Southern Baptists Fall Prey to Elaborate Gay Marriage Hoax
- Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:07am by
Billy Hallowell
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Some people out there are vehemently unhappy with the Southern Baptist Convention’s (SBC) take on gay marriage. One “group” was so unhappy with the organization’s stance that it decided to launch an elaborate Internet hoax. The prank, which was carried out on Tuesday, has left Baptist officials scratching their heads.
The plot included a fake web site, news releases — even a phone number — all intended to falsely convince reporters and the public that America’s largest Protestant denomination had changed its stance on gay marriage. FOX News has more:
The release was sent to an unknown number of reporters and directed readers to a website designed to replicate the real Southern Baptist Convention website, along with working telephone numbers where individuals identified themselves as employees of the SBC Executive Committee…
The news release came from a group calling itself the “Southern Baptist Conference of America.” The release falsely announced that the Southern Baptists had met in “extraordinary emergency session” to affirm gay rights and repent “of any past homophobia that not only hurt gay people but kept them ostracized from the church.”
The scheme was so extensively planned out that it even included fake quotes from actual denomination officials. Additionally, upon calling the posted phone number, reporters reached individuals who claimed to be staff members — even interns — for the SBC.
Denomination President Bryant Wright had affirmed his belief that the attacks came as a result of the religious group’s ongoing opposition to same-sex marriage. According to FOX, he said:
“I have a hunch that maybe somebody that was unhappy with our ongoing stand for sexual purity decided to set up this false website.”
According to SBC’s web site, its official stance on gay marriage is as follows:
“We affirm God’s plan for marriage and sexual intimacy — one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a ‘valid alternative lifestyle.’ The Bible condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ.”
According to the Baptist Press, the stunt was organized by the Center for Responsible Christian Living (which, ironically, does not have a web site). The group, via a press release, vindicated Wright‘s belief that the attack was due to SBC’s gay marriage stance, stating that they launched the project to expose the denomination’s perspective on marriage as “both irresponsible and unchristian.”
The Center, which describes itself as a think tank, but has yet to be substantiated, also wrote, “Our hope was to offer a vision of what might be possible” and described the initiative as a “friendly prank.” The group declined to identify any official spokespersons.
If this scheme is anything like the ongoing glitter attacks being launched by gay marriage advocates, there could be more elaborate scheming to come.
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oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:52amOh come on people!!! It was a prank!!! A really good one actually!!! Why does everything have to be some kind of left-wing, Soro’s funded, Nazi-like take over of everything precious in this country!!
It was a PRANK!!!! Lighten up people!!!!!!!!
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:22amSure it was just a prank…….and everything else they are doing is just a prank too!!! Pranks that are escalating and will continue to escalate. We will be just dancing in the street when they become persecution!
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:35amMore cryptic writing! Who is the “they” to which you refer? Give examples of which pranks are escalating and why you expect them to continue to escalate.
Do you not agree that a sense of humor is needed for daily life? Sometimes dancing in the street is exactly what is called for in life!!!
Report Post »jtm
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:48amIt was misrepresentation, regardless of whether or not it was a prank. As to the NAZI stuff, study history, because it’s repeating itself.
Report Post »Josiah914
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:53amIt’s also known legally (or, in this case, illegally) as LIBEL and FALSE IMPERSONATION!
These are crimes, not pranks.
We’ll lighten up about actual pranks when you tighten up about actual crimes!
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:19pm@JTM
So you are comparing the genocide of thousands and thousands to a prank??? Really???? What history books did you use for this one?
@Josiah914
In order for libel to stand you must prove harm was done to the person or organization! Good luck with that one!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:38pmoto1 if you can’t recognize the fascism in the gay rights movement you really are clueless…
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:07pmFascism as defined by noted British Academic Political Theorist, Roger Griffin, is “a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism” built on a complex range of theoretical and cultural influences. He distinguishes an inter-war period in which it manifested itself in elite-led but populist “armed party” politics opposing socialism and liberalism and promising radical politics to rescue the nation from decadence.
So Joe1234 to answer your question, no, I absolutely do not see the fascism in the gay rights movement! By the definition offered above I see more fascism in many of the posts here on this site, or the words of Michele Bachman, or even the church itself!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:13pmoto1: gee why I am not surprised? let me guess you’re a liberal. the gay ‘rights’ movement seeks to take away the rights of those who disagree…as they did to the catholic charities in MA…no surprise you ‘tolerant’ liberals are the most intolerant one around. did you starch your brown shirt today?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:17pmoh and oto1: your definition of fascism is laughable….nazi = national SOCIALIST german workers party…how hard is this?
