Survey: 92% of Young Afghan Men Don’t Know Anything About 9/11
- Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:28pm by
Buck Sexton
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An astonishing survey reported today by the Wall Street Journal claims that 92% of 15 to 30-year-old men didn’t know about “this event which the foreigners call 9/11″ after being read a three-paragraph description of the attacks.
A think tank called the International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) carried out the survey of 1,000 Afghan men in eight districts of Kandahar and Helmand, the two southern provinces where President Barack Obama sent the bulk of American surge troops.
Norine MacDonald, President of ICOS, said that this lack of awareness among fighting-age Afghan males has created:
“a vacuum—and it’s being filled by al Qaeda and Taliban propaganda claiming that we are here to destroy Islam.”
Of the eight percent of Afghans who were familiar with the 9/11 attacks, many of them could be believers in the conspiracy theories abound in the Middle East.
As an example, the Daily Mail cited a quote from Maulvi Abdulaziz Mujahed, a religious leader who served as chairman of the Kabul provincial council in 2008 to 2009 who recently explained in an interview his belief that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and a fabricated pretext for invasion:
“I saw the photos of all those who have been killed in the attacks, and I saw people bring flowers for their loved ones. But I couldn’t find a single Jew among them. The superpowers wanted a good pretext to invade Afghanistan, and these attacks provided it.”
The survey appears to repudiate any notion that Afghan public opinion in the ethnic Pashtun-dominated south and east is broadly supportive of the U.S. military presence there.
The WSJ noted that university students in Kabul, for example, believe the Coalition has dramatically improved the country and they do not want the Taliban in power under any circumstances.
While the rest of the country is likely more supportive of the Coalition, the south and east provide the majority of Taliban recruits, and have been the focus of U.S. military efforts during the Obama administration’s tenure.
Abdul Hakim Mujahid, the deputy chairman of the Afghan government’s High Peace Council, told the Journal that the tide of public opinion has turned, and many Afghans have ceased to believe the Coalition can turn things around.
“Expectations have come down, and now have reached the point of zero. The people are asking: When will the foreigners finally leave?”
Judging by many recent polls gauging support for the war in America, it is clear many of us are asking the same question.
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Comments (118)
waking_giant
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:47pmThese people are poisoned against the U.S. from cradle to grave. They would not believe it if we did tell them. They dont care. Most of these people dont even have running water. They dont want democracy. They want to be left alone no matter how bad the Taliban is. They like Sharia. They like being in the dark. They like being uneducated. I know that is hard for many people to understand but it is true.
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:44pmI agree with everything you said, I wonder why our leaders are compelled to liberate these unworthy and ungrateful wretches.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:04pmI agree. And you noted they did the survey in places Obama sent in troops. Just like it‘s hard to get the woman back into the burka once she’s tasted American freedom.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:08pmwhy would they care ?
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:36pmThey are also human beings believe it or not.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86jlvrG54o
See for yourself
je10
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:47pmBig deal that they don’t know about 3000 Americans being killed. Most Americans don’t know/don’t care that our sanctions on Iraq killed over 100,000 innocent humans.
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/30/why_they_hate_us_ii_how_many_muslims_has_the_us_killed_in_the_past_30_years
Report Post »ireport uderide
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:52pmI’m sure the 8 percent that does know about it will be dancing in the streets come Sunday. I just wonder if anyone in the lame stream media will cover the celebrations of victory in Palestine, Egypt, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan and in Muslim neighborhoods across the world on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 sucker punch?
Most likely not.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 9:39pmof course they don’t but every Mossad does
Report Post »http://www.rense.com/general64/moss.htm
sooner or later people will say damn let me dis prove old tin foil tower 7
then they will say oh crap this is true ….
hud
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:59am92% of these clowns know nothing about anything except bombs and AK’s
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:52amThese folks are a product of their environemnt, and indictive of what islam creates. This is not some anti-American decision they made. They grow up in a country where most do not read. After the Mujahideen (pre taliban) defeated the Russians, they ruled via sharia law. The executed teachers, and professionals. Those that were not executed escaped to places like Pakistan.
