So, Is Anyone Actually Happy With the Debt Deal?
- Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:14am by
Billy Hallowell
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LOS ANGELES (The Blaze/AP) — From the right and center: mild disgust. From the left: outright anger. But, over what, you ask?
Americans showed a range of emotions and responses to the debt-limit deal President Barack Obama and top leaders of Congress struck Sunday, but few were positive. Except perhaps relief that the weeks of wrangling were finally over.
Phil Waters of Anchorage, Alaska, gave a variation of a common response.
“It should have happened a real long time ago,” said Waters, a 60-year-old semiretired helicopter mechanic as he sat inside Darwin’s Theory, a downtown Anchorage bar. “It never should have gotten this far out of hand.”
Waters, who described himself as an “almost Libertarian conservative,” said he would have liked to see a lot more cuts than the spending reductions Obama and House Speaker John Boehner agreed to.
But Kiran Mahto of Portland, Ore., who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2008, would have preferred no deal at all to the concessions he felt the president made to congressional Republicans.
Mahto, a 35-year-old managing editor who works in health care information technology, said the agreement is the latest in a long string of times Obama has disappointed him, and vowed it would be the last.
“I’m actively opposed to this president now. That also goes for his party since they’ve been silent through the whole ordeal,” said Mahto, who thinks the debt deal will lead to an Obama defeat in 2012. “Cutting the deficit will do nothing to get people jobs. Without jobs and without a liberal base, he will lose.”
The agreement would cut at least $2.4 trillion from federal spending over a decade, but allowed the country to avoid a first-ever debt default and extended the Treasury’s authority to borrow beyond the 2012 elections.
Even the outline of the agreement, much less the details, left those without strong feelings confused and frustrated.
Brett Piper, 34, and Matthew Crosby, 30, radiology residents visiting Silver Spring, Md., from Indianapolis for a conference felt that they have probably been paying more attention to the debate than most, but were still unsure how much they could really understand.
“It’s hard to know what to trust,” Piper said. “The issue is made so complicated that it’s tough for the average American to make sense of it.”
Crosby agreed.
“It just makes me mad,” he said. “I’m innately interested, but I just get frustrated.”
Piper said he is a Republican but doesn’t feel that he can trust the Republicans.
“It’s a political game,” Piper said. “And in this game, everyone looks bad.”
In Philadelphia, Patrick Lucey, 25, of West Grove, Pa., had to explain the debt ceiling crisis to his friend, Enzo Amara, 25, of Montpellier, France, who just sighed.
Lucey said he thinks the large federal deficit will definitely be a burden to young people like himself who will have to pay for government programs far into the future. But he was philosophical. “It’s something expected,” he said of the government deficit. “It’s not a surprise.”
“I’ll be paying bills, student loans, a mortgage for the next 30 years,” he said. “I’m not going to let this bring me down. It‘s one more thing I’ll owe. When you’re born, you start owing.”
Others felt that even without grasping the details, they understood the deeper reality behind the deal.
“As long as these people let the oil companies and big business do what they do, nothing will change,” said taxi driver Harvey Philpot, 52, of North Philadelphia, Pa. “It’s all about big business.”
And Attorney John Trotman, 42, of Philadelphia, said “I feel like the debt ceiling became an issue because the Republicans turned it into one. It was an issue of creation. It was talking points for them. We’re headed toward an election and the Republicans want to get Obama.”
But there was also support for leaders hammering out the compromise.
Donald Price, a grocery store worker from Oxon Hill, Md., said he prays for the two sides in Congress to work together.
“I think they’re just doing the best they can do,” Price said. “We don’t know what they face every day.”
Many, including foreign nationals visiting the United States, were happy that worries about a debt default and international financial havoc could be put to rest.
Several British tourists discussed the developments in Times Square, not far from the National Debt Clock, a billboard-size digital display showing how much money the United States owes. They noted that Britain has had to cut costs over the last few years.
“For us in Europe it’s a good thing,” said one of the tourists, Andrew Harris, who works for an airline. “We were waiting for them to come to an agreement. It was really a scary thing to hear. What happens in the U.S. always has an impact in Europe.”