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:21pm@JOE1234
A little research might help you understand the true roots of Nazism. Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics. After the German defeat in World War I in an effort to excuse the defeat Nazism offered the political Dolchstosslegende (“Legend of the Dagger-stab in the Back”) claiming that the Imperial German war effort was internally sabotaged, by Jews, socialists, and Bolsheviks. Proposing that, because the Reichwehr’s defeat did not occur in Germany, the sabotage included a lack of patriotism among their political antagonists, specifically the Social Democrats and the Ebert Government, whom the Nazis accused of treason. The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism. So in short the Nazis considered Jews to be progressive liberal democrats!!!
So Joe a lot can be inferred from a name that may not actually be correct….as for instance one may infer from your screen name that you can not count to 5…..better go back to Sesame Street…oh! That’s right! That is a liberal propaganda machine!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:29pmoto1: a little research? perhaps you should do that…nazism was SOCIALIST to its core. Naziism, as their name says…is SOCIALIST. seriously how hard is national SOCIALIST german workers party? why do you think Stalin and Hitler were so buddy-buddy until hitler betrayed him? hmmmm?
from Mein Kampt Volume 2: Chapter VII:
In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois [capitalist] meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . . And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.
Chapter XII:
The National Socialist Movement, which aims at establishing the National Socialist People’s State, must always bear steadfastly in mind the principle that every future institution under that State must be rooted in the movement itself.
but you’re a liberal, I‘m sure you won’t let facts get in the way of your ideology…but you are good for a few laughs!! you left wing buffoon
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:30pmOto1: other educated people understood that nazis were socialist…that explains why you do not…
F.A. Hayek in his Road to Serfdom (p. 168) said:
The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism—Fichte, Rodbertus, and Lassalle—are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. …. From 1914 onward there arose from the ranks of Marxist socialism one teacher after another who led, not the conservatives and reactionaries, but the hard-working laborer and idealist youth into the National Socialist fold. It was only thereafter that the tide of nationalist socialism attained major importance and rapidly grew into the Hitlerian doctrine.
Report Post »TheChurch
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:02pmoto1: Roger Griffin is a nut job who’s work is still highly contested in most quarters. For those of you who have never heard of this loon let me say that his big “theory” centers around right-wingers being the same as Hitler and Mussolini. Griffen translated works by Norberto Bobbio and Ferruccio Rossi-Landi. Bobbio was a self-described liberal socialist and Rossi-Landi was pushing social semiotics (that with power comes changes in our language and socially accepted meanings). If you can stay awake long enough to read Griffin he is another nut job from England who thinks he is smarter than everyone else while teaching the same old change the world not me theorist. Us in the tea party ain‘t as dumb as you are a thinkin’.
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:15pmSo where in those passages, other than in the name, did Hitler state they were socialist? Being Anti-Capitalist does not make you a Socialist? The German Nazi (National Socialist) Party was politically fascist, which is a corporatist, racist ideology, based on the supremacy of the state over the individual, the importance of tightly centralized power and the fetishization of national myths and heroes. Socialism is multinational and working-class in character, seeking to establish a fully democratic, classless society. When Hitler joined the party in the early 1920′s the party was quite small, one of dozens of right-wing populist formations at the time. By upping the nationalist ante, scapegoating national minorities and adding “socialist” to the party’s name, Hitler found he was better able to attract disenchanted WWI veterans and workers left jobless during the hard economic times that followed the Treaty of Versailles. To better distinguish his party and its ethos from the more established socialist and communist entities at the time, and to reflect its intense nationalism, he also added “national” to the name. Socialism was the Nazis’ greatest threat to power. In the years before the fated election that led to Hitler becoming chancellor, the Nazis’ SA brownshirts engaged in incredibly violent, sometimes deadly, attacks on socialists and communists, in addition to their favored Jewish targets. Socialists and communists were some of the first concentration camp inmat
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:41pmoto1: did you miss NATIONAL SOCIALIST PEOPLE’S STATE?????
yeah HItler put SOCIALIST in the name as PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!! shhhhhhh we don’t want that to get out….
