SWAT Video Captures Officers Firing 71 Times on Former Marine
- Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:10am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Questions of excessive force are once again being raised, this time in Tucson, Arizona after a SWAT team fired over 70 times at a 26-year-old former Marine during a drug raid that has yet to turn up any evidence against the now deceased soldier. Questions are also being raised after the SWAT team changed its story, first saying that Jose Guerena had fired on them, but later retracing that. A new report says Guerena’s gun was never fired and never taken off safety. And now, video from the team shows the deadly raid:
KGUN-TV explains what happened the morning of May 5:
As the SWAT team prepares to serve their search warrant on Jose Guerena’s home one of the first things they do is turn on their sirens. After eight seconds the siren is turned off and we hear the team announce their presence.
“Police, search warrant open the door,” an officer screams on the audio file.
Moments later the door is busted open. The video shows officers start entering the home when shots ring out for a full seven seconds nonstop. An officer is seen falling out of the doorway as the shooting stops.
The team backs out of the house, unknowing they had struck the suspect. They use their PA system to call out to anyone in the home.
“This is the Pima County Sheriff’s Department we need you to come to the front door with your hands up.”
Five minutes after SWAT arrives, evacuations of the neighborhood get underway. In the audio it’s clear the team begins to regroup.
“Everybody relax at this point. Whoever was up at the door, do a quick check of each other to make sure we‘re covered and we’re good. Make sure no one has got holes in them ok,” an officer said.
According to the Daily Mail, the officers originally claimed Guerena fired on them. But a police report later found that to be false:
A police investigation revealed that officers fired more than 70 shots.
Deputies said they opened fire after Guerena, 26, gestured at them with an AR-15, according to the report.
Some of the officers said they believed that Guerena fired on them, but the investigation showed that no shots were fired from the weapon and it was never taken off the safety position.
Police allege that the former Marine was involved in drug smuggling, robbery and human smuggling.
But a search of the home found nothing illegal. Officers found a handgun and body armour in the house.
The five SWAT team members remain on active duty. No criminal charges have been filed and no disciplinary action taken.
Mr Guerena’s wife, Vanessa, said she heard her husband moaning as he lay dying, his body struck by 22 of the bullets.
Ms Guerena told ABC News: ‘I saw his stomach, all the blood on the floor’.
She said her goal now is to ‘clear his good name’. Ms Guerena said their son Joel keeps asking about his deceased father, ‘Is he a bad guy?’
“In your opinion, is this now cut and dry once you see the video?” KGUN9 asked. “Yeah, you watch the video and clearly you hear sirens, you see them (SWAT) approach, you see them knock and announce several times. Clearly, anyone in the area will know police were there,” explained SWAT lawyer Mike Storie.
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And, lots of them, SWAT admits to firing 71 shots in just seven seconds. After the shooting, the Pima County Sheriff‘s Department Lieutenant Michael O’Connor explained that number of shots, “They’re going to fire until the threat is over. (SWAT) fired in seven seconds.”
And, Storie told us there was a threat; a gun pointed right at them. The deputy to the right of the shielder, Storie said, saw it first, “The person above his right shoulder will be the first one who is looking down the hallway who will see the gun turning the corner and being raised towards them.”
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pork eating crusader
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:47amsuicide by cop. he knew who it was, come on…….point a gun at a cop or me get shot. simple
Report Post »sethlevy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:53amBefore you slander this guy, read all the evidence. The guy was sleeping (midnight shift) and woke up to armed men in his house soon after his cousin was murdered by a hit squad in a similar fashion. Read this for more info: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html
Report Post »David286 - FL
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:46pmThe Sheriffs Office story has changed multiple times and have lied about almost everything that happened.
Report Post »Entropy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 6:40pmOf course there is going to be totally indoctrinated pro govt folks saying that the cops can murder anybody that they choose to. That is what indoctrination is all about-being brainwashed to think that anything the govt does to the citizens is OK.
Report Post »dynamohumm
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:01pm.If it ‘s that simple…why 5 different stories ?
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:08pmWhy did they stop shooting?
I think it was racially motivated. If this Marine were black this would never had happen. This would not have been allowed in Iraq or Afghanistan but in America its OK. We are really at war with our own Federal Government.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:46amThis is awful especially for the wife and a now fatherless child. Hopefully the truth comes out but I am tired of the shoot 1st ask questions later policy on warrants these days. Prayers for the family, the officers involved and restoration of our 4th ammendment rights. Whatever happened to those flash grenades and smoke bombs they throw thru windows to dissorient people. Would have saved a life here
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:45amThey would have to fire just about as much to bring down this former Marine.
Report Post »L0WRYDER
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:36amTo Hell you say former Marine!!! Once a MARINE All WAYS A MARINE
Report Post »simple thought
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:43amwas he a registered republican??????
Report Post »isn‘t this the way sheriff dupnick treats anyone who isn’t a democrat…
sad that the law considers you guilty before they have any real evidence….
Tacitus42
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:40amsounded like a car alarm cmon!! no evidence found !!!! oopps ?? Just like at Waco ,leave the warrant in the truck start shooting, Bloody bastards.This Is Az home invasions abound someone pounds on my door like that im grabbing my rifle ALSO.
Report Post »Baron_Doom
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:37amThat entire video, from the time they dismounted the vehicle to the time they fired 70+ shots through the front doorway, took less than a minute. How much time did they give this poor kid to answer the door in that time before they broke it down?
Report Post »Mahakala
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:46amHe shouldn’t have armed himself
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:05pmExactly, I generally tend to not point guns at SWAT officers because this exact thing will happen. When he was deployed and people were pointing guns at him he would have had to do the same thing.
Report Post »Farlo_md
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:39pm@Mahakala: That’s sheep-speak. Arming yourself in response to violent home invasion is precisely the right thing to do.
They should had the exits covered and the perimeter secure. Why not start with a sheriff’s deputy knocking on the door and having an adult conversation before jumping straight to door-kicking and small arms? At best, this is a serious screw-up. Whomever was responsible for handling this operation needs their hides tacked to the wall.
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:07pm@Farlo
That’s not Sheep-Speak at all. If you know the police are about to bust the door open, DON’T PICK UP AN ASSAULT RIFLE. I would have dropped to the ground and sued their pants off after it was all said and done. Then his kid would still have a dad.
Report Post »Farlo_md
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:45pm@conversationcanwork: Your alias is right on. This guy’s kids would still have a father if, instead of door-kicking, the police would have simply knocked on his door and asked to speak with him. Guerena was asleep when these guys decided to kick his door down. He worked nights. It is perfectly reasonable to expect someone to arm themselves after having their front door kicked in with little-to-no notice. I have read multiple stories on this and I don’t see any evidence the police involved made a meaningful effort to contact Guerena and identify themselves. The police initiated violence by forcibly entering Guerena’s home. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if they had simple secured the perimeter and peaceably established contact with Guerena.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:34pm@Mahakala and ConversationCanWork
So, in other words, you’re basically saying that Jose Geurena should have just allowed the SWAT Team to break through his home and not defend himself from that violent, unjustifiable home invasion? Farlo MD is absolutely correct here, those are words of a sheep that you’re using. Even if Jose didn’t reach for his firearm, the outcome would be the same – a body dotted with bullet holes.
Report Post »Mahakala
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:36amThe police did everything by the book. Moral of story. Don’t point a gun at the police doing a search warrant. Once the rifle was brought into play by the suspect, someone was going to die.
Report Post »simple thought
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:46amhow do you know the gun was pointed at anyone, the cops already have changed there story multipal times,,,,,,,,this is a case of police murder/exacution
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:54amdo you really think it was that simple ? ..was he running a huge crackhouse that was an immeadiate threat ? ..look around at the neighborhood and time of day ? they were just looking ?there were no warrents ? Why didnt they pick him up during a traffic stop or when he walked out to get some milk ? Is this how it starts ? …..this is not a well run SWAT . May the lord have mercy on our Nation ….
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:58am“Once the rifle was brought into play by the suspect, someone was going to die.”
Well, it wasn’t going to be the police, since the Marine was actually trained on weapons use, use of force, target identification, etc. This was why the Marine’s rifle was still on safe.
Report Post »madhornet
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:09pmI agree, well said from mahakala, it seems as though the big shots in charge of this and other operations already have their minds made up. there protocal is set. what bothers me is why they can’t talk at someone. reason with the person for a few seconds. or minutes. who knows, maybe if those by the door didn’t start shooting the kid could have tossed a gernade at them? i don’t like seeing action like this going down. However the guy was no good if he was commiting these crimes. A former marine and human smuggling? that’s not good. that is not protecting citizens against all enemies foreign and domestic. He has issues or had issues. Now he has an issue that never will go away.
