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Supreme Court Justices ‘Blast’ EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can’t Build on ‘Protected Wetlands’

Several conservative members of the Supreme Court criticized the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Monday for heavy-handed enforcement of rules affecting homeowners after the government told an Idaho couple they can’t challenge an order declaring their future home site a “protected wetlands.”

Justice Antonin Scalia assailed the “high-handedness” of the environmental agency when dealing with private property, and Justice Samuel Alito described some of the EPA’s actions as “outrageous,“ arguing that most people would say ”this kind of thing can’t happen in the United States.”

The EPA said that Mike and Chantell Sackett illegally filled in most of their 0.63-acre lot with dirt and rocks in preparation for building a home. The agency said the property is a wetlands that cannot be disturbed without a permit. The Sacketts had none.

Supreme Court Justices Blast EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can’t Build on ‘Protected Wetlands’Mike and Chantell Sackett (Image Courtesy: Business Insider)

The couple, who attended the Supreme Court arguments, said they had no reason to suspect there were wetlands on their property. They paid $23,000 for their property in 2005 and decided two years later to build a three-bedroom home. Workers spent three days filling in just under a half-acre of land.

Three EPA officials showed up, said they believed the land was wetlands, asked for a permit and told the workers to stop. Six months later, the EPA sent the order that triggered the court case. The Sacketts wanted to challenge that order, but lower courts have said that they cannot.

The EPA issues nearly 3,000 administrative compliance orders a year that call on alleged violators of environmental laws to stop what they‘re doing and repair the harm they’ve caused. Major business groups, homebuilders, road builders and agricultural interests all have joined the Sacketts in urging the court to make it easier to contest EPA compliance orders issued under several environmental laws.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wondered how far the Supreme Court should go in aSupreme Court Justices Blast EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can’t Build on ‘Protected Wetlands’ ruling, noting that government agencies often threaten citations when people don’t comply with the law. “Health inspectors go into restaurants all the time and say: ‘Unless you fix this, I’m going to give you a citation.’ Fire inspectors, the same thing,” he said.

The Sacketts’ lawyer, Damien M. Schiff, argued that they weren‘t trying to take away EPA’s power. Environmental groups say a purpose of the orders is to make it easier to negotiate a resolution without a protracted legal fight.

Watch the MRC TV news brief:

“Let EPA administer the act and issue compliance orders,” Schiff said. “But let’s also give homeowners a fair shake, too. Let them have their day in court to contest what the agency has done.”

Alito leveled some of the strongest criticism against the EPA, noting that the Sacketts had to wait until the EPA sued them to even challenge the idea that there were wetlands on their property.

“You think maybe there is a little drainage problem in part of your lot, so you start to build the house and then you get an order from the EPA which says: ‘You have filled in wetlands, so you can’t build your house; remove the fill, put in all kinds of plants; and now you have to let us on your premises whenever we want to,’” Alito said. “You have to turn over to us all sorts of documents, and for every day that you don’t do all this you are accumulating a potential fine of $75,000. And by the way, there is no way you can go to court to challenge our determination that this is a wetlands until such time as we choose to sue you.”

Chief Justice John Roberts said that because of the potential fines, few people are going to challenge the EPA’s determinations.

“Because of the administrative compliance order, you’re really never going to be put to the test, because most land owners aren’t going to say, ‘I’m going to risk the $37,000 a day,” Roberts said. “All EPA has to do is make whatever finding it wants, and realize that in 99 percent of the cases, it’s never going to be put to the test.”

The EPA’s normal procedure is to contact the homeowner before issuing a compliance order, Justice Department lawyer Malcolm Stewart said. A wetlands biologist has also confirmed to The Associated Press that he advised the Sacketts in May 2007 that their property was a wetlands and that there were wetlands on three sides of their land. The Sacketts say that in 2010, other wetlands consultants examined their land and concluded that the first one was wrong.

Supreme Court Justices Blast EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can’t Build on ‘Protected Wetlands’If the Sacketts “had wanted a judicial resolution of the coverage question without subjecting themselves to potential penalties, they could have filed a permit application before discharging, they could have gotten review there. All we‘re saying is they can’t discharge fill, wait to see whether EPA notices, and then insist upon immediate judicial review if EPA notices and objects,” Stewart said.

However, critics argue these type of regulations, and the tangled mess of paperwork that accompanies them, are unwarranted, unfair and have been enacted with no real authority.

And while judicial activism has become a recent topic of discussion due to the GOP primaries, the question of federal authority in these areas has also been brought to the forefront of a national debate.

Why? Because much like Justices Scalia, Roberts and Alito, many Americans believe departments such as the EPA have been acting well outside the boundaries of their authority. Speaking of which, who gave them authority?

For some perspective, we turn to conservative author Mark Steyn:

For more and more Americans, law has been supplanted by “regulation”–a governing set of rules not legislated by representatives accountable to the people, but invented by an activist bureaucracy, much of which is well to the left of either political party. As the newspapers blandly reported in 2010, the bureaucrats weren’t terribly bothered about whether Congress would pass a cap-and-trade mega-bill into law because, if faint-hearted Dems lose their nerve, the EPA will just “raise” “standards” all by itself.*

Indeed, to borrow from Steyn again, “Where do you go to vote out the EPA?”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

(h/t Business Insider)

*Mark Steyn, “After America: Get Ready For Armageddon.” (Washington, D.C: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 2011) 82.

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  • ThePostman
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:44pm

    The EPA “declared” the land to be wetlands, but it was not wetlands before that point. The couple should sue the federal government proactively, because the federal government, the EPA, CREATED the wetlands, which devalued their property substantially.

    We need to be a LOT more proactive, folks. How about a consortium. We pay hundreds of thousands of people (who have already declared bankruptcy due to barney Frank’s “free houses” program), a thousand dollars each to fill in wetlands, created hundreds of thousands of cases, “swamp” the EPA in their own legal morass.

    The EPA needs to be disbanded and dissolved and not replaced. So too the DE and the FDA.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:55pm

      Ron Paul will abolish the EPA.

      Ron Paul 2012.

