‘Smashing His Face to Hell’: Horrific New Video Emerges of the Police Beating That Led to a Homeless Man’s Death
- Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:19am by
Billy Hallowell
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Kelly Thomas, the CA homeless man who died after a police beating last year
Kelly Thomas, a 37-year-old homeless man who suffered from schizophrenia, is at the center of intense debate in Fullerton, California. It was last summer that The Blaze first reported about Thomas’ death, following an intense beating from local police officers. He was subsequently placed on life support following the incident and later passed away. Now, his family — and many in the community — are seeking justice.
The authorities responsible for Thomas’ harsh treatment are facing trial (for murder and manslaughter), as they continue to defend the actions they took. However, shocking new video evidence that showcases the horrific details of the encounter, frame-by-frame, could hamper their defense.
A before and after shot of the Kelly Thomas beating
The officers purportedly first approached Thomas in the evening of July 5, 2011, after someone reported that a burglar was breaking into cars that were parked at the local bus station.
When cops approached Thomas and attempted to arrest him, they said he resisted. But as Gawker reported when the incident first occurred, Mark Turgeon, a witness to the police beating, claimed that Thomas wasn’t resisting.
“They kept beating him and Tasering him. I could hear zapping, and he wasn’t even moving,” Turgeon said. “He had one arm in front of him like this, he wasn’t resisting. And they kept telling him, ‘He’s resisting, quit resisting,’ and he wasn’t resisting.”
While initial clips of the incident only captured Kelly’s horrified screams, a newly-released video showcases the entire incident from start to finish. And it seems, at least according to what can be viewed, that Turgeon’s recap of the events is rooted in accuracy.
A startling, 33-minute video shows the officers approaching Kelly, beating him and then seemingly laying on top of him. Throughout the ordeal, he can be heard screaming “help me,” among other pleas. Additionally, more than once, he tells the officers that he cannot breathe (his death certificate rules his death a homicide and proclaims that he died from ”mechanical chest compression with blunt cranial-facial injuries sustained during physical altercation with law enforcement”).
Following the initial incident, the Fullerton Police Department claimed that two officers involved in the encounter had suffered broken noses — a statement that was later retracted. While the video does appear to show excessive force, it is somewhat grainy and Thomas’ actions — or inactions, for that matter — are not fully viewable. Still, the audio is just as horrendous — if not more so — than the video: you hear a man pleading for his life, the thumps of the police batons, and that zapping of the taser.
Watch the video in its entirety, below. The beating starts around 15:20 (caution: extremely graphic and disturbing):
Here’s the original clip that was captured on a cellular phone that The Blaze shared last year. Kelly can be heard screaming and pleading for help. Witnesses can be overheard discussing their perspective on the police officers’ actions:
Out of the six officers who responded to and were involved in handling Kelly, only two have been charged. Officer Manuel Ramos has been slapped with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges and Corporal Jay Cicinelli has been given involuntary manslaughter and excessive force charges.
“We ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably … I just start smashing his face to hell,” Cicinelli is quoted as saying in a courtroom testimony provided by prosecutors. “He was on something. Cause the three of us couldn’t even control him.”
The officers are currently in pre-trial hearings, as the court attempts to determine if there is enough evidence to move forward with a trial.
(H/T: Gawker)
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Comments (443)
mobynowak
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:35amMurder? I don’t think so. Looks like a very clear case of resisting arrest and a failure of following simple orders. With a little bit of attitude thrown in for good measure. It’s sad he died but it was a direct result of his actions.
awrocksu
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:58amno, these cops are thugs and murderers. those 2 big cops needed to bash this guys head in, and you think thats ok? there is something wrong with you, you a blood thirst killer yourself, you must be.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:00amWhere in the escalation of force guidelines does it say “when you run out of taser, use the handle to crush the guy’s face”?
Report Post »Is the death penalty now to be applied to people who resist convoluted orders? The man had mental illness, the cops were aware of his condition as they knew him. No jury is going to let these guys off the hook.
Nepenthe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:01amThis is sarcastic, right?
Report Post »Stryker
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:03amWell put, had he got on the ground, put his hand behind his back, relaxed (as he was told to do repeatedly when there were only 3 officers) he would be in cuffs and in the back of a police car unharmed. You are required to obey law enforcement regardless of your guilt or innocence. If you resist they have no recourse but to continue to FORCE your compliance. What else are the LEOs to do? Say sorry and let him up? Simply put, do not resist and you will not get beaten.
iampraying4u
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:07amGood thing he wasnt black
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:31am“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”, or, “Yes Sir, and a Paycheck”? The men in blue, and members of the military are going to have to choose sides here pretty soon.
Report Post »yubba
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:38amPublic servants at their best, these guys are pea ons, wait till the eliteius thugs start abusing you, you‘ll wish they’ll end you quickly.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:46amWe have all experienced situations where the police have been a little too into their authority and perceived power. They are servants of the people and are supposed to Protect and Serve. If they wanted to arrest the guy they should have done that. The escalation was caused by the heavy set officer and the without a clear communication that they were going to arrest the homeless man, he had ever right to walk away. The police need probably cause and a clear and state reason to stop you, hold you and certainly to inflict any kind of force. In most instances I have found individuals who joined the police were not the best and brightest and many are not motivated by Protect & Serve.
Report Post »darkknight91
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:46amMacpappy, you’re exactly right. Never forget who the men in blue really are. They are unionized government employees. They have the same attitude as any other bureaucrat has. “We are above the law and the common man”. I’m so sick of all this hero worship in this country of anyone in uniform. That goes for police, firemen, military, etc. Liberals are liberal first. Liberalism is their god and religion. It trumps all.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:47amThe protocol is god?
Report Post »SquareHead
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:01pm@MOBYNOWAK
This was murder. suppose you father was an East German Stasi, and you must be one of these frustrated cops, with no self control looking for a reason to beat someone. The cop was clearly antagonizing the guy, who was of limited mental faculties. Besides each of the cops where twice this mans size, they could have waited for back up and put him in hand cuffs and taken him in.
WE ARE ENTERING A POLICE STATE.
The population used to look at police as someone that would protect them, but now the population look at the police more and more as the Stasi, someone that will harass them, and now they want to confiscate our guns and leave it up to these brutes? Off course this is not all, so spare me the comments.
The fact is that These guys should have been punished allot harder for a case like this, and reading @MOBYNOWAK comment is amazing. Perhaps he is looking forward to a complete police state with concentration camps where he could be a guard…
America better wake up or MR. @MOBYNOWAK and the Jay Cicinelli will be your master. You will be OK as long as you abide I guess…
Help me Ron Paul!
