Spike Lee on Romney: There Will Be a Block of People Saying – ‘I Cannot Vote for a Mormon’
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In the past, film director and actor Spike Lee has encountered and created no shortage of controversy. And his most recent comments about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, it seems, could add to his drama roster. In an interview with Vulture, Lee said that he believes the presidential election will be “very, very, very close” but that Romney’s The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints membership could impact him at the polls.
Here are a few of the questions and answers during which he made these comments, as published by Vulture (emphasis added):
How do you think President Obama is doing?
I support him; my wife and I gave a benefit for him at our house. But I think this election is going to be close. Bottom line, there are many people in America who look at themselves and say, “Am I better now than I was before?” It is going to be tooth and nail, and I think it is going to get nasty. But, in my opinion, if they are trying to bring up Reverend Jeremiah Wright again, they are really reaching. I hope and pray that people are not going to go for the Willie Horton okeydoke.
Do you think people will?
I got faith that they won’t. Honestly, though, the big question is, I think there will be a block of people saying, “I cannot vote for a Mormon.”
Are those people voting for Obama instead? That seems unlikely.
They got a tough decision: Obama or a Mormon. Their beliefs got them between a rock and a hard place.
While there have been some critics in evangelical circles, in particular, who have stated a reluctance to vote for a Mormon presidential candidate, the issue seems to be dissipating. In January, The Blaze examined the issue of Mormonism and its potential role in the 2012 campaign and concluded that the vast majority of evangelicals and religious conservatives would not allow theological differences to prevent a vote for Romney.
In addition to sharing these views on faith and the presidential battle, Lee also spoke about meeting Romney a few years ago at Reagan National Airport. According to his account, the two exchanged pleasantries.
The director also went on to claim that, if Obama loses in November, it will be a very long time before another African American is elected president. “I will be dead before it happens,” he proclaimed.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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cykonas
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:15amUnfortunately, Mr. Lee is probably correct. But there are some who won’t vote for President Obama because he is Black. There are some who wouldn’t back Rep. Paul because he looks like their crazy uncle. There are some wouldn’t support Rep. Bachmann because she is female. And there are plenty of other examples. So, I’m not sure what point Mr. Lee is attempting to make.
We must vote on records and performance, not on personalities, religion, appearance or other inconsequential traits. But frankly being that we are human this sort of convoluted voter decision making will continue.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:34amWell Spike, guess were about even, There will be a block
Report Post »that will say they can’t VOTE for an Incompetent Liar……
and if they can’t see that, they aren’t paying attention !!
Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:38amHis point is that religious discrimination is fine, but racial discrimination is evil. Lacks a bit of consistency if you ask me.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:40amWell Spike, guess were about even, There will be a block
Report Post »that will say they can’t VOTE for an Incompetent Liar……
and if they can’t see that, they aren’t paying attention !!
and all you can see is BLACK, *******..
and these POS call WHITES, racist. GOOD GAWD !!!!
momprayn
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:05amI don’t consider this person to be wise, among other negative traits – and no, not just b/c of his skin color & therefore I will not take what he says into consideration. Duh!!! Of course there will be a “block” that does that — albeit a very small block & no, won’t “impact” the elections very much at all. And…like others have mentioned….there will more probably be a MUCH GREATER BLOCK that refuse to vote for Obama, even if they are black, Dems, etc. b/c they recognize Obama’s regime for what it is and purpose — to transform America into the Communist/Marxist/Fabian Socialist country their ideology demands.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:06amI think Mr. Lee is correct. There is a block that will say I cannot vote for a Mormon. If I remember correctly many of us have pointed it out already being a problem for nominating Romney.
As far a voting bias based on religion it goes both ways. In Utah 93% voted for Romney in the primary. You cannot say that was religious. My personal opinion is the Mormon faith is a creation of Satan. I will not support a candidate of any faith I do not believe worships the same God and Jesus Christ of the Bible I do. With Romney its a very easy choice since he is so close to Obama policy wise.
No I am not voting for Obama, I believe he is an atheist(another creation of Satan). The GOP knew what they were getting by nominating Romney. You were warned, so dont act surprised people are going to vote Ron Paul, 3rd party, or just stay home. It would have been a lot harder choice had the GOP picked a Mormon who was conservative, but since they went with a liberal it was very easy.
Report Post »TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:06amThere is a great column by Michael Goodwin on Fox on why Romney could lose and it has nothing to do wiith being a Mormon. Did you see how much money Romney raised in June? Give me a Mormon who believes in Jesus Christ any day over a self appointed savior who tax tax and is divisive promoting class warfare. I for one am tired of being labeled by class nor do I want any one‘s monies for Obama’s salvation bs. And I do not want those who could afford to write the government a check but don‘t forced to give me what I don’t want by fiat of tax tax and more. All the suckers who bought into this Barnum and Bailey world will surely be Surprised there is no utopia, just a three ring circus. Get out the vote. Oh, and I did not have to read this column to know whats in it.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:16amSo whats the surprise here, he is black, right? I mean does a bear crap in the woods?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:18am“I think there will be a block of people saying……”
He’s correct in one sense. Only it will be several “blocks” all in Harlem.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:22am@texas
“Give me a Mormon who believes in Jesus Christ”
Do they worship the same Jesus Christ as the one in the Bible? The Mormon Jesus Christ is brothers with Satan. He is a separate god from God. According to Mormons there are many gods. Mormons believe they are the REAL Christians and the other faiths creeds are “abominations”. Mormons believe they can become gods of their own planet after they go to Heaven if they follow all the rules and do acts. Mormons also believe almost everyone goes to Heaven. So even though say a Baptist according to them isnt a Christian I still get to go to Heaven I just have to possible share my tier of Heaven with Muslims, Hindu, and Scientologists.
