Stunning Report: Chief Justice Roberts May Have Authored Both Obamacare Opinions
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Chief Justice John Roberts
This weekend, CBS reported that Chief Justice John Roberts changed his mind and his vote before the final Obamacare decision was announced. While he initially sided with the conservatives, the report says, he eventually joined with the liberals on a technicality. Now, a report is out that seems to show just how involved he was with the conservatives before having allegedly switched.
The liberal outlet Salon.com has a story from law professor Paul Campos citing “a source within the court with direct knowledge of the drafting process.” That source makes a stunning claim: Roberts not only authored the majority opinion, but he also contributed to the dissent — a dissent he was drafting before switching his vote.
It should be noted that the CBS piece does directly deny this, saying that such reports are “inaccurate”:
The majority decisions were due on June 1, and the dissenters set about writing a response, due on June 15. The sources say they divided up parts of the opinion, with Kennedy and Scalia doing the bulk of the writing.
The two sources say suggestions that parts of the dissent were originally Roberts’ actual majority decision for the court are inaccurate, and that the dissent was a true joint effort.
The fact that the joint dissent doesn‘t mention Roberts’ majority was not a sign of sloppiness, the sources said, but instead was a signal the conservatives no longer wished to engage in debate with him.
The Salon report recognizes this, but still makes the charge:
Yet that, I am told by a source within the court with direct knowledge of the drafting process, is exactly what happened. My source insists that “most of the material in the first three quarters of the joint dissent was drafted in Chief Justice Roberts’ chambers in April and May.” Only the last portion of what eventually became the joint dissent was drafted without any participation by the chief justice.
This source insists that the claim that the joint dissent was drafted from scratch in June is flatly untrue. Furthermore, the source characterizes claims by Crawford’s sources that “the fact that the joint dissent doesn’t mention [sic] Roberts’ majority … was a signal the conservatives no longer wished to engage in debate with him” as “pure propagandistic spin,” meant to explain away the awkward fact that while the first 46 pages of the joint dissent never even mention Roberts’ opinion for the court (this is surely the first time in the court’s history that a dissent has gone on for 13,000 words before getting around to mentioning that it is, in fact, dissenting), the last 19 pages do so repeatedly.
The explanation for this, according to the source, is very simple: Roberts’ chamber did much of the drafting of the former section, and none of the latter. In short, it appears Chief Justice Roberts ended up in large part authoring both the majority opinion and the dissent in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. This would seem to give a whole new meaning to the term “swing justice.”
For now, it’s only according to unnamed sources. But if true, it surely adds to the lore of one of the most stunning decisions — if not for its outcome than for how it was achieved — in Supreme Court history.
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eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:07amThis is Independence Day – yet I don’t feel so free – AND I see more of our
“Indendence” slipping away faster and faster.
People we have counted on (Judge Roberts) to be the solid rocks in upholding the
Constitution have been proven to be TURN COATS on the People AND Constitution.
Not a hopeful thing – it‘s what Obama has MADE HAPPEN and it’s what he WANTS US
to feel, hopeless.
Well, I’m down spirited but NOT HOPELESS!
We’ve got to fight people – like we’ve never fought before. And, to those who feel a vote
for Romney is a vote for the lesser of two evils – yeah, you’re right- but what will you do –
vote for THE KNOWN EVIL? I don’t think so…
THE POINT IS –
THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE
EVIL HANDS OF OBAMA….
IF there is ANY HOPE of saving our County, Constitution and people.
Romney had better step up…and I realize Obama is waiting for Romney to
announce ANY of his plans so that Obama can STEAL HIS IDEAS – then say,
the people WANTED IT ( like Romney’s HC plan) but the difference was – it DIDN’T
TAKE OVER EVERYTHING LIKE OBAMACARE.
THIS is how Obama STEALS YOUR STICK ///THEN BEATS YOU WITH IT!
Report Post »We’ve got to stop Obama – and NOW!
He’s NOT going to let voting in Nov. happen – YOU KNOW IT…cause it will be OVER
for him – so we’ve got to change this game, NOW!
PUSH FOR THE ABOLISHMENT OF OBAMATAX – NOW!
PUSH FOR HIS IMPEACHMENT -NOW!
Red Meat
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:16amWe are burning pictures of George Bush in our fire pit this evening.
Report Post »kathleenlee
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:52amThat was so well said. I might also add that the lifetime/longtime senators and representatives have to go. The people who are put up as nominees from both parties, that carry on the status quo. We need to get Constitutional respecting people in both houses. It is not the governments duty to run your life and give you things…It is surely American to give a hand up, not a hand out!!! We need to stop the entitlement mentality. Personally I think that it might already be too late, unless Romney suddenly turns into a true conservative…and actively turns the boat around…we shall lose the Republic. Obama is the biggest threat this nation has ever seen…and it‘s not because he’s black…it is the corruption in his heart, and his hatred for America. He surrounds himself with corrupt people, ie soros, ayers, wright, van jones,the mb in the white house and fbi…and the one true fact that can’t be denied is how much he despises the Republic…that it should be changed to what…marxist/communist? We need to come together and change the course he has set, all the progressives have set…we surround them…We need to take the stand that we will save America no matter what the cost. God help us, we need it.
