Smile: Tiny Uniform Cameras Spreading to Police Departments Across the Country
- Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:17pm by
Liz Klimas
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First there were dashboard cameras. Now, get ready for uniform cameras.
Police departments across the country are starting to have officers wear tiny cameras that record an officer’s-eye view. The little cameras attached to the front of police officers’ uniforms are already familiar to those who watch the National Geographic show “Wild Justice” — which follows California wildlife officers — but could now start making their way to a department near you.
Image: Screenshot from VIEVU video
NPR reports that law enforcement administration see use for the cameras to help provide visual evidence in cases, including those that include accusations of police brutality, and add another measure to officer safety. According to NPR, cities like Cincinnati and Oakland, Calif., have already begun using the cameras, in addition to some small jurisdictions, and Seattle City Council member Bruce Harrell is trying to get them added to the budget for next year:
He says he hopes the result will be a more complete view of police encounters with the public, as well as better behavior across the board.
“People behave differently when they are on camera,” Harrell says. “So these cameras I believe can restore trust.”
Harrell’s enthusiasm is not shared by Sgt. Rich O’Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild. O‘Neill doesn’t like the fact that many of the departments that have adopted wearable cameras have given their officers little discretion: They’re required to record every contact with the public, and can‘t stop recording until it’s over — even if a citizen asks them to.
This screenshot from a VIEVU example video shows the perspective of the camera attacked to the officer's uniform. (Image: Screenshot from VIEVU video)
Last month, the Denver Post reported that its city would be added to the growing list of those with law enforcement wearing cameras. It is in the thick of a 60-day pilot program testing use of the cameras now:
“Based on concerns raised about the pattern of abuse in our law enforcement community, this is a great first step,” Ulibarri said of the body cameras.
At least during the trial period, the officers testing the technology will decide when to activate their cameras. If police adopt the devices, protocols could be designed that would remove discretion from officers and specify when they must turn on their camera.
Even though this technology is meant to provide a more complete picture of crime situations, it is not without its privacy concerns. The Denver Post continues:
“This sort of recording is a double-edged sword,” said John Verdi, senior counsel at the Washington, D.C.-based Electronic Privacy Information Center. “They can be valuable law enforcement tools and also demonstrate when and how police are complying or not complying with appropriate procedures. At the same time, the recordings made in the course of everyday (duty) are not the sort of things you want available to the public, and this does open them up to the public.”
(Photo: VIEVU)
The Denver Post notes that VIEVU has supplied more than 1,000 police departments with this equipment so far. According to the VIEVU website, the cameras are designed for those who “need to video document their action.” The device also includes a feature that locks the device for security purposes if it is lost or stolen. There are examples that show the VIEVU perspective while being worn by police officers here.
You can see a version of the uniform camera in action in this clip from “Wild Justice,” which has several shots taken from the officer’s perspective and at 2:56 shows cameras mounted on their shoulders: (Note: It’s a different type of camera than the VIEVU)
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Plainview
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:17pmIt’s unbelievable how naive some people are. This is nothing less than Socialist/Communism, Totalitarianism, Police State harassment. By the way, how would a camera on the policeman’s chest and focused on the poor guy they have stopped, video record the cop. That’s BS! These infringements on American rights in the name of protection is nothing but feces.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:40pmAmen Brother ! !
Report Post »Their are to many people on here takin up for the cops,that are clueless !
Giving they’re Freedom away like Holloween candy !
Clive
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:03pmi guess the plus side, is that maybe the cops will behave better. although they have the option to turn it off… .so probably not.
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:27pmPlainview
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:17pm
By the way, how would a camera on the policeman’s chest and focused on the poor guy they have stopped, video record the cop.
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You’re joking, right?
Report Post »IntegrityFirst08
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:35pmHawk – Your statement screams Intellectualism. You have typed one sentence with 8 errors in it. Thats reallly helps your effectiveness when turning educated people on the police protecting them. You sir should place your head back underneath the rock now.
What you idiots dont see is that these cameras are going to give the public as well as the cops a view into the decision the police made and why they made it. They will support the cops and also paint a true story of the bad cops. Someone will sit and review a cops split second decision for months and wonder if he crossed the line or not. The fact that cops made the decision in just split seconds i guess is past some people.