I mean seriously….you’re obviously a whacked out liberal who never lets facts get in the way of their ideology….HItler was a SOCIALIST…deal with it…TRUTH HURTS
oh and your party, the democrats were the party of slavery, racism, the KKK, and jim crow.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:43pmoh and oto…..if you’re against capitalism…that makes you a what? a SOCIALIST…there is no third way…I would tell you to get a clue, but its obviously not possible in your case…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:53pmHitler described the symbolism involved: “In the red we see the social idea of the movement, in the white the national idea, in the swastika the mission to struggle for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the idea of creative work, which is eternally anti-Semitic and will always be anti-Semitic.”
oh and who else was using RED as a symbol at that time??? oh yeah those INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS…the communists…..
Report Post »oto1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 4:05pmOh Joe you crack me up! Nice to see you resort to name calling!!! What started as a debate has degenerated to name calling! One final point…..Capitalism is one on side of the spectrum and Socialism is on the other….the problem is that there are many many alternative viewpoints in the middle!
You are hung up by one word…..but look past that and look at the ideology behind the parties! However this discussion is going no where!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 4:13pmoh oto, you crack me up…whining lke a little girl, when you are the one who started calling names…with your rant about bachmann and churches and posters being fascist….then onto your crack about sesame street, which I’m sure you enjoy greatly,.,.you’re such a typical liberal…LOL
a discusssion with a liberal like you never goes anywhere because you libs hate the truth, and can’t face facts.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 4:14pmand there are no ‘alternatives in the middle’ those that have tried, like greece, and the US end up as failed socialist states…because socialism only works for a short while…get a clue.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:52amI just love the way non-believing groups or persons have such “wisdom” in defining what is or is not “Christian”. The word literally means “Christ in” because the early believers knew full well that they had Christ in them. An unbeliever couldn‘t possibly understand what that means and a worldy ’christian‘ doesn’t heed the urgings of the Lord they say they serve. Do not tell me I am unchristian if you have no idea who Christ is or what He taught. These perps are no different than anyone else who down through the centuries has opposed the plan and purposes of God. They have no idea whom they really serve, nor do they realize the consequenses for every idle word they speak. Our duty is to ‘forgive them for they know not what they do’ and then allow God to work out a ‘payment plan’ for them. Hopefully the SBC’s lawyers (and IS people) can assist is bringing about an equitable consequence in order to discourage a repeat effort.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:56amOh my lord, do you actually believe that (“Christ In”)? that’s a perfect illustration of people believing whatever they are taught. Someone says it and it sounds smart so we repeat it trying to sound smart instead of looking it up and LEARNING – it’s exactly the same way so many Christians have so many false concepts about LGBT people. Read on and learn:
— suffix
1. ( forming adjectives and nouns ) belonging to or relating to; a person belonging to or coming from: European
2. ( forming adjectives and nouns ) typical of or resembling; a person typical of: Elizabethan
3. ( forming adjectives and nouns ) adhering to or following; an adherent of: Christian
4. ( forming nouns ) a person who specializes or is expert in: dietitian ; phonetician
Christ-ian – Belonging or relating to Christ
Christ-ian – resembling Christ
Christ-ian – Follower of Christ <<<most common understanding
Christ-ian – an expert on Christ
the more you know.
Report Post »Annie M
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:42amWe live in a culture where everyone wants to reinvent truth to fit their own agenda. What God says is truth not matter how much we may not like it. Sin is sin. Pretending to be someone you are not is also sin, it is deception; much like homosexuals trying to convince us that their sexual behavior is normal.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:39amThis stuff is as old as dirt – at different degrees/awareness – but still there & we are at the time when it’s escalating, becoming more bold and violent, etc. Right now Glenn is talking about how the Nazi‘s had a booklet to promote their agenda and it’s all about the falacy/deception/dangers of Christianity…saying how it‘s the same stuff we’re seeing today by the left. Satan’s tactics never change and are predictable….and sadly, highly successful.
Report Post »I’m not Baptist, but I’m very grateful that they are standing firm on this bc the “church” is now increasingly going into apostasy and caving on issues that are controversial – aiming to please people rather than God….just as Jesus/Scriptures say. But I want to make mention of something: it’s the homosexual “lifestyle” – the acts/lust that are the sin, not just having those abnormal preferences – just as it is with heteros, who have the normal sexual preferences, which is not a sin – only when they act/lust on them (adultery,etc.). Many seem to be mixed up about that & cause harm. I’m speaking of those that sincerely have those desires – not just doing it bc they want to be “different”, rebellious, etc. – which is sin too of course. But I believe you can indeed be born with this as a genetic defect as a generational curse through the family line just as all of us inherit something – propensities to diseases, etc., abnormalities. But this is no excuse – God expects all of us to come to Him for help.