You then had a religious class rulling over an uneducated group. They use Islam to keep people slaves and keep them ignorant and in line.
By the Grace of God, you were born in America, and not in some place like Afghanistan.
Keeping the masses ignorant is nothing new. The catholic church did it for many years in Europe. The democratic party/libs/progressives/athiests are doing it now. Thus the reason they demand to keep the public schools in the grips of the federal gov. We know for fact that prior to Jimmy Carter putting the public school in the hands of the federl gov, that we were one of the top nations in math and science. The libs know that they will not get a total take over, unless they dumb down America.
Go ask someone in their 20s who put pen to paper and wrote our constitution, and see if they can name Madison. Ask them to name four of the ten ammendments, and see what they say. Ask them about modern pop culture, MTV, American Idol, College and Pro Sprots….. and they can go on and on. How do you think we ended up with a President named Barack Hussein Obama? How do you
Report Post »BHWeaver
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 1:31pmYou are right they are poisoned against us from the cradle. But you are wrong about everything else, look at the Afghan history; starting with the beginning of the current war and going back. At the beginning of this war it was the CIA, special forces, and the Northern Alliance Forces(an Afghan force) that fought and cornered the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Tora Bora. Is this the actions of people that want to remain oppressed under the Taliban? Then go further back and you will see that the Afghan nation was a rapidly developing country in the 70‘s and 80’s with major strides in agriculture, infrastructure, education, and government. There was during this period a growing modernization of culture and thought in the country. That ended after the communist party took control of the government and began to fail so the Soviets invaded and the country fell into a war that started in 79 and is basically still ongoing.
Report Post »ezeewhiz
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:39pmOh really?. But they do know to cut the heads off of infidels. Enough said!!!
Report Post »eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:35pmThanks to our disastrously failed, ultra-liberal public schools and colleges, 92% of young American men don’t know anything about the muslim attacks of 9/11.
Report Post »ezeewhiz
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:40pmYou just hit that one out of the park!!!!
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 9:33pmWe have to be fair (otherwise we select only information that suits our agenda like socialists do.)
92% of young USA men AND women do not know that WW2 Japanese interrogators were hung by USA courts for water-boarding our POWs. Their guilt was called torture.
Report Post »Snafu777
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:57pm@Blue_sky
Report Post »Good point. We should definitely educate our children on what having a progressive president in office (Roosevelt in this case) can do to our international reputation and citizenry.
Arshloch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:13pm95% of young Afgan men know nothing about anything.
Report Post »savagemonger
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:31pmAll liberals are fools too.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »republapig
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:35pmWatch out Arsh, you might piss-off Roe-Smellin!
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:37pmThe fact that afghans are ignorant and backwards doesn’t make them evil-and it doesn’t give you a right to kill them.if they have backward penal codes it is unfortunate for them but that too does not give us a right to kill them.But they have had democracy-their tribal councils were their judicial system and that is a primitive yet democratic system. the taliban was a result of lawlessness that came about after the soviet invasion.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:49pm@rose-el.. Who said anything about the US targeting and killing young innocent afghans?? You wish that was what we were doing in your disdain for America but we are not. Do innocents get killed? yes. Military intelligence really is an oxymoron. Many soldiers are helping kids over there and protecting them from the Taliban. Why don’t you do us all a favor and go to the Gaza strip and support the Palestinians with your actual self instead of your words. See how they see history, how they feel about Americans, then compare that to afghan kids who know US soldiers as protectors..
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:53pmLet these Muslims and Jews kill each other off and do the world a favor.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:13pmJews are not the problem. Look at history. When Muhammad made up Islam in Arabia in the 7th century, there were Jewish tribes there, and there were Christians. Muhammad killed the Jewish tribes, cut off the heads of the men, took the women for sex and slavery, along with the children. The Koran contains more anti-Semitic hate speech than Mein Kampf! So it isn’t some sort of tit for tat Jews and Muslims fighting, Muhammad did what Hitler failed to do, there are no Jews in Arabia. Look at Afghanistan, there were other religions there at one time before Islam arrived. Every single place Islam is, other religions, mainly Christian, Jew, Hindu, were there for centuries before. Islam is the aggressor, it will accomplish the same thing in America if allowed to spread here. All non-Muslims must join together to fight Islam.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:40pmother religions coexisted with muslims until the western colonialists divied up the land and favored the christians and of course until the european zionists invaded their lands to establish their state on already inhabited “palestine” [called greater syria under the ottomans].