Report Post »kathleenlee
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:58amAlso, I wouldn’t be surprised if obama started bombing Iran in sept or oct…just before election to garner the votes of the Jewish People…after showing his hatred to Israel for over 3 years…now, just in time for Novembers vote, the hypocrite will side with Israel…this marxist would do anything, say anything and give anything to retain power. He is a disappointment to the entire world…and very evil…I, a 100% disabled Marine Corps Veteran, would have never believed that I could be so ashamed of America! Thank you mr. president, for disgracing our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and our country. BUT WE ARE THE PEOPLE, WE ARE AWAKE, WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE REPUBLIC..PERIOD
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:35amJohn Roberts is a traitor. He made the unconstitutional Obamacare the law of the land. No matter how you look at it, you can’t get around that fact.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:46amSomeone got to Roberts, an affair… straight/homosexual, or dirt on him or a close family member, or a payoff to him or close family member… smells bad.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:03pmHappy 4th, Blazers! Well, it IS a somber day for us. Please realize that Roberts did what he did under extreme duress. As you all know, every family should have a code word in case they are in imminent danger, but are able to contact a loved one. Roberts can’t do that, but he did give his close friends and America a clue that he was being forced to change his position. That clue lies in how he wrote the majority opinion. Jurists and friends agree it is both sketchy and legally unsound, SO unlike Roberts who is an eloquent and brilliant man. That proves his HEART WAS NOT IN IT. If Roberts had truly held the liberal view, he would have reflected his belief and understanding in a studious, well-reasoned and compelling manner. Furthermore, he would have sided with the Obama crowd FROM THE START. It is absolutely ludicrous to think that a highly intelligent man like Roberts would suddenly become convinced that his original interpretation was wrong. That does not happen. The writing is on the wall, folks.
Obama’s very presidency was at stake. He found a way to twist Roberts’ arm, and it had to involve not just Roberts’ own safety, but that of his family. Obama ACTIVELY promotes the killing of unborn babies at any stage of the pregnancy. Problematic people have mysteriously died. We don’t have proof, but you never do with commies until it is too late. Obama lacks empathy because of his upbringing. He is an evil man.
Report Post »dadadadio
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:19pmRedmeat: which one, W for Roberts or HW for Souter?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:37pmImpeachment while it would be satisfying just won’t happen. You saw what the house democrats did with the Holder contempt vote. Having said that we each need to educate the average zombie that takes everything for granted about the country and freedom we are losing, the slippery slope has turned into a cliff. When you go to the store or gas station or where ever, educate the clerk that is checking you out about ONE issue. Ask them if they are registered, ask them if they know who the VP or Sec State is and ask them how they will vote. Lastly, ask them if they want to pay MORE taxes. Then tell them why voting for Obama is against their own interest. This takes about one minute. Some will blow you off, but it WILL make some of them think, MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME about their government.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:07pmwe should never expect the supreme court to be the defenders of the constitution. The supreme court is part of the government – do you think they will limit their own power? No, they will always seek to expand it.
THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT DECLARE A SINGLE LAW UNCONSTITUTIONAL FROM 1937 TO 1997. That covers the new deal, great society, and all those other progressive time periods….
The only solution is to elect ONLY constitutional representatives and repeal all unconstitutional laws. This will require a massive influx of constitutional candidates! We can start now. Replace Mitch McConnell with Jim Demint. Replace Jim Boehner with Justin Amash. REPLACE MITT ROMNEY WITH RAND PAUL. If we dont move now, we may never have another chance
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:14pmI feel like it’s 1776, only the tyrannical government we are set to fight is our own. Taxes, penalties, etc. are out of control. I just hope we win this one like we did last one.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:17pmDemocrats celebrate DEPENDENCE DAY………..my gut tells me they are gonna lose BIGTIME IN NOVEMBER……….
Report Post »garylee123
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:34pmThere might be a reason you don’t feel so free this 4th.
http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-report-lists-liberty-lovers-as-terrorists/
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:45pm@ KATHLEENLEE
I TOTALLY agree with you, Sister!
Keep the Faith, the Courage, the Honesty and the Knowledge that
Report Post »WE WILL WIN….IF WE DON’T GIVE UP!