You people who talk about a police state are the true idiots. People whos job it is, is to respond to you idiots calling 911. Libs.
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:41pmIntegrityFirst08
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:35pm
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Exactly. +
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:48pm@ Integrity,
I don’t hate cops. I hate what they do sometimes but that is true of everyone I suppose. I think there is some naivity in your argument though. We tend to talk about cops in the TJ ****** vein. You know, the uniformed officer with a tie hanging onto the hood of a car as a murderer/drug dealer tries to escape.
However, I think a different picture of the police emerges when you look at reality.
1. I see numerous cops in BDU’s and combat boots. There’s a reason we have a military and a police force. Evidently the militarization of the police force has translated into numerous examples of excessive force used by police forces all across the country.
2. Many police don‘t even know the law and in some instances that doesn’t even matter…they can still drag you downtown for something that isn‘t even illegal because the cop didn’t know the law.
3. I’ve seen many examples of police seeing transgressions but doing nothing to stop them. Why? Because they have been told what to enforce and not to enforce. Case in point? Cops watch TSA idiots molest children, women, nuns, etc. and do nothing.
4. Regarding #4, it happens because a cop doesn’t get up in the morning and look to stand up for the constitution. They are union. (see the article on the blaze). They take orders from union thugs and political courtesans. They don’t work for you. They are above the law and are accountable to their handlers and the structure above them.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:51pm#4 continued. Said differently, they are wooden soldiers of the state. Not defenders of ideals or justice or right/wrong.
#5. Which brings me to my last point. Those of us who are agains an ever expanding State will ultimately come face to face with one of these guys. For example, when they started rounding up guns after Katrina cops confiscated weapons in violation of the second amendment. They do what they are told without regard to rights or the constituion. I heard of no examples where a cop refused an order at that time.
Cops are mindless arms of the state. Period. As they continue to lower hiring standards this becomes even more prevelant.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 4:06pmCan you say 1984?
I read that (plans) are to be able to digitally record a human existence from birth to death by 2017 based on present growth (shrink) rates. Based on the U.S. governments unwavering interest in a single all in one data base cross accessible by all government agencies and likely at least several “civilian” companies as well, a digitally recorded society is the “basic” direction we are going.
‘Why’ we are just took a huge hit while I was in the Netherlands last month. A woman had her purse stolen in a restaurant during evening meal in London. No problem, right? They have 32 Million CCTV cameras watching everything going on in London. More than any city on earth.
Police told her they would need a room full of employees and hours to screen the clips in order to find the recording, then they would need to mount a man hunt to find him. Sorry, we aren’t going to find your purse.
Not only that, they weren’t even going to LOOK for it.
Why all of the surveillance if it’s not for “law enforcement?” They tell you it’s “for security”, but whose? It makes sense that data (volume) will over load any database before long. So, what’s the point?
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 4:29pm~^~v~~^~~v~^~
Cmon man there are 2 sides to every story. We know how bad people lie, if anything these things should be used by cops dealing with occupiers. They have cams and are editing things to tell a different story, they conveniently leave out when they draw first blood. I say this is a good idea in those types of situations and I think as far as riots go cops should have their own videographers. What happened in Atlanta is good example they all were lying about what happened but there is vid to show the truth. Camera is the new weapon of our times Im ok with it b/c you never know might save you behind one day in a he/she said he/she said moment!
Theres good an bad with anything these are just tools, its how you use them that makes them good or bad. I see it as keeping cops in line and also as a means of protecting citizens from cops acting outside their jurisdiction on matters or over reacting!
Report Post »http://SavingtheRepublic.com TAPGW
docvet
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 4:32pm@ROTHBARD….
Report Post »In the 70′s when the hippies were calling the police pigs, one of the most frequently heard replies was,”OK, next time you are being robbed, beaten or under attack, don’t call a cop, call a hippie”. I don’t know how you got your head so screwed up and I admit that there are some bad cops, but I wouldn’t want their job. A simple traffic stop can turn into a shoot out with a crazy druggie. So my advice to you is the same as in the 70′s. if you need a cop, don’t call 911, just take your anarchist lumps and losses.