Is that the same Jesus Christ you worship?
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:22am“Unfortunately, Mr. Lee is probably correct. But there are some who won’t vote for President Obama because he is Black”
True but there are more that will only vote for him because he is black.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:24am.
Report Post »“They got a tough decision: Obama or a Mormon.”
That’s not a tough decision at all.
loriann12
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:40amLet’s see….not really a tough decision for this white Christian female…since Cain isn’t running I have a choice between:
Obama, Mao loving, America hating, trying to destroy Capitalism, who sat in a black theology church for 20 years, who’s wife is also anti-American and really the one in charge
or
Romney, admittedly moderate but loves America, loves captitalism, Mormon, who‘s wife supports his decisions and doesn’t try to over-rule him.
Tough decision…..NOT
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:45am@CYKONAS
Another divide and conquer tactic.
The left knows that evangelicals despise Latter Day Saints, even though you never hear a LDS member say they wouldn‘t vote for RP because he’s evangelical.
The fact is, Obama is in a world of hurt.
Anybody who did not vote for Obama last time, still won’t this time. Many who voted for “Hope & Change” are disillusioned. There are religious blacks who don’t like his stance on gay marriage. There are hard working Hispanics who still believe in the American Dream and don’t hate rich people – they want to be rich themselves.
The list is long, but the point is, he doesn’t have the support he once enjoyed.
His only hope is to keep reminding the voters that Romney is ‘Mormon” which, according to some of the people on this site, means he belongs to a satanic cult.
It just may work…
Report Post »moomaw10
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:04pmWhy not vote for a morman…People voted in a muslim….
Report Post »Yeah_Buddy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:06pmI still recall the black panthers with clubs outside a Philly voting booth saying…You are about to be ruled by the blackman. How true that turned out to be.
Forget religion: You have two choices this fall; Freedom or Socialism.
What do you want for your kids and grandkids?
Report Post »v15
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:27pmOther Christian religions, for one reason or another, are afraid of Mormons or write off their beliefs as delusional. Is it because this “cult” has over 14 million members? Is it because Mormons believe that they can become like God one day? I do not know what is so insulting about that.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:35pm@v15
Its not so insulting if they have a different god(they dont they claim its the same one). It is very insulting if they are claiming they can become like the God in the Bible. The God of the Bible is the one and only. No other like him nor will there ever be one like him.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:39pmMIBUGNU2: You took the words right out of my mouth when I read the headline.
Report Post »Only I was gonna say: A big block of people don’t want to vote for a Marxist who just happens to be a liar too.
Wonder if O plans to blame Bush for the Tax Cuts O just said he’d extend. hahahaha
v15
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:50pm@Mutiny (and others), So how do you perceive heaven will be? How will things operate? Do you really believe that people who don’t make it to heaven will literally burn for an eternity in fire and brimstone? I’m really curious how most Christians view heaven.
Report Post »ImMormon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:19pmMutiny,
Not the place for a discussion on theology, and I’m sad you feel it the place for one. You’ve obviously been to several “anit-mormon” Sunday school lessons put on by your local pastor. I get such a kick out of other “Christian” demoninations (yes, we actually do consider other religions Christian) use their time on Sunday’s to bash the teachings of other religions instead of teach what they feel is the correct interpretation of the bible. To each his own.
All of your excerpts of my beliefs were twisted and turned. Just like Obama and his cohorts twist and turn all their facts.
Yes, we do believe in God… we feel it is the same God you worship from the Bible. We believe that He is the Father of our Spirits and that we are His children. I believe that because He is my Father, He loves me, hears and answers my prayers, and cares about my welfare and spiritual progression. It is that relationship that helps me understand my relationship with Him… and helps me gain further insight into the age old questions… Where did we come from? Why are we here? What happens after we die?
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is my elder brother. He came to this earth and suffered for my sins so that I can become clean in the sight of God. I show my love for Him by trying my best to keep the commandments and learn of Him. Though I’m not perfect, I know he’ll make up the rest of the effort as long as I try.
I love God, Freedom, and America!
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:19pm@ BLUE
Report Post »These are the TAX CUTS he opposed last year.. But now that
we are in an election year.. He just happens to be for the cuts.
but only for a YEAR.. He will milk this…the MEDIA will say he is
all for the middle class and this cut is all about them…this guy
is totally disgusting.. he about had a hissy fit over these same
cuts last year–FUNNY We need to dump this BOZO !!!!
Still tryin‘ to got mo’ money from the rich folks, GOOD GAWD !!~
Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:35pm@v15
Yes, I think once Jesus Christ of the Bible came and his name is known people who do not accept him as they lord and savior will burn in eternal fire.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:54pmMutiny – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in and follows the King James Bible.
