Suspicions Mount Over Widow‘s ’Lake Pirate’ Murder Story
- Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:23pm by
Meredith Jessup
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The wife of a man reportedly shot by “lake pirates” on the Mexican side of Falcon Lake last week returned to television today to share her side of the story. Just a day after her husband David’s memorial service, Tiffany Hartley appeared on NBC’s Today show to answer some pointed questions from host Meredith Vieira.
According to Hartley, she and her husband were ambushed and her husband shot dead by “lake pirates” while they were out on the lake on jet skis. But suspicions have grown in the wake of David’s reported death as Mexican police officials have yet to recover any remains and Hartley was mysteriously set free unscathed. Hartley reportedly spent three hours on Tuesday at the Mexican consulate where she said filled out paperwork to “get the ball rolling on getting the government to do something.”
During her appearance on Today, Vieira asked Hartley point blank if she‘d had anything to do with her husband’s disappearance and/or death:
“No, not at all,” Hartley replied. “I loved him very much. And I went back for him, to help him, and I did what I could.”
When Vieira asked why authorities might be suspicious of Hartley, she claimed it was because they had no evidence. “We were in Mexico, and U.S. authorities can’t go over there. And I have no proof, I have no cameras, I have nothing. I don’t have the photos that we were taking. I don’t have anything except for my word.”
Hartley also claims she can’t recall the physical features of any of the attackers. “Honestly, looking at the barrel of the gun is all I saw. I was pretty focused there. I couldn’t tell you what they look like.”
As for why the so-called “lake pirates” spared her husband and set her free, Hartley says she is alive only by the grace of God. “All I can do is give God the glory. That’s all I can do. Is that he had touched them to leave me,” she said.
Wednesday evening, Tiffany and other family members of David Hartley returned to the U.S. side of the lake lake and took boats out to lay a wreath in his memory.
At a news conference, Hartley said the family would like to see more efforts from the Mexican authorities to find him.
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Comments (121)
BurntHills
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:17amhow sad so many Americans are willing to assume the grieving young widow is guilty of something and they want the criminal Mexicans already terrorizing that lake to be innocent.
Report Post »robtracy
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:12amI have a plan:
Report Post »1. Really nice big ol cabin cruiser boat that will do about 40mph
2. Two really hot babes drinking champagne on deck.
3. Two guys sharing the champagne and generally looking rich and aloof.
4. Five or more good marksmen in full tactical gear with Level IV body armor and assault rifles with Beta Cmags below decks or hiding in the cabin.
5. A sniper some where with a .50 shooting API
Let the group stray a little too close to the Mexican side of the lake and “hang out” fishing. When said pirates arrive clearly limp deeper into the American side while the pirates give chase. Let the sniper(s) take out the pirates engines and see where it goes from there. If you want to catch the fish you have to use the right bait. I personally have no problem with a bunch of thug pirates becoming fish food if they don’t stand down against the above situation.
JamesF
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:31amJust issue a few letters of marque, let the Privateers keep everything except illegal cargo, let the government pay a reward for confiscated drug shipments. Just imagine the war on drugs becoming a capitalist venture…
Well. I am in fact glad we don’t, but imagining anything being done to stop this kind of thing is nice.
Report Post »Zing
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:06amShe may just be cried out or still in shock. When suffering from PTSD people don’t always react with expected behavior. It doesn‘t surprise me that she couldn’t identify them either. I had a gun in my face before and hours later talking to the police I could describe the gun in great detail but I was already forgetting details of the appearance of my assailants. For a couple days I was freaked out. I was in fear I would see them somewhere and what would they do? What would I do? Having a firearm stuck in your face is a pretty demoralizing event I don’t wish on anyone. However if she’s lying then she deserves to have the full brunt of the law books tossed at her in my opinion.
Report Post »eddvoss
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:05amI have never lost a spouse but I have lost a child and I can tell after telling the story enough times it becomes robotic. You are just saying words that have been robbed of any meaning. The pain is so intense that the mind shuts down and goes on automatic pilot. I have been hearing about the violence on and around Falcon Lake long before I heard this story. Just Google the term “Pirates in Texas Lake” and you will find stories from as far back as May. I tend to take the woman at her word until given a reason to think differently.
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:17amGreat post!
