‘Slaying the Tax Monster’: This Is Herman Cain‘s New ’9-9-9 Movie’
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It’s been a tough month for GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain. The former frontrunner slipped to third place in a national poll that came out last week by Quinnipiac University. His diminishing popularity has been blamed primarily on the sexual harassment charges waged against him and on his stumbling over policy questions.
With sinking poll numbers, the Cain camp is likely looking for a way back into the top GOP slot. So, last night, the campaign released the trailer for its “9-9-9 The Movie: Slaying the Tax Monster,” a short film that puts the candidate’s tax plan into animated action.
Unlike the previous campaign ad featuring Cain’s Chief of Staff Mark Block, this video falls more on the side of “entertaining” than on “purely odd.” Here’s the 30-second trailer, during which the federal tax code is referred to as “a dorky mechanical monster”:
The full film, which extends to five minutes and fifty seconds claims, if Cain’s tax plan is implemented, that, “The economy would accelerate faster than Barack Obama on his way out of town.” Additionally, the movie makes the bold assertion that enacting 9-9-9 would lead to the creation of six millions jobs.
While it doesn’t get into the real intricacies, the video does an excellent job of explaining what the tax code — from a surface perspective — would look like under Cain. First and formost, the current tax code, which the video depicts as a disastrous mess, would be demolished.
Then, as the clip shows, many of the taxes that have become commonplace for Americans to pay would essentially disappear — the individual income tax, the corporate income tax, the capital gains tax, the marriage penalty, the death tax and the payroll tax, among others. In place of these fees, there would be 9 percent income tax, a 9 percent business tax and a 9 percent national sales tax.
The movie doesn’t avoid controversial portions of the plan, either. The national sales tax, which many fear the would grow in time to be much higher than 9 percent, is contended with. The film attempts to dismiss concerns surrounding it, while taking into consideration the nervousness people have about such a proposal.
This morning, Cain appeared on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends,” where he discussed the movie. He said, “I have a free gift for everyone. It’s called “9-9-9 The Movie.” Watch his comments, below:
In the end, the video quips about Cain’s plan, claiming that it “slices off lots of other bureauctatic tentacled already forging in our pockets — I mean other than the TSA.”
Watch the “9-9-9 Movie,” below:
(H/T: Gateway Pundit)
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Comments (126)
AuntJane
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:15pmI’m a bit concerned about how the 999 plan will affect the poor and elderly but everyone is already being bled dry! I first though that this might completely move things like a new car out of my reach but then it dawned on me that it already is.
Report Post »One very big advantage I can see is that is would be much cheaper to implement. Anyone have any figures concerning the IRS’s operating budget?
Might affect the number of employed. Any idea how many people work for the IRS?
Go Cain. At least he has some common sense!
Jaycen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:22pmAgreed.
Herman Cain understands Freedom and Business. At this point, it’s good enough for me.
The 9/9/9 plan probably won’t happen, but if it does, any shakeup of the existing tax structure will generate debate and discussion and that’s good for our country. If he only succeeds in driving the discussion, at least that gives the next guy a chance to put a dent in this monstrosity.
Report Post »Delta_River_Folk
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:50pmSOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME, why do Educated, Patriotic Americans willingly accept the fact that the Federal Government is suppose to collect income taxes directly from citizens, when initially it was considered unconstitutional by our Founding Fathers.
Can we not STOP and re-evaluate wrong decisions made in the 1910’s by greedy politicians. Why do we just go on accepting that we have to keep their corrupt, uncontrollable tax system? It is up to current generations to wipe the slate clean and start all over. IT CAN BE DONE
(1) Restore States’ Power by REPELLING the AMENDMENTS passed in the 1910’s that allowed the Fed Gov to tax citizens directly and stopped the States from appointing Senators,
(2) CREATE A NEW TAX SYSTEM where States collect 100% of taxes and then forwards a percentage of that money to the Fed Gov. Percentage is based on State’s population,
(3) REDUCE THE FED GOV’S SPENDING to include only military defense, foreign relations, and responsibilities initially outlined in the Constitution then individual States would take over all other spending.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:07pmAs someone with poor family members: it would be awesome. It really would. It would save a lot of people whom are on their way to be poor as well (aka, my parents and me). The current tax figures are total BS; there’s a lot of hidden stuff in there. And trust me; low income is not taxed as low as they claim. My sister has a salary around 24k-26k per year (and is a single mom) and in total gets taxed somewhere around 15%. She‘s not sure for certain because the tax is so complex she doesn’t know the actual number, only that it’s around 15%. It’s not a drag on the elderly either. Maybe for some people in certain situations; but as a whole it’s a lifesaver. My family has 5 living generations with the oldest members zoning in on 100 years. It would reduce a lot of financial burden for most of the older members of my family, and it would not negatively affect any of them. Also it would allow people to plan their money better because they would know up front how much they owed. I see the fact that tax attorneys and consultants exist at all as a very bad sign. I’m on the Cain Train, never have gotten off, because 999 is the only plan that I could guarantee would save my entire family. All of it. Extended and immediate. My family is pretty dang close to the current norm for families in trouble too. Also, it would drastically reduce the size and power of at least part of the government – something I see as a bonus.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:42pmSerikfox… I do taxes for a living and I have a Masters degree in Accounting. After hearing about the 9-9-9-9 plan I of course created a simple spreadsheet to see if one would really pay less tax under Cain’s plan. Taking your sister as an example… I assume she is a single filer if she is paying that much tax on such a salary. My spreadsheet only assumes that one receives standard deduction and personal exemption (for simplicity). When I plug your sister’s approximate income into my calculation she pays about 17% (the variance from her estimated 15% is probably due to other deductions or credits for which I take no account). Under Cain’s plan she will pay about 21%. This is EXCLUDING the 9% sales tax. I suppose she spends a good part of her income on food. This would of course increase her tax burden even more.