Ernie Robert, 52, of Deerfield, N.H., was at a Dallas shopping mall’s ice rink watching a youth hockey practice when he learned that a debt deal had been reached.
Robert, who considers himself an independent voter, said he would have been far more disappointed had leaders “kicked the can down the road for six months,“ but nevertheless said ”I’m not impressed” with the long process that led to the deal.
“I don’t think it has to be that way,” Robert said.
But Nancy Curry, 76, a patron at Manuel’s Tavern in Atlanta, believed that stretched-out standoffs are simply the norm in the nation’s current political circumstances.
“I think anything nowadays is going to be just like this was,” she said.
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Comments (205)
hauschild
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:33am“but allowed the country to avoid a first-ever debt default”
How much longer do we have to put up with untruthful journalism??? How can anybody in their right mind know for a fact that a default would never occur, choose to ignore this and instead willfully mislead their readers??? Do they hate this country THAT much???
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:54amYou’re high or a misleading troll from ThinkProgress or other site.
The problem is not the debt limit.
That is a symptom.
The problem is the debt load. How much of a debt load can a person, a household, a corporation or a country carry and still function? At some point a tipping point is reached.
Please answer this Hauschild:
Report Post »How much of a debt load can a person, a household, a corporation or a country carry and still function?
chazman
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:02am… the federal government has become the enemy of the American people. How does that make you feel, having been sold down the river? Just askin’ …
Report Post »Steve
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:08amGoes along with the BS this country swallowed about stimulus and all the jobs it created and saved. and if they didn’t spend all those billions this country would have gone under. All BS.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:11am@Walkabout
Isn’t Hauschild arguing against there being a default? Seems that way to me making Hauschild correct. Default would not have happened. Knowing that default wouldn’t happen why would they continue to mislead the readers here is what I gathered.
You are correct as well. We can only carry so much debt. Thus the reason for the debt limit. We raise the debt limit on average every 9.9 months. Insanity is what it’s called. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Washington is officially insane!
Report Post »AnnMarie
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:15amThis is a step to the many tiers of steps that will need to be placed to get this country back on track. Now the people need to stay informed, stay in focus on the future of this country, and be active in how this all moves forward. I am particularly interested in knowing how the politicians who spent 2 plus years on the health bill that this country cannot afford instead of the focusing on the economy, jobs and the deficit feel about spending that time the way they did. I also think that if the taxes are to be fair, and lets face it, there will be a tax increase, that the taxes are for everyone including those who pay nothing now. I also think that those who have assets of 1 million plus, or receive a pension of 100,000 or more a year should not be collecting social security and should be paying more for their Medicare. If the politicians take the politics out of their decisions there can be realistic and fair decisions made to reduce the spending, waste and fraud.
Report Post »UncleBuck
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:48amWhen you bob a dog‘s tail you don’t cut off joint by joint, you cut all off at once. We need to end deficit spending now! What we’ve done is give Obama another blank check to spend us into oblivion and place all of the burden on the next president or the next or the next. What are they thinking in congress? It is time to rescind the power to tax the American people and remove the budgetary control from Congress. The states should have the right to decide which parts of the federal budget will be funded. That’ll stop the pork!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:31am@Walkabout
No, I don’t live under a bridge.
I’m simply tired of hearing 95% of journalists and commentators parrot a flat-out lie. In all actuality, America was NEVER going to default on its debt payments.
Which also gets a guy to thinking, why are America’s bonds somehow immune from investment risk??? Don’t ALL investments assume an amount of risk? What’s say we wipe the slate clean now and start over? Who’s not going to ever lend us money again considering the amount of goods we consume??? They’d still line up to give us money. This reasoning should be right up a liberal/progressive/communist/Marxist/fascist’s alley.
