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Soros: Tea Partiers Are Being ‘Used and Deceived’
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mlark
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:05pmPlease see page 199 of Michelle Malkin’s book “Culture of Corruption” regarding Patrick Gaspard’s ties to Soros, Obama, and the unions…very timely…
meadowlark in Texas
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:31pmWill check it out, thanks.
Report Post »HEARDENOUGHCRAP
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:05pmTea Partiers know exactly what they are doing. They are NOT paid and bussed in to gatherings. They are there to rally….not protest. To garner together those of like mind, to show our numbers, and express our views and concerns. There will always be those in EVERY kind of gathering that do not put forward the best face, (and many of those are “left wing plants”). But, for the most part, Tea Partiers are clean, decent, hard-working Americans that show respect for each other, their surroundings, their speakers, and even the other side. The vitriolic rhetoric I hear about is not coming from Tea Partiers. It is coming from liberals in THEIR OWN WORDS.
Report Post »BrianL
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:05pmThis was good but I still stand by his work in Episode 6 (Return of the Jedi) as his best performance.
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:35pmLOL, I can’t wait until he says to Obama “Barry, I am your father”
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:42pm@RN MOM
Report Post »Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:35pm
LOL, I can’t wait until he says to Obama “Barry, I am your father”
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ROFLMAO!!! — That was FUNNY!!!
They really taught you how to hurt a guy in nursing school, didn’t they?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
SAC Trained Killer
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:17pmI love you, thats so funny.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:04pmAs opposed to being used buy Soros’ and his minions? The entire array of his minions in the whitehouse and the media? To succumb to a lame propaganda/indoctrination scheme that has been the laughing stock of sound mind for decades?
Report Post »Why he thinks trusting the documents and sound principles this Nation was founded on is “being used and decieved”
Send Soros’ back to the netherworld he comes from and try his allies as war criminals that they are..
BLEMON01
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:03pmGeorge know that statements like this will make us mad, and that is why he says them. When people are enraged, they don’t think clearly. He’s counting on thoughtless reactions.
When he says that we are moronic followers he actually means the opposite. He is hoping, however, that by belittling us, we won’t act like the intelligent leaders that we are.
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:26pmAgreed, great point.
Report Post »dawg of gawd
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:03pmTrue is true is true. You are being used and manipulated – corporate funded, media promoted astroturf pioneers in the founding of the neo American county of Wingnuttia. Wisconsin protesters are genuine grassroots patriots standing up for their rights and exhibiting the best of America. Ooooooh -sleeping giant – oooooooh.
The Tea Party is history. A lot of good you did with Republicans voting to sustain $51 billion in subsidies to oil companies. And if that’s not enough, let’s keep using tax payer money to put stickers on NASCARs. Sorry, traitorous right wing radicals, your “long weekend” in the sun is done. Back to the barn. Your wives need a loofah session.
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:18pm@ dawg of gawd
Great name for yourself DAWG, what a GOOF BALL. You like Soros are trying to speak of something you don’t have a prayer of understanding. Your at best a SOCIALIST and you are about to really find out, whom is history. You and your kind are going to once and for all “ BE TOSSED INTO THE ASH HEAP OF HISTORY” Ronaldus Magnus…….
Report Post »Helldogger
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:25pmYep, the Tea Party is history, planet Earth is getting warmer, Socialist economies are always stronger than capitalists societies, we can spend our way outta dept & anal sex feels good. Yep!
I‘m glad I don’t have to sell this load of crap.
DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:28pmDAWG OF DOO DOO
This dumb ass doesnt even know what a subsity is
aaaaaaaaaahahahahaaha
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:30pm@ dawg of gawd
Didn’t your mommy give you any attention when you were a puppy, POOR wittle dawggy been kicked around like a mut his whole worthless life…….Go eat your alpo !!!!!!
Report Post »bopper
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:15pmI hope you enjoy riding your bike as oil will be going up to well over 5 dollars a gallon… but then you probably wish for that you idiot oil co. percent on dollar profit is well within a fair range… what buisness have you ever run… if you dont make at least 10 per cent on gross rev… you might as well go out of buis.. but what what you libs no about that…. all bet the taxes you pay are punny compared to real productive americans
Report Post »yubba
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:21pmI’ ve known some real idiots in my life but you take the cake my liberal freind, your socalistic world is crumbling around you, and you’re grasping for straws this is what happens when you run out of other peoples money. So tell me are you with those union thugs, they talk revolution, against who ? Go ahead and start beating on the taxpayer and see what happen to your sorry butts.
Report Post »SAC Trained Killer
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:23pmProgressive maggot.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:04pmYeah, I think he’s right too. The Tea Party makes some good points, and the rank and file seem sincere, but when you blame unions for states going broke instead of blaming unregulated financial institutions for pension funds going broke, you are promoting a political agenda that mainly benefits multinational corporations and billionaires. The illusion that you are acting out of logic and in your own best interest can only be maintained by brainwashing you into distrusting anyone who says otherwise.
Report Post »WTFnorm
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:41pm@ Chet Hempstead
You might want to do a little more research in regards to union pension plans and their funding. The “crisis” didn’t start the problems with the union plans. Underfunding (because of too little contribution from employees and too generous of benefits, to name two reasons) has been a problem for years. The economic downturn just exacerbated the problem.
Here’s an interesting tidbit from the below link: “Our analysis finds that pension plans for the officers and staffs of unions were much better funded than those for the rank-and-file.” Who would have thought?
Though I have to admit that the morons in elected positions who were negotiating with the unions for those extravagant pensions are to blame as much as any union. At the end of the day, something’s going to have to give. Period.
http://hudson.org/files/publications/UnionVsPrivatePensionPlans.pdf (Compares union and non-union pension plans before and to the year 2005–before the “meltdown”)
Report Post »Airgun
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:15pm$51 billion is chump change compared to what the progressives like you want to piss away on non-viable substitutes, protecting govt. union wage and benefit packages, and insuring re-election of your favorite commander-in-thief.
Report Post »Your arrogance is neither warranted, nor even unique, and the majority of posters at the Blaze have thicker skins than you do.
However, if you wish to continue your masturbatory exercises in futility it’s a free country-for now.
As for myself, I’ll continue to read your insultingly juvenile posts in full knowledge that as educated as you may be, it‘s no guarantee that you’re smart, in fact your posts indicate the opposite.
Smug, snide and small-minded poop flinging monkeys like yourself are a dime a dozen
Sefton
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:02pmMy response would have been “I didn’t ask you what the Obama administration, you and media cohorts are doing to sideline the Tea Party…but thanks for telling the truth for once.”
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:02pmSoros has far more to gain, billions of dollars, from use and deception than any one on the planet.
Report Post »WIjoyzie
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:01pmHow would Soros know… has he attended any tea parties? No time… too busy trying to corrupt our economic system and using union thugs.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:01pmIf George thinks the Tea Party people are good decent hard working people then why does he pay millions of dollars to activist groups to call them filthy names and accuse them of being violent. Again George wants it both ways all the while he is betting heavy on our nations demise. You notice Zekara doesn’t call him on anything just smoozes his ass like all the others in the media. Zekara is also a member of the CFR and Bilderberg birds of a feather?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:00pmThe Tea Party seems to have really upset Georgy the Jewish traitor. They must be doing something right! Keep it up folks. Only become worried when those like Soros start agreeing with us.
Report Post »ctate970
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:58pmAnd the Environmentalist, Homeless, Poor arent being used by the Left Wing Politicians?
Report Post »BacktotheFounders
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:57pmYou are wrong, Georgie. You seem to believe that we are being manipulated. We listen to Glenn, Rush, and Sean because THEY agree with US. The people that you have duped in the past must have been very stupid. We are not. Tea Partiers are educated and knowledgeable about their history and their rights, and are armed with the TRUTH. You and the gates of hell will not prevail against us.
Report Post »xhippigranny
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:57pmDoes anybody believe this man (I use this term loosly) anymore? No Mr. Soros your staw man is using us. His name is President Obama. His campagin slogan should be for 2012 “Give us and the unions more of YOUR MONEY TPP.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:32pmObummer is only an extension of Spookie Dudes private parts. He uses him to trick screw America and the perfect puppet to use would be a freak from Kenya.
Report Post »KL
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:56pmSoros is a liar. HE is the one using Americans.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:37pmOh what a wicked web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
Report Post »Sorry Puppet Master, you have been seen as the king without clothes…we KNOW who you are. We will not be lead astray by a charlatan like you.
Also, Snow got it right, I have noticed all his ‘strange’ statements lately. Check behind the smoke…I smell sulfur.
Rob_M
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:55pmClassic progressive thinking. We’re correct so our protests are justified, they‘re wrong so they’re protesting because the right wing conspiracy has tricked them into thinking they’re correct.
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:54pmHe is getting chatty lately, I do not trust him. He has a long history of being a currency killer.
Report Post »bbr48
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:15pmWho do you think is behind all the chaos and financial trouble…yep little Spookie DooDoo.
Report Post »Strictlybusiness
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:25pmSoros doesn’t have to do ANYTHING, unfortunatly we (THE U.S.A) are doing a great job all on our own destroying our economy…..We continue to allow the WACKED OUT LEFT TO WRITE THE AGENDA ……..
Report Post »bopper
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:08pmYes shorting american dollar … like he needed obama help on getting the brazil oil deal…. and the oil can not be sold to the u s… where is it going Kenya?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:14amShorting the Dollar is just smart, Warren Buffet will also
short the treasuries, How do you think these Pirates make
money ? TARP helped Buffet make 3 billion in profites
Goldman agreed to pay Berkshire a 10 percent annual dividend on the preferred stock. That’s $500 million a year, and the payout didn‘t depend at all on what happened to Goldman’s common stock price.
But there was more. In what Buffett later described as a “bonus,” Goldman also gave Berkshire the right to buy $5 billion of common stock at $115 a share. Berkshire could exercise that right any time in the next five years.
The bonus has turned into big bucks. Goldman’s stock sunk as low as $47.41 amid the late November panic at the height of the credit crisis. Some were saying Buffett had lost his touch, citing the under-water Goldman warrants. (That‘s didn’t take into account, however, the 10 percent dividend on Berkshire’s $5 billion loan. That payout was guaranteed, as long as Goldman didn’t go under completely.)
this was just 1 year after TARP
Report Post »http://www.cnbc.com/id/32982928
Creestof
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:54pm“Used and deceived” …well, not yet I don’t think. But Tea Partiers are passionate and as we close on the 2012 elections, it will become easier for a charismatic personality to draw them in and steer these passions to their own ideals.
