Soros Speech Disappears from His Website — Which One and Why? (Update: It’s Back)
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Jonathon M. Seidl
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Editor’s note: see the update at the bottom of the page.
On Saturday, we reported on George Soros’s candid remarks on the European financial crisis. In short: the eurozone had three months to try and ward off a collapse before it’s “too late.” The speech sent waves throughout the global financial community. But now, something strange has happened to the speech: It’s gone.
(Related: Special Report — George Soros: Godfather of the Left)
First, here’s what Soros said in part:
“The Greek crisis is liable to come to a climax in the fall. By that time the German economy will also be weakening so that Chancellor (Angela) Merkel will find it even more difficult than today to persuade the German public to accept any additional European responsibilities. That is what creates a three-month window.”
In our original article, we linked to his website where the speech — delivered at an economic conference in Italy — was featured. But try and click on that link now, and this is what you see:
The URL, however, remains:
The development raises a slew of questions: Why was it taken down? Who did it? Was it a request? Will there be an explanation?
Luckily, Business Insider has a text copy of the full speech. And considering someone doesn’t want you to see it, you should probably read it. Twice:
George Soros Remarks
Festival of Economics
June 2, 2012
Trento, Italy
Ever since the Crash of 2008 there has been a widespread recognition, both among economists and the general public, that economic theory has failed. But there is no consensus on the causes and the extent of that failure.
I believe that the failure is more profound than generally recognized. It goes back to the foundations of economic theory. Economics tried to model itself on Newtonian physics. It sought to establish universally and timelessly valid laws governing reality. But economics is a social science and there is a fundamental difference between the natural and social sciences. Social phenomena have thinking participants who base their decisions on imperfect knowledge. That is what economic theory has tried to ignore.
Scientific method needs an independent criterion, by which the truth or validity of its theories can be judged. Natural phenomena constitute such a criterion; social phenomena do not. That is because natural phenomena consist of facts that unfold independently of any statements that relate to them. The facts then serve as objective evidence by which the validity of scientific theories can be judged. That has enabled natural science to produce amazing results.
Social events, by contrast, have thinking participants who have a will of their own. They are not detached observers but engaged decision makers whose decisions greatly influence the course of events. Therefore the events do not constitute an independent criterion by which participants can decide whether their views are valid. In the absence of an independent criterion people have to base their decisions not on knowledge but on an inherently biased and to greater or lesser extent distorted interpretation of reality. Their lack of perfect knowledge or fallibility introduces an element of indeterminacy into the course of events that is absent when the events relate to the behavior of inanimate objects. The resulting uncertainty hinders the social sciences in producing laws similar to Newton’s physics.
Economics, which became the most influential of the social sciences, sought to remove this handicap by taking an axiomatic approach similar to Euclid’s geometry. But Euclid’s axioms closely resembled reality while the theory of rational expectations and the efficient market hypothesis became far removed from it. Up to a point the axiomatic approach worked. For instance, the theory of perfect competition postulated perfect knowledge. But the postulate worked only as long as it was applied to the exchange of physical goods. When it came to production, as distinct from exchange, or to the use of money and credit, the postulate became untenable because the participants’ decisions involved the future and the future cannot be known until it has actually occurred.
I am not well qualified to criticize the theory of rational expectations and the efficient market hypothesis because as a market participant I considered them so unrealistic that I never bothered to study them. That is an indictment in itself but I shall leave a detailed critique of these theories to others.
Instead, I should like to put before you a radically different approach to financial markets. It was inspired by Karl Popper who taught me that people’s interpretation of reality never quite corresponds to reality itself. This led me to study the relationship between the two. I found a two-way connection between the participants’ thinking and the situations in which they participate. On the one hand people seek to understand the situation; that is the cognitive function. On the other, they seek to make an impact on the situation; I call that the causative or manipulative function. The two functions connect the thinking agents and the situations in which they participate in opposite directions. In the cognitive function the situation is supposed to determine the participants’ views; in the causative function the participants’ views are supposed to determine the outcome. When both functions are at work at the same time they interfere with each other. The two functions form a circular relationship or feedback loop. I call that feedback loop reflexivity. In a reflexive situation the participants’ views cannot correspond to reality because reality is not something independently given; it is contingent on the participants’ views and decisions. The decisions, in turn, cannot be based on knowledge alone; they must contain some bias or guess work about the future because the future is contingent on the participants’ decisions.
Fallibility and reflexivity are tied together like Siamese twins. Without fallibility there would be no reflexivity – although the opposite is not the case: people’s understanding would be imperfect even in the absence of reflexivity. Of the two twins, fallibility is the first born. Together, they ensure both a divergence between the participants’ view of reality and the actual state of affairs and a divergence between the participants’ expectations and the actual outcome.