Report Post »g.prunty
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:03pmu r a nut they dont have to pull him uo in the first place .said to figure out who he is what about all the illegals in ca. figure out who they r
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:04pmOne tensing up with each blow and in extreme pain will react. Thats not resistence, thats bio reactions one cannot control. Refusing to put your hands behind your back or lying prone and still would be resisting, but if your down and their beating you of course your going to flail about in defensive movements to cover your face and head. These cops should be charged with a hate crime because the victim is White and they are now the Hispanic majority now in the police force. But not one mention of such a thing because there is no White justice watch group to bring these matters to the forefront of our society. Roles are entirely reversed these days and people of color have now been given control over us even though they are still in the minority. This was done out of White guilt and appeasment….is it working? I don’t think so. Race based politics never does.
Report Post »ctim
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:19pmResisting arrest? Listen to what the officer says to him at 15:25. “See my fist, it’s getting ready to f you up”. The subject then says, “Start punching dude”. Then the beating starts.
How sad, one man is dead, careers are ended, families are ruined. Take a plea deal and hope you can see your kids grow up.
Report Post »SquareHead
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:20pmCheck out this video:
Police Brutality Epedemic:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNbsEAJy1ok&feature=player_embedded
Baddoggy
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:33pmYes MURDER…Plain and simple. Coming to you by an overbloated Police State. When these goons show up at your door to arrest you for some simple rule you broke, dont come crying to me. I warned you…
They need prison…for life.
Report Post »rox
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:34pmI hope all those involved fry.
Report Post »Trenaway
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:37pmI was a police officer for years and this was total murder!!!!!!!!!!!! These cops were looking to beat him. They escalated the situation! As a police officer you never escalate things, unless you want to kill somebody. May these two cops fry and burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:40pmThe Attorney General disagrees with you. He has charged the firs officer with 2nd murder and the 2nd officer with manslaughter. The first cop knew the man and understood he had mental problems. He had problems understanding what he was saying. The victim was threaten by the first cop and the other cops did not know officer Ramos illegally threaten the man. Officer Ramos will be going to prison.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:20pmI don’t give a s**t what all you beck and pig sycophants will say. ALL pigs are unconstitutional. If these were deputies appointed by ELECTED sheriffs, THE PEOPLE would clear them all out. No “internal affairs”, no union lawyers, etc.
ALL pigs are part of an unconstitutional standing army. Before you pig sycophants chime in, you better start with how they are not a permanent standing army or everything you say is subverting the constitution. Thus, YOU are the leftist pigs. It is not a state issue as the states cannot override the constitution. There is no such thing as a good pig. I don’t care if he is your dad, son or husband. A good pig would uphold his oath and quit the force to go work for an ELECTED sheriff.
I support real law enforcement officers. The elected sheriffs and their deputies. I will never, ever support a union-thug, jack-booted, pig.
I know it’s hard for you Beckerheads understand but it is not a leftist position to oppose pigs. It is a constitutional position. Wake the **** up you goose-stepping lemmings.
Why don’t you go do what Beck always recommends and read on the Wiemar Republic. Then tell us all how you love the brown shirt pigs.
Report Post »mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:26pmOf course it isnt Murder to a effin NAZI… To everyone else, yes, murder.
Report Post »mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:32pmI look forward to the day you have a confrontation with the LEO (Terrorists)…
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:33pmLol you’re an idiot. This was murder plain and simple. There was no cause for arrest and no communication that he was being arrested prior to the point where he’s already on the ground being tazered and pummeled in the face. There isn’t a person alive that is going to put their hands behind their back when they are in the process of being electrocuted, beaten to a bloody pulp and suffocated.
Report Post »desertspeaks
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:36pm@ MOBYNOWAK & STRYKER when or if the cops beat you to death, “and with the way the future is looking with dhs buying 400 mil rounds of ammo, it looks as though it could happen sooner rather than later” remember the idiocy you typed here.
Report Post »All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing!
ghostsouls
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:43pmGive me a break, put you hands on your legs, sit back and put you legs out, no put your hands on your legs, no sit back and stretch your legs, out…finally he asked, which one is it? The cop kept giving conflicting orders. He was looking for a fight from the beginning. He told him previous he was gonna kick his ass, and the guy said, go ahead and do it. In the beginning he kept twirling his baton, and the guy was just complacent, doing nothing. The police provoked this guy, looking for some excitement. Had this been a poor black kid going for some skittles……
Report Post »Maji
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:50pmTry some perspective….the man was beat to death over some“ letters”.
They would have been better off shooting the guy!
They were not taking out a violent offender.
He did not threaten them…made no threatening statements or moves( he ran).
Don’t think he was fighting back with his “Face”!!!!
At a certain point he was fighting for his life!!
I think the fat one needs to be thrown in general population when he gets to prision!
Hope the lawyer got his mail!
Report Post »defendingfaith
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:56pmSo you looked at the before and after pictures and saw Kelly’s face right? You call this a direct response to resisting arrest? You are a sick, sick individual. There is absolutely no reason in this God‘s creation to beat a person’s face into hamburger.
Report Post »jfc1068
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:58pmNo, it was a direct result of the actions of police officers who believe they are above the law. It is a fatal flaw in the thinking of EVERY police officer I have ever met. And yes, I have know quite a few.
They believe they have the right to do what ever they want because they hold the power of the badge.
Report Post »ICEDRAGONNITE
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:03pmWhat hand cuffs don’t work anymore? Simple restraint and these bull cops are huge how big was the victim?
Report Post »How many grow men does it take to subdue a small man? And when does the force needed exceed what is reasonable?
I seen the police use sadistic tactics on drunks before and have also had my daughter put in harms way with a drunk state cop and then a full blown cover up.
So with what I see it was homicide. these men should no longer be cops, at the least.
Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:07pm“Out of the six officers who responded to and were involved in handling Kelly, only two have been charged.”
Why not ALL SIX?! The security video, although the quality of it isn’t that great, WITHOUT A DOUBT, showed that ALL SIX officers took part in mercilessly beating Kelly to a pulp!
Report Post »That said, I’m satisfied that Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli, those two officers that ultimately caused Kelly’s death through the use of their subsequent assaults and severely excessive use of the Taser, are being charged with manslaughter and use of excessive force. I’m having a feeling that even the highest-skilled defense lawyer will find it almost impossible trying to justify their use of police brutality, as the police officer that was with him before reinforcements appeared was the one that initiated the scuffle. If the security video isn’t enough to put Manuel and Jay on trial, I don’t know what it will take to hold these two officers accountable for their bestial actions.
nmgene
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:51pmThe man was mentally ill Schitzophrenic. There is no excuse for repeatedly hitting a man in the face with a billy club when he is on the ground and you are on top of him. These police need to go to prison with out any protection from the rest of the inmates. I am sure there record will show extensive over use of force in previous arrests!!!!!!!