Best be on our guard.
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:52pmAlas someone arrives to save the Tea Party from themselves. Good brave man. How good of you.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:16pmWhat would have made the interview the best for a time would be seeing Beck walk in behind Soros and say “Spooky Dude, still waiting to speak with you…”
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:45pmSnow I would have paid BIG money to see that!!!!! Can you just imagine the look on his face. Too funny.
Report Post »Copenloaf
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:52pmLook at what the Tea Party is doing……Be Proud America
Report Post »Skippy Toes
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:51pmThe Tea Party is the roots, the backbone, the foundation of this country.
Report Post »Winston Churchill was right. NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER GIVE UP. NEVER GIVE UP. We are in this
together.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:15pmExactly, never give up, never give in, and we will win in the end.
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:51pmLooks like the puppet master is taking matters in his own hands now.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:10pmTrue, he is either losing control, or figures there is no more reason to hide within the shadows.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:24pmHide your kids , believe me you don’t want them to see his face .
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:15pmGeorge Soros needs to be tried for war crimes and hung with a heavy rope
Report Post »ExpertShot
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:00pmJust like all good Megalomaniacs do…..if the “sheep” aren’t behaving the way he believes they should, he then wratches it up a notch, hoping it’ll put the sheep back into line. The ultimate outcome with someone like this typically doesn’t end well historically; HOWEVER, what he didn’t figure into the equation was an EDUCATED group of people who will NEVER give up our GOD GIVEN Freedoms. Just a thought.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:13pmFirm’s stock sale nearly twice as large as any other institution; Represented 44 percent of total BP investment
The brokerage firm that’s faced the most scrutiny from regulators in the past year over the shorting of mortgage related securities seems to have had good timing when it came to something else: the stock of British oil giant BP.
According to regulatory filings, RawStory.com has found that Goldman Sachs sold 4,680,822 shares of BP in the first quarter of 2010. Goldman’s sales were the largest of any firm during that time. Goldman would have pocketed slightly more than $266 million if their holdings were sold at the average price of BP’s stock during the quarter.
If Goldman had sold these shares today, their investment would have lost 36 percent its value, or $96 million. The share sales represented 44 percent of Goldman’s holdings — meaning that Goldman’s remaining holdings have still lost tens of millions in value.
The sale and its size itself isn’t unusual for a large asset management firm. Wall Street brokerages routinely buy and sell huge blocks of shares for themselves and their clients. In light of a recent SEC lawsuit arguing that Goldman kept information about a product they sold from their clients, however, the stock sale may raise fresh concern among Goldman’s critics. Goldman is also a frequent target of liberals and journalists, including Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi, who famously dubbed the firm a “vampire squid.”
Two calls placed to Goldman Sachs’ media office in New York Wednesday morning after US markets opened were not immediately returned, though Raw Story decided to publish the story quickly after the calls since the stock sale had been already noted online.
Others also sold stock
Other asset management firms also sold huge blocks of BP stock in the first quarter — but their sales were a fraction of Goldman’s. Wachovia, which is owned by Wells Fargo, sold 2,667,419 shares; UBS, the Swiss bank, sold 2,125,566 shares.
Report Post »http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/02/month-oil-spill-goldman-sachs-sold-250-million-bp-stock/
The eighth commandment states ‘Thou shall not steal’. It’s found at Exodus 20:15.
thegrassroots
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:51pmNo, George! Teapartiers are REFUSING to be Used and Deceived!
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:14pmto soros, they’re dumb. they (tea party folks) believe in silly things like God, the constitution, and charity
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:50pmUse me please!!
Report Post »Marty
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:25pmchazman; well said!!
Report Post »hickoryrat
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:45pmDid this nazi bastard just awake from a coma?
Watch my lips,dumass,the whole idea is to reduce regulation and taxation.
V
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:57pmOpps ..sorry CHAXMAN .. my typo my bad ;-D
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:59pmOkay got my glasses now CHAZMAN ! :-)
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:49pmI see they deleted my post with the link .. go see for yourself .. go to bing.com (I don’t google!) and search for “60 minutes Soros” it is an interview and Soros IN HIS OWN WORDS!
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:07amCATB many comments are deleted
Report Post »that’s how you know you are getting warm.
APatriotFirst
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:49pmAnd you Soros are doing what to the progressives ??
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:00pmTrue, the puppet master makes yet another of his apperances; may the lord above grant the people of the nation the sight to see the true manipulator and instigator of darkness he truly is.
I sense that something is coming and the agenda of Soros and the progressives are at the core of the matter, for when the puppet master no longer fears to be in the shadows one of two meanings come ot mind:
He no longer fears the truth coming out, for his agenda has reached, as he feels, a point of no return to its final outcome.
The second is Beck and others have forced his hand, and he is now making a desperate gamble, a ‘battle of the bulge’ for one last shot at victory, as he sees all shattering about him.
Report Post »Jayk Signal
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:03pmHow could we be deceived? Everything we need to know we experience with our own senses.
We work hard all week then we have about half of our money taken by the government and squandered.
Being a billionaire fascist, he reveals that he doesn’t understand how the working world operates. We can’t be deceived since we see the results of their criminal conspiracy every week when we get our paychecks.
Report Post »leokathleen
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:04pmyou wish ,WE HAVE WOKEN UP & REFUSE TO GOING BACK TO SLEEP….SO DREAM ON
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:05pmForgot to add this part to my last posting, and my apologies for that:
Notice the recent claims of Soros:
- Beck and Murdock (manipulative and orwellian)
- Tea Party (manipulative and manipulated)
- POTUS Obama (has lost control)
- Iran (regime will not last out the year)
I think Soros has lost control of his plans for a world without borders; the problems recently in the middle east have turned into a wild card, and now he is rushing to control or exploit the opportunities.
The next wild card will be North Korea; watch for them to soon claim to have tested another nuke, or to actually test one – fizzled or not.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:10pm@Bmartin
Agreed, Soros is good at manipulating people and situation; he only needs to get one person over to his side, and one nutjob to do the dirty work for him. Once the landslide begins, there will be very little chance of surviving it, or of diverting it.
@Jayk
Most of us are not deceived by Soros; yet he is playing for those who are either on the fence, or just starting to wake up and may yet be dragged back into his sphere of influence with his web of lies and distortions.
Report Post »ISeeDanger.com
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:12pmI see REAL, REAL, danger when it comes to Soros
Report Post »GEETAR
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:17pmas if he dont have an agenda
Report Post »pm69cv64
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:19pmIf i’m being lied to, do you really think i {or we} should turn to likes of this man? COME NOW SPOOKY DUDE, IS THIS ALL YOU HAVE? PROVE THEY ARE LYING, BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE PLENTY OF TRUTH ABOUT YOU AND YOUR ILK. HAVING SAID THAT I WOULD EXCEPT TEA PARTY LIES OVER YOURS, BUT THATS NOT WHATS GOING ON. QUITE CONTRARY, THE TRUTH IS FINALLY BEING TOLD, WITH ALOT MORE TO COME. THAT IS WHAT HE’S MOST AFRAID OF.
uncleherbert
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:20pmYou notice he never says who the tea party is being used by. He is correct about taxation and regulation, we want to deduce both. The tea party is/are common every day people who are concerned about our governments debt, spending and over reaching into our lives, taking away our liberties.
Report Post »jds7171
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:20pmOf course he thinks we are being taken advantage of. He thinks reduced regulation and taxes are a bad thing and thinks we don’t know that it is a bad thing.
It is actually a good thing. We do need some regulations so people like bernie madoff, the executives at enron, world com, and the auditors who were suppose to be auditing get thrown in jail. If everyone had good ethics and would treat everyone with respect, we wouldn’t need any regulations and in turn no government and no taxes. But not everyone is a good person. We need to have “some regulations and laws” they will protect us, the good people from the bernie madoffs.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:25pmUsed and decieved by whom?? Ourselves? Soros believes if we dont listen and follow him then we’re misinformed and easily hoodwinked. He believes the TEA Partiers need to be led into the concertration errr.. I mean re education camps.
Report Post »JoeBtfsplk
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:29pmVigilant is the key when dealing with Soros. Beware the other hand.
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:34pm@ Snow & McFinch (be nice if we could reply directly huh… maybe someone should do something about that…. stay tued all Im working on it!)
Anyway, Soros is the head progressive but take note on Becks references to the Emperor in Star Wars… This guy is Palpatine! In Return of Jedi I think Papatine tried to use the same mind trick, in a nutshell to ‘embrace your feelings and strike me down’.
Soros is doing the same thing “you are being used you question those already claiming to be on your side, Im telling you they cant be trusted“ So in his mind ”strike them down” is to turn on TEA Party leadership, personalities ie Beck Palin etc, conservative and those on true right . Like I said this guy knows exactly what he is doing, very cold very calculated.
Report Post »moonpeace
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:38pmCan you imagine the size and extent of Soros’ security force? He is the bullseye of all targets, not that I would ever promote his removal.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:44pmSoros is not deceiving anyone. To deceive you have to lie or spin, and he does neither. Every statement he made on Zakaria’s show was accurate. You should clearly state what the lies are to claim that he deceives. Otherwise, you are simply doing what you claim he is.
Soros is different than Beck or Murdoch. His view of the world is disciplined by the market. As Ben Franklin noted, a fool and his money are soon parted. So you cannot maintain views that are at odds with reality and become as rich as he has. Especially when you are dealing with markets that are as deep, liquid and large as he has. Beck and Murdoch, on the other hand, deal with a rather small group of people who watch Fox and are predisposed to watch Fox. This group doesn’t punish Beck and Murdoch for telling falsehoods; rather, they reward them. This is more analogous to PT Barnum or Houdini, who were rewarded for perpetrating an entertaining, even reassuring fraud. Given those differences in background, it is odd to see people claiming that the snake oil salesman is more honest than the Nobel laureate in physics, which is tantamount to what they are doing here.
It is also odd, as Zakaria pointed out, that the hypercapitalist hedge fund manager that was vilified by millions in the 90s for being too pro-free-market, is suddenly a raving socialist. This is kind of like a historian concluding that Reagan really was a communist. Someone will have to explain why Soros is not correct to conclude that these claims are not only false, but like much like Orwell’s campaign of Newspeak.
