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Social Security Administration: So Here’s Why We Need 174,000 Hollow Point Bullets…

Social Security Administration Explains Why They Need 174,000 Hollow Point Bullets

(Source: oig.ssa.gov)

The Social Security Administration clarified why it was seeking to purchase 174,000 hollow point bullets in a blog post on Thursday, saying that the agency employs “special agents” with “full law enforcement authority.”

TheBlaze previously reported that the SSA had posted a “Request for Quote for Ammunition” on the FedBizOps.gov website earlier this month. The solicitation called for 174,000 .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point bullets.

The SSA’s Office of the Inspector General addressed the solicitation in a blog post on the agency’s website with the title, “Beyond the Numbers“:

As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA’s programs. Currently, about 295 special agents and supervisory special agents work in 66 offices across the United States.  These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests.

Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers. They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty.

Media reports expressed concerns over the type of ammunition ordered. In fact, this type of ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies. OIG’s special agents use this ammunition during their mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions, to ensure agent and public safety. Additionally, the ammunition our agents use is the same type used at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.

Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately. They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers.

The blog also links to another post about a fight that broke out near an SSA office in Massachusetts that required law enforcement to respond.

“SSA is processing more applications than ever, which means more traffic in SSA office…Employee and visitor safety is the highest priority for OIG, which, together with the Federal Protective Services and local law enforcement, has jurisdiction over SSA workplaces,” the blog states.

What the blog post does not clear up is why the SSA needs such massive amounts of ammunition and whether it is a standard purchase for the SSA.

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  • RandomMan
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:18pm

    And whats wrong with normal police when they are in such a tight spot. More waste by overlap

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:09pm

      Just Obama’s civilian force well equiped and trained. Really, who is guilty of SS fraud that needs a well armed force coming after them. When was the last time a SS office was attacked.

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    • Tracker2021
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:31pm

      Normal police officers do not have the authority and access to Federal property unless on official business. For example: responding to a call. This ammunition is for fraud investigators not the Homeland officers that protect SSA offices. To answer your question regarding how often do you hear of incidents at SSA offices. The simple answer is everyday, there are stabbings, assaults, as well as various other incidents everyday .

      Plain and simply put there is so much wasteful money spent in SS that if I listed it here you would flip out. Most of the waste if spent on things that the federal government allows and not the employees or the officers charged with protecting the facilities.

      I see “healthy” 18 and 19 year old men and women coming into the office everyday to claim Social security income. I see “convicts” that get out of prison, and the first thing they do is go to SSA to collect their social security income. There is a ton of money wasted on those that need to learn “work ethics”, yet instead of that they just live month to month off the federal government. I used to think that Social security was for the retired, it is spent more on the young then the old.

      What a waste.

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    • Captain77
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:24pm

      We have our national weather purchasing large amounts of ammo, as well as social security. The Department of Homeland Security has now put in orders for over 1.4 billion rounds. I think our government knows something is coming, and it isn’t going to be pretty. Perhaps you should follow their lead and start purchasing rounds for yourself.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:25pm

      @ Tracker 2021, I like how you insinuate that the worst problem with SS is that there are a bunch of bad eggs (who are young) taking advantage of it whilst completely ignoring the fact that SS is a Ponzi scheme and a fraud designed to fleece the younger generation to provide for those of the prior who were too stupid to save for their own retirement. In case you haven’t noticed by now, I find your knowledge of our SS system to be severely lacking. As soon as I pay my 15% in taxes (yes, I do pay the employer portion no matter what anyone else may tell you, businesses and employers don’t pay taxes) and as soon as that money hits the SSA, it is used to pay off the prior generations’ “entitlements”. IF there is any left over, the government promptly spends it on whatever pork project that the older generation wants their congressman to spend it on and the SSA is left holding a federally secured bond. Now here is the funny part… Guess who has to pay the taxes to repay that federally secured bond with interest? The current generation of taxpayers! They fleece you coming and going and you‘re upset that a few bad eggs are taking advantage of a bureaucratic mess that shouldn’t even be in the first place?

      I’m sure you can see why I find your comment so distasteful now.

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    • mastice
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:38pm

      @Tracker
      “I see “healthy” 18 and 19 year old men and women coming into the office everyday to claim Social security income”

      Yeah, and meanwhile you have legitimately disabled people that should fall under SSA guidelines but they are out there working (or forced to work) because the SSA is a bureaucratic red tape nightmare.