      The Gospel of Liberty.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:56pm

      totally agree we need to get the epa out of here closed regulations overturned. the acreage neighboring mine is now declared wetlands….the property previously worth over 3 million dollars is not worth the cost of paying property taxes on. why is it wetlands? never was before until the county put in new drainage for a road nearby draining all of the water onto the highly coveted 40 acres thereby turning it into a swamp for the last year now it is wetlands and the owners are out 3 million dollars. cannot be developed, logged nothing. we need to get rid of these jerks

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:00pm

      The worst part about the story, is that the EPA rules say this couple can’t take them to COURT!
      Imagine that — the EPA saying WE don’t have a right to due process!
      Just like NDAA, the antiPatriot Act, TSA searches etc.

      Ron Paul is right — get rid of most of the EPA

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:00pm

      The Supreme Court Will Side With The EPA, Its not going to side with these people. This is the same Supreme Court the ruled that CO2 is a pollutant and ordered the EPA to continue regulating it.

      These nine judges enjoy wearing their back robes and being called “Your Honor…”

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:13pm

      I like your idea but they will just hire more and more lawyers!

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:19pm

      If you want to contest the EPA’s order, how about “It’s my property and I can do with it what ever I d@mn well please, thank you.” If you can’t, then it’s not your property, the government just lets you think it is.

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    • Patrick Henry II
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:20pm

      Unlikely Ron Paul will win the primary but, even if he does not he is inspiring a lot of good in this country. People are actually saying we need to get rid of the EPA and other agencies. This is the start of something beautiful. Thanks, Doc.

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    • americansfightingforcommonsense
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:33pm

      Yes! We need to do away with the EPA, The Dept of Education, The Dept of Energy, and many other Federal ran agencies that are INFESTED with PROGRESSIVES!!!!
      I live on a lake here in MO that has about 1800 homes and a PRIVATE lake that was built in the late 60′s. Our Board of Directors,in which I am a part of, recently purchased some land near the lake that would be used for transporting mud to that would be dredged out of the “Man Made Lake” that has become very shallow due to siltation deposits from near by farms that comes down the DITCHES into the lake. The EPA came by and shut us down because we are in violation of disturbing the “WETLANDS” which amounts to a DITCH. We can’t even dredge out the lake to remove the silt due to these IDIOTs!!!!! They have absolutely NO COMMON SENSE what so ever. It’s time to step up America and get rid of these agencies that think they can do whatever they want without any recourse from the property owners and residents.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:35pm

      we need to put the illegal in our white house in jail for his crimes against the people of this nation. how many crimes are we going to let him get away with? selling guns to drug dealers, bribery, fraud, forgery, theft, treason. when will we put a stop to this? Or does our media run things? we are just told what to do and how to think. WAKE UP AMERICA!

       
    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:16pm

      V-Mace will tell about everyone here. At one time I had serious questions concerning Ron Paul. After research it was EASILY seen that Paul is THE ONLY candidate who can start turning this Country back toward the Constitution. First the FED will go. Next the Department of (special) Education known as public education. The EPA will go next. Following that will, or even at the same time that worthless ABORTION known as the Patriot Act.

      Don’t be surprised if Paul wins the presidency to see the 16th and 17 amendments abolished.

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    • deac0n
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:18pm

      why in the first place does the federal govenment even have any say so ove private land in a state . the 10th amendment should preclude this.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:08am

      This is all part of the UN’s Agenda 21 policy to remove owners from being able to build on land they purchased in the wilderness of the Western States first and then other areas of the country. And those people that were appointed by this Administration were part of the movements to put these regulations in place at the UN. You think this is bad just wait when all the new Dust Regulations for farmers kick in and the CDL requirement to operate farm equipment just like over the road trucking industry with log books and special licenses. These idiots are extremists in our Gov‘t agencies and we can’t do a damb thing except hope that we win this next election and get these idiots out…and then reform these agencies to use common sense.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:33am

      who owns the property? that settles all disputes. the owner of the property gets to do whatever they want with their property. done and done. next question?

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    • Dale
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:35am

      THANK YOU, Sacketts and Pacific Legal Foundation!!!! We can all sleep a little better tonight!

      Dale  
    • jonnyfontain
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:39am

      There isn‘t a day that goes by that I’m not proud to be an Idahoan. Just a couple months ago the Feds were after another guy up in Northern Idaho for killing a Grizzly Bear that was trying to eat his children. What have we come to America? We can’t build on our own land? The Federal Government is way too intrusive and its time we stand up and reclaim our country!! I am a 10th Generation American. My fore-fathers dug Freedom for this whole continent, and know I have to witness it all go down the toilet,…. its sad. The Federal Government is so big know that if we don’t beat Obama in 2012 just buy a piece of land in the mountains, get a 5th wheel with camo netting and a great generator and sit back and watch the world crumble around us! Lord knows I’ll be up in the mountains killing deer and bear and eating well. I just joined P.E.T.A. (Proudly Eating Tasty Animals)

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    • rcw_68
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:18am

      REMEMBER what this is all about people——-AGENDA 21————-

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:22am

      The EPA has too much power. They determine how much ethanol goes into our gasoline. They are trying to increase it to 15% reducing our mileage even more. They are choking U.S. down in many other ways. Abolish the EPA. period.

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    • taxx
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:17am

      Probably billions of barrels of oil under there and they don’t want the Clampetts….I mean Sacketts to find it.

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    • sambachico
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:03am

      I’ve had a similar situation with a lot I now live on with my local county. They denied a building permit for 3 years on the premise of potentially high groundwater, and aquifer recharge issues in California, as well as vernal pools (seasonal) in the area. I was fortunate enough to hire a good hydrogeologist and defeat the statists in my county. Happily Living on my 50 acres today in the country, with about $75k lost in legal/development issues that will never be recovered. Thanks Government!

      I guess it’s the price you pay for peace and quiet these days.

      Ron Paul 2012

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    • Cat
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:17am

      Government will NOT stop until they are de-funded and de-balled.

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:01am

      Reminds me of the story of the guy in Florida who bought a vacant lot that had been used as a tire dump. He hired people to clean it out, and was stopped by the EPA and fined because water had collected in the tired and formed a “wetland ecosystem,” including a stream that formed when it rained due to the damming of the tires. Read more here:

      http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/private-property-rights-an-endangered-species/

      These out of control bureaucracies have to be stopped.

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    • grumpyt
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:50am

      Prepare folks, we have lost. It is now a matter of just how bad it is going to be. When Citizens have to travel 3000 miles and spend untold thousands of $$$ to defend their RIGHT to build on PRIVATE PROPERTY, we have lost.