JoeBtfsplk
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:46pm@BMARTIN;
Great analogy. Keep it up!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:50pmABC
you are a lying sack of poo poo
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:51pmABC
you wouldnt know the truth if it
Report Post »sat in your lap and licked your nipples
Cemoto78
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:52pmSoros, wait for the change in the tax codes, no more hiding your money off shore and other seedy places. Speaking of being used, have you ever seen what your geniuses on media matters and think progress are putting out? I’d like to use him for a door stop!
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:56pmVengeance is mine says the Lord.
Report Post »———-
To God: Please hurry up and have it!!!!!
DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:01pmAND ABC
Ive benn redeaning the WSJ for more than 30 years
and I have never heard anyone speak of Soro as Hyper-pro-freemarket
thats a load of poo poo
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:01pmYes I can see it now.
Report Post »George Sorros and Frances Fox Piven puttering around the kitchen together making chocolate chip cookies. Looking forward to their golden years as the heads of the global re-education camps.
NeoFan
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:14pmOh this is rich!! Spooky Dude is watching his plan slip away as people wake up and demand their constitutional rights. The tea party is handing you your back side loser.
Report Post »The anti-tax payer unions are going down.
ggr1868
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:16pmGeorge Soros, if you were a lesser animal you would have been euthanized long ago. The only reason you exist today is for your money. Period. How would all the Progressive causes— Media Matters, The Tides Foundation, the Obama campaign, Open Society, ad nauseum— exist without your money? Money buys alot of things George. It may even buy a ‘democracy’ in the Middle East. . . a muslim democracy.
However, the better form of government is the one Soros detests: a representative republic. The US is great because our founders were bright enough to see the pitfalls of a ‘democracy’. Soros wants democracy, a one-world democracy that he can further manipulate in order to control its currency and its resources. No thanks, George. We the people will stay with our republic and the laws for which it stands.
George, please go bother some little third world country with your pablum and your money. You will NEVER EVER win the hearts and minds of the majority in the United States of America.
nptden
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:30pmHey George! The American people are ‘using’ the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and NOT being ‘deceived by the likes of you….You don’t get it George…just like Hitler, Stalin and Mao never got it…Hope you enjoy your retirement in China.
Report Post »lionslayer44
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:32pmseriously people, do you really think only soros is behind all this? who is backing him? for example does anyone think for a minute that if putin wasnt in on the financial manipulation soros conducted in russia that he would still be alive? i just dont buy it! illuminati? soros is definitely evil and should be hung for the things he has done throughout his life but he is not a lone wolf!!!!! be prepared collect food, water (purifiers), ammo. stay safe GOD BLESS AMERICA AND AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »orkydorky
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:34pmSoros is looking more like an undercover agent that’s been outed. A little nervous now that the giant is awake and the gig’s up!
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:43pmSoros is POND SCUM.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:44pmLOL .. oh goody … we got Soros attention .. no Mr. Soros those who are being decieved are the give me’s who support the progressives .. the UNIONS and the Welfare class. Who actually believe that you and Obama care about “them” LOL .. We of the TEA Party know the enemy to freedom and are informed and ACTIVE ….. and “grassroots” .. you sir and your minons (Obama) are astro-turf.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:59pmPure Evil!
Report Post »Highland
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:59pmDon’t worry about it, George. We don’t.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:00pmABC,
Report Post »I‘m predisposed to ignore people who think I’m predisposed to things.
But I’ll indulge you this once for the sake of the neutral readers here who might otherwise fall for your fallacies, half-truths and naked deception.
Soros’s main capitalist move is to profit by short-selling currencies. It is perfectly in line with his longstanding socialism to earn money by betting against the fiscal responsibility of the capitalist world (of which most states are run by socialists of one form or another).
However, this is NOT the point on which Beck calls out Soros. Beck characterizes him as a cynic. One who understands the full consequences of the globalized socialist system he is actively working toward, understands that it’s a complete and utter hoax that fails every time its tried, and only succeeds in replicating the class structure it claims to want to do away with. He knows it will fail, but still wants to move toward it because he thinks he will be on top and profit even more. It will make him even more of a king-maker than he is now. This cynicism is what makes him a deceiver, not necessarily anything he said with soft-ball fellow socialist Zakaria.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:02pmFirst of all let us be honest to ourselves….
TEA Party- Who represents you? Who did you elect to “Represent” you in this great Republic under the name TEA Party? No one…..TEA party was forced to pick of the two Evils again, Progressive Demos or Progressive Rhinos. Ron Paul is the only independent that does stand with the TEA Party and is not part of the two headed snake….You see how well the establishment likes him. Should tell you something…
There is truth in the saying the TEA Party is being deceived by Rhino’s, the same ole Republican leadership that spends to much, who won’t attend a TEA Caucus (meeting) and won’t go against and stand on their own against the Republican Party….The deceiving is the patronizing the Rhinos play on the TEA Party…..Rand Paul, Bauchman, Demint, Pawlenty, should leave the Republican Party and Join the TEA Party if they truly stand on TEA principles, not Republican.
Soros is not lying on this. He is trying to fan fires between TEA Party and Republicans so he looks like a friend to TEA Partiers but he is telling the truth like it or not.
Progressive and Democrats weren’t the same. Progressives ate the Demos and took over.
Republicans and TEA Partiers are not the same. Republicans are trying to eat the TEA Party.
Don’t be a FOOL……..
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:17pmDash,
I guess you missed the attacks on Soros by the UK press and the Malaysian press when he was blamed for causing hot money flows and “sinking” their currencies using purely market-based transactions. Those who attacked him called for currency controls, which are not free-market oriented. In the context of that argument, many people criticized Soros for showing the dangers of a totally free market system on the current and capital accounts of smaller countries, and they referred to him as too oriented to free markets. I know for a fact that the Journal covered these events adequately and made reference to the anti-market commentators that savaged Soros.
For the rest of you that choose to call me names, try naming the lies that Soros made. Otherwise, I’ll take your silence as proof that you cannot show deception on his part. That you attempt to attack me with ad hominems means that you are willing to rebut if you have even bad arguments, so the lack of good arguments means that you have nothing, in all likelihood. And the upshot of this is that you will have proven that Beck is the liar, not Soros.
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:30pmwhat soros really meant: “now at the end do you really understand the power of the dark side” (evil laugh here)
Report Post »RedHarley
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:38pmI watched this and then tried my best to come up with something that best describes my thoughts about Mr. Soros.
I thought of some things that were thoughtful and intellectual.
I thought of things that were insightful and creative.
Then I thought, WHY ?? This is George Soros we are talking about.
So here goes:
George………..bite me.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:39pmABC
Do you really want me to go there with you over Soros lying vs Beck lying? Soros has deceived (lied) many times and you know it.
ABC, it’s as easy as 1,2,3…
If you want to look dumb I will gladly appease you but I truly believe you just like getting people worked up so I’m not gonna waste my time just yet. You make yourself look dumb well on your own.
Soros is not lying about this. In fact Beck has said the same thing, “TEA Party don’t get hijacked by Republicans” Glenn Beck.
Report Post »GreatAmericanBeckFan
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:39pmWell if he says we are being used and deceived the truth would be the opposite: The Teaparty is acting of their own free will and are learning the truth.
Report Post »getperks
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:44pm@ ABC
Report Post »Soros stated in his own words that the best time in his young life was when he was selling his own jewish people up the river to the GERMANS!! I mean does it get worse than that? You would have to go back to the original Judas to get worse than that. That man is pure evil and thinks u are cattle.
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:47pmWho isn’t being used and deceived these days ?
Report Post »TeachAMantoHunt
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:53pmApparently his teacher went on strike too, forgive these socialist SOB’s, for they know not what they do
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:54pmThe Tea Partiers are being used? Really? Where is your proof Soros, not your propaganda!
I don’t care what a man says, he needs to back it with facts and proof or else it is just his baseless opinion!
Report Post »kreese
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 3:59pmSoros needs to be “abused”!
Report Post »AZpatriotmama
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:10pm@Snowleopard:
I totally agree with all you’ve said. I have one more observation. You‘ll notice that he’s not talking TO Beck, FOX viewers or the Tea Party – He’s talking ABOUT them. If he were talking TO them, he’d be on FOX, instead of CNN. He’s talking to his own side. He still needs to convince them to not listen to the right. That tells me that his agenda hasn’t reached the point of no return…yet.
Once he reaches that point, he’ll need the right on board, or at least neutralized. Our numbers are too big to ignore. He‘d have to ’re-educate’ or kill two thirds of us (nearly 205,000,000 people!).
I think he feels the middle-left slipping away and he’s attempting to reel them back in. A recent poll shows that 59% OF UNION MEMBERS want to desolve the unions. Meanwhile, our numbers are growing rapidly. That’s not good for Mr. Spooky Dude.
This is possibly a critical time for him and could be a very dangerous time for us. It depends on how much power he really has, how desparate he becomes and how crazy he is.
Time will tell…but we can’t take the pressure off. We need to fight now with all we have. Our strength is in our numbers and we need to let him know we’re out here.
Report Post »GreatAmericanBeckFan
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:10pmThis is one very intelligent, very crafty, very wealthy, very ambitious Marxist Jew.
He is extremely manipulative, evil beyond description and is more dangerous than all the poisonous serpents on the face of the earth combined.
I also believe that he fears and is very troubled and disturbed about the eye opening expose Glenn Beck has been doing on him, and the Tea party movement is making him very uncomfortable and unhinged.
Report Post »_waTson_
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:11pmWhole lot of talking by Soros and not by mistake…..
Things are so chaotic right now, which is exactly what he’s been waiting for. Thus, he’s just crawled out from under his rock to fuel the fire. Because of the person he is and has been in the past, I view this as a DESPERATE measure for him.
I urge you to 1) remain calm 2) arm yourself with fact and 3) pass them onto others.
So first things first .. and I feel the single most important thing we need to do right now, is help Wisconsin squash the State Unions.
LITTLE BY LITTLE WE GO FAR.
Report Post »AZpatriotmama
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:25pm@lionslayer44:
“…seriously people, do you really think only soros is behind all this? who is backing him? for example does anyone think for a minute that if putin wasnt in on the financial manipulation soros conducted in russia that he would still be alive? i just dont buy it! illuminati?”