      Thanks, in no small part, to those “healthy” people who know how to use (scam) the system.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:12am

      They are expecting resistance when they are sent to collect Obama’s obeisance. You know non-muslims are expected to give tribute to their masters.

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    • USMCEOD
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:34am

      National Weather Service, NOAA, IRS, Social Security Administration…..Seems like the Feds want every worthless branch packing heat. Whatever. You want to stop the insanity? Lets create a law that states any time the feds order a large quantity of ammunition not for military use, they have to double the order and make the excess ammunition available to Concealed Weapon Permit holders free of charge.

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    • Tracker2021
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:39am

      SGTB

      If you believe that the greatest waste is from those that are retired then you need to do some research. That being said the entire system is ridiculous because those that are retiring are NOT getting what they put into it, they are getting MORE then what they put into it. In fact they would have saved more had they done their own investments. To steal the line I HATE TO HEAR from dear leader….“let me be clear” the entire system is a fraud. Let me give you a example, and this is a TRUE story.

      A guy comes into the office and states that since he is now a “legal” citizen he would like to have the SS from the “illegal” social security numbers he had been using transferred to his now “legal” one. After the SSA agent checks with a supervisor she is told to do it. Tell me that is not messed up. Also it is not a “few bad apples”. I see on average about 10-15 people coming into the office a day to file for retirement. I see on average about 50-60 people coming in to file for social security income. Do the math. Most about 80% are able bodied under 24 year old men and women. We are raising a generation of people that are completely dependent on government. Once they leave SS they ask how to get to DSHS to get their food and housing.

      If and hopefully when we get this system done away with these people will be 26-30 with NO JOB SKILLS and ZERO work ethic.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:03am

      And the Water Dept has ordered 17 million hollow point bullets too. Oh and the SEC ordered 148 million hollow point bullets, the FAA ordered 262 million bullets, the FCC ordered 175 million bullets. The Dept of Labor ordered 277 million bullets, Dept of Energy ordered 254 million bullets, and the Dept of Museums ordered 198 million bullets.

      Nothing to worry about folks, this is just standard operating procedure. It’s just a typical day at the Dept of Libraries to order half a billion hollow point bullets. Just ignore it. Nothing to worry about, just go back to watching Dancing with the Stars.

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    • Pilgrimsarbour
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:18am

      Wow. The SSA, huh? Kind of like Hitler’s SS and SA combined. But I‘m sure it’s just a coinkeydink.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:50am

      You mean criminals and felons are signing up for disibility at a unbeleivable rate these days.
      Who woulda thunk it ?

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:42am

      Seems like…. Obama… is organizing all Government Agencies in to being ParaMilitary… so they can Fight for him!

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:51am

      TRACKER said: “I see “healthy” 18 and 19 year old men and women coming into the office everyday to claim Social security income. I see “convicts” that get out of prison, and the first thing they do is go to SSA to collect their social security income. There is a ton of money wasted on those that need to learn “work ethics”..”

      I must comment here. While I know and agree the SS system is seriously messed up! Who do you think is going to hire a felon after he/she has spent 10 years in prison?? They’ve done their time on the inside..but the worst “time” they’ll do is the rest of their life-even if they have repented to God, rehabilitated, and changed completely, nobody is going to give them a chance. I know because I had a similar experience without doing time! Drop off the grid for about 4 years to take care of a parent with cancer or a child or family and see how many jobs you are offered when you haven‘t worked for a few years or aren’t “currently working”. This government and the new Marxist NWO red tape and bureocracy has us all simply trying to survive! And please people don’t comment about the fact you have no sympathy for ex-cons! John and Paul in the bible were both imprisoned…many good people have been in prison and later turned their lives around. ALL people should be given a chance to work..but between bureocracy and the government shipping our jobs overseas…Americans are screwed! Lets blame the right people.

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    • mrspeigle
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:28am

      Why do these stories keep coming up, break the numbers down and its just a few hundred rounds per officer. That’s nothing, I hit the range once a month and burn 200 rounds to keep up to snuff, if they trained like I did they would need 2400 rounds per officer.