1) No longer foreigners and strangers, but fellowcitizens with the saints built upon prophets and apostles, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-20)
2) For flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven……upon this rock I will build my Church (Matthew 16:17-18) [The church was not built on Peter but revelation from God]
3) Lucifer – son of the morning – fallen from heaven (Isaiah 14:12) [premortal existance along with Christ and each of us]
4) Touch me not for I have not ascended to My Father (John 20:17)
5) And Jesus standing on the right hand of God [Stephen] (Acts 7:55)
6) As there be Gods many and Lords many.. but there is but one God the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
7) There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon and another glory of the stars (1 Corithians 15:41)
If I took your words as gospel, I would have to throw away 3/4ths of the Bible. Fortunate for me, I don’t propose personal interpretation. I acknowledge prophets and apostles who have the same gift of revelation as those who first wrote these teachings prior to their translations by mortal men.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:59pm@IMMORMON
In defense of MUTINY, he is very well versed in anti-Mormon talking points; much more than a ‘couple of Sunday school lessons’ could provide.
His mission is to ‘save’ us all from the ‘false doctrine’ we are taught.
Some of his best friends are Mormons (surprise!) and he prays mightily for the Lord to open their eyes so they can see the error of their ways.
He is generally a likable fellow who makes some excellent points.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:03pm@immormon
Well we are discussing the fact that some Christians will not vote for Romney due to his faith. I am explaining why. So I do think its a relevant discussion.
I have never once been to a Sunday school group that has ever talked about Mormons. The only time I ever heard Mormons discussed was on a youth trip on the bus ride our youth director was asked about the Mormon faith because I was dating a Mormon girl. I wanted to know what the difference was. I was in eighth grade so he didnt go into much at all.
Now I have no doubt Mormons worship a god. Its just not the same God from the Bible. If you believe there are multiple gods you do not believe in the God of the Bible. If you believe God was a man before being God, you are not worshiping the same God of the Bible. If you believe you can become a god, you do not believe in the same God of the Bible I do. If you believe Satan and Jesus are brothers you are not following the same Jesus Christ of the Bible.
You like the Muslims, Hindu, and Scientologists have every right to worship who you like. You can also claim to worship who ever you like. You can say its the God of the Bible and since Jesus Christ’s name is on your book you can think all you like you worship them but if you believe the things from other paragraph I hate to tell you but you may need to reevaluate things.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:25pm@mcsledge
I think you are missing the point. The one true God is all powerful. You are trying to twist this from God and Jesus being separate entities into there are many gods and you can become one. Talk about twisting.
On your third point. Where does it say we existed in a pre-mortal state? The question was how do you tie Satan and Jesus together as brothers.
On number 6, I believe you completely missed the context. Also you capitalized Gods and Lords which is also incorrect. If you read it correctly with the right capitalization it proves my point. Thank you.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Lets remember your church only believes the Bible if it is properly interpreted. Who again interprets for you. Look I believe Mormons over all are good people. I just think you have been tricked. Remember Satan used the idea of becoming like God to trick Adam and Eve. You dont think he use that again?
A Brother points out below, I have a very close Mormon friend who started me into this. We have these discussions all the time. He will never leave the LDS even after he sees the stuff we talk about.
Just read y
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:58pm@BROTHER_ED
Brother, thanks for the schooling. I didn’t look at it as a tactic. I couldn‘t care less what the feckless D’s or the impotent R’s foist upon one another in their strategy games. Especially when the attack is based on religion, appearance, sex, speech, etc. all of which I view as unimportant to a candidates potential leadership prowess. The R‘s and the D’s are the same thing. Their antics are little more than a family squabble as far as I’m concerned.
My post was just a “so what’s new” question more or less. The D’s will bring up anything they can against Governor Romney. Some of it will contain a grain of truth but it will be mixed with lies. The R’s will bring up anything they can against President Obama. Some of it will be true but it will be mixed with lies. There isn’t anything new in that. In the 40 years I’ve been paying attention to presidential campaigns that is de rigueur.
One day I hope more Americans learn to see the lightweights (D’s & R’s) for what they really are, and look elsewhere for a political home. If you look at the other candidates you don’t see the mud flying so much. They are mostly talking issues. I think multiple, viable parties are the only way our Republic is going to survive. Peace Brother Ed.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:58pmMutiny;
“My personal opinion is the Mormon faith is a creation of Satan.”
Cuz you’re full of caca. The next time your area gets LDS aid from a natural disaster, be sure to let people know that the aid comes from a Satanic organization and make sure neither you nor your family receives any such aid.
“I will not support a candidate of any faith I do not believe worships the same God and Jesus Christ of the Bible I do.”
Than there’s no reason not to vote for mitt Romney. period. But, if you don‘t want to because Romney’s Mormon, than good, don’t. Write in Ron Paul if that’s what your conscience dictates.
“With Romney its a very easy choice since he is so close to Obama policy wise.”
LOL. No he’s not. Here, http://www.mittromney.com/issues . Go to that site and show where romney’s “is so close to Obama policy wise”. To Paulbots, weveryone not libertarian is equally politcally evil. It’s one reason I think many Ron Paul supporters are stupid. There’ a lot to like about Dr. Paul but his base is filled with crazed imbiciles.
“No I am not voting for Obama, I believe he is an atheist(another creation of Satan). ”
He’s not an atheist but a black liberationist. I think he’s religiosity is a legitimate point of debate as I see him having used the Trinity United Church of Christ purely for political gain.