Okay, let‘s say you’re right. Let’s think of it as a James Bond plot. If it‘s Soros’ job to be the puppet master to bring down America…and he fails…what do you think would happen to him?
I don’t know about you, but that gives me more incentive to fight even harder to make sure he fails!
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:26pmHappy,
“I‘m predisposed to ignore people who think I’m predisposed to things.”
Can’t speak about you in particular, but many people like to hear only what confirms their preconceived biases. That is human nature. But it is a weakness to be avoided or lessened.
“But I’ll indulge you this once for the sake of the neutral readers here who might otherwise fall for your fallacies, half-truths and naked deception.”
Name the fallacies, half-truths or deception.
“Soros’s main capitalist move is to profit by short-selling currencies.”
Soros makes money going long or short or usually both. He looks at spreads and decides if they are out of whack with his projections, and then he shorts one while going long another. He also has very large positions in bonds and stocks and some exposures to real estate and private equity. He makes more money on macro investing than anything else, but this is not adequately described as merely short selling currencies, since he almost never does naked shorts.
“It is perfectly in line with his longstanding socialism to earn money by betting against the fiscal responsibility of the capitalist world (of which most states are run by socialists of one form or another).”
This sentence is incoherent. What does “perfectly in line” mean? What is “longstanding socialism”? Is that Marx, Lenin, Gramsci? Also, you are aware that Soros makes macro bets for a whole host of reasons that cannot be intelligently reduced to a monolithic bet against the “responsibility of the capitalist world,” right? He makes a bet on a currency, which means you have to look at the monetary system backing it (e.g., US for US dollar, EU for the Euro, UK for the Pound, etc.). This is not the capitalist world as a whole, which, by the way, he clearly works within since he is trading and striking contracts that only operate inside that world. Finally, when he made the billion-dollar bet against the pound, he was not betting on a capitalist or socialist country or ideology. He looked at the sustainability of the Bank of England’s policies and concluded that they would ultimately fail to prop up the Pound, and he was hardly alone in that bet. Only a fool would link a macroeconomic investment thesis to Beck’s looney stories about socialists and their attacks on capitalism. Soros doesn’t profit from socialists screwing up capitalist economies. He looks for mispricings and unsustainable policies undertaken by both right and left leaning governments around the globe, and he has made money on governments of all political stripes. You obviously do not know much about his track record, which is better than nearly any other investor alive today, with the possible exception of Warren Buffett.
“However, this is NOT the point on which Beck calls out Soros. Beck characterizes him as a cynic. One who understands the full consequences of the globalized socialist system he is actively working toward, understands that it’s a complete and utter hoax that fails every time its tried, and only succeeds in replicating the class structure it claims to want to do away with. He knows it will fail, but still wants to move toward it because he thinks he will be on top and profit even more. It will make him even more of a king-maker than he is now.”
It is funny that the vast majority of the $7B that Soros has given away to causes has gone to promote democracy, not socialism, and much of it has gone to formerly socialist countries that he feels need help making the transition from socialism to democracy. And yet Beck calls him out as a socialist. This kind of talk is total nonsense and is exactly the opposite of reality. To the extent that Soros has attacked the right-wing leaders in the United States, he has done so not with a call to revert to socialism, which Soros never has supported, but to a responsible form of socialism and democracy that is sustainable. He calls out the lies told by right-wing pundits that you can cut spending and hold or even cut taxes further and balance a budget. It cannot happen, and Soros understands the credit implications of attempting to follow this path better than most anyone. Calling for sustainable tax levels and sustainable spending to reach more solid fiscal standing is hardly socialism. But you and others who know relatively little continue to make this false argument without any real proof, and much counter-proof in evidence. And the idea that Soros will somehow have more power under a socialist government is just silly. The US post-Citizens United gives disproportionate power to very wealthy people, like the Koch brothers and Murdoch, who give great assistance to the GOP, but it also lends support to Soros to do the same for democrats. It is under a socialist system that such great wealth cannot be translated into poltiical power. Just as Khodorovsky in Russia, who was jailed and destroyed despite his billions. Your argument makes no sense on its face. And Beck, who is a college dropout know-nothing former DJ, is certainly no match intellectually for Soros. Only people still dumber than Beck would believe that he is even in the same zip code as that great investor.
“This cynicism is what makes him a deceiver, not necessarily anything he said with soft-ball fellow socialist Zakaria.”
There is no cynicism in budget math. I’ve posted elsewhere a challenge to anyone to show me how to close the structural deficit wtihout raising taxes, and no one, not even Beck with Laffer in his corner could do it. Yet those folks continue to say it is possible. When Soros or I say otherwise, you call us cynics. This is like telling someone who claims you cannot turn lead into gold a fool, while lauding the real fools that believe such charlatan ideas.
And, for the record, Zakaria is not a socialist. His familiy is well connected in business circles in India. His brother is a well-respected investment banker. You clearly know little about these matters, which makes it really embarrassing for your when you attempt to speak so authoratively. I guess you should stick with your predispositions. As Franklin once said, and I paraphrase, it is better to remain silent and harbor doubts about whether you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Report Post »THENEWMCCARTHY
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:26pmKoch Brothers Behind Wisconsin Effort To Kill Public Unions http://t.co/Bb4mbaW (Forbes)
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:30pm@APatriotFirst
Report Post »Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:49pm
And you Soros are doing what to the progressives ??
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Uhhmmmmm — give me a minute —- uhhhhhhh — Oh!
Using them!
Showtime
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:33pmABC –
Report Post »Just go away! We don’t even read your crap now. We know BS when we smell it! We know better than to step into “steaming brown.”
abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:33pmA school lesson for Okie:
“ABC, do you really want me to go there with you over Soros lying vs Beck lying? Soros has deceived (lied) many times and you know it. ABC, it’s as easy as 1,2,3…”
This is not a rebuttal, since it doesn’t contain any information that rebuts the charge. It merely implies that such information exists and falsely states that I know what it is. If this is to pass as an intelligent response, then we should also accept that 1 + 1 = 3. Are we intelligent people or are we monkeys on this site?? Now, you logically need to state a specific example of Soros telling a lie or half-truth, which can be documented. Better, you need to show a pattern of this. Then you have the beginnings of a case. When you can do that, then you can claim to have made an intelligent argument. In any case, you cannot assert that you know what I know. Such mind reading doesn’t exist, except in the minds of fools or crazy people.
“If you want to look dumb I will gladly appease you but I truly believe you just like getting people worked up so I’m not gonna waste my time just yet. You make yourself look dumb well on your own.”
This is rich. You provide no logical proof, and you fail to address my reasonable question that those who claim Soros is deceiving need to show or state specific deception. Yet I am the one who looks foolish. And the old canard that you lack the time to provide an intelligent response but have plenty of time to supply a foolish one is just silly.
“Soros is not lying about this. In fact Beck has said the same thing, “TEA Party don’t get hijacked by Republicans” Glenn Beck.”
But Republicans are not the only group that might hijack the tea party movement. Conservatives like Bachman or Beck do it as well. When they offer solutions that make no sense, and have the tea party demanding those unworkable solutions, then this is as bad as the more moderate GOP coopting the group for political reasons. Surely, you are able to see that.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:37pmPerks,
“@ ABC
Soros stated in his own words that the best time in his young life was when he was selling his own jewish people up the river to the GERMANS!! I mean does it get worse than that? You would have to go back to the original Judas to get worse than that. That man is pure evil and thinks u are cattle.”
Please show me the source of this claim. I find it hard to believe that a man with more than $10B and five healthy kids and a couple of grandkids who is recognized as the best in the world at what he does would say that actually he was happier when he was being hunted by Nazi’s, lost his family in the Holocaust and didn‘t know whether he’d live to see the following morning. The logic of this makes little sense, so please give me a source so I can understand how a rational person (and I am assuming that you are one) could take such a seemingly irrational view. It would take proof for anyone to believe what you say. So please supply it.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:41pmShow,
Thanks for that important admission. You and others like you do not think and are not rational. A rational person will stop saying the earth is flat when they are confronted with the facts. But a fool or crazy person will say, I will ignore those facts, which I am unable to refute, and continue to believe that the earth is flat. This admission is important, since it means that you no longer can benefit from the reasoned discussions and debates that inform a healthy democracy. Rather, you need to seek out medical help for what can only be described as a psychological inability ability to grasp reality. Either you can deal with the real world, in all of its complexity, with real facts. Or you admit that you prefer a fantasy world. But if you choose the latter, you are really not fit to comment on the real world anymore, much less vote on how it should be run. Thank you for your honesty. It is an important, if unfortunate, admission you are making.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:54pmABC,
Are you just cutting and pasting your comments from your main website, Media Matters, and posting them here? You are delusional, get some help fast.
Report Post »_waTson_
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:02pm@ ABC
You seems to know quite a bit about soros. I’d like you to state what sources you are using to tout ad infinitum about soros and all his thoughts and “goodnees”.
Please and thanks state your sources and for once just keep it brief I’m geting tired or your rhetoric. Thanks
Report Post »AZpatriotmama
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:04pmABC (is that what you’re calling yourself today?):
blah, blah, blah…
Sorry, but we’re not impressed.
It’s not about trying to look intelligent. So you can read – who cares? If you want to actually win an argument here you have to stick to the point, present facts and throw in a little common sense.
The fact that you do none of the three exposes you as a liberal.
Report Post »ALLiWANTISisMYSELF
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:28pm@ABC
Report Post »Democracy can be sustained is one lie that Soros is known for spreading.
Why lie anyway when you can pay simpleminded goons to do it for you. If you need evidence of his deception “Bing” Media-Matters and read that garbage.
If an individual’s wealth or ability to generate wealth is a measure of character what would that make Mubarak, the Saudi princes, or the great Mao Ze“Dung”.
You are right on one thing Soros is neither a socialist nor capitalist he is an opportunist who makes money off failing Democracies.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:37pmABC
Do you not claim Soros bets and gains from markets collapsing? Do you not also claim Soros funds groups that uprise in opposition to topple governments gaining from his bet? Yes you do. Using people as cattle is deceiving. I need not go further grasshopper…..
There is no unworkable solution from the TEA Party, unless you‘re saying you can’t take care of yourself….Taxed Enough Already…….That really isn‘t that unworkable in fact it’s pretty simple unless your trying to “herd” people grasshopper.