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    • jcldwl
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:12am

      That equals 560 rds per special officer and you don’t train with hollow points, you kill with hollow points. Lame excuse but of course we the American people are just stupid aren’t we.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:40am

      You should train with the rounds you intend to use.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:03am

      You’re kidding me right? Who needs a police force of some sort who is frauding the system? Have you ever threatened to take away someone‘s bennies who didn’t really deserve it? This is a very plausible reason, that‘s why it’s dangerous. I assume now that the SSA feels Obama and his administration are on the way out, the Republicans will crack down on disability fraud and there will be riots. I hate to sound racist, but the ones who defraud the system are usually minorities, and usually black (if they’re legal). They feel it’s their way of getting reparations from slavery. I think if you cut off the illegal aliens, they’d just go home.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:10am

      @mastice

      The social security administration teaches people to lie. When I was divorced, I went to apply for Welfare. I was told that because I had a vehicle (even though I was paying on it and the bank really owned it) and a place to live (once again, paying rent) and a job, I didn’t qualify. I looked at her and said, so, If I sell my truck, live on the streets and quit my job, I’d qualify? She just said, “I didn’t tell you that.” Emphasis on I. When I went to apply for disability for my handicapped son (before he was 18 so my income counted), they asked me if I’d sold any assets in the past year, had me count out the money in my wallet, provide bank statments as to how much money I had in the bank, and even tell them what my son had in his PIGGY BANK! And convicts get SSI all the time. You have to lie to get any benefits, and they don’t check. Honest people are the only ones dealing with red tape.

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    • grimmster
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:17am

      It is my opinion,that ssa,noaa,etc are getting equipt, not to go out and take over this country should odumbass win, but for protection against rioters if he loses.If you dont thing that,hoodrat blacks,wet-backs,and pastey white rich college kids aka ows,wont throw a fit if Romney wins,you’re a fool, and will be one of the first to be eaten.The revolte is coming,and it will be by the left,like Glenn say, when, or where i dont know, but its coming……

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:27am

      SS OFFICERS sounds on par for what our government has become. I believe the germans called them GASTEPO

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    • Bluefish49
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:34am

      They are stocking up for the same reason I am…..they know what’s coming..

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    • TheLeftMadeMeRight
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:57am

      This is back door gun control period! If they can’t get the guns then target the ammo. If the government orders half a million rounds it seriously reduces the amount of ammunition available to the public. This is taxpayer funded gun control. This isn’t the first time the Obama administration has used this tactic.

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    • Louis_G
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:21am

      Forget for just one second, everything else that is creepy about this story, and think of this: It goes against the Hague Convention (USA signed 1907) for the military to use hollow point bullets to be used to shoot at enemy troops, as they are considered to cause “unnecessary human suffering”. Obama’s police force will be using rounds against our citizens that our government has considered unethical to be used against foreign enemies for over 100 years.

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    • 226crimsontrace
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:28am

      mrspeigle,

      I am not worried about how many rounds each officer gets, I am worried about how many gun-toting jack-boots there are. I would rather one agent have 5000 rounds, than 10 agents with 500 each.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:00am

      All these government agencies buying huge amounts of ammo and community police departments being set up with war grades military weapons and vehicles…….ANYONE ELSE THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS PREPARING FOR THE SYSTEM COLLAPSE AND THE CIVIL WAR THAT WILL FOLLOW IT

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:18am

      NHwinter
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:09pm
      Just Obama’s civilian force well equiped and trained. Really, who is guilty of SS fraud that needs a well armed force coming after them. When was the last time a SS office was attacked.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I think you answered your own question, NHwinter. Adolf Hitler had the Schutzstaffel (SS). That word translates to “Defense Corp”.

      I think President Obama suggested we needed a Civilian “Defense Corp” that’s just as well-armed as the police. Sounds like the Socialist Security Administration is fundamentally transforming into Obama’s SS.

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    • TexasHunter
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:25am

      It appears that Americans are going to have to fight for their true RED and BLUE stripes. All I can say is BRING IT ! :) Between the government and black pansies I do believe we have our selves a up hill battle with red beneath our shoes.

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    • KevINtampa
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:50pm

      @SCREW WINDOWS

      Agreed, but that’s not always financially responsible for people who have to work for and purchase their own rounds instead of having the public buy the rounds for them. It qould be nice to head to the range knowing I wouldn’t be spending $75 on ammunition.

      A compromise is finding the same grain and shape (hollow point or full metal jacket) in a cheaper less reliable bullet for the range, but even that can be more expensive than simply buying non-protection range rounds. If you can afford it, go to the range with the same rounds you carry outside of the range, if you can’t afford that, by a cheaper round of the same grain, if you can’t afford that, buy cheap range rounds at WalMart. Either way though, find a budget and practice. You’ll never be sorry for getting accurate and fully acclimated with the operation of your gun(s).