If you’d like I can give you a breakdown of how I came up with the figures. Also, concerning the IRS… Cain’s plan would require regulatory bodies to police the collection of sales tax and to regulate what a “new good” is. He also had to tweak his plan because it increased taxes on the poor so much… he did this by creating “opportunity zones” for those with lower incomes. This exempts those below the poverty line (about $22,000) from the tax on income. He also plans to let businesses in areas with high unemployment deduct payroll from their bottom line. Now who is going to regulate all that? His plan necessitates a HUGE amount of bureaucracy and regu
Report Post »CyberJocky
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:15pmThe main problem I have with it is that he wants a 2/3 majority to trigger raising the rates.
Honestly that’s like appointing the Fox to guard your hen-house. I think there should be a trigger that says something like if ever the rates taken together rise by more than 10% it should take a nationwide referendum.
The sales tax is also going to hit me pretty hard, my sales tax is already 8.25% so with this I’d be paying 17.25% on every purchase (minus food I hope). Since I’m currently not working, it would lower my already meager lifestyle.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:51pmNo matter how you view this plan it is perhaps the most regressive tax plan ever proposed. 9% flat tax for everyone would certainly favor the wealthy as would a federal sales tax of 9%. Also, doubt it would come anywhere near generating enough revenue to cover the federal nut. Not sure how he is handling Medicare and SS.
Report Post »9111315
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:24pmDid you watch the second clip? Your answers are there.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:26pm@Seri and Gilber…
First – I agree with Seri…Cain has been my choice since he was rumored on running and still is..warts and all.
Second – Gilber..i would love to see your numbers because they don’t match mine…and yes,, Seri said his sister was a single mom…so she should be filing as a head of household with a 2 or 3 for exemptions…
that all being said….the two groups of people I would NEVER trust on this issue are politicians and tax attorneys (Bachmann) or tax accountants. After all, if the tax code was simply enough that average citizens could do it themselves and average small business owners could do it themselves, YOU would all be out of business since that is where 50-75% of your money comes from.
As for Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan, being honest, it would COST me more on tax day but I am still for it because it would force the 47% of Americans that PAY NOTHING, GET FULL REBATES, OR GET REBATES IN EXCESS OF THEIR FULL AMOUNT to have to PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!!
My FED income tax rate works out to about 5%, State 8% – with my family of 5, married, mortgage deductions, charity deductions….
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:36pmI sure hope that in Herman Cain’s PLAN, there is room to DISMANTLE some of this no-good, crony, and USELESS departments, like the Department of Energy and the Department of Education, to name JUST A FEW. If he can do that, HE CAN HAVE MY VOTE as I don’t believe I have heard any Republican candidate include that in their plans. They talked about the fact that there ARE these departments we don’t need, but if you look closely, it would save the taxpayer BILLIONS, if we shut those useless depts down. Yes, it would mean some would be out of a job, but then maybe they could go to other empty spots in more useful areas. GET RID OF THE DEPT OF ENERGY AND EDUCATION – they are both run by cronies who DO NOTHING FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:48pmVRW… I would love to see a flat tax OR fair tax that would eliminate the IRS and yes, my job. I would gladly work as an auditor or cost accountant. I’ll write up my figures and post them in a few hours.
By the way, I just read an article about another new part of Cain’s tax plan that would only allow businesses to deduct the cost of US manufactured components (but not foreign components). Here is another level of regulatory burden which would emerge from his plan. I‘m sure all the creeps at the IRS would have no trouble finding cushy jobs under Cain’s plan.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:49pmFor years there has been discussions about whether there should be a Fair Tax or a Flat Tax — so Cain wants to settle this by trying to push both.
@VRW Conspirator Why worry about the 47% that don’t pay taxes? All that means is that we are halfway to having no taxes for everyone! Remember . . . the idea is to cut spending . . . it is not about how everyone should be taxed.
If the corporate taxes were reduced to zero then all the “loop holes” would be redundant. In other words, you don’t need to waste a lot of time on “simplifying” the tax code.
Simplifying the tax code would end up being a huge tax increase on corporations — even at 9% — since they will no longer be able to deduct their labor expenses and electricity expenses and etc.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:02pm@9111315 I did and there is no way the 9 9 9 plan will cover SS, Medicare and Defense. And when the wealthy and the large companies get done with it their will be enough tax credits to bring most of them to the minimal effective rates they pay now. A tiered flat tax would be a better approach. perhaps 5%, 10% and 20% for the highest income bracket. No deductions, no credits. And there has to be a concerted effort to eliminate the cash only economy and the use of illegal workers that allow countless small businesses and individuals to avoid paying taxes on their real incomes.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:24pmHere is my calculation, feel free to correct any mistakes, as I already found some small ones when I took a second look.
