‘Shoved, Slapped or Hit’: Study Links Spanking Children to Mental Disorders in Adulthood
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The controversy over physical punishment for children continues with studies linking it to agression and other disorders. Some state there are other non-physical punishments that are better for children. (Photo: Shutterstock)
A new study from Canadian researchers is linking physical punishment of children, like that in the form of spanking, to mental disorders later in life. Other scientists though are saying the research is appears biased and not taking into account other factors that could account for their findings.
(Related: Does spanking make children predisposed to aggression)
Published in the journal Pediatrics, researchers from the University of Manitoba in Canada examined data from a U.S. epidemiologic survey from 2004 to 2005 and found 2 to 7 percent of mental disorders could be associated with physical punishment in childhood. Such disorders included those affecting mood, anxiety, personality and alcohol and drug abuse.
Harsh physical punishment in the study survey included being “pushed, grabbed, shoved, slapped or hit” by parents or other adults.
The study states:
The current findings advance our knowledge of the relationship between harsh physical punishment and mental disorders in several novel ways.
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The prevalence of harsh physical punishment in this study (∼6%) was lower compared with other general population samples (48%–80%), 5,19 likely due to inclusion of physical acts harsher than spanking alone, stricter inclusion criteria for physical punishment including occurrence of at least sometimes or greater (ie, not including rare frequency), and only including physical punishment cases in the absence of several types of more severe child maltreatment. A surprising finding was that increases in education and income were associated with elevated odds of harsh physical punishment
Watch Dr. Drew on HNL discussing the results on the study with some listeners calling in support of spanking:
The data was from the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions, which sampled 34,753 adults 20 years of age or older. According to the research, respondents who cited being physically punished were 9 percent more likely to exhibit a dependence on alcohol, 41 percent more likely to have depression and 24 percent more likely to suffer from panic attacks.
With these results, the researchers believe health care workers should relate to parents the link between physical punishment and the potential for increasing likelihood of these disorders. They also write that physical punishment could also have public health implications. For example, they suggest that by instituting policies that would reduce physical punishment, it could “decrease the prevalence of mental disorders in the general population.”
Some on the other hand not only consider the research biased but they call out this suggestion for law reform to ban physical punishment of children. Occupy Corporatism, an “alternative news site” that touts reporting actual news “not as it is spun by the corporate funded mass media,” reported several scientists weighing in on the research as it is being reported:
Dr. Joshua Williams, Faculty in the Department of Psychology and Director of the Perceptual-motor Learning and Action in Infants (PLAI) Lab at Armstrong Atlantic State University says: “Some of the first writings on education and physical punishment in education state the fact that physical punishment is typically ineffective as far as changing behavior. The implications COULD be severe. When you read the title it’s very catchy and tells you that spanking leads to this.”
Williams believes the decision to spank your child or not is subjective, however he strictly suggests that time-out and taking a child’s favorite toy away is much more effective in curbing unwanted behavior.
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Roya Samuels, a pediatrician at Cohen Children’s Medical Center in New York, adds that “unruly behavior” has a strong genetic link that the researchers did not take into account. Samuels said: “Parents who are resorting to mechanisms of corporal punishment might themselves be at risk for depression and mental disorders; therefore, there might be a hereditary factor going on in these families.”
Occupy Corporatism also calls attention to the United Nation’s Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the study authors mention as one of the methods that have “altered the physical landscape of punishment.“ Occupy Corporatism points to the UNCRC as a ”‘special convention’ of international leaders that outlines special needs of ‘people under 18 years old often need special care and protection that adults do not.’“ It claims the convention ”[enforces] their ‘new vision of the child’, the UN sees children as an ‘individual’ over the structure of the family and contributor to the ‘community’ by declaring their ‘rights and responsibilities appropriate for [their] age and stage of development.’”
Although 196 countries have ratified the U.N.’s CRC, the U.S. has only signed it — not ratified it. But, it will come before the U.S. Senate on November 20, 2012, for ratification. There are groups advocating its ratification, such as the Child’s Rights Campaign, and others who are opposed, such as Parental Rights, which is advocating an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to include language saying “the liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.”
Find the full text of the study here.
This story has been updated to include more information.
(H/T: Blaze reader Karol)
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william 123
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:58amDiscipline is a necessity for being a parent. Dr. Spock, reports like this and liberal new age religion have done more damage to parenthood than anything else. Tell you what…I’ll stop spanking, grounding and timeouts and when my kid has a gun in your face or is stealing from you….I’ll say “I told you so”. The Bible is very clear “spare the rod, spoil the child”. In fact I know of some OWS people that are well into their 20′s and need a butt whooping!!!
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:16amI agree that discipline is needed, the child needs to learn absolutes . But never in anger, calm down before .
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:25amShoved , slapped, and hit…..is way different than a spanking.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:54amLook at how well not disciplining has worked out children behaving like animals only suitable to be locked in cages (Prisons) and the lack of respect for others and property I say the mental damage of no discipline outweighs simple discipline.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:07pmDr. Spock recanted.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:14pmSorry guys, I can only take just so much BULL. Many children are so wild, have rude behavior due to the fact the parents either don’t discipline at all and let the kids get away with everything, or parents who let their children raise themselves with essentially no parental input except to smack them around. Can’t have it both ways, but a child never learns to grow without, LOVE, consistency and training in the home. Going to church helps learn about God and our moral responsibilities. Having a good Mom & Dad is essential.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:20pm@rickc34
Report Post »I am a born again Christian and yes I spank my kids…
My discipline structure is as follows….I would love to get some feed back on it…..
If my boys (that’s all I have are boys 2 of them) misbehave the first step is 10 pushups and can go as high as 30 depending on the offense.
If they do something that would merit more then 30 pushups they get 10 stairs and those also will only go to 30….and if they are exceptionally wicked I have been know to combine those…
I use exercise because God made the human body in such a way that you will pass out before you die ;) and while they are doing the exercises I have time to cool off while I supervise. It is also hard to over do this kind of discipline but it is easy to over spank.
