Faith

Southern Baptists Back a ‘Clean’ Version of the DREAM Act

Southern Baptists Back a Clean Version of the DREAM ActIf it’s presented in a “cleaner” form, the DREAM Act — the controversial bill that would provide illegal immigrants who were brought to America as children with a path to earn legal status — has support from the world’s largest Baptist denomination.

According to Richard Land, who serves as the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Liberty Commission, the group could back the proposal with some conditions. To gain SBC support, the law would need to be amended to prevent the young adults benefitting from it from using their newfound status to help their relatives enter the country — or gain legal status. Listen to Land talk about these views with FOX News’ Alan Colmes:

These issues were outlined in a letter Land sent to Sen. Charles Schumer of New York and Sen. John Cornyn of Texas (both men serve on the Senate’s subcommittee on immigration).

In explaining the commission’s position to the subcommittee, Land wrote: “The children of undocumented immigrants who were brought here by their parents should not be forced to bear the full penalty of their presence in the nation illegally. To consign them to lives often-times bordering on poverty levels for actions in which they had no part is too severe a penalty.”

The often politically conservative group earlier this month passed a resolution at its annual meeting in Phoenix advocating a path to legalization for non-criminal illegal immigrants, but it did not mention the DREAM Act specifically.

That resolution also called on the government to prioritize border security and hold businesses accountable for their hiring. And it called on Southern Baptists to minister to all people and to reject bigotry and harassment toward all people, regardless of their country of origin or immigration status.

The Associates Press contributed to this report.

(h/t The Huffington Post)

Comments (175)

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  • the hawk
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:48am

    dREAM ACT= 10 MILLION Dem votes ! Game OVER !
    gest worker only, and national ID to vote!
    IF you came illegal charged felony 6yrs probation, learn english to take citizan test!
    NO VOTEING FOR FELIONS, BUT FREEDOM TO SEEK HAPPINESS!
    OR GO THE FUNK HOME ! Better deal than I COULD GET ANYWHERE ELSE(Canada,France, Mexico)
    NEED
    nOT
    rEPLY
    reply No WORKY!

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  • vennoye
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:41am

    Well, I wondered if the 44th had roped in any more “Faith” organizations when he quoted: Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
    Sure would be wonderful if people did not take 1 verse out of context to sell their agenda with it. The word in Hebrew means 01616. ger, gare or (fully) geyr (gare); from 1481; properly, a GUEST; by implication, a foreigner:–alien, sojourner, stranger.
    Don’t consider illegal immigrants guests!

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  • SPOT_OF_TEA
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:40am

    And I would imagine that they are preaching social justice at this church.Thank you Glenn Beck for teaching me that.

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  • the hawk
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:35am

    who likes the new blaze format? anyone ? I THINK IT SUCKS!
    bET YOU CANT REPLY! WE USE TO BE ABLE TO KINDA CONVERSATE
    NOT NOW!

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 7:03am

      @THE HAWK ~~~
      I’m just testing the waters here to see if I can “reply” to you or not. Let’s see if this works!

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  • cheezwhiz
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:31am

    That resolution also called on the government to prioritize border security and hold businesses accountable for their hiring
    ——————–
    1. Why would this regime want to secure our country ?
    2. How can businesses hire legal workers when the regime will NOT:
    a. enforce e-verify
    b. punish illegals using stolen IDs
    c. refuse welfare+ WIC+ foodstamps+ free housing+ free school+ free college+ free medical+ voting rights + DL to illegals
    d. verify illegal status of criminal illegals
    e. deport illegal alien criminals
    3. When we give full citizenship freebies+rights to anchor babies, we have slit our own throats for ever

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  • flagbearer
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:29am

    Bleeding hearts for “children” are ruining this country. They are here illegally. Send them back where they came from, as we owe them NOTHING. They have already received a free education thanks to the taxpayers of this nation. Let them put blame where the blame should rest, on their parents. If they want to live in America, let them enter through the same means as has thousands of welcomed legal aliens. Let them return to their legal countries and work to improve them, not sit in ethnic classes ranting and raving about the wicked United States. No pity for them, and totally disagree with the Southern Baptists.