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:55pm@at rose-el.. yea inhabited but not defined as a country! The plan wasn’t to go and evict everyone who lived their! War was waged by the Arabs! Many of those inhabits moved out of their land on their own volition before Israel was established and before the jewish influx. Many were left after being mislead by their own arab peoples and warned about ensuing arab attacks that would occur if Israel was created! ok, no talking, no discussion. They attacked in WAR…, and they lost! If you lose in war YOU LOSE! If Arab countries never attacked in the first place this situation wouldn’t be as bad.. and you blame zionists. You are a brainwashed broken record.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:27pm“coexisted” ROSE-ELLEN? You mean like Christians and Jews being made to wear patches on their clothing of apes or pigs (or colored belts to denote non-muslims) to seperate them from Muslims in Cordova, Spain? Or the Ottomans in Turkey who did not allow the Greek language to be taught in Greece in order to effectively kill off Greek culture and supplant it with Muslim culture. Only the main church in Constantinople was allowed to teach the language forcing the Orthodox Church in Greece to hold secret schools to keep the language alive among the Greek people. The muslim turks also took young Greek boys from their homes at an early age to train for the Ottoman armies. Yes ROSE-ELLEN wonderful coexistence before how did you put it?…ah yes…“western colonialists divied up the land and favored the Christians and the Zionists”. The Hadith (one of Islam’s three holy books) explicitly calls for the killing of every Jew before God reclaims the World. Yes ROSE-ELLEN..that’s some coexistence. You know what your problem is ROSE-ELLEN? You just say stuff as long as it works for your deluded mind. It doesn’t have to be true or accurate..just as long as you believe it and think no one else is educated enough to call your bluff. You’re quite repulsive.
Report Post »OldVietVet
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:26pmTotalitarian governments are ALL ALIKE!! Vietnam in 67, Korea in 53, Russia in 35, Afghanistan in—-any century since history began! They all have totally ignorant civilians who are illiterate and believe ANYTHING they are told by those in power! Make no mistake– they are tough and motivated because they have NO alternative!
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:17pmAfghanistan did not have a government except in name only. They had tribes and they are backward. that we went there dropping bombs on these illiterate backward people exposes our moral bandruptcy. the taliban formed after the wars against the soviet invadoers which left these tibes berift of their lawful councils [so many men died in these anti soviet wars]. The taliban defended the people against lawless thugs. They are not anti -education. Bin laden went there to help defend the afghans against the soviets and the taliban rightfully welcomed him.Bin laden turned against the americans after the iraq war which left many defenseless civilians dead and after the sanctions which we knew would result in more civilian deaths. he was anti saddam and he was anti dictatorship-whether american backed or not. he died believing in his heart of hearts that he did not start this war and he did not. he was a freedom fighter for his people.And the arab uprisings against all these dictators many who we backed confirm this;he supported their uprising.History is written by the victors and yes he was a mass murderer but he knew we are too whether directly or by proxy.he brought us to the knowledge that there could be consequences for us for our policies toward them. That is the source of our anger-not that we value human life [our policies of bombing, invasions, sanction,rendition, propping up dictators indicate we don']tbut because we believed we could act in the world with inpunity for
Report Post »republapig
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:31pmRant Roe-Smellin, rant! I knew as soon as muslimes were mentioned you would start braying again!
Report Post »I will gladly buy you a one-way ticket to iran so you can service all the goat bangers you love so much!
Captain Crunch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:29pm@RoseEllen
Your facts are twisted. Afghanistans problems didn’t start with our interference or even Russian intervention. It started with the Afgan people themselfves killing each other and trying to over throw the Democratic Republic Party of Afghanistan. A search for the Saur Revolution and its causes will back me up on this. The DRPA was a liberal Marxist/Socialists Government friendly with the Soviet Union. This relationship started after the Russian Revolution. Russia went in to help bolster the DRPA.