RayOne
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:48pmIt would be terrible unfortunate if the SC was ‘gotten to’ by the WH. But, first things first. The swindle will cost a reElection bid, then the justice will offer his resignation. This makes a good ‘Grisham’ novel.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:07pmKRYPTO, SOY and others….so right. We have to get the truth out about what is at stake if we lose in the fall – so many still to reach. All Romney talks about is the economy b/c it‘s safe and they figure that’s all it takes. I don’t think so. They don’t get it either – about how this is not an ordinary Dem Admin., or ordinary period. It’s unprecedented and they are no less than Communist revolutionaries. But so many still don’t even know what those are and what dangers to THEM are if we go that route. And yes, we must win all the elections – and with patriotic, selfless Constitutionalists & replace the oldies. We’ve got a good start with the bunch we elected in 2010 but we must get many, many more and take the Senate. I have hopes of this and then they can keep Mitt leaning the direction we need and in check. Also pray re having the elections period. No doubt they will try to suspend by calling martial law/staged stunts, crisis. I pray that our military and anyone else that has authority and power are patriots that will find out in time and prepare, organize in case this happens in order to prevent and/or end it. We need Divine intervention folks.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:58pm“White man speaks with forked tongue”!
Report Post »black9897
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:15pmHow shocking. Criminals in black robes.
Report Post »donh2
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:34pmIn hindsight of the Judicial appointment of Roman Catholic Supreme Court Jester Roberts….This picture takes on new significance….We should also worry about the Hitler Youth Pope that was selected under Bush…Prophesy of Saint Malachy look evermore pending…> http://inplacenews.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/bush-laura-kiss-pope.jpg
Report Post »acovenantinblood
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:05pmWhat the heck! We trusted Roberts? Bull crap! The Supreme Court was never meant to be a democracy. Who are we going to trust next? Romney? Bull crap! Ron Paul? bull crap! Haven’t we worshiped at the altar of elected officials long enough? Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe God keeps giving us crappy officials and even crappier situations that we might, per chance:
Let us search and try our ways and tun again unto the LORD. Lam 3:40
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:25amSOYBOMB
Report Post »I agree with almost all of your post. But you lost me with how we can “replace” said politicians 1 for 1. The way I read it, you mean do this today which I’m not sure how that would be possible. You could certainly call for Demint to take over the minority leadership position but that is an internal affair. Same with the Speaker of the House. And as for replacing Romney with Rand, I just don’t see how that is possible and I doubt Rand would do it if it was possible. Rand, if all go’s well, will make an excellent candidate in a future Presidential election.
And sadly Jim Demint will not be running again for his senate seat in 2016. He is my Senator and neighbor and he is not a lawyer which makes him even more special. He is not perfect though as none are. He has repeatedly said he will not run for President and I take him at his word.
I do not share the opinion that this election is for the ballgame. I do understand the urgency but we have to think strategically as elections will come every 2 years. I see Romney as a stop gap measure. In other words we can get by with him while we CONTINUOUSLY prepare better candidates for the future. This is what we should have been doing all along but we lost sight of the responsibility we have as citizens to preserve freedom. I can see a future where we all thank President Obama for re-awakening the spirit of freedom in this country. Our problems will not go away in just 1 election. This is a non-stop train!
RepubliCorp
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:36amSOYBOMB315 Keep whipping that dead horse…… Dr Ron has never carried the ball. All mouth, no show! That is why his home state rejected him. That is why his son backs Romney. Dr. Zero
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:06am.
Report Post »Here’s the most logical explanation:
Roberts was blackmailed by a gay lover.
Makes more sense than any of the other explanations.
Seede
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:06amIt’s not only Roberts but the entire court who are traitors to the constitution. Roberts could have been stopped by the other Justices but they also choose the easy way out. I hate to think that there was money under the table on this but what else am I led to believe when this bunch of little gods do as they have done. The SCOTUS is no better than the Senate when it comes to politics and both are in the back pockets of the Buffet and Soros gang. America must have another revolution and abolish both the SCOTUS and Senate or simply sink into communism. No other way out now.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:36amYep…exactly!
Ya’ know…I STILL say, there’s only so much any one person can take…and
GWB has stood silent fr 4 YEARS- LETTING Obama blame him for everything EXCEPT
the invention of sliced bread. WHY?
You’re right – ALL of them have a hand in on screwing this Country. Look at what some
of the scotus have SAID, recently. LQQK at how congress people have FLIPPED from
what they ONCE proclaimed to stand for.
Shortly AFTER Obama was “selected” – it only took a “behind closed door deal” or a
ride on Air Force One, OR turning a blind eye to TRUTH, for a good portion of them to
change their minds, votes OR allowed the skipping of “constitutional law”.