Current tax code – Employer deems sister to be worth 30,000. Employer pays 7.65% in payroll taxes, or 2,295. Employee receives 27,705 and has 5.65% withheld, or 1,565. Income received is 26,140. Take out the standard deduction and personal exemption (8,500 and 3,650). That leaves taxable income at 13,990 and tax of 1,489. Add up all the taxes and you have 5,349. That is 17.83% tax.
Cain’s 9-9-9-9 plan – Employer deems sister to be worth 30,000. Employer pays 9% in payroll taxes or 2,700 (Cain never mentions this extra 9, but it appears because he eliminates the deductibility of wages for businesses). Employee receives 27,300. This is also taxed at 9%, or 2,457. That leaves 24,843 to spend on goods. We conservatively assume that half of that is spent on new goods. That is 12,422 taxed at the 9% sales tax, or 1,118. Add up all the taxes and you have 6,275. That is 20.92% (I mistakenly stated in my previous post that the 21% didn’t include the sales tax, but it did).
I initially did the calculation with $50,000 of income for a family of 4 filing jointly and the outcome is a little worse. Add in child tax credits, mortgage deduction, charitable contributions, etc., and the disparity grows and grows. Jeff65 is correct… most business will end up paying more because they are not allowed to deduct wages. This would result in even higher priced good
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:40pmI am very afraid for this country because so many still have not woke up to the fact that we are living as a Socialistic type gov and it will only get worse. Why are so many still afraid of going back to Constitutional principles instead of trying to be more like Europe? This just boggles my mind. Everyone seems to have been brainwashed through the media that we have to be the police of the world and continue to spend ourselves out of exsistence. Individual Income Tax is Unconstitutional, always has been and always will be. The FED is the economic problem maker, but everyone is too afraid of not being able to borrow themselves into bankruptcy. It is our grandchildren that we are going to hurt the most. Is that what everyone wants, to make life as hard as possible for our grandchildren?? I am sick to death reading the posts from all of you that are still in denial. Get a clue and vote for the Constitution, unless you are wanting your offspring to suffer for all their lives.
Report Post »clarity2199
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:53pmI think Herman Cain’s plan in a great idea. He’s the only one I know actually coming out with any real ideas. I’ve heard a lot of people giving complaints about it, but he’s got to fight this through Congress to get this through. If you make it too bad for them, there‘s no way they’ll do it. That’s why no one considers the idea of wiping out the income tax…they know the governing bodies will never agree on it. It wont happen! The only way something like that could ever possibly happen is in steps….progressive backwards steps.
Report Post »If the people of the United States are determined enough to get the government back in line, they need to make them take steps backwards, and not just get to a certain point, then turn away and get back to our own lives again…ignoring them again, like we’ve done before. The question is…what’s the chance that people are going to be vigilant and stay vigilant? We’re having trouble getting people to pay attention, now.
And that’s why removing the income tax seems so impossible, as well as getting other things in our favor. We really need to start small and then keep chipping away…if we can do it. Only then will things like that be possible.
Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:25pm@clarity2199 The problems you outline is why it is so important to reduce spending and remove the Federal Reserve (or it least neuter it). It is a futile task for the people to get behind reducing taxes, since spending is what drives the need for taxes. So we should be preasuring DC to stop spending. Get behind Ron Paul’s plan to cut $1T the first year and balance the budget within 3 years. To take any longer than that is a pipe dream, since polititions can’t control spending beyond the current years budget. With the people behind the push for less spending, the taxes can then be reduced more.
It seems like a distraction to get everyone focused on taxes. Probably done so on purpose.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:06pm999 is NOT transparent enough to deter cronyism!
Cronyism is made possible with fiat money – something this former Federal Reserve of Kansas City Board of Directors still either doesn’t get, or isn’t telling us.
If government has recourse to a printing press, it doesn‘t matter whether Cain’s plan is 1-1-1, because government can still grow at the expense of the tax-payers, and of course, at the expense of our Constitution, which does NOT allow, as some have noted, for an income tax OR a national sales tax.
Herman Cain doesn’t understand economics. And he won’t until he learns Austrian Economics.
See here.
Herman Cain vs. Ron Paul On Predicting The Economic Collapse
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0EApd5wgw
colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:56pmIt doesn‘t matter if it’s 999 or 111, if our dollar keeps being devalued and inflated, our money will be practically worthless. We will owe the same 999 while the price of everything else goes up, due to inflation; and we won’t be getting any raise to adjust for this increase in prices. We must cut spending, stop borrowing money, and stop printing money. And while we’re at it, lower taxes, stop creating new taxes and stop raising the debt ceiling. Now that’s a plan I would be able to believe in. We must restore sound money and implement sound monetary policies. The federal Government [The Federal Reserve] causes inflation. Not business. Not labor.
Ronald Reagan said, “In the 1960′s, the federal Government decided to stop tying the value of the dollar to gold. This permitted them to PRINT as much money as they wanted to spend. And that‘s WHY we’ve had THIS crippling inflation. We’ll NEVER regain price stability until we RESTORE some form of GOLD backing to the dollar. As President, MY FIRST PRIORITY will be to make the dollar the most trusted currency in the world.”
Government Debt and You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bABJyRPmQyE
What plan does Cain have to decrease the size of the federal Government, cut federal programs, cut real spending, and ensure a sound monetary policy?