Report Post »jjoy
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 11:01am@chazman…
Sad, but true, chaz…
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 11:49am@Hauschild
“What’s say we wipe the slate clean now and start over? ”
I believe that is the next step… The U.S. and E.U. will start talking about debt forgiveness, not just between us but for every country in the world… When those talks happen it will cause a lot of turmoil between nations…
Report Post »AZfreeman
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 12:20pmYou know what they say about opinions…everybody’s got one! But let’s look at the indicators as they stand right now (9;17am PST).
(MarketWatch) — “Treasury prices turned up Monday, pushing 10-year yields to their lowest levels since November…”
(Kitco)— Gold $1,630.70 up about $15 this morning.
(TD Ameritrade) — Dow 12,016.39 ….down 126.85
This whole debt limit increase and out-of-control spending smelt of elderberries!!! But, I’m a “gold bull” so we can all watch the country go to hell and take care of number one. Isn’t that what life in America is all about these days? (sarcasm) …rf
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 3:39pmAt least with Bubba and “W” we had an idea what was going on…
Report Post »But with this Admin. we have been LIED to soooo much, HUH ??
Had a Job when “W” was in office.. What happened ? Went down
so fast last year, still trying to figure it out, nobody knows………..
Voted for Obama in 08, People say He need’s more time, I don’t
like being LIED to.. Oh,Yea ! I like the Gas and FOOD prices too !!
More Time for what ??????? $ 7.00 a gal. Gas.. NOBAMA-2012.
avenger
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:02pmof course..Obama.
Report Post »notmeatglennbeckdotcom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:30amAm I happy? Less than $900 billion in cuts over 10 years. I heard this morning that actual immediate cuts will be $30-40 Billion this year. We spend that amount everyday and the debt goes up nearly $4B per day.
Anything this bill is proposed to do is just what everyone said they were going to avoid.
The TEA Party people are the ONLY responsible legislators in this country, and even some of them caved. Every last member of Congress who votes for this bill needs to go — period.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:37amI heard Krauthammer saying the republicans won big and that we take this win now, beat Obama in 2012 and then take back the senate (like this is a routine procedure and it’s only a matter of time and letting things run its course) and THEN republicans can do what they want.
The problem is, things never quite work so easily in the real world, or to be more specific, that conservative world. Every day is a battle against dead beats and Marxists enabling them. There‘s no friggin’ way that after what I’ve seen this past week that will I necessarily buy into the premise that Obama is certain to go down to defeat, or that republicans will “do what we want” if the stars align and we get all three branches back.
I still think things need to get worse to get more fence-sitters off their asses.
Report Post »ginger100
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:38amThey were shown the bunker with all the food and the UN planned world after they wipe us out
Report Post »fatjack
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:08amKrauthammer Is a RINO.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 11:54amThe yearly deficit is approximately 1.5 trillion… That means that this country spends approximately 4 trillion per year (4 trillion – 2.5 trillion revenue = 1.5 trillion deficit)… This bill cuts 900 billion over 10 years or in other words, approximately 90 billion per year… Even with this bill, taxing every millionaire / billionaire 100%, and ending all foreign wars, we still would not reduce the deficit to 0… As long as there is a yearly deficit we will continue to add to the national debt…
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 3:53pm@ Obama_Sham
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 11:54am
The yearly deficit is approximately 1.5 trillion… That means that this country spends approximately 4 trillion per year (4 trillion – 2.5 trillion revenue = 1.5 trillion deficit)…
Think Bama and Congress need a course in Basic Math…WTF !!
Report Post »freedomofspeech
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:29amsigh, this is not going to do a damn bit of good. What I hear out in public is it is the Republicans holding out for a deal and poor ole Obama just an inocent black man oppressed by the big white evil corporations. sigh.
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:47amI know, the newest liberal “talking point” is that this is manufactured crises created by Republicans in order to hurt Obama. And unfortunately some people are buying that crap. The only manufactured crises here was the Dems not putting out a budget for over 2 years and letting the situation come to this in the 1st place!!! We did not create the crises we’re trying to avoid the one THEY are creating!
Report Post »usnconstitution
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:26amthey need to cut the 2 trillion a year
Report Post »Topcat
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:33amThe one cent solution ..
The One Cent Solution is simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending each year for six years, we can:
Balance the budget by 2019.
Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
Reduce the debt $3.4 trillion over 10 years.
The One Cent Solution envisions that while all areas of federal spending should be considered, some programs may be too critical to cut deeply. In that case, other programs must be reduced more so that the total amount cut is equal to one cent for every dollar each year for six years
http://www.onecentsolution.org/the-one-cent-solution/
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:39amSenator Marco Rubio said it all!
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:51amThe one cent solution is the ONLY way we will balance our budget.
Report Post »dthomps6
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:59amThey need to eliminate whole departments and slash the military in half. Then, make it almost impossible for the federal government to enforce any environment regulation.
Report Post »ginger100
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:24amI smell UN Agenda 21. The Governor of the United States, Barrack Obama.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:21amThe Federal Government’s Baseline Budgeting is a FRAUD.
Use baseline budgeting for you job as an union negotiator or as an employee.
1. Suppose you make $1,000.
2. Negotiate with your boss for next’s years salary/wage.
3. You assume an increase of 8% to 10%.
4. The boss offers a 3% wage increase. He points out that inflation is 2%. So not only are you keeping pace with inflation but you’re gaining purchasing power.
5. You tell your boss that that is a 7% cut (baseline – bosses proposal; 10% – 3% = 7%).
6. You then go to the local media, a very sympathetic, supine, media, and tell the whole world that your boss is a monster because he is cutting your wages 7%.
That is analogous to what the Democrat party has been doing and it has hellishly putting though this media castigation again and again.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:25amIf you look at Beohner’s presentation on this it talks about a Committee that will decide what cuts to make in entitlements.
Committee = partisan hacks schooled in fantasy accounting.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:35amIt seems that you have had the pleasure of sitting through contract negotiations. I have heard this many times in my work.
Additonally, I seem to remember a commission put together to reduce the deficit and no one liked what they presented. So now we get another commission. I bet the Democrates and the RINO’s will love the results of this commission.
I am not so pessimistic that I don‘t believe we can’t win the control of the executive and legislative branchs of government in 2012.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:19amNo. I will lobby against any congressman or senator who voted for this debt extension.
Report Post »Topcat
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:18amWhether this is a good deal or a bad deal , It has all been a distraction .
Report Post »We the People must never forget that it has been the Democrats in both the House and Senate starting in Bush’s Presidency , that has spent over 5 Trillion Dollars and created the housing crisis , causing our present financial condition. Even if you feel the housing crisis was caused by Wall Street , you cant dispute the fact that the Democrat Policies set the stage , that Wall Street took advantage of. Personally I blame Washington , Wall Street does what Wall Street does , as a trader I have gotten to expect that.
This entire drama over the debt ceiling need never have occurred if, We The People had not been asleep for the last 40 years , leaving the operation , decision making ,of our Government to a bunch of guys that most have not even held a real job. A life career in Public Service does not equate with the real world and everyday trials of the average working stiff. Remember in 2012 we need to finish the job of removing those responsible for putting our children in this position..
ginger100
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:35amOur children will be living in high rise settlements reservations working downstairs in a self sustaining utopian farm field. We’ll of coarse be dead
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:37amDoes anyone else feel like we’re in a row boat going against the current? Hope all those who voted for Obama realize what they’ve done to us. Even they are in a world of hurt letting this man have the reins to destroy our Country, while they think it means they will get more free money for every thing, when what they really need is a little Pride in themselves to stand on their own 2 feet and stop feeding at the trough. Help those who need help, not the ones who can work. Kick out the illegals we feed, clothe, school, have free medical, housing etc, and pay no taxes to share burden.
Report Post »willbedone
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:15amI feel like an attendee to a well orchestrated concert. All of the musicians were well trained, tuned and have been rehearsing this song for the last few months.
If we don’t want to listen to this same song and dance music again we will have to get another band. This time we need to leave out the brass and fiddle section.
Report Post »Red Bubba
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:23amWell said.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:02amBrass and fiddle section, LOL. That leaves out McCain, McConnell, Boehner, Reid, Pelosi, and all their cohorts.