      Another compromise is loading your own rounds, but some ranges (most indoor ranges in Florida) don’t allow reloads because of insurance costs.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:18pm

      They really plan to kill us for wanting smaller government and lower taxes. Simply stated. The American people are the most serious threat to the US Government on Earth. Death by hollow point is a very horrible way to die.

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  • RandomMan
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:16pm

    That’s still a **** ton of bullets that are rarely if ever used if you know what I mean. How often do you here of ssa officers shooting anything.

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    • RandomMan
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:27pm

      Thank you blaze for the sensor. 3 letters are entirely too close to the actual word.

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    • mtsnj
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:52pm

      Hitting a target would be good for starts

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    • stillbombshelterbob
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:41pm

      Boy!! My 86 year old mother must be more of a desperado that I thought!!!

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    • Blazeanswerman
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:46pm

      Don’t mess with the Blaze with your free speech. They will squelch even the okay but politically incorrect words like television stations edit Caddy Shack’s priest missing the putt in the rain storm… Rat Fart!

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    • Honestybefore truth
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:35am

      I agree. That’s around 600 per agent, and you don’t use high-end hollow point ammo for target practice or weapons qualifying. So, why is there a need for that much ammo?

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    • shoulda coulda woulda
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Can you say “corner the market”. Can you say “law of supply and demand”. They are either looking to make ammunition scarce (ie why they different types of ammunition 357, 9mm, 40cal, 2 of which rank among the most popular) or to drive people out of the market by sending the price sky-high.

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  • kcinco
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:14pm

    Any gun enthusiast knows you don’t use hollow points for practice or training! If a marksman is accurate, she or he could take down a bad guy with one of those .357 hollow points. They cost literally twice as much as target ammo. Sounds like a bunch of government WASTE and more LIES once again

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    • RandomMan
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:20pm

      Yea why pay twice the price for “ target practice”. Besides you would think they would use reloads for target practice.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:09pm

      No, there is more going on here than we are seeing; someone is preparing for an escallation in the near term, at best a precautionary move, yet with a socialist and radical administration in the charge of the nation, I cannot discount the chace that Obama with Homeland Security and other agencies are preparing to make a move for total power.

      Today in AZ there was a ‘emergency leadership evacuation exercise,” conducted. In accordance with some other facts people in place to know have been saying, and yes I do realize this could be nothing more than random noise for distraction purposes, something is indeed coming down the line.

      The White House has been too quiet right now on the matter of our Governors executive order; Obama has something else in store.

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    • BryanB
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:59pm

      @Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}

      The 357 Sig is such and odd Ammo. It‘s not something most Law Enforcement Agency’s use. Like 9mm, 40 cal even 45 Auto.

      The way government likes to waste money, this sounds like another case, and thats all……….

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    • trebor12081968
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:25am

      Hate to bust your bubble but…in law enforcement one MUST carry what one trains with! If you qualify with hey handgun that has serial number234549…and shoot a remmington 240 grain jhp …..then that is EXACTLY what you must carry while on duty! So yes, you do train with the hollow point rounds! If something happened to your weapon and you must place it out of service
      ..you must go back to the range a re- qualified simply because the serial number is different …but it the same weapon other than the serial number! Hope this helps you understand

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    • BryanB
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:05am

      @trebor12081968

      That sounds like a Law Enforcement Agency’s policy.

      Just because one Law Enforcement Trains one way, doesn’t mean another Law Enforcement Agency will train or have the same policies on training as another.

      In Law Enforcement you have State and Federal Accreditation. Most Law Enforcement Agency’s stay away from Federal Accreditation, because it’s a pain, and it cost a lot of money.
      State Law Enforcement Accreditation is much more conducive. And allows for the Agency’s to make their own policies, rather then the force used through Federal Law Enforcement Accreditation………

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    • BryanB
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:32am

      *Agencies……….

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:20am

      @TREBOR12081968

      I carried a 357, when I went to the range I shot 38sp. wad cutters.
      aaaaaaai think you have a wad in your brain.
      I AM TRYING TO BE NICE.