Report Post »wifezilla
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:53amExactly Edd. Unless you have experienced deep trauma, you don’t know how you will react. Fortunately I have not had a spouse die but we have had some serious issues. I went on autopilot. Didn’t cry until weeks after everything was ok. I hate to think that because I didn‘t gnash my teeth and rip out my hair in exactly the right way people would think I didn’t love my family. Sheesh.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:57amThere was reports of violence in this area before same as her story of Mexicans boats chasing US boats + the independent witness describing the same thing as she did + the Mexican authorities didn’t bother to investigate .
Report Post »I would wait before I accuse her .
Sunnyr
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:52amI believe her story. She was very distraught and weepy but not hysterical. Not everyone reacts in a hysterical way. A policeman says there is an eye witness to the “pirate” boats with men and guns. Evidently there were 2 or 3 boats involved. Please don’t convict this young woman without evidence of wrong doing. She is going through a very traumatic time.
Report Post »kiwi1
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:51amI DON’T Believe The Freaking Mexican Government or Mexican Military.
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:02amYou are correct. How stupid would we be when, there is at least one eyewitness. and more importantly to add to your statement:
At this point in time, the political climate is way ‘too hot’ regarding Mexico, for the LSM to allow this story to play out fairly.
She seems believable, and the part no one is mentioning, is the potential loss of tourist dollars in the event people begin to buy her story.
My spouse always is amazed at the people who will pay to go to a third world country, such as Mexico. In the event of a tragedy of catastrophe, you are stuck!!! you are in so much more trouble than if you would have just ‘sucked it up’, paid a little more money for your vacation, and gone somewhere where a nation is not so full of crap!! Not these days, your risk is greater than in past decades.
Report Post »Veritas
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:45amGiven the Sheriff’s statement, I am not at this time questioning this woman. I am not saying I am all in, but a “credible witness” that does not know her, but backs up her story is more evidence in her favor than any negative evidence I have seen so far.
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:55amI think you are right.
Report Post »JamesF
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:28am1. I believe it happened.
2. It’s a big lake
3. The violence is real along the border.
4. The sheriff has a witness to the chase.
5. If the local cartel doesn’t want the Mexican authorities to find him, they won’t.
6. Pirates wouldn’t leave a perfectly good jet ski floating around to be found.
7. Pirates wouldn’t kill someone without stealing everything they have, maybe even a life jacket.
Having said all that, the only part of her story that sounds fishy to me would be her trying to rescue her husband and still escaping. Traumatic events play havoc with a person‘s mind and she may be completely convinced that’s what happened. She may need to believe that’s what happened. The more plausible explanation would be she saw her husband gunned down, panicked, made a run for it and got away. We have no way of knowing for certain but that bit does nothing to make me disbelieve the incident didn’t take place.
Report Post »Conservachic
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 6:12amYou make great points about why she may have appeared suspicious – & why it is believable. She may feel really guilty for escaping. Maybe she never really went back & feels guilty about that..who wouldn’t. If all is how she told it, if she went back–she’d be dead & missing, too.
Time will tell…I hope. In a way I hope it’s as someone else said…the husband will show up…I forget, but like it was for a story. I’d rather it be something like that…than what it probably REALLY is. Dang it’s a wild world.
Report Post »khurst28
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 4:00pmAll very good points. Also would like to know if they have investigated whether or not their vehicle had a trailer for one or two jet ski’s. I also heard that perhaps it was some members of a drug cartel that went “rouge” and hid the evidence (jet ski and body) so as to not get in big trouble with their leader for killing without his orders. They said if that was in fact the case, no one would likely ever find the body. Regardless, it is a terrible tragedy for this man and his family.
Report Post »DMD
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:28amHow big is the life insurance policy?
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:13amThis whole thing smells. When I saw Hartley interviewed on TV last night, my initial impression was that she killed the husband. To me, the look on her face and the fact that she was making the media rounds without much sadness at all was telling. This reminds me of so many other similar cases where the spouse of a murder victim jumps all over “the tube.” Scott Peterson, that other Peterson guy, the former cop, etc. etc. She’ll be cuffed soon enough is my opinion.
Report Post »JamesF
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:34amMaybe. I’m leaning more towards her jumping all over the tube to light a fire under the Mexican authorities to go out looking for him than anything else. It‘s dangerous out there on the water and one missing American isn’t much motivation to go out against a boatload of armed bandits. Unless you get enough public outcry.