Kiwon
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:37amSouthern Baptist Convention leadership, given that you have seen that an organized campaign against you is starting, please take the steps to form contingency plans so that appropriate and Christ-honoring responses will be offered when these attacks occur.
This attack is evidence of where the real intolerance is – in the LGBT camp. The truth of the Bible never changes and the SBC is never wrong to stand up for what is right.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:35amOnly Southern Baptists who were fooled were the ones who voted for Obama
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:47amSouthern Baptists vote conservative, the only varience from that is in direct correlation to the amount of pigmentation they possess.
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:32amHey SBC has a right to follow their theology as they believe/read it. If you don’t like it LEAVE! Go join a UCC or UMC church, they have a belief system in line with the hypocrites that pulled this stunt. It is not about choice in our country anymore. Diversity of opinion was only important to Libs before their ideas were the prevailing ones in pop culture.
Report Post »jtm
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:31am“Affirming gay rights”, “homophobia” are the typical buzzwords of the sodomites. Had I come upon this website, I would have been very wary as to it’s legitimacy. That’s just not Southern Baptist vocabulary. How these pervs have been allowed to usurp language and culture is beyond me. They are such an insignificant percentage of the general population, yet they gain more influence daily. They permeated the Third Reich with brutality. I’m afraid it may happen here, unless we do something about it. Our kids are being brainwashed into accepting this behavior. Everybody need to read “The Pink Swastika”. Get educated before it’s too late.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:30amThe Baptist?? Bubbles, Bubbles, Shiny, Shiny!!!!!
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:29amLibby/Progressive have to lie, use deceit, and cunning to get the agenda through. If the cause had merit and was useful in society, then it could be done in the open and stand on its own truth and principals…proposed gay rights and agendas cannot….Can anyone tell me what rights “gays” are lacking that non-gays have??? (don’t use marriage because marriage is a priledge not a right, and domestic partners have the same legal rights as married couples)
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:27amJust more proof that F.A.G.S aren’t out to promote their own cause, they are out to tear down every other way of life. If they are so hell bend on having God recognize their sick life style, then they should start their own religion and deal directly with God. Of course God has already given them and answer, it’s called Aids.
Report Post »jake32_84
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:27am“both irresponsible and unchristian.” …. I will let the bible handle this one……..
Isaiah 5:20: Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Report Post »godhead
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:48am“Barack Obama has revealed himself to be a person who has a deep-seated hatred for white people.”
Woe indeed.
Report Post »Young_Conservative
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:25amJust a bunch losers (the Center for Responsible Christian Living) trying to get media attention.
Report Post »jtm
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:34amTheir very name is an oxymoron.
Report Post »Atlas_Shagged
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:25amIf this story was a hoax, simply designed to get more exposure by stirring up conservative readers emotions, would the Blaze be a terror organization or a smart business?
Report Post »teddyc73
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:22amI have said it many times, gay people and gay rights supports act like they are the innocent victims when in fact they are some of the most vindictive, mean spirited, hateful, intolerant people you could ever find. They demand you accept their lifestyle and respect them but yet they refuse to accept and respect that there are those that don’t. If you don’t accept them then they will do every thing they can to destroy, attack and demonize you. It’s sick and no one is willing to call them on it.
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:36amI AM! It is an ABNORMAL and DEGENERATE behavior, and I will call it such. If anyone chooses to be identified as homosexual, then those descriptions go along with their identity, PERIOD!
Report Post »If they choose to degrade normal behavior, I will stand against them and make it clear they are debauched and deplorable and their “lifestyle” will at some point be irradicated.
Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:24pmI love you guys like Jesus Christ taught all of us. We will pray for you as you prey on us.
Report Post »Heitah
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:21amAt least one religion (there are many) is standing to its values. Christ‘s church didn’t allow this, and God is a not a changing being or he would cease to be. Therefore just because society accepts gay marriage does not make it valid in the eyes of God.
Report Post »cntrlfrk
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:18amThis isn’t a “Hoax”
This is slander. Another attack on religion by the God hating leftists.