Report Post »The US interfered in what we saw as Soviet expansion, of which we were determined to prevent during the Cold War. If it wasn’t for our intervention by supporting the tribes and the Taliban, Afghanistan would have been a Soviet satellite nation. We were helping Afghanistan to be a free nation, just as we are trying to do today. The US/Afghan war is not all for our benefit, but also for Afghanistan and the whole region. But the IslamoNuts are too braindead to understand what freedom is. Do you think that kooky Sharia Law is freedom? Do you want to live under Sharia Law RoseEllen ? I would really like for you to answer that question for me. Do you personally want to live under Sharia Law? If so, what are the benefits for you? I wait for your reply…along with many other Blazers.
ArabChristian
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:31pmActually, the Afghans in the countryside don’t submit to any central authority. In a way they are more free than we are in the US.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:34pmAgain ROSE-ELLEN…you’re just saying “stuff” hoping no one knows better. The Taliban did not form AFTER the Soviet invasion to fill any kind of governmental void. They formed DURING the Soviet occupation as part of the mujahideen against the Soviets. The Taliban then proceeded to kill or expell all the educated class, doctors, lawyers etc to have nothing but the books of Islam taught to an already under-educated population and to eradicate anyone that could rally the people against them. They imposed their Sharia compliant version of Islam on the country. Women were no longer permitted to get an education. Buddhist shrines destroyed..etc.
Report Post »republapig
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:25pm“I saw the photos of all those who have been killed in the attacks, and I saw people bring flowers for their loved ones. But I couldn’t find a single Jew among them. The superpowers wanted a good pretext to invade Afghanistan, and these attacks provided it.”
What? These guys have “jew radar”? What does a jew look like?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:00pmJust like the constituion can be interpreted any way we like, so too sharia law can interpret the koran any way the people like. No -i am not a fundamentalist muslim and don’t want to be forced to cover myself, or have barbaric penal codes. i don’t believe all muslims and all muslim nations do either. right now many muslim nations have been under brutal western backed dictatorships-so your concern about human rights regarding sharia is bogus. The afghans did not ask us to invade them after the soviets left and to call invasion and occupation of people liberation is again a cynical justifiction to kill people who by the way had nothing to do with 9-11 and are too backwards to even have heard of it. When revenge is your motive -then ethics goes out the window-like it has here and in iraq.Using the word freedom as you drop bombs on men women and children does not exonerate you from murder any more then a muslim using the word God exonerates them.And they are genuinely convinced that they are freedom fighters wanting to liberate their homelands from our unjust invasions and prior our unjust meddling via dictators for our oil, and military bases and cold war interests.They have more legitimacy then we do because we have been meddling in the homelands. alquada is no nation state but an organization that committed a crime..What is freedom?if people believe they are free-they are free. the minute they believe they are not ,then they are not.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:43pmyes because ROSE-ELLEN would have us all believe that before any westerner showed his face in the middle east, it was a veritable land of milk and honey and tolerance rather than monarchies, political monopolies, theocracies and dicatorships. The Taliban is indeed “anti-education” ROSE-ELLEN and if you ever picked up a history book you’d know it. When the Taliban siezed power, they killed or expelled all the educated class from Afghanistan, doctors, lawyers, professors..etc. Only the holy books of Islam were to be taught. Women were no longer allowed to get a formal education and learn to read. Aghanistan became a rigid theocracy. Buddhist shrines destroyed. Zero tolerance for anything not of Islam. But in ROSE-ELLEN’s parallel universe..”the Taliban were not anti-education”.
Report Post »RayofDarkSunshine
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:38am@rose, what are your thoughts on the Liybian conflict?
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:19pm.