Spanking is reserved for acts of violence towards others OR direct defiance because I have to win or my kids loose.
It is good, right and godly to spank your kids and DESPERATELY wicked to beat and abuse them.
comments are welcomed here :)
1592
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:27pmYes it can. I got my azz beat all the time and I learned to listen very well. I didn‘t beat My son’s azz and He is a real punk. I wish I could go back and knock the crap out of him.
Report Post »moomaw10
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:53pmI am a child of a father who spanked us all IF we needed it an I did the same when I raised my children…. I an my sisters are all normal and my 5 kids are all well adjusted adults…In fact I have aedult children I am “PROUD” of… Spanking is never wrong IF not mad at child when applied…. In my HUMBLE opinion that is when our country stated declining when people like Dr Spock started his “dribble”…
Report Post »knockered
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:55pmJohnny you were bad you killed your friend and thats bad, now go in the naughty corner till you learn that was wrong..lol.. Yeah right. More government intervention where there should be none.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:12pmI follow God’s words in the Bible as well. This study is another bunch of crap!
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:20pmBefore the age of 6, children must be clearly shown that their parents are the boss. How that is done is up to the parents but it must be done. If it is not done, the kids will soon show the parents that they are the boss and things will go downhill from there.
Spanking on the butt just enough to humiliate and not hurt the child is good. To go further is neither necessary nor good. If a parent is angry at the child, never spank but clearly let the child know they will have a come to Jesus moment with their parents at a later time when all anger is gone and then follow through based on common sense and logic, not emotion.
To single out spanking as always a bad thing adds nothing intelligent to the subject.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:02pm@Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:25am
Shoved , slapped, and hit…..is way different than a spanking
Report Post »***
I’ve seen this headline several times and thought exactly that. To be used as a DISCIPLINE TOOL spanking has it’s place in the line of discipline, but slapping, shoving and pushing are more bullying than a good spanking is. If a child knows if he does x he’s grounded, he’s going to weigh the temporary pleasure over the aggravation of grounding. If X is a dangerous enough activity, a parent needs to have a tool beyond grounding. Some kids don’t believe in rules until someone Physically enforces them. (Just like borders?) If that child knows that to do Y, is a severe problem and 1, 2, 3 whacks with a paddle to the well padded backside may cause a soreness, OR embarrassment which causes them to decide it’s not worth it. This should be administered when the adult is not emotionally excited. Should be something that’s done, then not repeated constantly for the same offense. And NOT DONE UNTIL THE CHILD CRIES! THEN IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE BETWEEN ADULT AND CHILD, NOT A DISCIPLINE TOOL! If done properly parents can talk it over calmly with the child afterward. My kids often had a “Time Out” afterward until they could calmly tell me WHY they were spanked, and why it was important enough for physical punishment. Once this took over an hour for my son, who didn’t see that kicking his younger sister in the head was worth more than just the time out!
Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:09pm@knockered
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:55pm
Johnny you were bad you killed your friend and thats bad, now go in the naughty corner till you learn that was wrong..lol.. Yeah right. More government intervention where there should be none
Report Post »****
Fits right in with arresting someone on the battlefield then reading their rights (like Afghanistan fighters have Constitutional Rights from America because they are killing Americans!) Shows the insanity of America today doesn’t it?
JoeInOKC
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:32pmThe bible does not say “Spare the rod and spoil the child” It actually says “He who spares the rod HATES his child.” That’s a lot worse than spoil (IMHO).
Report Post »Ft Lauderdale Dad
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:36pmDiscipline is not defined as striking a child. I’m a Christian, Christian school, Christian University…and the rod in proverbs translates to a shepards rod. If a lamb was straying…the shepard didnt beat the lamb…he guided the lamb to where it belongs. Proverbs has some great advice in it…but it’s also in the Old Testament…which advocates stoning a rebellious kid in Deuteronomy.
I’m guessing you eat pork, lobster, shrimp, etc……all outlawed in the OT.
Proverbs also says if you beat him with the rod, he will not die. Isnt that comforting? That word for rod is different in the original Hebrew…but it’s ALL in the Old Testament. Unless you are Jewish Orthodox…this is not your religion.
Christ clearly stated, speaking of children, that whatever you do to the least, you do to him. You cannot cherry pick what you believe from the OT while not paying any attention to other parts. To be consistent….you would have to follow all the laws from the OT, but instead you latch onto 1 verse that you infer as giving permission to hit a child.
Report Post »JoeInOKC
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:38pmThe bible also says “If you beat him with the rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with the rod and save his soul from hell.”
Report Post »Ft Lauderdale Dad
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:49pmJoe……….i know, it’s in my origninal post. you should say the old testament says it. the old testament also says to kill adulterers, kids who curse at their parents, non believers, entire towns if 1 person doesnt worship god, fortune tellers, anyone who works on the sabbath, witches, false prophets and anyone who blasphemes.
once again….it’s the OLD TESTAMENT. does this give you biblical permission to do this too?
Report Post »Ft Lauderdale Dad
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:04pmFAVORED………….i agree completely w/ the exercise. my kids do squat thrusts, push ups, sit ups, crunches, wind sprints and some times combinations of all. there is no “time out” in our house
Report Post »rp454
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:21pm@favored93 – You appear to be on the right track. My wife and I also reserved corporal punishment for direct defiance and found some other method for lesser infractions. One of my wife’s favorites was “nose down” (on the floor). Anyway, our oldest son is 23, working full time while getting his Masters in Engineering and is engaged. Our younger son is 22 and working as an EMT while getting his Paramedic license. Our daughter is 20 and will be a junior in college working toward a degree in physical therapy. Looks like we did something right. None of them appear to be scarred. These liberals always think they know everything and feel compelled to impose their views on everyone else.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:26pmThe word “discipline” comes from the word “disciple,” one who learns. You teach your child when you discipline them. You DO NOT discipline them out of anger and it HAS to be started early.
