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So, Why Is a ‘Church-State Separation’ Group Asking the IRS to Investigate Pastor Jeffress?

Pastor Jeffress Will Be Investigated By the IRS, Americans UnitedIt’s been a rough few weeks for Pastor Robert Jeffress, who caught major heat after he said that GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney is in a cult, because he is a Mormon (he subsequently defended this inflammatory statement).

Now, Jeffress is in for a new challenge, as Americans United for the Separation of Church and State (AUSCS) is asking the Internal Revenue Service to investigate him.

The group sent a letter to the IRS encouraging the federal government to investigate whether Jeffress and his house of worship, Dallas-based First Baptist Church, violated federal law by posting a video clip of his Rick Perry endorsement on the church’s web site. According to DallasNews.com:

First Baptist Church in Dallas has a clip of Jeffress’ appearance on the MSNBC show Hardball with Chris Matthews…Federal law allows pastors to personally endorse political candidates but the church itself can’t be involved in supporting any particular candidate for office.

The clip, which is posted on Jeffress’ YouTube Page, is prefaced on First Baptist Church’s web site with the following words:

On MSNBC’s popular program, “Hardball,” Dr. Jeffress spoke with host Chris Matthews about personally endorsing Rick Perry, why we should prefer Mitt Romney to Barack Obama, and his recent comments regarding Mormonism.

Another video that covers political subject matter is also present on the church’s site. The description that introduces this video reads, “Watch Dr. Jeffress speak about his personal convictions regarding the 2012 presidential election”:

It seems Jeffress has given the AUSCS ammunition to target an evangelical church that dares to challenge current IRS regulations. The timing of this drama is intriguing.

As we previously reported, on October 2, pastors from around the country came together for “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” an event during which they preached sermons that examined political candidates’ stances on important issues of the day (a purposeful violation of the IRS’s Johnson Amendment).

Rather than going after these faith leaders, the AUSCS (the group’s communication director referred to the event as “Pulpit Perversion Sunday”) now has a more specific target in Jeffress. While it is not confirmed that this is, indeed, the reasoning behind the organization’s angst, the close timeliness of the complaint to “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” does raise suspicions.

Following the emergence of the MSNBC video on the church’s site, AUSCS sent a letter to the IRS asking the federal agency to look into the potential violation. A press release on the group’s web site reads:

Americans United says Pastor Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Church has run afoul of federal tax law. AU notes that Jeffress has the right to offer a personal endorsement of Perry but that he may not put these endorsements on his tax-exempt church’s website.

“Pastor Jeffress is trying to do an end-run around the law,” explained Barry Lynn, who serves as the executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. “The IRS should put a stop to it.”

(H/T: Dallas News)

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  • PoliticalJunkieToo
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:08pm

    Why is Media Matter STILL TAX EXEMPT?

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    • CottonMPG
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:30am

      Good question. I see from the comments that a lot of the people that disagree with the pastor’s comment are hypocritical, as well as illogical. You say we shouldn’t judge, when we are required to, using the Bible to see what is true and correct. We must judge actions and words according to scripture. While you judge this man’s heart. You shouldn‘t be judging a man’s heart only God knows the heart. You are calling him a bigot and a jerk because you don‘t like the fact that after studying the Bible and the beliefs of Mormonism he sees they can’t both be correct. He believes the Bible and so states that Mormonism is not Christian. Whether you agree or not it is an honest conclusion based on facts. Why are you calling him a liar? If you don’t believe the Bible because you see it as incomplete, contrived, or added to or subtracted from you will see in the end that you are wrong when you are judged by Jesus. Unless of course you are right. Don’t hate this man. Look at the evidence and decide for yourself, but be sure, because the stakes don’t get any higher.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 6:11am

      After decades of investigation, I have found out that Mormans believe that the inventor of the cult is a prophet and had face to face relations with an angel[ some of the more radical viewpoints think the creature was an exterrestrial]. The bible explicitly denies both of these as possible.

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    • The Realist
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:23am

      ADD TO OR TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM THE BIBLE! PERIOD! No “Book of Mormon” opr any other supplementary books are needed nor should be used!

      Does the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 apply to the entire Bible or just the Book of Revelation?
      http://www.gotquestions.org/Revelation-22-18-19.html

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    • NexusRex
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 9:51am

      @COTTONMPG – You fail to recognize that the Christian Trinity did not come from the Bible. If you hand the Bible to anybody unfamiliar with it, have them read it, then ask if God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all one, they would say “NO!” 100% of the time.

      The Trinity was created by man over time in the Nicene Creed and the Athanasius Creed. It was very unpopular at first, and had to be decreed and then violently enforced to stop the people’s tendency to use common sense when reading such passages as:

      “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.“ ”John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
      “John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.”
      “Matthew 27:46 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
      “Matthew 26:39 O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
      …and tons more.

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    • agameofthrones
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 11:24am

      I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I think that all people of all denominations who profess to believe in Christ and call themselves Christians should be a lot more supportive and loving towards others who may have doctrinal differences. God loves all his children and those who love Him are doing their best to show that love in the way their hearts tell them to. Instead of letting these things divide us, why not just accept that there are differences but love the people anyway. It’s what Jesus Christ himself commanded of us. “Love one another as I have loved you.” God will be the final judge of all hearts.

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    • thecrazypastor
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 11:30am

      Anyone who studies the Bible carefully runs smack into the idea of the Trinity. No way around it. So yes, hand a Bible to someone and let them actually study it, and they’ll understand the concept is there. Whether they agree with it or not is a different matter. Technically the Mormon Church is an unorthodox version of Christianity. The Trinity for instance, has been an orthodox belief for at least 1700 years, and many would argue for even longer. The Mormon Church also has produced and uses different Scriptures, teaches a different basis for salvation than Scriptures (not the only church to do that), and teaches a different view of who Jesus is and was. It should not be surprising that many in orthodox Christianity do not accept Mormonism as “Christian.” Doesn’t matter anyway. The question really is: Is Mormonism correct? –much more important to consider THAT.

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    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:42pm

      “Add to or take away”

      The bible is a collection of books. It comes form the greek word biblia. That was written in deuteronomy so I guess the new testament is irrelevant. You better go back to your preacher for more ammunition against the mormons. What a winner.

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    • NexusRex
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:50pm

      If you study the Bible closely you’ll find it foretells of an apostasy, another flock, and of the restoration of Christ’s Church.