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 4:57pm@docvet
If I‘m being robbed and for some reason have a way to call 911 when doing so do you think the police will arrive before I’m beaten to a pulp and my wallet is lifted? I mean seriously, when do you EVER call the cops to save you or prevent something? They show up AFTERWARDS. I don’t understand why people seem to think that they are these heroes of justice that swoop in and save/protect you.
Each day YOU protect YOU. You defend yourself. YOU defend your home and your family. YOU make choices, lock doors, avoid areas, carry a gun/mace, etc. The cops take your report and MAYBE catch someone later. They are administrators for the State. They are not your saviors. YOU are. You should no more idolize them than you do the public works guys. In fact, probably less.
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:01pmNormally I’m against the use of cameras by the government. But in this case, I think every policeman should be on camera the entire time they are on duty. They have the power, the authority and the gun and they need the scrutiny. We all understand human nature and we all know why. Any arrests made off camera…. thrown out. Any interractions done off camera? Entire case thrown out. Data collected off camera…. thrown out.
I haven‘t been the victim of police corruption but I’ve personally witnessed a cop planting evidence and I know it happens. Before then when there was a “his word versus the word of a police officer” situation I gave the police officer the benefit of the doubt. Now… I need more evidence. Before then, when the defendent said “The cops planted that!” I would laugh. Now… I have to consider that a distinct possibility.
Report Post »rclakeman
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:10pmA response to Integrityfirst08..
Your view that an individuals opinion and logic are contigent upon their ability to spell is at best elitist. Some might say that it’s even a little ignorant. It would also be a good idea to proof read your comment before belittling another poster for spelling errors. “Thats reallly helps your effectiveness…”. I believe you meant to type “That really” not “Thats reallly”. Your spelling errors don’t invalidate your opinion, however, your flawed logic does. These cameras amount to video surveillance of any area the officer is in without probable cause and without a proper warrant. The cameras are recording citizens, not the officer. If you don’t find that disturbing than I have to question your commitment to our constitution. The police don’t protect me. They respond when they’re called (usually). The rest of their time is spent writing tickets to support their department. Most officers are commited to their duty and I respect them for that. However, they work for a system that spends more time pursuing traffic infractions for income than solving or preventing crime. That, to me, brings us far closer to a police state than I’m comfortable with.
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:55pmit records both ways, what’s said by the officer and being said by the guy pulled over. how again is that an abuse? maybe it will shut the mouths of everyone involved a little
Report Post »Loyal Eagle
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 7:47pmI have one too… If I can carry one, they should have the same right. If something goes down it’s proof of what happened from your own point of veiw.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 8:36pmINTEGRITYFIRST,
Report Post »Kiss my A$$ copper, and spell check your own post! 5 ERRORS !
I’m sick of your abuse of power……..You don’t protect anyone……your just a grown up hall monitor !
ROTHBARNIAN, AND V MAN MACE AND I KNOW YOUR KIND! And thers more of us than their are of you, and someday you’ll find yourself on the Wrong side……………………………………
Paul Kersey
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 9:23pmTurn about is fair play. I’ve always suggested civilians keep a small video camera in our own vehicles and record all interactions with police for our personal safety.
Report Post »SFYMP
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 9:52pmHawk you’re right, RITC has it nailed. Any other opinion is foolish…It is mind boggling how the majority of the populace are clueless about the PoPo not being there for the citizen. Happened way back in 1978, if you are younger than 33 you never knew what a peace officer was. Since then they were federalized and became Law Enforcement Officers with Zero Tolerance. FACT:… Those of us older than that remember the pre gestapo days. Abolish all unions starting with the LEO community…We the people need to remember that fact in the coming days of reckoning. Why do they have a double standard on video taping. Wake up non-believers. The days of trusting ANY facet of govt. are over.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 9:57am@Plainview
“Socialist/Communism”…?
Do you even know what those words mean? Historically speaking, socialists HATE communists and communists HATE socialists.
Stop throwing “bad” words at things you don’t agree with – it makes you sound ignorant to anyone with half a brain.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 10:00amPLEASE! Can any one of you pig sycophants please answer the challenge I have place here many, many times?
PLEASE, tell me how a PERMANENT STANDING ARMY of pigs does not violate the constitution? Before you blast me as extreme left or extreme right (Beck’s new attack words), just answer the d*mned challenge! I am so sick of you sticking up for pigs that are paid, insane, retirements due to their PUBLIC UNIONS and the fact that they cannot be VOTED out! I support elected Sheriffs and their deputies only.
