Crime

Store Clerk Gets in Shootout With Robbers

Everything’s bigger in Texas. Everyone’s apparently bolder, too.

A store clerk at a Waco, TX smoke shop was startled when two robbers interrupted his evening shift with guns and demands for money. The clerk gave them the cash, but then gave them something else: a face full of lead. The clerk took out his own gun, a revolver, and began firing at the robbers from just feet away:

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  • Johnnyp1958
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:09am

    He needs to get a MAC10

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  • ridgerunner316
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:03am

    Look, y’all, de broda ben kep‘ down by whitey for fo’ hunned years, dey’s gots de rite to stick it to de man….I carry a hi-cap 9mm with the evil black talon +P+ 127 gr on my hip and a 38 with 135 gr. Gold dots as back up. I was instrumental in getting the +P+ rounds issued to the department I retired from, and they have had an excellent track record. Every @$$hole shot with them was stopped or killed. I also take my 870 loaded with buckshot when I work nights on our range, which stays open after the main shop closes. As soon as I can get nite sights on my XDM 9mm, I’ll put it on as it has a 19 round mag capacity. I also shoot 50-300 rounds a week when business is slow. Submitting to the thugs will most likely get you killed, but if I fight, I figure I stand a chance, especially when the ghetto/hood shooting technique displayed in this video and so many others is used. Remember, 90+% of shooting victims survive if gotten to medical care in time….

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  • david3755
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:01am

    A little more time on the range and a semi-automatic with a good clip full of ammo will make the difference next time.

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  • xm-1774u
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:00am

    good for him ! and get a real pistol that looks like a .22 better than nothing

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  • straytrooper
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:56am

    I bet the clerks need to change clothes. Omar, you change with Aadesh……

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  • TAKEITBACK
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:53am

    Texas rocks!!

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  • mrcritic
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:53am

    Good thing it wasn’t in Oklahoma City. Our moron DA would have filed discharging a firearm in the city limits against him.

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  • hAndyman54
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:52am

    And the liberals would defend the robbers, and want to prosecute the clerk.

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    • Sounding Off
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:15am

      Kind of makes you wonder WHO is being protected, doesn’t it?

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  • Paleo Archer
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:48am

    It’s getting to be the “Wild Wild West” out there!…What was the Profile of the perp’s?…OH Sorry. wrong question!..and that wasn’t brought up…Unless I missed it…

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    • chasbronson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:14pm

      They were monkey,you could tell by their gangsta body language.Sorry

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  • 80mesh
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:38am

    claymore mines on the counter with a post a note sayin …… free pictures smile and wait for flash

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  • wampanoag
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:29am

    Revolver is much better then a semi-automatic in this situation as it is more reliable. I would definitely recommend a bigger caliber, and some target practice. If all Americans were required to carry guns, the crime rate would be much lower.

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    • WAR PIGS CRAWLING
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:57am

      I carry 46 rounds of .40 on my person. I’ll go toe to toe with your revolver in a reload contest. Of coarse after the first shot, it’s a mute point. Glock 22…Rock out with your Glock out. (not my saying, but thought it funny)

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    • CaptGreg
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:16pm

      I carry an XD 40 with 12 + 1, and a NAA .22 Mag revolver as a backup. Reliability and accuracy from both.

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    • HiCap
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:20pm

      If you need to carry 46 rounds you should spend a lot more time at the range.

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    • chasbronson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:17pm

      @War pigs 46 rounds?where were you when the marine and his wife were being assaulted?Do you wear suspenders? The heavy duty kind?

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    • WAR PIGS CRAWLING
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:57pm

      @Chasbronson….yes, it’s called a duty belt. one round in the chamber, one loaded (15) round magazine in my holstered pistol, and two spare (15) round magazines on my belt. I‘m sorry I couldn’t help my brother in arms in FL, as I was on-duty 1600 miles away in MN. Ask a SWAT operator how many rounds they carry, and they will tell you as many as possible. Off-duty, I carry the aforementioned Kahr PM9 7+1. Trained, capable, and competent citizens are the first line of defense.

      I heard a very good truism: A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

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    • HouseMechanic
      Posted on December 31, 2010 at 9:55am

      Charter Bulldog .44 Special, 180 gr. jacketed hollowpoints with one 5-round speed loader. After the first round, the flash alone will stop most fools. Reliable, always fires, easy to handle with good grips. Easy to carry, lightweight fun for all good girls and boys.