The “Lawless One” has turned our Country into an OPEN lawless country – EXCEPT
Report Post »we must follow THEIR LAWS.
kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:31pm@SEEDE
Report Post »This is not about money, fellow patriot. It is far worse than that. This is about ideology. America is being transformed before our very eyes. The liberal justices who voted for CommieCare are either radicals or useful idiots. As for Roberts, read my above comment. Our Republic’s heart is in its last throbs, and I am not being melodramatic. While I’m not an Allen West fan, he was spot on when he said Obama wants us to be his slaves. CommieCare is a big step in that direction.
Charles
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:02amHe has epilepsy and is medicated for it. His judgement is affected by both the brain defect and the medication used to treat it. That is a scientific fact. This mentally challenged person has done great damage to the court and this country. I only care about him to the extent that he needs to be relieved of his seat and put on a modest pension immediately.
Report Post »A way must be found to remove justices not competent to render decisions. This freak Roberts is a prime example.
dont tread
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:07amYou sound like a doctor, I‘m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if he voted against obamacare
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:28amDONT TREAD .. you mean UPHELD the Constitution? Then no we would not be saying it.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:49pm@CHARLES
Report Post »Do you know that he has intractable epilepsy? Even then, adverse effects on cognition are long-term. It wouldn’t cause him to suddenly change his position on CommieCare.
loriann12
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:18pmI’m insuted that you want to blame this on epilepsy. You sound so much like a eugenics person.
Report Post »kuhl
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:58amWe may never know whjy Roberts changed his mind and could conjecture on it forever. One thing that is coming out is that the administration was given information abot how the court was ruling well before the release of the decision. We need to focus on that as it could mean the administration may be involved in tampering with the court.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:06amRoberts’ brain is afflicted with epilepsy. He has to be medicated to keep from spending his time on the floor in convulsions. He is not capable of exercising sound judgement. He is in there for life by the way. Remember the “judge” who was on the court with a feeding tube? This has to change.
Report Post »jerryod1627
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:13amDoes anyone have any doubts that comrade obama either bribed or threatened the members of the court that he did not appoint to arrive at this decision! It is sad that Roberts was so weak that he gave in to this but who knows what he was told. At any rate Roberts is a traitor and has been very insturmental in the final destruction of our constitution and our country. History, (if we continue to keep it) will show this.
Report Post »Look4DBigPicture
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:15amI agree. I’m tired of both liberals and conservatives jumping to conclusions and muddying the issue. We know the Obama administration is corrupt and dangerous. Something isn‘t adding up and we’re not being told the truth.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:15pm@ LOOKFOR BIG PICTURE: I see many “New” folks posting on this site. All offering their “opinion” of “why ROBERTS SCREWED UP”. I’m with you. I don’t think people are seeing the BIG PICTURE and the more the MOB seems to scream “Crucify Him” the more I say they are wrong. I have carried the thought forward : What if Roberts had voted against Obamacare… Then instead of MOTIVATED GOP we’d be hiding under our desks to avoid being hit with the multiple HATE missiles lobbed by spoil-brat Libs. They could still force States to do things by blackmailing them (threats to remove current medicare funding for example) … ROBERTS didn’t lock anything in IRON…he told us: Don’t expect the Courts to get you out of the mess YOU got YOURSELVES into by electing the politicians you have elected. THE VERDICT is STILL OUT as far as I am concerned. I think he did us a great favor. He acknowledged that black-mailing states was NOT Constitutional.
Report Post »Some sob-sister columnists are making a lot of $$ with their half-baked theories about his Epilepsy and his changed opinion(s)… brings up Shakespeare’s Thou Doest Protest Too Much…. so I agree,
something is NOT right in all of this, and TIME WILL TELL. In the mean time I’m praying for ROMNEY to SELECT RUBIO !! HAPPY FOURTH PATRIOTS!!!
kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:03pm@KUHL
Spot on. Kagan and Sotomayor are Obama apparatchiks. I was very concerned during the whole deliberation process, because I knew this was going to happen if Kennedy sided with the conservative justices (which he did, and Obama was informed). I just didn’t know who the victim would be.
PATTY,
Report Post »You need to stop rationalizing. I’m going to use a metaphor a woman can relate to: You don’t rape the Constitution to preserve it.
soybomb315
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:18pm@Patty
We should not be sugar-coating this thing. It was a complete disaster.
Patrick Henry thought the Constitution itself was too authoritarian and would lead to tyranny….Do you think he would be satisfied with the supreme court decision?
Report Post »321481
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:53amRoberts is in over his head. It matters not why he did what he did, either indirectly (media opinion) or directly (threats or payoffs) what matters is that he did it. He is as unstable as water. He dared to violate the Constitution for whatever reason, it is his job to protect the Constitution. I would like to think those guys in DC would roll up their sleeves and work hard to repeal this socialist law. But, since when does this really happen. Obama has done allot to be impeached over, they have yet to try and impeach him. So my guess, this law will not be repealed, but they will do allot of bellyaching over it. It seems that they all have their own agendas in DC, and it is not protecting the Constitution and the citizens.