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    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:05pm

      Okay now that we have discredited the Mormons lets jump on the Jehovah Witnesses. How about the Seventh day Adventists! Anybody? Bigotry, anyone want to join? Lets tear down as many religions as we can in the name of Christ. Wouldn’t that be exciting. Thats what Jesus wants he told my pastor.

       
    • thecrazypastor
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 3:43pm

      Oh c’mon, be strong now. Debating the merits of anything does not equal bigotry. For instance, using one phrase by Jesus which most plainly referred to non-Jewish people (who later received the Gospel and became Christian), and then claiming he was speaking of Mormons is a stretch. It is. How do you know he wasn’t also speaking of the Jehovah Witnesses? Or the David Koresh people? Anyone can make that claim. And there’s nothing bigoted about saying that because we are debating accuracy and correctness of a belief, not the worth of a person. There’s nothing bigoted about arguing the apostasy referenced in II Thessalonians, or the great falling away, actually includes the Mormon Church as part of the apostasy. (I’m just saying that as an example. I don’t believe the Mormons are part of the “apostasy.” ) Catholics might say the Protestant Reformation was an apostasy. They did back in the day! lol

      My point is, look, eternity is coming for everyone. Don’t be afraid to have your beliefs challenged. Don’t shout people down with name-calling because they make you feel uncomfortable. Be stronger than that. Just make sure you know what you believe and why. You only get one shot at this.

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    • thecrazypastor
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 3:56pm

      The problem the pastor in the story has is he called the Mormon church a cult and while that might be technically true according to the definition of the word, the word “cult” has a lot of negative baggage and association with it. In my opinion, as Christian pastor of an evangelical church, it comes across as name-calling and doesn’t help anything. Labels don’t mean anything in regards to heaven or hell and he should know that. We should keep our criticism to specific beliefs and debate over doctrine, but NOT simply paint everyone with a broad name-calling brush. Besides, from a political perspective, the Mormon Church preaches values that would be wonderful to have in office.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:39pm

      [The Realist
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:23am
      ADD TO OR TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM THE BIBLE! PERIOD! No “Book of Mormon” opr any other supplementary books are needed nor should be used! Does the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 apply to the entire Bible or just the Book of Revelation?]

      You have posed that stupidity of yours more than once and gotten wise logical answers to it which you hard-headily refuse to listen to.

      The general concept was first given in the book of Deuteronomy, the second book of Moses found in the old testament. If we take your interpretation, as stupid as it is, that means that any book after Deuteronomy should be thrown out, leaving just Genesis and Deuteronomy to read. Of course, using your rule, that means no New Testament either.

      However, the correct understanding is that when God speaks, and delivers a message, you are not allowed to add to or take away from that specific message, whatever it may be, whenever it was given, or wherever it is contained.

      So likelwise, nobody is supposed to add to or take away from the Book of Mormon, if indeed that work was one of his messages.

      And if God gives us a new book a thousand years from now, then that book is not supposed to be added to or taken away from.

      This is not that difficult of a concept folks. Grow some brains. Quit thinking with your behinds.

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    • SalmaHayekIsGOD
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 4:58am

      Why are churches still exempt? Most of them operate like big business and should be taxed like them.

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    • ILRobb
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 9:18am

      Crazy, the scriptures says , “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” The problem with using the gentiles in this explanation is that the gentiles never heard his voice. The apostles taught them. Jesus only appeared to the Jews even after his death.

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    • ILRobb
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 9:28am

      Crazy, as to your last post I agree with you that having your beliefs challenged is a good thing. I served a mission and it was the best thing I could have done. I found my beliefs challenged everyday and because of that my testimony flourished.

      There is a difference though when discussion of differences leaves the arena of good faith and enters the realm of bigotry. I believe Pastor Jeffres crossed that line and I also believe he did so either in full confidence of or at least expectation of the Perry campaign. They are sinking in the polls, they know they can’t defeat Romney in debate. They know they can’t overtly criticize his faith so they bring out their surrogate Pastor who will do it for them. If it doesn’t go over well then they can distance themselves from his remarks and still have it out there. The problem is this isn’t 1952, the electorate is more informed and not reliant on a few media outlets to tell them what to think. The American people look at this garbage and see it for what it is, pure, unadulterated bigotry. Mormon bigotry is one of the few types that is still okay in our society. Considering it is a growing faith that is already the 4th largest in the country, I would think the Republican party would want to welcome them with open arms.

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  • DaveOregon
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:00pm

    I frick-n am tired of Evangical Preachers! I don’t care what you think – what you believe. Stay out of my life!

     
    • Kaoscontrol
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:42pm

      When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one who barks loudest is the one who got hit. You‘re barkin’ pretty loud there, Dave. God must be working on you…

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    • texasken
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:46pm

      …and how, exactly, is he “in your life”? Is he coming to your house and shackling you to a chair while he tells you what he thinks about various things?

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:14pm

      You’re note the only one. Those who are not “Evangelical” see this guy as appointing himself God to determine if you believe in Jesus or not. He just sunk Perry’s campaign….too bad.

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    • abbygirl1994
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:27pm

      DAVEOREGON: Why do you read it.. no one is forcing you to are they??

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    • CottonMPG
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:55pm

      You don’t have to care what we,”evangelical Christians,” think. You don’t have the right to stop us from voicing our opinions or facts. Why are you so angry? I really don’t like to hear from all of you angry anti-Christ, anti- religion people either. Do you think it is ok for us to shut you up?

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    • gramma b
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:03pm

      Jeffress is a moron, but he should have a right to say what he wants without the IRS coming down on him.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:59pm

      I’m tired of you left wing tolerance gestapo groups. I don’t care what you think nor believe. Just stay out of my life.

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    • GeorgieBaby
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 11:09pm

      COTTONMPG: How does it feel? Evangelical Christians flood these forums with anti-Mormon lies. When there is one person who expresses frustration with the consistent false witnessing by pastors and leaders of people who spread these lies, you get offended!

      Thin skin? Mote and beam, sister. Mote and beam.