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  • WAR PIGS CRAWLING
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:25am

    Excellent conceal carry: Kahr PM9

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  • clockwatcher
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:13am

    They are only looking for social justice. They are collecting money for Chalie Rangle or for the Black Jimmy Carter.

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  • Blight14
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:02am

    There seems to be a ‘pattern’ in most of these crimes but I just cant quite put a finger on it……hmmmm, let me think…………

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  • INFIDEL
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:00am

    @ RNURMIKKO I’m with you. .40 cal semiautomatic. And keep your eye on your target.
    @ DUSTYLUV So true. The cool head in a gunfight is usually the survivor.
    @ TRUEGRIT (Wolverine) Good point. More bang for the buck.

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  • Philo Beddoe
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:55am

    My suggestion is a Springfield XD .45 ACP with a extended clip.

    Those thugs would have thought the guy had a machine gun

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    • whitetailbuckeye
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:23am

      My thoughts exactly

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:49am

      No need for an extended magazine (not clip, magazine), a standard 7 or 8 shot magazine works fine for that scenario. Engagements at that range, < 15 feet, rarely see more than 3 shots fired, if that many.

      I'm all for large capacity magazines, btw, I just like to tailor my tools to their specific tasks. I'll take the large capacity magazines for more…spray an pray…types of weapons.

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  • jose wasabi
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:50am

    Way to go! Robbers are Socialists, they believe what you have is theirs.
    An armed America is a safer America.

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  • will
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:48am

    He’s either brave or crazy. Good for him!

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  • dantom
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:46am

    We should be allowed to carry period.

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:47am

      Come to Missouri: We do.

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    • TrueGrit
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:58am

      Doesn‘t seem to bother the ’bad guys’ not having permission.
      Why should you care, either. After you need to use and save your life
      you can argue the point.

      I mentioned 12 gauge above. Just another thought- they make 410. shot shells for the.38.
      At close range it’s very effective. It’s used for varmints and snakes-should work here.

      Wolverine

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    • mtnclimberjim
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:53am

      You are allowed to carry, period. Whether some states grant it or not is irrelevant, the constitution grants it.

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    • Disabledvet
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:08am

      Come to Oklahoma we can carry here.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:35am

      @Jim

      “You are allowed to carry, period. Whether some states grant it or not is irrelevant, the constitution grants it.”

      There we go, a much better take on gun rights than even most pro-gun people have, salute sir.

      I take it one step further. The Constitution doesn’t “grant” me a single right, I own those rights naturally as an individual, and they cannot be taken away, at all. The Constitution simply recognizes this reality and was created to help me protect my rights from those who wished to take them away.

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  • motorman
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:45am

    This is what needs to be shown on the national MSM every time it occurs! Talk about deterence.

    Crooks…geez!

    Can’t afford a pack of smokes but can afford a gun…go figure.

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    • TrueGrit
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:52am

      The guns are stolen also.
      And I’ve never seen them at any range practicing.
      And, I’ll be… I don’t think they have permits. Duh…

      Wolverine

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:43am

    What would things be like if this happened every single time?????????????

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:48am

      I guess people would shoot the clerk on sight and take the money.

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    • heavyduty
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:49am

      There would probably be less meaningless robberies. I mean where the risk out weights the benefits. Just like public hangings.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:03am

      @Non-sequitur

      Doubtful. History shows that when everybody (or most everybody) is armed and not afraid to use those arms, society becomes amazingly polite and docile.

      Think about it. Criminals don’t like risk. That‘s why they’re criminals in the first place, they don’t want a life filled with danger and hard work, they want the easy way out, hence why they steal instead of work for their own bread. If they worked under the certain knowledge that robbers always met with the end of a gun barrel, they’d be much less inclined to engage in robbery.

      Don’t believe me? Look at how pirates operated, who were robbers writ large. They steadfastly refused to attack naval vessels if they could avoid it, and preyed almost exclusively on lightly armed merchant ships. At first sight of professional naval ships (aka heavily armed) they fled in their much smaller, faster and nimbler ships away from danger. The only engagements they made with professional forces (aka heavily armed) were engagements where they were forced to through ambush.

      In short, criminals are base cowards. That‘s why they’re criminals. No, they wouldn’t walk in and start shooting immediately. They don’t have the stones, and never have historically. It is rare, and we know all of their names, to find actual criminals who don’t fear danger. It is rarer still to find one that lived any length of time with such an attitude.