Report Post »Baron_Doom
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:12pmYou’re ASSUMING he pointed a gun at them. If you read the article, after an investigation, there was no AR-14 style weapon found, only a pistol and some body armor which anyone who has ever served in the military would own. This is nothing out of the ordinary. They didn’t find a gun on his person, either… just 22 bullet holes.
Report Post »Max Power 1
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:10pmThe book is wrong. If someone breaks down your door, (LE or not), you have a right & a responsibility to defend your home. In your home, you have a right to point a firearm at anyone, at any time, should you feel the need. The fact that the Marine didn’t get any rounds off, proves the cops were wrong in firing. People, the police cannot just kick down doors & shoot “suspects” without being fired upon FIRST.
Report Post »southernORcobra
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:36amOutrageuos they should be in jail! Thats California where the cops are more crooked then the criminals. This is the Gestapo in action!
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:53pm@SouthernorCobra
Ditto on the Gestapo part.
Report Post »ED4237
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:34amMakes you wonder if they got the right address. This is why this stupid drug war kills more people than the drugs do. I would say that this is definately way to much force and there is no drugs or even evidence of a crime.
Report Post »Mikhail Kennedy
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 7:30amWas watching Stossel or Freedom Watch some time back, Happens all the time where the cops come in and shoot, killing pets, scaring children only to find that they have the wrong address. Of course nothing is done to the police when they are at fault.
Report Post »Sam Brown
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:33amThey could have arrested him peacefully outside his home the next day. More practice for another Waco??
Report Post »moonpeace
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:33amMy cousin is a member of the team involved in the raid. According to him, the suspect reahed for an assault rife and then the shots rang out…many of the shots were without aim, just shooting randomly into the house.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:55pmOk, I’ll try it this way.
Conducting a breach requires commitment to purpose, what you see in this video is a lack of commitment.
The entire element (the COPs) stall at the breach point and set themselves up as multiple targets this is known as the fatal funnel the dangerous area where the assaulter is silhouetted against his own entry point from the perspective of defenders inside the room.
Again by the video this is exactly what happened, this is common with untrained people who have no commitment to the elements of CQB.
Surprise, speed and violence of action, Had this SWAT tm committed to the breach there is little doubt this man would still be alive, along with all the cops.
Report Post »ThreeDogg
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 11:37pm@ RTLW: you took the words right of my mouth! I would add that, the number of shot fired is not at all unusual and for good reason: multiple officers are seeing the same threat and reacting at the same time. Example: if five officers see the same threat and engage, each firing 10 times, then 50 shots being fired. If only 50% of those shots hit their intended target, then you have a threat that has been hit 25 times, yet the public can’t seem to do the basic math on this and instead, cries excessive force. You NEVER shoot to wound, only kill. The supreme court has ruled that the deployment of SWAT in and of itself is considered use of deadly force. An operator (or any cop) isn’t going to wait around for the subject to point a gun at them. If the subject even has one in their hand, then it’s lights out for them. Lastly, let‘s not forget that it’s the investigators who obtained the warrant. It’s the job of SWAT to execute it. They are told who and what to look for and must rely on the accuracy and integrity of the investigators findings when executing the warrant. Nearly all drug related warrants are considered high-risk due to the high probability that the subject will have weapons. A nice polite knock at the door is not an option: speed, surprise and violence of action is SOP for this. Go to: http://lcpubw04.lanecounty.org/information/yourlanevideos/LaneCountyDistrictAttorney_and_LawEnforcementAgencies.wmv & http://www.forcescience.org/index.html for info.
Report Post »65802
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:32amIs this my country? Is this where we have wound up? Give just a bit more freedom for security? Pretty soon this will be the norm. The government can listen in on your conversations, read your e-mail, get into your bank account, look through your home with imaging devices and do whatever they want and grope you and your children at the airport.. And this is all in the name of security. Welcome to the Third Reich, I suppose I’ll be getting my yellow star soon.
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:32amIts obvious that we are not heading towards a police state… we are already there. They justify their murders as “standard operating procedure”. They close ranks to cover guilty officers, If any good officers remain, they are intimidated by the others to remain silent. But, defend yourself or your family and kill one of these JBTs and you are charged with capitol murder of a police officer!
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:43pm@JezCruzen
Having watched a few videos showing visible instances of police brutality on earlier articles, particularly the IHOP video featuring a pair of police officers, one of them being heavyset, overpowering two innocent women, I affirm your statement without a contest.
Report Post »Billsocal
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:31amJose Guerena was set up. Some one want him dead. There needs to be a investigation into what he did in the Marine Corp and what type of operation he was on.There should be a major investigation into where the police got information for this raid. Something does smell right about this.
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:47amgeez………………………………………………………………….
Report Post »hud
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:47pmBill, you need to get right on this, your book will be an important revelation to the future of our nation.
Report Post »Bullwinkle
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:35pmWhere is Holder? Considering this Marine’s name this MUST have racial motivation! I also wonder if our fearless reader believes that the police “acted stupidly” in this case.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:30amSeems like there would have been another way.
Report Post »Entropy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:48pmYou have to understand something. The criminal politicians do not want “ex-military guys” running around loose. They have the capability to organize a resistance force and therefore must be eliminated at the slightest provocation. So they send 30-40 goons in body armour to do their dirty work. And the badged goons lap it up like a dog laps up its own puke. Disgusting.
Report Post »Sam Brown
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:28amI bet it makes these guys just proud to be an American that they shot an ex marine who had two tours of duty protecting us. Way to go guys, now just see how many lies it takes to justifie your actions.
Sam
Report Post »Entropy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:45pmI am in total agreement with you Sam. They are probably slapping each other on the back saying stuff like “did you see the look on his face when I shot him in the balls 5 times, pretty cool huh?”. What a despicable bunch of goons. Only in in for the pension and the benefits. They do not give a damn about the people.
Report Post »sacrificeforkids
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:27amWith all the damn gun battles just over the border, the lack of our Governments Constitutional Obligation to ””””’To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;’”"”" ( Article # 1 , Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States of America..).. Do you really believe the current and past Administrations have enforced this Constitutional Requirement…..
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:25amI think it was more than excessive. I would say Military Force was not needed for this arrest. Is this one of the practice runs for our new Civilian Military!!!
Report Post »SkunkWorks
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:01pmDidn’t Barry already mention that?
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:20pmThe most dangerous people in America are for the most part its most law abiding, the Veterans. I truly want to know the final outcome of this shooting, if this man was involved in criminal activity so be it, but if not this entire PD should be closed down.
Report Post »Drum Man
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:24amMarine or not, he should not have been involved in that type of activity. But c’mon Tucson… 70 shots?
Report Post »Excessive for sure.
NSDQ
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:26amThey found NO evidence, all they had were reports saying he was involved. Innocent to proven guilty.
Report Post »adouglass1
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:37pmNo it seems to be guilty until proven Innocent!!
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:40pmWonder about the sound bite at 16-19 seconds in of: bang, bang, bang, bang………before they broke in the door!! DO NOT like the no drugs, no evidence! Seems to me, if a former Marine had a gun in his hands at all he would certainly take the safety off…..otherwise why pick it up in the face of force??? Too much adrenaline??????????? When that first shot was fired, it was chain reaction…..Sad Outcome!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:54pmGangs with badges.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TUUDedT49k
proliance
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:24pmWhat type of activity is that?
Report Post »ares338
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:22amNational Security probably.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:48amPatroit Act …
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:00pmNot a real brilliant plan, hope this ****** off all Marines. As a family member of 3 Marines, I can assure them. It can be compared to messing with a Grizzly Bear using a twig. You might poke the bear in the eye with your twig, but then it starts. These mental morons, do not want to start shooting Marines. Could be Hell to pay. What they did shows they are scared of them, rush in somone farts, the shooting starts.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:21amThey aren’t protected under the Castle Law.
They come kicking in doors without warrant, they’re getting shot.
4th Amendment is gone.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:42amThe Changing Face of the Police and the Death of the Fourth Amendment
Report Post »http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=712
publicuss
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:24pmNM Section 30-2-7, Printed out and posted on my fence some time ago, a couple others wanted copies and they put it up on their fences… neighbourhood became a lot more quiet. Guess the local tuffs decided to play that loud bass someplace else and have not had any ‘problems’ since 2003, knock wood… Cops asked me about the poster one day at the local diner, told ‘em we were providing a public service. Never questioned about it again. They took note of my openly carried sidearm and that of the others in the diner that were also armed. An armed society is a most polite society.
Report Post »-AK, AZ, WY right to carry states, NM is open carry/Concealed carry w/permit. All the states need to adopt constitutional right to carry.