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    • CottonMPG
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:05am

      @ Georgiebaby How does what feel? I never said I was offended. I wasn‘t offended by you or the guy that said he doesn’t want to hear the pastor. I am offended on a regular basis and no one ever cares. Anti-Mormon lies? I rarely hear anything about Mormons really. Christians are ridiculed and slandered constantly. We are called anti-science, closed minded, homophobic etc.. We have all these protected groups and religion is one of them but we aren’t protected. Christians are the one religion that is constantly singled out in a negative way. Our people are told not to pray in Jesus name, demonized for stating that Jesus is the only way to God, and told we are stupid and superstitious for believing the Bible. We need to count it all joy that we are worthy to be persecuted for Christ’s sake! I know that God is not mocked. He will repay. Whatsoever is done to the least of us called by His name it is done to him. I don’t want revenge though, I want those who do these evil things to repent in time to avoid punishment. We need to reach those who are confused and lost. Just as the rich are too comfortable to be easily saved from their sin, so too are those who trust in a false hope. There are a lot of people that are convinced they are right with God that are on their way to Hell. Many will say in that day Lord Lord, didn’t we do miracles in your name and will be told by Jesus,”Depart from me. I never knew you.” I know God miraculously preserved His Word in the Bible.

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    • Locked
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 9:45am

      “Oh by the way I’m a Christian.”

      In before someone claims you’re not a “real” Christian and that you better repent before you die and burn in hell ;-)

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 10:05am

      I don’t disagree. One thing is to have an opinion. Anothert thing altogether to air it publicly. If you want to air your opinions publicly on here or like the good pastor – you should be willing to receive the usual scrutiny that comes with airing your opinions publicly. Deal with it.
      To say – no one forces you or if you don’t like it… doesn’t jibe either.
      That would ne akin to sayin….if you don’t like the immorality your child is watching on TV or the porn your teen is watching on the computer flip the channel, turn the page….after all – no one is forcing him.
      Obviously the problem is that it is aired – in the first place.
      Comments like the good pastors should a) not be made altogether (especially if they are incorrect) b) not be made publicly (especially if they are incorrect and design to defame and discredit anyone – in this case a leading GOP nominee – if that is not divisive – what is?) c) if you do make public statements (especially if they are incorrect and design to defame and label leading GOP nominee and with him a whole segment of our conservative citizenry) then expect to be heavily and rightfully scrutinized. Suck it up!
      I think the pastor had the wrong execution of a well intended idea that happens to be incorrect.
      You just have to visit them and hang a little while to see thay are, in fact, Christian.
      The rest is semantics.

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    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:48pm

      Why do all these people bash mormons on a mormon site. The blaze.com comes form Glenn Beck the follower of the giant Mormon Cult. Be careful Christians you might be getting brain washed and you don’t even know it.

       
  • spreadcommonsensenot pc
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:59pm

    Mormonism has “another jesus–another gospel–another spirit”
    The reason WHY I would NEVER vote for Romney isssssss—HES A PROGRESSIVE…….

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:29pm

      Sorry, you are wrong about Romney being a Progressive.

      Here is what makes me mad about people throwing around these accusations… aka Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and sometimes Glenn Beck (I like these guys but they throw this at Romney and are wrong. For example: Rush went off today about how Romney sent his advisers to talk to Obama, 100% false. The MSNBC story, why are we listening to MSNBC, recycled a story from March saying that his advisers had worked with Obama. It was proven false back then. Romney met with the so-called top adviser only once. The real top adviser is Edmund Haislmaier from Heritage Foundation. He wrote an article about the Health Care bill as they wrote it and signed it. Heritage also reports on how the Dems destroyed the bill, in an additional report. They have almost 30 articles written on the bill they designed. Not this liberal health care adviser from MIT that claims to be a top adviser. Rush kept saying Romney sent them or that they were connected to Romney but that is a liberal media lie and no one went back to read the Boston Globe article talking about how these advisers had met once and yet were advisers from the Democrat side who worked on the process, since Romney had to pass it by the democrats. They need to stop poisoning the base. If he wins, he’ll need the support.

      His health care system was based off a free-market model (read the bill), the Democrats ruined it… that has been proven. (Read Heritage’s – Mitts Fit – Google it)

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    • PoliticalJunkieToo
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:44pm

      http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/6634402544/mitt-romney-is-a-liberal-part-2-romney-appointed

      2) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY appointed ONLY Liberal Judges to the bench including GAY liberal judges. Just like Barack Obama appointed ONLY LIBERAL judges to the bench including gays like Kagan.

      Do you want PRESIDENT ROMNEY to appoint ANOTHER LIBERAL Supreme Court Jutices like Kagan.

      2) ROMNEYCARE is LIBERAL – PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORCES you to buy government health CARE just like Obama Care.

      Romney is as PROGRESSIVE as Obama. There is NO WAY IN HELL I am voting for him.

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    • GeorgieBaby
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:09pm

      Agreed, Mad_Hatter. I had a long road trip today and had to turn off Beck and Rush because I felt them to be dishonest. They were spinning the stories as “Romney’s advisors.” Well, they were advisors at the time that Romney worked on the Mass. health care law. They are not his current advisors. Both Beck and Rush always complain about how mainstream media distorts the truth, but I find that Beck and Rush do the same thing. In fact, I make it a point to NOT listen to these guys after the debates because I find them irrational and extremely biased and full of their own ideology. (I’m also tired of hearing two people who have never obtained a degree from a higher educational institution call it a waste of money, but I won’t go into it now.)

      The irony is that in 2008, Romney was the conservative one and Rush really loved Romney. What’s changed in the past three years guys? Why the change in heart?

      I was a Romney supporter in 2008, and I am for 2012.

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    • slr4528
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:17pm

      You are so very wrong and I am sick and tired of people calling Romney a RINO and Progressive and also saying that Romney care is just like Obamacare because this information has been proven incorrect on many occasions.

      I would almost think that Obama is coordinating this mass hysteria about Romney because all of the accusations and language is the same. Obama would love to run against Perry and Cain because Obama would most likely be beaten by Romney.

      I also do not understand how the tea Party could support a candidate like Cain who is going to introduce a national sales tax in addition to an income tax-and that is not progressive?? Government will essentially control whether you buy new or used goods and kill you with consumption taxes. This will be great for growing middle class families-NOT!

      Then there is Perry who doubled the size of government in Texas,gives incentives to illegals and pitched a binational healthcare plan with Mexico-and you guys are hung up on Obamacare?

      I am sorry but I strongly feel like the GOP has been invaded by Axelrod’s PR propaganda machine or the GOP is dominated by Evangelical Christians who are bigoted towards Mormons. Romney has proven with his government and private record that he is the most qualified of the group of candidates.

      If anyone watched the Bloomberg Debates you would see that Romney is a strong conservative candidate. If he wasn’t he would have been able to articulate his views so concisely.