Report Post »RushEcho2
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:02amGood one .!. . . . . . . . Time to pray !
Report Post »fatjack
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:23amI agree, the one world government is in Washington DC not over seas.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 4:21pmVery interesting observation the last few weeks, No one had
Report Post »a problem blaming the GOP for “The Crisis”…Not a word about
Speaker Pelosi’s 110th and 111th Congress spending spree..
and not doing a Budget for over 2 YEARS, does she have
Bama by the balls with those hands she usually has flailing
all over the place ?? This woman should be hung,drawn and
quartered….
Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:00amAfter the debate, Dems said they had Reaganomics on their side.
Art Laffer, Reagan’s money man, disagrees. He said this morning on Fox and Friends:
~I think Reagan would have been in the Tea Party. He was very much for balancing the budget, cutting taxes, creating growth and deregulating the economy.
Cass Sunstein:
~Obama passed bad legislation. There is no recovery in sight and I don’t think there will be one.
Government spending:
~Government spending doesn’t create jobs, it costs jobs.
Keynesian economics:
~Have you ever heard of a poor man spending himself into prosperity? That’s ridiculous!
~If you have 2 farms and 1 collects unemployment. Who do you think pays for them?
~You can’t balance the budget on the backs of the poor.
Reaganomics is on the Tea Party’s side! It‘s on the Libertarians’ side, not the Progressives. That should be blatantly obvious.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:12amReaganomics was a complete failure. After Reagans tax cuts unemployment soared to the highest levels seen in decades. Only after he raised taxes (11 times in his 8 years) did the economy start to recover.
Report Post »You wonder why most Americans think you’re stupid? Well it’s because every time you blazers open your mouth, you prove it!!!!! Now drop to your knees and pray to your mythical creator for some intelligents.
sWampy
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 11:41amJesus how do you moron liberals live with yourselves, take the facts, reverse them, and spew the **** back out as fact. Regan lead the the greatest economic good times the nation has ever had, the only time in our history the market actually kept up with inflation. Unemployment plummeted, the number of poor decreased, and the middle class exploded.
Report Post »Vietvet1
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:56amFolks, it isn’t the party…it is the process. When you give billions, no trillions to the members of our Government, they will jump a-hole over elbow to find a way to spend it. I worked for Government agencies who, on upcoming financial reports have found that they did NOT need to spend all of their funds. Did they give BACK the excess? NO WAY. They have the inbred attitude… “Spend it all or lose similar funding next year.” So they by crap they don’t need or put into stupid programs they just invented. There is no incentive to save anything. The Crux of this Biscuit is…”You can’t spend $2 if you have only $1. Borrowing makes it worse, because….. You cannot afford the payment.. Even if you just pay the interest…. you are still losing and the principal is still staring at you. People, this is Economics 101. We have to clean up our spending. Even my Greek Immigrant Father knew that when he did our household budget…and he came here on a boat to Ellis Islandin 1916 with $14 in his pocket, a dream and a 3rd grade education.
Report Post »Arminius23
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:33amThat‘s it’s always been if a government agency does not spend their budget the next fiscal year will result in getting only what they spent the year prior. Cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen military units buy the dumbest stuff before the end of the fiscal year to keep their allotment. Unless this country goes into reverse and stops spending more than it receives we will be finished. Anyone who doesn‘t think it can’t happen obviously has forgotten how we brought down the Bear. Countries can collapse.
Report Post »Coralchristie
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:53amAnother crappy deal for the country!
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:44amThis is ridiculous. Obama gets $2.7 trillion to be spent on Obamacare and indirectly on his campaign… and what do the Repubs get? The Repubs get real spending cuts in defense, no Washington cuts, $7 trillion in new additional Washington spending over the next decade, mountains of new debt for the future, certain downgrade from AAA to AA on our dollar, and no chance of a balanced budget amendment for the future unless the Dems want it, which they don’t. Any cuts in spending after next year are only worthless pie in the sky. Please keep in mind that any Medicare cuts will not be for the good and therefore will not happen. In the end, get ready to watch more shrimp on treadmills and we will get to know much more about the very important study of prostitutes in China. Any Repub who would votes for this worthless monstrosity must be primaried out of office.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:41amNice, isn’t it???