Obviously, I did not discover reflexivity. Others had recognized it before me, often under a different name. Robert Merton wrote about self-fulfilling prophecies and the bandwagon effect, Keynes compared financial markets to a beauty contest where the participants had to guess who would be the most popular choice. But starting from fallibility and reflexivity I focused on a problem area, namely the role of misconceptions and misunderstandings in shaping the course of events that mainstream economics tried to ignore. This has made my interpretation of reality more realistic than the prevailing paradigm.
Among other things, I developed a model of a boom-bust process or bubble which is endogenous to financial markets, not the result of external shocks. According to my theory, financial bubbles are not a purely psychological phenomenon. They have two components: a trend that prevails in reality and a misinterpretation of that trend. A bubble can develop when the feedback is initially positive in the sense that both the trend and its biased interpretation are mutually reinforced. Eventually the gap between the trend and its biased interpretation grows so wide that it becomes unsustainable. After a twilight period both the bias and the trend are reversed and reinforce each other in the opposite direction. Bubbles are usually asymmetric in shape: booms develop slowly but the bust tends to be sudden and devastating. That is due to the use of leverage: price declines precipitate the forced liquidation of leveraged positions.
Well-formed financial bubbles always follow this pattern but the magnitude and duration of each phase is unpredictable. Moreover the process can be aborted at any stage so that well-formed financial bubbles occur rather infrequently.
At any moment of time there are myriads of feedback loops at work, some of which are positive, others negative. They interact with each other, producing the irregular price patterns that prevail most of the time; but on the rare occasions that bubbles develop to their full potential they tend to overshadow all other influences.
According to my theory financial markets may just as soon produce bubbles as tend toward equilibrium. Since bubbles disrupt financial markets, history has been punctuated by financial crises. Each crisis provoked a regulatory response. That is how central banking and financial regulations have evolved, in step with the markets themselves. Bubbles occur only intermittently but the interplay between markets and regulators is ongoing. Since both market participants and regulators act on the basis of imperfect knowledge the interplay between them is reflexive. Moreover reflexivity and fallibility are not confined to the financial markets; they also characterize other spheres of social life, particularly politics. Indeed, in light of the ongoing interaction between markets and regulators it is quite misleading to study financial markets in isolation. Behind the invisible hand of the market lies the visible hand of politics. Instead of pursuing timeless laws and models we ought to study events in their time bound context.
My interpretation of financial markets differs from the prevailing paradigm in many ways. I emphasize the role of misunderstandings and misconceptions in shaping the course of history. And I treat bubbles as largely unpredictable. The direction and its eventual reversal are predictable; the magnitude and duration of the various phases is not. I contend that taking fallibility as the starting point makes my conceptual framework more realistic. But at a price: the idea that laws or models of universal validity can predict the future must be abandoned.
Until recently, my interpretation of financial markets was either ignored or dismissed by academic economists. All this has changed since the crash of 2008. Reflexivity became recognized but, with the exception of Imperfect Knowledge Economics, the foundations of economic theory have not been subjected to the profound rethinking that I consider necessary. Reflexivity has been accommodated by speaking of multiple equilibria instead of a single one. But that is not enough. The fallibility of market participants, regulators, and economists must also be recognized. A truly dynamic situation cannot be understood by studying multiple equilibria. We need to study the process of change.
The euro crisis is particularly instructive in this regard. It demonstrates the role of misconceptions and a lack of understanding in shaping the course of history. The authorities didn’t understand the nature of the euro crisis; they thought it is a fiscal problem while it is more of a banking problem and a problem of competitiveness. And they applied the wrong remedy: you cannot reduce the debt burden by shrinking the economy, only by growing your way out of it. The crisis is still growing because of a failure to understand the dynamics of social change; policy measures that could have worked at one point in time were no longer sufficient by the time they were applied.
Since the euro crisis is currently exerting an overwhelming influence on the global economy I shall devote the rest of my talk to it. I must start with a warning: the discussion will take us beyond the confines of economic theory into politics and the dynamics of social change. But my conceptual framework based on the twin pillars of fallibility and reflexivity still applies. Reflexivity doesn’t always manifest itself in the form of bubbles. The reflexive interplay between imperfect markets and imperfect authorities goes on all the time while bubbles occur only infrequently. This is a rare occasion when the interaction exerts such a large influence that it casts its shadow on the global economy. How could this happen? My answer is that there is a bubble involved, after all, but it is not a financial but a political one. It relates to the political evolution of the European Union and it has led me to the conclusion that the euro crisis threatens to destroy the European Union. Let me explain.