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    • CottonMPG
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:20pm

      As a Christian we tolerate everyone. If you agree with or enjoy something or someone you don’t have to,”tolerate,” them. You tolerate things and people you disagree with and/or don’t like. Just because we love people doesn’t mean we agree with everything they say and do. I have a brother and a sister that are not Christians. It saddens me but the fact that I know and admit they are not Christians doesn’t make me a mean person who thinks she is God.

      Mormonism teaches things that are not compatible with the Bible. The Jesus taught in Mormonism is not the same as the Jesus of the Bible and their god is not the same as the God of Christianity. They are two different belief systems. One of us is wrong. If Mormons are right about the nature of God and Jesus then we, Christians, are wrong. If we Christians are right about God and Jesus then Mormons are wrong.

      A cult is an unorthodox or false religion. If you believe Mormonism is a deviation of true Christianity that has untrue and unorthodox beliefs then you agree it is a cult. That isn’t meant to be an attack or an insult. The fact that we see your beliefs as incorrect doesn’t mean we value you any less than anyone else it just means we disagree. We believe anyone’s beliefs that are opposed to what we know to be true are false. If you say there is no God, Jesus was a good man and there is no such thing as miracles. We will say your beliefs are false also.

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    • Pigpen
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:00am

      Sorry, but I grew up as a Catholic and am now a Mormon, and I don’t see ANYTHING different between the criticisms of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) and the old Southern Baptist criticism of the Catholic Church. In fact, all the Mormon Cult nonsense is recycled Catholic bashing.

      Mormons have a different Bible … Catholics have a different Bible (NIV and not the KJV)
      Mormons follow a Prophet … Catholics follow the Pope ~ a foreigner way off in Italy! (Anyone remember the worries of how JFK might be influenced by the Vatican whilst President?)

      Ah, I am too tired to keep going, you get the idea, and by the way, what I really want you to do is this: The next time your professional pastor who is paid to preach the gospel takes off against the Mormon cult, ask him how much anyone in the LDS Church gets paid. As they say so often around here on theBlaze, “Follow the Money Trail” BECAUSE the LDS faith is not only one of if not THE fastest growing faiths, it also has an entirely Lay Clergy. THAT’S RIGHT! Not one Priesthood holder from the lowliest Bishop to the Prophet himself gets paid for his religious service! Ask you pastor that!

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    • db321
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:37am

      Pigpin,

      Your stretching – The Catholics have the same old and new Testament as the Christian Bible – with exception of one chapter – the Catholic Bible and the Christian Bible are the words of God spoken through disciples.

      The Book of Mormon was written by Man – who happens to still be in his grave. I follow no man as my God – like many Obama supporters follow Obama. Man will always let you down – God never will.

      The last chapter of the Bible also warns of the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those that take away or add to any of the words of God in the Bible.

      Mormons and Muslims are much the same as they both follow the words of Man – Mohammed wanted to get laid – not sure what Josephs Smith was searching for when he wrote the Book of Mormon – however, he did have a lot of wife’s.

      I want a pastor to teach the truth – not sugar coat anything – this Pastor is 100% Correct weather you like it or not – however, it is not for us to judge – God will do that. I will vote for a Mormon if I have too – so I don’t have to live another 4 years under a Radical Muslim Dictator like we have now.

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    • wleighton
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 6:43am

      I love people that say they will never vote for Romney. If Obama wins because Cain gets the nomination, those same people will be wishing they had Romney.

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    • Applehead
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:05am

      PIG PEN,
      There are HUGE differences in Catholicism, other mainstream forms of Christianity and Mormonism! Catholics and other Christians believe in the Holy Trinity that has existed since the being of time and God will exist forever and is God of everything and created everything from nothing, while Mormons believe that Mormons(humans) are going to all turn into God’s and each individual Mormon will turn into a God and have his own planet to be the God of! They believe that Jesus is just the God over the earth and nothing else!

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    • NexusRex
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:39am

      Corrections to the false statements about Mormon beliefs and Joseph Smith above:

      1. COTTONMPG: “Mormonism teaches things that are not compatible with the Bible.”

      CORRECTION: Mormon’s use the same King James Version of the Bible. Mormon’s do have a special edition with footnotes including cross references to the Book of Mormon and notes from Joseph Smith. The belief that Jesus Christ is one-in-the-same as God the Father is contradicted in literal terms all over in the Bible:
      “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.“ ”John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
      “John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.”
      “Matthew 27:46 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
      “Matthew 26:39 O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
      …and tons more.

      So Christians believe God sent himself as his own son, that he forsake himself, that he asked himself for mercy, etc., etc.?

      FACTS: The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible… the idea was created later by a man (See: Constantine, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed) and was unpopular at first until it was decreed and then violently enforced. The violent history of Christian enforcement of ideas is despicable by any measure and clearly not God’s desire.

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:44am

      Please leave your opinions of Mormonism to yourself. I don‘t know how long I’ve had to listen to people in such a gross display of ignorance of the LDS church, but it never ceases to amaze me. Try to keep the debate on political issues please. However I do have to agree with the “follow the money” comment. It’s amazing how yall will follow the money trail like a hound dog to find the bad guys in politics, and the larger portion of crimes are commited for economic gain, but when it comes to your faith you somehow lose the scent. A person who serves others for his own glory (profit, gain, money, hint hint) has already put himself before God. How many religious belief systems pay their pastors, priests, leaders, etc… again? I lose count….

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    • ILRobb
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 9:39am

      I believe someone referenced the dire warning in the Book of Revelation of what would happen to anyone who added to that Revelation. The same is also said in other books of the Bible including Deuteronomy. In addition the Bible was put together as a book for the first time in the 4th century. The author of Revelations was speaking of that book not a Bible that wouldn’t even exist for another 300+ years.

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  • Axiom
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:57pm

    This guy has a damn good point there needs to be more of him. Everyone that thinks mormonism is a cult
    is right on the money anyone that says it is not is a bleeding heart liberal. The only thing i like about mormonism is they vote to the right . Oh and you know Rick parry put him up to it. So thats called a lie which is what mormonism is founded on. If your
    a brain washed mormon reading this thats ok you needed a new brain washing hahahahaha Peace, (AXIOM)

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:19pm

      Wait a minute, everyone that thinks Mormonism is a not cult is a bleeding heart liberal, but Mormons vote to the right, and Mormons say they aren’t a cult. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I suspect that somewhere there is a flaw in your logic.