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  • iheartusa
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:28am

    go to http://www.numbersusa.com and help make a difference in this crazy immigration mess!

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  • greenturtle
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:26am

    This is scary! This baptist does not agree with this at all. This is wrong… “when wrong becomes right… ” watch out.

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  • ohyaok
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:17am

    I want to be able to reply to other comments like we could before. Thats my comment.

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  • beverlee
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:15am

    “…and to reject bigotry and harassment toward all people, regardless of their country of origin or immigration status.”

    Well, my country of origin is the USA and my status is legal…so will someone do something about the bigotry and harassment I receive from foreign born illegals who protest in this country against people who believe in following the laws of this great nation?

    While I have compassion for children of illegals, if this government would not let illegals stay here illegally, have children in hospitals they don’t pay for, take up space in schools they don’t pay for, and are supported by a government they do not honor and respect…we would not have to go through this time and again.

    CLOSE THE BOARDERS AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!

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  • icarus1986
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:11am

    well this southern baptist didn’t support it. If you didn’t do it legally go back and get in line.

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    • Delores at CH WV
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:59am

      This Southern Baptist does not support this man’s take over of my religion. Ministers of GOD and JESUS should teach the BIBLE and get themselves out of politics ………..THIS progressive man needs to get out of my religion ……I am not leaving he should. He should read his Bible about joining the DEVIL’s AGENDY!

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  • Ghandi was a Republican
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:10am

    It sounds reasonably fair – But who gets the FRONT door slammed in their face? If they have a 5 year record as a taxpayer with the IRS so we know they aren’t faming the jobs under the table AWAY from our youth (minority and otherwise) then maybe okay.
    The either side of it is Mexico will never solve it‘s problems if it’s citizens just run away.
    This truly is more of an Exploitation issue on the behalf of progressives/Democrats then it is a humanitarian issue. What possible reason could make progressive exploitation want to see Mexico succeed? NONE! And the progs will always point away the blame to anyone as a distraction for their exploitative deeds – making them doubly evil.

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  • Seabass417
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:10am

    This is a difficult issue. I used to get very angry at illegal immigration, but I’m much more ambivalent now. My libertarianism only extends so far and I still find myself slightly bothered by the anti-American sentiment expressed by some immigrants. I favor expanding legal immigration to make it easier for Mexican nationals who want to become Americans to do so, but I still find myself opposed to blanket amnesty for those who immigrated illegally.
    My libertarian conversion has curbed a lot of the anger I had at the disturbing feeling that my culture was being displaced, but I don‘t think it’s wrong or racist to feel that way. It’s a natural feeling that Mexicans or any other country would feel if the situation were reversed.

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    • abbygirl1994
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:00am

      Every illegal male Mexican I ever knew did not want to become American citizens.. they just want free everything. They brag about the jobs they have and how white men won’t work them. They send a lot of their money back to their families in Mexico, so American money supports Mexico. I am always amazed at people who just can’t get the concept of the word ILLEGAL! I have seen Mexican get free health care, and yet our poor are turned away. A illegal I know had his knees replaced, yet a person I know who lives on 18.000 a year who is an American cannot have the same surgery. I have seen Mexican women with 5 or 6 kids in tow, with expensive cars, well dressed, hair styyled, nails done using food stamps. I medicaid cards for meds. When will American’s wake up and figure out that this country is in debt up to their eyeballs and alot of it is because of illegals, Now they want us to educate them so they can remain in this country. Well I say if their parents came here illegal then there children born here are every bit as much illegal as the parent. Why are our children forced to learn spanish in grade school.. to make illegals feel more comfortable. Excuse me but my ancestors came here legally and they had to learn english. Our government then did not say you have to learn Norwegian to make them feel at home. My as well face it people our government ruined this country and it is no ones fault but their own. Our fault id for voting them back in over and over again. God Bless the U

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:49am

      The solution is to send the entire family back to Mexico. The parents snuck in, and had babies on American soil, when they didn’t have any right to do so. Mexicans, take you babies back to Mexico, where they belong.