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  • islandgal
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:13pm

    So maybe they are preparing for social security to hit 0 and there will be panic. But… only a few hundred rounds wouldnt hold a lot of people at bay… makes you wonder exactly what kind of person is committing fraud that a gun would be needed at all? How many stories have you heard of a SSA agent shooting someone???? Don’t the local police handle that? Hmmm something smells fishy to me.

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  • scout n ambush
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:12pm

    These people are also called out for security detail when high ranking gov’t officials need protection .many feds were issued 9mm that was taken from them a few years ago and replaced with 40.cal the 9′s probably went to mexico

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  • mr_e_m_t
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:11pm

    Any situation that the SSA finds itself in requiring law enforcement should be handed over to local authorities.
    Solves issues with over spending in budgets and takes care of any concerns with our nation becoming a fascist state.

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  • ginger100
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Social security storm troopers will be rolling up along side to terminate you, harvest your organs all in the name of the King of the New World Nation. Pay your taxes or it’s curtains for you slave christian racist.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:07pm

    looks like all these federal agencys are gearing up for something….at the same time trying to take away our rights to bear arms….uh huh

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  • FerretMaster
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:06pm

    I am NOT a big fan of big GOVERNMENT by any stretch of the imagination but the fact that the 295 officers are required to carry arms are getting 590 (rounded up) rounds is not a big deal to me. I personally am a hand-loader and when I go to shoot, I always have about 1000 rounds of pistol ammunition to “unload” or I consider it a wasted trip and a waste of time.
    Gun control in my dictionary is defined as being able to hit your intended target in the COM (center of mass). This requires muscle memory and the only way to get that is to practice. Are 590 rounds for these folks to practice for a stress filled situation excessive? In this case…..I think not.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:10pm

      Why not ball ammo, you know the kind that costs less and is more suitable for qualification and training? They do not require their own special force. How many police forces does this country need?

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    • FerretMaster
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:18pm

      Hidden_Lion

      Ball ammunition has the nasty habit of over penetrating and striking things beyond the intended target (even if you hit the target). JHP bullets tend to expend their energy IN the target and far less likely to cause collateral damage.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:02am

      @FERRETMASTER
      I wouldn’t give a commie the benefit of the doubt, if I were you. This admin is readying itself for civil war because Barack has no intention of stepping down. Those who ignore the red flags do so at their own peril.

      In re JHPs, if you are a conservative white male your head is the target.

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  • Totally Domestic
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:06pm

    Not buying their bull.

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  • Lost In Space
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:03pm

    Whats wrong with this picture,multiple branches of the federal gov. arming themselves to the teeth, meanwhile we need more common sense gun control. We know all the criminals are just waiting for the chance to turn there guns in. cold dead fingers.

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    • NancyBee
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:48pm

      There is something wrong with this picture!

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    • christhefanatic
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:09pm

      What can be said for any government that doesn‘t trust it’s own people with the means to protect themselves…except that they have already established that their own people are, potentially,the enemy.

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  • kryptonite
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:02pm

    Maybe Barack is sending these “special agents” across the border to hand out SSNs to the drug cartels, jihadists and illegals. What’s that operation gonna be called, Barry?

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  • Perspective
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:01pm

    Let’s see….174,000 / 295 = 589.83 rounds per agent. I‘d say they’re expecting a lot of trouble from our senior citizens and disabled people. The true plan as I see it is to make it harder for We The People to purchase said types of ammo.Why? Because it’s one thing that helps us even the odds when the military crackdown comes.The military doesn’t use hollow points.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:08pm

      Again, training with hollow points is excessively expensive and total BS. Why do they have their own police, why are not the local law enforcement or FBI good enough?

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:01pm

    I thought it was ILLEGAL for law enforcement to use Hollow Point Ammo?

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    • resme
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:11pm

      Only in warfare, I think. Killing unarmed senior citizens doesn’t count as warfare, maybe?

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    • korbin
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:15pm

      Military per the Geneva Convention is limited on the type of ammo, ball ammo is mostly used. Law enforcement can it is considered safer to avoid collateral damage versus ball ammo flying through the target or walls.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:03pm

      Well, I guess when they are trying to thin out the line, they don’t want to accidently hit the poor schlub behind him.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:20am

      @ RESME, who Posted: “Only in warfare, I think. Killing unarmed senior citizens doesn’t count as warfare, maybe?”