Report Post »becauseitmatters
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:00pmMy thoughts exactly.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:17amthe old saying “believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear” seems to be taking on a more relavant foundation these days
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:17amStand strong on this Bryant Wright, but, please quit bashing conservative talk radio listeners and Fox News watchers from the pulpit. Start watching at 15:00
Report Post »http://rightfromtheheart.org/watch/46798
sWampy
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:16amThose who ignore history are damned to repeat. It is amazing that the world has already forgotten how much destruction homosexuality brought on to the world through Hitler and his “buddies” and are fully behind it again.
Report Post »Jack of Hearts
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:35amHitler was Gay? This is news – please elucidate for the benefit of us of who weren’t aware of that. Sure you’re not thinking of The Producers?
Report Post »Spqr1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:26pmThe head of the SA was gay, and Hitler had him KILLED. More Beckains who don’t know history….
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:26pmjack: the pink swastika…Roehm, Hess, absolutely were gay…hitler most likely was too…rumors of him being a male prostittue in vienna….
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:29pmspqr1….get a clue, Roehm wasn’t killed because he was gay…rather because he was a threat…try history 101…you libs are clueless
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:53pmDidn’t realize blaze blocked links. http ://www (dot) defendthefamily (dot) com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
Report Post »Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:23pmThe Nazis lumped together Homosexuals with Jews and Gypsies and Many other social deviants. The debauchery of certain Aryans was covered up at the time. Hitler was an avowed womanizer, raped his own niece, had advanced syphilis. Just like the robber baron industrialists of the day, the third Reich knew how to party.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 10:18amHitler was bi at best, but there is no doubt he used/worked with a group of violent homosexuals hell bent on the repeal of Paragraph 175 of the German legal code that made sodomy a crime, and ridding the world of religion, at any costs. It’s unclear if he was just using them, or if he really actively supported their cause, just as it’s unclear why the liberals are in bed with them today.
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:16amA dress rehearsal for worse things to come.
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:34amIt would seem the Crusades are going to happen again
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:35pmnsdq: thank God for the crusades…otherwise you’d be in a burkha…or have a beard and be bending over to mecca 5 times a day
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:46pmNSDQ, a crusade is no different from a caliphate.Even though we might agree on individual rights, our constitution, and freedom from tyranny. This non-Christian will defend his family from such a violation of freedom. I have nothing against Christianity ( or any other religion for that matter).But I do have a problem with anyone imposing their beliefs on me. It’s obviously not acceptable for people to do what has occured in this story.
Just remember that you have fellow Americans who are not apart of your religion, but would defend your right as an individual to pray or not pray as you please. I would hope that you would recipricate such a gesture.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:52pmJOE1234, That is a disgusting thing to say. Go back and study the crusades ( including ” the children’s crusade” ) and if you still stand by your comment, you are no different from osama bin ladin.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:58pmthis_individual: the crusades were a reaction to the muslim invasion of europe…and yes I stand by my comment…otherwise you’d be in a burkha…try history 101…without the crusades europe would have been islamic.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:00pmoh yeah this: the gays sure aren’t part of that group who will defend the rights of those who disagree.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:02pmthis individual: a crusade is totally different than a calphiate…what a totally ignorant comment. the crusades were defensive in nature…islam has been an agressive religion from the start.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:33pmJOE1234, Actually I have studied all of the crusades and am far more advanced in the subject than 101. Initially, it was in response to the Ottoman (Turks) invasion of Europe. What it turned out to become, was an extermanation of all peoples of Europe who would not pledge their devotion to Christendom. In my ancestry (for example) there were still families who kept their Larariums (an altar to honor that individual families’ ancestors and Gods). If found, that family would have been dragged (women and children included) through the streets until they submitted. If they did not, they were either burned alive or simply had their throats slit. Fortunately for some of my ancestors, they became Christian ( if only to protect their children). Religion was used to rally the people against the cause. A tool that is still used today.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:48pmthis: thanks for admitting the truth, there would have been no crusades without the muslim INVASION of europe…bad things happen in wars…yeah so? sure seems that socialism and homosexuality rallies people to the cause today!