-The FBI released its Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report for 2010, showing a decrease of 5.5 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to its attention in 2010 compared to the previous year.
Why the decrease? Could it have something to do with the largest surge in firearms sales from late 2008 into 2010 in US history?!!? An est. 12 MILLION weapons were sold to citizens, 12,000,000…
-The sheep are arming, why?!?
-With 6 million unemployed to exhaust benefits this year, time to pay attention to your surroundings and the people around you.
hud
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:42pmYou thought they’d be in brown, they fooled ya
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:58pmThe sheeps are arming because the sheepdogs are biting them and starting to eat them and transforming into wolves.
Report Post »betterthantv
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:46pmWell MACE, once again you have dominated the conversation and come out on top. I’m starting to like you. You’ve proven that you actually know what you speak about. Which is more than I can say for most of the twits on here. Keep it up. This forum needs more intelligence!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 5:07pmThe sheep need to grow horns of a ram and start to butt these sheepdogs and bulls on all sides until they are destroyed.
thx Betterthantv
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:18pmthe Patriot act in Motion……
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:19amLook at these Nazis.
LOOK AT THEM!
This is what they’re coming to do to you, to remove you from your firearms.
Abolish the TSA/Police.
Report Post »Swordsmansmith
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:30amThese officers should be fired and charged accordingly but again Mace with your bias to all authority. Who will stop the rral criminals with no police. Our society would rip itself apart without someone to enforce the law.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:31amAgreed!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:35amSwordsmansmith
WE ARE THE POLICE.
We have all the power they have, they just coordinate to exercize the rights we all have, and then turn around and coordinate to restrict you from exercizing the same rights.
We have the right to bear arms, openly.
We have the right to make citizen’s arrest.
We have the right of self-defense with a deadly weapon.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:36amJesus Christ, we don’t need the Police!
Police Brutality is KILLING US.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:38amThis isn’t a “bias” towards all authority.
THEY ARE NOT OUR AUTHORITY!
THE WORD OF LAW IS THE AUTHORITY!
THEY ARE OUR SERVANTS!
Chaos WOULD NOT ENSUE if we all decided to start carrying our own firearms openly nationwide and abolished the police.
Crime would DECREASE. Security would INCREASE.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:41amI agree with Sinista. As for who would control society… uh.. here is a thought for your brain-washed, dependent, mind.. WE THE PEOPLE. People commit crimes because they think the mass are unarmed and cannot stop them. I don’t need government to hold my hand.
Report Post »Swordsmansmith
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:11pmPrime Directives
Report Post »1. Serve the public trust
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law
Anyone know what this is from? This cop wouldnt have madeany mistakes.
EJ1979
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:40pmI think everyone is missing the point, swat showed up armed and ready to go, not a couple cops with a warrant. Probable cause didn’t lead them to my house, or to the little old lady down the street, the marine was wrapped up in something, or we wouldn’t even be reading the story.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:52pmWith you sinista,The TRUTH will set us all free!!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:14pmOne crucial point is that law enforcement is now using SWAT MURDER TEAMS to serve warrants for people who have no history of crime!
They could try this because you have an outstanding traffic ticket!
They did this because he is a former marine and may have a firearm!
That encompasses 90% of the country! We’re all armed!
Report Post »hud
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:39pmSecret Service should be defunded and abolished.
Report Post »arx
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:10pmI agree with Sinista so far as the police presence in this country, which is about 20x what it should be. If the country had a population that was as self reliant and free as it used to be, criminal activity would be nothing compared to what it is now….because criminals would know their a.s.s would be shot or hung from the nearest tree if they tried and BS. Now we have a population of lilly livered sheep, dependent upon Big Daddy Gov’t to take care of their every need, including security.
Report Post »Entropy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:55pm@Swordsman
Report Post »We would do just fine without the militarized nazi swat teams and all cops for that matter. Then, it would be the CITIZENS who take out the trash. I guarantee you crime rates would plummet. What we have in this country is a bunch of armed thugs terrorizing the populace so that the criminal politicians can do whatever they want with us. It is all a racket to get our money and to keep us in fear. When the SHTF, the coward cops will be confronted by our military.We will see how tough they are when that happens. Right now , cops have been conditioned to despise former military, and to consider them terrorists.
donh2
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:09pmI would like to know if any of those SWAT members are palistinians or muslim immigrants from Iraq / Afganistan.
Report Post »IAMINFORMED
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:07pmI agree. Another LEGALIZED MAFIA at work. Another “suspect” killed over what, marijuana? WHO CARES! Stop spending billions on drug wars. It doesn’t work, will never work. Stop killing people illegally. According to my 2nd amendment right, I have the right to shoot back. They should not have entered the premesis according to our 4th amendment right. I want these guys arrested for murder. Plain and simple. We need to do away with with the DEA, and city/state police and put guns back into the communities hands and let them police themselves. If these idiots had read the constitution and “enforced” it, this guy would still be alive and innocent until proven guilty.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:22pmwho tf even asks the question, “who would control society” ? dumb…
Report Post »Please-sir-I-want-some-more
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:19amWe can se this but we can see any videos of OBL being killed? Our Country is F@#$ed
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:47amDon‘t forget they won’t show the video of 9/11 either .. to “disturbing” to see terrorists kill citizens.
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:15amThats BullS*&T 1 CS grenade or flashbang is all they needed, Hell yeah excessive
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:24amIt makes you question those took an oath to the Constitution and this nation. If they react so excessive as shown here during “peacetime what will they do WHEN the SHTF?!!! Makes you wonder doesnt it.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:26amyes, excessive.
We have a SCORCHED EARTH policy now for SUSPECTED drug dealers / SUSPECTED coyotes?
The warrant is for a SEARCH, not for killing.
Is this that all-important intelligence we get from The “patriot” Act? This is the high quality intel for which we had to sacrifice our God-Given, Inalienable rights?
Report Post »RugerHoyt
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:26amIm with you on this one. 71 rounds of ammo fired, striking the man 22 times? It could of all been done with stun grenade. That would of also given the SWAT team time to asses the threat completely, instead of just pumping him full of lead…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:27amThis is beyond excessive. Could the fed’s be trying to send a message of some kind, other than the one of ‘we are out of control’?
Report Post »Bullwinkle
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:27pmIt seems “excessive” is only in order when it’s border patrol agents and an illegal with a van full of grass. Wound him, in self defense, and you go to jail. There certainly seems to be a pattern emerging doesn’t there?
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:35pmThe more I look into this story, the more it makes me sick to my stomach. I have a relative in Tucson who owns a gun because of the home invasions. It’s must have been so frightening for the wife, who lost family to a home invasion, when she feared it was happening to them. Her husband was just trying to protect his family. The SWAT team made a horrible mistake.
Report Post »jcannon98188
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:45pm“The warrant is for a SEARCH, not for killing.”
So If they went in there, and he started shooting, they should have called the AG and requested a warrant for his death to be sent over? Righttttttt.
It may be constitutional to have a gun, but it IS against the law to point it at an officer. Because just as you have a right to own a gun, so do they.
Honestly people, you act like you OWN the property here. News flash, you don’t. You own the right to be on it, but you do not actually OWN the land, it belongs to the Government of the United States. Get over it.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:27amIf you smash my door down I would have a gun in my hand too
Report Post »It is my house!!!!!!!!!!
This is murder!!!!!
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:24amThis is very sad…Remember that “Patriot” Act and the extensions just passed, well, this is related…
Yes, any law enforcement was suppose to notify the individual/household a search and or seizure warrant is being enforced. If the door is not opened and suspect is inside knowingly not abiding to such warrants, law enforcement can use a forceable entry.
Due to the Progression in the mindset of Government and people, all law breakers are pretty much considered terrorists. Thus the reason SWAT is sent to execute the warrant.
This is what happens when you give Government to much power. Government uses it on you.
Supreme court case King vs Kentucky (8-1 ruling) is the case which curtailed the 4th amendment allowing law enforcement to break into any house, warrant or not, based on reasonable cause of entry. If a law enforcement officer smells drugs, hears scurrying, etc they can break in. In a similar case of Indiana Supreme Court, the State Court ruled in favor as well, siting the Peoples ability to sue Government agencies would lesson officers to break in unless really needed…BS
We have lost a lot of our Liberty and it continues slowly everyday..QUIT voting Progressives (left or right) into office…Wake up!
Report Post »arx
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:06pmjcannon…he didn‘t ’start shooting’, in fact the safety was still on. And the government owns all land? You’re a moron. Look in the mirror and see the reason our country is going down the toilet.
Report Post »nacilbuper
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:14amDamn!