How much assault can our country take before it collapses? If and when this country collapses it will happen so fast, we will blink and look at one another and say what just happened, then the dead wood in DC will do what they have always done, protect their own interests at our expense. In the end, we will be their slaves and they will be our masters. The first step in solving a problem is correctly defining the problem, sometimes it is painful to do that.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:05am“How much assault can our country take before it collapses?”
Not much at all. That’s why we all need to fight this fight together and STOP with the “I’ll write in my candidate, knowing it will be a vote for 0bama“ and ”they’re all the same” madness. Anybody who will do that at this point is plain and simply ANTI-AMERICAN and therefore an ENEMY to everyone who wants to save this country.
This is far too serious to be playing but-hurt games.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:47amSIMPLY PUT: ANY VOTE OTHER THAN FOR ROMNEY is a vote for the end of our Nation as we’ve known it, a vote for Obama. NO amount of grousing about “principles‘ can erase the COMMON SENSE knowledge that if it’s not counted as a VOTE for ROMNEY, it counts against him. Principle has to be 365/7/24 and the four years leading up to an election, not the 18 months before. This is not a tennis match or a football playoff game, THIS ELECTION DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL BE A SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, SHARIA COMPLIANT ENSLAVED COUNTRY or FREE.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:25pmRand Paul understands that America is at a crossroads. That is why he endorsed Romney. Frankly, I’m not going to bother any longer with the Paul cult. They take GREAT PLEASURE in telling us they will not vote for Romney. It’s a sick kind of revenge, because they will suffer as well, but they are too engrossed in their obsession to care about the consequences. I count them with the traitors.
In re Roberts, I have pondered what I would do if I had to choose between the destiny of my nation and the life of my children or grandchildren. To be honest, I don’t know the answer to that. I know if I had to choose between denying Jesus and watching as my children were skinned alive, as some Christians have in totalitarian states, I would cling to the Lord to find the strength to endure the horror of watching them being tortured. But this… I honestly don’t know. I don’t think he was given the option to resign.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:21pm@ QP and PATTY
Anybody who will do that at this point is plain and simply ANTI-AMERICAN and therefore an ENEMY to everyone who wants to save this country.
SIMPLY PUT: ANY VOTE OTHER THAN FOR ROMNEY is a vote for the end of our Nation as we’ve known it, a vote for Obama.
Thank you for these absolutely perfect examples of why our Republic is where it is at this juncture in history. In essence, “Don’t you little people dare step out of line from the choices that you are given”. On the 236th anniversary of our country I can’t tell you how sad it makes me to read these kinds of comments.
“Anti-American”, “Enemy”, and “a vote for anyone but Romney”….sheesh! Follow your road to serfdom. Romney will find a way to get you there, as did Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, the other R’s from recent times and along with Clinton and Obama. I will not be along for the trip. I pray that you prosper in, and enjoy your servitude. I prefer to resist. Peace.
Report Post »Titbit
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:46pm@CYKONAS
Report Post »Don’t think most folks here (at the moment) are fans of the PAULBOT (my way or the highway) approach to teamwork and consensus building. With or without you, we CAN and WILL take back this country and its Constitution. And yes, right now it looks like we’re going to put our collective energy and resources behind Romney and as many solid conservatives as we can vote-in come November. Here’s your ball back… I think Gary Johnson is looking for someone to play with.
soybomb315
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:03pm@Titbit
Report Post »Republicans and democrats will set a record in 2012 for lowest vote totals (as a % of population). Either Gary Johnson will get 20% of the vote or a record amount of people will refuse to vote on election day. This is an indictment of the two party system and if you want to see the fruits – look at the last 200 years governance in this country
Titbit
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:18pm@SOY
Report Post »I don’t have your crystal ball but I will be surprised if Johnson gets over 10%. Half of his vote will come from the drug legalization crowd. Not to downplay his impact, he could play the spoiler for Romney in swings like Colorado. Conservatives are energized and WILL descend on the polls in mass. Hope you’re right about a low DEM turnout.
cloudsofwar
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:53amLiberals and Progressives now count CJ Roberts one of their own.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:12amYes ..and what everyone forgets is KAGAN should have recused herself .. she worked on this Obamacare law .. the press never “pressed” her to do so .. but pressed Roberts to side with the progressives .. and made threats. Too bad he is such a COWARD!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:46amcatb while I agree with you the lawlessness of this nation is in full swing, she never would have stepped down there is no longer justice or rule of law for the elites only we the peasants.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:43pmThe Obamamedia tried to get Thomas to recuse himself. They are part of his staff.