      Abolish the FED, the EPA, the DOE, the Department of Ed, Commerce and shrink this NATIONAL government back to a Federal one. Defend us, build roads, and leave it to the states for the rest. It will never happen but we can dream.

      grumpyt  
    • djs45
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:59am

      Wasn’t the EPA was invented to stop environmental pollution at the corporate level, and those that cross state lines, just like the FBI was created to combat organized and interstate crime? But these alphabet agencies have long been targeting individuals. Don’t we have EPAs at the state level to deal with individual matters? No wonder Washington is so dysfunctional and bankrupt! DC needs to let the States handle their own affairs and butt out.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:52am

      Out of control obama, being DICTATOR through “POLICY.”
      If he cannot do it by law (Congress gets in his way), he will do it by policy!!
      “Pedal to the metal” alinsky style.
      He is buying favor with the insane left with this sort of nonsense.
      Just like sitting on the Excel Pipeline. EXACT same thing!

      What a dark and shameful time in American history obama’s REIGN is, and will be recorded in history.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:53am

      It’s Agenda 21. They want everyone in cities (called urban centers) and the majority of the land, mostly coastal and wetlands) to go back to it’s natural state. Look up the percentage of population that lives in coastal regions. They also don’t want rural communities, because I suppose they could be free thinking out there by themselves.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:54am

      Should have shot the EPA nazis for trespassing.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:17am

      I don’t think the entire EPA should be disbanned . I do think that they should be used as an advisory agency for Congress. Much like the ATF,DOE,DOE,FDA,DOA the EPA is an Unconstitutional agency that can levy taxations and regulations without the people’s consent. These are departments of political appointees but in place by a single person not voted into office by the people. In short they remove the people’s voice and destroy a GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

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    • Economist
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:25am

      Wake up people! This is the only way to go:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD_ybaXhXno&feature=player_embedded

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    • mike119
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:32am

      did you know that the epa fines blacktop plants for getting blacktop from truck tires on the blacktop road in front of there blacktop plant… it would be a joke but it true.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    • old white guy
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:57am

      my actions against something like that would land me in jail and many people injured.

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    • jnobfan
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:13am

      This happens all of the time. I built my house here in FLA 12 years ago legally and even got a wetlands report from palm beach county stating that the lot was not “wetlands” but 10 years later got a letter from the EPA demanding 10k for building on “wetlands” or they could bulldoze my house. Their mistake was going after too many of us at the sametime and our County Commissioners backed us up and it quietly went away but if I was singled out like these folks I don’t know what I would have done.

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    • nichevo
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:34am

      You seem pretty sure that there were no wetlands at the property. Did you visit the site. Take a few things into consideration here that lead me to believe there might have been wetlands present. This property was on of the last to be developed in thhis area and why did they need to haul in all of that soil and rock to construct the building foundation. The permit process is pretty simple if you follow procedures. Sounds like they might have screwed up here.

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    • icarenough
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:35am

      And don’t forget the DNR

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:43am

      In our case the wetlands were created by the county positioning a drainage pipe to empty on our land. We were not around at the time, nor were the wetlands regulations in place. By the time we were ready to build, it was too late to call the county into account. The resulting streams had fanned out, and we were not allowed to re-create streams to control the flow– supposedly all in the name of pure water. Who cares that all water from our small plot of land feeds into miles and miles and MILES of wetlands– making however it traverses our land totally insignificant.

      By the way, there is LOTS of money involved in wetlands projects….

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    • Jackers
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:47am

      Ron Paul would disband the EPA and four other illegal Federal “Departments” butting into our lives and eroding our civil rights and freedoms…

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    • Falandarin
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:49am

      LOL! Along with Israel and western civilization. I‘d vote for Obama before I’d vote for Ron Paul IMO.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 9:25am

      LOL! Along with Israel and western civilization. I‘d vote for Obama before I’d vote for Ron Paul IMO
      That‘s because you’re an idiot. A willing slave of the tyrannical governmental machine. A useful nimrod and a wet dream to marxist leaders.

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:21am

      Scalia & Alito have and continue to be the most Constitutionally inclined of all the justices. The rest are a joke that ain’t funny at all. Better pray whomever is the next president doesn’t appoint more Communists like Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, & the others whose names I don’t recall.

      Notice the common line to Obama & Bush appointees: LOTS of education, LITTLE (didn’t say “none”) helpful experience. More educated idiot idealists.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:45am

      I’m pretty certain most free thinking Americans can come up with 100 government agencies that shuld be thrown out of business. EPA is one of the major offenders, so let’s begin with them and BATFE, DoE, HHS, FDA, DHS, and…

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:53am

      The EPA along with the Department of Education, the Department of Energy and several others need to be disbanded.If their function is needed, it can be done at the state level. They have caused more problems than they have solved and are filled with overpaid bureaucrats who never had a real job, kinda like Obama, who like wise never had a real job, except when he was a soda jerk. Still a jerk, and that is a complement. Certainly neither has the mentality nor capability of running a McDonald’s burger joint let alone the country. The sooner he is fired from his present job, the country will be much better.

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    • momsense
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:28am

      Sue the terrorists and Obozo too.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:50am

      The EPA does NOT CARE if there are thousands of challenges. They have unlimited funds available from the American taxpayer. This would just give them an argument to say they are overloaded,and so they HAVE to levy fines etc for non-compliance. THEY well know,as the article says, they can put anyone into bankruptcy,IF they get challenged. These b’crats are EVIL!

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:55am

      @V-Man
      Hi! My first choice, Bachmann, out, and looking at Ron Paul. Ron says what he will do (there are checks & balances) and many people are SCARED but look at the CON-JOB of the current administration that fooled people into voting for the con-job. This country has gone off the rails and still many voters are hesitating about going back to the constitution and THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN? Yes, it would be strange and that makes many people uncomfortable. Maybe it IS TIME to vote for Ron Paul and get A JOLT OF REALITY and really WAKE-UP this nation’s deep sleep. I like Santorum but really looking at Ron Paul. I still WILL STAND WITH ISRAEL!!!

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    • turkey13
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:56am

      I think the President will override the Supreme Court on this one. They are forgetting that his executive order trumps abunch of old folks. He had pretty well stopped all mining – drilling for oil or anything that causes Global warming. This must be good because it would otherwize create about 1.3 million jobs.