Report Post »One does NOT slap, push, pull hair, nor kick a child, this is abuse. When you spank a child, it hurts their sense of letting you down more than it does physically. This report is skewed by the Dr. Spock followers, who raised the hellions that are Occupying these days. It does more harm to the child NOT to discipline them, and is actually more abusive to let them run free without a care.
People are always complimenting us for having such mannered children. The problem is in comparison to other children, my children seem to have so much more manners and respect, because the other children have none.
koyettsu
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:24pmIt cannot unless you abuse your child, I was spanked, I am fine, in fact better than fine. I consider myself lucky that I was spanked and I will without a doubt offer the same punishment to my future child if the situation warrants. I will be damned if the Govt. will tell me otherwise.
Report Post »Wojciech W.
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:49pmHow about EVERYBODY HERE shut the hell up, mind your damn business. You want to beat your kids? Go ahead. You want to Push, Shove and Hit? Go ahead. IT IS NOBODY’S BUSINESS!!! Know this! Everything you do has consequences. Your children will be scared for life, scared of you, act like a beaten dog. Is this you you wish to be remembered as? How will your children remember you as when you die? It should be nobody’s business but your own. But do you feel better that you beat your child to the point they quiver under the table? Yes I know how that feels. But I have hindsight, I know why my father did those things, because of my grandfather. Will I beat my kids? Maybe. spank my kids? I do. Toss them on their A$$ when they cross me? Hell yes. I will not tolerate disobedience. Even if they’re 12 yrs old and pregnant. 0 tolerance! Once kids know there parents love them and would tear the earth apart to keep them safe, and throw them to the wolves when they cross the line too many times. They will realize, don’t mess with Mom and Dad. When I got bold with my father at 16 and cursed him out, He whooped my arse and broke my nose. Bones heal, chicks dig scars, but disrespect is LONG lasting.
Report Post »mattmo79
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:28pmWhat a load of BS! Do any of these so called scientist have children?
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:05pmThey may have children but ship them off to a babysitter and don’t have to deal with them.
Report Post »oldguy199
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:36pmStep 1– cool off
Report Post »Step 2–ask child to explain what happened, determine if child is telling truth
Step 3–explain to child what it did wrong and why they are being disiplined
Step4– spank child and re-explain what they did wrong
Step 5–figure out what YOU did wrong and correct
savant
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:16am. Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Contrary to modern humanistic child psychology, the Bible clearly teaches, especially in the book of Proverbs, that judicious corporal punishment, if administered carefully, lovingly, and appropriately, is necessary in child-raising . Children must learn faith and obedience to godly parents before they will ever learn to have obedient faith in God. Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. For people talking about not eating shellfish and pig this was laws given to the people of Israel to separate them from the ungodly. The reason they were told not to eat was because they did not know the proper ways to cook it and it caused sickness even death. The laws in the Old Testament were laws before Christ came to die for us. They were laws for God’s people( punishment, proper ways to live). After Christ died for our sins we were no longer bound by law but by Grace. The rod and child scriptures were not laws but were proper ways to raise a child to be caring, loving and respectful not only to other people and themselves but to God also. All laws from the Old Testament are in Leviticus which means law.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:19amWell My dad had me drop my pants and whacked my bare bottom with his belt in front of a classroom when I had caused my teacher to call my father because I was disrupting her class ,out of shear boredom. I earned that shameful experience. I remember my dad leaving bloody welts on my back side once -when I deserved it. Years later after some hyphenated American thought the shrinks were right and he had some sort of Right to act out his fantasy –after being Lied to ,drugged, Raped and Sodomized then being told I ought become a male prostitute because he had enjoyed himself. –YUP Now I understand it all happened because my dad was not afraid to use a belt when all else failed to get my attention. I should thank this educated idiot for the study that some say suggests my bi-polar –maybe even my seizures were all caused cause my dad used his belt a time or two.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 10:08amThanks for all the feed back guys….my boys are still young (4 and 2) My 2 year old is still to young for the exercises however my 4 year old does military pushups and runs stairs like an Olympian :)
Report Post »We are homeschooling and he is already reading and knows his ABC’s forwards and backwards.
I am glad to hear that I am not the only one out here that uses exercise to discipline. My oldest is polite and already my wife and I can see the benefits in our son! My 2 year old is starting to imitate his brother when he is doing his pushups and is truly a blessing to see him imitate his brother! :)
….. to all of you who say the rod was not for hitting go to Bible Gateway and search this verse out…. ” if you beat your child he shall not die…“ and ” wickedness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him!”
Our prisons are FULL of young men who are desperate for a good spanking!
Are your kids among them……?
If the kids win every one in the house including the kids loose!
Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:40pmMy first son was a total brat at 3 and I came home from work one day and my wife was crying because he was stressing her out so much with his throwing toys and screaming. I gave him a good spanking and from that day forward, he was a different kid. He has no criminal record, shows polite manners to people, and is a fine and upstanding man of 28 now. My father was firm, but loving and I grew up trying to follow his example.
On the other hand, a guy I know doesn’t discipline his kids at all and they are like feral animals. So bad are his kids that they never come to our house (they ask us over instead) because they know I would now let their terrible teens into my house.
Which way do you want your kids to be? Spare the rod, spoil the child and government get out of my face and my life!
Report Post »unrealistic
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:57amSomeone should have asked the tv host if he was spanked. If not, we still need to look for the cause of his mental disorder.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:21pmI’m convinced from years of seeing these children, that the one’s who are allowed to do anything they want, causing a problem for others and never scolded or spanked are exactly the same children who can’t handle being corrected when they go to school.
Report Post »They run home,crying to mommie and mommie goes to school and claims “her child is a perfect little angel.” These children never learn there are rules in life. If this causes them mental problems later, it‘s because they think they are owed everything they want and don’t have to follow any rules, because mom let them do anything.
lukerw
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:45pmWe are a Predator Species… programmed to Love and Protect… our baby Predators… so that they can grow up to Hunt, Kill, & Reproduce like us.