But, just remember – the republicans won.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:57amAt Nick Derringer
Nice turn of phrase “Committee = partisan hacks schooled in fantasy accounting.”
That is what the I heard on the radio. The committees would be filled by people like Pelosi. Except you said it better.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:05amEarth to Hausechild, the Republicans won the House of Representatives. They won a battle. The enemy retreated in good order and are still holding the Senate and the Presidency. As such the Democrats are still holding America hostage.
I’ll say that the Democrats are holding America hostage. I heard the news clips of many elected Democrat politicians and party strategists say that the Tea Party was holding America Hostage.
Is Hauschild saying that if you win the House then your responsible for all legislation even though you don’t have control of the Presidency or the Senate.
Such disingenuous reasoning by you would not endear you to people outside your cligue IRL.
Report Post »designbyinspiration
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:42amReduced increases (still increasing debt).
sequestered (protected) obamacare funding.
No staving off credit rating decline.
yet another committee for obfuscation and ignoring.
Delaying the same issue AGAIN.
Can anyone please tell me how this a good thing for our country at all?
Time to get more Patriots into office!!!
Report Post »TEA!
old white guy
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:47amso they had a chance to cut and save but did business as usual. it would seem that no one actually knows how to subtract in the government. must be new math.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:32amBesides a few Republicans (Rubio,West,Demint, etc.) we truly have worthless people representing us. If the Republicans do not start shouting that the Democrats only want to tax and spend, we have no chance to regain our Republic. How dare they say the Tea Party doesn’t know how to govern. How dare they!!!!! Look at the stupid fools governing us now. Do they know how to govern???? Obama is a joke of a president h— bent on destroying our country. Wake up Liberals. Do you really know what is going on?
Report Post »Arminius23
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:51amWe can only blame ourselves that we didn’t get enough fire power into the house or Senate to Lame Duck Obama. ObamaCare needs to be repealed. My advice personally is anyone 40 and under needs to set up a personal retirement plan because in 20-30 years Social Security needs to be cut too. We need a flat tax and more government responsibilities turned over to the States. When was it a principle to punish those that are successful? I’m surprised they have put up with it this long. Slick William sold us to the Chinese and killed our manufacturing. The giant retailers are finishing off everyone else. We float on service and tech now; meaning all we have is our reputation. Our schools compared to other nations suck because we do not require higher standards and the children grow up to think everyone owes them something. Schools need to teach people how to succeed and how to fail. This world is unforgiving and they need to understand that. If you want to die in the gutter as a drunk you only have yourself to blame. Don’t expect SuperObama to pick my pocket to pay your lazy way.
Report Post »Spaceboy
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:42amI can stand this cut over 10 years deal…there needs to be cuts now.
Report Post »Viking64
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:41amIf people would have voted a little smarter in the last mid term elections, Reid would have been gone and the liberals control of the Senate also. This deal is just a legal way to raise the national debt again, Obama will continue to destroy the USA economy until hopefully he is voted out in 2012, if we still have a economy to save then? The liberal Senate was able to make this poor compromise possible , debt will keep grow! Our whole country is split between good and evil, and evil won out!
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:41amThere, fixed it for ya.
“It sucks..
ANY capitulation to the ignorant lazy, sponging-off-the-system liberal d b ags is another nail in the coffin of our country.
Thankfully, the debt ceiling WAS NOT a STANDALONE bill unconnected to all the other flotsam and jetsam added to it, which would have given the Chosen One the largest blank check in recorded history.
Luckily, the electorate has had a good look at these idiots and we can count on the fact that ALL of them will be relegated back into the sewers that they crawled out of.”
Report Post »designbyinspiration
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:48amSomehow I like your rewrite a whole lot more…..
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:54amWhy, thank you very much! Someone had to point out the glaring errors in what the other poster had to say. :)
Report Post »cowpill
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:36amOver 100 billion in foreign aid………… not cut.