Report Post »These people respect the guy with the biggest boot…..Obama wear’s slippers………..
mils
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:11pmThese people need to be informed about what happened at 9/11….in BIG BOLD LETTERS…
They just fight because it’s all they have ever known, not knowing why or wherefores…..IGNORANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, BY US…IN A BIG WAY!! but Obama would need to approve that and he just prefers stupidity
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:02pmMaybe they do not understand how important 9/11 is to the TEA party, but they do know that foriegn troops are walking all around their country and seriously bossing them, sometimes to death.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:07pmDo they know that those foreign troops currently “bossing them to death” are doing so under orders from Leftist Democrat Commander-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama? Maybe that’ll make them feel better.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:11pmThey should feel fortunant that they were given an oprotunity to be “bosses” around. I wouldn’t have been that generous
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:23pmWe have spent all that money feeding the Military / Industrial Complex. Of course they don’t want the people to know the truth. That we are there to generate Trillions for the global elite….Err… I mean a ‘Humanitarian deed, Spreading democracy, and hunting down these terrorists, for the security of the U.S.A.’ . We must hunt down these people in these deserts and kill them, or I may not be safe, going to the movies tonight.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:34pmMaybe the majority of the younger Afgan’s chose to answer the question falsely. They can deny they have any knowledge of what happened on 911, which makes people who would mention the attack that day as liars.
Like I’m going to trust the words of 1000 Tribal, Uneducated heathens. Who cares if they want to act like 911 never happened.
Only a moron would trust a ridiculous pole, that 1000 morons participated in.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:39pmProbiemSoiver, Last night your Savior, Ron Paul suggested giving an Additional 10 Billion Federal Dollars to FEMA. DOes that help or hinder the “Global Elite” that you imagine under every rock.
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:41pmIf the sandal was on the other foot,
Report Post »…were I an unsophisticated Christian heathen living in central California with an occupying Army of Iranian Muslim foreigners telling me what I should live like, me and my most patriotic buddies would find a proactive way to resist therapy. And it would be cost effective, too.
rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:30pmSpoken like a good 21st century german. Americanism-the religion of 21st c good germans! long live the freedom fighters who gave the americans a taste of their own medicine ,one fine glorious day. For all their military might they’ve been acting like frightened criminals ever since. it‘s not easy to take over the world and it’s not easy to commit genocide america-hence you have to look over your shoulder every where you go like the criminals that you are-always afraid of once again getting “caught” by those freedom fighters like on that most glorious day given to man.
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:04pm[Where is the "real" RoseEllen?]
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:14pm@MODEL82A1
RON PAUL is not my savior, just an honest American that follows the constitution.
Report Post »He would actually get rid of FEMA, but you are too politically uneducated to understand that.
That you assume the NWO is a conspiracy, shows you’re extremely ignorant to the facts.
I really lack the patience or time to edify you.
AvengerK
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:51pmCorrect me if I’m wrong ROSE-ELLEN…but did you just call 9/11 a “glorious day given to man” and actually said “god bless the freedom fighters”? You vulgar, wretched little woman. Get some medical help. You nauseate me.
Report Post »Scrubpuppy
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:00pmSo, can we come home yet?
Report Post »chazman
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:08pm… over 70% of the Afghan population is illiterate, and living the same way that they have for hundreds of years. Truly a stone age culture …
Report Post »Parkeralan
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:17pmYes get the he!! out now! The amount of time we have spent there we should have developed some nice local intel assests, let them tell us where to send the Tomahawks. NO nation building! Anyone messes with America, break a bunch of their stuff, kill some bad guys and get the he!! out, DONE!
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:52pm@Chazman
You’re quite wrong. I have a nice photo gallery here of Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s before the Russians decided to pay them a visit. You may be surprised at their “terrible backwards stone-age culture”. Seems like 40 years of almost continuous warfare tends to destabilize a country.
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http://www.djmick.co.uk/life/1950s-and-60s-afghanistan-photos/
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:56pmMy son reciently registered for the draft and just received his draft card. I have great reservations about him fighting under our present Commander-in-Chief. As long as the politicians are idiots who permit our children to be used as pawns and fodder for their political wars I can’t encourage my son to be a part of it. In the end it’s his choice though. I can think of other alternatives for the defense of our country. Enough said.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:00pmI understand and I’m with you……you’re right unfortunately.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:00pmYour son told you he received a “draft card” and you believed him? What an idiot!!