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    • GeorgieBaby
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:15pm

      At least we Mormons DO read, get as much education as we can, and learn how to spell and express ourselves in a grammatically correct manner. We are also encouraged to study out and develop our own opinions on issues of the day, and our religion. We don’t have people telling us from the pulpit how to vote and how we should think about the issues and candidates.

      By the way, you shouldn’t stereotype all Mormons as right-leaning conservatives. I go to church with a bunch of people who voted for Obama and will vote for him again. They are staunch Democrats.

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    • Tipdog
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:15pm

      I guess Dingy Harry didn’t get the memo that he should vote to the right.

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    • Gorp
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:50am

      What I‘m getting from all of this is that if you don’t believe like Axiom believes then you are in a cult. I don‘t feel it’s up to me, or anyone else, to judge others for their beliefs. If Mormonism is a cult then what are all the other religions? Are they all cults too? If someone worships a chicken it’s not up to me, or anyone else, to judge them for it. It’s up to God! And when the time comes HE will judge. As long as someone‘s beliefs don’t affect me then I don’t care who, or what, they believe in. Once they try to change me, mine, my country, my way of life then I get upset. I’m not saying I walk around with my head in the sand either. I’m just saying that until the Poo Poo gets close to hitting the fan anyone can say, or believe, what they want. If they are the ones throwing the Poo Poo then I will aim my fan at them and turn it on HIGH!

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    • wleighton
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 6:41am

      You are the level of ignorant I pray for and the reason why people own guns. You haven’t the first clue what you are talking about.

       
    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:56pm

      COTTONMPG:

      Again another ignorant statement from you. Do you know your own history about the reformation from catholicism. The catholics would consider protestant, christians, evangelicals and everyone else a cult. Because you broke off form the Catholic church. Please do your history before you spew slander about other churches. I bet your Jesus is sure proud of you for being big enough to call other churches cults. Especially a church like “The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” Which is widely respected all over the world accept for here in the United States. Your foolish to call us a cult and you discredit yourself. Good luck bible thumper!

       
    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:01pm

      AXIOM-

      I don’t like any thing about you. Its people like you that are going to split the conservative vote. Its your bigotry and intellectual laziness that will cause many people like myself to disengage from the conservative party. The only thing you like about the Mormons? who makes comments like that? What if we were jewish or black? We are Mormons so I guess we are fair game. I challenge you to not post on this website anymore. You wouldn’t want to make a Mormon rich (Glenn Beck). You support Glenn Beck and than knock his religion. What a contradiction. I am beginning to believe the Hollywood stereotypes about christians.

      “This guy has a damn good point there needs to be more of him. Everyone that thinks mormonism is a cult
      is right on the money anyone that says it is not is a bleeding heart liberal. The only thing i like about mormonism is they vote to the right . Oh and you know Rick parry put him up to it. So thats called a lie which is what mormonism is founded on. If your
      a brain washed mormon reading this thats ok you needed a new brain washing hahahahaha Peace, (AXIOM)”

       
  • DR4SOUL
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:54pm

    If they try to nail Pastor Jeffries, they will have to explain why they didn’t go after the Rev. Wright for all his political statements from the pulpit. This is absolutely ridiculous and I predict will ultimately backfire on the liberals. First Baptist Church of Dallas is a powerful organization and is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. I doubt the Convention will roll over on this one. I’d say that the AUSCU will have a formidable fight on their hands when the power of the Convention, the American Center for Law and Justice, the Pacific Justice Institute and other constitutionally- committed legal entities get involved. These idiots will rue the day they ever raised the issue. Bring it on! It’s about time we took the fetters off pastors when they address political and moral issues.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:01pm

      They should go after Wright and Jeffress. They both are in violation. They are both haters and unchristian in their behavior.

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    • chondram
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:02pm

      Good point about the foul Rev Wright, and yes…bring it on! They want to see protesters in the streets, the IRS can pull a stunt and they see more people protesting in the streets than anything they’ve seen on Wall Street.

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    • texasken
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:51pm

      Hidden_Lion — I suspect that you’re either not a Christian or not a very well-educated one. Jeffress, as a Christian and an evangelist, is doing exactly what he’s supposed to be doing — telling the truth and exposing those who claim to be Christian but aren’t. He’s not a hater. Let me ask you this: if you discovered a cure for cancer, would you be a hater for going around and telling everyone you know about it, and telling them that chemotherapy is not the answer? No, you’d be a hero. This is EXACTLY the same thing.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:18pm

      Sorry Tex, Jeffress is not responsible for telling people who is Christian and who is not. Mormons may not be of the contemporary Christians and don’t want to be, but they are of the New Testament Christians and very much entitled to interpret those scriptures anyway they want to.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 3:58am

      You know what these Baptist Evangelicos are behaving like? Like Ivy League college grads that look down on folks who got their degree, same degree, from another “cheaper” college. In other words, they are SNOBS. “My Christianity is better than your Christianity. Mine is correct, your’s is inferior. We are an EXCLUSIVE club.”

      and like the other gentleman said here, they used to use all these lines on the Catholics many years ago. They are MAKING MONEY. Those pastors are MAKING MONEY. They have a vested FINANCIAL interest to tear down what they consider a competition.

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  • uncleherbert
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:53pm

    Judge ye not Dr. Jefferies, for ye shall be judged. Stand by all christians Dr. Jefferies, or they will come for you next!

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    • Solzhenitsin
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:10pm

      Except for the fact that they teach and believe a different gospel. Go read the New Testament all the way through without any Mormon helper texts along with it and you will see that there is a big difference between the Christ of the New Testament and that in the words of Joseph Smith.

      I’ve had friends who were of no faith at all who have read both the Bible and the book of Mormon and even they see the difference. ONe said, “I feel that the Bible is the words from God, but that the Book of Mormon is just another book.”

      Galatians 1:8-10
      “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
      For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ. “

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  • calonzap
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:43pm

    The reverend is not supposed to have an opinion…….is he?

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    • ihveit
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:31pm

      strange how they cannot preach politics from teh pulpit but its perfectly ok for politicians to take the pulpit to decieve the members???//

      something is wrong here..

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  • Polly Sigh
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:35pm

    @I…stuff Re; your link
    What chu smokin’, man?

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  • Believer33
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:28pm

    Now, Jeffress thinks he can judge a man! Wow, I am pretty sure that is not his right to judge any man. I am grateful that Christ is the only one that will judge us. I love bigots

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    • Kaoscontrol
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:39pm

      I get so tired of the whole “Christians are supposed to judge” statement. We can’t judge someone eternally– that’s for God top determine, but we are told: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1st John 4:1.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:08am

      Jesus teaches JUDGE NOT and yet they do it anyway.