“so dont act surprised people are going to vote Ron Paul, 3rd party, or just stay home” – Considering the percentage of that group, I
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:14pm@v15
I’ve heard a lot of hearsay about the Mormon religion. I don’t know how I feel about them yet. I know we have differences of opinion, and some are fairly large. I’ve heard they believe man will become a god, have his own planet to populate with spirit children that come back here (or to their planet, not sure which). That being what they believe, I can’t imagine why a woman would join, just to be a baby factory in Heaven? I believe that heaven is a place where we will get all our questions answered. But I also believe that God literally sits on a throne and we will be in so much awe that we may not remember to ask. Everything we need will be there, there will be no need for electricity because God is power and all the light we need. We will have perfect bodies, but I don’t think they will look like these bodies. God will wipe away every tear we have, so I suppose we will forget those we tried to convince of this reality so we don’t mourn for them.
Yes, it burdens my heart sometimes, knowing that there are going to be people in Hell. Will they literally burn and not die? There are worse things than dying. I think they will be brought to the judgement seat, their name will not be in the Book of Life, and they will be cast out. Having known God’s presence, they will be forced to abandon it. I mostly try to forget that because I would then be obligated to try and save everyone.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:26pm@Brother-Ed;
“The left knows that evangelicals despise Latter Day Saints, even though you never hear a LDS member say they wouldn‘t vote for RP because he’s evangelical.
The fact is, Obama is in a world of hurt.”
Bingo!!!
@Immormon;
“Yes, we do believe in God… we feel it is the same God you worship from the Bible. We believe that He is the Father of our Spirits and that we are His children. I believe that because He is my Father, He loves me, hears and answers my prayers, and cares about my welfare and spiritual progression. It is that relationship that helps me understand my relationship with Him… and helps me gain further insight into the age old questions… Where did we come from? Why are we here? What happens after we die?
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is my elder brother. He came to this earth and suffered for my sins so that I can become clean in the sight of God. I show my love for Him by trying my best to keep the commandments and learn of Him. Though I’m not perfect, I know he’ll make up the rest of the effort as long as I try.
I love God, Freedom, and America!”
Great description of Mormon faith and worship and great reflection of how the majority Mormons see things politically / socially.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:49pm@darren
You know most large religions give aid. Even the Muslims do.
As far as your link to Romney’s web site. Lets look at facts.
Obama put out an ad the other day that said Romney was going to cut funding for Planned Parenthood and would try and over turn Roe v Wade. You know what the Romney camp did? They denied the ad as false. So is Romney not for those things? Honestly from his history, I would say he is pro choice. He was up until like 7 years ago so nothing would surprise me with Romney the Spineless.
Ok, Obamacare. Forget the fact the Romneycare was the precursor for Obamacare. Romney says he wants to repeal and REPLACE!!!! What part of the government needs to be out of health care does this moron not get?
On the FED, Romney stated clearly he didnt want to focus his time on the FED. He has many interviews stating Ben Bernanke is doing a good job. Only until recently( like the past 2 months) has Romney rejected Bernanke. Has Bernanke doesnt something different in the past two months? No, Romney trying to look like something he is not.
Romney keeps us in the UN.
Romney supports the NDAA.
Romney supports the Patriot Act.
Romney supports gun control.
Romney supports bailouts.
Romney’s budget doesnt cut current spending. That is a endorsement of Obama’s spending.
Yeah yeah, he is not a commie, blah blah blah. They both lead us to the same result which is bankruptcy and the end of the United States as we know it.
Report Post »opb
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:05amFunny how I read a post and when it turns out to be the most asinine dribble, it ends up being by @Mutiny,
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:33amMutiny;
My first post dissappeared completely and my conitnued second I erroniously posted it n the wrong section. Oops. So here goes again:
I know religions donate after natural disasters. All I ask from you is that you make due diligence and inform veryone from your area that all aid from Muslims, Mormons, or Atheists are from satanic organizations and that neither you nor your family accepts any such aid. (Obviously this is sarcasm. I hope and pray the best for your family but I’m calling you out for consistency)
Planned Parenthood.: Recently endorsed Obama and renounced Romney as bad. I’ve no idea why you said that his campaign has denied that Romney will cut funds to them. He said he would and was clrystal clear when he did. Besides, wouldn’t abortion be more accessible under President Ron Paul?
Obamacare: Romney will issue an executive order allowing all states to opt out. He’ll then work towards legislation to allow each state to decide for iteself on its own healthcare needs. That’s solidly conservative and libertarian and very unlike Obama.
(con’t – I‘ll repost my continuation already seen on Dredge’s top thread)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:35am(con’t – again)
The FED: No candidate except Ron Paul wants ot take on the FED. It’s a loosing issue. I fully oppose the FED I don’t care to use time and resources to oust it. That’ll take lots of time to do. This is a small issue in my mind. Right now Mitt Romney opposes Ben Bernanke and thus this makes Morney‘s policy different than Obama’s, no?
UN: None issue. Only Ron Paul pushes to get out immediately. While I support that it will take an act of Congress to remove the US and to withdraw funds from it.
NDAA: This has been way overhyped. There is no new authority from NDAA granted to the President.