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:08pmSelective Service is not a bad thing. My son volunteered and is now serving in the Air Force. I hate the fact that barack is my son’s boss. He is not fit to call boots into battle. With the way things are going, I really don’t think you have any worries about your son being drafted. There just too many volunteers.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:12pm@MODEL82A1
Nooo, you have to expand on your statement. It ws an “acknowledgement” of registration, not a “draft card” So why am I or he an idiot? Registration is the law.
Report Post »republapig
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:23pmsince when do we have a draft again?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:25pm@Captain
“It ws an “acknowledgement” of registration, not a “draft card” So why am I or he an idiot?”
Likely because you called it a draft card.
Obama will never call for a draft. His constituents would turn on him faster than they already are. The only way your son will see action is if he signs up himself… or if another terrorist attack happens.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:28pmI thought the draft was ‘repealed’ in the ’70s……
when was it reinstated?
Report Post »BenInNY
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:34pmSheesh, I thought it was called a draft card too. Granted, haven’t seen it since I was 18.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:42pmOk….I apologize for the error in terminology. I feel like I’ve just been beaten up. My point still stands though. Who amonst you wants to fight for Obama?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:52pm@Captain
Sorry if it came off that way; my father was drafted in ‘Nam, and his father and uncles in WWII, and I thank God we don’t have the draft any more. As for who wants to fight for Obama? People all have different reasons to do so; most, I would imagine, fight for their country, friends and family. Even during the huge jump in recruits after 9/11, it wasn’t people fighting for Bush, it was for America.
As said, the draft won’t come back. Not with this president at least; he knows it would be the one thing he can’t “hope and change” his way out of.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:07pm@Locked
No offense taken. I know what you’re saying. If one of my children ended up dieing in war for this country I would not feel his life was wasted. Our freedoms and way of life is worth whatever sacrifices it takes to preserve it. Obama is the problem. Even an idiot can heed the advice of his generals. I don’t trust him to do even that. I can see him screwing up so badly that it would cost us a great price in many different ways. I just don’t want my son or your sons to be casualities of his stupidity.
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:19pmIf there were a Real Draft, there never would have been an Iraq War Part Deux, and the Afghanistan Al Queda Campaign woiuld have been over in 1 year with Obama‘s head on Bush’s mantelpiece fresh from Tora bora and our troops safe at home.
Our brave and stoic All Volunteer Forces are the Neo-Cons best friends.
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:56pm“Our freedoms and way of life is worth whatever sacrifices it takes to preserve it.”
How exactly is fighting in Afghanistan going to preserve our freedoms and way of life?
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:02pmSome info for Hippo
Myth: Most Vietnam veterans were drafted.
2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed were volunteers. [McCaffrey] Many men volunteered for the draft so even some of the draftees were actually volunteers.
87% of the American people hold Vietnam Vets in high esteem.
91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served.
74% said they would serve again even knowing the outcome.
It was the media and DEMs that screwed with the draft will change their minds. The draft was needed for WWII…not needed for VN, Iraq, AFG, Libya and Somalia…OMG Obama is moving out in 4 nations now…prob more than we will ever know under Obama.
Stretch them thin and run them hard like what Obama is doing will cause problems.
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Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:43pmSome info for SamIAm2:
I agree 100% with ALL your points, I was just making a different point.
I am a VietNam Veteran 1972-1975, a volunteer.
I enlisted in 1971, just before the “lottery draft” ended.
I served alongside many drafted men as well as lifers and just regular guys like me (I did 9 and got out with three honorable discharges).
I remember the years and years of riots, demonstrations and civilian outroar that caused the war to be ended by Nixon before we could “win it.”
I think the anti-war movement was based on the fact of the draft, which made everyone a stakeholder in wars.
Today it’s different, less than 1 percent of the country is involved in Military issues, let alone service.
The average American has other things to think about, than “how many of our finest are in harms way, and for what.”