Report Post »Cptnjarhead
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:20amwas this an Obama operation?
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:25amThe Changing Face of the Police and the Death of the Fourth Amendment
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:26amSomeone overeacted, and a tradgedy has occured that will have reprecussions across the board; the Fed’s acted in extreme bad judgment now, and trying to cover it up from the beginning is pathetic and pure typical for their actions…this should go in the books like the slaughter of Ruby Ridge where the fed’s killed the guys boy, wife and dog who were unarmed.
Seven seconds of non stop firing into a man is overkill and murder, pure and simple.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:26amIf we do not stand this will be the norm.
Report Post »chirodoc007
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:27amWould love to have evidence of what the officers saw inside the house. My guess is that they had a history that included “Ex-Marine”, “drug smuggler”, and “human trafficker”. They had to be on edge approaching the house. If the Marine was holding the weapon when they broke the door in it could take less than a second to be fired upon. The officers’ state of mind has to come into effect.
If Police show up at your house DO NOT greet them at the door with a weapon.
Report Post »meamerican
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:27amThey just want to shoot people, they don’t care about your rights. Look how the little guy runs up and starts blind firing his pistol into the house. The SWAT team is no more then an execution squad.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:33amIf the police show up at your door to take your weapons, give it to them, one bullet at a time.
V for Victory Against the Police State.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:35amOver-reaction, but I can completely see why it might happen. You don’t answer the door to the police while holding an assault rifle. That assumes, of course, that the report is factual; they did already fudge the part about shots being fired.
I’m kinda surprised to see the hate against police here. I guess I expected to see people be supportive. Maybe it was the “former marine” label. If the title said “accused drug smuggler armed with assault rifle” I feel the reactions would be completely the opposite.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:36amThey have brainwashed these guys to thin k we are the enemy.
Report Post »SgtBarrett
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:38am(If Police show up at your house DO NOT greet them at the door with a weapon.)
Really? Why not? It’s not their house. They do not have a right to enter the house until they have served the warrant. Breaking the down in and then serving the warrant is the norm now. The fact they found absolutely no evidence of any criminal activity just means they haven’t had a chance to plant evidence and cover their mistakes.
Police are humans. Frail, corruptible, just like the rest of us, and the founders knew that and wrote certain rules for them not to break called the Constitution and Amendments.
Stupid, idiot, lazy Americans give the police way too much power to invade their lives at the whim of the police. All so the regular citizen can go on being lazy and feel safe, even though he is never truly safe. Wake up people. See wrong doing when its staring you in the face and don’t make excuses for it.
Report Post »PrfctlyFrank
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:39amAnother success story for the “War on Drugs.” This is out of control.. Here in Portlandia the Police are feared.. They have a reputation for shooting first and asking questions, well, never.. They’ve killed several times, unarmed, and in some instances, non threatening, citizens, and are yet to be held accountable.. One victim, a 16 year old, drunk, standing in front of his parents home, armed with a 3 inch pocketknife.. He walked toward the front door of his home after police shouted for him to get down, and they killed him.. His Mother had called the po-po‘s to come calm him down saying he’d been drinking and was beligerent.. They calmed him way down.. His poor Mother was on the news saying, “He just needed help. Why’d they have to kill him?” Good question..
Report Post »Cerealface
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:41amGuilty until proven innocent.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:42amHow do we know why they were really there?
These Nazi thugs are serving secret arrests to a lot of people right now, and hauling them off to FEMA CAMPS, while portraying it in the media as “drug dealers” or “armed vets holding guns”.
I don’t believe a single lying word that they say.
THEY’RE PURE EVIL.
AND THEY’RE COMING FOR YOU TOO IF YOU ARE AGAINST THIS NAZI POLICE STATE.
You mark my words.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:45amPatroit act anyone?
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:46amI saw the details of this on another site. Something is seriously wrong here.
I like to see more verification than is currently available to me before I offer an opinion, but something is seriously wrong with this story.
Note to Blaze journalists. Chase this one down.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:46amLocked, as usual your lame attempt to disparage the other posters is off base, I see no “hate” for the the police here. People have the right to question the story. If you believe everything the government tells you, you have your head in the sand.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:47amThe farce called the “War on Drugs” was what started this POLICE STATE, the entire premise is based on the idea that man is an ANIMAL (Read the book “Ecoscience” by White House Science Czar John P. Holdren) to be controlled by these superior elite douchebags of pus.
This is why I SMOKE KUSH DAILY!
YEAH YOU NAZI POLICE STATE THUGS CAN’T STOP ME EITHER!
Ron Paul REVOLUTION 2012
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:48amThere is something hinky about this story. First there were drugs, then there were none. First there was human smuggling, then there was none. First there were stolen goods, then there were none. First there were shots fired, there there wasn’t. This is the “throw a bunch of sh*t against the wall and see what will stick” defense.
I am very pro-police but I want to see the their SWAT cams. I sincerely doubt Jose Guerena ever pointed his weapon in their direction.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:48am“Patroit act anyone?”
Not sure what that is. I don’t think the PATRIOT Act has anything to do with this, though. Unless having his phone tapped was what led to this?
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:50amThese arent Warriors,just cowards with guns!
Report Post »“Come out and fight you cowards,It is a good day to die!”
mossbrain
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:50amThose of you who blame Obama for this are dumb as rocks.
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:51amThis group of police officers may have overreacted but I don’t believe this to be the norm. We do not live in a police state – not yet anyways.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:01pmSNOW, “unknowing that they had struck the suspect”. They could have hit his wife or son firing that many rounds and not knowing where they were going. Too bad they weren’t that aggresive with the psycho that shot Gabby Giffords, would have saved the tax payers alot of money.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:04pmWHERE is chatty kathy Clarence Doobcheck ON this raid?
Report Post »He certainly was quick to grab a microphone over the Giffords shooting
Ari Ben TZion
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:05pm“Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on.”
- Robert Kennedy
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:06pmIs this the same lying POS sheriff, who would not shut up after the Loughner shootings?.
Report Post »Mr. Civility? Let’s see what he has to say, now.
conversationcanwork
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:07pmHey, how about people stop pointing guns at police officers? This guy would still be alive if he wasn’t holding an Assault Rifle.
Report Post »NES
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:18pmIt’s a common mistake, but “marine” and “soldier” are not interchangeable.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:19pm@Gonzo
“I see no “hate” for the the police here.”
Uh…
“THEY’RE PURE EVIL.
AND THEY’RE COMING FOR YOU TOO IF YOU ARE AGAINST THIS NAZI POLICE STATE.”
was two posts before yours. Or
“The SWAT team is no more then an execution squad.“ or the link to ”The Changing Face of the Police and the Death of the Fourth Amendment.” Or a comment further down,
“Its obvious that we are not heading towards a police state… we are already there. They justify their murders as “standard operating procedure”.”
Sure man, no hate against the police here (rolls eyes)
Report Post »ProgressivesLoveAmerica
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:21pmPolice State initiatives in this country are out of control.
30 plus years of over-investment in the police state through a phony “War-On-Drugs“ and unthinking campaigns of ”getting tough on crime” have led to this. Unfortunately, there’s no end in sight because of how much money there is to be made in arresting & incarcerating people in the long-term.
The vast scale of the expanding “crime control industry” has attracted the attention of finance and industry, who welcome it as another form of state intervention in the economy, a Keynesian stimulus that may soon approach the Pentagon system in scale, some estimate. “Businesses Cash In,” the Wall Street Journal reports, including the construction industry, law firms, the booming private prison complex, and “the loftiest names in finance” such as Goldman Sachs, Prudential, and others, “competing to underwrite prison construction with private, tax-exempt bonds.“ Also standing in line is the ”defense establishment,… scenting a new line of business” in high-tech surveillance and control systems of a sort that Big Brother would have admired. The industry also offers new opportunities for corporate use of prison labor.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:23pmAIM a weapon at Law Enforcement, YOU DIE…
Don’t care if Safety is ON or it is a toy GUN…
Was this guy DEAF?? Good Call !!!!!
Come On People !!.
Report Post »jjack
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:26pmObama and the elite are slowly but surely turning this once great nation into a police state. You don’t believe the patriot act is really about terrorism do you. Why do our armed forces have to wait to be fired upon by foreigners but u,s. citizens you so as look at them funny they turn your ass into swiss cheese. WAKE UP AND END THIS NEO-CON/PROGRESSIVE ********. RON PAUL 2012 !!!
Report Post »donh2
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:40pmIf our Marines behaved this way in Iraq, they would be put on trial for murder. The police should not be held to any lower standard.