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    • jimmythebullet
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:06am

      non-sequitur-
      not if people were trained in SA-situational awareness.i don’t know where you live,but here in south fla. we expect the thugs to do just that.that’s why Gov.Bush enacted the “stand your ground law” some years back,bless his soul!!
      now there are,exponentially,more dead thugs than store clerks.
      have a nice day.

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:20am

      Ghost of jefferson; you are basically correct, however pirates would run because the naval ships were far more heavily armed, and there was no profit in the fight. The downside for them was very large, just ask Blackbeards crew, they were hung in Williamsburg, VA.
      The downside of everybodies being armed, especially with the special gun crime laws, is that the creeps would be more prone to shoot. The upside is that far fewer of these loser’s would be willing to risk getting capped to rob someone. If everyone is armed, the other guy in a convienence store could end their career quickly.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:32am

      @Guy

      “however pirates would run because the naval ships were far more heavily armed, and there was no profit in the fight. ”

      That was kind of my point I guess, though I see the distinction that you’re making. They were so far ahead in arms superiority that to not run would be silly even for an armed man. Ok, fair enough.

      There are always psychotics in a society so yes, there would still be criminals. But it would be more like the Old West, which was FAR more peaceful than Hollywood tried to tell us. So peaceful in fact that we pretty much know all the criminals by name even today. In a society of millions of armed people, and one can only dig up < 50 (?) mad dogs over the span of almost a century, well that says something right there. And they all were either shot or hung by the neck until dead, myths to the contrary about Jesse James notwithstanding.

      Me, I'd much rather "take my chances" with everybody walking around packing heat than be "safe" in a society that had disarmed its citizenry. Odds of personal safety are so far superior when we're armed that it's not even debatable in my estimation.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:41am

    ill affects of our government not enforcing laws which allows criminals to roam lurking for victims.

    Unfortunate chain store store employees would have been fired for taking self defensive measures.

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    • KEA
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:52am

      You have got to be kidding me? I would NEVER tell an employee that they would lose their job for defending themselves. If they feel the need to defend themselves they should have TOTAL freedom to do that.

      Self defense cannont and shall not be dictated by any governemnt or boss!

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    • JGP
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 10:19am

      Poverty.Sucks is right. Some employees at the major convenient store chains have been fired for simply defending themselves by just fighting back. Google it.

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    • psst
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:30am

      @KEA.
      Poverty ain’t kidding.
      Many chain-store employees have been fired for same kinds of actions. Defending themselves And their Employers money.
      See, many employers only think they know what they don’t know.
      Some criminals won’t stop at just getting the loot. They want no witnesses.Some of them are so stupid they don’t even know they are on candid camera.Hence the no witness thingy.Also,some comes in masked.
      They can probably get more jail time for the armed robbery than the murder/s That’s how screwed up our judical (?) systems are..

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    • roughneck.seay
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 1:37pm

      Well, If I had to choose between my life and my job, I’d take the pink slip… If my gun can’t go, neither can I….lol.

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    • ichbin
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 2:18pm

      Pizza hut is one of them I believe. I also noticed that Toys R us has banned weapons from their store. There’s a story about a cop being asked to leave his weapon outside in Utah. Ridiculous…

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  • Satyr
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:41am

    Glad to see him shoot back =)

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  • rnurmikko
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:40am

    You need to get to the range for practice and buy a SW40.

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    • tenring
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 10:39am

      You know the old story, I only carry a 45 because I can’t get a 46.

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on December 30, 2010 at 7:40am

    Gun control is a steady hand when your heart is beating out of your chest!

    Good for him!!

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    • jimmythebullet
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:46am

      dustyluv-
      gun control means never having to say “i missed you”.
      i highly recommend a semi-auto with a little higher capacity or maybe the taurus judge loaded with win.super x 000 buck.the guy has balls,though.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:00am

      Robbers enter a store and try to steal a few dollars from a local business, they get shot at, chased by police and possibly arrested and thrown in jail or prison. Their actions are wrong and should be punished without a doubt but white collar robbers in suits and ties inside banks and the government collude to steal millions, billions, and trillions from the whole taxpaying nation and nothing happens. If Obama and congress suddenly say “Let’s start a Global friends fund to pay Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela each 1 trillion dollars so we can have peace.” What could the taxpayers do about it? They can reach right into your pocket by raising taxes, borrowing from foreign nations, or printing money at the federal reserve decreasing the value of your savings, unlimited robbing of the taxpayers without a gun. Where is real justice?