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:55pmJOE1234, I work with some who are gay. They defend your right to your individual freedom (that includes your view of them). Of course, I cannot speak for all gay people as I do not generalize human beings.In response to your calling my comment ignorrant, being forced into Islam as opposed to Christianity as people were in Europe? People died because they were not Christian, people die now who do not believe in someone’s ideology and or religion. It is a fundemental human trait to want to control our environment and other people. What seperates those of us who seek individual freedom from those who seek social freedom is that we surpress that urge to demonize, control, and ridicule others for how they live their lives. Ulimately those individuals should be held accountable, not because of who they choose to love but because of what they did.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:35pmthis: obviously they do not…if their special right of gay marriage didn’t infringe upon the liberty of others, then why did NY include some protection for churches? hmmmmm? please.
yeah some people died for not converting…but its not inherent in the christian faith, its an aberration…which you do not recognize…..forced conversion IS inherent in the muslim faith…
you should tell your gay friends to stop demonizing christians, and trying to take our freedom of speech and religion away.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:53pmJoe “my gay friends” are not my friends because they are gay, but simply because these two in particular are good people who mind their own business and do their job well. I cannot convey your message ” stop demonizing christians, and trying to take our freedom of speech and religion away ” as not every gay individual has those intentions any more than every Christian would like to see me and my family burn because we are not of their faith. Each individual has a choice, each individual should be called out on their actions. As these people involved should be.
Report Post »Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:35pmjoe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:00pm
oh yeah this: the gays sure aren’t part of that group who will defend the rights of those who disagree
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Report Post »The United States Army has proudly defended those rights ever since George Washington was a Lieutenant out of Fairfax County. And the bravest part of the Army has always been the Gayest part of the Army. It’s easier for straights. All gays are heroes, in the game of life.
joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:24pmreally ****? so Gacy, Dahmer, and speck are your heroes?
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:00amWhy do i get the impression that Joe – at least – would be just fine with a new “crusade” that put all gays to the sword (or the bullet, as may be)?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:18amtammy beth, there is no doubt you are already on a JIHAD against christians
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 4:37am@joe1234 – “tammy beth, there is no doubt you are already on a JIHAD against Christians”
That’s rich considering i AM a Christian and have been for over 30 years. It makes your little world simpler to just assume anyone who sees things differently from you isn’t “one of you” so you don’t have to take anything they say seriously.
I understand. Thinking can be hard for some folk.
Report Post »Katt
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:15amA friendly prank on the values of Christians? What do you expect from self motivated groups with no values of their own…
Report Post »Heitah
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:21amAgreed. At least one religion (there are many) is standing to its values. Christ‘s church didn’t allow this, and God is a not a changing being or he would cease to be. Therefore just because society accepts gay marriage does not make it valid in the eyes of God.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:24am…because a friendly prank on Muslims would get their heads cut off.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:10amHeitah
Report Post »I don’t think the majority of Americans in our society are OK with gay marraige.
Either way they are not garnering much sympathy for their cause by doing nasty things like this.
DLG123
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:26amRight is right whether no one is doing it and wrong is wrong if everyone is doing it…
Report Post »St. Francis I belive said this.
Atlas_Shagged
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:13amIf a Gay Man wants to Marry a Lesbian Woman, who are we to Criticize Them?
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:35pmWho are you to critize anyone for the choices they make in thier lives? Our country is founded on the principles of individual liberty and freedom. How is it then that you get to choose for others?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:43pmcherynn: too bad the gays don’t feel the same way…they sure don’t want liberty for those who disagree
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:59pmJoe1234, People get marrired in the US every day. I dont understand what your talking about.
Report Post »Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:30pmIt is absolutely nobody else’s concern, and certainly no reason to shove your big old morality down a Gay man’s throat!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:49am@cheryn – “I dont understand what your talking about.”
That’s ok, neither does he.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:12amMakes one wonder what other evil is being planned esp if someone or some group will go to this length to harrass another group.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:17amThe old way at work:
Nudge – shove – shoot…just keep ratcheting things up until something finally ruptures and the fed’s come crashing down on us all.
Report Post »Counter-Culture Revolutionist
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:26amWhy is this being called a prank? That makes this sound harmless or just a joke. At the very least, they should do jail time and be sued by the Southern Baptist organization. In fact, I would strongly urge them to follow through on this legally to stop this type of activity right now.
If these people are willing to go to this extent (and did George Soros fund this because it cost a great deal of money?), what will they do to totally undermine the 2012 elections or destroy any opposing views? They are absolutely corrupt; they obviously have no moral boundaries.
