Sorry, Occupy: The ‘One Percent’ Pay More in Taxes — and Their Incomes Have Fallen
- Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:00pm by
Becket Adams
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Since this whole Occupy, income-inequality conversation took center stage last year, we’ve heard over and over again that the rich [the so-called “One Percent”] pay less in taxes than everyone else despite the fact that their income levels are at all-time highs.
Is this true? A new report from the Congressional Budget Office would say “not exactly.”
“Let’s consider income first. Between 2007 and 2009, after-tax earnings by Americans in the top one percent for income fell 37 percent. On a pre-tax basis they fell 36 percent in the same period,” CNBC’s Robert Frank writes.
“That may sound like a minor haircut for One Percenters compared to people who lost their jobs. But when you take into account federal transfers, assistance and taxes paid, the incomes of the bottom 20 percent grew by 3 percent, while it fell a modest 2 percent for the middle 20 percent,” he adds.
Translation: Since the start of the recession, the wealthy have seen their incomes fall 18 times more than the incomes of the middle class.
Image courtesy CNBC
“The result of this big drop at the top was that their share of the country’s total income also fell. In 2007, the top one percent earned 16.7 percent of all after-tax income. In 2009, that portion fell to 11.5 percent,” Frank writes.
“Inequality, in other words, fell during those years. We are now in an age of High-Beta Wealth, where the incomes of the One Percent have become far more manic and prone to wild drops than the rest of the country,” he adds.
Okay, fine. But what about taxes paid?
Would you believe us if we told you that although tax-rates for the “One Percent” are at historic lows, the actual amount paid in taxes is higher than it was before the recession?
Image courtesy CNBC
Frank explains:
The One Percent paid an average effective tax rate of 28.9 percent on their income — far more than any other group, and more than twice the average effective rate of the middle class, who paid 11 percent on average.
So the rich lost more income and paid more of their money in taxes than the rest of the population.
Bottom line: We can argue back and forth about the benefits of taxing the wealthy [one side arguing that it’s about “equality” while the other argues about job creation], but facts are the facts. The “Once Percent” has seen its income fall and pays more in actual taxes than before the recession.
“[W]hen politicians and pundits talk about the rich just getting richer and paying less taxes, they need to pay closer attention to the actual numbers,” Frank concludes.
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Comments (91)
Individualism
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:09amits just strange how things work out with the royal family in Saudi Arabia being able to pay for allot of free services without taxing the people and all they got is Oil, we got allot more than that, so i don‘t understand why that can’t be done here.
Report Post »IMAWAKENOW
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 1:24pmWhy should anyone expect anything to be free? EVERYONE SHOULD PAY SOMETHING IN TAXES. The problem is that the bottom 50% pay nothing in income tax. A very large % even get back money for having children. There will always be a small percent that can’t work but I am sick of all the lazy system abusers sitting back telling the producers to pay up, it’s only fair.
Report Post »No work, no eat. If I had my way it would be no work, no vote.
turkey13
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 5:17pmMillionaires and billionaires aren’t dummys.! The kid that just got $ 3 billion on the Facebook IPO looked ar total $ 3 billion bucks – $ 1 billion in taxes roughely = $ 2 Billion in his pocket. – another 30million in city and state = $ 1.7 billion left for life. Give up American citizenship, and pay a small exit fee = 1%, take the thirty Million and buy your own island, wamo and save a whole billion bucks.We have lost lost 141 millionaires already this year that have given up US citizenship and saved a fortune.
Report Post »socialism.rocks
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:19pmfact is capitalism is a allocation tool and thats it
all workers and resources come from the public..
even poor people have the right to the peoples resources… and i could careless what anyone says
its government of we the people
not We the rich nor We the con-Conservative
america is about the collective individual not the individual over the collective true republicanism is out of many one not one out of many do you guys understand comprehend
anyone who is against socialism is against free enterprise cause free enteprise free-markets is everyone deciding not just conservatives or the rich
Report Post »Belchfire V-8
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:06pm“Socialism.Rocks”, I take it that you weren’t taught history, like how socialism almost killed the Pilgrim’s. Socialism removes the desire to excel. Why work hard, when you get the same pay as the lazy moron? Grow up lttle child.