Patriot Act: I support it too. Obama oposed it but has always embraced it as president. Ron Paul would do little different than George W. did as president in terms of keeping tabs of the enemy’s communications.
Gun control: Romney does not support gun control
Bailouts: I opposed all the bailouts while Romneyu supported the original one but has opposed all further bailouts unlike Obama.
Budget cuts: Romney absolutely suppports cutting spending. http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:38amLoriann (I originally posted this in the wrong section);
“I’ve heard they believe man will become a god, have his own planet to populate with spirit children that come back here (or to their planet, not sure which). That being what they believe, I can’t imagine why a woman would join, just to be a baby factory in Heaven?”
Scrach the own planet chrgin. That’s merely an idea offered by some LDS leaders in the past but has never had any bearing on LDS faith or worship. Becoming a god is actually deeply rooted in Christian history and it is solidly biblical. Also, in LDS theology, the man and woman are absolutely essential in progressing in Christ. Both are needed and both are equal inthe eyes on Gosd and in the eternities. Reducing the eternal role of women in the eternities to merely being a “baby factory” makes salvation quite trivial. kinda like sayng “we’re goingto become like blobs in the eternities” referring to the belief that we will not nhave bodies in heaven.
Anyhow, you’re more than welcome to visit an LDS church site for woship. You’re also welcome to talk to LDS missionaries about your curiosities and concerns.
Take are and God bless.
Report Post »Ivan in Phoenix
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:32amYet, Spike Lee would probably call you a bigot if you have a problem with Obama being a Muslim or going to that church he attended listening to the Rev Wright for 20 years. But Spike has a problem with a Mormon? Who’s the real bigot, Mr Lee?
Report Post »justin.blake
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:24pm@Mutiny-
OK dude..I have had it with your ‘product of Satan’ garbage. Really. The argument that Mormons worship a different Jesus than Christians is not only indefensible, but ludicrous. Mormons may have a different perception of Christ, His mission/divinity/relationship with God the Father, etc. But it seems to me that they accept the Christ of the Bible, who walked in Jerusalem, and taught His gospel. As far as I know, there was no other Christ walking around at that time, who is referenced in what we have now as the Holy Bible. Those that insist they worship a ‘false’ Christ have really not thought about their argument at all. A ‘false’ Christ would be one different than He who the Bible describes. One who claims to be ‘like’ the Christ of the Bible, but is not Him in person.
Lets make it simpler. Out of all the people you know, would you say that your perception of who they are is an accurate description of them? Or are there things about them you do not know, or do not understand? You maybe have a much better shot at being right about your own family members, or even yourself, but someone else? I doubt it. Mormons see the Christ of the Bible differently than you do, but that does not mean they worship a different being. They worship Him differently than you do. Big flippin deal. Do you have all the answers? If not, I suggest you withhold judgement until you do.
Report Post »rc0213
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:14amSpike Lee shows his discrimination by this statement. But, there are people who sees Obama as a Muslim, but do you see people making public comments on that? No, because there is this thing called class and respect in public. Something the liberals tend to forget.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:28am“Something the liberals tend to forget.”
Something liberals do not possess.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:07amActually people are always calling Obama a Muslim. I dont think he is a Muslim, I think he is an atheist.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:00pm@ Mutiny
Actually, I would qualify him as an Opportunist in the religious regard. He is whatever religion he needs to be perceived as to gain favor.
In all reality, I know a lot of atheists that have far more moral fortitude and personal honor than Obama. Lumping him in with them is an insult to honorable atheists the world over.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:00pmAccording to some polls up to 25% of the people in the country will not want to vote for a Mormon.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:14amThe man is a vampire zombie and knows nothing about politics.
OMG
Report Post »Ratspinkie
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:13amMr. Lee, there will also be a block of people in the Black community who will not support a president who believes in gay marriage.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:24amIt will be a small group, but did anyone think Romney was going to get a big chunk of the black vote anyway? I’m sure the Romney folks already know who the black community will vote for.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:41am@ GONZO… I think it will be a HUGE group of black people who won’t vote for Obama on that point alone.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:54amI hope you are correct sir, I’m betting they will still vote on skin color. Romney can’t count on the black vote to swing this election. Hispanics either. It’s up to the white folks. Are we smart enough to “Do the Right Thing”?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:10am@gonzo
What is the difference between voting against someone for religion or color vs voting for someone for religion or color?
Romney got 93% of the vote in Utah in the caucus. Obama got 93% or 96% of the black vote in 2008. Either way it going to happen. The GOP should have known this was going to be a problem and no shoved this candidate down our throats.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:17amMutiny: “The GOP should have known this was going to be a problem and no shoved this candidate down our throats.” No argument from me there.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:23amMy personal research from asking black people that I know is that they are not going to vote for Romney or Obama. They’re going to stay home this time.
Report Post »Erica
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:24pm@Mutiny “Romney got 93% of the vote in Utah in the caucus. Obama got 93% or 96% of the black vote in 2008.” This is a bad comparison. You are assuming with no knowledge that everyone in Utah is Mormon! Around 60% of the population is (ranges from 58-62% based on which census or survey). Utah is basically the most conservative state in the Union. That’s why so many voted for Romney, not because he is “Mormon”. All conservative candidates in Utah get that high of a percent!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:39pm@erica
Are you really saying Romney got such a high vote because he is a the most conservative? If so, you need to do some research before you post. Romney is more liberal than McCain. He could run as Obama’s vp he is so liberal.