I contend that the European Union itself is like a bubble. In the boom phase the EU was what the psychoanalyst David Tuckett calls a “fantastic object” – unreal but immensely attractive. The EU was the embodiment of an open society –an association of nations founded on the principles of democracy, human rights, and rule of law in which no nation or nationality would have a dominant position.
The process of integration was spearheaded by a small group of far sighted statesmen who practiced what Karl Popper called piecemeal social engineering. They recognized that perfection is unattainable; so they set limited objectives and firm timelines and then mobilized the political will for a small step forward, knowing full well that when they achieved it, its inadequacy would become apparent and require a further step. The process fed on its own success, very much like a financial bubble. That is how the Coal and Steel Community was gradually transformed into the European Union, step by step.
Germany used to be in the forefront of the effort. When the Soviet empire started to disintegrate, Germany’s leaders realized that reunification was possible only in the context of a more united Europe and they were willing to make considerable sacrifices to achieve it. When it came to bargaining they were willing to contribute a little more and take a little less than the others, thereby facilitating agreement. At that time, German statesmen used to assert that Germany has no independent foreign policy, only a European one.
The process culminated with the Maastricht Treaty and the introduction of the euro. It was followed by a period of stagnation which, after the crash of 2008, turned into a process of disintegration. The first step was taken by Germany when, after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers, Angela Merkel declared that the virtual guarantee extended to other financial institutions should come from each country acting separately, not by Europe acting jointly. It took financial markets more than a year to realize the implication of that declaration, showing that they are not perfect.
The Maastricht Treaty was fundamentally flawed, demonstrating the fallibility of the authorities. Its main weakness was well known to its architects: it established a monetary union without a political union. The architects believed however, that when the need arose the political will could be generated to take the necessary steps towards a political union.
But the euro also had some other defects of which the architects were unaware and which are not fully understood even today. In retrospect it is now clear that the main source of trouble is that the member states of the euro have surrendered to the European Central Bank their rights to create fiat money. They did not realize what that entails – and neither did the European authorities. When the euro was introduced the regulators allowed banks to buy unlimited amounts of government bonds without setting aside any equity capital; and the central bank accepted all government bonds at its discount window on equal terms. Commercial banks found it advantageous to accumulate the bonds of the weaker euro members in order to earn a few extra basis points. That is what caused interest rates to converge which in turn caused competitiveness to diverge. Germany, struggling with the burdens of reunification, undertook structural reforms and became more competitive. Other countries enjoyed housing and consumption booms on the back of cheap credit, making them less competitive. Then came the crash of 2008 which created conditions that were far removed from those prescribed by the Maastricht Treaty. Many governments had to shift bank liabilities on to their own balance sheets and engage in massive deficit spending. These countries found themselves in the position of a third world country that had become heavily indebted in a currency that it did not control. Due to the divergence in economic performance Europe became divided between creditor and debtor countries. This is having far reaching political implications to which I will revert.
It took some time for the financial markets to discover that government bonds which had been considered riskless are subject to speculative attack and may actually default; but when they did, risk premiums rose dramatically. This rendered commercial banks whose balance sheets were loaded with those bonds potentially insolvent. And that constituted the two main components of the problem confronting us today: a sovereign debt crisis and a banking crisis which are closely interlinked.
The eurozone is now repeating what had often happened in the global financial system. There is a close parallel between the euro crisis and the international banking crisis that erupted in 1982. Then the international financial authorities did whatever was necessary to protect the banking system: they inflicted hardship on the periphery in order to protect the center. Now Germany and the other creditor countries are unknowingly playing the same role. The details differ but the idea is the same: the creditors are in effect shifting the burden of adjustment on to the debtor countries and avoiding their own responsibility for the imbalances. Interestingly, the terms “center” and “periphery” have crept into usage almost unnoticed. Just as in the 1980’s all the blame and burden is falling on the “periphery” and the responsibility of the “center” has never been properly acknowledged. Yet in the euro crisis the responsibility of the center is even greater than it was in 1982. The “center” is responsible for designing a flawed system, enacting flawed treaties, pursuing flawed policies and always doing too little too late. In the 1980’s Latin America suffered a lost decade; a similar fate now awaits Europe. That is the responsibility that Germany and the other creditor countries need to acknowledge. But there is now sign of this happening.
The European authorities had little understanding of what was happening. They were prepared to deal with fiscal problems but only Greece qualified as a fiscal crisis; the rest of Europe suffered from a banking crisis and a divergence in competitiveness which gave rise to a balance of payments crisis. The authorities did not even understand the nature of the problem, let alone see a solution. So they tried to buy time.