Report Post »Bikkiboo
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:47pmA child who is not “disciplined” (trained to behave in its culture) will sooner or later realize that no one cares what they do. That is kind of scary to a kid. My own sons would often say, “So-and-so‘s mother doesn’t care what they do.” My reply was always, “Maybe not, but I DO care, and you’re not doing it.” How sad to not be cared about. Training provides a safety fence to keep us out of trouble. I never recall actually spanking my kids; mostly it was a swat on the diapered behind or a smack on the wrist of a hand going where it shouldn‘t for the umpteenth time after they’d been warned. Many of the kids who are really beaten have parents who have been beaten themselves and don’t know any different. Maybe they even have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and don’t have a conscience, so they don‘t care if they’re beating or beaten.
Report Post »I’ve taught school from pre-school to college. If the Terrible Twos aren’t taught at that time, they continue to have 2-year old behavior the rest of their lives. It’s hard to discipline (train) a 15-yo as you would a 2-yo, but they still need it or their lives are ruined. That’s what we see on the “Nanny…” shows – older kids acting like 2-yo‘s because their parents didn’t take the huge amount of time to do the right job. If you don’t want to do it right, don’t have kids!
kdshell1
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:55amWhere is the separating of “spanking” from the truly harsh physical “punishment” (aka, abuse) and its separate results? This was very poor research, or was there an ulterior motive in lumping it with abuse? For example, drinking too much at one time can kill you; therefore, stop drinking water.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:32amAgree … most of these “studies” are nothing but someone proving an outcome that they had decided before starting.
Report Post »DarkWolf
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:01pmTrue, they are trying to justify there opinion. I guess I must have a mental disorder. Fun though, I have never been in jail, or been abusive and I have gone through college. Wow, some mental disorder.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:54am“A new study from Canadian researchers…..”
That’s all you need to know. Aside from Mark Steyn, I’m not interested in parental advice from a bunch of godless canadians.
And by “mental disorder” they mean becoming a tough, diciplined man/woman.
I guess that’s why when you go to boot camp and you mess up, they just put you in time-out.
Wait a second, that’s not what they did……
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:02amUh, boot camp is for adults and is also voluntary… totally different.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:13amThe premise is the same. You are corrected and diciplined by harsh physical treatment. Not by trying to reason. It’s called an anology. And remember, it’s 17-19 year old kids mostly in bootcamp.
And yes it is voluntary (now). I’ll put the maturity level of an 18 year old active duty kid against an 18 year old college kid any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
When I was 20 years old, I had the legal responsiblity of the lives of my pilots and aircrewman and aircraft for every aircraft inspection and flight deck launch. I was trained to handle fires, crashes, and war. THAT’S WHAT PROPER DISCIPLINE PREPARES YOU FOR!
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:14am@ Apex Moon
He was referring to juvenile boot camps, which died in the late 80s and early 90s due to political correctness. Problem children were sent to them to clean up their act and turn them into real and disciplined men.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:18amAgain, you were 20 not some toddler. I‘m not advocating the military shouldn’t be tough. Of course it should. a 17+ can handle your brand of discipline much better than a toddler though. And I don’t know what your whole crack against people in college is supposed to be. I guess you‘re a bad person if you don’t go into the military? Maybe we should just all enroll and become a military state and be “tough” like you?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:19amI was actually talking about military boot camp but, you’re point is accurate as well. The age was not relevant to the analogy, it’s the principle.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:28amIt wasn’t a crack. It’s fact. There’s no denying it. Not everyone is cut out for the military. Again, the age is irrelevant to my point. I’m not advocating a 5 year old enlist in the Marine Corps. If you can’t see that, then this conversation is moot.
And trying to call out my “toughness” anonymously over the internet is laughable.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:42amThe study are based on self reporting. People exaggerate . How do separate reports people, who were swatted once for bullying or fighting from people who were spanked every week? Or from purposeful abuse?
Report Post »normalmom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:27pmapex…
Report Post »A lot of kids now could use boot camp. This pansy don‘t spank your kids has left its mark and it ain’t pretty. Kids in gangs, stealing, drugs, sleeping with anyone and getting STD’s, the list goes on. Things are NOT going in the right direction.
Dano.50
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:29pmNow don’t go tarring us all with the same brusch.
Every conservative Canadian I know gives their kids a good swift boot in the you know where once in a while.
I even sent a Mother’s Day card concerning all the cliche advice mothers have given throughout the years. The punchline was: “But what I remember most from you, what kept me on the straight and narrow was: “Don’t make me get the wooden spoon.”"
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:21pm@apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:02am
Uh, boot camp is for adults and is also voluntary… totally different
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Obviously you’ve never heard of the “Boot Camps” run by the Juvenile Delinquency Departments in many states and communities. Had a young man tell me he was soooo glad he’d been sentenced to one! He’d have probably killed himself for the depression that goes with teen age drug addiction ! He said if he tried to sneak in after lights out, he literally had to go through the “Sarge” “And believe me, nobody could have picked him up and moved him!” He said he only tried it once. He got more than a time out!
Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:37pmDano.50
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:29pm
Now don’t go tarring us all with the same brusch.
Every conservative Canadian I know gives their kids a good swift boot in the you know where once in a while.
I even sent a Mother’s Day card concerning all the cliche advice mothers have given throughout the years. The punchline was: “But what I remember most from you, what kept me on the straight and narrow was: “Don’t make me get the wooden spoon.
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Brings back memories, working with a Church Children’s Club Mom who said while she was paying at the local drive through her 3 yr old, climbed out the car window (after the car seat) and broke off the radio antenna, then back in and stabbed his baby sister with it. She wasn‘t severely injured but children’s services told her give that child time outs, he’d break the window and climb out. I pointed to the wooden decorative spoon on her wall and told the child, Mom’ll give 1 whack for leaving time outs, 2 for not listening to “NO” and 5 for hurting other kids. She asked if they’d take him away, but admitted if he hurt the baby again they were taking him away. She only had to use the spoon once for each infraction. Now he’s a seminary student and wonderful human being. “I love wooden spoons!”
sWampy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:54amSpanking bad, intercourse good, just further evidence that every day is opposites day to a liberal mind.