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    • veteran2
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 11:57am

      Both the EPA and Obama must go, Term limit laws should be on the books.

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:10pm

      yeah yeah…i know…Ron Paul is the second coming of Christ and will save us all…yeah yeah.. okay.. get over yourselves…but lets look at REALITY…

      1 – assume Ron Paul does get elected…
      2 – assume he actually does what he says…which is hard to know because as many figure out…it is easy to promise when you aren’t making the decision and it is all hypothetical with no political, financial, or social ramifications.
      3 – lets look at what will happen…

      A – Congress will flip him the bird and continue to pass budgets ( not that they have done that since Pelosi and Reed took over), pass Omnibus spending bills, pass Appropriation bills… Oh all loaded with earmarks and pork by the way..just like Ron Paul loved to put in as well…
      Why..why won’t Paul be able to stop this… EASY.. The Constitution gives the HOUSE the power of the purse… ONLY the House can initiate ANY government spending. The President is only commanded to deliver a budget to Congress but Congress can use it or throw it out and make their own…the Constitution SAYS SO!!
      for all you diehards that believe Paul would be the ONLY guy to follow the Constitution, he would HAVE to follow along…his only fight would be a VETO which Congress could override and would after the first protracted government shutdown that resulted in no pay for the military (which Ron Paul probably would like) and no pay for Social Security and Medicare

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:20pm

      CONT…
      next after Paul was elected…

      B – the Supreme Court would still be able to override anything that Paul tried to do outside of Congress and since the Court is split right now.. 4-4 with one RINO swing vote in Kennedy…don’t bet on them siding with Paul.
      C – even if Paul could start the process to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments (which can only be done with another amendment), Congress could KILL the process since 2/3 of ALL Congress is needed to create an Amendment and 3/4 of all State’s must ratify the Amendment and right now neither 2/3 of Congress nor 3/4 of State legislatures believe what Ron Paul believes…

      Now does that mean that Ron Paul should not try.. NO…absolutely not…he would be the President and I and everyone else should at least take him at his word the he believes this is necessary to save the country. The President MUST do what he believes is best for the country.
      Just like Reagan did when he tried to abolish some agencies like the DOEd. Congress fought him off and won and nothing changed. GW Bush tried several times to privatize at least a portion of Social Security and Congress fought him off and won and nothing changed.

      What Paul people don‘t seem to get is that the President CAN’T CHANGE SQUAT without at least one chamber of Congress agreeing with him.
      Forget the Presidency…we need to TAKE the HOUSE like 2010 but this time not with 60 good guys but 300, then the culture of corruption will change. that takes decades

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:44pm

      WE THE PEOPLE need to designate Washington D.C. a “wetlands” and make them evacuate.
      That will “cut the head off the snake”.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:02pm

      @Cat
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:17am
      Government will NOT stop until they are de-funded and de-balled.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      What you still don’t understand is that the “U.S.” (A corporation) is one of about 187 Nations (Corporations = U.N. ) the that the Global Elite own.

      In 1944, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, Corp. U.S. is quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund, and becomes a foreign controlled private corporation.

      http://www.teamlaw.net/HistoryOutline.htm

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      They have about 3/4 of the world’s wealth. Money is no issue.
      The Richest Family on the Planet (They choose not to be on Forbe’s LIST) is reported to be worth 500 TRILLION DOLLARS !!!!
      At the time reported, was nearly 1/2 the WORLD’s WORTH !!!!!!
      Any wonder all the Main Stream MEDIA outlets are Bought up?

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      The only way to free ourselves is to Create an AMERICAN currency based on on a Gold and Silver Standard, and to cease using the PRIVATE BANKS NOTE, that is based on nothing but “speculation”

      We also must ask how a federal government that was designed to ensure our pursuit of happiness and FREEDOM, ever had the Authority to PLEDGE us to a PRIVATE BANK for SOMEONE ELSES DEBT !!!!!!!!

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:12pm

      *here is a clip regarding the Federal Reserve OWNING YOU !!! ( They did at one time, now same owners under a different name; IMF/UN ) only 2:14

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws

      Report Post » ProbIemSoIver  
    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:16pm

      To people that bring up the question “how can we trade with other Countries if we don’t have a Global Exchange Rate Currency”

      We do exactly what was said; WE TRADE !!!!!!!!

      NOT Currency, BUT GOODS !!!!!!!!

      If they choose to do so, they can sell these items in their land, for their currency.

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    • StevesPointofView
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:18pm

      Absolutely! The EPA MUST GO!!!! It‘s one of the biggest reasons this country’s economy is in the tank. And if we don’t get rid of them, our economy will NEVER recover.

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    • johnbarlycorn
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:32pm

      This case, the pending PBO Care (President Barrack Obama) case, NDAA case, targeting of US citizens in the US with DHS drones case, are all individual issues with a common theme; elections have consequences. What will the Supreme Court, the third most politicized court in the land, look like if a Mittens, Newtie, or Reckless Rick won? Who would they appoint to this court? With Santorums’ connections to the congressional page scandal and a buddy of the PennState pedophile he may have a personal need to make these appointments.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:32pm

      Since MOST law-abiding citizen of this country, who respect and value our U.S. Constitution, will NOT go up against the U.S. Government for fear of losing everything they have, there WILL BE A CIVIL REVOLUTION in this country eventually, and I do not mean OWS (a bunch of evil weenies who have no clue about real life). I mean REAL Americans who believe in the 1st and 2nd amendments, and who will actually USE THEM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE against this socialist tyrannical government.

      It is time for ALL up-standing Americans to get out those guns you have locked away and clean them up. Polish them and stock up on ammunition. Get ready IN THE NEAR FUTURE because your guns and ammo will be MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD.

      When the government begins telling me what I can and cannot do on my property (an it is not a community allotment), then it’s time to put your money where your mouth is.

      Another big problem I have is with our Judges. NO JUDGE SHOULD HAVE A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. Where did this come from anyways? THE PROGRESSIVES. Judges should NEVER be appointed. They should be ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, the same as the President. The idea that a President has that much power over the people, is mind boggling to me. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEE AND UNDERSTANDS THAT?

      What is wrong with all you Americans??????????? Are you dumb or what?

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    • jimbodc1
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:35pm

      Ron Paul is our only chance to save this country that I love, please people wake up, we need to get out libertys back….