Usually that works. Financial panics subside and the authorities realize a profit on their intervention. But not this time because the financial problems were reinforced by a process of political disintegration. While the European Union was being created, the leadership was in the forefront of further integration; but after the outbreak of the financial crisis the authorities became wedded to preserving the status quo. This has forced all those who consider the status quo unsustainable or intolerable into an anti-European posture. That is the political dynamic that makes the disintegration of the European Union just as self-reinforcing as its creation has been. That is the political bubble I was talking about.
At the onset of the crisis a breakup of the euro was inconceivable: the assets and liabilities denominated in a common currency were so intermingled that a breakup would have led to an uncontrollable meltdown. But as the crisis progressed the financial system has been progressively reordered along national lines. This trend has gathered momentum in recent months. The Long Term Refinancing Operation (LTRO) undertaken by the European Central Bank enabled Spanish and Italian banks to engage in a very profitable and low risk arbitrage by buying the bonds of their own countries. And other investors have been actively divesting themselves of the sovereign debt of the periphery countries.
If this continued for a few more years a break-up of the euro would become possible without a meltdown – the omelet could be unscrambled – but it would leave the central banks of the creditor countries with large claims against the central banks of the debtor countries which would be difficult to collect. This is due to an arcane problem in the euro clearing system called Target2. In contrast to the clearing system of the Federal Reserve, which is settled annually, Target2 accumulates the imbalances. This did not create a problem as long as the interbank system was functioning because the banks settled the imbalances themselves through the interbank market. But the interbank market has not functioned properly since 2007 and the banks relied increasingly on the Target system. And since the summer of 2011 there has been increasing capital flight from the weaker countries. So the imbalances grew exponentially. By the end of March this year the Bundesbank had claims of some 660 billion euros against the central banks of the periphery countries.
The Bundesbank has become aware of the potential danger. It is now engaged in a campaign against the indefinite expansion of the money supply and it has started taking measures to limit the losses it would sustain in case of a breakup. This is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once the Bundesbank starts guarding against a breakup everybody will have to do the same.
This is already happening. Financial institutions are increasingly reordering their European exposure along national lines just in case the region splits apart. Banks give preference to shedding assets outside their national borders and risk managers try to match assets and liabilities within national borders rather than within the eurozone as a whole. The indirect effect of this asset-liability matching is to reinforce the deleveraging process and to reduce the availability of credit, particularly to the small and medium enterprises which are the main source of employment.
So the crisis is getting ever deeper. Tensions in financial markets have risen to new highs as shown by the historic low yield on Bunds. Even more telling is the fact that the yield on British 10 year bonds has never been lower in its 300 year history while the risk premium on Spanish bonds is at a new high.
The real economy of the eurozone is declining while Germany is still booming. This means that the divergence is getting wider. The political and social dynamics are also working toward disintegration. Public opinion as expressed in recent election results is increasingly opposed to austerity and this trend is likely to grow until the policy is reversed. So something has to give.
In my judgment the authorities have a three months’ window during which they could still correct their mistakes and reverse the current trends. By the authorities I mean mainly the German government and the Bundesbank because in a crisis the creditors are in the driver’s seat and nothing can be done without German support.
I expect that the Greek public will be sufficiently frightened by the prospect of expulsion from the European Union that it will give a narrow majority of seats to a coalition that is ready to abide by the current agreement. But no government can meet the conditions so that the Greek crisis is liable to come to a climax in the fall. By that time the German economy will also be weakening so that Chancellor Merkel will find it even more difficult than today to persuade the German public to accept any additional European responsibilities. That is what creates a three months’ window.
Correcting the mistakes and reversing the trend would require some extraordinary policy measures to bring conditions back closer to normal, and bring relief to the financial markets and the banking system. These measures must, however, conform to the existing treaties. The treaties could then be revised in a calmer atmosphere so that the current imbalances will not recur. It is difficult but not impossible to design some extraordinary measures that would meet these tough requirements. They would have to tackle simultaneously the banking problem and the problem of excessive government debt, because these problems are interlinked. Addressing one without the other, as in the past, will not work.
Banks need a European deposit insurance scheme in order to stem the capital flight. They also need direct financing by the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) which has to go hand-in-hand with eurozone-wide supervision and regulation. The heavily indebted countries need relief on their financing costs. There are various ways to provide it but they all need the active support of the Bundesbank and the German government.
That is where the blockage is. The authorities are working feverishly to come up with a set of proposals in time for the European summit at the end of this month. Based on the current newspaper reports the measures they will propose will cover all the bases I mentioned but they will offer only the minimum on which the various parties can agree while what is needed is a convincing commitment to reverse the trend. That means the measures will again offer some temporary relief but the trends will continue. But we are at an inflection point. After the expiration of the three months’ window the markets will continue to demand more but the authorities will not be able to meet their demands.