Report Post »jackieb163
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:04amI live in S. Texas… It has been reported that the Mexican authorities are saying it didn’t happen because no one on their side of Falcon Lake heard or saw anything. Here on the US side they say they have a witness that confirms that a boat appeared to be chasing a jet ski about the time she says this happened… also being reported is that Gov. Rick Perry has given Mexican Authorities 48 to find the body… he says that if they can‘t find the body in that time then they aren’t trying hard enough. I of course can’t say what the truth is, but the violence is REAL down here.
Report Post »diesel71dan
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:00amI hope I am wrong but for some reason, I don’t know why, I thought something was fishy when i first saw this story. Like I said, I dont know why, I am usually not that skeptical a person but I felt there was more to this story from the start.
Report Post »TJeff2112
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:55pmDon’t jump to conclusions.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/tiffany-hartley-denies-role-in-husbands-jet-ski-death-on-mexico-texas-border-lake/19662827
On the U.S. side, Gonzalez told “Today” that an independent witness echoed Hartley’s report of four to five people in a boat that chased her toward the U.S. and then returned to Mexico.
Report Post »imareader
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:54pmThe one thing that really bothers me about this tale (I’ve read two different reasons the American couple went to the Mexican side of the lake) is that apparently this lake is a wide open doorway into the US big enough to drive an entire convoy through with little or no oversight. No passport required.
Report Post »TJeff2112
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:53pmI wouldn’t jump the gun and start accusing her just yet.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/tiffany-hartley-denies-role-in-husbands-jet-ski-death-on-mexico-texas-border-lake/19662827
On the U.S. side, Gonzalez told “Today” that an independent witness echoed Hartley’s report of four to five people in a boat that chased her toward the U.S. and then returned to Mexico.
Report Post »Contrarian51
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:16amHas anyone seen any details about the witness? Mexican or U.S. citizen? In a boat or on shore? How far away from the incident? All the references I’ve seen say the witness has spoken to “authorities” but whose authorities? I’m not feeling any “Scott Peterson” at this point but I also can’t make sense of the story as it stands, either. The wife‘s story is that the bad guys were looking at her as she tried to get her husband’s body on her jet ski, then they drove off or watched her drive by them (I’ve heard it both ways). Mexican gang lets murder eyewitness go. Really? Presuming the victim was wearing a left jacket (I don‘t think I’ve ever seen anyone on a jet ski without one), he should have floated unless someone unsnapped/unbuckled it but no one can find a trace of the body?
There’s way too much that is unresolved here. I‘m not accusing the wife but I’m also not close to proclaiming her innocence, either. I do think the case will resolve soon.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:43pmI have seen almost every interview and listened to the 911 recording. This woman is telling the truth, and I find it disgusting that the media is treating her like she did something wrong.
Report Post »Venom
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:50pmI agree with you
Report Post »Firefight
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:18amI agree with you completely. I suspect the media is treating her this way because it is taking attention off of the border crisis. That is why the sheriff said they can’t join in on the search efforts because that is how bad it is. And for those doubting her story because she had no tears or seemed calm… If you have ever been through something tragic you would know you can only cry so much and many people become numb. This is not over for her by a long shot. How about giving this woman our prayers instead of casting judgment on her
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:52ami believe you are correct.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:34amthe ”suspicions mount” headline is enough to piff us off. WE are NOT suspicious of her. we ARE suspicious of why that filthy Mexico is trying to drag her thru their blood-soaked mud.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 4:58amI’d like to think of myself as a Sarah Connor, but if I were staring down the barrel of the gun that just blew my husband away? Probably not. If I saw my husband mortally shot? Couldn’t say how long it would be before I saw anything else. Maybe never. Do I trust the Mexican Government? Absolutely not. Do I trust our Border Sheriff’s? Yes. Texas Sheriff said he believed her. He also said there was an independent witness. Another point? I am suspicious of our media. They have an agenda, and it does not favor Americans or America.
Report Post »amerykingrl
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:29pmI agree… I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley and the tales of violence are very true …. there is soooo much drug activity down there… of the friends that I graduated with probably 70% of them that still live there are either currently involved or were in the past involved in the drug industry… it was very sad when I went to my HS reunion to see how bad it really was
Report Post »Masamune
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:42pmI don’t trust anything Mexican authorities say these days. For all we know they could’ve been bribed for silence. It would be truly unfortunate if she was lying about everything.