Report Post »Deadbang
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:47pmAt first I thought you had to be kidding, then I noticed your profile picture. “All they have is oil”, is probably one of the understatements of the year. Also you really need to take the fact that the
Report Post »population of the US is more than ten times that of Saudi Arabia.
wntsmallgov
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:13am@Socialism Rocks,
Report Post »I am not sure who taught in public school. But the rights of the individual exceed the rights of the collective. You have it backwards. I am part of the “99%” but I support the 1% and hope one day I will be there. I have the right to allow someone in my house. I have the right to say no to people. I have the right to tell the government to FK Off and do so on occasion.
Just on your statment tells me that your are a commie that supports obama.
TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 7:17amGo ahead Socialismrocks, justify stealing in your head. Everywhere socialism is tried, it fails, because some people just do what they absolutely must to survive, and nothing else. Some people figure out how to make way more than needed, and choose to keep it. And just because you are poor, (if you are), doesn’t mean you made someone else rich. My father in law’s oil is HIS. Not mine, yours, or ours, but his. If he wants to it to be drilled and get paid for it, it is HIS money. My grandfather’s coal was HIS coal. Not yours, not mine, not ours, HIS.
Neither of them have a responsibility or obligation to “SHARE” it or whatever.
And by share, you mean allow the gov’t to forcibly remove, don’t you. He has these resources, that would benefit everyone else, and won’t share, so YOU should get to decide and YOU should use the might and power of the gov’t policing authority to SEIZE from him what is his. Same goes for people with extraordinarily high incomes, doesn’t it.
Maybe that BS works in old imperial china, or tsarist russia, where the people really were basically slaves, but the wealthy there used the gov’t to keep the people down. Oh, kind of like the communists did later, don’t want anyone exceeding their “need.” RIGHT?
The great thing about freedom is you are as poor as you want to be. No one is keeping you down here. Stop trying to take my rights and property away so you can feel good about you.
You and your ilk are nothing more than self righte
Report Post »ryanalicia
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 9:59amwe cant do that because of the enviromental wacos have a choke hold on the govt. our coutry could be so much richer if we dug up the oil. but i believe obama wants america to be poorer. so people like him can have control of us little people
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 2:42pm1—Incomes of more than 100 million Americans who own stocks, funds, 401k, annuities and pensions have gone up since Obama came to office. DJIA has risen from 8000 to almost 13000 under Obama, about a 60% increase in wealth for Americans and their corporations and stocks.—————under gw bush and republicans DJIA DROPPED FROM 11000 TO 8000, huge depletion of wealth for Americans, and b t w, please google this if you doubt!!!
2—DO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN’T HAVE
BASIC FACTS ABOUT WORST GUN MASSACRE IN US HISTORY?
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday said many of the weapons obtained by the shooting suspect in Colorado were obtained illegally and that changing laws won’t prevent gun-related tragedies.
The Christian Science Monitor, an international newspaper, known for objectivity says:
But the firearms that authorities allege James Holmes used to kill 12 people in Aurora, Colo., were obtained legally.
Report Post »Holmes broke no laws when he purchased an assault-style rifle, a shotgun and Glock handgun, and he passed the required background checks.
tommyg524
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:01amhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/#b
Report Post »heres why we are where we are. taxes are needed from everyone to sustain societies.
TEIN
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:15pmTaxes and tariffs yes, PERSONAL INCOME tax no…..that is a wealth distribution tax with Fed. Gov social services attached to justify the tax
Report Post »tommyg524
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 1:35pmagreed.
Report Post »GrayPanther
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:55amToo bad the left wing media dominates. This press corp and their progressive – Marxist friends will never admit they have made a mistake. The OWS movement was started by the Francis Fox Given communist crowd who occupy positions of power in our colleges and universities. Its time to teach our constitution and how free enterprise capitalism works in all public schools from K-12 in age appropriate units. God only knows liberalism and Marxist philosophy is in our schools big time. It wouldn’t hurt for another house – senate un American activity sweep of our government and college systems.
Report Post »SolitudeBliss
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:30amSaid it before, wll say it again: Someone tell me the last time a poor person gave you a job !!!!!
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:32amThe douche bag OWS don’t care about facts because they are democrats/communists. Never met a democrat that did care about facts. They just change the subject as soon as you prove them wrong and stupid. The real problem with democrats is that they have all the stupid people, ugly people, and homosexuals in their party and so they are mad all the time and just want to fight.
Report Post »cosette
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:44amThese stats should bring a smile to the purple lipped imposter in chief. Vote the slug out!