May God forgive them.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:47ami was speaking to my wife and for years and years we have sat silent…just how they wanted it to be. Now that we are standing up for the truth, their true colors are coming through. Expect this ti get MUCH, MUCH worse in the coming months. We need to be on our knees praying every day. Also, stand up against evil and stare it down. I have done this and it was very hard and we received threats but God got us through it and the outcome was beyond what I ever imagined. Trust God to guide you through the sea of evil… I refuse to live under their RULE! Jesus is my ruler, freedom and LIFE!
Report Post »Baron_Doom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:57amCOUNTER-CULTURE REVOLUTIONIST, you forget who runs the Justice Department. Nothing will come of this, even if the SBC presses charges. The administration will simply turn a blind eye and keep reassigning the investigating officers like they did in the Black Panther intimidation cases.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:47amlet me put a finer point on it: @snowleopard – does christian rhetoric which asserts that homosexuals are an “abomination” in the eyes of god likely or even possibly going to (has) led to violence against gays?
yes or no?
If you say yes, I’ll commend your intellectual honesty on the point, and ask why then you have right to complain that this might lead to something bad?
If you say no, then I‘ll ask you to explain how hacking a website can lead to violence but pronouncing someone evil can’t?
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:09am.
Report Post »Southern Baptists there is you first clue…..
Atlas_Shagged
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:12amIt is not Kosher to mess with Christians. What a kerfuffle they attempted to pull! They must be the Commanders In Mischief!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:20amThe fact is if this was pulled as a hoax for revenge on the churches stance on the gay marraige and the like, then how long until some other group decides to up the anty and do physical harm to the church or even escalate to intimidation and assault upon their membership and leaders?
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:21amLiberals cant be honest and they prey on good decent people who TRUST others. Shame on them. But God will take care of them in the end….
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:24amSpankDaMonkey
Report Post »Yes, it‘s a clue that your talking about a denomination that actually follows Christ’s teaching.
Josiah914
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:24amI’m no lawyer, but these false statements seem to be grounds for legal action. The “fake” group attributed blatantly false statements to actual persons, and they impersonated an actual organization, both on the website and in answering the phone with a false, misleading identity. Pro-Life Pregnancy Centers are raked over the coals all the time for placing their agency names in the Abortion section of the phonebook, but this “prank” is supposed to be counted as “friendly.”
Let the lawyers and the courts decide that!
Report Post »Mike Westfall No Hiding
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:35amGeorge Soros anyone?
Report Post »Annie M
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:37amAnd your point is??
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:42amA guy sees crap like this and then he realizes why there have been leaders like Hitler, Mao, Stalin, yada, yada over the years. People with no moral clarity fall prey to the progressive rants that the ends justify the means and everything “progresses” from there.
Imagine if you chose to possess a normal mind. At what point in the process of going thru all the pains and expense of creating a fake website would it hit you that what you are doing is absolutely dishonest, immoral, unethical, unreasonable, irrational and illegal???
We’ve got big problems to solve and half the country is made up of people that cannot come to grips with reality. I see this getting worse until the two sides eventually collide and one side comes out victorious. And, then the cycle begins all over again.
I‘m only 42 yet I feel like I’ve seen this movie play out about 100 times now.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:51amOne thing that isn’t a hoax is the parts of the Southern Baptist Convention that has been hijacked by liberals and recently passing a resolution in supporting of amnesty for illegals.
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Baron_Doom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:53amAmen, Gonzo. Whatever this “Responsible Christian Living” group represents, it’s certainly not Christianity nor responsibility!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:14am“Southern Baptists there is you first clue”
Agree, they are the biggest group of bigots and racists in the country. Hell they are so much in love with hate, they hate other christian groups that are not Southern Baptists.
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:23amIsn’t this Fraud?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:24amNo encinom, we even love idiots and morons. I love you encinom. :-)
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:27amSomeone really has a mad-on for the Southern Baptists. Man, all that free work just to embarrass them.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:27amI’m with Josiah on this one –
I’m not worried about a slippery slope to physical harm, but,
falsely atttributing statements to others could be seen as libel.
impersonating someone WILL get you in jail !!!
(Ask any credit card theif)
People feel too safe and too anonymous on the internet – that is/will be their undoing – they grow brazen and reach beyond their legal limits.