It is impossible to predict the eventual outcome. As mentioned before, the gradual reordering of the financial system along national lines could make an orderly breakup of the euro possible in a few years’ time and, if it were not for the social and political dynamics, one could imagine a common market without a common currency. But the trends are clearly non-linear and an earlier breakup is bound to be disorderly. It would almost certainly lead to a collapse of the Schengen Treaty, the common market, and the European Union itself. (It should be remembered that there is an exit mechanism for the European Union but not for the euro.) Unenforceable claims and unsettled grievances would leave Europe worse off than it was at the outset when the project of a united Europe was conceived.
But the likelihood is that the euro will survive because a breakup would be devastating not only for the periphery but also for Germany. It would leave Germany with large unenforceable claims against the periphery countries. The Bundesbank alone will have over a trillion euros of claims arising out of Target2 by the end of this year, in addition to all the intergovernmental obligations. And a return to the Deutschemark would likely price Germany out of its export markets – not to mention the political consequences. So Germany is likely to do what is necessary to preserve the euro – but nothing more. That would result in a eurozone dominated by Germany in which the divergence between the creditor and debtor countries would continue to widen and the periphery would turn into permanently depressed areas in need of constant transfer of payments. That would turn the European Union into something very different from what it was when it was a “fantastic object” that fired peoples imagination. It would be a German empire with the periphery as the hinterland.
I believe most of us would find that objectionable but I have a great deal of sympathy with Germany in its present predicament. The German public cannot understand why a policy of structural reforms and fiscal austerity that worked for Germany a decade ago will not work Europe today. Germany then could enjoy an export led recovery but the eurozone today is caught in a deflationary debt trap. The German public does not see any deflation at home; on the contrary, wages are rising and there are vacancies for skilled jobs which are eagerly snapped up by immigrants from other European countries. Reluctance to invest abroad and the influx of flight capital are fueling a real estate boom. Exports may be slowing but employment is still rising. In these circumstances it would require an extraordinary effort by the German government to convince the German public to embrace the extraordinary measures that would be necessary to reverse the current trend. And they have only a three months’ window in which to do it.
We need to do whatever we can to convince Germany to show leadership and preserve the European Union as the fantastic object that it used to be. The future of Europe depends on it.
All this makes the in-depth Soros expose we posted yesterday, from the Media Research Center, that much more important. Read that here.
Update:
After we and others posted on the subject, the speech has now mysteriously returned. If you click the link, this is what you’ll see:
Now that’s just all sorts of interesting.





















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Comments (47)
rickc34
Posted on June 6, 2012 at 12:12amThis is Obama’s number one backer. He wants the european union and the united states to fail. Money, silver and gold will have no value . A can of beans will have more value food shortages will start you can already see our goverment harassment of farmers and cattle ranchers. The best way to control the people is to starve them. Now is the time for a relationship with Jesus Christ .
Report Post »IOUQuidProQuo
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 11:00pmGeorge Soros is a FACIST PIG! Death warmed over. He may be UBER-rich, but he traded his soul to dance with the Devils.
In June 2008, USA Today announced the collapse of the European Union and the EURO would happen in 2012. That was the invisible hand making their moves and prediction came before the USA September 2008 meltdown of the banking industry.
SOROS knows about the bubbles since he has collapsed 5 other currencies. He orchestrates the collapses, and works both sides to hedge his bets. Soros is the ULTIMATE UBER-FATCAT Banker. He massages all the markets – ILLEGAL DRUGS, RX, OIL, BANKING, GUNS, MILITARY, HOUSING, GOLD, COMMODITIES, etc. IF there is a bubble, George created the run-up on the bubbles, and pulls the plug. In 2011, Soros made 8 BILLION dollars, while most people lost money or broke even.
Robert Haas with the Trilateral Commission announced the NWO money needs to come home to the USA to rebuild the markets, i.e. create the boom times again starting in 2012, to build the bubble here, again, so they can bust it. The financial markets are just a game to these FACIST PIGS.
Wealth is NEVER DESTROYED, Wealth is only transferred. Check into the JPMorgan Chase 2 BILLION losses in May 2012. The money was not LOST, it was a transfer of WEALTH, and you should see who WON/earned Money, if JPMorgan Chase lost money.
SOROS’ dream of NEW WORLD ORDER domination by just a few elites has failed. The EU shows the world, that the principle is a
Report Post »IOUQuidProQuo
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 11:03pmBust!
Report Post »goodwater
Posted on June 6, 2012 at 12:02amMr. Soros is 82. He’s way past the average life span. It’s only a matter of time before his number is called. As an atheist won’t he be surprised when he meets The Creator and receives his judgement.