      Grow up and CHANGE the Government of Mexico. Why should Mexicans be under the rule of drug cartels, and corrupt Government Officials? Be the adults you’re supposed to be.

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    • Marylou7
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 5:25am

      I find it repulsive to give blanket amnesty to people who by their own actions show they hate this country. Why do they protest in our streets with Mexican flags and signs filled with anger slogans against America. WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE send these people back to the countries they declare to love so much, NOW!!

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 7:07am

      @MARYLOU7~~~ I agree with you!

      ILLEGAL IS illegal, period. Tough that they had kids here. Whole family goes back home. NOW!

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    • Bill in Texas
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:53am

      What would happen if let’s say the Dream Act is passed and all of the parents of these children are sent back to their country of origin? Would anyone be willing to open their home to these innocent children and teach them what America is really all about? I would.

      Or maybe allow the whole family to stay with work permits for the parents so they can care for the kids and pay taxes until the children reach the age of 18 and then the parents would have to return to their country of origin. The kids would be given an option of staying or leaving with their parents at that time.

      Just some ideas…..

      This problem won’t go away quickly and all of the politicians are going to sing to their bases and keep telling them what they want to hear while continuing to do nothing.

      Take care and God Bless America!

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    • Bill in Texas
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:55am

      Are you the Buff driving SEABASS?

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  • GadsdenPatriot
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:08am

    There is a “clean” version, it’s called, get in back of the line.

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  • cheezwhiz
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:07am

    Hey whatever happened to the
    ‘separation of Church and State ” thingy ?

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    • GadsdenPatriot
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:13am

      Lefty‘s don’t stand for anything but “me, me, me.” Everything is subject to change relative to this fundamental flaw.

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    • bkh333
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:37am

      The Separation of Church and state has been so bastardized its not funny its original intent was to insure the Gov. did not interfere with the Church not the other way around.

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    • bkh333
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:44am

      I just got the blaze and so far it looks like a extension of the National Enquirer like the commercial says wheres the beef well wheres the substance who cares if the Wimbledon counter shrieks to load this is supposed to be news not gossip I think we want real substance like more on why the world is burning. If you want to do fluff stories give us the truths on History or how toos like how to make beer how to make wine how to grow food how to make electricity how to be self reliant etc… Just My Opnion

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    • Delores at CH WV
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:03am

      Goodbye, the Blaze is a great news source. It is a good Friday night for you to get out of your basement. LOVE GB TV………Love it………..the Blaze too!

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    • sissykatz
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 6:09am

      Well I really think he may be on to something……. It sounds like on this board i am the only one. We are goiing to have to secure the borders to keep more from coming in, there is absolutely no way any thing can work until then. But who is gioing to send these people back to Mexico.???? No on will send 12million back to mecico. So you put the ones that are here to work and pay their restitution and right to file for citizenshipl after the background checcks I am sure thene well be many many that will be exported. But I think it could be workable. No one in going to send these people home so we have to make the work and start earninga right.

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    • UPSETVET
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 6:42am

      This movement by the SBC leadership has NO MERIT. “Don’t punish the innocent children” is their rally call. Hey, American citizens are not responsible for what their parents did. Blame the parents that came to the USA illegally. The majority of illegal immigrants come to the USA hoping that through their children they will someday be granted amnesty and eventual citizenship.

      As an Independent Baptist missionary I legally moved our family to Brazil in 1974. For the past 37 years I’ve lived in Brazil with my wife as permanent residents, not citizens. My youngest son, who was 8 years old when we arrived in Brazil, has a permanent resident visa, not citizenship. He is married to a Brazilian and has two children born in Brazil. They have been granted American citizenship based on their father’s American birth. They have dual citizenship, Brazilian and American. My son does not have a dual citizenship although he has a “Brazilian” family”. So, why should children of illegal immigrants be granted immunity and citizenship ? Most other countries do not give citienship to illegal immigrants. Believe there are millions of illegals living and working in Brazil.