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:35pm

      …to clarify about the Judges, I mean SUPREME COURT JUDGES (should never be appointed by the President of the USA) in case one of you DUMB Americans thinks I meant local judges……….duh.
      It reminds me of IRAN and their Ayatollas, who get appointed by the people FOR LIFE……now, how stupid is that?

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    • SgtB
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:35pm

      Vote Ron Paul and get rid of the EPA entirely! Where are they when we have actual environmental impact issues? Was there one EPA employee developing oil cleanup equipment or using it in the history of the department? No. We can do more for less utilizing property rights and ridding ourselves of the EPA.

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    • jimbodc1
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin 2012….

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    • aerorepairo
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:14pm

      WE ARE THE PEOPLE!! Who the hell said a politician alone can only demand the abolishment of a government agency? WE MUST DEMAND IT of our Congressmen or Candidates. IF they refuse to respect the will of the people then they are tyrants and must be dealt with swiftly! The Government is not above the people, but it is only if we allow it!
      This would be my response to the EPA after hearing what the Conservative Supreme Court Justices said. Dear EPA, With respect, You have no Jurisdiction on this Private land to Sue, issue any orders of compliance, citations etc. If you send anyone out here to enforce any such thing and trespass on my PRIVATE PROPERTY I will enforce my Constitutional rights. If you Continue to repress my rights you will have blood shed on your hands and you will be solely responsible for the loss of life on my private property. You are warned!

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    • Country Publius
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:47pm

      EPA is the worst and most destructive and numerous out-of-control rogue federal agencies.
      Agencies derive their power from Congress as delegated authority.
      Congress can delegate powers only to the extent that they are among the enumerated powers of the U.S. Constitution.
      Because the Constitutional powers to designate private property as “wetland” does not exist, Congress has no authority to delegate that non-existent power to an unelected and unaccountable federal agency of bureaucrats.
      Congress needs to revoke the charter of the EPA and dissolve the agency, or severely reign them in and exercise the requisite oversight to prevent these types of fiasco from happening.
      Our next Congress and Administration should exist to correct problems such as the EPA, and if their vision is too timid, they should be the last to get our vote or support.
      We The People are going to have to FORCE these changes on Congresses and Administrations that have become way too comfortable with the status quo.

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    • kindling
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Dont forget the FED. They have been printing money for so many years the dollar is nearly worthless and they hold most of the nations debt. If we got rid of not only the FED but the money they printed just in the last 10 years we would be out of the woods. Sadly, I do not see anyone running for president that is willing to do these things.

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    • MEH..
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:28pm

      Let me state upfront that I am not a tree hugger.

      While I understand the popular opinion against these ruling, without the EPA and rulings like this, flooding or drying up streams or others properties would be rampant and all of our streams would be full of chemicals or silted in. Endangered species habitats would be destroyed and no one would be the wiser.

      You should never buy a property before you know what’s there. Think of it like buried utilities. Just because you buy a property without knowing they are there does not give you the right to dig them up and put a house there. It affects your your neighbors and it’s protected under certain laws for good reason. You pay to have the utilities discovered before buying the property. The same should be true in this case for wetlands.

      These people bought this land being ignorant of EPA regulations, but ignorance and money spent does not grant them immunity from the law. I am a civil engineer and realize how painful and sometimes ridiculous these regulations can be with new construction, but I also can objectively see the benefit of the regulations having also seen what it looks like without them.

      Often, if you fill out the appropriate permits and offer an equal amount of created wetland area, the EPA will allow the construction. It does cost money, but I think that is ‘stupid tax’ paid when you do not do your due diligence before purchasing new land and make premature construction plans.

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    • dogmeat
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:45pm

      DE-fund them is the fastest way to control them! Along with the DE n FDA! IF only WE the PEOPLE had a backbone in congress to do the will of WE the PEOPLE!

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    • schlitten15
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:13pm

      I agree, they all need to be abolished.

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    • hallkbrdz
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:15pm

      EPA – FOAD!

      De-fund this un-American fascist department. They don’t understand the idea of private property – to them you are just borrowing from them – the Govt. Threatening American citizens in this way does not protect the environment in any way shape or form.

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    • db321
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:26pm

      Good idea – shut down the EPA – the Republican Candidate that get‘s elected should take Ron Paul’s advise and do that immediately, but after that, stop listening to Ron Paul. Especially on how to handle Israel and most especially on legalizing pot – America – we have serious issues and do you think it is going to get any better with legalized Drugs. Get Real! – you got to hand it to the wacky old man, he sure did woke up a lot of zombies with that campaign promise.

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    • BlueStarMom
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:07pm

      Neither Mittens nor Newt plan to abolish the EPA or address the criminalization through regulation of law abiding citizens. Both of the Ricks have said they will. (Ron Paul is out of the question).

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    • Cat
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:12pm

      PROBlEMSOIVER >

      That’s why the comment …

      There is NO way the powerful people are going to give up their control over us
      Even if we had an Administration and Congress with the balls to dump the concept of income taxation and impose consumption taxation, nothing will change.
      They will continue to steal from the people and spend it faster than we produce it.
      It’s called MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction
      MAD works at ALL levels, in both directions, and from the inside out
      Heard that line before?

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:24pm

      @cat

      My whole point to you is they can’t be de-funded.
      We can De-ball them, though. :)
      Metaphorically speaking, of course.

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    • neverfinal
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:38am

      What astonishes me at how many of you don’t understand what it is that is causing all of the problems that we are witnessing in America. The Agenda 21 Plan is behind everything and the EPA is the top dog. If we don’t understand the true problem, then we are defenseless to stop the problem. Like the saying goes, ” we must know our enemy, to stop him.” The head of the snake must be removed, in order to stop the poison. Many Communities and people are waking up, but it will take all to stop it.
      Until everyone connects with people that are working hard to educate, by putting on local community teaching seminars, we will continue to fall into the pit as the evil snake intends. Educate yourselves.