Report Post »I‘m sure he’ll leaves instructions to stuff his coffin with his billions so he can be the richest soul in hell.
ObserverOnTheHill
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:51pmA great book on how the communists have taken over our institutions – churches, schools, businesses and government is -
The Naked Truth: The Naked Communist – Revisited
by James C. Bowers
He discusses how W. Cleon Skousen ( author of the 5000 Year Leap ) was an FBI agent for 16 years and was concerned about the implementation of what he felt were the top 45 stated goals of the communists at that time. You will be shocked how successfully their plans have been completed.
A MUST READ book for any freedom loving American
Please pass on to others when done reading – SPREAD THE WORD
Also watch the youtube video of Yuri Bezmenov, from the 80′s with G. Edward Griffin ( Jekyll Island author )
Report Post »A Soviet KGB defector, he tells how it was his job to infiltrate these institutions and place communist supporters in positions of leadership and power. Mind boggling stuff.
Nolan Ryan-s Fastball
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:39pmProbably just a website glitch, but hey…Welcome to “Progressive Economics”! Wasn’t Van Jones just saying this is where he needs to concentrate his efforts? I think George is gifting these very talking points to Van. Welcome to Economics + Critical Theory = Load of BS.
Report Post »Anyone else think it’s telling that George proudly admits to never studying “the theory of rational expectations and the efficient market hypothesis,“ and THEN goes on to state that THIS is ”an indictment in itself” of these theories/hypotheses. This man defines hubris!; he declares theories to be “unrealistic” without ever studying them, and hence they are to be discarded by everyone else as worthless of consideration. Thank you, King George, for saving us from the hell of “rational expectations” and “efficient markets,” or even having to worry about what they are at all (excepting, apparently, the poor souls who he feels should do the ultimately pointless task of putting forth an INFORMED critique). George, this is an indictment of YOU, not economics.
If you don’t yet think George is delusional, here’s a few more gems to consider:
“Economics, which became the most influential of the social sciences…”+”My interpretation of financial markets differs from the prevailing paradigm in many ways…”+ “Until recently, my interpretation of financial markets was either ignored or dismissed by academic economists. All this has changed since the crash of 2008.” = George is the most influenti
Honestybefore truth
Posted on June 6, 2012 at 7:24amIn the piece he refers to “economic theory”. I would suppose he means Keynesian theory. But since western governments have never really implemented it fully it would be irresponsible to state that it has failed. Keynes postulated that Governments should deficit spend to support ailing economies during times of need, then repay the debts incurred when the economy improved. That second part is what Governments have NEVER fully attempted. The problem is that, like Marx, Keynes failed to (or was overly optimistic about) properly estimating the human element. In Keynes case he failed to account for the human subset of Politicians. Politicians almost always lack the intestinal fortitude to follow a course that requires them to “cut off the drunk”. Political expedience always seems to win out. In misinterpreting the major factor of realistic human nature both Keynesian Economic and Marxism will never find a viable situation with which they can truly be tested, hence both will likely to continually fail.
Report Post »Wpower
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 4:52pmWhen is some crazy lunatic going to come out of the woodwork and do what needs to be done with this guy??? That’s right, I forgot, all of the lunatics are on the left and Soros is definitely one of them!! :)))) It’s pretty scary to think about though, a man with so much money is bent on destroying America…………….. Not good, not good at all…. and the politicians are there to take in their share of the money, sell us out as our way of life dwindles into nothing and the liberal views become law….
Report Post »iblvingd
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 4:35pmI think he thinks he is the “God Father” of the world. He kind of resembles Marlin Brando with the jowls of time and over indulgence too!
Report Post »airportengineer
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 12:36pmDarn! Soros probably pissed off those Insider TIpsters from Germany that help him break the Bank of England, after they read that speech! The same Soros that pushed the Euro, keeps getting richer and richer with every thing that happens! He will benefit once more when another “insider” leaks the actual day to hedge his bet against the Euro! When those inside those countries stop the corruption, including the USA when Soros had a huge windfall with the US Downgrade that Obama and Geithner knew about a day before that Friday that the Stock Markets closed, then we are never going to turn this around.
Report Post »Thinking Man
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 12:17pmSure he removed it. He said his open society concept is a federation. A government form that always fails, and Europe is proven it. He pointed out his biggest failings.
Report Post »Diego Roswell
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:46amBlah blah blah “I am an elitist and I am better than you” blah blah blah “Socialism is better for the common people but keep your hands off of my power and prestige” blah blah blah. Soros os a demon from Hell and has a seat on the right hand of Satan waiting for him. DIE ALREADY YOU MISERABLE (deleted)!!!!!
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:47amI am impressed by Soros’ insight. The one sentence that jumped out to me is the following:
” It would be a German empire with the periphery as the hinterland.”