Report Post »goengo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:30amGood point!
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:42pmOf course.
Report Post »Intercourse with a new potential baby daddy =
More AFDC or money added to their “food stamp card”.
Bigger government housing.
Free anything and everything.
Some high schools ever give day on campus day care slots and scholarships for teen moms to continue to going to school. REWARD. REWARD. REWARD.
And no one is really disciplining or raising the kid. Momma is too busy looking for the next spawn donor and baby daddy is too busy stealing to pay for another tattoo.
I doubt no one raised or spanked them, so the cycle continues. I would think that growing up a “government dole” baby would cause sadness and depression, not spanking. Beating and serious abuse maybe, but not spanking for a reason and a clear explanation of right, wrong, and why.
shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:53am” They also write that physical punishment could also have public health implications. ”
Under Obama care this is all the excuse they need to dictate every single action that takes place in your home.
Report Post »goengo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:31amScary idea, but probably true.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:53amThe study showed 2 to 7 percent of mental disorders could be associated with physical punishment in childhood. How many physical punishments go to far. For instance, not spanking your child with your hand but the first thing you can find? And continue spanking the child long after your point has been made? I would guess that those kind of spankings make up 2 to 7 percent of physical punishment. Therefore, I conclude, that spanking is not associated with mental disorders but fringe element physical punishment, like that stated above, cause the mental disorders in 2 to 7 percent of physical punishments.
Comments?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:06amI don’t believe in hitting more than twice. And twice only for really bad things. I also believe in explaining to them why they are getting spanked before and then afterwards, you let them know you love them and they have paid their price and let them go on and play. I have 5 children, I’ve found that if you do it early and consistently, by the time they are around 8 years old you hardly ever need to do it again. Then, grounding and taking away priviledges work well enough. I can‘t remember the last time I’ve had to spank one of them. But they know that I will if need be.
Report Post »goengo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:26amI agree. There is a huge difference between a swat on the butt, and being beaten with a belt, etc. Yet, it appears that this study does not distinguish between the two. I see a leftist agenda here – one more way for the government to control the way we parent our kids. I disciplined my three kids with a spanking when necessary – usually one swat on a diapered butt. My kids are now adults and have kids of their own. One refuses to spank no matter what (and her children’s behavior is horrible.) The other two will spank when needed, and their kids are well-mannered. NONE of them have mental illness as this “Doctor” thinks would be the inevitable result
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:38amWhy bother spanking? Why not just kill them?
Matthew 15:4: For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:47amMy father had a sound practice about spanking. Never spank in anger. Always spank on a bare butt with a bare hand. That way the adult is feeling some of the pain that the child is feeling. Only spank three times. More than that means you are acting in anger. Don’t spank a child under 5 years of age. They don’t understand consequences. My dad explained this to me when I was very young. He only spanked me twice.
I used the same practice on my kids. Only my middle son ended up spanked and only once.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:50amANTITHEIST
Here you godless heathen, a little context. Let me educate you.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Jesus was pointing out the Pharisees hypocracy and went on to say that it‘s not what you say that’s the sin, it‘s what’s in your heart to cause you to say it. You know, like taking scripture out of context on purpose.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:21pmYo Antitheists:
If you kill them then no one will be left to do the dishes and take out the trash …
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:15pm@ Anti…Why don’t you try to study Hebrew, the Hebrew (Biblical) death penalty “statutes” and how and what had to happen for such to actually be carried out.
And just for good measure, did it ever occur to you that death penalties in the Bible don’t necessarily mean in this life? We will be judged and justice carried out…the wages of sin is death (as in eternal separation from God and goodness and Love) but hey, you think you are separated from God now (because you think there is no such thing). Ok fine. We shall see
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:45pm@4truth2all
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:21pm
Yo Antitheists:
If you kill them then no one will be left to do the dishes and take out the trash
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And these are some VERY ENJOYABLE (for the parents) punishments in that discipline tool box!
shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:51amYou do know Dr. Spock recanted the book, once he had kids.
Report Post »You MUST make a distinction between what is a spanking and what is abuse.
And yes there is a difference, 10,000 years of parenting as my source.
Spare the rod and spoil the child.
or look to France, some time ago they believed that children were just like adults in mind but had yet to learn to control the body so they began relateing to children as though they had the reasoning ability of an adult and the law treated them as adults with rights as an adult.
You should look up what happened next, there is good reason not one single country is doing that today.
But don’t trust me, look it up.
There is a reason the old saying isn‘t something like ’Spare the rod,promote the child.‘ but that’s todays schools for you. So what are the stats on underage crime over the last 150 years matched to society spareing the rod or not?
Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:01pm@ Shogun459
Report Post »Re: You should look up what happened next, there is good reason not one single country is doing that today.
But don’t trust me, look it up.
There is a reason the old saying isn‘t something like ’Spare the rod,promote the child.‘ but that’s todays schools for you. So what are the stats on underage crime over the last 150 years matched to society spareing the rod or not?
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Right, we all remember the web videos of the fires all over france all weekend! When I went to school the principal would issue whacks if needed. I paled around with the older school bus bullies, brass knuckles and all. Often heard them say, “Darn Mr. ___! I‘d like to just beat the snot out of them but he’d really let me have it!
Boys in HS (and they were) were allowed to take their rifles to school for pest hunts with the FFA after classes. These bullies also took their rifles and enjoyed the pest hunts. (Pigeons and bats from farmers barns, sometimes rats.) Never was anyone injured with any of these guns. Mr ____ would have taken care of that real quick! Calling the law!
Conservative2
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:15pmI think everyone is missing the point of disciplining your children, true some of it comes from the Bible but for those non religious families that’s not the reason to discipline the child. We are a nation of Laws, now take a minuet to think about how that applies to our children. At a vary early age it begins with spatting that 18 months old hands off things you don’t want them to be touching. Next comes the spat on the bottom at around 4 years and as age progresses the spat turns into a spank as you realize the child understands right from wrong to a certain degree. What your doing here is teaching this child about their parents Rules (aka laws), you are molding their behavior to match your set of home rules.