1. Pro choice.
Report Post »2. Pro spending.
3. Pro war mongering.
4. Anti Freedoms.
5. Pro bailouts.
6. Pro FED.
7. Pro UN.
8. Pro amnesty.
9. Pro national healthcare mandate.
Erica
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:35pm@Mutiny Romney was the only candidate left by the time Utah had its primary (it was June 26th or so)!!! I‘m saying it doesn’t matter if Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich or Michelle Bachmann were left, they would STILL get that much of the vote (to show support for the movement and be good citizens). Has nothing to do with being Mormon at ALL. I mean generally (not just caucus) Utah will always vote for the republican overwhelmingly. You can’t say its because of race or religion. Let me tell ya, Harry Reid (who is also LDS) would lose by a landslide if he was a politician in Utah.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:20pm@ERICA
Dang it! I just looked at a map of Nevada hoping that Searchlight was somewhere in the extreme northern portion of the state. I thought maybe Utah could annex that section and we could all be Harry Free. Oh well, it was worth a look.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:32pmOops, I meant extreme eastern part of the state, but typed northern.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:18pmErica;
You’re correct. Mormons don’t vote for people just because they are Mormons:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/oct/17/mormon-vote-more-faith-angle/
Report Post »Uechi
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:13amIf people can vote for a Black Antichristian Marxist they can certainly vote for anybody. At least Romney is a real Christian not a commie lying POS like Barry.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:32amIf people vote for this communist they should than be tagged as communists, in fact a vote for Obama should automatically revoke US citizenship.
Americans are not communists.
Americans who want communism are not real Americans.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:12amInteresting, because, there’s an even bigger block that is saying to themselves”: I’m not voting for this LIAR.
Report Post »h20sue
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:11amThey have a choice. Muslim or Mormon…. I’ll take the latter. Muslims are taking over the country, thanks to Obummer. More Mosque being built then you realize…. I think Mitt is a good family man with the highest of morales and integrity. I feel he will lead this country into a better direction. I think Obama had done nothing more but support all the wrong businesses, gays, etc. It’s time to bring back Amercia. and Spike Lee is an Obama supporter, so why do you think he said this?
Report Post »alpha2omega47
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:11amI’d rather support Romney than the Antichrist as you do ~ fat-cat, Hollywood, liberal, anti-American moron.
Report Post »razvedka
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:10amThere will also be those who will not vote for a communist. So, their choice will be a communist or free market capitalist. There will also be those who will not vote for a muslim. So they too will have a choice between a Christian and a phone SOB who is whatever he thinks will get him re-elected.
Report Post »nostromo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:09amGee, I thought he said there would be a block of people who wont vote for a moron.
Report Post »guntotinsquaw
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:11amThat’s what I was thinking..the Mormon or the Moron. It’s not that difficult of a choice.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:15amNo Spike is the moron, I would vote for a pile of dog poop rather than Obama.
Report Post »battles
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:23amTake your pick. A Muslim, communist, sympathizer with a Muslim name, or a Mormon. Obama is the first U.S. president that didn’t have a Christian name.
Report Post »guns-an-bibles
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 10:42pm“I think there will be a block of people saying, “I cannot vote for a Mormon.”
The funny thing is there will be a much bigger block of much smarter people who will say “YES I CAN… vote for a morman!”
Report Post »sydneybond
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:08amMormons believe in the US Constitution unlike the commie now in office
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:11amOverall Mormons do. The problem is Romney doesnt.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:09pmthan why did the practice socialism?
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:51pm@INDIVIDUALISM
Most small groups have practiced some form of communal organization when it starts out.
The early Christians did. The Pilgrims did.
It is not unusual.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:06amWhen it comes to choosing between a mormon and a black liberation theologist, I will choose the mormon; though, this particular mormon makes me want to hold my nose as I vote. I vote on issues, not on the man, because I recognize that all men are flawed, and none are worthy of my placing my trust in them. But when it comes to voting, I’ll be voting the Constitution, and Obamacare proves that progressives are just trying to progress past the constitution. So not one will receive my vote.
Report Post »kat747
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:05amAnd there are a lot of people who will follow the US Constitution and not vote for a person that is
Report Post »not a natural born citizen.
momrules
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:04amObama………Muslim, socialist, dictator in waiting.
Romney…….Mormon and not my 1st choice for President.
Who will I, a Christiian American patriot vote for? Yes, I will vote for Romney.
Would I vote for another black person for President? Yes. If he/she were properly vetted and no mystery surrounded him/her, if that person were American in every sense of the word and not just a skin color.
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:14amI don’t understand how you people keep saying that Obama is a dictator in waiting. Have you guys ever heard of separation of powers? What makes you think that in Obama’s limited tools in the executive and the obstruction he faces in the Congress could ever allow him to become a dictator, other than some insane cockamamie plot? It’s as if you people feel safe behind your veil of anonymity you are granted through the internet to say insane and stupid things, or you really are insane or stupid.