This was the dream of the builders of the Trird Reich and this time no tanks rolled across Europe. Again the Brits may survive since their currency is the Pound Sterling not the Euro.
Report Post »CoyoteDKM
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:35amHe‘s warning them to get with his plan by the deadline or they’ll pull the trigger on the war they have incubating. They have spent decades using the media to make the date “December 2012” mean doom in the minds of so many dumb, impressionable people. What better time to trigger a really huge war? Then, all the superstitious morons they have lined up like bowling pins will fall into place, easy to lead, everything else falls in place, and the plan starts like they want it to start. He is warning the elected elements in Europe to form the multinational government and monetary dictatorship he wants formed, or else it will be forced upon them in the flames of war and they’ll be scorched away for resisting. How dare they care what the people who elected them want! It is only what soros and the globalist elitists he represents want that matters in soros’ world.
Report Post »kathleenlee
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:16amYou are absolutely right…It is soro’s dream for an open global society…one world government, one world currency…and one world religion…sounds like a book I read once called the Bible…its all in there. If you really want to see something as spooky as spooky dude…please read the Harbinger…I’m 3/4 of the way through it. You won’t believe it and what it means…how since 9/11 we have been making a vow, and running headlong into it…and the spooky part…it’s all true…look it up. What an awesome book that should be read by our president…and by every citizen of this country. God bless America…
Report Post »kalli
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 5:49pm@KATHLEENLEE
Report Post »You are absolutely right about that book! I read The Harbinger last week and it still has me mermerized in its truth. As a reader of the Bible, I‘ve been saying this nation is under God’s wrath before the 2008 election, and this book literally tells us why this country has sank since 9/11. Unfortunately, those who need to read this won’t. The narcissistic and prideful will continue turning their backs on God and His Word. Unless the nation of people “return” to God, final judgment is close at hand.
mccracken
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:33amThe speech is there.
Report Post »CoyoteDKM
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:32amHe‘s warning them to get with his plan by the deadline or they’ll pull the trigger on the war they have incubating. They have spent decades using the media to make the date “December 2012” mean doom in the minds of so many dumb, impressionable people. What better time to trigger a really huge war? Then, all the superstitious morons they have lined up like bowling pins will fall into place, easy to lead, everything else falls in place, and the plan starts like they want it to start. He is warning the elected elements in Europe to form the multinational government and monetary dictatorship he wants formed, or else it will be forced upon the region in the flames of war and they’ll be scorched away for resisting. How dare they care what the people who elected them want! It is only what soros and the globalist elitists he represents want that matters in soros’ world.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:07amLove all of the typical Far Left gobbley -**** by Mr. Wizard. Intellectual shell game. This whole economic mess boils down to trust , faith and confidence. Much deeper than math or economic number theories . When people no longer trust one another, when people no longer have faith in their leaders, then people loose confidence in the future. Next either anarchy prevails or a strong leader arises to restore what was missing. That is where we are headed.
Report Post »ASE
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:52amI just went there and found it still up. Did someone put it back?
Report Post »pookieamos
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:44amGod forgive me , but his man is plain evil. Why can’t this anti-Jewish Jew just croak already ? He and his puppet Obama and all of their globalist cronies are a threat to all mankind.
Report Post »No Grass
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:27amSubstitute the Fed for the Central bank.
Substitute the U.S. Large banks for the countries central banks.
Substitute China for Germany.
Now…
Report Post »Substitute U.S. for Eurozone.
Celeste.Christi
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:42amYou Betcha!
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:23amThere is no rule that says once something is posted on the internet is must remain.
I’ve had plenty of posts here disappear.
I’ve heard Mr. Beck on his radio show tell theblaze to remove stories.
So Mr. Soros, in the short except presented, ruminates on government finances in Europe. So?
What is the answer to the question the headline posed? Why?
Because Mr. Beck “exposed” the speech? Not even plausible.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:55am@MaryBethElizabeth:
Excellent post. Perhaps Soros decided that making predictions with time-frames as short as three months is not a good idea! Anyhow, it’s very likely you can find a transcript or video of the speech on some other website, if you really care. It’s doubtful the Blaze faithful even do care to read the speech; it’s probably quite long and full of three-syllable words. The point of the headline is simply to ramp up further irrational suspicion of the Archdemon Soros: a rich man who is not conservative, a Jew who allegedly hates Jews: perfect!