It has never ever been easier for a bunch old wealthy chicken hawks and neo cons to send our best out to die to attain their interests (good or evil). Since 9/11 more than 5,000 have been killed and 30,000 are severly wounded warriors that would have died in the VietNam era).
My point is, not that the volunteers are at fault; but that they are invisible to the AVERAGE citizen who is focused on hanging on to a job. This lets politicians send our Military to endless war.
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Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:55pm‘
The left-wing propaganda knows no bounds.
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rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:11pmOur freedoms have never been threatened by any one -not afghans ,not vietnamese . though the only way to justify mass murder of civilians and to tell yourselves that you didn’t die in vain or lose your limbs in vain is to tell yourselves it kept you free. Not much different the the mindset [we are told] those muslims have when they murder. [at least those muslims really are victimized by our invasions and proxy dictators or israeli occupation].Oh and you americans who like to bully those afghans and iraqis-you wern’t bullying any one when you were falling out of windows. if that’s the only time you stop bullying people well you never know what the future has in store for a nation that takes pride in bullying civilians.
AvengerK
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:54pmFreedoms never threatened ROSE-ELLEN? So don’t see a threat to freedom in a concentrated and zealous campaign by muslim jihadis to target Americans anywhere they find them for wholesale slaughter? Really? This isn‘t an afront to anyone’s freedom in that fetid miasma you call your mind?
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:55pmOf course they wouldn’t know….why would they?! And what’s wrong with destroying Islam? I’d be for that, but afraid that can’t be done.,,in fact, it’ll be around until the “end” causing untold destruction & the only One able to zap them totally is Jesus. But I digress……….my opinion is it was wrong to go there and also to stay in Iraq – so of course I’m for bringing troops back…..all – not leaving any. It’s unwinable in Muslim countries. We need them here!
Report Post »The mantra/reason that Bush Admin. gave to stay there is so we could fight them there and not have to here. That was very naive, ignorant, erroneous What they & so many now don’t want to admit or see is that they were ALREADY HERE. They have infiltrated our society and inserted themselves into political positions, schools, everything. They’re backed by the Muslim Brotherhood and are waiting until they get enough to get their Sharia laws passed and eventually take us over for Allah (check out Dearborn, MI and Detroit, etc.) But I don’t know what the solution is in our “free society” – unless you can prove sedition and then you’d still have them around plotting and planning their evil deeds. We need Divine intervention. Pray on!!! Site: http://www.actforamerica.com
biohazard23
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:52pmNot a surprise. How many kids here in this country really know about 9/11? Elementary public schools won’t even discuss it as part of their curriculum because it might offend someone.
Then again, the Afghans haven’t even evolved to Stone Age standards so what do you expect?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:34pm“Not a surprise. How many kids here in this country really know about 9/11? Elementary public schools won’t even discuss it as part of their curriculum because it might offend someone.”
As the survey in question opined 15-30 year olds, I think your “elementary public school” remark is a bit off.
I think a good analogy would be something like “How many US 15-30 year old know about the Islamic Revolution of Iran.” I‘m guessing it’s not many, but it was a key step in the destabilization and anti-west sentiment in the Middle East, similar to 9/11. Or perhaps more analogously would be the Saur Revolution which led to the Soviets invading Afghanistan.
There’s a lot of information young US males are missing about foreign relations. I think the more telling survey would be “How many US males 15-30 years old can pick out Afghanistan on a map?” (A National Geographic survey from 2006 found that 63% of 18-24 year old can’t identify Iraq).
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:31pmWell, seeing as a majority of Afghans are illiterate, it would not be much of a stretch to say that American elementary school kids are significantly more intelligent and have been exposed to far more world events. I’m sure you were unable to figure that one out all by your little self, you poor dear….