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:32pmThe 999 plan is dangerous and we should be wary that Cain was a part of the Federal Reserve. As Mike Maloney has said in an interview once “The Federal Reserve is the greatest ponzi scheme of all time, they create money out of thin air and loan it to the US government with interest. The problem is that if they create the first dollar into existence where do we get the 2nd dollar to pay back the interest on the first?” This is the Federal Reserve system in America and is why our national debt can never be solved until we deal with this private global banking cartel that controls our money and is outside of our government. Only Ron Paul so far has said he wants to audit the Fed and even Herman Cain laughed and said the Federal Reserve doesn’t need to be audited and that it is a transparent organization, only soon later to be revealed secret loans to foreign banks.
Ron Paul on Cain’s 999 plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisY5mZmls8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHP9MXVevjg
Here is the list of primary election dates for every State please spread the word to vote for Dr. Paul to get on the Republican ticket.
Report Post »http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-republican-primary-schedule/
crazyrightwingmom
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:31pmGilbertact: Only those who purchase extra items than food or necessities have to worry. AND the cost of things will come down, evening it out. They people who buy more are the people who should pay more, not he ones who want to invest or hold on to their money!
You need no new beauracracy….we already have Sales Tax departments!
CAIN is the only one bold enough to turn this country around.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:49amCrazymom… you miss several points. Prices will not come down, this is not a fair tax. Imagine you own a company which makes 10,000,000 in revenue and has 8,000,000 in operating expenses (30% of which is dedicated to wages – which is about average). Today that leaves 2,000,000 to be taxed at an average of 18%. That is 360,000 in taxes.
Under Cain’s plan, the 2,400,000 you spend on wages is not deductible. That means that you have 4,400,000 to pay taxes on at his 9% tax rate. That is 396,000 in taxes, or 36,000 more than under the current system.
When you include current payroll taxes, the tax burden ends up being about the same. Many Cain supporters completely overlook this.
As for the regulatory aspects of his plan… what about the part of Cain’s plan that would only allow businesses to deduct the cost of US manufactured components (but not foreign components)? Who regulates this? (not to mention that this is completely antithetical to free markets). What about the part that allows certain companies in struggling communities to deduct wages? Who decides which communities and which companies are allowed to do this? Do you not think that there will be enormous amounts of lobbying to qualify? Does this not open the doors for corrupt congressmen to give deals to companies in their districts? What about the sales tax only on certain goods? Our current departments do not have to regulate this right now.
Don’t get caught up in the catchy slogan. It’s a horrible
Report Post »fldammy
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:39amIf you are worried about the national sales tax, review the video starting at 1:41 since the retail prices will go down as business no longer have to deal with recouping 35% taxation on their profits as they currently do now. Dirty secret is this, corporations do not pay taxes, they just make the consumer pay it for them by increasing the product costs.
Report Post »opnsrcsurvival
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:07pmYa think any of these twits will make a difference? None of them live in the real world. Start thinking locally, shop locally, sell locally, barter locally. Disengage from the “nationalistic ponzi system”
Become self sufficient, grow a resilient community!
http://www.opensourcesurvival.com
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:03am@opnsrcsurvival,
“Start thinking locally, shop locally, sell locally, barter locally. Disengage from the “nationalistic ponzi system”
“Become self sufficient, grow a resilient community!”
This view seems logical, at first, because you have more direct control of the creation of the goods you will consume.
The problem is that there is only so much that you, or your little community, can produce, on your own. It is BECAUSE of the wide network of divisions of labor across America, and to the extent that other countries allowed us, around the world, that the economic freedoms we once had allowed us to become so economically productive.
It is only because of government intervention that we have (for the past 100 years, or so) things like crony capitalism and economic crashes.
On your issue about buying locally, I would recommend the following video.
See here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 23: The Importer) by Walter Block
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTT_WHyzZ54
dontbotherme
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:03pmIf Cain is not elected President, he should be put in charge of the IRS. That would be fun to watch. I liked his “movie”.
Report Post »Bumr50
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:53pmStill on the Cain Train, just in case anyone else here who might support him are dispirited.
Big Gingrich expose here. Endorsing Berwick?
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/28/newts-health-problems
Not cool.
Roll Cain 2012!!!
Report Post »ares338
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:38pmWhy..why…why, make this complicated? We don’t need 9-9-9 or anything but a flat tax. Whether you make a trillion dollars or one dollar you pay a % of it. In taxes. Dump the IRS because they are criminals and jack booted thugs. It’s not as they say “rocket surgery.”
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:56pmWould this make the additional city & local taxes we pay as well…illegal? I pay those here. Some are voted on and some are not.
9-9-9 don’t mean jack if the ability for states/cities/localities to create long/short term additional taxes illegal.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:10pmIt needs to be slightly more complicated so it can easier adjust to current times. My personal theory would be to find 5 specific taxes, set those at the necessary rate, and pass that tax code as an amendment with specific limits to situations in when the taxes could be raised or lowered.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:47pmARES338:
Report Post »I have to agree with you on this one.
Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:33pm@The_Almighty_Creestof Eliminating the IRS wouldn’t affect any of your local taxes. It just means the federal gov. would no longer have a means to steal money from you. Spending needs to be reduced FIRST – quickly and drastically. Reduce the power of the FED then end it when things are in place.