Report Post »kathleenlee
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:56amYou really haven’t got a clue,have you??? Wow, every day I am surprised by the ignorant left, who only seem to care about the agenda or the politicians running for office. You see the speech. Did you read the speech. Did you know that soros has collapsed a few currencies? Including the British Pound Sterling and the money of Thailand..I think there are 2 others. He is now betting on the collapse of the dollar…months ago soro’s said he wanted a managed decline in the dollar…now he’s betting a collapse is better for his purse and his power. You really have to learn more, read more…and then make a comment..that makes sense. Soro’s is in search of a one world currency…and they only way to achieve that, is if the US fails…and that is his hope. As for Glenn, he’s been warning of this economic disaster coming for a few years now…everyone made fun of him including soros. But soros made fun of Glenn, because he had it all correct. Now today, you can‘t pick up a paper without headlines on the front page warning of America’s so to be realized, economic collapse. If the economy does crash…the violence that ensues will surely force you at that point..to actually learn what you’re talking about. Good luck..and please prepare!!!!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:05am“it’s very likely you can find a transcript or video of the speech on some other website.”
This one, for example. But where exactly is Soros’ analysis wrong?
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:11am@lloyd drako — bad recovery for an errant first post. You should read first, then speak
Silversmith
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:12amLloyd : Please read CAREFULLY the post below yours. Then take your typically arrogant Lefty smugness to some other media outlet. The NYT or Huffington would welcome you…
Report Post »dscheerer
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:31am“I’ve heard Mr. Beck on his radio show tell theblaze to remove stories.”
And as a leftie Soros fan who supports him unconditionally, you can’t tell the difference.
Why don’t you tell us why you think Soros is a good person, and good for this country?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:57amTotally mortified. Putting on my penitent‘s robes and picking up flagellant’s rod at this very moment.
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 12:29pm@MBE and DRAKO
Why do you trolls choose to defend Soros who is subverting the US economy… You choose to promote your own enslavement…
Why??? Why do you choose to be ignorant???
And right on cue following SOROS claim the the EU will fail within 3 months,,,
The Soros funded Progressive think tank CEPR calls for Bernanke to bail out Spain aka US taxpayers
Soros propaganda to subvert the $US.. he always promotes debt expansion…
“Washington, DC– Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) Co-Directors Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot issued the following statement today, calling for action by the U.S. Federal Reserve to contain the eurozone crisis. Weisbrot just returned from Spain, where he observed the impact of the crisis firsthand.”
The statement reads:
“The financial crisis in the eurozone, now centered on Spain, is contributing to the slowdown in the U.S. economy and opens the possibility of a worse financial meltdown, of the type that followed the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008. This could tip the U.S. economy into recession.
http://bit.ly/NcBPJQ
Soros funding
Report Post »http://www.cepr.net/index.php/funders/
Rickfromillinois
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:21amSo just what does this former Nazi collaborator want Germany to do? Should they start off by invading Poland and then France?
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:31amJail time for Soros!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:09amDon’t forget Spain, Ireland and Greece !
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:12amNo cause or consensus for the E.U. collapse…really?
Report Post »Here’s a clue sherlock…..the government is the largest employer. And the pension and benefits packages for those unionized employee have devastated the entire with their demands. Europe needs to collapse and the unions need to held accountable for what they’ve done.
poorrichard09
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:30amThe EU was a “fantastic object”-root word of fantastic is fantasy ie the European Union was/is a fantasy.
Report Post »Reality is now setting in and it ain’t pretty.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:02am.
Report Post »Gee I wonder if we’re next?……………
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:08amYes.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:11amI get the feeling that Spooky Dude is working on that.
Report Post »Noonien_Soong
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:42amI wouldn’t be too surprised by the end of this year or next year at this time Soros will be in custody and behind bars. Then of course Soros can buy his way out of jail.
Report Post »kilo62a
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:53amHe is just manipulating currencies to make even more billions so he can bad mouth the rich.
Report Post »randy
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:52amIt’s still on this crooks web site.
Report Post »http://www.georgesoros.com/interviews-speeches/entry/george_soros_remarks_at_the_institute_for_new_economic_thinking_annual_plen/
kickagrandma
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:48amThank you, BUSINESS INSIDER.
Thank you, BLAZE.
THANK YOU, GOD, in JESUS’ SWEET AND MIGHTY NAME, amen.
Report Post »Sol Invictus
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 11:22amDidn‘t know you were such a follower of global economics but I’m glad you‘re so pleased that you’ve had the chance to study the subject in depth. Which part are you particularly grateful for? No doubt you will be posting your thoughts on recapitalisation of the banks shortly – catch up with you then. Love as always xx.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:41am“…We need to do whatever we can to convince Germany to show leadership and preserve the European Union as the fantastic object that it used to be. The future of Europe depends on it…”
Report Post »Hold up your hand… extend the first three fingers… now read between the lines. That’s what I think about Europe, especially Britain and Germany. If Soros wants to save them, they’re obiously not worth saving.