Report Post »thisisblazennn
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:59pmThese cops are criminals and belong behind bars.. There were many cops there, no need to beat him at all. Proper procedure is to subdue him. If you can not do that safely then you taze him once. They simply wanted to beat him up and they should go to jail for a long long time.
Report Post »charleyrocks
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:07pmThere was no reason for this arrest. The man was calm and talking to the police when they decided to search him, for no reason. He was calm they had no business hitting him and tasering him. Never mind beating him up. They were wrong.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:13pmAt 27:44 one cop says, “Make sure you check all your equiptment before you go…… and sterilize it”. Isn’t that tampering with evidence?
Man, that was hard to watch.
Report Post »CJohnsonMarine
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:16pmIt amazes me reading the posts here that LEO has the right to do whatever it takes, from the language used by this cop, threatening someone that is only being investigated, that cop has no right to talk to anyone like that, he was so unprofessional, I could even believe I was listening to a cop.
Report Post »He is a piece of **** that makes all other cops look bad.
He should be tried convicted and put away for a very long time, we need no one like him with a badge.
hi-polymer
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:19pmOh, I agree, everyone who cries words like, “I’m sorry”, repeatedly, and “please, I can’t breath!” Deserves to be beaten shocked, and pepper sprayed to death. ( Yes, that was Sarcasm.) You must be a cop.
Report Post »raff73
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:19pmMobynowak, You are sooooooo wrong. Check out the videos, and also the Defense Attorney is NO Doctor in trying to explain his death.
Report Post »evaluator
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:20pmYou must be a cop or a wannabe, just like many of the insecure POS that supposedly “Protect and Serve” The only thing that, for many, “Serve”, the them, is related to their inferiority complex and the power they are able to hold over others.
Report Post »raff73
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:24pmYou are WRONG. Check out the videos.
Report Post »lover of liberty
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:25pmMy family owns and operates a cattle ranch. If I can flank a 300+ lbs bull calf with nothing more then one leg lassoed I think 2-3 police officers with tazers can cuff a man. The only thing I could think of while I watched this video was how if a bystander tried to step in and even just ask “WHAT ARE YOU DOING” or “STOP!” that bystander would have gotten more of the same. It‘s said to think I spent 6years in the Marines thinking I was defending American’s freedoms only to witness something like this happen on our own soil.
As for this entire encounter, why did the police stop him? Why was the fat officer (only way I can really distinguish him) threatening to beat him with his fists? At no time did this homeless man act out in agression. He stood up after being struck by the fat officer. He then tried to walk away. Walking away does not constitute being hit with ASP battons.
As for all of you claiming non compliance, I take it you’ve never been tazed before. When you are being shocked you can not move. All your muscles contract. Saying a man is resisting while being tazed is like saying someone having a seizure is resisting and being non compliant.
Report Post »irishwoman61
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:26pmHe was fighting for his life. Those cops should be tried for murder! Its is a clear case of unnessary force! He was unable to breath, and with 4 huge/fat cops on his chest, its no wonder! Then for one of the cops to continually beat in Kelly’s face with his flash light was beyond rediculous! MURDER!!! Plain and simple! I come from a family of law enforcement, and I‘m sure that they wouldn’t condone this either! Shame on them!
Report Post »d35player
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:26pmThis man was obviously fighting for his life… a battle he would lose. And you call that resisting!!??
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:28pmOne more thing; the cops found mail in his bag belonging to an Attorney. If it was stolen mail that would make this a Federal case.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:44pmI remember this story. This is horrific. Look at the guys face! That was prolonged and continued beating with no regard for this persons life. Yes they should be charged.
Report Post »dagwood
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:53pmyou can’t be serious?
Report Post »Milton Friedman
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:03pmReally? At 15:20 he follows the officers command to put his hands on his knees. At 15:22 the officer says, “now, see my fist? It’s getting ready to **** you up.” That cop is a punk and coward for saying something like that. He has a gun, night stick, taser, pepper spray and training in hand-to-hand fighting. Of course, Thomas should bear some responsibility, but that cop was looking for a fight it seems.
Report Post »texchris
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:30pmWtf? Are you a nazi!!!!
Report Post »jsmpsn10
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:35pmIt’s murder plain and simple. They might as well just pulled out a gun and shot him in the head and it would have been less horrific. If officers can’t control one guy then they have no right to be a police officer.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:38pm@DTOM Jericho (Creator Vindicator)
I’m assuming you and MacPappy are referring to the Constitutional powers of Congress in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution?
“…To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years…”
If that’s the case, then you’re absolutely right. The police officers are so severely blinded by their lust for luxurious pensions and authoritative power that even the “good” police officers don’t understand that are literally violating the Constitution by simply being in the local police force. I think once people start to understand that the Constitution forbids the establishing of local police forces, we might be able to finally address the problems of the ever-expanding police state.
Report Post »SK-1
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:08pmWell OFFICER mobynowak… you are wrong as the day is long. Now….go beat another mentally disabled person to DEATH.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:17pm@MR.~
No. Article 1 section 8 is the enumeration of the “Powers of Congress”. It limits congress from appropriating money for armies for longer than two years. That is being violated, but it’s being violated by the federal government as we are not constitutionally allowed to maintain a permanent military force. They get around it by appropriating funds for the military every two years, which is an obvious end run around the constitution.
Local police forces however are not created by congress they are created by the states and local governments. The purpose of the congressional limitation in the constitution was to prevent the federal government from using a military to create an authoritarian regime. There is no constitutional limitation on states or local governments from creating enforcement agencies to enforce their laws.
There are a lot of reasonable arguments to be made about the validity and extent to which police forces are used, but that simply isn’t one of them.
Report Post »WRXXXGeof
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:29pmYou’re a ******* fool if you believe that. A fool or a police officer.
Report Post »mompatriot
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:48pmYou must be a cop, and not a good one (like my husband used to be). This skinny, scrawny dude “on something”…screaming dad! daddy!…GIVE ME A BREAK!!! This was blatant murder…this video is PLENTY OF EVIDENCE. Please no crooked judge, etc. either…..this is horrific. Can u imagine if he had been black???
Report Post »positive1
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:50pmJust look at all the cops standing around after this guy is cuffed, there’s no real leadership in this country, and no one thinking about this guy’s suffering and urgent medical needs, he was still innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. Police have become more inhuman then human in the world, because of lack of accountability and our justice system being run for profit, and employment of 1 million+ attorneys and 3-4 million para-legals. Their future children will reap what they sew, what comes around goes around. I hope that cop gets what he deserves in prison.
Report Post »Gates
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:00pmSuffocation is a very common risk of forced restraint. These cops have been trained to know that but did everything they could to NOT avoid what happened.
Report Post »darrelljr
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:12pmlooks like a few off duty guys needs a good ass whooping- id gladly help out.