Report Post »oneillptgd
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:06amThe fact of the utopian COMMUNIST dream of controling the means of production. Progressives think they have reached the moment in time to shove forward with their “enlighted elite leaders”. When the barbarians are closing in. Isn’t it time to seek the Lord. 9/11 the world went to church and prayed, humbled themselve under the might Hand of God. It was supperficial and not heart seeking.Will God in His mercy extend it to you today?
Report Post »Living In NYC
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 7:48amI have had choice this for the past two years to buy equipment, pay myself or keep my staff employeed. I have chosen the later….but I make less and have not been able to re-invest in my company as I have done in the past..
In the last 30 days since the New Affordable Health Care tax has been proven to be a true tax..I have seen a total slow down in my customer’s spending, longer aging of receiveable, less sales, more customer fear, more employee fear and companies are holding their liquid captial for the up-coming economic crash!
As a business owner I don’t want to go out of business so I need extra resourses to get me through the next economic downturn which I expect in the next six months and lasting another six months! I am keeping almost two years liquid capital in reserve now….I have work edthirty years to get where I am at and simple economics tell me this nessary.
So no new hires, no new equipment and less salary for me until I see some shift in my revenues!
Report Post »Dano.50
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:18amNYC,
There’s pretty much no point trying to explain this. Most people who aren‘t business owners just don’t understand.
The occunuts have never been taught that successful businesses owners by far reinvest in their business. Money in the bank first is there for the unexpected expenses that crop up every single year as things deteriorate.
And the’s always some employee who trashes some piece of equipment.
A friend of mine runs a machine shop with a computerized lathe so his slacker employee figures he can just start the thing up and leave it cut the piece without supervising. A bearing overheated while he was goofing off and replacing the lathe spinde cost over eighteen grand.
I don’t know if he was fired or not, but the guy sure didn’t pay out of his wages.
Slackers also don‘t seem to realize business owners don’t pay themselves a wage. They take the chance that they’ll earn more money than they spend per year. If they’re right the rewards are EVENTUALLY greater than somebody choosing the security of a job. Security is the trade off for probably not getting rich.
Now,many business owners are just trying to keep their business going, which means keeping and paying employees from years of personal savings.
Maybe these evil business owners should just tell the employees to wait at home, (and not get paid) until things are profitable again.
These occupy clowns want both.
Report Post »hugo65hsv
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 6:22amWell actual facts and numbers don’t matter to liberals, progressives, socialist what ever they call themselves these days.. Only their “feelings” matter… OWS feels they are all owed “free stuff” from society cause their special people.. And those who earn more should pay for it..
Report Post »mersey
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 6:56amThere is a reason liberal/progressives are called Useful Idiots! Facts and figures just gives them headaches.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:03amJust what is a collective? What it looks like to me it is a group, outwardly homogenous, being lorded over by an elite that disdains egalitarian ideals. (peoples temple anyone?) Like an urban gang, where the most ruthless and dangerous members always seek control, and kill to keep it.(Pol pot, joseph stalin,). Welcome to world governance. There will be no dissent. dissenters will be neutralized. This is the “beast” in action. The biggest meanest SOB on the block owns the block, and all the assets. There is no recourse…blood in, blood out.
Report Post »Do you really think that stalin had his people’s interest at heart? Or was he using them as tools to further Marxism? Did He espouse Marxism for the utopian dream it presented or did he use it to keep power? Human nature being what it is, I believe it is the latter that drives these individuals.
I don’t think Obama is smart enough to be counted among the worst, but whoever it is that has put him where he is today, IS a genius the likes of which the world has never seen. The king of this world is claiming his unholy reign, and it will be a chaotic, bloody mess till the end.
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:04pmHe’s only been in the spotlight for 4 years. Give him time. Someday he may yet be in such an unholy pantheon.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:10amOh, c’mon BLAZE!!
You’re spewing facts! Now you’re going to short circuit the brains of every Lefty on this board, and things will get p-r-e-t-t-y boring for the rest of the night while they tranquilize themselves back to their idea of reality…
…nice going…sheesh…
Report Post »StraightDave
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:24pmMaybe the top 400 or the 1% should stop paying taxes and get out to let the bottom feeders fend for themselves.
Report Post »rightwinglefty
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:07pmThe thing these tools don’t get is that the “middle class” does not want to be in the middle class. They want to join the upper class. The lower class I would think would also aspire to the upper class. Middle class is only transitory for those that have the most vision and work to fulfill that vision. Obama and his communist minions don’t get it. The ruling class in Red China does not follow the same rules as the “middle class”. Only in America are there no limits. I do not understand why anyone would limit themselves or allow others to limit them.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:16amThere really is no such thing as “class” in our economic system. EVERYBODY has an equal opportunity to go to school, learn something, and start a career as an employee or employer…unless of course, their progress is retarded by Liberalism/Leftist Dogma; in which case there is little hope save for the elitists and their off-spring…right Chelsea?