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    • Believer33
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:32pm

      Kaoscontrol,

      We have been instructed that “by their fruits ye shall know whether the be of God or whether they be of man”

      Tell me how much Mr. Jeffress is getting paid for making false judgments on people he does not even know? But yet he is a follower of Christ? Wait he does it for money? Interesting! How much was Christ paid? For that matter how much where his apostles paid? hmm get it together and open your eyes.

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    • FranciscoDAnconia
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:03pm

      Bigots are so awesome! The tea party may not be racists, but bigots of course! ha ha

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  • The Realist
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:19pm

    ACL*J* and others will be all over this to protect Pastor Jeffress, and rightfully so. While I don’t think this was the best time for any devisiveness no matter how TRUE, it is, 100% true what he said. Sorry. Nothing against Mormons, you all seem like great folks, but you don’t add or take away anything from the Bible-the Bible is CRYSTAL CLEAR on this. Furthermore as has already been mentioned countless times, there are COUNTLESS lies in the book of Mormon. It gives me nor anyone else any glee in saying you guys are on the wrong track. I’ll continue to pray for you all.

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    • Grey Eagle
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:25pm

      Black churches welcome politicians all the time and recommend their flock support a specific individual. Why can’t Evangelicals do the same?

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:30pm

      @Grey Eagle — they can if they are towing the Democrats and administrations party line for Social Justice, Socialism, Racism, Class Warfare and the like…otherwise you are fair game for isolation and destruction as an enemy of the state.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:50pm

      Grey Eagle

      Which needs to be brought up before the Supreme Court. You can;t apply a law to one one group & not the other & have the law stand.

      The Supreme courts watches elections. We need to picket & hold demonstrations. Some people on the courts don’t use logic, the merely use popular opinion & liberal politics/

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    • drewder
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:03pm

      since the bible wasn‘t compiled at the time the book of revalations was written and the book of revalations wasn’t the last book written to find itself in the book latter known as the bible I don’t see how your argument even makes sense. Also since almost the exactly same thing is said in deuteronomy 4 your argument seems to say that none of the rest of the bible should be there. John was talking about his own book (revalations) not any future compilation of books latter to be known as “The Bible”

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    • finwe
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:11pm

      Realist, sorry I don‘t know what Bible you’re reading, but the Bible never says that. The Bible means “the books” note that that’s plural. Rev. 22:18, specifically says the prophecy of this “book” meaning Revelations. That makes sense because the Bible as we know it today was complied long after Revelations was written.

      I would also add this, if we were to take that scripture and interpret it as literally as so many people love to do, let’s look at another scripture. Deuteronomy 4:2 reads:

      2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

      Let’s interpret that as literally as Revelation….well it looks like everything after Deuteronomy is junk and we should discard it all. I’ll even give you the latitude to try and interpret that scripture to mean the Old Testament. That means the New Testament is junk because it was written so long after the Old Testament. Please try to convince me how you can interpret Revelations that strictly and not interpret Deuteronomy just as strictly.

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    • finwe
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:12pm

      haha Drewder you beat me to it.

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    • blamb61
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:10pm

      If we are not supposed to take anyting out of the Bible then why do the Protestants use a Bible that has less books in it than the original (apocrypha is missing)? Did they violate what was stated in Revelations?

      Like others have said, the scripture in Revelations was refering to the book of Revelations only. The same author of Revelations states in the last verse of the gospel of John:

      “John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”

      “John 10:16 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” Where is the scripture that describes this visit? He said he was going to visit others so I’m sure he did (hint – read the Book of Mormon).

      “Ezekiel 36:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
      17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.” The stick of Judah is the Bible. What is the stick of Joseph? It should be somewhere since it was to be one in the hand with what the Jews would write (hint- read the Book of Mormon).

      cont.

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    • blamb61
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:21pm

      What about scripture mentioned in the Bible that is not contained in the Bible:

      book of the Wars of the Lord (Num 21:14)
      book of Jasher (Josh 10:13; 2 Sam 1:18)
      book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs 11:41)
      book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr 29:29)
      book of Gad the seer (1 Chr 29:29)
      book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr 29:29;2 Chr 9:29)
      prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr 9:29)
      visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr 20:34; 12:15; 13:22)
      book of Shemaiah (2 Chr 12:15)
      book of Jehu (2 Chr 20:34)
      sayings of the seers (2 Chr 33:19)
      an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor 5:9)
      possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph 3:3)
      an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col 4:16)
      some prophesies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14) and a few more.

      If we were to find these would they not be valid. What about the dead sea scrolls that a lot of Christians give credit to.

      It is pure ignorance to state that the Bible, as currently written, contains all the words of God.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:04am

      Its either the Catholics or the Mormons. The rest of them, the protestors, haven’t a leg to stand on when it comes to the question of why they ever came into existence. Either the gospel and priesthood authority of God was lost from the earth through apostasy and needed to be restored by divine intervention, or the Catholics always had it all along since Peter. Those are the only two scenarios that make ANY sense.

      These other guys, they are just MAKING MONEY and calling everyone else a cult.

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    • The Realist
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 6:03am

      blamb61
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:10pm

      “If we are not supposed to take anyting out of the Bible then why do the Protestants use a Bible that has less books in it than the original (apocrypha is missing)? Did they violate what was stated in Revelations?”
      You (and other Mormons/false religion believers) should read these two for starters:

      http://www.gotquestions.org/apocrypha-deuterocanonical.html
      http://www.gotquestions.org/which-book.html

      Folks, sometimes we need to be hinest with ourselves (unless we’re liberals) enough to say “I might have been deceived” even if that means “I’ve been deceived for a looong time” Open your mind. The Bible, and only the Bible, is the true word of God. No supplements needed.

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    • The Realist
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:01am

      blamb61
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:21pm
      “What about scripture mentioned in the Bible that is not contained in the Bible”

      –> http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=Jasher&search.x=67&search.y=31 There are at least 12 results in this search alone. Please read them all, thoroughly.