Report Post »Twisted Mind
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:25pmMoby, You are a STUPID IDIOT
Report Post »mva1957
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:26pmThey are out of control. Rednecks in action.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:40pmWelcome to your Brave New World, run by Gestapo thugs and communist leaders.
Report Post »jharper
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 6:42pmMoby, you are an idiot!
Report Post »yathink
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:41pmWow, Gangs like all the rest. Put them on the court house steps on there Knees and one to the back of the head. This behaviour will not be toalorated by any public servent. Better pick a side.
Report Post »CommonSenseTalk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:42pmreally, just wait until they come after you….. I’ve seen angry cops. 99% are good cops but the 1% they protect take the rest of them down with them. If this guy was black “only with the video” the cops would be in jail.
Report Post »db321
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:45pmI have no symphony for any man or men that beats another man to death – The victim did not get one blow in – he said he was sorry 100 times – he asked his own father to help him. Didn’t look to me that he could even move his one arm back. Throw the book at these two idiot cops.
Then the Chief should march straight over to the these two cops homes and interview everyone in their family – I willing to bet there is major abuse at home!
Report Post »Decker13
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 7:48pmThis was murder, those punk ass pigs should be turned into bacon. There are too many cops out there that were punk ass kids and now have the “power” to do what ever they want.
Report Post »BelieveMe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:10pmBelieve Me, if I am ever nearby when the police do this to ANYONE without a WEAPON in their hands, I will try to protect the innocent man who remains innocent until proven guilty. FYI: As a matter of law, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY POLICE COMMANDS. They are just citizens who most likely you have never met before. Treat them like you would a stray dog. Never trust the badge is real. They are counting on you to make the first move. So, if you haven’t done anything wrong, just walk away. You do not have to engage them in a conversation. If there is probable cause for them to arrest you, they will. Otherwise, you are a FREE AMERICAN until killed by a gang of overpaid, chaos-creators who normally only show up after a crime. Our nation needs our GOVERNMENT TO FEAR THE POLICE NOT OUR CITIZENS.
Report Post »StevenNarbonne
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:32pmMoby, are you vision/reason impaired or something? These “officers” were clearly looking to provoke this sad nut-case into a situation that would allow them to legally beat him to their hearts content. His pitiful attempt to flee was all they needed to assault him so brutally that he later died. His screams were heart-rending to most of us and the scene was one of pure horror.
Report Post »If that baton twirling thug wasn’t enough to register on your radar, I guess this reply won’t either but most of us knew exactly what the killer was planning. Just for giggles though, can you provide us with any departments guidance that instructs its officers to beat someone in the face hard and often enough to induce a coma as a matter of police policy? I’ll wait for you to look that one up.
Bluefish49
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:44pmLook people…just because a person is a cop doesn’t mean that they are a desent human being or even cabable to do the job. As with any form of employement Sycopaths can find their way in. I believe this the case here. If this was an 80 year old woman or man resisting arrest because of dimentia would the police officers kept on beating until the person was near death? I hate to say it but just like any other place in society some people need killing and I believe these thug cops are candidates.
Report Post »mccoy912r
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:51pm@mobynowak
Report Post »You are desperately wrong. Ramos and Cicinelli had every right for necessary use of force to get Thomas to comply. Meaning when he failed to roll to his stomach and place his hands behind his back, they would have been justified in forcibly doing just that…rolling him over and bringing his hands behind his back to cuff him. Instead they chose to beat him into submission, resulting in his death. Now the Defense Attorney is attempting to make a case that it was the paramedics who cause the actual death of Thomas.
TheCoffinMaker
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:55pmIt won‘t be long before the government and their union thugs kill what’s left of the weary taxpayer.
Report Post »zigatolis
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:57pmI am a huge cop supporter but there is no way to condone this. You cannot ask a person to rollover or give me your hands at the same time you are tazing them because you lose TOTAL CONTROL of your muscles. If three highy trained law professionals cannot take a man like this down with bashing his face in like that then obviously their training SUCKS. Being ex-military, there are a hell of a lot better ways to get the job done! These guys will do a great job for Oama when martial law is declared!!
Report Post »whiteshirt
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:15pmresisting ? resisting you say ? you must be one of the sadistic cops like them then, the poor man was fighting for his life, he was being beaten to death, I know I would be fighting back too. he was pleading for them to stop because he couldnt breathe, give me a break. it is so apparent that these thugs were out for nothing more than to cause as much harm to this man as they could. this didnt have to happen, they had pleanty of time to cuff him while he was sitting on the curb, or to cuff him when he still had his back pack on. this was nothing more than harrassment and deliberate mayham, you could see that comming when the other officer brought the gloves for the first officer to put on, “ just in case ” what exactally does that mean, this guy was totally harmless. so what if he wasnt all together in the head , he wasnt threatining anyone. Oh how easy it is to lie when the man cannot defend himself.. those offending officers should all do some jail time of their own and never be allowed to walk with honor again. shame on the Fulerton police dept for not fireing these men immediately after seeing the video..
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:22pm@Rowgue
All right, it seems that I’ve made an error featuring Article I, Section 8 within my earlier statement, thanks for pointing that out.
However, with all due respect, you’re sadly mistaken within your argument in which you mentioned that “there’s no Constitutional limitation on states or local governments from creating enforcement agencies,” as Article I, Section 10 forbids states from establishing standing armies (in which the Police fits this description):
“No State shall, without the consent of Congress…keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace…”
Hence, aside from the Article I, Section 8 error, this IS a resonable argument.
Source: http://stason.org/TULARC/society/lawful-arrest/1-3-What-is-a-Standing-Army.html
Report Post »SaintzOfAk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:45pmYour a piece of Human Trash buddy. I know not of one person who has seen this that would agree with your UTTERLY !!!!!!!!!! sick, twisted, perverse interpretation of what C L E A R L Y! took place. I cannot wait until Vermin like you cease to exist.
Report Post »jjrglobal
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:30amAre you kidding me? The cops killed this man for no reason whatsoever, he didn’t resist anything. I HOPE this happens to you or someone you love, you ignorant piece of ****.
Report Post »Christianmyson
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:28amMob you are fuc%ed up dude, you are a peace of $hit, makes me want to beat your as$ and call it teaching you a lesson, if that were my brother there would be no need for a trial, becouse I would kill everyone of thoes fuc%ing pigs get ready folks this country has gone to Hell and they will do the same to YOU, Time to rise up people and save America.