      The plan is called Global Governance 2025, but with OB in office and likely to lose the election, they are desperate, because people have figured the plan out. The Plan has been moved up to 2012, before OB leaves office. This is why so many freedoms are being taken, they are moving with speed to win this evil plan. Research this and open your eyes. It is a lot of reading to understand, but it is true and happening. There are many groups that are seeing this within their local communities and organizing all over the Country. A good one is called Agenda 21 Today. Get involved and educated, it means Freedom lost to all. This it what the Media is hiding and covering up, all of them are afraid to reveal, because the power and murderous way that these people have over everything and ev

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    • boncarbo7
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 12:00pm

      The EPA and the government have over stepped their authority, the longer we have this intrusive agency and government the citizens will never have any say regarding their private property. As it now stands the government can declare your private property condemned and throw you off and out on the street. I don’t think that is what the Founding Fathers or the Constitution was meant to convey to the citizens.

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    • bowmanr
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:36pm

      As much as I like many things that Ron Paul stands for, there are several areas that I disagree with him on. I, too, would like to see the EPA, Ed. Dept., HHS, etc. disbanded, I think his foreign policy views are childish (ignorant of reality) and many of his domestic policy views too simplistic. Regardless of my views, Ron Paul will NEVER be president of this country. It’s just not going to happen folks! Sorry, but he is the most un-electable of the candidates. And the sooner you Ron Paul supporters come to reality and get on the bandwagon of a candidate that can actually beat Obama, there better. I think it’s going to come down to Romney and Santorum, maybe Gingrich. But I can’t stand Gingrich (too much of a Washington crony), and while I like Santorum, it looks like Romney has the momentum. Forget about Ron Paul. Is he doing this country good by bringing his issues to the forefront of our minds? Yes, but he’s not going to be president.

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    • Protoham
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:36pm

      We need to drain the SWAMP!

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    • Desertviper
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 3:44pm

      A very simple action STOPS all of this if you know your Constitution. You call your local sheriff and have him tell the EPA they will be arrested and jailed if they trespass on your property again. He is the highest authority in your county period! The Fed falls under his authority.

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    • tradexpertbuysell
      Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:38am

      Finally someone in government doing their job. Glory be!

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  • momrules
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:43pm

    I have asked people who they think is the most powerful woman in America and never get what I think is the right answer.
    I think it is Lisa P. Jackson, the head of the EPA. The EPA makes laws with absolutely no over sight.

    The EPA is a very dangerous entity and should be abolished.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:58pm

      Yep — and people ask me why Ron Paul wants to get rid of the EPA.
      They blast Ron Paul saying he wants pollution, when in fact, he want tougher pollution laws.
      He just wants to stop crap like this that is outside the control of Congress.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:03pm

      The EPA is implementing Agenda 21 as well — like defining areas where humans can and cannot live, etc. The green agenda is all tied in with it. SOCIALISM at it’s finest.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:10pm

      Yes, get rid of it!! States can tell a factory if it has a dirty smokestack…..we don’t need this marxist abuse of power!! These people are evil….lets get rid of them!

      Where is a web page to help us join together?? Every one I go to is hijacked by the climate change crazies.

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    • Dumbwhiteguy
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:14pm

      I went to a Progressive website and a showed a Civil Libertarian was really a Progessive. That’s what Ron Paul is. Like they said, Ron Paul would turn the military over to the Sustainable Defense Task Force to save a trillon dollars, run by George Sorros.

      I think he may secretly be a Progressive.

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    • MS Patriot
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:15pm

      So, when the EPA was first introduced no one thought too much about it. The only people complaining were the corporations, who most felt were just complaining because of their need to pollute the environment. We now see the EPA is the model of the progressives new government. How do you get around the Constitution, simple form agencies to implement restriction instead of laws.
      Every agency that creates restrictions that are not over seen by an elected official should be considered unconstitutional. Restrictions of freedoms guaranteed by the constitution are illegal.

      But yet we have the EPA, FEMA, Home Land Security and the TSA who can create new regulations on a daily basis without representation of the people. Just think of it, our forefathers were upset because of taxes and fought a war because of lack of representation, but we continue to allow the government to form these agencies to control more of our rights than our fore fathers ever would have allowed to be taken away.

      We have allowed the progressive socialist to steal our freedoms with regulations.

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    • countryfirst
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:31am

      The current administration is working on a long term solution on dealing with the EPA. Give BHO four more years and large portions of the country will be declared a waste land. Problem solved

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    • annieoakley
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:51pm

      This is absolutely not a coincidence. The EPA is advancing Agenda 21, pack ‘em and stack ’em. They want to get people in the Western States off of our private property because we are hard to control. The EPA has destroyed ranchers for river work 5-7 years after the fact. They use this wetland stuff to mean anything they want and they have an army of taxpayer supported lawyers and bought state judges that make it impossible to win if one is sued. Lawyers have profited the best here including the two in OUR Whitehouse.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:37pm

      You would be correct. SHE IS THE MOST DANGEROUS **PERSON** IN AMERICA, OTHER THAN OUR SOCIALIST PRESIDENT AND HIS EVIL MINIONS (CZARS).

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    • Protoham
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:38pm

      Every State has an EPA. We do not need a Federal one. The Federal EPA must be abolished.

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  • Dougral Supports Israel
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:43pm

    We need to establish a system that requires government to compensate landowners if regulation deprives them of normal use of their property. That would pull the teeth of EPA in a dramatic way.

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    • lel2007
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:56pm

      That system already exists, it’s called Eminent Domain and is as equally unfair as the EPA. The corner stone of America’s foundation is Private Property Rights.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:54am

      A good reading of the 5th Amendment’s takings clause would do fine for that purpose. But, ummmm . . . that isn’t the current reading of the 5th Amendment in Supreme Court caselaw. The taking has to be all (or close to all) of the use of the property.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 7:30am

      We need to slap teh government square in the face no representation no taxation. These agencies are controled by political appointee and require no approval from the peoples house(Congress) to tax ,regulate and punish U.S. citizens. And there are dozens more like the EPA. taxation without representation seems to me I’ve heard of that happening before in this country.

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  • Gary S
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:39pm

    Time to bring back horse whipping and hanging. I‘ve got a hungry ’gator that will do just fine.

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    • Freedomluver
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:53pm

      Time to start reading the founders wisdom.