Local taxes are how things should be done. You have more direct control over them and the money collected is used for the people that pay. You also have a chance to move to another state if your state is charging too much or to a different city if your city gets carried away.
Report Post »Bumr50
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:36pmRon Paul is never going to be president.
Herman Cain is not evil because he sat on a fed board.
End transmission to whatever planet it is that you morons ‘occupy.’
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:40pmpot, meet kettle.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:20pmExcellent. Right on, BUMR50.
Ron Paul is surrounded by anti-Semites. Most of his policies are Leftist. He is one scary dude.
Report Post »raybojabo
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:29pmWhy do Ron Paul supporters sound like whakos? Because they are.
http://lisarichardsusa.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/code-pink-and-ron-paul-leftist-bedfellows/
Report Post »Fella
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:53pmLisa Richards blog. Hahaha another progressive masquerading as a conservative. She‘s been busted outright lying and plagiarising so many times that she can’t even get published anywhere. Thats why the only place you’ll ever see her words written is in the dark recesses of the internet where she caters to the neoconservative slander machine.
Nice try, moron. Criticize Paul and his supporters all you want but at least put up something credible. Good grief. This place has become a cesspool for idiots.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:24pmYeah. Because we all know the extreme Left wants to cut spending, lower taxes, make no new taxes, pass no bailouts, not raise the debt ceiling, stop borrowing, stop printing, downsize the federal Government, secure our borders, end all benefits to illegal aliens and their anchor babies, balance the budget, dismantle the DOE, EPA, FDA, IRS, TSA and ATF, protect our gun rights, seek free market solutions, appoint conservative judges, pass pro-life bills, get out of the UN, the the UN out of the US, promote home schooling, end birthright citizenship to anchor babies, not pass amnesty for illegal aliens, end the IRS, replace the national Income Tax with nothing, end all welfare, stop the Nanny State, respect Israel’s independence and sovereignty, implement sound monetary policies, restore sound money, audit the Federal Reserve, get out of NAFTA, protect the Posse Comitatus Act, secure private property rights, sell off federal lands to private owners, allow pilots to be armed, privatize social security, end free public schools for illegal aliens and their kids, enforce the tenth Amendment against the powers of the federal Government, allow the free market to proceed without Government intervention, etc.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:39pmOh, wait. I’m pretty sure it was the other candidates that supported TARP, bank bailouts, and raising the debt ceiling. Silly me.
Who’s Consistent? youtube.com/watch?v=B7RaYbToq7Q
Who supported TARP? youtube.com/watch?v=A2EqhZND1_I
Who’s the only candidate that has a 2nd Amendment web page on their website, and has been Rated A by the NRA? ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/second-amendment/
“Rep. Ron Paul of Texas has a perfect voting record on Second Amendment issues. He has sponsored legislation to repeal most gun laws dating back to 1968 — as well as, introduced legislation to get the U.S. out of the anti-gun United Nations. Ron Paul has an A+ rating with Gun Owners of America.” gunowners.org/ronpaul-gunrecord.htm
Yeah. Paul sure is wacko, even though he‘s the only one that agrees with Israel’s officials. That anti-Semite bunch.
“You don’t need to send troops to Israel. We defend ourselves!” – Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu youtube.com/watch?v=4H3Kyt1iGEE#t=2m36s
“Israel never asked the United States to risk the lives of American troops to defend it… We don’t want American troops or any other troops defending Israel. We want to fulfill the doctrine of the founder of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, of self-reliance – that Israel defends itself BY ITSELF. And what we ask for from the United States is diplomatic support so we can maintain that position.” – Former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, Dore Gold youtube.com/w
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:51pm*Former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, Dore Gold youtube.com/watch?v=jxxBuNWKgZQ
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:45pmRon Paul seems to be the EXTREME. I initially liked him, but some things he has said, like alienating us all inside the USA is a bit extreme. Also, the fact that we should HELP NO ONE, like Israel, is absurd. It is very easy to say that if you don’t understand global politics, which means there are deals made here and there (scratch my back, I will scratch yours) to get things for the USA; to impact security and peace throughout the regions, giving us ALLIES to stand beside us on certain issues. I realize that most people think it is wasted money, but if you look at the long-term affects, especially the fact that money is the absolute KING in Europe and Asia, we put our money where our mouth is, so to speak. We can get anything we want, if we pay for it. So, all that is left is to get a Commander-in-Chief who has the balls to say NO, NO, AND NO TO YOU TOO, BUT YES TO THOSE WHO STAND BESIDE US AGAINST THE WAR ON TERROR. The only allie we have left is Israel and you can be sure that Obammy is trying to destroy that, as well.
READ PEOPLE, READ YOUR HISTORY. Otherwise, you will be just reaching for answers without any real knowledge about the issue. The only 2 things I like about Paul is that he wants to get rid of the Federal Tax system and have a flat tax or similar, AND, I like the fact that he just speaks his mind.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:07pm@I support God’s Israel!
How is the US helping Israel right now? All I see is the US telling Israel what they can and can’t do. If you really support Israel then you better get out of their way. There are arguements in Israel in which direction they want to go and the US is trying to force their agenda on the people of Israel. Isreal, Iran, and Syria, etc. are being played by the neocon war mongers to stir up war. And you call Ron Paul extreme.