Report Post »vidyohs
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:45pmNo justification for this crap in any way shape or form. Personally I think those SWAT teams go in hoping for a chance to do combat.
2 things: Am I the only one that listened to the sound track and just as the siren goes off and the door knocking begins, there is a faint voice saying “bang bang bang bang” that could only have come from the man wearing the camera or someone very close to him?
2nd thing: They shoot until they know the threat is over, fired 71 times and only hit the target 22 times? Where did the rest of the rounds go? Who else in the house was threatened with bodily harm or death due this reckless gang banging? The inside of any modern home has no resistance to a rifle bullet at all, you can shoot right through any drywall, even multiple layers of drywall, including some stud as well. It is a miracle that no one else was killed.
This is government run amok.
Report Post »cause420
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:57pmThis shows the police state in its true form… They (the SWAT) can bust down doors, point guns frantically in peoples faces, traumatize people and their children, and judge people as guilty until proven innocent. WAKE UP! We dont have any rights, any more! The hypocritical actions taking by them just go to show you how F’d up our country is… As long as they point the guns at people, and no one points back, its A-OKAY!?!? Was the “AR-15″ even near him? Did they mistake a playstation controller or a remote control for a gun? Its happened before…. =/
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 12:58pmWhat bothers me most is that in my lifetime Swat has gone from being
called in, for hostage/violent situations, to being the NORM for serving an arrest warrant.
They could have simply surrounded the house, and loudspeaker and telephone ordered him to surrender. IF he then chooses not to comply, then go greenlight on his butt.
Report Post »even if he was guilty flushed “evidence” can be retrieved.
Robbery stuff would be in and around, and well human trafficing evidence would be as well.
There was no need.
Given his military training, they are following Big Sis’s assessment that ex-military are a grave threat
to the US. which is utter BS leftist propaganda.
This guy was going no where, it SHOULD have been orchestrated differently.
It will cost the same either way, thousands in time in a holdout situation or millions in a wrongful death suit.
Sherrif brilliant is to blame.
SWAT is for established situations of violence, not normal everyday arrest.
it has taken the 20 years of NYPD blue TV and everything else to aclimate us to it being
the standard.
in most homes, there are guns, the front door getting busted down means invasion
and normal people would go for the gun first if awakened this way.
There will be more blood shed until we sue the police state into submission.
Don’t get me wrong, I am FOR the police in most cases.
the worst I have ever had was traffic tickets by professional people and I was in the wrong.
I have to wonder how many people are killed every y
FuturePresident
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:02pmHave you ever heard of a little thing called murder. Cause whether the cops had the right to be there they murdered that man, no way around it. Police in this country are so babied it is amazing. If i kill their dog i go to jail for being a “cop killer” but if they murder me without me doing anything they get off free with no stipulations. This is BS if i was the atorney general these SWAT team memebers (at least the ones who shot 70 bullets) would be going to jail for at least man slaughter.
Aren’t police here to PROTECT AND SERVE? Not to FINE AND KILL?
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:11pmWhat happened to “innocent until proven guilty”, or “fair trial”? I hope his wife sues for wrongful death if they can’t prove anything against him.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:20pmLOOK AT THIS AGAIN
One of the team is fiddling with the vehicles door and sets off the alarm. Was the warrant for the house or the car? I am pretty sure that part of the element of surprise does not include leaving your sirens off, sneaking to a residence and then setting off a car alarm while the other team members are not aware of your actions.
What would you do?
Report Post »You are sitting at home and your car alarm goes off, people come to your door and you do not know if these are real or fake officers. Do you grab a gun or welcome them in.
After living in AZ it is common for smugglers to find houses of those that are not home and hold many, many people in them. They will take them by force also.
theonefromabove
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:24pmThat looks pretty nuts.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:24pmAri Ben TZion
No, you don’t live in a police state. You live in a state of denial.
conversationcanwork
How about POLICE STOP BRUTALIZING AND MURDERING CITIZENS?!?!HOW ABOUT THAT?
Assault Rifles are legal. The 2nd Amendment includes military grade weaponry.
Locked
Just because I said the Police State Nazis are pure evil doesn’t mean I hate the police officers individually. I hate what they DO. I hate ACTIONS, not people. Get a clue. ***Strawman Failure***
MIBUGNU2
Aim a gun at an armed citizen, you get one aimed back at you.
Report Post »101
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:26pmPolice state: Guilty until proven innocent
Report Post »hud
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:34pmAre they too scared to do the job? Or just homicidal.
Report Post »De minimus
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:37pmSaved from another obviously guilty man. Does it bother no one that this was a blanket search warrant? I’m pretty sure that half a magazine would have been enough. But since I wasn‘t there I don’t know **** about guns or combat.
The verdict on police actions…… JUSTIFIED! As always.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:38pm@Sinista
So you must like Nazis then, correct? As you said police are Nazis. Talk about strawman fail, I didn’t say individual officers; I (and you) said the police. You hate the police… or you like Nazis. It’s one of those, it seems. I‘m not the one who Godwins’ed the thread, haha. If you didn’t like the actions, you’d just condemn their actions, not the entire entity of the police.
Report Post »Grapeknutz
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:39pmAKMIIKEUS….. have you reported for any drug testing lately?
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:51pmLocked
Your strawman ***FAILS*** brother.
I didn’t say I like Nazis. I said I don’t hate people, I hate actions. You can twist that however it satifies your twisted mind.
I hate the actions of the police. I hate the actions of Nazis. They resemble each other in action. Therefor the connotation.
I speak of them both in terms of their actions as an INSTITUTION.
Are you suggesting that the police don’t operate as an institution? Are you suggesting that they don’t deserve to be criticized as an institution?
If you are, I think that’s ridiculous. If any officer wished to distinguish themselves from the atrocious history of that institution, then they would QUIT the corrupt, brutal police force, because by wearing the uniform, they accept whatever criticism of that institution they have coming to them.
Same thing as muslims and muslim EXTREMISTS. If the normal muslims wished to distinguish themselves from that institution, they would take a stronger stance against the atrocities of that institution in order to drive out the extremists, or they would distance themselves from that institution in order to preserve their own integrity.
Birds of a feather, flock together.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 1:51pmOkay, I wasn’t there, so I can only conjecture.
but…
IF the police were chasing a CRIMINAL outside of Guerena’s home, it would sound exactly the same – sirens, police shouting, etc. If they were announcing a warrant to the neighboring apartment, it would sound exactly the same. If the CRIMINAL were breaking in your front door to get away from the police, it would sound exactly the same.
What I would like to know is…
DID THE POLICE SAY HIS NAME so he knew they were there for him???
If not, he could have very possibly have simply been defending his home.
He DID put his family in a closet, as anyone would.
What I do know is, we do not have all the information.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:00pm@ Sinista
So you hate the “police” as in the institution. How does that make anything I said in the first post wrong? I never said you hate police officers, I said you hate the police. You read it as officers, when it was said as the actual entity (or institution, if you will).
So… that’s right.
Entire point is, there’s a lot of police hate on these boards, and it surprises me.
Report Post »arx
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:00pmWhy only NOW do they have a video? This happened two weeks ago. Something stinks to high heaven here. And this is the same sherrif that allowed the congresswoman to be shot. Decorated Marine shot down in his own home in front of his family, with no evidence of criminal activity, and nobody has even lost their job over this? This country is quickly becoming very much like Nazi Germany, or any other run of the mill police state.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:01pm@ akmiikeus,
Jared Loughner was a devout liberal! He registered as a Republican to vote in their primary. He has been involved in many left wing rallies. Stop spewing idiocy.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:03pmI just hope the the police have their evidence ALL in order to justify this! I am just glad no one else was “shot” with this example of overwhelming “fire disicpline”! Shot 71 times and only hit him 22? These are SWAT or Boy Scouts?
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:09pm@ Conservationcanwork,
You stupid idiot! This Marine veteran was sound asleep when his wife told him that there was a man outside pointing a gun at her! He took up that rifle not knowing who was about to come into his house or why and I’m willing to bet the reason that he never fired a shot and his weapon was on safe was because he heard the siren, recognized the tactics, and recognized the all black swat uniforms and wasn’t going to shoot anyone! The members of this swat team that entered this MAN’s home and MURDERED him need to be executed by the state. I wouldn’t feel safe with any person like that in my society.
BTW, I am a 26 year old Marine Veteran who owns guns and has a family. I would probably have done the exact same thing in that situation. Now that I know what will happen though, I will shoot first and refuse to ask questions regarding ANYONE who enters my home without my EXPRESS PERMISSION. I will not be shot dead in my own home as my wife listens to the bullets rip through me and ricochet off the walls of my home.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:23pmLocked
You continue to ignore simple english.