Report Post »v15
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:49amI’m stoked to read that the first cop was put away for 2nd degree murder and the other cop for manslaughter!! Most of the cops running around these days are criminals with a badge. They harass, bully, and, in this case, kill citizens. They run around helping the local and state government tax its citizens by writing tickets for laws they don’t understand themselves. These are the people that couldn’t hack it in the private sector, couldn’t hack it in college or high school, and remain driven to force their inferiority complex on the local populace!!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:16amone less Obama Voter out there
Report Post »bradb
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:42amAre you some kind of a nut? did you really watch the video? or are you just another police officer trying to cover up what really happened? The truth is they beat him for NO reason. They deserve what I hope is coming for them through the courts, if justice is not served in this case, then we are all guilty of murder.
Report Post »sidewinder-x
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:14amI agree, it looks like he is resisting arrest from about 15:20 through at least 19:00. (I didn’t watch the whole thing).
Report Post »FlamingFartSyndrome
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:18am“Put your hands be your back”
Ya… while all your weight is on his back so his face smashes into the ground. These cops deserve the death penalty.
Report Post »FlamingFartSyndrome
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:22amDid you not hear the cop tell him to do 2 different things before other cops arrived, and did you not see the cop tell the guy that he was gonna punch him before he did anything wrong?
I support police and give them the benefit of the doubt almost all the time. But dont be a fool there are cops who are criminals.
Report Post »VigilantOne
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:12pmI see two cops who obviously believe that they have the right to assault and batter citizens for such slight infractions as not keeping their hands on their knees. What was so important about keeping his hands on his knees? So the fat cop could feed his pathetically voracious ego at the expense of the mentally ill? If found guilty, they should be tasered and beaten to death. Two cop friends of mine watched this and were abhorred by the whole thing, one of whom stopped the video because he couldn’t watch anymore.
Report Post »BD Maghead
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:17pmWhere does it say I have to obey the misguided commands of some law enforcement officer if I’m not guilty of anything??? Please! By doing so, it makes me guilty before I’m convicted. That is just wrong. LE has way to much power, and we the people need to take it back. What they did to this guy was just wrong, and all of them need to be punished for both their actions and inaction. Looking at the video, it seems he got a bit out of hand after they tried to confine him. What if they simply escorted him to the squad car? Did they even try that option? I know if there were several guys on me, I would try to push them off me just so I could breathe, and would try to keep my hands in front of my face to keep it from becoming part of the concrete. I think LEO’s need to go back to the old way of arresting suspects, and only put someone on the ground who needs it, and try to just ask someone to turn around and cuff ‘em first. Use as I was taught in the military about escalation of force, and only using that force which is necessary. These guys went right to one of the higher steps in the escalation ladder instead of giving this guy the option. Cowards the lot of ‘em. I hope their consciences are pricked and they repent of their horrific actions.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:37pmThere is no duty/obligation to protect anyone according to the U.S. Supreme Court Bower v. Devito. I guess beatings like these are done out of moral obligation.
Report Post »HUSSAR
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:14pmWHAT R U TALKING ABOUT !!!! Those cops went way over board…THEY BEAT MAN UNARMED MAN TO DEATH !!!! I HATE criminals, scream for severe punishments, I support the military and police for doing and dealing with things most of us will never have to. But I also HATE when someone in the position of authority takes it too far. Cops have the responsibility to uphold the law NOT BREAK IT !!!
Report Post »Tell me the same thing when it’s your son.
The man was down and subdued…hold him if you can’t handle him, wait for more back up…DON’T BEAT THE MAN TO DEATH. Sickening !!
YOU’RE nothing but a blood bag to some cops, this is a clear example of such cops…no restraint, no control, zero common sense…just rage and thirst for blood.
Hope they’ll enjoy prison and the rapes.
ROT IN HELL PIGS !!
Nord84
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:40pmEither you’re a cop, or you are being completely unreasonable in your assessment of what happened here. Resisting arrest does not license unbridled brutality, you ignorant ****.
Report Post »bradb
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:40pmHey Glen, why was my last post removed? as far as I am concerned this was a clear case of cold blooded murder, the fat cop escalated this for no reason, he needs to be prosecuted for murder. This dumb ass has no Idea what he is talking about, or maybe he is a cop trying to make it look like they did nothing wrong. I wish that it was me that they were doing this to, I would not have been so nice. The end result would also have been different.
Report Post »with boldness
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:52pmOkay,we know your just trying to get a response from someone.Your just another anti-Beck blogger poser trying to legitimize your argument against conservatives.go to talk to Keith Olbermann,I Think you can find him sleeping on a bark bench in Central Park w/a brown paper bag in his hands.
Report Post »Bruce1369
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:57pmYou, sir, belong in a mental institution.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:40pmThe guy wasn’t doing anything wrong, just minding his own business, the police started harassing him for NO reason, they were looking for an excuse to hurt him. The guy was only trying to defend himself from there assault. These officers should be beaten like he was and left to die as an example of what evil is, they are POS!!!
Report Post »U.S. Navy Veteran
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:28pmI’m with you, MOBYNOWAK. I still can’t believe these anti-cop comments! That Thomas Kelly should have been locked up in a state hospital to begin with. And Thomas Kelly was NOT simply minding his own business. He was under suspicion of having committed burglary. For those of you who may not know, burglary is a felony! And what about that stolen mail in his back pack? And then that rotten attitude! Officer Ramos wasn’t not looking for a fight when he said: “You see these fists? Well they’re getting ready to **** you up.” Officer Ramos was at his wit’s end with the punk. Night after night of dealing with that dirt bag. I cannot even begin to imagine Officer Ramos’ frustration. And when that punk got to his feet, and then when the punk took off running, intent on escape…that must have been the breaking point in Ramos’ mind. But frustration does not excuse the use of excessive force and gross negligence or involuntary manslaughter. If Officer Ramos is found guilty of 2nd degree murder, then that will send a very clear message to all the thugs, punks, transients, vagrants, and violent, disturbed mental patients that the streets of America belong to them…
Report Post »Ishmot2
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:16pmThese cops should be beaten just as they beat this guy, MURDERING
Report Post »F-ing Cops!
sonnetswan
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 1:38am@MOBYNOWAK
You’ve got to be kidding me. You deserve the police state. You are as sick as these cops to justify this horrendous behavior. I got physically sick and cried watching this video. Oh, and for your information the toxicology report said he NOTHING in his system. He had a mental dissorder. You globalist pig!!!!!!
Report Post »justsayin225
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 9:51amWow. Seriously? Did you watch the same video I did? Have you ever been to any kind of crisis intervention training or any training dealing with people with mental illness? I have and this is NOT how you deal with mentally ill people. Not to mention, the primary officer CLEARLY threatens the man while he is doing NOTHING to “resist” and that’s not the only thing that goes on. Mr. Thomas’ physical reactions do not appear resistant but reactive to being ASSAULTED! Not to mention, they do not teach you in Taser training to beat someone with the Taser. There were at least 5 officers ON TOP of this guy telling him to get on his stomach…..if you watched the WHOLE video, you can see his feet are pointed to the ground and he was already on his stomach. They had him pinned and you can tell he is not fighting them but simply trying to BREATHE. This is crap and there is no excuse for this at all and these officers deserve what they get. They give all of LE a black eye, not just themselves and their agency.