Report Post »harryset
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:48pmBack in 1956, when living in Japan with my parents, the Japanese out in the country, didn’t know anything about Pearl Harbor.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:58pmYet everyone is convinced that every German knew exactly what was going on in camps in Poland.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:46pmBig surprise, 95% of young Afghan men have never heard of indoor plumbing either.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:53pmDo you have any idea what an Asian toilet looks like even in places with indoor plumbing? Well, I’ll tell you. It’s a hole in the floor.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:13pmhow bout deoderant?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:46pm92% of Young Afghan Men Don’t Know Anything About Soap, Deodorant, Toothpaste or Women’s Sexuality Either.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:45pmWhy would they, they live in mud huts, dont have electricity and believe in the oppression of women, freedom and a death cult… oddly they know how to shoot AKs and make IEDs.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:30pmIt’s not for us to impose our culture on them or to deprive them of theirs. even backwards stone age people have the right to exist. We have our own problems and are no more moral then they are.And i was there in the 70′s just prior to the soviet invasion. there was hardly any food in the freezing winter and no medicine[i got an infection and was told at their hospital that no supplies had arrived from the USSR yet so they could not treat me]. the people were so poor it was like going back into the old testament bible times.thoug they had beautifully colored clothes. in the summer there was lot of fresh frits .Water seemed scarce as we had to shares glasses in the reataurants. oh and i never had to pay for a thing- as a foreigner i was treated with the utmost hospitality accorded a stranger. They had no animosity toward me for being an american -i traveled with other westerners.Being female in western garb aws tolerated .Women there were covered in burquas-very very bizarr to behold but this was before the taliban. hence the burqua is a cultural thing-not a taliban thing.That you all want to kill these backward people who gave me tea, free lodging and food when they had it- shows how crass and ugly you americans for all your might are!.shame on you-and especially you who claim to follow Jesus Christ! unbelievable!
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 3:23amLove ya Rose-Ellen. Thank you for sharing your experience, that was very interesting.
Report Post »GERATMO
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:44pmThis proves this war will never end. We need to bring our troops home as soon as we can.
Report Post »tom
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:42pmObama admin scheming to advance homosexuality in Africa Wikileaks reveals
by Kathleen Gilbert
Wed Sep 07, 2011 17:53 EST
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Also:Leaked cables: Obama admin called Catholic Church source of spreading “homophobia” in Poland
by Kathleen Gilbert
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I can only suspect Obama wants everyone to be gay. Can you imagine or should I say do you want to imagine, the sick and twisted stories the White House walls will tell when this bunch have been sent packing in the voters booth in 2012?
Ranubis
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:42pmThe time to get out of Afghanistan is log pasted. Hey BHO thought you were going to bring our boys home?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:41pmGood question…. when will we finally leave.
Report Post »We leave our front door wide open (borders)
and deadbolt, barracade, bar, and stand with a gun at the back door.
Makes no sense to me, but then what the heck do I know.
kickagrandma
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:41pmSo?
The sad thing is most of our young people don’t either!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:38pm63% of US citizens 18-24 years can’t identify Iraq on a map (National Geographic 2006 survey). Ignorance is heavy on all sides.
Report Post »Cat
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:36pmBut, 100% know how to fire an AK47 …
Report Post »Ranubis
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:43pmThat’s just a part of life in that area of the world, has been for thousand of years, and will be for thousands to come.
Report Post »Cat
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:19pm@RANUBIS
Something else that’s been going on over there for thousands of years.
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And will be for thousands of years to come.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:30pmI suspect that they’re more focused on things like, oh I don’t know, not starving.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:47pmNot getting blown up or seperated from your head ranks right up there too.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:04pmExactly correct. These guys live hand to mouth, probably have no idea that paper exists let alone computers and see automobiles and other modern transportation as something only foreigners have (or very, very rich people in their nation, you know, the folks who make $4.00 a day…the real economic powerhouse types). Why would they know, or care, about something that happened here in these united States?
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:07pmI suspect they focus on who they want to blow up next!! Seems that‘s all they’ve been doing for years. Before bombs they focused on killing some other way….I don’t think they care about anything else. Not the truth (some here could care less about truth either) not education, not evolving past 2000 year old ************ killing machines. It’s sad.
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:54pmLookie here, pictures from Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s. You may be surprised.
http://www.djmick.co.uk/life/1950s-and-60s-afghanistan-photos/
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