I hate the ACTIONS of the police as an institution.
Their ACTIONS.
A.C.T.I.O.N.S.
That makes EVERYTHING you said in your first post wrong, and every post subsequently.
They did this vet the same way they did Sean Bell in Queens NYC.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:26pm@LOCKED
The police are a permanent, standing army and thus unconstitutional. So if it fits your brainwashed mind to call it hate, I’m fine with that. Cops are unconstitutional and that cannot be argued. It is not my fault that sycophants like Beck make you think that only leftist dislike pigs.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:27pmDon’t point a gun at a police officer!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:32pmGETALONG
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:27pm
“Don’t point a gun at a police officer with the safety on!”
There, I fixed your type-o.
Report Post »theteaishot
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:34pmThis is what is happening in Egypt, Libya, China, and other lawless nations. Now its here.
Did they have a search warrent? This looks like another Ben Laden style assasination. Who was this guy they feared? Was he exposing police corruption or a TEA running for office. We saw what the Union Thug police did in Madison, Wisconsin; they attacted TEA demonstrators and helped the Union Tugs create $7.5 million in damage to the State House. The police are no longer on our side.
Report Post »slimster
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:35pmJust so every one knows – This guy was just sleeping after getting home from a graveyard shift when his wife woke him up saying some one was pointing a gun at her through the window. He reacted by grabbing his gun and heading towards the door when they busted it open and shot him… He most likely thought it was a home invasion since they are not uncommon in Arizona, especially in Tuscon. I’ve heard a few first hand stories of these home invasions, and knowing how bad they can be, this guy reacted in the right way – He would have needed an assault riffle to stop them and protect his wife and kid… I’ve also personally had the Az swat team show up at 5 in the morning with one of these warrants for some one who did not live at the house anymore- they woke me up and came in the house with guns drawn before I could even put my shorts on – I had no idea who they were or what was going on. and we were all lucky I did not have a gun.
Report Post »slimster
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:40pmAlso the person they were looking for in my situation I knew her – she was a nonviolent offender wanted for drug possession or something stupid…
Report Post »cadejo69
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 2:52pm70 Rounds fired, only 22 strike their intended target???No Return fire even? Who the hell is training this guys, what qualify them as a SWAT team member? everyone of them to include the breacher stayed in front of the fatal funnel. SWAT team???? Scarry if you ask me.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:07pmLocked
I understand that you’re having a semantic problem.
You think that I’m morally allowed to condemn the actions of the institution or individual, but that I cannot condemn the institution for its actions or the actions of an individual within that institution.
But you don’t have the authority to make that call. That’s my prerogative if I decide to condemn the institution because of the actions of a few (in this case, it’s a lot more than a few). That’s not being a bigot, a racist, or intolerant either, because it is an institution, not an individual.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:09pmSmithclar3nc3
But they’re not Nazi Stormtroopers….nope.
Uh-uh.
Nothing to see here folks, just move along…
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:11pmWe are killing people over something that if it was legal, (drugs), it would be made safely by companies and the drug lords would not have any reason to smuggle it. STOP the war on drugs and the BIG GOVERNMENT BUSINESS it creates and feeds. (FBI, DEA, Police, and many more) What a waste of our resources.
Report Post »Rashomon
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:12pmKnock (BAM your dead) Knock police
Report Post »v-vet1968
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:54pmlooks good for a lawsuit to me!!!!
Report Post »v-vet1968
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 3:59pmthey can break in anytime if you might have drugs or etc.
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:27pmThe article says he “Gestured” an AR-15 rifle… okay just what the hell does THAT mean?
If I were to bet money, i would say that he probably had it in his lap, (for whatever reason). The police bust down the door, they see the rifle in his lap, Guerena flinches, twitches or even blinks and some amped up SWAT guy shoots, then everyone else starts shooting.
THen again the police let the sirens go for several seconds so as to announce their presence… so why did he have a rifle in the police are obviously right outside?
I dunno….It’s all FUBAR. A lot of things are not adding up with this story. Bottom line, this did NOT go according to plan for the Dept and now they are scrambling to clean their hands… and in the process just making a bigger mess.
Report Post »jcannon98188
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:29pmTo Those saying they should have knocked, presented a warrant and then moved in…..
Really? I suppose we should have presented Osama Bin Laden with a warrant too, and knocked instead of storming the place.
You guys are only up in arms because this man was an ex marine. If he was not ever a soldier you would be totally cool with it, probably even praising the swat team for removing a dangerous criminal. Get over yourselves, this is no a police state. This man was accused of breaking the law. Obviously they had some reason to call SWAT in on him, they don’t just do that for the fun of it. And when SWAT comes in your house, you get down. Because they don’t play around. If they feel they are threatened they take you down. Same thing that they do (or should do) in the army. If a soldier feels like someone is trying to hurt them, they WILL shoot first, and ask questions later.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:29pmIn my home, I’m perfectly within my rights to answer the door with any damned thing in my hands I please.
If the police have a search warrant, there’s no reason I should retain my weapon while they search my home. This was a clear over reaction.
If this former marine has a criminal history that includes violence, that might mitigate the situation. If not, it doesn’t matter what the suspicion is, he’s INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:33pm@DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
“Don’t point a gun at a police officer with the safety on!”
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Indeed. It seems to me the former marine was dead meat from the word go. At least he could have taken a couple of his murderers down with him.
I‘m shocked the officers involved haven’t been suspended pending an investigation. How many times in the last year have we seen cops (doing a GOOD job) suspended pending the investigation? This stinks big time.
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:36pmNew reports are just out. The Marine was a blogger on the Blaze and was making fun of the “Speech Giver” No this is NOT funny. Why do the Police storm houses like this to present Search Warrants. There are kids in these houses. They could knock on the door POLITELY to see if anyone comes to it at first in civilian clothes. Covered by a sniper!! Many times during these raids only a bag of weed is found. The Police have a tough job and face evil for sure. But this type of storming the compund sets up violence. How did the Marine or anyone else NOT know these are real Police now of days!!!
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:37pm@jcannon98188
Obviously they had some reason to call SWAT in on him, they don’t just do that for the fun of it.
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I’m sorry, can you point out the obvious part? Where in the article did it specify why SWAT was called to execute the SEARCH WARRANT as opposed to the regular Tuscon Police?
I’m just trying wrap my head around how obvious it was, you know, keeping in mind every citizen’s Constitutional rights.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:38pm@Jaycen
If the police have a search warrant, there’s no reason I should retain my weapon while they search my home.
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Sorry, that should read “…there‘s no reason I shouln’t retain my weapon…”
Report Post »docvet
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:40pmMaking an assumption here, this Marine had been to Iraq and/or Afganistan. However the investigation turns out, it would just be a damn shame that a group of Americans did what thousands of Muslim extremists couldn’t do.
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:42pmTempers Fly….Trigger Happy Swat…Question?? How many officers does it take to bring in one guy?
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:50pm“To Those saying they should have knocked, presented a warrant and then moved in…..”
Um…that’s usually how search warrants go as far as I know…
But what do I know, I’m just a civilian. I’m just the masters of these public servants parading around like they run the place and murdering people.
“You guys are only up in arms because this man was an ex marine. If he was not ever a soldier you would be totally cool with it, probably even praising the swat team for removing a dangerous criminal.”
Unfortunately this is true for some people, but not everyone. Some of us know that civilians are the sovereigns of this country and deserve greater deference than our SERVANTS police officers, hence the doctrine of “innocent until PROVEN guilty”.
“Get over yourselves, this is no a police state.”
That’s a matter of perspective, my friend. Usually the perspective of those who think this is not a Stasi Police State are those who live in a state of denial, confusion, brainwash, delusion, illusion, and cognitive dissonance where the best perspective they have is either below ground level of a sandbox or their own rectum.
“Obviously they had some reason to call SWAT in on him, they don’t just do that for the fun of it. ”
Yea, you know why? Because he is an armed vet and the police are being trained by Homeland Security and other federal agencies that marines and soldiers returning from combat pose a threat to national security and should be approached
Report Post »ecurbyy
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:53pmRemember Waco, Ruby ridge. There just has to be an alternative to a group of heavily armed, unaccountable, sanctioned to kill storming into a residence and opening fire like this. Shoot first, question later. Oh, that’s right. The veteran is dead, and the swat members are just glad that’s all over with. They can just wait to kill another guilty or possibly innocent suspect. I hope It’s not me or you. My condolences to his family, friends and fellow veterans.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:58pm“And when SWAT comes in your house, you get down.”
If they don’t have legal basis to be there then you have a right to defend yourself against unlawful intrusion.
“If they feel they are threatened they take you down. Same thing that they do (or should do) in the army.”