Beck supports the TEA Party, he’s Libertarian. Same principles. Bachman is Republican. You can‘t be Republican and be TEA just like Whigs couldn’t be Republican. Different Principles in my view. Yes Republicans are trying to appease and patronize the TEA Party.
Report Post »Phoenixsoulfire
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:51pmIs it me or does anyone else skin crawl when he speaks?
This dude is pure evil. He is Jewish and he helped the nazi take away land from other Jews. Which is understandable if he is trying to survive. In his own words though, he enjoyed it!
When he speaks. Listen well. You can learn much about the progressives from this guy and what they want. Read all his books as well. They are scary.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:57pmJayk Signal
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:03pm
How could we be deceived? Everything we need to know we experience with our own senses.
We work hard all week then we have about half of our money taken by the government and squandered.
Being a billionaire fascist, he reveals that he doesn’t understand how the working world operates. We can’t be deceived since we see the results of their criminal conspiracy every week when we get our paychecks.
Have you seen the HUGE decrease to your check taken for SSI?
Report Post »I have. SSI can’t be given back at the end of the year like taxes can.
John_Free
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:58pmHey Soros, you are even mentioned in the Bible —
John 8:44 (King James Version) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:04pmABC
I didnt say the WSJ never covered him. (idiot)
I said the WSJ never said he was a Hypor-Free-Market Capitalist
and he is not
As for the London Times article from what 1988????
saying he wanted free markets because he wanted Great Britain to
Report Post »be a part of the Euro is a joke and you know it (well maybe not)
Seraph
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:07pmHe’s right for the most part…Fox news has hijacked the tea party movement as well the republican party. Glenn Beck himself is trying his best to also…If he really wanted freedom wouldn’t you want to have the MOST outspoken and pro freedom politician endorsed by you?…Ron Paul?
Oh please both parties exist on both sides of the same coin.
Report Post »proudconservative
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:12pmSpooky Dude sure is spooky, he really gives me the creeps, oh except for ABC I am sure he gives him a tingle down the leg.
@ABC
Why don’t you go pedal your communist propaganda elsewhere. I just figured out what ABC stands for: A Brainwashed Communist.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:13pmABC said
“It is funny that the vast majority of the $7B that Soros has given away to causes has gone to promote democracy, not socialism, and much of it has gone to formerly socialist countries that he feels need help making the transition from socialism to democracy”
If George Soros had given away that much he would be about 2 billion in the hole.
and talk about fantasy
your description of the currency markets is just that.
If you dont believe me
as the victims of his Black Wednsday short of the Britsh pound in 1992
Report Post »ALLiWANTISisMYSELF
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:34pm@ SERAPH
Report Post »You are wrong for the most part, because the way I see it the Tea Party hijacked FOX News, the Repub. Party and Glenn Beck.
what4
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:38pmYo Georgie BOY, just keep telling yourself that!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:04pmABC said
“Soros makes money going long or short or usually both”
No sht Sherlok
In any currency trade you go long on one ans short on the other at the same time.
Report Post »txbigfoot
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:16pmand spooky guy is not using people?
Report Post »and Cat Folks dont exist.omg.
You have great posts but geesh.
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:22pmcrooked traders suck
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. made $3.7 billion betting against mortgage-related securities as the housing market started to collapse, according to an estimate released Monday by an influential Congressional subcommittee.
One of the securities, known at Timberwolf I, was described as a “shi**y deal” by a senior Goldman executive at the time Thomas Montag, according to an email disclosed Monday by the Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. Montag is now president of Global Markets at Bank of America Merrill Lynch .
Goldman has been under fire since the Securities and Exchange Commission charged the investment bank with securities fraud, alleging it didn’t tell investors in a collateralized debt obligation that hedge fund firm Paulson & Co. helped structure the deal and was betting against it.
Goldman and Paulson have denied any wrongdoing, but Goldman executives including Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein are being hauled in front of the Permanent Subcommittee on Tuesday.
Carl Levin, chairman of the committee, estimated Monday that Goldman made about $3.7 billion from short positions in several CDOs in 2007.
“Goldman made a lot of money by betting against the mortgage market,” Levin said in a statement.
However, the $3.7 billion estimate doesn’t include other losses the investment bank suffered when it sold mortgage-related securities. Indeed, Goldman disclosed its quarterly residential mortgage results for 2007 and 2008 to try to counter Levin’s claim. The firm said the results show net losses of more than $1.2 billion during those years.
“We obviously could not have been significantly net short since we lost money in a declining housing market,” Goldman spokesman Lucas van Praag said in a statement. “The U.S. Senate Subcommittee has cherry-picked just four e-mails from the almost 20 million pages of documents and e-mails provided to it by Goldman Sachs. It is concerning that the Subcommittee seems to have reached its conclusion even before holding a hearing.”
Report Post »http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/goldman-sachs-used-timberwolf-on-bear-stearns-and-crushed-them-to-bankruptcy/
CountMeIn
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:22pmABC said: “For the rest of you that choose to call me names, try naming the lies that Soros made. Otherwise, I’ll take your silence as proof that you cannot show deception on his part.
Ok. I really don’t need your permission to call you names but I will indulge you this once. You are a moron and most everything you have to say is propogandist tripe. I find it highly amusing that you consider any of us to be brainwashed considering your stances on everything.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:26pmSoros surviving the Holocaust is Hitler’s revenge on America, Israel, and the world.
I hate to say it, but that’s what it feels like.
Report Post »Snapperhead
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:31pmI don’t really care for this Soros dillweed. But there is an old saying
Every now and then a Fool is right by chance. (To ignore the suggestion that the corrupted element of the Republican party (you know the one that screwed us before the other Dems screwed us (LOOP) )
The grass roots movement of the Tea Party have to be careful that the Corporate Money doest corrupt it. Remember these are the same corporations that made record earnings of something close to 6trillion in the third quarter of 2010, highest since records where kept 60yrs now. If they are Globalists then they dont give a rats dropping in hades on American as long as they can make $$$$$$.
We have to block out the noise and listen to the song so we dont lose our timing.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:44pmTOWERSEVEN
No offense but I would rather get financial advice from my neighbors cat
Than someone who thinks BIGFOOT RUNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:45pmTOWERSEVEN
just admit
you are a MARXIST AND YOU HATE CAPITALISM
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:48pmso SNAPPERHEAD IS A MARXIST TOO
they will let anyone into this bar
even Marxist scum
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:26pmDASH are you a financial terrorist ?
Report Post »http://www.prisonplanet.com/max-keiser-goldman-sachs-are-scum-financial-terrorists.html
DashRipRock
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:39pmmore posting from the 911 truther whacko site
thats just great
TOWERSEVEN
Does Alex Jones get money from you?
Like do you donate to that nut bag?
Report Post »Phejrecneps
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:42pmThe next move is happening right now as we speak. Remember top down, bottom up. Except, this is happening globally, and locally. Soros wants one world goverment. All of these “revolutions” are being funded by him and are being instigated by his minions (i.e. Ayers and otehr Obama cronies). It is even touching China. Scary.
What is even more disturbing is that our government has know about Soros for a long time and has chosen NOT to do anything about it (or rather is playing along with him). Now he is messing with China- And I am interested what may come out of it this time. Perhaps he has overplayed his hand? We’ll know soon enough!
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:55pmHey Old Man…you should know. Takes one to know one.
Report Post »Airgun
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:56pmWhat I keep reading from the local troll population is the classic inversion of fact tactic which is a progressive trademark.
Report Post »Let me ask you progressive geniuses a question: IF Glenn Beck is merely spewing 100% drivel and manufacturing his own facts- then where are the lawsuits???
Get serious, you’re talking about some of the richest and most influential people (not to mention powerful) on the planet.
If you believe for one second that an army of lawyers the size of the state of Rhode Island wouldn’t have shut down FOX or gotten him fired or fined into oblivion, then you either aren’t as clever as you think you are, or the average Blaze poster has more common sense than you box o’ rocks have collectively.
So any claim you have that Glenn’s full of it, is fantasy in it’s purest form, and we ain’t buying it.
Find another argument, because no matter how skillfully you turn a phrase, THIS line of attack is not validated by reality.
OneFunR6
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:10pmmoonpeace,
I’m hoping that he dies of nature causes,….
real soon and all of a sudden, of like…..
lead poisoning, lol!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:19pmABC,
“Can’t speak about you in particular…”
Of course not, but you condemn here wholesale without merit, hypocrite.
“Name the fallacies, half-truths or deception.”
I did, but you are refusing delivery. Just like you accuse us of doing.
But wait. You already accused of of accusing you of doing the same. So pat yourself on the back you can hold on to the (mistaken) belief that you are one logical step ahead.
“Soros makes money going long or short or usually both….”
Half truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like any billionaire investor he’s got a diversified portfolio. So what? You COMPLETELY missed my point because you’re too interested in defending him to stop your malliterate ramblings. I said his MAIN capitalist move is to short-sell currencies. It’s not about his diversified record or how successful he is at it. It‘s his GOAL that’s the problem. Dash nailed it on the head. Undercutting the Pound the way he did was in SERVICE of something beyond merely personal profit. His donations are in SERVICE of beyond mere “democratic movements” as you call it. And if you think Media Matters is neutral, you’re not just wrong, but you’re a naive buffoon.
“Soros has given away to causes…to promote democracy”
Deception. Half-truth. Fallacy. Burden of proof on you to demonstrate: 1. that the “causes” are truly doing that; 2. that when he does “promote democracy” it’s not in service of a larger goal of socializing on a larger scale as I (and Beck) have charged.
“much of it has gone to formerly socialist countries that he feels need help making the transition from socialism to democracy. And yet Beck calls him out as a socialist. This kind of talk is total nonsense”
Fallacy. First of all, socialism is NOT the opposite of democracy. Second of all just because you operate in the capitalist world does NOT necessarily mean you cannot hold socialist beliefs and objectives. It’s you that makes no sense.
“It is under a socialist system that such great wealth cannot be translated into poltiical power.”
Now you’re just getting dangerously stupid. When the state itself becomes the owner of this “great wealth” of what you speak, only political power remains. The most obvious lessons of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini’s evils have gone completely over your head. But even in incompletely socialist states like Italy, France, etc. the facts just aren’t behind you if you claim that large moneyed interest groups have no great political influence. You stand revealed as a Utopian commie.
“His familiy is well connected in business circles in India”
Fallacy. Just because someone has capitalist friends and family, or even makes a profit for himself doesn’t disqualify him from holding socialist beliefs and goals. Zakaria is a fellow-traveler with Soros and does nothing to challenge him in his questioning.