The constitution allows only for RAISED armies and financed for 2 years at a pop. Elected law enforcement is easy to clean house. THE PEOPLE do it by voting! –NOT other pig buddies that need tons of other little gang piglets to contribute to their pensions! No other argument you give will work to support them. It is up to YOU to PROVE they are legal! I am for law enforcement as long as it is elected.(deputies are appointed or fired by the elected sheriff)
People call 911 because progressives have taught them that self-reliance and self-protection is radical. Pigs are illegal and I happen to agree with the fascist-in-chief on the reason:
“…the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you…”
When seconds count, pigs are only minutes away.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:28amHoly…I actually fell out of my chair laughing at “grown up hall monitor”!
Wow!
AAHAHAH!!!!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:31amIntegrity
The police institution has lost a great deal of its “integrity”. I don’t hate any person. I hate people’s actions and the actions of public institutions like the Police as a whole.
Therefor, I don’t call 9-11, I call .357!
Report Post »debkk9
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:08pmanybody know what these things cost?? maybe we should all get one
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:10pmTry it and you could find yourself in prison. One of the boys in blue will protect and serve you right to lockup.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:23pmJust carry a timestamped voice recorder. No need to alert the cop he’s being monitored (in states that “allow” you to record I mean). Being a CHL holder I always carry my voice recorder with me, thing stays on continuously for days on one set of batteries.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:06pmPeople behave differently on camera only until the shock wears off. And do you know how I know? Because in China they have many cameras, and people still walked on by that toddler who got ran over by the van, and street cams photo all sorts of accidents with people fleeing the scene or not helping the victims. That’s how I know.
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:18pm“People behave differently when they are on camera,” Harrell says. “So these cameras I believe can restore trust.” Yeah? Then why are so many police departments getting lawmakers to create laws making it illegal to film or photographs law enforcement doing their job? Are they afraid it will also make THEM behave differently, so as to treat people with respect? I trust most law enforcement officers, but not all are worthy of that trust. If they can film us, we can film them with the same justification, not that we need one.
Report Post »oldschoolgreen
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:28pmYou know I am really tired of hearing about that. Sombody did help. Was it horrific? Yes. Cold hearted and calluse? Yes. Did somebody come to the girls aid? Yes? Was the mother devastated? Yes. You can see something similar happen to a 78 year old man in Connecticut on you tube. Type in “78 year old man gets hit by car and nobody helps”. Step off of your high horse and come down to street level with the rest of us. An entire nation of over a billion people with I don’t know how many cultural groups cannot be demonized by one awful video.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 9:11pmoldschoolgreen
All good pints
They have 51 recognized ethic groups in China.
Report Post »dangergirl
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:05pmImplanted cameras will be next. And many people will accept them as a requirement for employment.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 1:23pmI require them now for employment.
Report Post »korbin
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:58pmCan you say POLICE state??? look at the road blocks going on all over the country. Homeland Insecurity, TSA yeah right, they don’t even protect our sovereign borders but yet they have illegal check points. The only good about the cameras is we can get the truth on how POLICE invent and make up stuff to message their egos. I have never been in troubled with the law FYI. I have had 2 bogus tickets and was lied to by the cops so 2 for 2 I imagine those odds are pretty bad.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:19pmMy wife made an improper left turn and was pulled over. It happens. We went to go pay the ticket online and the officer tacked on a seatbelt violation for the heck of it ($30). My wife was wearing her seatbelt, she always does. So your choice is to take off work and go to court and fight it or just pay the 30 bucks. Shame on Cleveland police. Evidently corruption trickles down.
Those of you with teen crushes on cops need to re-evaluate your positions. They are NOT your friends. They are run by a bunch of crooked thugs and only care to stay alive and collect a pension. If obeying orders violates your rights or justice?…So be it. Protect and serve? Who? I’d say each other and the system. They could give a rats @$$ about you. They just show up and fill out paperwork after the crime is over. God forbid, you try to defend yourself. That will get you handcuffs and a trip to city hall and thousands in a criminal/civil defense trial. Cops? No, Stazi.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:37pmIn Boone co KY that seatbelt violation is 200$ With their No tolerance policy , thats also running stop sign, 10 MPH over, pretty much anything they cant arrest you for …200$…! POLICE sTATE ! ! !