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 9:34am

      @realist
      Acid test # 1 – how does your pastor make his living?
      Acid test #2 – Mormon religion says “you don’t have the whole truth”, all other religions (to the best of my knowledge) say “you’re wrong”
      FYI I am not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I was and was excommunicated. After that I have explored most other Christian faiths. But logic holds and the LDS Church is the only one that leaves no questions remaining when all are asked. It does require effort on ones part however, to do the scripture study…..oh yeah and maintain an open mind and heart.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 5:49pm

      The Realist sounds and acts like a real moron. That idiot has had some prettly logical concepts explained to him but he still blabbers on a like a drooling pavlov dog that has learned to only respond to the dinner bell. Oh well, he’s a dope. We have seen his kind before. Always yapping, never willing to listen or learn to common sense or reason.

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  • PJL
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:17pm

    He is a jerk, and it takes one to get this IRS investigation thing going that Pulpit Freedom Sunday has been trying to do for years. The bigot has done us a favor!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:31pm

      Some good will come out of this. Let the atheists push for revocation.

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    • texasken
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:56pm

      How do you know he’s a jerk? Have you met him? Talked with him? Know somebody who knows him well who said he’s a jerk? No? Then how do you know he’s a jerk?

      I suspect that you think everyone who says or does something with which you disagree is a jerk.

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  • woemcat
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:16pm

    because he’s a conservative and the groups are liberals. any questions?

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  • Believer33
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:12pm

    This guy makes me sick! As he sees the Media there all he can think about is how much $ this will bring in to “feed” his pockets. Talk about false witnesses of Christ….

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  • headbtweenlegs
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:10pm

    Well ..He gets $ on Sunday..

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  • mad_hatter
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:10pm

    Either way, it is bad for Perry politically. Even if he never said it. This is many due to the fact that he will not repudiate the pastor.

    Krauthammer was describing what will happen politically by letting this continue to festor. Here is Krauthammer explaining it: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/krauthammer_perry_ties.html

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  • mattmo79
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:09pm

    Dumb law that only supresses free speech and puts another knife in the back of religous freedom!

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:06am

      No, there should NOT be religious tests in our government process. That’s just wrong. and bigoted.

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  • DogTags
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:08pm

    First of all, the federal law prohibiting churches from endorsing candidates or talking politics is unconstitutional. Why should the AMA or ABA or any other professional group be allowed to endorse candidates but not churches? Government does not have the authority to tax churches either, so tying tax-exempt status to churches’ silence is also unconstitutional.

    Secondly, Pastor Jeffress’ comment was only “inflamatory” to those who do not believe Mormonism is a cult. Calling Jeffress’ comment inflamatory is itself inflamatory. Mormons and pluralists like Bennett do not want the debate because Mormonism cannot withstand the truth. Losing the debate will shatter the worldview of Mormons and pluralists so they cannot stand having the discussion whether Mormonism is orthodox Christianity or a cult. Joseph Smith himself said all the Christian denominations were apostate, thus setting Mormonism apart from all of them. Instead of embracing the debate false moralists insist it is immoral to have the discussion at all because it is “inflamatory.”

    Ravi Zacharias brilliantly argued that pluralism, the belief that there can be more than one right view of ultimate reality, has led to the death of reason.

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    • mils
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Christianity is a cult in itself. it’s an organized way of controlling others. Scream rant rage..that’s my belief.

      I do not believe in religion, period…just man’s way to control his fellow man.. I am not an atheist by any stretch, I just don’t believe in religions and their icons..

      People need to leave others alone. This whole thing of you’re not a christian, you’re a christian, you blong to a clut, you aren’t good enough, blahblahblah is totally degrading.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:25pm

      “A mind bent on suppressing or hindering the truth will ultimately find the lie it is chasing.” ** – Ravi Zacharias

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    • Defender of the Republic
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:11pm

      Dogtags you just completely contradicted yourself by posting this quote: “Ravi Zacharias brilliantly argued that pluralism, the belief that there can be more than one right view of ultimate reality, has led to the death of reason.”
      Christianity in general is pluralism. Otherwise why are there Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, Pentacostals, Baptists, Church if God in Christ, Harvest Crusade, LDS, Baptists, Southern Baptists, Robert Jeffressians and on and on and on and on? There is no such thing as Christian Orthodoxy or there wouldn’t be a million versions of Christianity and growing. Heck Robert Jeffress view is not shared by all christians, not even close. Christianity is in fact pluralism. If it’s not, then only ONE of these religions is TRUE, and if that’s the case, then mormons have as much a right to profess they have all the truth as the next guy. Personally I think a lot of this is built on jealosy of the Mormons. They appear to have amazing family values, work hard, have a strict moral code, support traditional Americans values and they are growing FAST. Methinks the reason thou dost protest so much is you fear them. Their congregations appear to be growing while others continue to shrink.

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    • DogTags
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:44pm

      MILS, you are not “non-religious.” Your religion is in making a god of yourself.

      Defender, you completely lack understanding of Christian orthodoxy. All Christian denominations agree on certain essential doctrines. They differ on non-essential issues. The problem with Mormonism is that it rejects the Christian understanding of the nature of God and rejects the eternal deity of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that God exists in three persons: the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. All three exist in one eternal God. Mormons believe them to be three separate gods. The believe that both the Father and the Son used to be men who attained godhood. That belief completely falls for the lie the Serpent told Eve in the Garden: “You will become as God.” You cannot reconcile the Christian view with the Mormon view. If you think they can both be right you are an irrational pluralist.

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    • mils
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:06pm

      DogTags
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:44pm

      MILS, you are not “non-religious.” Your religion is in making a god of yourself.
      ************************
      No..you are a liar.

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    • CaliforniaD
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:30pm

      You say “Mormonism”–The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints–“cannot withstand the truth” and that the LDS Church is not “orthodox Christianity.“ It is ”orthodox Christianity” that cannot withstand the truth. For example: the word “Trinity is not in the Bible; the resurrected Jesus said he had a tangible body of flesh and bones; he said to pray to the Father in his (Jesus’) name; he said we must be baptized; neither the Bible nor any prophet ever said the Bible was the only scripture we would ever need (the Bible was compiled well after the Book of Revelation was written). No prophet or Biblical scripture ever said there would be no more prophets. Priesthood authority was given through revelation from Christ or his authorized priesthood holders (money could not buy it). I could list many more plain Biblical doctrines that “orthodox Christianity”–in its thousands of variations–ignores or has changed. “One Lord, one faith, one baptism.” So, yes, “Mormonism is not part of ”orthodox Christianity,” it follows Biblical Christianity.