Once again, ABC. Your tripe is not flying here on the Blaze.
Report Post »“This sentence is incoherent”
Not to any rational native English speaker.
Mister President
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 9:21pmSpooky Dude must not be familiar with the term ‘irony’.
Yes, there is a whole lot of using and deceiving going on… I’ll agree with him on that.
If you haven‘t yet read ’The Overton Window,’ I recommend it. There’s a character in there exactly like Soros.
There is no doubt that Soros and all his kind and brethren have but one thing awaiting them – unequivocal defeat.
Report Post »Uncle Crusty
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:26pmLOL, the Manipulator in chief, what a lying ba$tard, and a fraud. Not to mention communist pig! He needs to have control, but since Glenn has EXPOSED him, he is desparate, and he has quickened the pace of things, yes, even in the middle east. His wealth is enormous and influence widespread, thanks to MSM and the like! All hail caesar! Heil Hitler! And his O-Gerbils in the WH…what a combo to rule Amerika, yes?
Report Post »proudconservative
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:37pmAIRGUN, you nailed it, Glenn Beck puts a tremendous amount of time and money into diligent research. You are very correct if what he was saying was false he would have lawsuits stacked to the moon and back against him. Look what happened to Breitbart for just one slip up with the racist U.S.D.A. lady Shirley Sherrod and she did not even go after the Obama administration or U.S.D.A. Furthermore she was offered her job back and declined, but she is going to sue Breitbart who was basically set up by an unnamed person who pushed for the tape to be shown. That individual is also being sued. This would be happening to Glenn ten fold with all of the things he has said and discussed on his radio and TV shows involving hundreds of people, organizations and claims.
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:48pm@ Tower7,
Report Post »I was just thinking the exact same thing…lol…who isn’t being deceived nowadays? Do they have an antidote for that?
exdem
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:51pmGeorge Soros isn’t even his real name.(it’s Schwartz Gyorgy) He was convicted of insider trading in France.He is credited with breaking the bank of England and his goal is to destroy Global Capitalism. He is a hedgefund guy and hes betting on our economy to collaspe and it will be a giant payday for him. Meanwhile behind the scenes he is orchestrating the collaspe through politicians and media.
Report Post »Soros is pure evil and the TEA Party is getting in his way. Accuracy in Media has a great piece on him called “Soros Bets on U.S. Financial Collaspe”. You can find it online.
trueblueday
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:49amI don’t give a bleep about Soros. We need to get OBO out of the W.H. 2012 is just around the corner. We need a replacement who respects the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and who will protect this country. If Hussein stays, we are doomed.
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 1:22amThe Tea Party was born leaderless. We organized under our own volition and of our own understanding. We understand the world and the perils our nation faces better than Soros ever could.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:42am@ABC–
I would like to add a little to what Happy has said.
You ask what fallacies you have used. Well, here’s one: the Naturalistic Fallacy. Your reasoning appears to run thusly: Good means what liberals support; liberals support democracy, ergo, democracy is good; George Soros supports democracy, ergo he is good.
Well, Is democracy good? Our Founders didn’t think so, so they gave us a Republic instead.
And Socrates said that “Democracy passes into despotism.”
So your contention that democracy and socialism are somehow incompatible is quite flawed; in fact, democracy and socialism are quite symbiotic. For instance, the Soviets viewed themselves as democratic; from Wiki:
“The Zhdanov Doctrine (also called zhdanovism or zhdanovshchina…) was a Soviet cultural doctrine developed by the Central Committee secretary Andrei Zhdanov in 1946. It proposed that the world was divided into two camps: the imperialistic, headed by the United States; and democratic, headed by the Soviet Union.”
And what about the Democratic Socialists? Students for a Democratic Society?
And no, one does not have to precisely lie in order to deceive, only lead someone to believe something that isn’t true, and that does not always require outright lies.
But what do I know, after all, I‘m one of those that you said doesn’t think and isn’t rational…who knows what the naturalistic fallacy is…
Report Post »;)
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:03amABC you are using logic and reason DASH is too immature to debate you
Report Post »on the facts.
I believe the real boogieman is the one which nobody speaks of. (harry potter reference)
and we all know who that is.
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:07am@free2bme1961 I hope the cure is Ron Paul but I don’t know
Report Post »maybe their will only be truth in the afterlife if there is such a thing.
greyling
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:59amNice to know we are too dumb to understand that we are being “used”…… this guy just keeps giving!
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:02amUnfortunately for you, Mr. Soros, some people can still read and think outside the box… I believe that these Progressives are getting desperate as more and more Americans wake up to the reality of this giant last push towards a One World Order… Mr. Soros may have toppled four or five other governments/nations, but America’s not proving to be as easy…
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:03amtea party being deceived like the Michele (I love the constitution)Bachman
Report Post »Freedom fighters supporting the renewal of the Un Patriot Act ????
does Soros mean that’s how the Tea party was deceived ?
1911a1
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:04amleokathleen
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:04pm
you wish ,WE HAVE WOKEN UP & REFUSE TO GOING BACK TO SLEEP….SO DREAM ON
Thats what i am talking about ! The fact is : we have become FED UP WITH BEING USED !
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:41amWe sure are seeing alot of Spooky Dude here lately, he must be going into panic mode. I assume he is implying that we are stupid and are being led down a path we didn’t choose. Sorry, Spooky Dude, it’s the sheeple following you and Obama that have the problem.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:15amNo the union members and the dumbed down individuals are being used by libs, progressives or whatever they are calling themselves today!
Report Post »Love glenn protect glenn
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:34amSpooky jumps the shark this time.
The Middle East & possible Chinese Revolutions are Win-Win for Soros. For him, it is like “OK, people are onto me in the Western world. I am throwing in the entire can of gasoline and stirring-up the hornets’ nest. I may win and get my New World Order, or I may lose. But, my losing only involves a bunch of little useful idiots dying in the Middle East. Me? I am scot-free, because most government officials will be dealing with the chaos, they don’t have time to find me or prosecute me.
Who cares about all those politicians I bought, I have already paid them. They can sit in jails all over the world for me.”
BTW, isn’t it curious that Soros found a Polish Pope for the Eastern European Revolutions, this time Soros found a Muslim/Marxist/New World Order/ guy as the US President, preparing for the Global Revolutions.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 11:45amPolitics
Soros: Tea Partiers Are Being ‘Used and Deceived’
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At least Soros finally talked about something that he’s an expert about!!!
JERK!
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »Regneva
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:59pmHmm, used and deceived by people who want less regulation and lower taxes… Hmm, I must be one of the people using and deceiving the tea party. I’m guessing that fits 99.85% of all people in the tea party.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 1:13pmWhat a Pompous A$$
Report Post »neverfinal
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 1:33pmJust look at who is reporting: 1) Islamic interviewer…..
2) Soro’s, A Jewish man that turned Communist in World War Two and committed crimes against his own people to save his own worthless life. He plays games with monetary systems all over the World. Has accomplished the monetary downfall of 4 other Nation’s and now taking America down.
Proven fact: Radical Islamic’s have joined force with Socila/Comm. to take America down. For the purpose of a New World Order.
Report Post »Question: Who is their army and force? The New Black Panther Militia????
Is Obama behind it all?? Or is he just one of the Puppets???
abc
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 2:08pmCemot,
I haven’t cut and pasted from Media Matters. If they are saying the same, then it is an independent confirmation that what I say is true.
Watson,
I know what is publicly available about Soros. There has been much written about the man, his investment philosophies (which I studied at business school), his way of thinking (influenced by the trauma of escaping the Holocaust and seeing his native Hungary ravaged by the Soviets), his admired thinkers (Karl Popper). I also have seen him speak several times while at university and in the media. As an investor, I also watch carefully his investment moves. I also was working on a fixed income and currency desk in Germany when he placed his bets against the Pound. And I was working for an equity research house in East Asia when he shorted ASEAN currencies, drawing the ire of many people in that region. So I have carefully watched him and read about him for a long time.
Mama,
I did present facts and logic (which common sense must mirror). The problem is that you are apparently impervious to them. Either you state the lies and deception of Soros, or he is not the person you claim he is. The burden of proof is on you.
Myself,
We are in the middle of the third great democratization movement of the last 30 years, and you are calling it a “lie” to say that democracy is sustainable??? Alexis de Tocqueville, the greatest scholar of all time on democracy, noted that it was not only sustainable, but, like a river, would spread far and wide due to its powerful energy that cannot be resisted. We have seen, since the 1970s a massive increase in the number of countries adopting democracy in some form or another, reflecting basic ideas that came from Western Europe and adopted in the US long ago. In the last thirty years, we have seen the rise of democratic states in East Asia, as martial law and military dictatorships have been replaced in South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines and elsewhere. Twenty years ago, we saw the same occur in the Eastern Bloc, as East Germany, the former Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and many other countries adopted Western democracy. Now, the Arab world is moving in the same direction. This is driven by demographics, wealth and technology. Those that say that democracy is not sustainable clearly are ignoring much history over the past several decades, and while deTocqueville was so smart to see the trend in the early 1800s, some people cannot see it even today as it is in full view.
Okie,
“Do you not claim Soros bets and gains from markets collapsing?”
No. Soros bets that relationships between currencies will change because they are unsustainable. The Pound could not remain at parity with the D-mark or the Franc, so he shorted the Pound and went long those other currencies. And he didn’t cause the collapse, since those markets are far too large for his billions to move for long, nor for the larger Central Bank of England to move. But that doesn’t stop you from falsely claiming that he caused the currency crisis. This is because you cannot do math. Committing one billion in a market that trades hundreds of billions or more per day means that he could not move the market, only guess right about where it is independently going.
“Do you not also claim Soros funds groups that uprise in opposition to topple governments gaining from his bet? Yes you do.”
Nope. You have to prove that Soros funded groups cause currency instability in markets where he’s placed his bet, but you cannot do that because it is not true. Show the supporting facts that some Soros funded group caused the Bank of England to pursue unsustainable currency policies, and people will believe you. Else, they’ll think you a fool or worse.
” Using people as cattle is deceiving. I need not go further grasshopper…..”
You must go a lot farther. You continue to make accusations without proof or even credibility. And you highlight your total lack of understanding on these matters. How sad for you to know so little but comment as though you do.