Report Post »And in Cincinnati after dark if you run from a cop they will shot you !
Dirty Harry
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:56pmThe cops need video’d as much as the suspects do.
Report Post »scoter
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:54pmhttp://www.helpfireobama.com Please give $20.12
Report Post »In detroit
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:54pmYes sireee bob , its all here to protect us got it babe
Report Post »altops
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:51pmDEER???????????? aren’t they abundantly prolific? since when does an american citizen need permission to hunt and kill deer that belong to them/us as our BIRTHRIGHT?????????????
Report Post »taxpro4u03
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 8:22pmApparently you skipped PUBLIC school the day they ‘taught’ —>http://www.apfn.org/apfn/bcolony.htm
Report Post »Brainwashed 14th Amendment ‘Citizen/Subjects?’ You betcha, Boy-o!! — Some FACTS are BRUTAL.
SimpleTruths
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 1:28pmAll you people need to go find some vacant land on another continent and start whatever kind of hell hole nation you think fits your needs. This is America and we don’t need your brand of whatever you call freedom. The police are here to protect us, they have a miserable, dangerous hard job and I appreciate their service.
Report Post »Nickyss
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:50pmI think this is great on two fronts. It not only protects the citizen, but it protects the cops from unjustified lawsuits. @CLEVELANDBLUE, I definitively agree, wire them up and post a live feed so we can monitor them real time. Heck, let’s take this all the way to DC!
Report Post »Sorocialism
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:49pm“the perspective of the camera attacked to the officer’s uniform.”
L2 proofread after spellcheck fails
Report Post »westfayetteville
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:47pmAre you aloud to tape the cops? If I‘m pulled over by the cop’s, can I tape them
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:56pmActually, in some States your not even allowed to tape someone breaking into your home.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:12pmThis is the most recent arrest of a man wielding a dangerous iPhone:
“Man arrested after recording conversation with PBSO deputies
By Cynthia Roldan, The Palm Beach Post
8:43 p.m. EDT, November 1, 2011
A 21-year-old was arrested early on Tuesday on charges of recording the encounter he had with deputies during a traffic stop without permission.
Carl Paul, of Pompano Beach, is charged with illegal interception of communication.”
Report Post »http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/pb-recording-leads-to-arrest-20111101,0,7158455.story
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:13pmYou can in Ohio, and they can’t say boo about it. In fact, you don‘t even have to notify them that they’re being recorded.
Yay Ohio! :)
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:21pmHey GoJ,
Yeah and tomorrow we will vote to become Greece by repealing SB5. Yay OH. /sarc off
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:35pmYeah, I know, the SB5 thing is insane. The unions, and you practically smell Obama’s stench and direct hand in this, have spent more money than God to convince everybody that if you don’t vote to repeal, that means that your house is going to burn down (countless commercials with this message) or that the police, golly, just won’t have the manpower to show up on time for a 911 call.
Shameless tactics and contemptable.
On the bright side, it appears we‘re going to pass Issue 3 if what I’m hearing is correct. Good bye Nazicare!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:47pmLet’s cross our fingers on 3.
What’s a shame is how stupid these cops and firemen are. They are totally being used as pawns and are either too stupid to figure it out or know it and are in on the game. Either way, doesn’t make me feel too good about the person who shows up at my house after a 911 call. If I was a fireman I’d say “wait a minute…why do we gotta fire cops and firemen first? Why not some of the bazillion paper pushers?” Of course, any citizen with half a brain would say the same thing. But the intellect of the average voter is…well…substandard let’s say. I think the joke is ultimately on them. If they repeal it, it doesn’t change the fact that cities and the state must still balance the budget. Either everyone kicks in or people get whacked. It’s a win win for us. I’m all for whacking some cops, that’s for sure. They’ll ultimately raise taxes more and more people will leave and the death spiral will continue. I have ZERO sympathy for Ohioans. Every bit of this mess is self inflicted. People get the government they deserve. If you’re a moron then enjoy your reward.