Report Post »Totally Domestic
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:47pmTruth is, he always was on of them. Should have recused Kagan who was a cheerleader for it and helped
formulate the bill. When Roberts was pressured to ask Kagan to recuse herself he said stop trying to tamper with MY COURT.
Also his Az. immigration decision leaving that state w/o a southern boarder. Leaving open the largest pathway of the Mexican Drug Cartells.
It really is not important why he pulled a Benedict Arnold & fled to the island of Malta,
but he did.
As for Obama: THESE COME NOT OUT BUT BY PRAYER AND FASTING. We Christians need to radicalize, because it is a Spiritual Battle.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:14pmTOTALLY DOMESTIC
Report Post »Also his Az. immigration decision leaving that state w/o a southern border.
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That’s more complicated. Only Scalia and Thomas dissented IN PART. However, the most controversial provision — the one Barack wanted to strike down — WAS upheld. The problem is Barack gave AZ AND the Supreme Court the finger, and said he would not comply with the ruling. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-182b5e1.pdf
montana-bill
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:52amI stil say the employer mandate is a larger issue than the individual mandate. How can it be constitutional to require an employer to pay for an employee’s health care? If your employee were a slave than it might behoove you to care for his health, but slavery has been abolished. Now we are only enslaved by our government !
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:25amThe Court cared nothing about the Constitution or they would have thrown it all out!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:41amThat’s right Catb. That’s why trying to apply logic is futile. I don’t want to hear from the Catholics (raised Catholic) or Jewish unless they are openly challenging their leaders and political contributions and support.
Report Post »TWO BITS
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:42amThis decision by the Supreme Court has been dessiminated, analyzed and criticized. While some are trying to shoot the messengers, there are still questions that must be resolved. The Catholic Church is challenging Obamacare on many issues.
Report Post »Justices do participate in public forums discussing the legal reasoning of past cases. In fact, Justice Roberts responded to questions of a group of students about Obama’s perceived insult to the Court.
I read that the state of Florida alone has 1.9 million uninsured—legal or not? Like our immigration policies, Obamacare is not affordable, workable, or enforceable.
Inlightofthings
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:01amAs of last Thursday, it is the law of the land. There is only one way to change that and additional appeals to SCOTUS would constitute insanity. Monies spent on lawsuits by Catholics should be directed to ensuring that the 64% +/- that voted for POTUS Obama in 2008 do something different this time. There are 68 million Catholics that make up about 22% of the population in the US. You might even discover just why the Catholics became so liberal even at the highest levels and fix that too. Forget the lawsuits. About the same % of Jews voted for POTUS as well.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:13amI agree . this must be DEFEATED NOVEMBER 6th .. we must vote for those who will repeal it .. and then MAKE THEM KEEP THEIR WORD!
Report Post »Crucial411
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:40amTo place your faith in men is folly!
Report Post »TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:06amAmen.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:10amIndeed. Especially a man who’s brain is demonstrably mis-wired. ie: Epileptic
Report Post »semby
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:39amDon’t believe the BS!
CBS is a liberal outlet and they don’t have a clue.
But let me ask you a question, has anyone ever thought about the shape the economy would be in if Roberts joined with the dissenters and defeated Obamacare?
Well, right away businesses would hire; the economy would be humming along very nicely through the election.
Romney would not get the credit; OBAMA would and he would be re-elected.
Take a longer view on this; stop bashing Roberts; he simply allowed the voters to decide on Obamacare not him. That’s a good thing. No the rabid Democrats in Congress, not the Obama, nor the SCOTUS should decide Obamacare; we the voters should and we will on 11/6/12!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:51amTo take the longer view would qualify you as ignorant, and not knowing you I can’t do that. The longer view is that the Constitution MUST be upheld regardless of consequences. What just took place is a travesty, formed a new type of tax, rendered the commerce clause useless, revealed the power of marginalizing the SCOTUS in public. I’d take the Constitution if it meant POTUS being re-elected any day. Although I think it would have added to his woes and saved the country trillions…
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:25amOkay, I’ll take the long view here. What has happened is the Supreme court has just decided that it is constitutional for the federal government to tell it’s individual citizens what they must do, or they will face a steep tax for failure to do it. The Declaration of Independence, signed by our congress 236 years ago today, states WE hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, and all are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. So, in truth, this ruling turns that statement on it’s head. Now, the government has the authority to tell those that they govern, those who are supposed to give their consent, what they must or must not do. That is the long term view as I see it. And because this is the supreme courts ruling, the only way to overturn the implications of this ruling is to amend the constitution banning such powers from the federal government.
Report Post »You seem to be thinking more in the short term, thinking that we can strike down Obamacare with the next election. The only problem with your line of thinking that they still retain that power to tax us in order to force us to do something.
snapperman
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:38amThe people who benefit from this are not the people who will pay the price.