“There is no unworkable solution from the TEA Party, unless you‘re saying you can’t take care of yourself….Taxed Enough Already…….That really isn‘t that unworkable in fact it’s pretty simple unless your trying to “herd” people grasshopper.”
This comment is incoherent, and it puts words in my mouth. Of course you can take care of yourself, but what does this have to do with paying for what you are taking in services from the government? And please explain how the US pays a full 10% less as a percentage of GDP in taxes (25% vs. 35-45%) than Western Europe, but pays a lot more for a globally dominant military and pays twice as much for its health care. Putting some numbers around the argument for why we are overtaxed given how much we spend would be helpful. Without numbers, it is meaningless rhetoric that appeals only to other innumerate fools.
“Beck supports the TEA Party, he’s Libertarian. Same principles. Bachman is Republican. You can‘t be Republican and be TEA just like Whigs couldn’t be Republican. Different Principles in my view. Yes Republicans are trying to appease and patronize the TEA Party.”
Libertarians believe in freedoms that Beck does not. He tries to straddle two horses, appealing (for ratings) to religious conservatives and to libertarians. But he is neither. He is not for the legalization of drugs or prostitution, and he is not calling for cutting defense spending by 60% as the editors at Reason, the leading libertarian publication, are. Bachmann is a religious conservative and tax cutting zealot, but she cannot do the math to understand what the impact of such tax rates would be. So she sounds foolish to people who really know the numbers. Go read the work of Jason Furman, who is an expert in taxes and budget policy, to see the real impact of the Bush tax cuts, which hurt all but the top 1%. This is the truth that the vast majority here, who are not in that 1%, ought to be aware of. You get lost in labels and rhetoric, rather than focusing on the cold hard facts and numbers. And then, when someone tells you what you need to know, you call him names or ignore him. How irrational.
Dash,
You’re splitting hairs. There are many, in the WSJ or otherwise, who were quoted as calling Soros hyper-free-market, which is why Zakaria referenced such a transformation in the critique of Soros. Only you are debating what most find an uncontroversial statement, since it was all over the news in the 1990s.
You write: “saying he wanted free markets because he wanted Great Britain to be a part of the Euro is a joke and you know it (well maybe not).” But this is nonsense. Soros wanted to make one billion dollars (who doesn’t?), and he saw that the UK, which wanted to be part of the Euro and had the Bank of England buy Pounds and sell Deutschemarks to stay within the so-called snake, was following an unsustainable strategy. You attributed to Soros goals that were held by the majority of people in the UK and were supported by the gov’t and central bank there. It is incredible how little you know about what was going on. And I watched this first hand, since I was being paid in Frankfurt to follow the currency and bond markets in the UK and Germany, so I had a front-row seat. One of my friends, a bond trader at Goldman Sachs, was taking trades from Soros, so I was informed as it was happening. So please do not tell me you think you know more about this than i do. You do not. You should simply retreat and learn something. Claiming to know what you don’t makes you an even bigger fool than not knowing in the first place.
Proud,
Wow. Calling me a communist. How creative. I have made much money in finance and do not advocate the permanent nationalization of private enterprises, and I certainly wouldn’t tolerate that being done through violent revolution. So I am not a communist and shouldn’t be called one–except by fools who do not know what the term means. The problem is that the only thing you know about communism is that the term is an effective expletive to call people you disagree with. How sad.
Dash,
It has been reported widely, most recently on CNN during Zakaria’s show, that Soros has given away $7B to support democracy and the emergence of civil society in former dictatorships and in democracies where leaders have not always acted to support democracy. This is not a controversial claim, except on websites where folks are as fact-challenged as they are here.
And thanks for proving that you cannot even do simple math. Soros has a net worth of $14B currently, so how can he be $2B in the hole for having spent $7B? If he hadn’t given money away, he’d be worth close to $25B. You think you’ve disproven me, but you’ve only revealed how math-challenged and fact-challenged you are.
Then, as if there were any doubt about your lack of knowledge, you write the following: “and talk about fantasy your description of the currency markets is just that. If you dont believe me as the victims of his Black Wednsday short of the Britsh pound in 1992…”
I worked in the currency markets back then, and made good money doing it. Have you? Given your math skills, it isn’t likely. So please spare me the lecture. And while the loss of purchasing power of Britons versus the French or Germans certainly hurt English tourists visiting the Eiffel Tower or the remains of the Berlin Wall, it actually didn’t cause much by way of import inflation. And it did make exporters from the UK more competitive. But the problem that caused the Pound to depreciate had to do with differential interest rates and non-harmonized economic cycles in the UK versus continental Europe, and that was certainly not Soros’ doing. You need a course in macroeconomic theory. That would be a better use of your time than making stupid comments on this site.
Count,
You wrote: “You are a moron and most everything you have to say is propogandist tripe. I find it highly amusing that you consider any of us to be brainwashed considering your stances on everything.”
Very compelling argument filled with facts and logic. Thanks for taking the high road…
By the way, it isn’t so much that you are brainwashed. That requires causing you to forget knowledge and replace it with propaganda. The problem is that you do not know anything in the first place, so GB and others are just filling up an empty space where the good education and knowledge should have existed but didn’t. It is clear that you don’t know very much about economics or Soros, so Beck’s lies stick rather easily. And your inability to contest what I say, although you seek to attack me with nonsense, only helps to prove my case. What you need is an education, but your stubborness and foolishness cause you to think that calling Soros a deceiver or puppet master seeking to take down western capitalism, which makes him the richest of the rich, is a credible argument, although it is beyond stupid on its face.
Report Post »DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 2:40pmHaha we are being decieved by not being decieved? Its a paradox!!
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 2:43pmHappy,
You first wrote: “Soros’s main capitalist move is to profit by short-selling currencies. It is perfectly in line with his longstanding socialism to earn money by betting against the fiscal responsibility of the capitalist world (of which most states are run by socialists of one form or another). However, this is NOT the point on which Beck calls out Soros. Beck characterizes him as a cynic. One who understands the full consequences of the globalized socialist system he is actively working toward, understands that it’s a complete and utter hoax that fails every time its tried, and only succeeds in replicating the class structure it claims to want to do away with. He knows it will fail, but still wants to move toward it because he thinks he will be on top and profit even more. It will make him even more of a king-maker than he is now. This cynicism is what makes him a deceiver, not necessarily anything he said with soft-ball fellow socialist Zakaria.”
You then wrote:
ABC,
“Can’t speak about you in particular…”
“Of course not, but you condemn here wholesale without merit, hypocrite.”
Wrong. I respond to your words, written by you. That hardly makes me a hypocrite.
“Name the fallacies, half-truths or deception.”
“I did, but you are refusing delivery. Just like you accuse us of doing.
But wait. You already accused of of accusing you of doing the same. So pat yourself on the back you can hold on to the (mistaken) belief that you are one logical step ahead.”
Wrong. I asked for proof of Soros’ deception. You made two claims. First, that Soros bet against the currencies of failed capitalist states, which fits in with his socialism. Second, you claim that he promotes socialism, which he is actively working toward. These are both FALSE. First, it is hardly socialist to operate in currency markets. That is the very definition of a capitalist. He seeks profit, and he eliminates pricing irregularities. This is capitalism 101. If you don’t see this, you really need a remedial course in economics. Your second claim that he is a socialist carries with it no proof. That he supports causes that Beck calls socialist is hardly proof, since Beck is as foolish and ignorant as you. He is hardly the arbiter of what is socialist. So, you see, you clearly haven’t proven much of anything. You also might be arguing, although I cannot tell given how muddled your writing is, that Soros supports socialist elements in a country and then seeks to profit by shorting the currency–a claim others have made. But this is false, as I have argued elsewhere. And without proof, such a claim makes you look foolish, assuming that you are trying to claim as much here.
“Soros makes money going long or short or usually both….”
“Half truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like any billionaire investor he’s got a diversified portfolio. So what? You COMPLETELY missed my point because you’re too interested in defending him to stop your malliterate ramblings. I said his MAIN capitalist move is to short-sell currencies. It’s not about his diversified record or how successful he is at it. It‘s his GOAL that’s the problem. Dash nailed it on the head. Undercutting the Pound the way he did was in SERVICE of something beyond merely personal profit. His donations are in SERVICE of beyond mere “democratic movements” as you call it. And if you think Media Matters is neutral, you’re not just wrong, but you’re a naive buffoon.”
So you too like to revert to claims of mind reading. You harbor special knowledge that Soros really doesn’t want to make billions (who would want that, afterall??) but just wants to promote socialism. The money is a means to the end of promoting marxist-socialist doctrine. Nice. Care to prove any of this?? See, in capitalist societies, we work under the basic working assumption that people seek to increase their wealth for a whole host of reasons, but capital accumulation as an end in itself, is actually the very definition of capitalist societies. Go read Max Weber’s definitive work on the Protestant Work Ethic and you will see how smart people understand the definition of capitalism. But apparently, you don’t know any of this. Instead, you claim to read Soros‘ mind and know that he doesn’t really want the money. He just makes it as a byproduct of his socialism. My head is starting to hurt…
“Soros has given away to causes…to promote democracy”
“Deception. Half-truth. Fallacy. Burden of proof on you to demonstrate: 1. that the “causes” are truly doing that; 2. that when he does “promote democracy” it’s not in service of a larger goal of socializing on a larger scale as I (and Beck) have charged.”
So a big chunk of Soros’ money has gone toward programs to educate people in the former Soviet bloc about western democracy, and to support the rebuilding of civil society, which the Soviets worked so hard to destroy. If this isn’t promoting democracy, I do not know what is. And the irony is that the money going to the groups in the US that Beck laments, since they generally support Dems over the GOP, are a small fraction of the money that Soros has given away.
“much of it has gone to formerly socialist countries that he feels need help making the transition from socialism to democracy. And yet Beck calls him out as a socialist. This kind of talk is total nonsense”
“Fallacy. First of all, socialism is NOT the opposite of democracy. Second of all just because you operate in the capitalist world does NOT necessarily mean you cannot hold socialist beliefs and objectives. It’s you that makes no sense.”