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    • hickoryrat
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:01am

      Texans need to get this man a .45 auto.If hes been robbed before it will happen again.

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    • Hoosier Daddy
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:10am

      If you are defending your business get a bigger gun and practice, practice, practice. It may not lessen the effect of raging adrenaline in a firefight, but muscle memory is a net positive. Here in Indiana my carry license allows me to carry openly (not concealed) but I have been loathe to do that. I didn’t want the strange looks or prying questions, but I‘m getting to where I just don’t give a damn anymore. I will keep my little LCP in my pocket, but I’m going to start carrying my .40 in a belt holster from now on and when people ask me why I carry a gun I can ignore them or just say that it‘s because I can’t carry a cop.

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    • Sinista Mace
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:56am

      .357 Magnum.

      It still enjoys a reputation of being the gold standard of stopping power among handgun cartridges and an “extremely reliable one shot stopper.”

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    • JGP
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 9:57am

      @ Jimmy the Bullet. Yes, the Judge would have been the ticket.

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    • tenring
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 10:18am

      JIMMYTHEBULLET, you are correct with your choice of the Taurus Judge. The Judge is chambered to hold both 45 colt center fired bullets and 410 shotgun shells. This is an excellent choice for most home defense. I recommend not using the 45 round because it can travel more than a mile. The better choice for close quarters defense is the 410 shot gun shell, it will drop off quickly after discharge. Should you ever need to shot in your defense the discharged 410 shot gun round will not kill the kids in the next room or the house next door. Anyone considering a gun for home defense please check out the Judge.
      http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

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    • handloader
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:16am

      As someone who sells firearms for a living, I have a unique perspective on what people choose to carry or use for self-defense. In my store, we have a poor to middle class clientle, and they buy guns that they can afford. Yes, the Taurus Judge is a viable option for defense but if you do purchase one take it to a local gunsmith IMMEDIATELY for an action tune and reliability check. They are great guns for close range defense—if they work. I have had to do action jobs on many of these guns because of poor quality control at the factory. They seem to have a problem with that in their Brazilian manufacturing facility. Also, the .410ga. shotshell is a good load in them for CLOSE range (within 5-7 feet). After that the pattern spreads too widely due to the rifled bore.

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    • JESUS-IS-LORD
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:21am

      Now THIS is a great story.

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    • hud
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:23am

      This can get you killed. A liquor store in my area was regularly robbed and the owner did this one day, and the next robber walked in and blew him away. Live coward or dead hero take your choice. Another choice -get a store in a better area.

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    • tenring
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:37am

      HANDLOADER, Good advice regarding the Judge. Personally I spend time at the range practicing my skills. Those of us that make range time always consider what is down range. What is your best recommendation for home defense?

      tenring  
    • Bum thrower
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:36pm

      A good Glock, and maybe a shot gun to finish the job. In Texas burgulary and armed robbey are HIGH RISK occupations. I nominate him for the 2010 “Joe Horn” award. Altho a guy in Houston is the current favorite; he got 3!!

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    • RodTag
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:37pm

      Now that they think you have only six shots, surprise them with a shotgun and give one to your buddy too. Make the result something every low-life remembers and tells to their low-life buddies.

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    • Cobra Blue
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 1:38pm

      Only thing better than this would have been if the store owner had a semi auto Saiga 12 guage with a 12 round clip. Just aim in the general direction and he could have removed limbs…even their head. Like that famous line from John Wayne in the movie BIG JAKE. When comfronted with the bad guy towards the end of the movie John Wayne says, “Now you understand! Anything goes wrong…anything at all. your fault, my fault, nobody’s fault. It don’t matter. I’m going to BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF. It’s as simple as that.” Ahhh! Self-Reliance is a beautiful thing.

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    • 101
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 2:04pm

      .
      Would sombody in Waco, TX sell them a real gun…Colt .45 ACP 1911 government model.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 3:16pm

      Maybe get a bulletproof counter next time, too. Maybe a shotgun would have been more effective since it hits a wider target. Funniest thing I saw was on Tru-TV. The guy had a window that would slam shut on his counter, and when he got robbed, it slammed shut on the robber.
      Shoot back, don’t make it easier for thugs.