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  • Mr. Oshawott
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:06am

    If I were to find myself entering in a church that supports illegal immigration, I would immediately depart from it and find a new one. This is religion colluding with politics – never a good thing.

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  • neiman1
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:06am

    A solution presented in honesty with politics not involved. To secure the border, prevent hiring of illegals, and to accept the children that only know America as home is a comprehensive solution. This will be rejected by the open borders crowd, the total amnesty crowd, and all those trying to find divisiveness instead of solutions. Just about everyone.

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    • TulsaYeeHaw
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 10:54am

      We don’t need a “comprehensive” solution. Put the military on the border, create a buffer zone, and fire on anyone crossing without permission. Then fine the living hell out of companies who hire illegals, and send to prison for LIFE anyone helping them attain fake ID’s. Comprehensive not required, nor is a 1500 page bill.

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  • endgamer
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:03am

    They are also here for cheap labor.. Who’s gonna pick tomatoes, slaughter the chickens, hogs and cattle? Illegals! They have no rights, are paid off the books, and like it that way. Watch the movie Food inc. You will then realize why they want the borders WIDE OPEN!!

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  • Rictexas
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:01am

    Not this 5th generation Southern Baptist. The money changers at the SBC, like the Catholic Church, continually need new revenue sources.

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  • Dougral Supports Israel
    Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:00am

    I get really fried by this stuff. Its nice to be nice to poor innocent children but when do I get a break? Because I have saved, limited my debt, and made sure I can take care of myself. I will be milked by the government to pay for their bailouts, for people who can’t pay their mortgages or healthcare. Now it will be thrust upon me to pay for the offspring of illegal aliens. Enough is enough, dang it.

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  • RN MOM
    Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:55pm

    Close the borders!!!!! Enough with this garbage. They come here as criminals, aided and abetted by our politicians, all for new democrats to fill the voters box.

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    • frodis
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:59pm

      You couldn’t have said it any better. It’s all about votes. The jobs excuse is a joke. Unemployment is so bad right now yet they want to add 20 million illegals to add to that burden? And to heck with Mexico’s president. He jails illegals in his country but expects us to take his in no questions asked. The hypocrisy.

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    • Wayne
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 5:57pm

      You are right, let them go home and come in the legal way, these people are outlaws plain and simple if we enter another country we would be in jail are shoot. Mexico is sending all their trash up here so we nhave to feed them, give them insurance,furnish them a home, social security along with food stamps.

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  • cheezwhiz
    Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:49pm

    And it called on Southern Baptists to minister to all people and to reject bigotry and harassment toward all people, regardless of their country of origin or immigration status.
    ————-
    Are there any records / complaints of the Southern Baptist actually refusing to minister to mexican illegals ? Any proof ?

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:53pm

      Kind of like Sharia law. Its not here but watch out for it.

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    • spotster
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 10:02am

      look at dearborne moron

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    • TheCenturion
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:58pm

      Enforcing our immigration laws is not bigotry. NO DREAM ACT —— ANY and ALL elected officials who vote for it will be targeted for defeat in their re-election campaign.

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    • GulfPeg
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 10:22am

      You can bet your bottom dollar on that!

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    • mompatriot
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Amen!!!

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  • nomercy63
    Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:49pm

    We can move all the illegals to their houses!!!! I smell religious income at the heart of this one!! The money changers in the temples are busy again!

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    • silentwatcher
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:49am

      I’m finished with the Blaze,,,,,and the b.s. antics they are now pulling with not being able to post. You won this one Huffpo ho. I’ll get on Becks blogs. you can kiss my arse.

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    • RayOne
      Posted on July 4, 2011 at 5:54am

      Yes, sir re bob.

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    • gdog1111111
      Posted on July 4, 2011 at 11:22am

      We either need to stop this cancer or shut up, curl up in the corner and die.

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  • legendarytwo
    Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:49pm

    Keep your butt out of politics. You are an idiot not an evangelical. Get a call from Obama?