Society’s like India have classes – there, if your born into a certain class, you will probably be KEPT there. In socialist/communist countries, all you have to do is surrender your soul to the State, and you might be allowed to get a little ahead of the rest.
Report Post »obfuscatenot
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:57amSpot on Rightwinglefty….They are cutting off their noses to spite their face, and they are too ignorant of history to understand. Isn’t it sad? This is social jihad, this is a cancer given to our country from our public schools. An ignorant and hungry population are easier to control, because they NEED the state. That is the plan, and keep them dumb and happy with their free cell phones….they’ll keep voting their own destruction.
Report Post »And Woodyee you are sooo verry right about equality in our country! But who is it that keeps beating the drum of the “rich gotta pay their fair share”, and “you didn’t build that”. Hmmm?
Jaycen
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 5:57am@woodyee
Great point. The so-called classes in America are an artifical construct. The range of income earners are broken into 5ths, in terms of their income, not in terms of size of population. It’s an extremely skewed way of looking at things.
As if everyone who makes between $50K and $90K per year thinks the same way, or spends their money the same way, or even that purchases affect them the same way. At $80K annual salary, a $500 purchase is out of the question unless it’s a huge emergency. Even then, I’m not sure I could swing it most of the time. But then, I have a family of 5, two of whom are daughters in their late teens.
You going to tell me that just because the amount my family earns in a year, you know something about me, or anyone else for that matter? Anyone who does can go to hell.
Report Post »FrankJHornik
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:58pmWhat…the rich are getting poorer and paying more in taxes..that explains how Obummer can say the private sector is doing fine… because that was the plan to begin with.
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:15pm@ray
Report Post »Didn’t mean to step on your toes…beat me to it…
exiturbubble
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:05pmI was alive during the Clinton administration and the Bush era after that and I saw what had happened. Obama didn‘t do a whole bunch to make things better but it sure as hell didn’t get worse like it did in eight years Mr. Bush. now I‘m guessing Romney’s going to skate through this and win this election because he has more media power and more money behind him anybody ever had so I think we’re going to have the best president money can buy. I guess we’ll just wait and see what happens when the “job creators have all their money and then the job doers caAmin maybe finally talk some sense into the right wing. it’ll take a while I think commonsense is out of the vocabulary of the right side. How many times do you have to live the same thing over and over to see what works and what does not .work. whoever wins whatever we do I think we need to realize that we are all on the same beautiful marble in the universe and we need to learn to get along and agree to disagree. back in Limbaugh would not agree I am sure.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:35pmExiterbubble, yeah 5% unemployment really sucked under Bush……
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:53amEXIT:
Report Post »Please explain the comment “best president money can buy”. Obama is going for 1 billion for his election. That money comes from liberals, ACORN, New Black Panthers, muslim organizations and unions. They are trying to buy the presidency for a foreigner.
Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 1:12amI’ve been in the rock n roll biz now for over 40 years. I never wrote a hit song and no band I have been a member of ever got famous, but, I always kept a longshot hope that it could, and that kept me in the game. I guess I am a dreamer, but, after all, this is America, right? Talent gets noticed but a fellow needs a bit of good fortune….I suppose that sort of America is obsolete, and does not fit with your collective aspirations. Son, you need a breath mint.,…I can smell your teeth a mile away…
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:39amOh by the way, I dispute that we are all on the same ‘marble’ floating in space. You and I…. are several worlds apart. First, I am a boomer, and grew up in a world you can not imagine. We actually trusted one another. We found what we loved and were allowed to work to achieve our own dreams. We were held accountable for our own choices and that made us stop and weigh reward and risk. Moral responsibility was very important, and relative morality had not been defined. We had fun that was not destructive or licentious. I have known freedom that you can only read about, and that is what made the U.S. the greatest nation the world will ever know. I know you want it gone, but my life is testimony that we had it right. We could never have lost it without our nemesis being a supernaturally evil being, murderously jealous of our happiness, and closeness to God in the name of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »America will fall, and you and your buddies will kill all who defy you, (people of faith). And the world will then collapse into a pit of depravity that will consume nearly all the population of the world. We will all be waiting for you to join us, and you will of course.