      `The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.’
      John Adams

      `So great moreover is the regard of the law for private property, that it will not authorize the least violation of it; no, not even for the general good of the whole community.’;
      William Blackstone

      “Government is instituted to protect property. . . . This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own. . . . That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions [i.e., restrictive zoning requirements], exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their [own] faculties”
      James Madison

      “The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management.” –Thomas Jefferson

      Charles Montesquieu, whose writings were recommended by major Framers such as James Madison, John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton, declared: “Let us therefore lay down a certain maxim: that whenever the public good happens to be the matter in question, it is not for the advantage of the public to deprive an individual of his property – or even to retrench the least part of it by a law or a political regulation”

      Ron Paul 2012

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  • valarie
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:38pm

    I’m old enough to remember when “wetlands”were called “SWAMPS.” When I was a kid, I thought this was idiotic and it becomes more idiotic every day. Really? A stinking Swamp or Marsh is something to be protected? Ugh… Build something nice on that crap!

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:02pm

      Rand Paul is fighting them now on the definition of “rivers and streams.” The EPA was trying to say that ANY AREA WHERE WATER RUNS OFF IS A STREAM! You mean like mountains?
      There’s also an EPA rule that they control 500 feet SURROUNDING a water way (once they decide the definition of it).

      Heck, my HOUSE would belong to them!

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:45pm

      NOW HEAR THIS: the EPA regulates ITSELF, which means, while we are all sleeping, MEANING YOU, they are creating new rules and regulations, which WILL control every single piece of property in the USA – YES, YOUR MEASLY OLD 1/2 ACRE BARN. Now, since ANYONE can go to their local election board and find out which citizen is Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc., they have those lists. AND, if you are NOT one of them Progressives, then they will go after YOU FIRST. YES, they will. If you think they won’t because afterall, THIS IS THE UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA, THEN YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. How do you think Hitler did it, people? READ YOUR HISTORY!!!!

      I did like Ron Paul until I found out that he is friends with a lot of Progressives (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). For this, I DO NOT TRUST anyone who plays both sides of the field. It will turn out bad – it always does.

      WE NEED TO DISBAND THE EPA, which will control EVERYTHING eventually.

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  • RedCloudWoundedKnee
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:38pm

    Romney may be the front runner, but Newt Gingrich says openly that we need to stop this EPA intrusion into free American life. I’m switching to Newt.

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    • concealled9mms
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:49pm

      right on red cloud

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:05pm

      Gingrich is lying through his teeth. He’s a globalist, global warming, one world government shill, thus his support for Pelosi and his book endorsement of the Tofflers. Read up — stop listening to him lie.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Did you hear Gingrich say he would get rid of the EPA?
      Did you hear Ron Paul say he would get rid of the EPA?

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    • spiritsmonger
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:16am

      You mean the guy who sat on the couch with Nancy? OK. What will he tell me next?

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    • Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:53am

      @Vecorick
      I‘ll concede that sitting with Pelosi was the dumbest idea Newt could have ever done if you’ll concede he corrected Jimmy Carter’s economic BS. Today feels like Jimmy Carter.

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  • barber2
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:37pm

    Oh my. The Democrats will not like this. The Obama / Teleprompter Administration has had the SCOTUS in its gunsights ever since the Citizens United decision when the administration pilloried the Court during the famous “ you lie” State of the Union speech. ( my, but Wilson was a political seer ) The administration’s campaign wing, the Occupiers, have already announced their Occupy the Courts Day for January 20. Get ready, folks, the Obama Far Lefties are going to trash the court as well as congress in Campaign 2012 ! The Obama Democrats do not need the legislative and judicial branches of government. The Obama Democrats only want an Executive Branch. Get ready. They are declaring war…..on our Constitution….

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:58am

      The SCOTUS is bering aimed at? Sayitaintso!! Congress is already wandering around like a bunch of enuchs.

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  • possom
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:35pm

    If it’s a protected wetland then why was it for sale in the first place? The epa just wanted a bribe that’s all.

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    • Dumbwhiteguy
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:55pm

      Agenda 21. Everything is owned by the government if they say so. We may all be dead before the next election. Sorry to say, but we don’t know. I can tell when we have more people worndering what is going on from the post, and have done some research. I know our president is the head globalist and can hire a billion people to have us run for our lives until we are taken over during his term.

      We were warned before he was elected and no one seemed to care.

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:43am

      Ever see the movie The Pelican Brief???

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  • blazerocker
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:33pm

    Property. Government has one real job that matters to me – ensuring that I can own, keep, and dispose of property. The moment government becomes a threat to my property, I become a threat to government.

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  • BetterDays
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:31pm

    I’m sorry that these folks are having to undergo this blatant abuse at the hands of big government bureaucrats. But there is a very big potential bright spot, if this case is decieded before Obmney care is it will have to potential to illustrate the consequence of bureaucratic over reach and abuse inherent with large government in general.
    Additionally, this article illustrates the very reason I’m for a specific constitutionally minded candidate in 2012, if Obama and his socialist buraceracies allow us an election that is.

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  • larrylarrylarry
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:30pm

    Years ago the EPA declared my underwear as protected wetlands, screw em.

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  • booger71
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:27pm

    Sounds like Scooter MyOar was siding with the EPA of course.

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  • Mtremblay
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:26pm

    Dont get me wrong. I think the EPA started out with a virtuous purpose but these things either need to be declared prior to the sale of any land in very plain English (and I do mean English) or the EPA should have to offer to buy these lands back at current market value if they decide to reclassify any land. I think we need an EPA and it should be a strong one, but we need to break them up and start over! I wonder how much money they have made over the years by this? And I wonder where that money actually went

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    • UrbanCombatSurvivor
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:36am

      I think you have it wrong. The EPA was sold under the scam of a good cause. It was meant for exactly what this article is displaying: depriving private citizens of their rights through a back door that, until now, has effectively kept their destruction of the constitution out of the hands of the courts.

      The EPA is a scam that has done absolutely nothing positive. Show me ONE positive thing this gestapo has produced. Just one….?

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  • macpappy
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:24pm

    The administration needs to be replaced, but in all the debates the Repubs are killing each other and giving Obama talking points for the general election, The Republicans are being handled by the Left wing press, The press is not looking for solutions and plans from the candidates, they are looking for “gotcha moments”. Conservative voters have to coilese to one candidate and focus on Obama.
    I mean which candidate will roll back all of these regulations, and which candidate will let them slide?

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    • macpappy
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:29pm

      Sorry, I meant “coalesce”

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:16pm

      Last year the repubs. tried several times to limit he epa…with no success of course!! Dems kill it every time!