      Who says us senior citizens are “unarmed”? :)

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  • WireWizard
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:00pm

    How many law enforcement departments do we need? Don’t we have the treasury department, DHS, BATF, and FBI?
    Now we have the EPA and Social Security, what other federal agencies have armed agents?

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    • RandomMan
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:00pm

      Ssa CIA, sheriffs , marshals. Rangers. FBI. IRS. Secret service. Regular police. Swat. Sbi NOAA. Ice Dea ATF Wildlife officers .who knows what we don’t know about…………..we are definitely a police state. Crime should be zero with all this…don‘t y’all fill safe.

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  • Garys1n2
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:59pm

    Apparently, this article was written by someone that doesn’t go to the range because when I go to the range, it is not uncommon to fire 200-300 rounds with each of my weapons. It also makes sense to fire the same type of round while on duty as at the range so the shooter knows what to expect should the situation arise. And finally, 174K is not that many rounds, although it is about 60 times what I currently have stocked up. Not a lot of ammo to go around to almost 300 agents.

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  • TheCoffinMaker
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:55pm

    They want to ensure no American interferes in the processing of the illegal Mexican aliens

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  • Baracalypse
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:55pm

    I can’t afford more ammo for me. It’s nice of me to afford ammo for them though….

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  • intercepter
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:54pm

    rubber bullets ,bean bags,tasers,,pepper spray ,,no no go right for the hollow points

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  • randy
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:54pm

    My math comes up with about 600 rounds per each member of Obamas civilian Army….

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  • Altair
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:54pm

    My first impression was negative. But if what was written is true, more power to them. Social Security fraud is rampant, as is, recently, SSI Disability. The miscreants involved, which the SS agents are investigating, aren’t of the “tea and crumpets” crowd.

    I’ve paid into the system for 56 years, and, since I still work, am still paying into SS.

    I hope the agents find the criminals and tear their asses up.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:25am

      IF you assume that is the truth–and that is a BIG assumption–WHY does every agency need its own quasi-military police force? Seems pretty redundant and wasteful to me–but then that is what our government is best at–wasting our money.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:52pm

    we cannot be conned by the obama admin .. they are spreading out the ammo buys so as not to call attention to a historic massive ammo purchase by a Government to be used against its own citizens … obama fully intends to be able to have his ‘private army’ slaughter Americans in our streets and homes. that’s why all the AMERICAN tanks and manuevers — in American towns and cities. HOLLOW POINTS? they want our innocent white Christian American children dead on the first hit, obama thinks that will demoralize and immobilize us into submission.

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    • Altair
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:00pm

      So far, it’s all pistol ammo. Means nothing if the balloon goes up. Half the people here have 5.56 or 7.62 bullet launchers… even the Feds are smart enough not to bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

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    • Eleutheria
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:09am

      “HOLLOW POINTS? they want our innocent white Christian American children dead on the first hit, obama thinks that will demoralize and immobilize us into submission.”

      He had better think again ;)

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    • TheLeftMadeMeRight
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:07am

      Do you really think the government is out of ammo and needs to reorder some? This is how a liberal president goes about getting what he wants, GUN CONTROL. Since 2008 ammo and gun prices have almost doubled. If the government orders large amounts those orders will be filled first and not be going to Gander Mountain for the public’s use. This is Obama using YOUR money (he thinks belongs to him) to once again go around congress and effect YOUR second amendment rights.

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    • warhorse_03826
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:07pm

      @altair

      are you forgetting the 324 million rounds of .223 on stripper clips the FBI bought 2 years ago?

      that’s war ammo. you don’t buy on stripper clips unless you have a need to reload magazines very quickly.

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  • intercepter
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:51pm

    I don’t think I am buying this BS

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  • Dan
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:50pm

    Oh good, so we have yet ANOTHER unconstitutional national police force…

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    • BurntHills
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:53pm

      the actual term is “obama’s private army” he used to talk about so much.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:54pm

      dont worry – this is all being done to protect you from terrorists….

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  • resme
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:47pm

    “Currently, about 295 special agents and supervisory special agents work in 66 offices across the United States.”

    I can think of 66 ways to save money.

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    • HumbleMan
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 9:01pm

      Wow … that’s only 590 rounds per agent.

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    • LONGHOTSUMMER
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:49am

      I thought it’d be a good way to clean up DC, plus cut govt. waste and spending and control the population too. Then there’s dogfood and fertilizer too. More jobs for morticians too. I’m a job creator. I’ll be hanged.

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