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    • CaliforniaD
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:55pm

      Dogtags. You say “Mormonism”–The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints–“cannot withstand the truth” and that the LDS Church is not “orthodox Christianity.“ It is ”orthodox Christianity” that cannot withstand the truth. For example: the word “Trinity is not in the Bible; the resurrected Jesus said he had a tangible body of flesh and bones; he said to pray to the Father in his (Jesus’) name; he said we must be baptized; neither the Bible nor any prophet ever said the Bible was the only scripture we would ever need (the Bible was compiled well after the Book of Revelation was written). No prophet or Biblical scripture ever said there would be no more prophets. Priesthood authority was given through revelation from Christ or his authorized priesthood holders (money could not buy it). I could list many more plain Biblical doctrines that “orthodox Christianity”–in its thousands of variations–ignores or has changed. “One Lord, one faith, one baptism.” So, yes, “Mormonism is not part of ”orthodox Christianity,” it follows Biblical Christianity.

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    • Saved Forever
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:18pm

      @mils

      Christianity is not a cult and it’s really not even a religion. It’s a personal relationship with Christ. No “organization” ever needs to be involved.

      James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

      Now that you know the truth, you might want to rethink your unbelief.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:19am

      Christianity is not a cult and it’s really not even a religion. It’s a personal relationship with Christ. No “organization” ever needs to be involved.
      —————

      You say that, and yet you build MEGA Churches and pay your pastors WELL. In other words, you are never consistent with your platitudes there…

      Also, Christianity is and always will be a CULT, although that word NOW has a very negative connotation and is used very purposefully by SOME Christians against other Christians… I think it very clear that those who follow Jesus Christ come under the definition of what a cult is, people that follow someone, namely, Jesus Christ. So cult.

      Organization and church matters. You have been listening to a preacher that wants you to say, take church organization less seriously because they don’t have it and the whole program focuses on the man, the preacher, the charisma, but all you have to do is read the BIBLE and Ephesians chapter 4 to understand all of that organization of Jesus , which includes apostles and prophets, of which you have none, they are conspicuously absent, and they are to be in place until we all come to a unity in the faith (when Jesus comes again soon, then it will happen and He is going to have an official CHURCH organization as He did when He lived on the earth before. He called Apostles and gave them authority. He commanded them to go into all the world and preach the gospel. When one Apostle died, they called another one to keep i

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    • The Realist
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:13am

      symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:04am
      “These other guys, they are just MAKING MONEY and calling everyone else a cult.”
      symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:19am
      “You say that, and yet you build MEGA Churches and pay your pastors WELL. In other words, you are never consistent with your platitudes there…”

      –While you are 198% CORRECT, that 99% if not 100% of he “mega churches” are frauds and mostly if not entirely about the money, to lump everyone-every Christian into that category makes you look like a colossal jewel of ignorance. Nothing could be further from the truth. You should understand that for every one of these “mega churches,” there are likely hundreds of real, genuine, BIBLE BELIEVING-BIBLE TEACHING churches.

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    • Timothy_Reid
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 9:54am

      @dogtags LOL, You’re funny. To call others ignorant and then make statements that are ignorant is….less than complimentary to ones self.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 11:13am

      [DogTags
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:44pm
      MILS, you are not “non-religious.” Your religion is in making a god of yourself.

      Defender, you completely lack understanding of Christian orthodoxy. All Christian denominations agree on certain essential doctrines. They differ on non-essential issues.]

      In other words DogTag gets to decide what is essential and non-essential Christian teachings. How about the need for baptism? Essential or non-essential concept. If Christ says that “Save a man be born of the water and the spirit, he can in no wise inherit the kingdom of heaven.” then that sure sounds like an essential concept. However some Christians believe it is necessary while others do not. Which is it?

      Of course, to people like DogTags it gives them warm fuzzy feelings to think that they are on the correct side of every Christian concept. What is especially funny is they think that the most popular answer must be the correct one. As if Jesus had the popular view in his day. For light cometh into the world and the world does not receive it.

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  • RichNGadsden
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:08pm

    It‘s like Hank Jr pointed out on Glenn’s radio show this morning. No freedom of speech if you are a conservative. Guess that applies to the clergy even when outside of the church. These POS will do anything to cause trouble.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:22am

      Hank is not representative of a conservative. He comes across as kind of a dirtbag with questionable morals and a boozer mentality?

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 11:17am

      [symphonic
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:22am
      Hank is not representative of a conservative. He comes across as kind of a dirtbag with questionable morals and a boozer mentality?]

      Whereas symphonic has no flaws that he is aware of, he he he.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:04pm

    those obamademocrats in that separation group that want to IRS-scare-tactics the Christian churches need to be taken out to a brick wall with blindfolds —and learn what oppression REALLY is.

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  • paulusmaximus
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:03pm

    This will be telling when they target one group, if the IRS investigates because a a-theist religious group partitions them while allowing numerous left wing religious groups to spew hate and insurrection.

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  • cmaxfl
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:54pm

    It’s fairly easy to see who the enemies of Almighty God are in this country. But as the Apostle Paul said (concerning Christians), that our citizenship is in heaven. Phi 3:20 “But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,” Even still, it’s hard not to comment on the tragic and ungodly changes that have come about in the Untied States of America.

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:51pm

    Stay out of the Church’s business,,,How’s that for separation of Church and State you moron??

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:58pm

      Did anyone out there think that the radicals were going to let any opportunity go to waste, to try to bring down what is obviously a very large Christian organization?…..Too bad Jeffress isnt and Imam that is presiding over the local Mosque, because then everything would be just fine.

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:09pm

      The Church needs to stay out of politics or pay taxes and have all the brain deads for Perry partys it wants.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:30pm

      Encinom you are a GODLESS fool. When are you going to move out of your momma’s basement?

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  • ares338
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:46pm

    Why not start with our beloved POTUS?

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:45pm

    while the IRS is at it, how about they investigate the church of progressiveness,the church of rev wright, rev al shapton,rev jesse jackson, the church of soros, the great liberal church of media matters { soros } the church of liberalism ,i am sure there are more they can investigate,and i am sure when they get through with jeffress church, they will get right to the other ones, okay,i will not hold my breath.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:40pm

      They can investigate all they want. Preachers are allowed to express opinions on political issues in church, as long as they don’t tell you who to vote for or against.

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  • InterestingStuff
    Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:30pm

    Everyone except the Pentagon, FBI, and CIA need to be investigated since they overthrew the country after the election. Let’s investigate every American and create files on them all at the their expense too
    http://BiggestCoverUp.blogspot.com/

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