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  • robert75159
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:23pm

    The Sacketts lawyer said,we are not tring to take away the EPAs power?Why the hell not!?The EPA should have 0 power on private property.

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    • ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:08pm

      YEAH! You’re right. You should be able to dump toxic waste, barrels of used oil, or whatever else you want on your land. I mean theres no way it could possibly affect anyone else.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:18pm

      ARgument….we can stop that without a bunch of Nazis to do it!

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:31pm

      @argument
      Well, you dump you fetid, insipid, manure upon us in the form of abusive hyperbole. Why doesn’t the EPA regulate your fiction as being hazordous to conversant debate and constructive resolution of the issue?
      Oh, I know why, that would mean that progressive liberal socialists could only speak when they have facts. The world would be a much quieter place, ah peace at last.
      For starters here are a few facts to digest, the term “Palistine ” comes from the word “philistine”, meaning gentile or Greek foreigner. In other words the “philistine people were like not even Arab, but likely Caucasian mediteranians. But since no “philistines” actually remain in that location, the world will never know. Secondly, the “Islamists ” want Israel to concede land, but both Egypt and Jordan also seized land the UN had “gifted” to the make believe state of Palistine. Where is your outcry that these two countries also return the seized land areas, WBTW are by far greater in area than what Isreal seized .
      Lastly, if I were lobbing rocks at your house, would you give me what I wanted hoping I’d stop lobbing rocks? If so, here come a few rocks, and I want your deed!

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    • MS Patriot
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:34pm

      Under what standards and measures does the EPA operate. What is used to determine if a wet lands is a wet lands. Under what law other than imminent domain can the government come in and tell you what you have to do with your lands. Remember this couple wasn’t dumping toxic waste. They were simply filling in their land in order to build a home. They weren’t filling in the land with 55 gallon drums of acetone. Does the EPA have the ability to determine what is a wetland? If so, why was this not done sooner. If it wasn’t important enough to do before why is it so important now?

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    • ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:26am

      @Betterdays
      I see that word of the day toilet paper you got for Christmas is coming in handy but hows that ADD working out for you? What on Earth does Palestine have to do with the EPA?

      @CRWM
      In your mind, exactly how would “we” stop that? You as a private citizen would have very little recourse, without some governmental body to enforce the laws, short of litigation but in this conservative, libertarian, individualistic fantasy world you dream of you would lose because its the owners right to do with their property as they please. And c’mon EPA=Nazis, really?

      @Ms Patriot
      I realise that this couple wasn’t dumping toxic waste. I was just responding, in like, to the ridiculously broad statement that the EPA should have “0 power”. I‘m sure you’d feel differently if your neighbors were doing such things.

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    • 2GodBeTheGlory
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:56pm

      @ArgumentumAdAbsurdum

      The EPA should not have direct authority as it does. Federal should have impact on state enforcement, not individuals or corporations. The way it SHOULD work, is that laws are made at the Federal level for the benefit of the U.S. and then the states enforce those laws. Look at it this way, there is not a federal police officer that stops speeders, or a federal officer who cites a restaurant for having a dirty floor. Do I believe that a company or person who dump’s poison upstream where my kids play on the river that comes through my property should be held accountable – yes, however, we have laws already in place for that – at very least manslaughter, possible murder if they where warned. Just like the restaurant that put my kid in the hospital, I would expect exiting laws to protect my child (i.e. the ability to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness).

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    • Shotgun167
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:39pm

      @ArgumentumAdAbsurdum

      Yes, you should have the right to dump toxic wastes, but you should face criminal charges the first time a teaspoonful of it turns up on my property.

      Your call for an overreaching nanny state is sad and pathetic.

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  • beekeeper
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:19pm

    This is one of the things that everyone sort of “laughs off” until it happens to them – when they get a letter saying the government has decided you live in a flood zone, and now need to buy flood insurance, or (as happened to me) after I bought a house near (not on) a lake, I was advised by a lawyer that my land was re-zoned and that I could not disturb the land (build anything) – the government didn’t feel compelled to share their plans or even tell us our property had been re-zoned.

    As Justice Alito said “that this kind of thing can’t happen in the United States” – but it does. Every Day.

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    • Dumbwhiteguy
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:44pm

      Everything is being done in secrecy. They are overwhelming the system, making new rules and leaving it up to the courts. We are being taken over internationaly and this is everything that you thought could never happen is going to happen. This is fundamental transformation we were promised.

      If they, being the globalist have to lie, cheat or steal to get there, we are there. We have met the enemy and it is us.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:14pm

    Once again we see the results of an out of control government agency dictating what it wants to do, when they want to, and if someone does not comply they will shatter their lives with daily fines larger than most people make in a year of working – all the while the same people can do nothing until the government sues them.

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:28pm

      What we‘re seeing is Agenda 21 being used to steal private property and lock up land so it can be transformed into another ’heritage’ site so the UN can steal that, too.

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  • Ialmostforgot
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:12pm

    Get your gun, Annie!

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:12pm

    Close it down. Pass out pink slips. It is a joke. Shut it down along with Dept. of Education; and a few others.

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  • skidz71
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:11pm

    The EPA is pure evil! What happened to our freedoms?

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    • cemerius
      Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:18pm

      They left when the “global warming” crowd duped the world!!

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  • dwh320
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:09pm

    The EPA is out of control. Time to disband the agency.

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  • Sammye
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Maybe there IS hope for us…….

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  • godhatesacoward
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:08pm

    Protected wetlands in Idaho???????!!!!!

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:21pm

      Wetlands are defined by the occasional appearance of water – you know, like after a heavy rain.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:14pm

      My first thought exactly!!

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    • ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 10:16pm

      actually it is expressly noted in the definition that land that occasionally develops pools of water after a rain storm are not considered wetlands.

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:45am

      Don’t tell them about the drainage ditch out in front of my house!

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:22am

      There are basically 2 things here in Idaho
      Mountains And High Plains Deserts
      Swamps an Wetlands notsomuch.

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 8:21am

      .63 acres… just under one half of an acre… OK, I don’t think we need to fact check that.
      But seriously, in the grand scheme of things, is this not less than a pimple on a knats ass?

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  • TXPilot
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:05pm

    Did anyone think that giving the EPA such total power, with little or no oversight, was going to work out well?

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  • RightThinking1
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:02pm

    It is past time to reign in the bureaucratic regulators. These people have been handed entirely too much power.

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