It is not a fallacy because you claim it is. It is a FACT that Soros’ money has largely gone to help emerging democracies. And your little sideshow around socialism versus democracy should not distract. And as for Soros holding beliefs that capitalism’s worst impacts must be mitigated hardly turns him into the bogeyman that you claim he is, nor is he a liar, since he has been very open about his beliefs in this regard. You’ve already forgotten what you sought to prove, since your thinking is so muddled. You have to show that Soros is a liar, but he hasn’t lied about anything. He supports democracies and has put up billions in support of them. He believes that capitalism needs regulation and a safety net, hardly socialistic beliefs, and he’s been open about that as well. yet you continue to claim (falsely) that he is a liar and deceiver. You’re losing track of the argument, so you can hardly claim to be winning it…
“It is under a socialist system that such great wealth cannot be translated into poltiical power.”
“Now you’re just getting dangerously stupid. When the state itself becomes the owner of this “great wealth” of what you speak, only political power remains. The most obvious lessons of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini’s evils have gone completely over your head. But even in incompletely socialist states like Italy, France, etc. the facts just aren’t behind you if you claim that large moneyed interest groups have no great political influence. You stand revealed as a Utopian commie.”
Again, you show muddled thinking. A rich person outside the political establishment, like Soros or the Koch brothers, cannot exert power in a socialist or communist country, nor in a dictatorship that is undemocratic. The Russian oligarchs that crossed Putin went to jail despite their billions, whereas in this country, they influence disproporationate power to set policy. Beck is correct to point out that Soros has power, but he lies about what Soros is doing with that power. He is also a hypocrite for ignoring what the Koch brothers do in support of causes Beck agrees with. But one thing is certain: Beck wouldn’t be calling out Soros unless he had power. And Soros couldn’t exert such power under Mubarek or Hitler or Putin. My head continues to hurt, since this should be obvious, but you see so little…
“His familiy is well connected in business circles in India”
“Fallacy. Just because someone has capitalist friends and family, or even makes a profit for himself doesn’t disqualify him from holding socialist beliefs and goals. Zakaria is a fellow-traveler with Soros and does nothing to challenge him in his questioning.”
Zakaria has written books on democracy and chooses to live and work in a democratic, capitalist country. From this, as well as his family’s background, I infer that he is not a socialist. All you do is make a claim without support that he is a socialist. But then you claim that I am telling lies or half-truths??? How rich is that? Try producing a single shred of evidence that he is a socialist, and perhaps you can have your credibility back. Until then, you are full of it.
“Once again, ABC. Your tripe is not flying here on the Blaze.”
Only if tripe means reasoned, fact-based argumentation, in which case, I sadly will have to agree with you.
Komponist writes:
“I would like to add a little to what Happy has said. You ask what fallacies you have used. Well, here’s one: the Naturalistic Fallacy. Your reasoning appears to run thusly: Good means what liberals support; liberals support democracy, ergo, democracy is good; George Soros supports democracy, ergo he is good.”
Hardly. What I wrote originally, if you simply go back and read it, is that those who call Soros a deceiver have to state the deception. But no one can do it. I have made no claims that I agree with Soros’ ideology or causes. Rather, I do not like to see ignorant fools claiming something that isn’t true, and insisting it is true without any evidence in support of it.
“Well, Is democracy good? Our Founders didn’t think so, so they gave us a Republic instead.”
Okay, you really need help here. We have a representative democracy as the form of government for our republic. You really cannot be that uninformed can you?? You cannot use democracy with direct democracy interchangeably since they are not.
“And Socrates said that “Democracy passes into despotism.”
And that is a great risk, which is why Franklin famously warned a fellow citizen that we will keep our democracy only if you can keep it. But that doesn‘t mean that Socrates or Franklin didn’t want democracy. Rather, they merely recognized the great risks associated with its preservation, and not ones that exist outside the country, but those that come from within.
“So your contention that democracy and socialism are somehow incompatible is quite flawed; in fact, democracy and socialism are quite symbiotic.”
Wow. There’s a non-sequitur. Democracy and socialism are compatible. One relates to rule by the people, direct or otherwise, while the other has to do with ownership of economic assets in society. You are talking about apples and oranges and do not even realize it. By the way, smart guys like Chomsky have written libraries of thought on how you can meld these two concepts together.
“For instance, the Soviets viewed themselves as democratic; from Wiki: The Zhdanov Doctrine (also called zhdanovism or zhdanovshchina…) was a Soviet cultural doctrine developed by the Central Committee secretary Andrei Zhdanov in 1946. It proposed that the world was divided into two camps: the imperialistic, headed by the United States; and democratic, headed by the Soviet Union.”
Using the word democracy doesn’t mean that your government qualifies for it. Go read Orwell‘s 1984 and see how words are used by gov’t to describe something, but in reality that thing is the opposite of its name. He was writing this as a commentary on what the USSR was doing. You need to blog less and read more, so you do not fall into traps that Orwell illuminated years ago.
“And what about the Democratic Socialists? Students for a Democratic Society?”
Those words are meaningless until you know what they seek to describe. You have to think more deeply to impress me. Pointing to empty titles is hardly explaining anything.
“And no, one does not have to precisely lie in order to deceive, only lead someone to believe something that isn’t true, and that does not always require outright lies.”
True, but you still haven‘t said what Soros is leading people to believe that isn’t true. I’m still waiting for a specific example of a deception or of a cause being championed that is wrong or dangerous. Even under this much looser definition of deceiver, you are falling short with your supporting evidence.
“But what do I know, after all, I‘m one of those that you said doesn’t think and isn’t rational…who knows what the naturalistic fallacy is…”
Correct. You confuse democracy and socialism, you fail to produce evidence of Soros’ lie or decption and you take the use of the term “democracy” by Stalinists at face value. These are artifacts of an illogical or uninformed mind. Our democracy deserves better. As long as you can vote, you have a resonsibility to know more than this if you are going to have a say in what kind of government and economy we have. You can be as conservative or as liberal as you want, but you better have command of basic facts and ideas. Otherwise, we might as well throw darts to pick our leaders.
Report Post »Heather Mae 74
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:04pmI thank God every day that I had decent history teachers in school who taught me about our republic and the constitution and I can see every day how the media and folks like Mr. Soros use and deceive young and uneducated Americans for a power and control grab that is against everything that this country stands for.
Report Post »N5DVC
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:08pmLess regulation and lower taxes?? Use me! Deceive me!
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:09pm@ABC wow that was a great debate, now DASH‘s mom won’t let you play
Report Post »with little DASH anymore because you scared him with the facts
I think you own this story.
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:12pm@ABC I am toasting you with my Glenmorangie Lasanta extra matured in sherry casks
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Bee Thomas
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:18pmYes, millions of our fellow Americans are only in this for themselves, while Georg Soros, the Nazi-collaborating jew-collector is the only one thinking about ME. Gag me…
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:29pmIt appears that the only contact info available for George Soros is via his press contact:
aweil@sorosnv.org phone #: 1 212 548-0381
Maybe emails sent addressed: Attn Goerge Soros will land on his desk. Maybe messages for Ol’ George left at that phone # will reach his attention.
Maybe Soros needs to hear directly from Americans that:
Unlike his liberal lemmings, TeaPartiers, Et Al, are REFUSING to be “used and deceived!”
Report Post »waggie
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:32pmYeah Georgie, we‘re all too stupid to understand that we’re being used and deceived. I’d much rather have YOU for a leader. OMG!
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 5:33pmsigh……………..
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:38pmTHENEWMCCARTHY
Posted on February 20, 2011 at 4:26pm
“Koch Brothers Behind Wisconsin Effort To Kill Public Unions (Forbes)”
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I do love them brothers!
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:46pmthegrassroots,
Send mail for Soros to the White House. I would bet large sums of money that he gets it.
http://tinyurl.com/4rv8xsm
Report Post »rochrealtor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:12pmDid he just say something? I saw his lips move! Nothing came out!
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:39am@ABC–
Lose the intellectual snobbery, it doesn’t work on me.
Of course, a Republic is democratic, but ideally only very loosely so; hence, when the Constitution was first written only the House of Representatives was subject to popular election. Unless you know the basic structure of the Roman Republic, you have no idea what the Founders meant by that term, because that was their ultimate model (under the influence of British parlimentarianism, of course).
But what Soros wants is not republican. This what you fail to understand: a republic is democratic, but does not equate democracy.
Now to some of your more unbelievable statements:
“There’s a non-sequitur. Democracy and socialism are compatible. One relates to rule by the people, direct or otherwise, while the other has to do with ownership of economic assets in society. You are talking about apples and oranges and do not even realize it.”
Ummm…so people would never vote for socialism? Democracy and socialism can’t co-exist? That’s news to me…and every socialist that’s ever been elected to office… The point is that very often “democracy” is used as a cover, or tool, for the implementation of socialism (in the name of “the people”), and this is what Soros seems to be doing.
“those who call Soros a deceiver have to state the deception”
Do you always want what is right in front of your face to be pointed out to you?
“Zakaria has written books on democracy and chooses to live and work in a democratic, capitalist country. From this, as well as his family’s background, I infer that he is not a socialist.”
Oh! so I guess Bernie Sanders, Michael Moore, and Lawrence O’Donnell are capitalists, too? So living in a (supposedly) capitalist country makes you de facto capitalist? Since you are obviously unclear as to what a non-sequitur is, this is it! Like Happy said, democracy and socialism are not opposites by any stretch of the imagination, so the fact that Mr. Zakaria has written books on democracy means nothing.
“You confuse democracy and socialism,”
No I don’t. You confuse democracy and capitalism.
“you fail to produce evidence of Soros’ lie or decption”
Again, right in front of you.
“and you take the use of the term “democracy” by Stalinists at face value.”
No I don’t. My point (though perhaps not well stated) was that someone saying they‘re supporting democracy doesn’t make them noble, doesn’t mean they use the term the same way you do, and may not mean anything at all.
“These are artifacts of an illogical or uninformed mind.”
Yes, I disagree with you, so therefore I must be an ignrent rednek hilbilee (non-sequitur again!).
For starters, I’m 20, and I can quote Locke, hum Webern, know what zhdanovshchina was, and know all the major categories of fallacy. Obviously uninformed and illogical! Admitedly, I still I have much more to learn, but I would wager I’m just as informed as you (albeit not in the same areas), and far more logical, as well. (At least, I can read what someone else wrote without jumping to wild conclusions about their intellect simply because they disagree, or because I fail to properly understand what they’ve said…)
“Our democracy deserves better.”
There you go with “democracy”, again. And yet more intellectual snobbery…
Report Post »Linny
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:54amOh, I get it were not brainwashed.
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