Report Post »Quasimofo
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:52pmAllowed or not, my car is outfitted with 3 tiny cams that stream to my home server via 3G with the push of a button anytime I am pulled over.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:14pmChecking in from the southern part of Ohio, I hope Ghost is right about issue 3. Rush sounded like he thought issue 2 was going to pass. I think there are too many uninformed, gullible people in Ohio.
Report Post »As far as the police, I wish I had had a tiny camera in some of my encounters with some police. Not all police are bad, most are just guys doing their job, but some think it makes them superior to the common citizen.
Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:40pmKidCharlemagne
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:12pm
This is the most recent arrest of a man wielding a dangerous iPhone:
“Man arrested after recording conversation with PBSO deputies
By Cynthia Roldan, The Palm Beach Post
8:43 p.m. EDT, November 1, 2011
A 21-year-old was arrested early on Tuesday on charges of recording the encounter he had with deputies during a traffic stop without permission.
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Run that scenario thru your mind…what was going on?
If you are pulled over for a traffic stop or are being interviewed by the police for….whatever, you comply with instructions. Period. If you’re told to remain in the car..remain in the car..if you’re asked to put out the cigarette..you put out the cigarette…if you’re asked to put your hand on the car..you put your hands on the car. How is any of this done when your hands are occupied and you’re focusing of framing the video?
Get a grip with the “Police State!”..et.al.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:53pmItchee,
Right and when you’re told to hand over your weapons you do it. When you’re told to be off the streets by 7PM you do it. When you’re told to shut up you do it. Makes total sense.
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:19pmRothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:53pm
Itchee,
Right and when you’re told to hand over your weapons you do it. When you’re told to be off the streets by 7PM you do it. When you’re told to shut up you do it. Makes total sense.
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Roth..
Yes. If you are stopped and have a gun you surrender the gun.
This is not rocket surgery here. Are you actually suggesting a gun battle for a traffic stop??
The rest you’re just making up as you go imo.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 7:52pmITCHEE,
Try…just for a moment…to think outside of a traffic stop. Did they or did they not go door to door in New Orleans rounding up weapons? You do realize that if the establishment has their way that men with guns (cops) will force you to do things against your will. Be it paying fines, taxes, eco fitting your home, or buying health insurance. Do you honestly think for one minute that if Obamacare goes into full effect and someone doesn’t buy insurance and refuses to pay the fine for it that any one of these cops would refuse to arrest them? For Pete’s sake, wake up.
And if cops come to my home and try to take my weapons they will get the bullets first.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 1:31pmaloud? I suspect you mean allowed. You either were home schooled or just didn’t bother going to classes. Of course I suppose it’s stepping on your “freedom” to say words have to spelled a certain way, right?
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:42pm.
Report Post »More video evidence of people behaving badly, I can hardly wait………….
old blacksmith
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:39pmi smell a new “world’s most…” offering coming to a tv near you.
Report Post »clevelandblue
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:42pmI have no problem wearing this at work as long as the mayor, all members of city council, and the chief wears one while they’re at work.
Report Post »okdavidson
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:53pmand the president
Report Post »korbin
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:54pmYou must be a cop? Well I am against anyone wearing one. No more privacy. However we are going to get a real good look and proof that most cops, police, sherifs, Government officials in general are lying egotistical abusive people. Fact. Period. So you are right about not wanting to wear unless your superiors wear one also, now you know how we feel about you wearing one.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:06pmOr gee, maybe we ought not arrest people who film you? There’s a thought. Hey, maybe when you all are reading your pension statements you could turn it on when you’re setting at that little podium at Hopkins watching citizens 4th amendment rights being trampled on and sexual assault being carried out in front of you. That might be kind of cool. Or maybe, you could turn it on when you pad tickets you write with bogus offenses to increase “revenue”. In fact, if you were so concerned about the corruption here you might even turn them on when you are investigating all the trasgressions of your bosses. These would all be great ideas huh?
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:00pmClevelandBlue
I agree with you. If one should be made to everyone should.
Wow where did all this HATE come from?? This man did not
cause your problems….No one can acccurately say ALL COPS
DO SOMETHING. Just like we can’t say ALL OF ANY THING
DOES SOMETHING. I know not all Police are GOOD but I also
know that ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS BAD.