Report Post »Just as us adults know the ole “Don‘t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time”, we are teaching the children to not violate house parental rules or suffer the punishments. If the punishment is sufficient, the child will not go against parental rules. If you find yourself issuing out the same punishment for the same infractions time and time again then obviously your punishment isn’t appropriate to deter that infraction. We teach our children this, so they can exist in the adult world when they get there, that’s less forgiving if they were to break laws. We see how the current generation behaves, the lack of discipline, respect, civility really shows. Then the POTUS showing the same lack of respect for the American citizen, he really sets a good example??
frogg
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:50amThe disorder of not wanting to break the law? Just saying. The results of my mom popping me one resulted in me never wanting to go to jail because I was afraid of what she’d do to me if I did!!!
Report Post »I guess that it’s better to have millions of our young people rotting away in jail? Just saying.
apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:58amIf you needed a beating from your mom to keep you out of jail then you’re pretty slow. Most people can tell jail is a bad place with out being beaten.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:13amApexmoon,
Report Post »I suppose you sprang from the womb with all this knowledge about prison being bad right?
That your life is one long string of just knowing and never having to be told or shown or proven any facts. Blessed are all in your presence, NOT!
shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:17amApexmoon
You also multiplied one ( 1 ) ‘pop’ into an entire beating.
what other size issues do you have, fish much?
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:20am@SHOGUN459
No and I never said that, but I also didn’t need to be hit to figure it out.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:36amApexmoon you said,
Report Post »“If you needed a beating from your mom to ” in reply to Frogg’s
“The results of my mom popping me one resulted ”
I stand by what you did write look up.
AZRACISTBIGOT
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:50amI think that these well meaning educated idiots who preach this no corporal punishment nonsense share a great deal of responsibility for today’s misfits in society. Removing the negative consequences for bad behavior is a recipe for creating thugs and sociopaths. What they preach is classic junk science.
I believe in the old Cliche’ “Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:00amNot jus a cliche, it’s the Word of God!
(Proverbs 13:24) “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”
There are plenty of pro-spanking verses in the Bible. Especially in Proverbs who was written by the wisest man who has, and who will ever live. I’ll take his advice thanks.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:01amI don’t think anyone is advocating removing consequences for bad behavior. Just different discipline then beating. Why are the choices beating on one extreme and no discipline at all on the other extreme. There is a lot in between.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:17amWho is saying that you must beat them all the time? That’s a straw man arguement. I have a 15 year old daughter. I would not spank her now, it would not be productive and she is a young woman. She needs to know at her age that a man should never NEVER hit her. Spanking should be used when they are younger and only for things that are very bad. I don’t know anyone that thinks spanking is the ONLY way you should dicipline. (Well, that doesn’t pray to Mecca 5 times a day)
Report Post »Murkman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:50amHell, I‘m thankful that my ’ol man loved me enough to put a course correction on my butt from time to time.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:56amExactly. Sometimes you have to be bent over to be straightened out!
Report Post »Tom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:50amSORRY I call B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:13pm@: RANGER1965
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:48am
Spanking, yelling, time-outs, and being grounded, are all tools to be used in the appropriate situation. When it comes to my kids, I’ll use whatever is appropriate at the time, and depending on the kid. One of my kids will respond to a single dissappointed look. Another is lucky not to get spanked every day. Different strokes for different folks…(pun intended
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Agree totally! I had 1 child of 4 who for whom spankings weren’t the most effective tool. I got creative and would “turn him INVISIBLE!” by sitting him at a child’s table and chair in the middle of the living room, reminding that older and in jail, life would go on without him, and disciplining the others if they admitted they could see or hear him before time. My daughter later said she and younger brother REALLY THOUGHT I COULD TURN THEM INVISIBLE! He grew up to be an AWESOME Army Officer! Unfortunately we don’t get to see him often enough!
RANGER1965
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:48amSpanking, yelling, time-outs, and being grounded, are all tools to be used in the appropriate situation. When it comes to my kids, I’ll use whatever is appropriate at the time, and depending on the kid. One of my kids will respond to a single dissappointed look. Another is lucky not to get spanked every day. Different strokes for different folks…(pun intended)
In my opinion the problem is one of focus. If you discipline your kids with the goal of guiding them to a happy and successful life, they sense that. They know deep down that it comes from love.
But if you are yelling and spanking your kids because they are just interfering with your life, they sense that too, and know that you really don’t care about them. All they have to do is stay out of your way, and they can do whatever the hell they want.
Discipline your kids, and temper it with love. Do it for their sake, and not for your own vanity. Don’t worry so much about the form the discipline takes. The form is just a tool. It’s foolish, like this study, and is as meaningless as arguing over which screwdriver to use.
Report Post »John655
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:20pmI agree,but you forgot pushups form your list. I make my 4 yr old do 5 pushups from time to time for her wrong doing. She gets the message and it’s making her strong. She also 5 now and she likes working out with me.
Calm down libs, I know her bones are soft and she doesn’t over do it.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:29pmYours is an excellent post, Ranger. Especially your point about “different strokes.” This is the key. One must KNOW their own child and administer punishment accordingly. And your point about selfish motivations vs. parenting FOR the sake of the child. Excellent points all around.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:46amSpanking is lazy parenting. Why is spanking kids an ok way to discipline them but it’s not acceptable between adults. If I do a poor job at work should my boss be allowed to hit me?
Report Post »Murkman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:15amOh aren’t you a widdle silly person! And to answer your question. Yes, a lot of adults could use a spanking from time to time too. Perhaps then we could get some work done without wasting so much time.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:23amwhy is violence always the answer?
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:23amIf I was your boss, I would smack ya.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:24amRidiculous statement. Spanking is not easy to do. I hated to spank my kids. There is alot of emotional stress involved. Yelling at a kid and sending them to their room is lazy.