There are something like 25,000 Jews living safely in Iran right now, but with the intervention from the US and the initiation of war through sanctions and blockaids is going to start making problems for them. Think carefully before you start supporting this war propaganda.
I never knew you could have a “War” on a tactic. “War on Terrorism” . . . those are just words to confuse you of the facts. Now that they have got you to accept that there is a War, they can now get you to accept the NDAA that is about to pass in congress, where US soil can be considered a “battlefield”. Where do you think that is going to lead. Good luck amigo.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:16pm@I support God’s Israel! I agree with what you’re saying. I however, consider approaching these same foreign issues by Constitutional means. Some might call this antiquated, but I call it following the federal Constitution as intended. I see our current foreign policy as one practically shaped, run and influenced by a very liberal Government and progressive Court system, within these past 50 years. I support Israel’s sovereignty and independence, and that no Nation should be telling them what to do. I believe that if Israel is in need of our help, and if Israel asks for our help, that we should pass a constitutional Resolution and give them the best help we have.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:21pm@colt1860 That was an excellent video clip. In addition to what you pointed out, it also showed again that Glenn Beck supports Ron Paul’s foreign policy. So the question is . . . why does he critisize Ron Paul for his foreign policy? Something strange is going on. There must be something else that GB fears that he isn’t willing to admit. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:44pmHerman Cain’s comments are scary. He was a part of the Federal Reserve, the biggest ponzi scheme in America. He even said we don’t need to audit the Fed. This was right before it was exposed there was huge sums of money secretly given to foreign banks. Now I don‘t know about you but I don’t want a president saying we don’t need to audit the Fed and that it is transparent especially after this was revealed. Cain is nice in many ways but anyone that is not willing to deal with the Fed is not willing to deal with the root of all our economic problems.
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Ssenkrad
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:51am@Jeff+Colt+Kick Right on!
Report Post »timola
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:34pmvery well done.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:26pmFor those of you who seem to want someone who knows all the answers for problems both here and abroad, you are asking for GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. Everyone else running for the office of President of the United States of America must rely on advisers~~~NOT czars appointed to do one’s own beck and call.
I believe Mr. Herman Cain is bright enough, experienced enough and humble enough to ask people he respects and trusts to fill in the gaps in his own life’s experiences. Thank GOD Herman Cain is NOT political.
Remember: “GOD does not call the qualified. HE qualifies the called.”
Mr. Cain is without doubt GOD’s chosen man for this time in our history.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:41pmdid you read what you just posted? you are obviously a bit insane. sorry to break it to you.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:57pmbradley- There is nothing wrong with that post or KICKAGRANDMA.
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:01pmMr. Cain could not have achieved the success he has unless he surrounded himself with intelligent people who gave him good advice. I think he would do the same as president. He is smart enough to know that he doesn’t have all the answers, but knows how to get them. Cain has my vote for president.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:23pmGreat post. I agree.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:10pm@KickaGrandma
You do understand that Herman Cain is a former employee of the Federal Reserve, no?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:31pm@kickagrandma You’re right. Cain has no experience in Government, and does not have the qualifications requisite to command such a post in Government. He has a limited knowledge and understanding of foreign affairs, and of our domestic economic problems. I doubt he even understands the international implications of economic turmoil. He must rely on unelected advisers (yet unknown to us). Unless, God himself intervenes on Cain’s part and qualifies him miraculously, Cain is just another businessman running for office (again), with no clue as to how to solve our problems permanently. He does have great temporary solutions though. Unless I see a sign from God himself, Cain is not my chosen candidate in the primaries.
Even Cain admits he needs advisers, as he is usually not adequately informed of certain issues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0T1kMc1d4
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:47pm@kickagrandma
What sort of indication do you have that Cain is “God’s Chosen” one? Has he spoke to you? Has he given you some sort of sign?
It seems to me that you are using God’s name in vain. Be careful how you tell everyone that God is in support of your choices. Not a very wise thing to do.
If it is God’s will, then it will be done. Whether for our good or for our destruction. Pray that he doesn’t give us over to our desires.
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:26pmWhy is the Blaze purposely trying to shove down our throats any and every RINO presidental canidate they can while ignoring or mocking the only constitutionalist candidate of Ron Paul? Kind of makes me think Glenn Beck might have some progressive plants working for him since I do not want to believe Glenn Beck gave orders to his employee‘s to push the weakest RINO’s they can on us.
How many progressives, liberals, socialists, marxists,democrats, RINO’s or their sarogates secretly working for you Mr. Beck?
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:46pmWhat is a “sarogate?”
Report Post »don4logo
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:49pmWhy? Because Ron Paul will get us attacked. Period. He has some good ideas in some areas, but his isolationist, “head-in-the-sand” approach to this global geo-political world just WON’T WORK. PERIOD. And people with good sense KNOW IT.
It’s unfortunate, because those same people with good sense would LOVE to see someone with his approach to monetary policy and spending in the white house. But his flaws are what ensures he will never get there unless he‘s on a visitor’s tour.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:19pmHerman Cain isn’t a RINO.
Ron Paul seems to surround hiimself with anti-Semites, and most of his positions are Leftist. That’s why.
Report Post »Love_John_Galt
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:22pmDon — Why have we been attached in the past? Was it something Ron Paul did?