“till then, Max
DenisWTexas
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:49amExit, don’t forget that during those 8 years of Mr. Bush, many of the government policies implemented were formulated by Mr. Reid, Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Dodd, Mr .Frank, etc.
That’s what fascinates me about all the “blame Bush” crowd. They don’t ever realize that by saying that those 8 years were what caused the problem, they are saying that LIBERAL policies were the reason we got here. This “make the banks give everyone a house they can’t afford so that we can eventually own the banks and the houses when it all crashes” plot was started in the Clinton administration and had us swimming upstream for years trying to prevent the inevitable. And look where it got us. Obamacare, for all the destruction it will do, was first pushed by Hillary Clinton back before Bush. I’m not saying Bush was a terrific president on issues of economy and planning, but he sure as heck wasn‘t the reason we’re in this mess. Liberals have been guiding the economy for decades, and THAT is why we have 8.3% unemployment, downrated credit, millions of foreclosures, and a falling GDP.
Report Post »perry1980
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:05pmthis might as well be a pic of some
Report Post »n.korean does no look like any american we know
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:46pmThe left is only hurting themselves when they say things like the rich dont pay taxes. Cause when the left says it. they are talking about the guy down the street who worked hard and owns a business or the doctor or lawyer who makes a couple million. This is America we reach for the skys. What we ALL should be mad about is the big six mega banks and the crony capitalism corporations who they own and finance. These mega banks have hijacked our economy and inturn our country. The military is owned by them thru the military industerial complex. It is not a standing army that is a threat, it is the multi-national fortune 10 who dont give a ish. Who hijacked the issuance of our currency in 1913 that we should be mad at. Not the millionaires, not even all the billionaires. You should be able to make as much money as you want. Its the 0.01% The elites who try to control every aspect of our lives. To see the country who controlled 40% of the worlds wealth with 2% of the worlds population(in the hands of the people, not the NWO) be hijacked is sick. We were asleep. Eisenhower warned of the military industerial complex in his farewell address. We did not listen. As many of you know times are only going to get worse before it gets better. Make your voices heard so we may spread the light on these dark forces. Maybe we can stop this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shdCBxLRH9Y
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 2:25amSo correct. but the saving part is not probable, if possible. That .01%, be they bilderbergs, illuminatti, masons, sultans, or whatever they are, have been planning this heist for generations. They put in place a satanically inspired infrastructure that has begun to bear fruit in abundance. Not only in this country but the world over.
Report Post »The parts of this structure that we can see or comprehend is the tip of an iceberg of corruption and blasphemy that will surely murder those it cannot enslave. Don’t get distracted by hope in this world age…..it is drawing to an end. The hope of the elect is NOT of this world.
RaydocX
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:44pmI am delighted those graphics say ‘CNBC’ but i doubt the talking heads will admit to what those statistics show.
they certainly won’t be able or willing to extrapolate back to how President Reagen increased tax revenues by decreasing taxes on tax payers… that would force them to admit they and the farce they have been backing were wrong.
someone tell Randi Roadkill CNBC demonstrated trickle down economics did work.
if there is another hit to the 1% like they have endured, the non tax payers will find out the hard way that they have that ‘1%‘ to thank for even the government teat they’ve been working.
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:37pm“Not Exactly” sounds like a yes to me.
You can’t prove facts about the top 1% by showing statistics for the top 20%
In 2007, the top one percent earned 16.7 percent of all after-tax income. In 2009, that portion fell to 11.5 percent,” is not evidence that incomes fell.
That chart doesn’t show that the amount of tax paid is higher.
What it does show is the share of taxes paid by the bottom 20% grew 20% and the tax burden is being shifted onto the backs of the poor.
Report Post »RaydocX
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:47pmwhat are you smoking? almost FIFTY PERCENT of the population pays NO TAX. so claiming a shift to the bottom 20% is factually inaccurate, but you knew that, leftist troll.
chanting it incessantly won’t make it true, and because the truth is contrary, if you realize the world you claim to want you’ll learn too late wishes do not make lies come true
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:55pmBut, but, but
Report Post »50% already don’t pay any federal taxes…..what do you want 70%?
That’s what will happen if you raise taxes on anyone making over 250 thousand during recession.
You must be a socialist that believe what’s mine is mine and whats not mine should be.