Report Post »Wew7777
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 2:36pmThese officers were all of them in the wrong. And I believe that we as Americans have the right and the duty when we see something like this happening to step up and say stop. Slow down take a breath and consider what you are doing.
Report Post »When we stand back and do nothing then we are contributing to the situation. I’m not saying get physically involved but verbally with respect and let them know that it is being filmed and recorded.
With cell phones today what is being filmed can be uploaded at the same time. It is our responsibility to respect but also to hold our public servants responsible.
zaverett
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 4:02pmIm sure u think u know what u r talking about in your own mind…but please keep your stupid dumb idiot mind from wondering on this site. u r probably some idiot that thinks its ok to kill someone becouse they resit…really? i think u need to be beaten or have someone u love beaten to death by a worthless cop abusing his power…
Report Post »Spanooch
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:16pmHe suffered from schizophrenia, do you know what that means? Kelly was disabled, and as such, should have been treated with the same compassion as someone with a physical disability, since people with mental disabilities are treated with contempt, as was the case here.
Report Post »Kelly was an inconvenience to them and therefore, disposable. If you think for a moment that the outcome would have been any different if Kelly would have played dead instead of being scared and fighting for his life, then you’re not living in the real world . These cops that killed him are now living in the real world in that they can’t simply cover up a murder like they would have liked. They are going to have to pay for their actions.
To blame the victim is as cowardly as killing a person who is disabled
Spanooch
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:46pm@US Navy Vet
Oh, please! How gullible can you be? Kelly was not breaking into cars. Oh, and it that really a felony, really? What is murder? Please educate us some more. That piece of mail they found was probably dug out of a trash can. That’s what the homeless do – hello? Making threats to someone who has a mental disorder is not the way to go about it. Just as someone should not threaten a cripple. Or do you think that having a mental disorder is any less of a disability than being a cripple?
Report Post »Yes, poor Ramos, having to deal with Kelly. He could have done the right thing and left Kelly alone when it was obvious he hadn’t broken any laws. But no, he had an agenda. Too bad it was all caught on tape and recorded so there’s nowhere for them to hide from their actions. More dirt is coming out about your hero Ramos now, and it‘s just too bad he wasn’t stopped before he and his buds commited murder.
CaHere
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:33amAffirmative action at its finest. Many of these cops sympathize with Occupy. Union trumps all.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:27pmEveryone is FRUSTRATED… so we all need to go to our Quiet Place for awhile… or we are going to start Killing each othe, en mass!
Report Post »aquablue
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:32amfrom the beginning, it is clear what the cops intentions were. too bad there will be no riots. it’s a little hard to put your hands behind your back when a lard a** is squashing you flat to the ground. Wow. that was awful. this will feed the occupiers. way to go Fullerton, PD.
Report Post »aueni
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:20amThis a common practice with law enforcement anymore. ( Pin your arms underneath you so you cant comply so they can beat hell out of you.) If you survive they can charge with resisting arrest. Game over. Like drinking & driving, Steroids & Cop‘s reruns don’t mix.
Report Post »mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:27pmIts coming. The American people are close to revolution.
Report Post »Yuri
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:31amScary, I agree with you. I worked a strike in San Fran and the strikers were assaulting my guys. When my AIC looked at the Police Officers who witnessed the assaults, shrugged their shoulders and walked off!! Seems these worthless POS Police Officers, belonged to the same union as the strikers. Worthless bastards
Report Post »SNOOPALOOP6868
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:41pmThey really are pieces of trash these two officers…Seems cameras are starting to show just how bad the boys in blue really are out there
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:29amSubmit!!
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:41amyou mean, “submit or die..”
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:26amI am usually on the side of the cops, and had they just been hitting legs I would be on their side, but this guy did not need to be beat in the face and head, I say the cops should get death by beating with a night stick to the head and face.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:35amI am retired from LE and I agree with you whole heartedly. Just waiting to see how their union stands up for these guys. Birds of a feather….
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:40amI agree … a police officer that does this should face the stiffest punishment possible.
Report Post »Bryan B
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:21amI know this for a fact,
Kelly Thomas is now in a place, where he has no more cares of this world, and is at peace.
The family of Kelly Thomas and the Police Officers and their families need everyones prayers.
The Thomas family needs prayers, to ease their pain, loss and grief.
The Police Officers need prayers, because these men are in trouble, right down to their very souls, and they can’t see that they have done anything wrong. Pray not for there destruction, but that their hearts be opened, so they can see the wrong in what they have done.
Pray for the Police Officers families, because their going to know loss and pain.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:00pm@Bryan B
Report Post »You sir, are correct.
krenshau
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:58pm@Bryan B, the cop’s soul is between them and God. I’m more concerned about the souls of the people they murder. Those people don’t get a second chance.
Report Post »yathink
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:01pmBryon B, These cops should rote in hell. God bless you sir but this evil is allowed to flurish and that is why we are were we are.
Report Post »Bryan B
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:15amThese Police Officers are not evil men…..Just men that got lost somewhere along the way.
When ever we do something wrong, we go to Our Father in Heaven and His Son, and ask for help, forgiveness and mercy. And we even ask others to pray for us.
Whats the difference between us and these men ?
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 2:25am@Bryan B,
no!!!! There is a point within a human being’s soul that they can no longer be salvagable. They deserve ETERNAL DAMNATION. This is why God’s judgement is coming. This is horrific!!! What makes it worse than any other beating and murder is that these are POLICE OFFICERS.
I imagine they think ‘what’s the big deal, he was just a crazy homeless guy.’ This was a tragic soul whose phsyche cracked a little under the pressure of these end times. He didn’t have the facilities to deal with the situation. I am totally and utterly mournful for Kelly Thomas and his family.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:25amPlease remember; all police are government agents. Nothing more and nothing less. All the romanticized crap we are told, like To Protect and Serve, is true. But just like Hope and Change is true one must know who is being protected and served and what are we hoping for and what/how is it going to change.
The police haven’t changed since the Sheriff of Nottingham. They serve their “lords”, be they cities, counties, states or the Federal establishment. I believe there is much more of this kind of stuff that goes on every day, but we never hear about it. If you think these mooks give a crap about the citizens then I feel very sorry for you.
Cops, please for God’s sake, don’t protect or serve me!
Report Post »Teabunny
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:37amLike all “beautiful liars” …they get down on one knee, and swear allegiance to the people, …but when it comes down to it…its another lie.