Jaycen — Even if Cain’s tax plan was an improvement – he admittedly knows very little about our foreign policies (or history). Talk about ‘getting us attached’.. And you are sadly mistaken about ‘most’ of Dr. Paul’s supporters.
Good luck in the race though!! May be best man win (for once!!).
Report Post »Fella
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:47pmNeocon speak for leftist just means you disagree with Rush Limbaugh on one issue. LOL The worms have been dining long and hard on Don and Jaycen.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:21pmI support Herman. I believe he is the right person for the job. I have put my money where my mouth is. How about some of you? If you goof around and let another election go down the drain, you have no one but yourselves to blame. Do you really want to fix this mess? If you do, get on The Cain Train. I’m on it.
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:15pmIf you want to be my president, besides having my political bent, you should have been doing your homework for years, not months. Several candidates do not fit my criteria, Cain being one. I like the man, just not his experience and current knowledge. Plus others are right about the effect of the tax on seniors on fixed incomes.
NoBama 2012
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TeaPartyanimal
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:20pmSeniors have more money than most. Because Seniors come from an era of saving their money and being frugle. They also have SS. Most of us wont from the next generation. I am sick and tired of people who mention fixed incomes, as if you didnt have a pension or a grandfather plan that basically left the rest of us screwed.
My father used to have this attitude. I always told him that my future wont have what he currently enjoyed.
Back to Cain, It is not my understanding that the Corporation would tax the individuals salary but only the profits after expenses.
I think alot of Cain haters just make stuff up. And I dont care about what brilliant economist or armageddon predictor said otherwise. Its pretty straight forward.
What I hear are people bitchin about paying taxes when they prob are not even paying any. Thats the real crime. What gives you the right to pay no taxes while others do?
Report Post »foobear
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:15pmYou guys are like dogs chasing a red light.
Cain is still the best candidate we have, which is why Axelrod probably trumped up those sex allegations against him. The Democrats do NOT want to see a Black Republican candidate challenging the chosen one. They want another Sharon Angle.
Report Post »Love_John_Galt
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:34pmMaybe I’m wrong …but I don’t think the President’s position is suppose to be an ‘on the job training’ program.
Since Herman can’t tell us who he will select to make the tough foreign policy decisions for him – then I can’t vote for him – it’s too big of a gamble.
Now, if the White House was just a pizza joint.. I’d vote for Herman. I think he’s awfully nice, and I don’t even care about those silly allegations.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:10pmYES!
We will finally slay the Tax Monster by now giving the IRS SWAT Teams authority to invade our homes under the pretext of seeking presentment and proof of Sales Tax Receipts of the entire contents of our homes, per enforcment of the Federal Sales Tax.
The Monster will be controlled so easily by their authority to confiscate goods suspected of not being properly taxed and confiscating the remaining contents of the home because of suspicion that all of the receipts presented are fraudulent and may otherwise be taken as summary penalties.
THIS IS THE STAMP ACT all over again! It caused a War you know?
What else can we expect from the Viking/Visigoth/Vandal Cadidate from the Federal Reserve Board?
Report Post »TSG-01
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:29pmThank you for your common sense.
AND, does ANYONE believe that it would stay at 9-9-9. Not a chance!
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:51pmHerman Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan is nothing more than a mere gimmick. This sort of proposal will end up raising taxes on 84% of Americans, despite Herman’s persistant claims of the opposite. When you add a national sales tax on top of a state sales tax and a federal income tax on top of a state income tax, the result is regressive taxes that will hurt the poor financially while it will benefits the super-rich. Case in point: Former Federal Reserve employee Herman Cain.
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/999-plan-herman-cain_n_1018462.html
Oh, in addition to that, here‘s a YouTube video on how Herman’s 9-9-9 Plan will “tax the poor to death:” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k0MwDHNEHU
Report Post »cyclops
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:05pmCain is done for and I think he is just hanging on for the heck of it……
Report Post »libh8er
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:56amDoes his movie show seniors having to dip into their emergency funds to pay a 9% national tax that they have never had to pay before?.. Maybe they can just get 9% less food to eat. Or turn their thermostats down 9% to help pay for this new tax.
Report Post »koibaby
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:09pmThey should have prepared for retirement. Stop the Viagra and scooter hand outs, etc!
Report Post »starchy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:11pmWith all other federal taxes being reduced to nothing, I don’t think a 9% income tax (which again is nothing as most seniors are retired) or a 9% sales tax is going to make them starve or freeze.
Report Post »chaberthy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:13pmI think it’s a great idea for a 9% sales tax, that way the OWS folks all have some skin in the game for a change. Maybe then they will care about where the tax dollars go to instead of all the needless entitlements.
Report Post »k_prig
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:40pmif you watched the “movie” he claims that by eliminating “hidden” taxes, taxes on companies that ultimately get passed down onto the consumer, that sales tax just brings the price back to what we are paying right now for the goods, so assuming his calculations are correct, then I would conclude that for a retired person who would pay the same for products in either system would not feel any damning effects to their livelihood.
Report Post »CMDR6
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:19pmSorry, but the current retirees are one of the generations that got us into this mess! They are going to have to help us get out of it. All of the gutless wonders that pander to “the poor and old” and not asking them to do their part need to be voted out! The majority of the “poor” in our society have it so freaking good that they should thank God everyday that their main concern is free healthcare and “internet rights”, not survival!