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    • GulfPeg
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 10:19am

      I’m sure he did! I also think that they got a nice big FAT donation. Also, these illegal immigrants that are evangelicals also tithe! The Catholic church also wants the illegals here. I wonder why?!? (not really…)

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  • TheCenturion
    Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:44pm

    I knew there was a reason I left the Baptist church.

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:03am

      THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN VERSION OF ANY BILL THAT GOES THROUGH THE CONGRESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DEMS CONTROL THE SENATE. JUST LOOK AT THE HEALTH CARE LAW.

      There are better ways to fix the illegal immigration in the US. The Dream Act is not it. The next president will have to deal with it. And it won’t be fixed with a Democrat President.

      Especially when you have morons like MSNBC’s Chris Matthews who compares people like Bill Clinton to Jesus: http://tiny.cc/4m8hv

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    • drattastic
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:11am

      Sounds like the S.Baptist are trying to cut into the Catholic’s action ,more butts in the pews equal MONEY,MONEY,MONEY,MONEY……………MONEY.Can I get an amen brother !

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    • CatB
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:09am

      Nothing “clean” ever comes out of Washington D.C. !!!!

      Now the Southern Baptists are going liberal like the United Methodist’s … going to have to start a new church .. how about PATRIOTS FOR GOD?

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    • Kansas Mom
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:32am

      I’m glad that I left too.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 3:26am

      If a Democrat introduces the bill, I’m against it.

      The borders need to be secured first, and the TSA needs to stop its unconstitutional searches of Americans.

      Show me one American who hijacked a plane to fly into the buildings on 9/11, and I’ll show you a dead foreign national radical Muslim.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 6:12am

      The Southern Baptist Convention has been hijacked in certain places by Leftist Progressives just like the Unions have been with Communists. These few do not represent Southern Baptists as a whole even though they may think they do just because they passed some resolution at a meeting even thought the majority of Southern Baptists don’t even know they supported this and once they find out will probably cause huge divisions for these peoples support of illegals just like when Richard Land came out saying he represented Southern Baptists in support of the ground zero Mosque a comment he had to later retract because people were upset that he proclaimed to represent them as a whole instead of expressing his viewpoint. Richard Land should be fired from his position immediately and has done nothing but damage the Southern Baptist Convention. This is also true of Paul Jiminez who was one of the crimmigrant supporters in the Southern Baptist Convention who compared our immigrations law that are being passed to being inhumane and allowing exploitation. How dare someone have the audacity to stand up for criminals and when we humanely try to enforce our laws they label the citizens of this country as inhumane exploiters. These people are a disgrace and should be removed from the Southern Baptist convention.

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    • Jackers
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 6:47am

      The overwhelming majority of the American people have clearly expressed over and over again their absolute opposition to amnesty of any sort.

      It is far past time that our self-serving political “representatives” stop representing global corporations, unions and special interest groups and start representing the majority will and best interests of the American people.

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    • Redd
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 7:00am

      commie attempts at legalizing hussein dunham…
      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=317705

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    • sWampy
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 8:17am

      The Baptist, Methodists, Catholics, etc all all more worried about their tax free status, and money coming in than they are doing their job of saving souls and helping the poor in their own communities. If they had spent the last 50 years saving souls, feeding the poor, educating kids, instead of building fancy buildings, paying their pastors at rates 5x that of their average family in their communities, and protecting their tax free status, we would living in a much, much better world today.

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 5:48pm

      These don’t look like any of the SBs I know. These guys look like a soros funded bunch of loons.

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    • mdlwoods
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 4:10pm

      To all of you who are bashing the Southern Baptist for this, I want each of you to think what it would be like to be brought into a foreign country when you were, say 6 months old. You grow up here and you go to school here and you maybe get a college degree here. But, through no fault of your own because your parents brought you here illegally, you are suddenly jerked back to say, Mexico, where you can barely even speak the language, much less understand the culture. You find that you can get a job in a car part factory earning about 7 dollars a day. But you can’t find a place to live for less than $150.00 a month (you do the math). You think that is fair? I agree totally with the SBC. Give these people, who are American in everything but on paper, a chance to become citizens easily and quickly, but limit it to them only, not every relative they have in Mexico or here illegally.

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