Report Post »DBlo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:36amANTITHEIST – Did you forget about his amnesty by executive order? Or about how Obamacare is now deemed a tax, even though it didn’t originate in the house, and somehow that’s OK? Or about how executive privilege is only to be used in cases when the president himself has been involved in someway, not to protect an attorney general who’s been caught red handed? It‘s pretty clear that this current president doesn’t care about checks and balances. And it‘s pretty clear that you aren’t paying attention.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:15am@DB
Did you forget Romney did attack Obama over that amnesty also? Did you forget that Romneycare was created by Romney? Did you also forget instead of attacking Obama on Obamacare he instead steered clear of it and all he said is he will “repeal and REPLACE” it? Or did you not see the ad the Obama people put out claiming Romney wanted to close Planned Parenthood and overturn Roe vs Wade, its the same ad the Romney camp said was a lie? In other words Romney doesnt want to end funding to Planned Parenthood and overturn Roe vs Wade.
Report Post »Sgt_Rock
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:48pm@Mutiny, I guess my question for you is…What is your problem? If the Mormons are wrong they’ll be very surprised when they die. If they’re right, you’ll be very surprised in the afterlife. Of course if Shinto(ism), or Buddhism, or Hinduism, or God forbid, Atheists are correct, then we’ll all be up a creek. This country was founded on principals that include the freedom of religion. That would be ALL religions. I have served with several Mormons over the course of my life and had theological discussions with some. Never once did I hear them describe any other faith as an “abomination.” Nor have I heard them speak ill of any other faith, even when another faith (baptisits in particular) or clergy of another faith attack their faith with hateful, usually inaccurate, diatribes. Aren’t Christians taught to love all people as Christ did? “Forgive their trespasses” as it were? To me, you sound like a bitter, angry, pious a**h***, not a gentle Christian soul following the teachings of Christ. It is hypocritical fools like you that make all Christians look like idiots. Christians trashing other Christians is what the enemies of freedom (Muslim Fundamentalists) are banking on. I would bet that when the time comes to stand against the Muslim interlopers, Mormons will be on the front line (Just as in every war since the 1840s) along with Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodist, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and everyone else threatened by the alleged “religion of peace.” R
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:40pm@SGT ROCK
Well said!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:31pm@sgt
I have few problems. Nothing on these forums have anything to do with them either. Look I dont like Romney for his politics.
As far as my anti Mormon stuff goes, well the way I see it I am talking to the lost. I am hoping if one Mormon looks at what I type and goes and does research they may find the God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Its no different really than when Mormons ride up and down the street and talk to Catholics trying to get them to convert to Mormonism. If you believe the other “Christian” faiths are wrong and you want to bring them to the LDS, why shouldnt I point out the differences and do it in my own way.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:40pm@sgt
As for the abominations quote.
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an ABOMINATIONS in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
Here are some other good ones.
“What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
“Christianity…is a perfect pack of nonsense…the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of t
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:45pmcontinued. It never gives me the 1500 characters.
apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324
“For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation …Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian’ churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men.”
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282
“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
“This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth…”
- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 164-165
These are the words of your prophets.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:38pm@MUTINY
We believe in Priesthood authority. This authority is necessary to preform the saving ordinances of the Gospel – one of those being baptism.
Just because my friend is the Chief of Police does not mean I have the authority to write up tickets. He has to give me the authority first.
Jesus gave this authority to the 12. After Judas committed suicide, the 11 ordained another to take his place.
This authority was eventually lost.
Other churches, full of well meaning, God fearing men did their best to carry on the work, but without the proper authority and revelations from God, the teachings of man crept in. Everything from indulgences to the Trinity.
This is a common theme throughout the Bible. We call them dispensations, times when the authority was on the Earth – Abraham, Moses etc. then there is always a rejection of the prophets and a falling away until the truth is restored again. The Jews were in a state of apostasy when Christ came.
The authority was again restored through Joseph Smith.
In this regards, the other churches, as well meaning as they are, do not have the authority required to perform the ordinances of baptism, sealing of families, etc.
If there was no apostasy (loss of authority) then the Catholics are the true church due to their claim to Peter, who was the chief apostle in Christ’s times.
But there was an apostasy, as Paul prophesied.
The good news is, the Church has been restored!
Report Post »RestoredAmerican
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:20pm@ Antitheist…You cant be serious! You‘re just funnin’,right?
Report Post »Sgt_Rock
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:59pm@mutiny, – “These are the words of your prophets.” My “prophets”? You assume a lot…my defense of other Christian theologies does not make me a Mormon. I have no prophets. I feel no need to seek the guidance of a prophet, some human figurehead in Rome, or slick talking bible thumping salesman. I don’t feel the need to be “saved,” because I am not in the need of rescue. I place my trust in my God given intuition, skill and abilities. I am alive today because of it, as are many of my friends. I take people at face value, without judgment, until they prove unworthy of my trust. Yes, I am cautious when my intuition tells me to be, and try to treat others as I am treated, or better. I fail at this on occasion. But I also “call them as I see them.” I can see no reason to tread on someone’s beliefs simply because you feel they are “lost.” I have a personal belief in a pre-existence (like the Mormons) and thought all religions did; it just seems to make sense. I also know a little about the 18th and 19th centuries, and know there was a huge theological upheaval during those times, with numerous “preachers” spewing fire and brimstone, false prophesies and other corruptions of Christianity, all in the name of power and wealth… which is no different than the fools walking around on a stage, with a microphone strapped to their heads and screaming hallelujah while living off of millions in “donations”…now that sounds satanic to me. RLTW
Report Post »Darren
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:23pmMutiny;
“Look I dont like Romney for his politics. ”
LOL. That is hardly the full truth.Even if you liked his politics you still would not vote for him.