Report Post »Miami
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:39amGreat point
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:54amThat should have been the first thing cut, CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. Rubio SO Called this right they planned the whole dog and pony show, Absolute Garbage!! WEST/RUBIO 2012
Report Post »Red Bubba
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:27amWest has hopped on the conventional wisdom, we-don’t-dare-fix-what-is-broken short bus.
Report Post »fatjack
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:34amcowpill
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:36am
Over 100 billion in foreign aid………… not cut.
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The one world government can cut foreign aid.
fatjack
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:35amcowpill
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:36am
Over 100 billion in foreign aid………… not cut.
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The one world government can’t cut foreign aid.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:35am.
So, is Anyone Actually Happy With the Debt Deal?
Oh I’m happy like a baby Harp Seal waiting on the beach for the guy to come over and beat me to death. What is wrong with these people? Is this the best we have? The whole bunch dem & rep are nothing but Turd Tumblers (small beetle that plays w/ poo poo) they solved nothing.
Report Post »psst
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:40amSpank said:The whole bunch dem & rep are nothing but Turd Tumblers (small beetle that plays w/ poo poo) they solved nothing..
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Um, They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do.(getting paid to do) Nothing.
For the NWO/OWG /Global Governance to take effect, the US must first be destroyed.US have been the fly in the ointment.The fly is being removed.
This is the very reason the country have been dumbed down.
The marxist took over the publiK sKrools in the guise of the NEA. The radicals of the 60′s took over the universities, posing as profs.
The majority of the sheeples thinks the government is looking out for them.
As the government builds their fortress prisons, the sheeples thinks those are condos being built for them.
Miami
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:34amNo
Report Post »Miami
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:38amBecause it does not fix the problem just kicks it down the road and lets Obama off the hook till after the election.
Report Post »yeah I got an itch
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:33am“Glass Debt Ceiling”? It apparently was not a ceiling at 2 trillion, 5 trillion, 7.5 trillion, 10 trillion……
Report Post »JesusChristAlmighty
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:32amIt sucks..
ANY capitulation to the ignorant baggers is another nail in the coffin of our country.
The debt ceiling should have been a STANDALONE bill unconnected to all the other flotsam and jetsam added to it.
Luckily, the electorate has had a good look at these idiots and we can count on the fact that ALL of them will be relegated back into the sewers that they crawled out of.
tifosa
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:56amBob Scheiffer said it best: allowing House freshmen “‘to control this debate’” is “‘like letting the teenager in the family run the family budget.”
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:57amWe can tell by the content of your post who the IGNORANT one is here! Just the fact that you think OBAMA should have had the abitlity to raise our debt ceiling 4 TRILLION dollars without even considering cuts, proves that. Let me give all you IGNORANT liberals a little lesson (1min 18secs )about the number ONE TRILLION, then picture our debt at over 18 TRILLIION by the end of 2012! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4-4bvuX7qA&feature=related Totally irresponsible and that is OUR HARD EARNED money, NOT THEIRS. Anyone who doesn’t care about this much waste, isn’t paying taxes.
Report Post »USAFFELPMAN
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:03amYou advocated a stand alone bill – OK – What if it fails to pass
This economic and social just program pushed by Democrats is not only bankrupting us, it is not moral and it doesn’t even fall under the christian tenet of Charity.
What our generation is in danger of forgetting is not only that morals are of necessity a phenomenon of individual conduct but also that they can exist only in the sphere in which the individual is free to decide for himself and is called upon voluntarily to sacrifice personal advantage to the the observance of a moral rule. Economic and Social justice takes the free choice out of it.
Outside the sphere of individual responsibility there is neither goodness nor badness, neither opportunity for moral merit nor the chance of proving one‘s conviction by sacrificing one’s desires to what one thinks right. Only where we ourselves are responsible for our own interests and are free to sacrifice them has our decision moral value. We are neither entitled to be unselfish at someone else’s expense nor is there any merit in being unselfish if we have no choice. The members of a society who in all respects are made to do the good thing have no title to praise. (Hayek)
The Christian tenet of charity is that it is to be given freely, cheerfully and in private. Social and Economic Justice laws violate all 3.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:04am@Tifosa
Art Laffer, Reagan’s, money man, would say you couldn’t be more wrong.