That‘s the reason why it’s illegal to use the Army on civilians on American soil. It sparks civil wars. Posse Comitatus. We don’t need gung ho SWAT cops running around neighborhoods firing fully automatic weapons into residences over simple search warrants. What’s next? Black helicopters and
masked men rappelling down onto your roof, tossing flashbangs in every directions, tear gassing everything, rubber bulleting passers-by? Waco in the middle of a suburb?
They need to stand the hell DOWN before they spark a civil war.
” If a soldier feels like someone is trying to hurt them, they WILL shoot first, and ask questions later.”
Again, these are not soldiers, they are SWAT being used to serve a search warrant because it is a armed citizen. They will do the same thing to an armed civilian who is not a veteran.
This is a pretext for them to use SWAT in the serving of simple warrants even if the person has no history of crime.
Do you want SWAT kicking your door in and unloading 12 magazines over an old parking ticket?
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 5:05pmSinista Mace
Dude, neighbors 4 doors down from me had US Marshalls break down their door last summer because they received a “tip” that they were running drugs out of their house. Luckily when the Mashalls saw my friends wife huddled in the kitchen with her 3 & 5 year old daughters they scaled WAY back. turns out it was all just a big “misunderstanding”.
So don’t be so fast to say “They were there with good reason!” Yes they could have been. OR they could have been there on a “tip”. And No, if this was just some joe-shmoe non-marine guy I would still be tweaked about it because the cops opened fire FIRST, the victim never fired a shot and even had his weapon on safe. THEN they cops give conflicting stories… yeah there’s something amiss period.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 5:28pmStifroc
I didn’t say “They were there with good reason!”
I was quoting jcannon98188
Report Post »mill
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 5:49pmThey should get together with the Las Vegas creeps/cops that shot the guy at Home Depot
Report Post »Diamond Girl
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 6:35pmSgtbarrett…
Amen!
Wake-Up America indeed, this has been going on for decades…difference now is we have video, internet, the viral world…priceless!
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 6:51pm@GIDEON612
this is murder. plain and simple.
that ‘former marine’ knew something.
how easy would it be to do that.. set off someones car alarm, you know they are going to grab protection and be on high alert… you know they are going to have a gun pointed at you if they have one, they said AR-15, there wasn’t one. there was a handgun, was it even registered to him? probably not, probably was a ‘drop gun’.
Another important fact is that SWAT is taught how to disarm and immobilize it’s targets… one of them could have easily shot him in the arm or leg. plus which one said “put the gun down and your hands in the air” ? none of them. not one of them even said “he’s got a gun”, it was, bust the door down, move in, unload weapon. straight up murder.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 7:18pmi watched the video. something i would not do normally:have seen too much carnage. there is something wrong here . can’t place my finger on it quite yet. too buisness like and somany shots. then the studdered shots at the end.over 1 person accused of a crime without any collaboration evidence.
could it be another set up. could this be any one of a number of people who just happen to be military/former military/gun owner/ possible NRA member. i’m stating this because of what janet incompitano said along side of her boss: the ovomit.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 8:16pmjust like the apache scouts that tracked down there own kind for money, for the US Calvery helped wipe them out now they got no more home boys. and the guy paying there salery is done with them?? “in with the population i guess”??
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:22pmI wonder if the swat members that entered had helmet cams? I wonder how it is they can do this and get away with it, and yet when Border Agents shoot known drug traffickers on the border as they try to run from authority, why it is they put border agents in jail? So what if the guy had been in the shower, would that little bit of time they gave him be enough to dry off, throw on pants and come to the door? I don’t think so. What if he had on head-phones listening to loud music, and he finally turned down the volume, would that have been enough time? I think it comes down to the arrogance of a police state, harassing it’s own citizens more so than known criminals coming across the border.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:26pmYup. You kick in the door of a former combat-experienced Marine, you damn well BETTER fire 71 times.
Effing cowards.
This makes me utterly sick to my stomach. These guys had body armor, head to toe, all the experience in the world, and they felt that just seeing a gun gives them the opportunity to empty their magazines into one man, armed with a single pistol?
And on top of that, NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN FOUND??
They had to know he was suffering from PTSS, and the best strategy would be to arrest him at a “normal” traffic stop where they could better control his weapon, if he had it on him. THEN go search his home. This sounds more to me like a cowboy operation and a completely disgusting last of professionalism from these COWARDS.
Semper Fidelis, my fallen Brother. Rest easy, Marine.
Taps
Report Post »Atten-TION! Hand salute!
Order Arms.
Eliasim
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:28pmI find it amazing: we live in a system whereby the Court orders California prisons to release 37,000 inmates because of over-crowding of which I just know some of them had more serious crimes than this Marine, swat shot to death, and to make the prisoner release in California even more dire, a reported computer glitch (yeah right) caused California to release a probable 450 violent criminals. Then I ask: what in the heck is this swat doing?
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:46pm79USMC83
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 4:36pm
New reports are just out. The Marine was a blogger on the Blaze and was making fun of the “Speech Giver”
WHO??? Did they say??
Report Post »arx
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 9:54pmThe weapon being on safe tells this old marine that he did not intend to fire, and therefore was not pointing the weapon at SWAT. Vets flip the switch as they bring up the weapon, as this fulfills two safety rules…keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire…and never point a weapon at something you do not intend to shoot. If this is true, and I firmly believe it is…they shot a man simply for holding a weapon in his own home, if he was even holding it.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:01pmThis is the bottom line, regardless of your opinions of whether this was the right or wrong actions, AFTER they kicked in the door.
Report Post »We have a 4th amendment, well, we HAD a 4th amendment, and it wasn’t followed in this situation. In fact, State Supremem Courts around the country, including very recently in my state of Indiana, have made that amendment null and void. It was put there for a reason by our Founders, because this behavior was EXACTLY what they were experiencing under Brittish rule: Warrently harrassment of the citizenry. If we don’t stand now against our court system, which on the surface seems impenetrable, we will all be bound slaves to the government. As I understand it, anyone who has a case against a judge OR a member of the Executive can file impeachment charges with your Distict Attorney, or maybe the State DA, not sure where you have to go, but it doesn’t have to start in the US Senate. If you have a greivence, you personally can file for hearings.
Look it up, I’m not real clear on the legality of this. I’m sure we can all find a Constitutional lawyer that can clear it up.
My Sacred Honor
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:05pmARX, SGTB, 79USMC83, other Marines on here….
Will you stand with me at attention, hand salute for our fallen Brother?
And for those few who said the fact that he was a Marine matters more in this story, you are absolutely correct. As a Marine, he SERVED America in DEFENDING the Constitution, the same Constitution that was ignored in his MURDER.
Report Post »So yes. This Marine falling in this sickening way IS important to this story.
Liberty or Death
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:07pm8 seconds… Really! Give a man a chance to see who is really there before you BREAK his door down and threaten his family. My STUPID state recently said that police can legally enter a house without a search warrant. Let me think. They knock… I get off the couch… see several men outside… grab my gun… AT LEAST 10 seconds pass. Give a man a chance to call 911 to verify the warrant. How ’bout that! There are so many cases of people impersonating officers… I always verify identities.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:13pmLiberty or Death
Report Post »You live in Indiana too?
newrepublic7
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:18pmWhat the Hell was that? NO Video of the inside? hmmm?
Report Post »US_SOLDIER
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 10:42pm@CONVERSATIONCANWORK
Definition of an assault rifle: An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
Examples of assault rifles include the Kalashnikov family (by far the most common),[5] M16 rifle, G36, FN F2000, and the Steyr AUG.
Contrary to liberal beliefs an M-16 and AR-15 are not the same thing. An M-16 has a semi auto (1 round) and three round burst while an AR-15 only has a semi auto select fire. The “sustained AUTOMATIC fire (more than one round leaving the chamber when the trigger is pulled) should tell you that what he had was a simple rifle regardless of the look or “furniture” on the weapon. So please stop repeating what the media and liberals quickly label something just because it looks like what we use in the military
Report Post »bulletsinthegun
Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:44pmthe swat team should be charge with murder, where is the D.A.???
Report Post »rainmaker4171
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:03am“The cops acted stupidly” BHO :)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:42amJCannon writes:
“The warrant is for a SEARCH, not for killing.”
Exactly the point, to search not execute.
“So If they went in there, and he started shooting, they should have called the AG and requested a warrant for his death to be sent over? “Righttttt””
The first six words explain what they did wrong..Went in without notifying the household. This is the reason for notifying so a home defender doesn’t get caught off guard and try to protect their property.
“It may be constitutional to have a gun, but it IS against the law to point it at an officer. Because just as you have a right to own a gun, so do they.”