@7/9/12 @ 11:06 am:
“My personal opinion is the Mormon faith is a creation of Satan. I will not support a candidate of any faith I do not believe worships the same God and Jesus Christ of the Bible I do.”
Mutiny
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:54pmWell Darren I actually said on another post Romney made my choice very easy. Had Romney been a good candidate I would seriously convicted. But as I said, Romney made it very easy. He is a liberal in a Satan lead church.
Report Post »javasport
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:32pm@Mutiny… yawn
Report Post »Just Here
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:37pm@ Mutiny,
Trust me
ANY church led by Satan would have been WIPED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH before it could get on it’s feet…
The LDS church has been running for quite some time now…
Report Post »CrawfishFestival2
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:49pmFrom “antitheist” –
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:14am
I don’t understand how you people keep saying that Obama is a dictator in waiting. Have you guys ever heard of separation of powers? What makes you think that in Obama’s limited tools in the executive and the obstruction he faces in the Congress could ever allow him to become a dictator, other than some insane cockamamie plot? It’s as if you people feel safe behind your veil of anonymity you are granted through the internet to say insane and stupid things, or you really are insane or stupid.
********
That might have worked three-and-a-half years earlier – but NOT now!
Obama is the most PARTISAN president in US History –
and the Most CORRUPT – witnessed on NUMEROUS occasions – from manipulating the courts – Hugo-Chavez-style- to obstruct justice – to not have his paid poll watchers held accountable for ACTS of VOTER INTIMIDATION; Obstructing investigation of hisACORN;
He ignores the Constitutional Authority of the Governors of The USA –
Obama does not believe in Separation of powers = as the Executive Branch of Govt – Obama writes his own legislation w deranged individuals in his CZAR PALOOZA – who are not “lawmakers” – but operate to subvert the power and authority of our US Congress = Legislative Branch of Govt.
The COMMUNIST PARTY USA endorsed obama for 2008 – and have endorsed him for re-election in 2012.
Report Post »Communism is a Dictatorship – and is what Obama is doing – as a Radical, of Muslim
Fubared
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:03amTru dat, yo.
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:02amWHat’s the difference of Spike Lee referring to Mitt @ Obama vs. A Mormon. Hate based on religion Spike is not what this country was founded on. What is someone were to reverse that? Say use the word N*****vs. Ronmey & all hell breaks loose. I would never use that word & I would show Romney the respect he deseves as an individual. Unfortunatley Mr. Lee is a bigot & a racist. Now because of religion? I wonder if a muslim ran for president if Spike would bring up his faith?
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:01amI’ve met several “conservatives” who said they would never vote for a mormon. Romney or not, even if they agreed 100% politically, they still said they wouldn’t vote for one. JFK had the same problem being a catholic.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:08amAnd yet JFK won his election. Just saying.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:14amToo bad Romney doesn’t have a mobster father who could arrange the stealing and stuffing of ballot boxes.
Report Post »toomuchgovt
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:01amwhat a raciest person Spike is. How about policies? Does this not matter in American Politics anymore.
Report Post »rosegrower
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:01amActually, there will be a larger block of people who will say, “I can‘t vote for Romney because he’s white.” Yes, Spike, racism does exist, just as religious bigotry exists.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:00amWow, what profound thoughts from such a little man, intellectually and otherwise.
Report Post »djmaine
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:59amWould they be mormonaphobes?
Report Post »Olygal
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:57amIf a white person said that about a black, he’d be excoriated up one side and down the other as being a racist. Why is it obligatory to be tolerant of intolerance from blacks, Moslems, and others?
Report Post »Altair
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:46amLow expectations justified.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:03pmRead his comments. He did not say he would not vote, or encouraged people to not vote, for a Mormon, he commented that there would be a Christian block who could not vote for a Mormon. A sad truth in this country. No different that saying that there is a white block that could not vote for a black candidate, also a sad truth in this country. Nothing racist in either statement. Sheesh.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:55amDidn’t stop them from voting for a Muslim with a “funny name.” People said the same thing about Catholics once…
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:55amToo bad in 2008 there was not a larger block of people saying they will “not vote for a tootsie roll.”
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:54amLet’s see, Mormon or Communist TRAITOR!!! I choose Mormon!!!
BTW, who is Spike Lee???
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:58amExactly. Why is Lee given even a vehicle for his rambling? Did he tweet Romney’s wrong address to the NBPP?
Report Post »djmaine
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:04amHe is an ancient film director from the late cretaceous period.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:14amSpike Lee is the same guy who has shown complete and total loyalty to a loser team like the Knicks. Hardly any surprise that he would support a loser like Obama. He wouldn’t even be able to tell you how many articles there are in the Constitution, let alone how many amendments. Probably too stupid to realize it was the democrats who supported slavery, who instituted the Jim Crow laws in the south, and who segregated everything from schools to the military, made up the core of the KKK, and fought against freedom for black men like him so he could share his uneducated opinion.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:11pmI choose the christian Gary Johnson, no socialism or communist practice in that faith.
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