Report Post »CaHere
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:44amYou are 100% correct. They are only loyal to their unions. The Occupy people said on local talk radio in LA, that lot of the police told them quietly “we are on your side”. I expect videos like this will soon be illegal for public view, and the people with video phones will be harassed or arreste.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:18pmI had not only one officer respond to my home the day after someone complained about me flying a foam RC model airplane in a vacant park but another officer as well. They could not cite the exact code I was in violation of but I agreed to not fly there anymore because I could see we were going to come to an impasse where they needed to resolve the matter so they could say to the complaining party its been dealt with. We do live in the police state, don’t think so? Just realize or count up all the laws you must comply with on a daily basis or you will be arrested. Start with your county taxes that failure to pay can get the sheriff to your door and have you evicted from your own home.
Report Post »StevenNarbonne
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:42pmVery well written! Congrats! I couldn’t agree with you more! Beware the “I‘m from the government and I’m here to help you!” types, in uniform or not!
Report Post »SilentDove
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:22amGod bless our men and women who serve our communities by being police officers but these men responsible for this act and the covering of it deserve what they get from both God and men’s justice. I hope that these men truly understand what they did if not yet, then someday.
Report Post »mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:31pmThis is the PROBLEM… Police are their to Serve themselves. Youre delusional if you think differently. Total and complete cush job. Driving around in expensive equipment harrassin people all day and getting huge sums in pay and bennies.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:22amUsually if you look cross eyed at a cop he thinks you’re resisting and about to assault him.
Report Post »There‘s good cops and bad cops and unfortunately he ran into some bad ones and they won’t be convicted.
Dishevel
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:29amI live in the area that this happened.
Report Post »These particular cops are horrible. What happened here was murder.
“See these fists, they are getting ready to **** you up.”
That was a quote from this officer before he murdered Kelly Thomas.
He should face the death penalty. Every officer that witnessed this and did nothing to stop this murder should be summarily fired.
They are not supposed to stand around and watch as a threat is made then carried out.
SCARY
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:19amHere are your beloved Police officers GLENN!! You think they’re gonna help anyone when the shtf?!! We are all criminals now.We’ll all get our face smashed in once the tazer wears out.This is your main problem Glenn.You think these corrupt ego-maniacs are on our side.F the Police.
Report Post »SilentDove
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:25amSir, with all due respect you’re wrong – not all police officers are like these despicable men, it is sadly true that many of our police officers can be like this and many others wish to be, I have a few in my wife’s family… But not all are, that is just the truth.
Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:36amSeriously? You place ALL police into this category? Like any occupation, you’re going to have some bad apples. Sounds like you may have had some run ins with the law.
Report Post »SCARY
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:26am@Reconmarine.Never had any run ins with the law other than speeding tickets.I have eyes.I have ears.Im not an occupier.Or,a weed smokerIf you’re to blind to see the whole “legal” process is corrupt from cop to court,you should re-enlist so you can do as ordered ,and not have to worry about thinking for yourself.Or you can become a cop…all that military training is just perfect for killing their victims…er I mean, protecting the public.Of course not all are bad.But the benefit of the doubt is no longer given to them.I will always assume they will find 5 different charges for me if I don’t smile,kiss their ass and pretend to sound grateful that they were born.Check YouTube or google police corruption.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:24pm@dove and recon
Report Post »Get your head out of your ***es. Yes, all cops are like this. Illegal that is. All cops are unconstitutional. Fact, not opinion. Permanent standing armies are not allowed. You want one? Amend the constitution. Until then every single cop is committing treason.
macpappy
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:49pmI am not sure everyone understands that the very police organization, local police force as stated is in fact illegal. There is no justification for “local police forces” in the Constitution. Back in the day, when I was young and foolish, the County Sheriff was the only law you ever saw. A sheriff and his deputies are the only law enforcement mandated by the Constitution. The County sheriff is more powerfull in his office than a Governor is in his. Why have we allowed the forming of local police forces?
Report Post »Why do we allow them to be funded?
CaHere
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:19amWelcome to California. The state ran by public employee unions. The state where these officers get $100,000 retirements, 100% paid health care for life. The state with 1 Trillion dollars in unfunded public liability. Welcome to Obama nation..
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:11amEvery officedr there should be fired and never allowed to work for a police department anywhere again. The ones beating him should be handles as I stated earlier
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:35pmFired? How about life in prison for MURDER???
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:10amIm starting to wonder if this happened because he was white
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:08amI couldnt finish watching it. Never in my life have i seen anything so disturbing. This is a 100 times worse than Rodney King incident.
Report Post »GMP
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:27amOkay, well, you are OBVIOUSLY a racist for saying that sir/ma’am… it appears that you have forgotten that Rodney was black.
Report Post »txbigfoot
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:40amI support the cops but this was disgusting and revolting. Look at the blood pool in the video in the end. This was not sanctioned. I hope these past officers get the death penalty. The officer was giving conflicting commands, using verbal foul language and escalating the issue. He was over abusive and the cause. The twirling of the baton in the earlier video clearly show he was in to beat heads. Also, note in the video when they go towards the bush early on . they have his left arm behind his back and his body pushing down on his right arm while they are screaming for him to move his arm. He cant. It was pinned down and they kept beating hi. also, the over used the taser. This was truly disgusting and if the DA of that county is not prosecuting the officers himself/herself then something is wrong
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:24amYet, the “white community” is NOT out burning their neighborhoods and stores! We are standing by for the law to be vetted out and Justice to happen! These Cops are those 10% animals that need to be caged for LIFE!
Report Post »Blazebanned
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:02amAdding to my earlier comment, Thomas was given a command by the cop, and he did NOT comply, he also resisted when they had him on the ground.Two wrongs dont make a right in this case. Had Thomas complied with what the cop told him to do,he might be alive today,had Fullerton PD NOT hired a a cop, who to me sounded like he could barely speak english,and who possibly need more training, and more physical training,this may not have happened…..
Report Post »SCARY
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:26amWhich order?Sit back or sit forward?Hands forward or hands behind you?Youve obviously never seen a cop and the little games they play.Can you say the alphabet backwards?….Why not?..Have you been drinking?
Report Post »dimitrisokolov
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:27amIf he doesn’t comply, you throw him on the ground and hand cuff him. You don‘t beat the **** out of him until he’s dead. The cops are way out of control. These cops need life in prison and the rest should be be fired immediately.
Report Post »Dishevel
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:00amThat cop let him know early on that the plan was for him to get “****ed up”.
Report Post »moodtd01
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:14pmSeriously!?
Report Post »First of all, I am for the rule of law and making sure that citizens are safegaurded against dangerous people. I am usually very happy with the police and appreciate the hard job they do. On the other hand, I agree with Dishevel, I too noticed that the cop kept telling him to do different things, not really being very clear, and then threatening him by saying “see my fist, I am going to F___ you up!” He then starts to get rough with the guy pushing him around as he is already on the ground. It is like he wanted the guy to resist so he could beat him. Did anyone else notice at the very begining this same cop had his nightstick out when he was just talking to him?