Child abuse is lazy parenting. Spanking is God-ordained and the most compassionate way to dicipline as long as it is done correctly. Teaching children to respect and even fear authority is a good thing. See OWS.
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:37amI am confused squid, is the government, including the presidency and the president, not a form of authority? Or did you simply mean that children should be taught to respect authority when it comes from their parents and elders and not the government?
Report Post »goengo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:44amWhy do you always choose such extreme examples? The answer is simple: you cannot reason with a toddler the way you can with an adult. The first time I “spanked” my child was when my little one was reaching for the hot oven..I slapped his hand enough to get his attention. Then I said “HOT!“ and pantomined myself touching the oven door and saying ”Ouch..Hot..It hurts.” From all your postings, I assume that you would classify this as a beating, and I am a terrible parent who uses “violence” to teach my child.
I suspect that you have no children…and I hope you never do.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:51pm@GOENGO
I do have kids, but thanks for wishing I don’t. I’m curious why you feel the need to hit you child when they reach for a hot stove? if you can reach them to hit them then you could have just as easily grabbed their hand and prevented them from touching it (or otherwise blocked them). And then continued on with the rest of the instruction (”Then I said “HOT!“ and pantomined myself touching the oven door and saying ”Ouch..Hot..It hurts.” “). Why hit? That just teaches fear of you, not fear of a hot stove.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:25pm@apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:46am
Spanking is lazy parenting. Why is spanking kids an ok way to discipline them but it’s not acceptable between adults. If I do a poor job at work should my boss be allowed to hit me?
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Used correctly, SPANKING AND ALL DISCIPLINING IS THE OPPOSITE OF LAZY PARENTING! The goal is CONSISTENT discipline, that a child can expect and anticipate. Lazy parents do it occasionally when they get mad enough. Good parents let their child know the rules and what’s expected. GOOD BOSSES appreciate the fact that a well raised adult doesn’t need a whole lot of office discipline of any kind. They learn to control themselves and make wise choices because as a child matures, the good parent begins to let them make some mistakes in minor areas and bare the consequences which is a discipline of it’s own!
littlemule
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:44amAnd where is the study that shows that 50% of the kids not spanked are totally out of control, exhibit a dependence on Ridoline to due to ADD or ADHD, 75% are crapping on cop cars at Occupy Wall Street.
Report Post »apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:47amyou can’t just make up numbers to support your position.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:01am@ Apex Moon
Why not? With all being fair in love and war, and the Left being at war with everyone not of their creed, they do it all the time. I see no problem for the Right to do the same, no?
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:02amHey apox, don’t get them down. Making up numbers is their version of science. Why do you think they would be perfectly fine with a xtian school teaching that the Loch Ness monster disproves evolution?
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:03am@APEXMOON
Report Post »There are lies ,damn lies ,statistics and “studies” (and liberal “journalism”). When most of these people who do these studies start with their conclusion then work toward proving it . I just concluded a study myself that proves your an idiot.
apexmoon
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:06am@OHIORIFLEMAN
Really? The left does bad things so we will to?
Report Post »Hades
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:07amYes, the doctors are correct. The mental disorder in adults is now called “Good Behavior”. It’s exceedingly rare in the common adult today. It includes saying ‘Thank you’, ‘Yes Ma’am‘ or ’No Ma‘am’, ‘Yes sir’ or ‘No sir’, and the word ‘Please’. It even goes so far as to compel most adult males into holding a door open for females, even when the males do not get anything in return! This disturbing disorder is also responsible for random people greeting each other in a friendly manner, as well as a general happiness to your fellow man.
The scientists who brought you this study (not to mention those in major US universities and government positions) are worried that this disease might spread! It is up to all of us to stop using appropriate physical discipline with our children or this mental disorder might spread to all of America, maybe even the world! Act Now!
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:24am@ Apex
I was using an indirect attack against the Left in my last statement. In all things I prefer accuracy and hard data to hold a position, but sometimes you can’t find data.
This subject is one such case: most people understand that a lack of conditioning in discipline and honor is the root cause of modern societal degeneration, but you will never see a study that points out that fact. It would force the lefties and sundry PC wimpies to admit that no early discipline = rampant degeneration. QED, it is nearly impossible to force a lefty to admit fault, and they take active measures to sabotage or prevent anything showing them at fault, therefore there shall be no study to back up her numbers.
Personally, I am a little more conservative on my numbers take. I think roughly 30 percent of society overall is undisciplined / lacks personal honor, though I do not write them off. About half of that number is salvageable IMHO, though it will take some serious humility and a dose or three of pain in one form or another for they to get the message.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:33pm@Hades
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:07am
Yes, the doctors are correct. The mental disorder in adults is now called “Good Behavior”. It’s exceedingly rare in the common adult today. It includes saying ‘Thank you’, ‘Yes Ma’am‘ or ’No Ma‘am’, ‘Yes sir’ or ‘No sir’, and the word ‘Please’. It even goes so far as to compel most adult males into holding a door open for females, even when the males do not get anything in return! This disturbing disorder is also responsible for random people greeting each other in a friendly manner, as well as a general happiness to your fellow man.
The scientists who brought you this study (not to mention those in major US universities and government positions) are worried that this disease might spread! It is up to all of us to stop using appropriate physical discipline with our children or this mental disorder might spread to all of America, maybe even the world! Act Now!
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Millions of “Likes” coming for this study!
HKS
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:43amCheck the people that did the study out, bet cha won’f find a conservative there. And our children are so well behaved no days, don’t cha think?
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:00amI‘d be willing to bet that there isn’t a parent among them either
Report Post »mtfunk
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:39amBeing soved, slapped, or hit is not the same as a controlled spanking which is discipline and not abuse.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:39am99% of the population probably have some mental disorders then, including the ones doing the study.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:36pm@pwatkins
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:39am
99% of the population probably have some mental disorders then, including the ones doing the study
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Is this the 99% who are crapping and copulating all over cop cars and public parks, and raping anyone not in a rape tent, not to mention destroying property across the country?
Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:37amI’m sure that this is entirely true. However, twenty years from now, when we are able to gather enough data on people who have grown to adulthood without ever having been slapped, spanked or hit as children, it will then be possible to prove conclusively that that too leads to mental disorders in adulthood.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:35amFor example, they suggest that by instituting policies that would reduce physical punishment, it could “decrease the prevalence of mental disorders in the general population.”
Report Post »Yah institute THIS you NAZIs.
Mind your own business!!!!
Dont tread on me!
antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:41amNobody is treading on you, idiot. I really doubt you are even Canadian, as you sound like a typical *********. A parent doesn’t have complete control over their child, otherwise they would be free to rape them. Using your logic, laws against raping your children would be “treading” and laws similar to that of Nazi Germany.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:45amI don’t believe this study. Plenty of people have been spanked or worse and turned out for the better. Not beating!!! Spanking for important repeated offenses and explaining exactly what they did wrong. If you raise a child with morals, respect, and love, I doubt they would ever need a spanking.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:48amantitheist – what a jump you just took to rape. Very flawed logic. Then again, you are antitheist.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:37amANTITHIEST
You are a complete and total moron. You either do not know 1 solitary thing about christianity or you are a liar. Stop meddling in the Bible, you clearly don’t understand it. Killing for dis-honoring your parents were laws given to Moses. The Bible never mentions anyone actaully being stoned for it. Maybe there were some, who knows? But those laws are not, and were not applicable to christians (or jews for that matter) post Christ. Learn some Day 1 theology and save yourself looking like fool.
Report Post »Man-On-A-Mission
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:35amSpare the Rod, Spoil the Child…..look how our children are now……awful…….
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:35am“‘Shoved, Slapped or Hit’: Study Links Spanking Children to Mental Disorders in Adulthood”
As opposed to no discipline and ending up with an OWS-type.
I ask you, “Which is worse?”
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:33amOther than the Muslims, who condones “harsh physical punishment” anyway? A proper spanking is not “harsh physical punishment”.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:32amSpanking in and of itself isn’t a problem. Striking out of the blue in anger is.
Report Post »Angel_light
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:31amwhat a bunch of crap. i was spanked as a child and i’m fine. now if the child is being ruthlessly beaten then that‘s where the mental hurt begins when they’re older. they begin to feel like they are worthless
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:36amWhat you just spewed is a bunch of crap, your own anecdotal evidence means nothing. Please, get educated, do you really think your own personal experience supersedes a scientific study?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:41amAntitheist, from the tone of your comments, one would assume you were severely beaten as a child.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:47am@ANTIATHIEST
What you just spewed is a bunch of crap too. Spanking has been common place in this country from our founding up until the 60′s. I‘ll take the Greatest Generation that I’m sure was spanked over the Woodstock Generation that are running the country now! I guess your one of those candy-@ss people that was never spanked as a kid. Maybe it does make us more “aggressive” or as I would call it, “tough and diciplined”. Not a bunch of whiney, mamby pampby, meely mouthed metrosexuals that dominate the culture now. This study was done by CANADIANS! The only real men in Canada live in the U.S now and play in the N.H.L!
Report Post »ruckamuck
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:48amAntitheist – I have a rare condition that should have taken my life as a child. Today I am 32 years old and virtually unaffected. By your logic I guess I should accept that I am dead, after all my personal experience couldn’t very well supersede scientific data. Don’t be silly
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:11am@squid
I don’t understand what any of what you said about my generation being “candy-@assed” has anything to do with the context of the article. You seem like those kind of people who are not comfortable in their masculinity, so they over-compensate and deride anyone who isn’t a hyper-masculine dou che ba g. People like those are often hiding something, like the fact that they are homosexual. Besides, what is considered masculine and feminine is completely arbitrary. For example, pink was originally meant for baby boys before it was adopted to baby girls.
@Ruck
Report Post »No, using my logic, one would apply your personal experience of surviving that nameless illness and then apply that experience to everyone who has a terminal disease. By doing that, you would come up with a 100% survival rate for terminal diseases, which is obviously false. That is the fallacy of anecdotal evidence, not what you contrived.
RANGER1965
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:16am…or perhaps needs a good walloping as an adult.
The only one “spewing” here is Antitheist. Your name gives you away.
“For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:44amHere we go with the closet homosexual retort. Seriously, you guys need some new material. You‘re a troll and I’m finished with you.
Just because you seemingly have some ****-erotic notion that everyone is as gay as you doesn’t make it true. Awfully defensive over the candy_@ss remark aren’t you?
Methinks thou protests too much!
Report Post »paying-for-freedom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:04pm@ANTITHEIST
Report Post »I would much rather trust the advise of someone who has lived life and learned from its experiences than some coddled, over protected, never lived in the real world meddling scientist do good-er. Humans are all individuals. what makes one strong can make another weak and visa versa. I say, what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger ( or causes you to have to get surgery ). Remember the scientists saying coffee gives you cancer, then reversed and said it doesn’t. Of course anything will give anything else cancer if you shove enough of whatever down a throat. To much of anything is bad, including spanking from irate parents who get mad at every little thing. But for most of us, if the kid needs a lot of spankings because he/she is bad. Well maybe you should be blaming the kid and not the parents. besides, parents are already powerless to control their kids now. Do anything to control them and off to jail or pay a fine. Now we have a whole generation of wimpy cry babies. Love to kick innocent peoples asses and robbed them but cry about being spanked. Pathetic!
Mil Mom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:46pm@antitheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:36am
What you just spewed is a bunch of crap, your own anecdotal evidence means nothing. Please, get educated, do you really think your own personal experience supersedes a scientific study
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Aaaahhh! Kool Aide lovers of the world live for their science! Forget that a “Record Cold Spell” goes everywhere Algore speakes, he’s got science to back him up! Remember he taught us it’s “Consensus among scientists makes something true, not that the science is “Fudged”!
“YEP!” I’d believe personal experience over science every time these days!