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    • docvet
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 4:03pm

      And don’t bother hiding behind a glass case. You might as well just stand up and shoot streight. Good job!

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    • Mr. H.
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 4:57pm

      That’s just part of it. Mostly, it’s hitting what you shoot at.

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    • VTHS
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 5:13pm

      The Judge is nothing but a gimmick a the .410 out of a handgun is not effective and becomes wildly innacurate after 5-10 yards which may cause stray rounds to hit bystanders.

      The best gun is a gun 9mm/.38sp. and up, loaded with heavy, modern jacketed hollow point ammunition, that you know how to operate under stress.

      I hope anyone who reads this will seriously give thought about getting training from a reputable and qualified trainer.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:43pm

      KICKILLEGALSOUT,

      The most powerful weapon we have is our wallets. If people stopped paying taxes, the government would have to come up with a new game-plan.

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    • Pocono Countryboy
      Posted on December 31, 2010 at 11:06am

      Kudos to this store clerk. I do recommend remedial training at the range however…try to simulate firing under stress –quick and accurate fire will save your live..spray and pray may not.

      On weapon choice…Everyone seems to think that a shotgun is going to throw some huge pattern when used for self defense but this is not the case. It WILL drop what or who you hit but at close range the pattern is small. Test this for yourself. Shoot at a target ten feet away and you will notice the tight shot pattern…a few inches at best even with a wide open choke.

      All that aside, it will have a devastating effect on your target even with birdshot. Hit them in the chest and it will be like hitting them with a grenade. There’s no putting them back together again after a shot like that so be sure you want them dead (in this case and any other similar situation that I can think of that would be the desired outcome).

      And that Judge 45 colt round will not carry a mile out of that gun as stated by one poster..the barrel is way too short to allow complete combustion of the power load. It would however make mince meat out of any target victim unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end. 45 cal entry wound… large jagged exit wound and jellied internal organs.

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    • racialcoward
      Posted on December 31, 2010 at 11:39am

      NEW JERSEY DEMANDS STORE CLERKS SURRENDER TO BLACK ROBBERS.

      In New Jersey that store clerk would be behind bars right now for protecting his life and property. Texas should break away from the US and remove its Star from the US Flag.

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    • racialcoward
      Posted on December 31, 2010 at 11:44am

      I LIKE THAT GUY, HE CAN WORK WE ME ANY TIME.

      That gun looks like a 45 caliber so it must have made some nasty holes in that robber who is now in tha hospital receiving the best of care at taxpayer expense. HIPA law will prevent the hospital from reporting the robber’s holes to the police.

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    • jmparrish
      Posted on January 1, 2011 at 5:29am

      YEA, doing this is going to get him killed, I dont think he shot anyone, and if he did, the other guy who did not get shot is simply going to kill him next time; there is no substitute for suprise and the aggressor always has the advantage of suprise and almost always wins a fight of any kind.

      These stores located in bad areas need to invest in a bulletproof barrier like plexiglass just like at the check cashing places. . . you dont ever hear of those places getting robbed.

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    • jmparrish
      Posted on January 1, 2011 at 5:35am

      Im not sure if the general public can get them and i dont know why they wouldnt be able to but police rounds for the 9mm fragment upon hitting something like a wall making it less likely that it will go through and kill an innocent bystander. . .people should consider those rounds although i forgot what they are called. . .

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    • jmparrish
      Posted on January 1, 2011 at 5:43am

      Unfortuantely the prisons and jails have so many manditory sentences for dumb crap like trying to regulate what adults can put into their bodies like marijuana that there is no room for real criminals that do crap like this. . . you ******** need to get on the bandwagon to decriminalize drugs and quit sending the kids to the criminal college (lock up).

      Combine what that manditory sentences for real crimes like armed robbery. . . Life in Prison. No Parole. And dont let them just sit around in prison make them work for their daily bread. . . ie: farming and manufacturing. . .That would solve most of the crime issues in America today.

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    • UPSETVET
      Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:54am

      Trade your six shooter in on a Clock, get a concealed gun permit, so you’ll have it more accessible for quick action. Keep an eye open and stay ready for any return engagement . You might even find it helpful to get some close combat and firearm self protection training. All in all, you did great. You make a retired combat Marine and fellow Texan proud.

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