Report Post »RebelAlliance
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:41pmShe is very calm for just coming through a horrific and terrifying experience…. this does not smell right but I hope my gut is wrong.
Report Post »Mousey
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:37pmthat’s nothing … the luftwaffe stole my girl !
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:37pmLots of jumping to conclusions here. I wonder what Glenn would say about that? But seriously, we are all here because we are in a way Glenn Beck disciples and I do not think he would jump to judgement without proof.
Report Post »Prospero
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:51pm“we are all here because we are in a way Glenn Beck disciples”
Well, speak for yourself. I‘m here because it’s a political forum that permits you to register your moniker, and Glenn Beck is decent enough. I like him.
I found the intellectual climate much more stimulating at HumanEvents.com, however their dilapidated software, lack of moniker registration, and absence of moderation led to it becoming infested with imposters and incessant trolling.
If they correct that, I’ll likely return there. In the meantime, I’ll hope and pray that Glenn Beck decides to post articles by other syndicated personalities such as Thomas Sowell, Ann Coulter, Charles Krauthammer, Walter Williams, etc. so as to provide a much needed elevation in the intellectual climate here.
Report Post »Yakimaniacal
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:53pmI admire much about Glenn Beck, but don‘t ever say I’m here to be his disciple! Even Glenn would go apoplectic if anyone insinuated that were the case. There’s been one man in history worthy of disciples, he was also God, you may have heard of him… His name ain’t Glenn btw.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:00amProspero is the ani-intellectual climate here.
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:14amNigel2 I agree and I’m surprised at how quickly folks are jumping to conclusions about her. I again say that if the Mexican government really suspected she was lying why wouldn’t they put an effort into helping to prove THEIR theory. Folks , you are right about things “not being right”…. but I think it is “ not right” with the mexican side of the border. Regarding how she is acting….she can not afford to breakdown until after the ordeal. that is what “shock” is all about. I reserve judgement against her until more is learned.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 6:03amHoly smoke guy!! I like beck alot and stick up for him and what he’s doing, but your a little wacko sounding. The Beckster is not the messiah. Stop using biblical references like disciples and stuff. If you really want to know what Beck thinks, I bet he would be creeped out by your messiah/daddy complex. Or whatever………….
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:33pmI‘m waiting for Greta’s touch
Report Post »jjagelka
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:29pmHate to say it, but I had this thought the first time I heard the story. I truly hope that this doesn’t turn out to be true. How can someone be that evil?
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:34pmHow can someone be that evil? With all due respect, what planet have you been living on?
Report Post »Prospero
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:47pmI assume you’ve never been divorced….
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:56pmMexicans are true libertarians excersising their free will by not answering to anyone.
Report Post »felina g
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 7:21amProspero….Good one ! Cracked me up big time.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:26pmShe had the sound of tears but no actual tears. I think Scott Peterson (sp?) did the same thing. Always a little suspect.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:39amwe have a family member here who is a middle-aged widow because her husband was killed, and she did not cry tears except in her shower. and we know some women are cried out by now, too, as she is exhausted and has to relive it for strangers, authorities, reporters, all the time. her story will change a little too as she struggles to remember why and how, that stuff happens so fast, and make sense of why she is still alive — she lived but she saw them kill her beloved husband and she was helpless. Poor woman, too bad we do not have a group of armed covert ex-SEALS hanging out on that lake.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 5:48amSome of you goofball, amateur detectives need to stop watching so much CSI. You sound really stupid.
Report Post »ondrock
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 8:26pmI believe her story, but I still wonder why she was so far into Mexican waters with all that have been going on at this lake.
Report Post »TheQuill
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 8:43pmSorry, but with so many liars killing their spouses, children, and friends and crying ever so tearfully on national TV I have chosen to be skeptical. I pray for her lost, and she was in a dangerous waterway. Sorta rings of the border kids in Iran. So, until concrete proof is provided on the real killer I will hope she is telling the truth.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 6, 2010 at 11:25pmThis story was wack from day one.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:37amwouldnt want to think that you can‘t go for a boat ride and don’t want to think the woman was involved. we will have to wait and see and investigate it. I do wonder what the motive of pirates may have been? target practice? that part does not add up, but then some of the horrible news coming from mexico does not seem rational either
Report Post »MisterPresident
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:48amInnocent until proven guilty.