He said that he believes that Reagan would be in the Tea Party. Try arguing with the man who helped Reagan to boom the economy 30 years ago.
You’re always wrong. It’s safe to say, I could read all your posts and go the opposite way and the economy would boom.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:11am@Shiroi Raion, why bother arguing with Tinkerbell? She’s one of the lazy, ignorant, sponging-off-the-system d b ag liberals whom Obummer is relying on to reelect his sorry butt. And cut her a little slack. She‘s posting from the county library’s computer while she waits for her check to come in the mail as well as for the FBI to return her hard drive. (Just don‘t tell her probation officer that she’s well within 1000 yards of where children gather.)
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:24amhhmm, shiroi, Reagan advocated saving Social Security, raised taxes, granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, in ‘67, as gov. he signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act into law (yeh, yeh, yeh, I know, there’s lots of attempt to walk back from those now. However, the rigid ideologues would just overlook that record?)
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:26amHey Tink… “”"yeh, yeh, yeh, I know, there’s lots of attempt to walk back from those now. However, the rigid ideologues would just overlook that record?”"”
Report Post »YOUR liberal RIGID IDEOLOGUE reps must be feeling PRETTY FULL these days, since THEY are the ones EATING A LOT OF THEIR OWN WORDS LATELY? (in case you haven’t been paying attention)
flipper1073
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:32amYou got wrong TIF it was the TEA Party Freshman who were trying to be responsible.
Report Post »The Progressives in both Parties can‘t or won’t control spending.
The_Postal
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:31amI like that nothing is working out like either of them like. “Business as usual” is a lot harder with a larger portion of Americans awake to their crap. It’s still crap, but at least they hate it as much as we do.
Report Post »yeah I got an itch
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:30amWhat a ridiculous joke on the American people. I am actually offended. NOW, I will strictly vote Libertarian. No more GOP exceptions.
CHARACTER: Doing the right thing, because it’s the right thing. Even when no one is looking.
Report Post »kurtnut
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:09amI hear you, but that most likely ends up putting progressives in office.
Report Post »NJTMATO
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:03amI’m right there with you! And @Kurtnut….I’m not so sure anymore if that will put progressives in office…a while back, I would definitely agree with you…HOWEVER, I am truly of the opinion that a LOT of people are paying a good deal of attention now and we still have more than a year to go before election….I’d like there NOT to be three parties….but if that’s what happens, that’s what happens. Wouldn’t it be fun to have Bachmann, Rubio, Paul (Sec. of Treas) West (DOD head) I like to dream about a whole administration and cabinet…helps to keep my spirits up with all the stupidity going on in DC
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:32amlibertarians are liberals…if you want a real conservative, vote constitution party…
Report Post »uncleherbert
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:28amI stand with Senator Rand Paul. A true libertarian!
Report Post »yeah I got an itch
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 10:40amtheir both progressives
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:20amI find some solace in the fact that Obama is not happy with it.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 7:34amAnd that the far left will abandon him at election time.
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:17amHell yes we will.
What am I saying, as long as Bachmann isn’t elected.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 8:40amAnd hopefully the clueless moderates will abandon the idiot in chief. Anybody but Barry in 12.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:21amDems walking into the voting booth with a choice Romney or Huntsman vs Obama will vote Obama. And if it’s anybody further right, (Bachmann, Perry, etc,) that seals Obama’s second term.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 9:31am@liberalmarine…if bachmann isn’t running and its some squish like romney, I will vote third party. why vote for socialist lite?
and how many decades of total failure does socialism have to have before you get a clue and figure out ‘liberalism’ doesn’t work?
Report Post »Steel Awesome
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 3:17pmObama may want you to think he’s not happy with the deal, but in fact he is. The deal doesn’t do squat about the long-term debt and leads us one step closer to financial disaster and the one-world government solution.
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