Report Post »Everyone is going to feel the pain of trying to regain our country. Better paying a little bit of money than living in a socialistic system with the likes of Pres. Obama telling us what we can and cannot do.
Reboot the USA!!!!
dnewton
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:56pmThe other taxes are eliminated, like the 35% corporate tax. I think that the biggest problem is that the state and local sales taxes would go down if prices actually fell. The problem won’t be that granny cant afford bread. It will be granny can’t afford the property and or sales tax hike that the state and local government needs “for the children.” The elimination of the 35% corporate tax will act as an incentive to build more stuff here rather than Mexico and China. It pretty much boils down to the Devil you know vs the Devil you don’t know. Most of the loopholes that we will get rid of were sold to us as ways to revive the economy or optimize growth. An economy that constantly needs a stimulus is not worth a whole lot, and mostly is a burden. We have already come to the point that we are trying to make sure some one else is going to get the burden. We are evolving into a country that needs rich people so we can take their wealth, somewhat like a Romanian Kleptocracy, only the elites are rarely the ones that are getting shook down. I don’t like the 66% majority to pass a tax bill. It should be 75%. At the higher level there is more likely a voting roster for the bill that looks more bipartisan.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:55amHey look just look. It’s a good thing American soldiers saved Kuwait from Saddam Hussein, because the Kuwait’ government just collapsed. Doesn’t that make you veterans feel content about Desert Storm Illness?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:57amYou got it for a good cause didn’t you? Well at least the insider trading Congress appreciates your service.
Report Post »Logic77
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:51amWe do need a flat tax, not a national sales tax tho.
Report Post »The Backwoods Engineer
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:50amWhat does it matter?
1) Cain won’t win the primary; the GOP Establishment has determined that it will be Romney, even if they have to have a brokered convention;
2) Due to the Impoundment Act of 1974 and other legislation, the Executive Branch is inferior to the Congress now; do you actually think the Congress will pass ANY tax increase on their voters (the Free Stuff Army, 47% of Americans)? And, finally:
3) The Congress wants to punish business; why would they reduce business taxes?
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:57pmYou hit the nail on the head. It is CONGRESS, not Cain who will have to pass any tax plan. Cain can say 9-9-9 all he wants, but it is Congress who will have to pass it. I believe Cain is a well-spoken, Godly, and intelligent man who towers over the usurper in power now. I think he can find advisors and steer this country back onto the road of prosperity. Let’s hope Romney is not a foregone conclusion.
Report Post »I, too, put my money where my mouth is and am on the Cain train.
AuntJane
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:10pmI fear you are right. I think the big shots have already decided and will go to any lengths including fraud to stay in power.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:48amWOOHOO!!! I had a $20 bet that one of the first three posts on this thread would be a Paulie attacking Herman Cain. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »ThankBabyJesus
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:47amIt’s Time for Cain!
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:44amI like it.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:16pmeverybody will have a horse in the race with this plan……………
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:43amIn America they won’t stop spending because they are taking advantage of the tolerance, Wholesomeness and godliness of Americans while they also run us into the ground to support the failing Socialisms of the world.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:45amAll the while, they are building the tools to control American, because they also know that once American wake-up that God will reach out and smack the controllers through the hands of the American people. Don’t let them bind your minds and hands!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:48amAnd if you let them bind your minds and hands, then the Lord himself will reach-out to smack everyone indiscriminately.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:42amI wish he would ust call it a day, as well as huntsman, bachman and santorum. thin the herd please your done quit giving the dems more for their political ads by tearing eachother apart. you need a united front not the selfish ripping eachother apart garbage during the vetting season. greater good common goal.
Report Post »cliffattheblaze
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:22pmMaybe Romney should call it a day.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:25amI want to know who is going to seal the sothern border, rid us of obamacare, and cut the size of government by 40%.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:39amComforting to know that regardless who makes the GOP primary, its anybody but Obimbo. To think I have lived through two of the worst presidents in my life time, it makes you wonder….what the H… were people thinking?
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:24amHerman Cain’T even win the GOP ticket
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:56amyou have no idea who will win the ticket ……………………but we all know odumbo is out
now get thee back under your bridge
Report Post »cliffattheblaze
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:26pmYou say he can’t win but you give no reasons. I say he can for the following reasons. He’s unconventional during an unconventional race. He’s very, very smart. He’s incredible on the stump. His plan is the boldest when boldness is what’s required to save the country. I could go on. I believe Cain can win.
Report Post »Ssenkrad
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:05amCain’s plan is the boldest? Please, it’s terrible. Have you been reading the posts? Everyone has already outlined what’s wrong with this plan. All it is is new taxes that only will be increased in the future by our money-grubbing government. I don’t even think that Cain will get a chance to implement it considering that it has to go through Congress, and they’ll be less than cooperative with him.
What Cain should be doing is working to get rid of the unconstitutional income tax and slashing our spending if he really wants to help. And don’t even get me started on the Fed. Of course, Cain doesn’t believe the Fed is a problem, so, in my book, that automatically makes him “unelectable”, as a lot of people on here say about the best candidate for the job. I know that I brought up Congress before as a roadblock, and it still would be even if Cain wanted to get rid of the income tax, spending, and the fed. But we need a leader who will bring these issues to the forefront and push for them to be eliminated instead of a man who looks at the problem and screams “9-9-9!”
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