Report Post »Zing
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:56amHaving grown up in the area sadly the violence does fit in. Is she using the local violence as an excuse to murder her husband? Anything is possible. There has been an escalation in violence recently and previous bandit activity on the lake by men well armed and in numbers. This I know from grade school matches the MO. Bad people like to hit in large numbers because they are cowards. I almost got shot once while out dove hunting because some Mexicans decided to get drunk and start shooting shotguns at butterflies. There are a good number of really wonderful Mexican people in America and then there are some really big scumbags. Same for every color and creed under the sun. It was common when I was a kid that Mexican bandits would pretend to break down on the side of the road only to get a good samaritan to pull over to help and just lose their car and wallet if they were lucky. Sad but true. You didn’t want to break down there because the good people were afraid to stop and the bad people would take advantage of your situation.
BeckFan1964
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:01amMister, she is only innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This is not a court of law. Just sayin’.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:09amAt least one American witness on shore saw the boats chasing her. How did she arrange that?
It is fair to ask questions, but its not appropriate to speculate without SOME evidence.
Report Post »Freelancer
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:37amI would really like to give this woman the benefit of the doubt, but after watching a number of interviews with her and noticing that she has changed her story a few times, I have to agree with you. My spidey sense is tingling just like Chris Matthews’ leg…. I was in law enforcement for 28 years and she comes across as very questionable at best and I would be willing to bet that she is involved in some way with his death – unless this is just a setup for a lucrative movie deal after he is miraculously found alive with a flesh wound to his head in the very near future….
Unfortunately, things are not always what they seem. Take for instance the deputy that reportedly was involved in a running gun battle in Arizona last month. It was taken for granted that the story was true but after scrutinizing the photographic evidence of his gunshot wound, experts say that his claim to have been shot from 25 yards away doesn’t match the evidence that clearly shows powder burns indicating the shot was just inches away. The supposition is that he shot himself for a variety of reasons.
It’s sad, but true any more that everything needs too be questioned. Hell, the B.P. fund is rife with bogus claims outnumbering legit claims. People are capable of anything and it’s just getting worse. Glenn is right – we need to return to God…. So many people have so few morals and will do anything for cash or fame.
Report Post »MicheleinLoveland
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 3:05amYes I know speculation without evidence is what most people are writting, but why should we not give ceedance to our gut feelings and good common sense. From the very beginning something about this story just did not add up. First, the sound of her voice. This woman had just witnessed her husband being brutally murdered and yet her voice was whinny like a lttle girl who just got caught doing something wrong. There was absolutely no trmbling in her voice. Why? Her tears and emotions seemed artificial and contrived. Why did they not rape and kill her, the only witness? Just does not add up.
Report Post »MicheleinLoveland
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 3:22amEveryone is in such a hurry to pile on the Mexican locals because of the storm over illegal immigration and the drug cartels that no one is looking very losely at the several interviews this woman has given so far. As is typical with someone who is spinning a yarn to cover up something, each time she speaks there is just the slightest little detail added to make the story sound more credible. The trouble is some of these little details conflict with each other when you really think about it. Let us proceed with caution but not abandoning all good common sense.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 5:49amIf she is a liar, she is a very good liar. If she is a good liar, her family would already know that and someone in the family would speak to that.
Report Post »Conservachic
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 6:06amI understand/agree with the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ — but I got that same tingly feeling that..something isn’t right. If I’d lost my husband that recent, I wouldn’t be on all the news channels..for one thing. I’m just going to wait & see…but…I keep having these caution flags going up. Mannnnnn…..I hope I’m so wrong.
dpselfe
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 7:07amWas the “Wickety wack”…..or just the regular kind? Yeah, something smells in this. Time to follow the money and see who makes out the richest at the end of all this. Third party hit job perhaps?
Report Post »siege
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 8:47amI think if she was lying she would have come up with bogus descriptions of the pirates. I think it adds credence to her story that she can’t remember what they looked like.
Report Post »JKN
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:08amBuild the fence!!
Report Post »casseopea42
Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:55pmIf this is fake wouldn’t it behoove the Mexicans to find the body? They could show the world how mistreated they are and the terrible Americans who blame them etc etc etc. Showing some cooperation and finding this body would go a long way to helping their cause.
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