I don’t think anyone should have to wear these.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:16pmWhy is taking issue with the behavior of representatives of an institution that WE pay for “HATE”? If I see city workers leaning on shovels and complain about it later am I “HATING”? I get so tired of people using political correctness charged words to shut down debate. It’s a sign of a weak argument and a feeble mind.
Report Post »ottis
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:40pmPolice Officers behave differently when you video tape them! Unfortunately in a Growing Number of States a Private Individual video taping Law Enforcement is being made a crime!
I guess the Truth should be held solely by the Law Enforcement Officers and Control of the Truth reaching the Public is at there Discretion Alone.
Pretty GD Sure we fought a war of Independance to ESCAPE THIS KINDA OF CRAP!
Keep voting Big Government Progressives into Office and when your being led away to the Wood Shed (like Obama’s Military Commanders) you will have no one to BLAME BUT YOUR OWN INNABILITY TO SEE THROUGH FASCISM!
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 4:02pmottis
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:40pm
Police Officers behave differently when you video tape them!
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Differently, how exactly?
taxpro4u03
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 9:27pmSince I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.
Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913), Doubleday
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:39pmIssue them now for all officers assigned to watch OWS people. Then we will know who the liars are, although this isn’t an issue with me as we all know how truthful left wing Liberals are and they would never lie. ……………………Extreme Sarcasm.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:39pmI still respect the law even though I have been wronged once. Not all law enforcement is bad – would not want this country without them – and, most I have known through the years have been overly merciful.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:46pmThe bulk are really great guy’s.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:50pmHope the mercy doesn’t end with the camera.
Report Post »ConservativeCharlie
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:38pmgood, now live stream the feeds.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:37pmKinda makes you want to put on a burkha. (Sans explosives.)
Report Post »oriondma05
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:34pmI think it’s a good idea. Too often police are lied about and this will hopefully work in their favor.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:09pmYou’re kidding right? Cops never lie or trump up crap on citizens…never.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:54pmAnd they never, ever accidently delete things off of video or find blank areas on the video that gosh, how did that happen?
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 3:57pmRothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 2:09pm
You’re kidding right? Cops never lie or trump up crap on citizens…never.
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You’re making an argument FOR the cameras.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 5:03pmPerhaps so. My intent was to make an argument against blind faith in the police. I‘d accept them if they couldn’t turn them off and that citizens had a national right to film them in return. (many places you can’t).
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 8:24pmYou could always get your own camera and wear it if you are worried about the cops trumping up false stuff. :)
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:33pmYour license plate is being scanned by the new system patrol cars have mounted on them, stop light cameras in many places, NSA monitoring of Google, Lap top cameras activated by outsiders and its all for your safety and security. ADD to this list!
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:32pmWhat good will it serve though?:
“Former U.S. Marine Jose Guerena SWAT Raid Video From Helmet Cam”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak
Won’t it just serve to reinforce what we already know has been taking place?
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:31pmAn excellent ideal.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:31pmWe are now videoed everywhere we go. No wonder people are acting paranoid these days and you don’t even have to be guilty of anything, just the notion and or reality that you are constantly being observed is annoying at the least. God is watching for sure, but he is fair and just. How about the Government? Not so much.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:19pmBig Brother, 1984!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:30pmThe SAME Nazis who want to try to make video recording them illegal, and arrests people for doing it when it isn’t illegal, tries to lock people up for 75 years to life, is now ready to video record YOU!!!
And what happens when they upgrade those little scanners to different tech? Face scanning, etc?
I TOLD YOU!
***I”M WARNING YOU!!!!***
***RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!!***
***RESIST FORCED VACCINATIONS!***
***RESIST!***
***YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE***
Report Post »Attention2Detail
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:32pmThis isn’t big brother. 1984 was watching all of us. This is to monitor a public servant in the perfomance of his duty. Most of us have constant or nearly constant supervision at work. This just does that for the police. This is not to say that I approve. There is a problem in that it also monitors everyone that the officer comes into contact with. If you want to make sure that people won’t talk to the police, just put them on camera.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:33pmAt least the cops will be on camera ! Hope they have voice recorders so they can pick up the verbal tone Some of these officers use.When it’s not needed. But camera speed tickets NO WAY I’LL EVER PAY ONE !
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:34pmThe Answer to 1984 is 1776!!
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 7, 2011 at 1:43pmYeah. The red light camera is bad – very bad.
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