There will be lawsuits and jailtime, I predict.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:34amI am a Southern Baptist and proud of it!!!!!! We are honest hard working Christians that believes in the Bible and it’s Teaching and “Live” it. We have managed for years to be Good Christiians without bothering anyone, Why would some fool “Leftist” try to cause trouble?? Are they upset that we actually LIVE what we are Taught by the Bible???? We are tolerant of others reguardless of what the “Left” says. Who ever did this should be prosecuted !!!!!!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:55amGOD will judge them…soon I pray.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:09pmI just think is SAD that the LITTLE PEOPLE on the LEFT are so unsure of if they really beleive that gay marriage is right they have to MAKE things up like they are coming from groups they know do NOT beleive in it to try and legitimize themselves.. HEY isn’t that what OBAMA does??? BET there’s a connection..LOL..
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:24pmYou have to give it to gay people, they can be extremely creative.
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:31pmBANJARMON, God just spoke to me. (He would have gotten to me sooner … but He was having to talk to Bachmann about something.)
Our Heavenly Father said to tell you to shut the hell up. If He thinks it’s warranted, He’ll sort some folks out at a time of His own choosing. For now, why don’t you give it a rest?
Report Post »joyfulmom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:13pmAny sex outside of marriage, between a man and a woman is sin. So, couples living together are in the same boat as homosexuals. But, get this: Even if a man has looked upon a woman with lust in his heart it is the same as committing adultery. Have you ever looked upon a woman/man with lust in your heart. There is none righteous, no not one. We‘ve all broken God’s commandments! We all deserve hell and before a Just and Holy God, we are guilty! But, Good News for homosexuals and adulterer and all sinners, Jesus, 2,000 years ago paid the ultimate price, He died for our sins. The punishment that we deserve, He took upon Himself and if we repent and turn from our sins and turn to the Savoiur, Jesus Christ and put our faith and trust in Him, He will forgive our sins and give us everlasting life and give us a new nature, a new heart, where we will want to please our Lord and die to sin, we will not want to sin because the Holy Spirit will be in us and convict us of our sin. You cannot save yourself, but must cry out to God for Mercy and ask Him to open your eyes to Truth! We’re all going to die and stand before God at the Judgment Seat of Christ, if you are not clothed with Christ, you will go to hell…Accept Christ‘s payment for your sins and turn to Him before it’s too late. May God have Mercy on your soul, whoever is reading this.
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:42pm@SPANKEDDAMONKEY
What a queer response.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:24pmI am a proud and loving member of a Southern Baptist Church. The bigots are those that have a problem with us practicing our faith in alignment with the holy scriptures.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:33pmsouthern baptists are smelly and stupid. everyone knows that.
Report Post »Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:26pmThe Baptist organizations and their subsidiary organizations have been “hoaxing” the media with lies about the cultures they despise for decades. So turn around may be fair play, but they are ready to cry to the media! LOL
Report Post »proliance
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:32pmAs long as Southern Baptists try to tell us that Jesus never drank wine, belief in being once saved-always saved, or that TV preachers need big hair and gaudy make up, I’ll be suspicious of anything they say.
Report Post »bubbie
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:48pmWhat the heck is that supposed to mean? I attended a Southern Baptist Church growing up.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:28amIronicly, i’ll bet you snowleopard would deny that any violent physical attack on gay people was ever inspired by Christian rhetoric about them being “abominations”
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:38am@encinom – with due respect, no. the vast majority of Southern Baptist are very kind and loving people. the amount of money and hours they dedicate to helping those in need (per apita) well exceeds any other faith group.
what they are is well meaning folks deceived by an entrenched false doctrine, just as they, many of them at least, were in years past on the race issue. If Southern Baptist have a major flaw, it’s not hatefulness, but (and this is especially troubling for a denomination which prides itself on “the priesthood of the believer”) is, on the whole, incredibly shallow in their actual knowledge (this might be true of other denominations but I speak only of those i well know).
the average SBC church member knows exactly about the Bible and doctrine what their preachers and teachers tell them to know. once a thing becomes an “everybody knows” meme in the SBC, it’s recycled throughout the podiums and pulpits like an Urban legend goes around Facebook.
The people, for the most part, are sincere and loving – some of those who have been the very best to me since i accepted my condition have been SBC Christians (and also the worst of them have been) but it’s patently obvious that most of them really have never given any serious study or thought to the subject, they just take the party line and assume their teachers wouldn’t lead them wrong.
I suspect this is true for most “conservative” Christians.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:44am@proliance – point of order, most TV evangelist – the overwhelming majority especially of the “big hair and makeup” crowd, are charismatics, not Baptists. Otherwise, carry on.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:17am@TammyBeth: I stand corrected.
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