, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now. Listen to what has been promised by Iran since carter was called president. You can take them at their word.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 3:51pmJLGunner
I think you’ve bought into the entire “Axis of Evil” propaganda by the corrupt war criminals Bush and Cheney much too deeply. You’re talking about confronting evil as if Iran is the abode of Satan. Then you go off on some tangent about Barack being an Affirmative Action president who doesn’t represent you, as if that has any relevance to the discussion at hand.
You’re completely oblivious that Bush started this policy of Preemptive Warfare and Obama is simply continuing it under the weak veneer of Humanitarian Aid after deliberately fomenting dissent within these countries to destabilize the region as a pretext. It has nothing to do with socialism other than the fact that the corrupt governments of the world are using it as a foil to exploit useful idiots to achieve their goal, a New World Order just like Gorbechev said.
And to top all of that, 9-11 was an inside job. So the entire premise is moot.
Report Post »Carter John
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 4:50pmV
Report Post »Until a legitimate investigation says it was an inside job the 9-11 comment is considered a conspiracy theory. To most people you voided out that last comment by saying that. Iran is not the abode of satan hell is, and that’s biblical. However, people do evil things. And they need to be stopped, like a serial killer needs to be stopped. I would much rather things be settled nonviolently but rarely is a criminal peaceful when caught committing a crime. Until we can use our own oil we will be hurt if the straights are closed, and unless we hurt those who hurt us they will do it more that is human psychology. If we get a president and congress who listen to us, America will once again be feared once stirred. Then the situation would be moot because no one would make threats like that in the first place.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:37pmCarter John
Who ordained you to speak for “most people”?
Our government is doing some pretty evil things to our Bill of Rights, our Constitution, our currency, and our bodies through forced medication (fluoride in the tap water), genetically modified food, spraying aluminum dioxide and barium salts on us in chemtrails, etc.
Who’s going to stop THAT evil?
What about Obama shutting down power plants using the EPA? My electric bill has doubled, who’s going to stop THAT evil?
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:43pm@Carter John…….The government’s story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory.It doesn’t take much investigating to know that 9/11 was an inside job. We will never have a legitimate investigation by the government…it just won’t happen.There is ample evidence…overwhelming evidence, that the official story is a lie and the 9/11 Commission’s (Omission Commission) report was nothing but a whitewash job.
Report Post »1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 6:58amAh, if Iran gets nuke capability and then uses it on us (The USA), what is your answer to that V-Man Mace?
Kinda like a 9/11 type event that we are not prepared to allow to happen. The decisions are made already, we are just waiting for the pieces to fall into place.
Report Post »Carter John
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:29amV
Report Post »Nobody “ordained” me, I go off the fact that when I talk to people about it almost never do I hear people stating that as fact. Half my family is in S GA another quarter is in TX and the rest are in N FL, if there is another are of people more distrustful of the government I’d be surprised. and this evil we put on ourselves by not paying attention to the people we voted in? That’s the part where we vote in people who listen to us, and do what needs to be done, Unless you plan on not voting you me and every person who votes will take care of that evil. That’s all we can do aside from pressure those we already have, and most of those don’t listen.
RiseandShine
I didn’t say an investigation by the government, I know the 9-11 commission didn‘t do it’s job. All I said was legitimate, as in a third party that has no motivation form not looking into certain things. I know that the commission screwed up but that doesn‘t mean I’ll say that someone intentionally let it happen like it’s a tried and proven fact like some people do.
Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:04am@V-MAN MACE
Proof for all to see that you are an idiot:
“And to top all of that, 9-11 was an inside job. So the entire premise is moot.”
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 3:18pmIf…if…if.
Iran doesn’t have the capability to nuke the US, let alone anywhere near approach Israel’s over 300 nukes.
Melvin Spittle (what a stupid name)
If you believe anything this lying government says after it has been caught lying so many times, then you, sir, are the idiot.
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