Report Post »lylee
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:50pmRationalization.
Report Post »Crucial411
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:39amBefore the light of God can break through, the world must first be cast into darkness! Dark forces are at work! The good news is that for the world to be reborn, and it will, it first must die.
Report Post »jfreak13713
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:35amRoberts hasn’t destroyed himself simply revealed himself as a progressive. He voted the way he did because he believes what he voted for and believes its within the constitution. The problem we have with our system of Government as it relates to the Supreme Court is that they are unelected lifers even if they lie about who they are to corrupt politicians to get on the Court. I say based on the level of corruption on both sides we should amend the Constitution and put term limits on these Judges because they are nothing more than Politicians at this point anyway.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:35amdid affirmative action influence CJ Roberts ruling? afterall Obama is the first Affirmative action president.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:33amThere are times when a person can be a little TOO smart for their own good (and the good of everybody else, for that matter). Chief Justice Roberts and his inexplicable flip-flop on something so obviously anti-Constitution to every ‘normal’ thinking person is a prime example of this. I‘m betting that at this very moment he is probably thinking ’what the hell did I do?’.
Report Post »fedup ohio
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:33amObama IS going to win again. You need every republican to win against Obama. And you don’t have all of them. There is a lot that will NOT vote for Romney. And I might be one of them. It will be the hardest vote of my life. Thanks Republican Party for another lousy choice. P.S. I don‘t want to hear he’s better than Obama. I sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. When will the Republicans get it.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:51amEach vote for Obama digs the grave for our country a little deeper. If Obama wins another term, our country not only will be dead, it will be completely buried and filled in -with manure.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:57amfedup ohio – Isn’t the better of two evils better than the most evil?
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:03amI meant to say, isn’t the lesser of two evils better than the most evil?
Report Post »wheresmysandybeach
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:06amI agree, it sucks! A couple of months ago I swore I wasn‘t voting but there’s too much at stake so I’ll hold my nose and do it! But no one can make me like Romney! He’s creepy!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:24am@OHIO…
OMG .. really that is the kind of “logic” that will bring this country down .. I didn’t get my guy so it is the highway .. no I was not a “Romney supporter” but the choice of the Marxist or Romney is a NO BRAINER in my book. Look .. Reagan wasn’t Reagan until given the chance to be and even he made mistakes (trusting the Dems to secure the border after amnesty comes to mind) but HE WASN’T CARTER and that made a huge difference in the country (and the World .. look around at the damage Obama has done to the WORLD!) for a long time. Get your mind right and vote AGAINST OBAMA and FOR THE COUNTRY! It is the last hope for this great nation … anyone should be able to see that … unless you want to live in a Marxist dicatorship .. and then may I suggest Venezuala.
OMG 2012 .. LIBERTY!
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:04pmWhat is wrong with a decent family man, good father, good husband who has made his own fortune by hard work; who gave his inheritance to the church he belongs to ? A man I first remember ‘meeting’ when the Salt Lake Olympics were going down the tube and the Reputation of the USA along with it? He single-handedly turned these Olympics around and then ran for Gov.of Massachusetts and won in the toughest election they’d ever had; a lone Republican in a notoriously Democrat state.
Report Post »Romney, with his sons and their families and many grandchildren felt the need to run for President just as many of us feel the need to stand up for him and our precious America… we are all watching OUTSIDERS come in from ???(we don’t know where) and rip apart (daily it seems) every value, every truth, every thing that has made America great.
The MSM and the WICKED Obama people (and yes, WICKED is the best word for them, they are EVIL beyond belief = WICKED) have been LYING about ROMNEY’S background, his record, his hopes for America and his ABILITY to Beat OBAMA. I watched carefully during the debate when I was not supporting him (at first) and was impressed by his Steady, Mature, Well-Reasoned response. He is not anything like McCain; he is not a progressive…those people on these blogs who are trying to convince you of that are Media Matters (Soros) paid TROLLS. Do not be fooled. Romney will be another REAGAN with great job-creating skills! HAPPY 4th of JULY !! and many more!!!!
TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:31amIf that “Conservative CPAC kid (Jonathan Krohn)” adopted a Father, he would look like Justice Roberts…
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:53pmGood one. Yep, we’ve had a couple of weeks of liberals coming out of their closets.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:12pmRJJ. Hope you’re having a good 4th so far over there in GADSDEN my Army Brother. Been pretty hot over here in the Bay area… but as long as the a/c works… I’m a happy man, lol.
And yes, the closets are minus a few lately. That they reveal themselves now (like Roberts) may actually be a good thing in the short run to November. Looking at it from a glass half-full standpoint as opposed to half-empty.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:27amKids are always taught that during a test if you have to guess always stick with your first response. It’s usually the correct one. Roberts forgot this simple rule.