Jeffersonian in CA
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:31pm@Marybuth
Report Post »You’re a nincompoop! People here do not believe the leftist lies propogated by the media. If you are truly sincere, please educate yourself so you can be aware of what is happening to our Country and then become part of the solution.
FloridaFarmGirl
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:42pmAre you from New York?
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 2:18pmMaryBethElizabeth…..AKA (Liawatha) AKA (Elizabeth Warren) LMAO !! Go back to Cambridge, you brain dead, useless sack of protoplasm !!
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:36pmthe left sdosent care about actual facts. this is class warfare. its designed to divide so those at the top can gain more power from the self entitled masses who need a scapegoat for their own failures. hitler did the same thing with the jews and rich. its very easy. convince the slave that his enslavement is for his own good. offer a few shiny bobbles, stroke their ego, give them a villan and tell them that if they would just turn over their freedom, then the bad guy gets punished and they would get cool free stuff. its not rocket science and its not new, its thousands and thousands of years old and only the ‘progressive’ leftist thinks it works. The left is the chicken demanding the farmer let the wolf in the henhouse
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:22amThe left thinks this lucifer is still the light bearer. What they don’t understand is that he has been cast down and what was light in heaven, is heat here. Scorching, consuming HEAT!! This dichotomy is the reason the Christian faith is being attacked. We can actually SEE the difference, and since satan’s self image can no longer be supported in reality he is attempting to alter reality, by destroying all that know him for what he is.
Report Post »This is a story thousands and thousands of years old. It has a beginning, a middle and an end. Understanding this story, has been the life’s work of many. Until recently, only a few men in history, have had access to the information needed to comprehend the incredibly subtle plot line. Today,, though buried deep in a mountain of civilization’s intellectual detritus, it is available, en toto. Ironically, very few modern men have the capacity or will to seek it.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:33pmDid not someone on the left say “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is closed to reality,” just a few years ago? Say the same one who decided the island of Okinawa would capsize?
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:52pmThe island was Guam. The representative was afraid that Guam would tip over and fall into the Marianas Trench, the deepest place on the entire planet. This was the same time period where that other progressive wanted to know when we were going back to Mars……………..
Report Post »1proud_Texan
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:29pmLiberals will never let those silly facts get in the way.
Report Post »Wdawg
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:27pmWe need to be nicer to the rich in this country! They have seen an 18% loss in income. We need to end Disability checks and Welfare!
Report Post »stumpy68
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:20pmSome need Disability and there is a difference between ssi which
Report Post »anyone even those who never worked can collect and ssdi
the insurance that is paid for with the withholding’s from your paychecks
i truly wish people would stop lumping them together,
i was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy and heart problems
years ago so much for working construction without sdi i would
be homeless and unable to move i take 30 plus pills a day to keep me functioning
and if you think im living well i dare you to live on less than 700 a month.
Obama_Sham
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:58amSorry WDAWG… If welfare was discontinued, how would you live?!?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 1:43amDawg it really does not matter… the nation cannot be saved from the immoral pit that progressive collectivists have dug where the United States of America once stood. You and your ilk ( I like that word..ilk) will surely take over the damned world. It is written. You truly deserve to live the rest of your life trying to make your deranged, deviant and disgraceful utopian dreams real. Bend over, now and let the new order give you what you think you want.
Report Post »There will be some who don’t think I am talking like a Christian, but I discern that you and others like you (ilk, ilk) have made a deal with the king of this world, and don’t even get another chance to be absolved, in this age. Too proud of yourself, and your own understanding.
You do get to look at yourself in contrast with Christ very soon. Very soon, indeed.
You want a lifeline….
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/
socialism.rocks
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:12pmlol people saying they are christian without christian morals and values…
you can not worship god and money
make your choice capitalism or god
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:02pm“Show me what you treasure most. There also is your heart.”
It’s not a sin to want to be successful. But if you love money more than God, then yes, that’s a sin, because money is only important in this life. Money is ephemeral, and this life passes in the blink of an eye compared to eternity.
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:26pmLiberals don’t like the FACTS….can’t wait to hear the but, but, but card….
Report Post »ricckky
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:20pmThere won’t be any tax revenues left if this bozo keeps ruining the country!!!! How can people be so stupid not to see through this lying phony!!!!!
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:33pmWhat the average American doesnt understand is the left doesnt want some people to pay more taxes than others…They are angry that some people have the ability to pay more….Their goal is to use government regulations to make sure there are no rich people in the future….everyone equal…if that means living in equal poverty then sobeit.
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