Now, the guy was not listening to instructions.
He did try to run away.
He did resist at first.
He probably kept “resisting” especially as he could not breathe, which should be obvious to anyone who has had a couple of fat guys sit/kneel/stand on their back.
The guy seemed to have stolen some items from somewhere, he had someone else mail in his backpack. For this and making the cops mad as they had to deal with him alot he lost his life.
I decided a long time ago that when you see a cop coming at you, if he looks angry, you better just lay down and put your hands out in a non-threatening way.
The only other option is to use deadly force from the start if you are not going to comply as the cops certainly will.
Dear Father in heaven, please help us.
In Jesus name,
Amen.
SaintzOfAk
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:14amBlazeBanned…..your one dumb S O B…..seriously!. Sounds like to me you’ve spent your life sitting in a box sniffin your own farts until your brain became liquified. Who can even argue with your special brand of stupidity?.
Report Post »JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:01amSad state of affairs………………………..
Report Post »clipper@work
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:57amUsually a big supporter of the police but after watching this video and seeing pix of suspect’s face these two cops need to be found guilty and spend many wonderful years with Bubba.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:07amI Stopped supporting the Police after going through 3 Revenue generating Road Blocks in one day.
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:57amI counted no less than 5 fat out-of-shape union thug cops beating the crap out of a clearly mentally disturbed man who never really seemed to be a physical threat… they couldn’t control him? so they killed him? Wow! they admitted to smashing his face to hell .. where is the ambulance? … this is what we have to look forward to …criminals in blue marching for the Union and Obama…. while real criminals are raping and killing at will… these guys are pathetic…
Report Post »SilentDove
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:26amI am no supporter of Obama’s policies but anyone who is relating this disgusting incident to Obama clearly has some issues beyond disagreeing with the president.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:40am@Crazyotto
Yes, this is all the fault of Obama and the unions. Van Jones has some part in it, too I bet. And Nancy Pelosi, too. Tell me, when it’s real quiet, can you hear the sound of the wind blowing in one ear and out the other unimpeded?
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:18pmOkay I have offended Obama supporters… the point was these are cops who public sector union members who acted as thugs with clear intent to harm this man.. they showed no remorse. Something is motivating them to act as if they have impunity when it comes individual civil rights… Someone in their department is giving them signals to the effect that they can beat the crap out of citizens for no reason.. I do not have any grounds to blame Barry other than to say he is fostering a mind set with public sector unions that they can act up and get away with it… It may not have been the case here.. you could say it is somewhat of stretch..I stand corrected.. the cops in this case remain tub-of-guts thugs …
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:37pmvance-baby.. I will add that when it comes to airheads…I ain’t got nothing on Nancy Pelosi she is the tops.. Vance Jones remains an unrepentant Communist. Barry has no emotional connection to this country or its people.. He does however, remain committed to his Statist ideology.. so good luck with your heroes …
Report Post »politicianssuck
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:56amSo when do the riots start?
Report Post »Blazebanned
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:52amSo typical of police depts. in democrat/liberal cities,with large populations.
Report Post »ShawnB
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 3:52amThats orange county and I live out here. Ummm hate to break it to you but thats a republican town brother. Youre wrong and obviously you started judging before you got the facts. :)
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:49amHow is it that there are so many “videographers” that can just stand by and film rather than doing anything – even screaming stop it? How does someone stand by and watch such thing and say or do nothing?
Report Post »SilentDove
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:57amI have to say that takes a lot of gusto on your part to say, these were police officers beating this man, not a criminal – the average person, no matter how brave has to think twice before interfering with police business even if it is as heinously despicable, rotten and disgusting as this.
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:03amokay so some concerned citizen runs up to stop the union thug cops and they in turn start beating him/her.. this makes sense?
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:06amScream stop and they take your camera and beat the crap out of you. The 2nd amendment does not protect you against the Gestapo.
Report Post »Lumen
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:41amThe camera men wont speak up cause obviously they dont want to be next. They just watched the cops beat a man to death for what was very clearly nothing. would you go stop the cops in that situation?
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:50amSmokey-
Report Post »and that is why the republic is going to fall. Everybody will watch, witness it, film it, but nobody will do anything.
Crazyotto
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:03pmWell perhaps there were afraid to do anything.. after all the cops were beating this man to death what is to say they wouldn’t do the same to anyone else..Have you ever tried to intercede with the police in course of them doing their so-called duty? I can tell you I have and I also was threatened with a beating…lets face it on the street the cop is GOD!
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:54pmTaking the video was the most anyone did for this victim. Trying to do anything less than pulling your own weapon and making the officers stop beating the man would be suicide. And who wants to pull down on several trained gun hands? No, the problem has to be handled at City Hall, and thank goodness for the videographer.
Report Post »politicianssuck
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:06pmEasy now arm chair warrior. As soon as they threatened you with a bogus charge such as helping a suspect resist arrest or something you would have backed off…If you would have even tried.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:42pmMacpappy-
Report Post »this stuff wont stop until bystanders intercede. If the peaceful means do not stop the barbarity, violence will. Those cops would have been easy marks considering they were so out of shape and immersed in beating this guy to death. would not even needed to reload.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:47amLet justice be done in this case across the board; if found guilty they need to serve the maximum sentence availible under the law. Watch for the radicals to use this trial as a motivator for instigation of rioting and violence in the near future regardless of the officers being found innocent or guilty.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:03amI dis agree if found guilty they should be beat to death just like they did him. They’re job is to protect not beat someone to death and they more than just crossed the line. They were enjoying their actions.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:46pmThere is no “if”. They are caught red handed (literally).
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:47amBe sure your sins will find you out.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:47amIf these guys never repent and end up in hell, they will have demons beating their faces in for all enternity except that they will have a ressurected body unto damnation that will never die. That is what the wicked do not realize. What ever evil and sin that you loved to commit here on earth, when you choose to go to hell, all the evil that you did to others will be repeated upon your specially made body for all eternity. Suffering like you can never imagine occurring in flames that never stop.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:27amCalifornia, as long as you keep your expectations low, you will never be disappointed…
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:05amGrrrrrr….that fat pig wanting him to just do anything..makes me ill !!
Report Post »SquareHead
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:02pmPeople don’t pay attention to anything. One day the same people will walk onto the cattle cars, as long as they are promised: Food, flat screen TV, unlimited sports and internet porn..
We can thank public education for the ignorance and stupidity…
Thanks to homeschooling there is hope. See for yourself:
Homeschooling Report Academic Achievement and Demographics: http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/2009_Ray_StudyFINAL.pdf
Homeschooling on the rise:
Report Post »http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2010/12/03/homeschool.minority.cnn