Happy DEPENDENCE Day fellow Socialists!
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”
http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink.com/a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it
Well, we just lost it.
Report Post »TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:04amMaybe you give into detours but I do not. I am not a socialist; repeat, I am not a socialist. We have not held our election yet and will rise up like eagles. Some tigress. Maybe you give up with whimpering but I am from Texas and not watered down or transplanted; a different generation maybe makes a difference.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:22amI haven’t given up. I just meant we lost our Republic and are considered to be Socialists by definition. We certainly have lost our freedom. That doesn‘t mean we can’t get it back!
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:19amJust think, now taxes are not just to raise revenue for the government its now a method to manipulate the masses or any other specific group or any specific activity you can imagine.
Report Post »Smart
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:19amWhat can we do to replace John Roberts?
Report Post »leftcoastslut
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:10ampray
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:31amHe could be impeached .. but I don’t know if that includes a medical reason … but I would put this in the Treason catagory and that is impeachable .. if he allowed to be swayed by outside forces (and it looks pretty clear he did) and voted against the Constitiution … and We the People … then I would try.
Report Post »lisalake
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:15amOr… he was bribed .. or he was threatened …. both seem entirely plausible.
Report Post »100 Million Patriots Standing
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:34amConvenient co-incidences are usually red flags. It just so happened that Roberts was at the center of two anti-Constitutional decisions in close proximity? Obama’s path continues to be cleared. The Senate will not stand up to him; The Congress will not stand up to him; The Supreme Court will not stand up to him. The last line. The people must stand up to him in November. Gather all eligible voters and Stand.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:47am100 Million…
That is the bottom line. How many millions can we get to understand that simple fact between now and Nov. 6? I think many millions.
Report Post »Look4DBigPicture
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:14amThis story becomes more bizarre with each passing day. Somehow, the liberal media knows more about what’s going on in the Supreme Court than anyone else. We’re all trying to outguess why Roberts did what he did, but there‘s one scenario no one’s mentioning …
Is it possible Judge Roberts was being blackmailed or threatened by the liberal bullies?
Report Post »Leader1776
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:13amDisturbing and continues to become more bazaar with each passing day.
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:12amIt doesn’t matter now. Just like the fed income tax, we are stuck with another tax. Just like the fed income tax this is not going to be repealed.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:11amListen well people: ObamaTax is now the established law of the land according to the five activist justices of the SCOTUS who supported it.
What matters NOW is the fight to make sure it is overturned in the new administration when Obama is defeated. This is a golden opportunity for the conservatives; they need to get out and explain in simple terms the economic impact this law will now have on families, towns, communities, and their home states, in addition to the nation as a whole.
Say to the people: This is what it will cost you in taxation; and we need to repeal it, the only way we can is to overturn it with a conservative majority.
People are worried with the economy most of all; and that needs to be a portion of the campaigns focus. THAT is why Obama and the leftists are growing more and more desperate, along with the growing insanity of Obama they are saying and doing stuff to counter the conservatives by hook and crook.
THIS is OUR TIME.
THIS is OUR PLACE.
THIS is OUR FINEST HOUR.
WE the PEOPLE, need to make sure we do not waste it.
Report Post »Smart
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:23amI agree. We have to defeat Obama this November. Obama is a dictator and socialist. Obama the his dims passed this law without our consent. Obama is a dictator: he signed the executive order to grant amnesty to his illegal aliens (against our consent and the Congress); he claimed executive privilege to help his corrupt friend Holder. Obama must be removed from office now or in November 2012. Obama is a dictator and socialist. That we do not support.
Report Post »bigbear_awake
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:23ambho will NOT LEAVE WHAT DONT PEOPLE GET
Report Post »Kelso
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:32amThat’s it exactly Snow. With different opinions, your words are as constant and refreshing as the morning sun…and I look forward to your entries. You are wise.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:50amsnow… you are right. i hope enough people are awake and will elect a new POTUS in November. this Obamatax will lead to the destruction of the UNITED STATES. can you say OVERWHELMED. we have one thing going for us a lot of the people who will get free Obamacare are too lazy to vote.
Report Post »kathleenlee
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:04amSo well said Snow…The time is now…our nation is slipping through our fingers…it might already be too late. Look for him to do something astounding just before the election to garner more votes, like side with Israel and bombing Iran…or… if it looks like he might lose; manufactured crisis, martial law, suspension of election…Then there will be war!!! God help America…Amen
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:11amRoberts has destroyed himself – he will forever be linked to obama.
If we are to survive as a nation, obama must be removed from power.
Report Post »phrogdriver
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:27amRoberts has also done incalcuable damage to the Supreme Court. No one respects a man without principles. Conservatives are disgusted by him and liberals are laughing at him.
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