It is the individuals responsibility to defend their home from any intruders. Therefore, without notifying homeowner, a Cop is considered an intruder and in violation of ROE. Cop is to sanctify life with all means, not shoot to kill at first chance. They work for us, remember.
“Honestly people, you act like you OWN the property here. News flash, you don’t. You own the right to be on it, but you do not actually OWN the land, it belongs to the Government of the United States. Get over it.”
I do own my property and it is not the Governments. You are ignorant of your Liberties and your teaching Progressivism…Wake up before it’s used on you….Could be you next just for being ignorant…
Report Post »doodad
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:19amJust wait…if BO is reelected, he will be doing shi* like this just as Clinton did. We have a black nationalist attorney general, with a much bigger ax to grind than Janet Reno ever did. They will be attacking “domestic terrorists” in the form of white people they say are white supremists who are plotting an overthrow of the gubmint. BO might of had nothing to do with this, but just wait and see what he will do in his last term in office to evil YTs.
Report Post »Dont-hate-on-me-2
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:39amFirst off i wasnt there! Second the marine didnt open the door it was busted down. Third if i hear sirens outside and am worried about my family or myself being as i am disabled you bet your ass im grabing my rifle. Fourth I lean towards the side that says they excuted a hero who defends my freedom and theirs. I would just like to say where is the evidence that this man was all the things they say he was. Lastly it sounds like they got their story mixed up from the begining, I smell cover up. (hey joe you saw him pionting the rifle at us right hint hint, yeah sam i saw , you all saw the rifle pionted at us right, oh sure boss) thats an easy story to stick by to aviod charges.
Report Post »Sorry but i cant agree that the police are the good guys and havnt for a while..
dr_funk
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:08am“This guy would still be alive if he wasn’t holding an Assault Rifle.”
I have my doubts that he was even holding it, let alone pointing it at them. Investigation revealed that he never fired a shot, and that he never even switched the safety off. Why camp out by the door with a gun with the safety on? Doesn’t make any sense.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:51amjcannon98188 is a crackhead.
He will bend over willingly and cough two times when they come.
NEWSFLASH JCANNON!
WE DO OWN OUR LAND.
MY land.
Taxes are unconstitutional. Just because they force us to pay taxes on our land doesn’t make it their land.
It just means we haven’t risen up and overthrown this tyrannical Federal government.
Yet.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:02am@ Snowleopard… “Someone overeacted, and a tradgedy has occured that will have reprecussions across the board; the Fed’s acted in extreme bad judgment now, and trying to cover it up from the beginning is pathetic and pure typical for their actions…this should go in the books like the slaughter of Ruby Ridge where the fed’s killed the guys boy, wife and dog who were unarmed. Seven seconds of non stop firing into a man is overkill and murder, pure and simple.”
What are you talking about??? Did you read the story??? Have you followed any of this???
Report Post »1. Pima Co Sheriffs Dept, not the feds.
2. This was not a tragedy. Jose Guerena made a conscious choice to engage the deputies with gunfire. This was a successful raid as no Deputies were hurt.
3. The Deputies had a search warrant, blew the sirens, announced their presence, and demanded entry.
4. Jose Guerena had enough time that he told his wife and kid to get into a closet, then grab his rifle and advance on deputies.
5. Once the deputies saw their lives in imminent danger, they fired until the threat was put down. Suppress the threat by “overwhelming firepower” and “violence of action”. Thats what they do.
6. Jose Guerena was given every opportunity before being shot to surrender and obey lawful orders and he chose to grab a rifle.
7. Nobody tried to cover this up, the story changed when FACTS became apparent, the investigation unfolded. They admit Jose Guerena did not fire.
8. This was no Ruby Ridge. This
Armed Patriot
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:31amI am assuming that most people here posted before watching the video that shows deputies blasting a siren, yelling SEARCH WARRANT, OPEN THE DOOR, the deputy knocking 3 times on the door. I cant believe that sooo many of you truly hate the police that put their lives on the line everyday to keep you safe, to ensure a civil society, and keep order. To my Marine brothers, Yes he was a Marine. That doesnt mean that he was not a bad guy. Many gangs have joined the Army and the Corps to gain military training. This guy apparently did not give the legal system a chance to decide if he was guilty or innocent, he took things into his own hands, decided his own fate. Swat was sent due to intelligence they had received through investigation, due to the violent and severe nature of the crimes he was suspected of. Say a prayer for a fallen Marine if you must, but what if he was the violent home invader/drug dealer that he was being accused of. To all you cop haters… Who you gonna call when the bad guy steals your purse, or robs you in the parking lot??? Sinista mace… yous justa hater. I feel bad for you man. Yous justa hater.
Report Post »Down2TheC
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:44amThat’s just dumb. You know where he works, pick him up at work if he’s so damned dangerous in his home! Then when you bust in his door and find nothing illegal, you can remove the cuffs and let the guy live his life. I hope the wife bankrupts the dummies with a huge lawsuit.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:56amArmed Patriot
You must be a cop or something.
Nobody defends this atrocious murder that vehemently.
Are you afraid people might draw their own conclusions? Is that why it is imperative that you attempt to discredit me, as if that‘s going to change ANYONE’s mind about what their eyes saw and ears heard?
You’re delusional.
“To all you cop haters… Who you gonna call when the bad guy steals your purse, or robs you in the parking lot??? Sinista mace… yous justa hater. I feel bad for you man. Yous justa hater.”
Hey Armed Patriot.
Let me help your feeble brain comprehend. I don’t hate cops. I hate their actions. This is one of a multitude of police actions I hate. So stop with your strawmen.
I don’t need, no seek, your pity, or any form of empathy. When I’m confronted with a robber, I’m shooting them in the face. That’s what the 2nd Amendment is for. Bad guys and tyrannical cops/government (and hunting when needed). And the occasiaonal alien invasion.
I’m not calling the cops as if they have a teleporter on hand to beam to my location. I’m carrying a pistol just like every American should.
You’re marginalziing yourself by standing with the cops on this atrocious murder. But hey, no skin off my nose.
What you eat doesn’t make me poop.
Report Post »Whatwerheaded4
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:10pmI’d like to see more follow-up articles and attention placed on these type raids. The mainstream media isn’t even talking about stuff like this. Judge, Jury and executioner….
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:15pmEvery American with a Gun is a threat and will be treated accordingly.
Report Post »You NeoCons better wake up, you are next….
Whatwerheaded4
Posted on May 28, 2011 at 5:40pmWhat I don’t get is that if the warrant was for drugs and human trafficking, why is the local Sheriff the lead agency? Aren’t the crimes federal, especially the human trafficking? Something’s not right here. Someone’s trying to keep their hands clean on this one and giving the dirty work to someone else. I haven’t seen anyone elese mention this. Maybe someone could enlighten me on this one.
Report Post »Heather Mae 74
Posted on May 29, 2011 at 12:53am@chirodoc007 Would love to have evidence of what the officers saw inside the house. My guess is that they had a history that included “Ex-Marine”, “drug smuggler”, and “human trafficker”.
The stories I read went a little something like this. Undercover police were casing the neighborhood in unmarked car “someon” called in a license plate check and that made them suspicious because they were by that persons house, they got a warrant to search this and 4 other homes. Background on the Marine. It was around 9 9:30 am and he was in bed fast asleep after working 3rd shift at a copper mine, his wife said she spotted armed men outside house and because a couple of close family members died the year before in a home invasion became scared and woke her husband (a 2 tour combat veteran) in a panic. Now I look at this story and have these questions 1. If you are sound asleep with the air conditioning on and someone is hollering and knocking would it be reasonable that the marine did not realize that it was swat? 2. From the time the door bust open and the shots begin did these officers given this man enough time to realize that they were police serving a search warrant? and 3. Why has the story changed three times. Also it took about an hour for the police let EMT’s go to the man. Yes he had body armor but many of the troops had to by their own armor to have the best protection in combat. If they were watching this guy why didn’t they catch him coming or goin
Report Post »Heather Mae 74
Posted on May 29, 2011 at 12:59amI also heard that the other 4 house that were searched also had nothing found so what was this probable cause that was used to obtain these warrants? The police also lied in their initial statements that the body was not visible from doorway so they were scared to go in to see if man was still armed and alive yet when pictures of crime scene were veiwed you can clearly see from the doorway where his body was laying. The sherrif was quick to release their first version of events yet when stories started to not jibe with the facts he scolded even questioning the situation and then sealed all the details from the public. (This sheriff is no stranger to controversy he is the one who quickly blamed the tea party and sara palin for gabby gifford’s shooting with no proof)
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on May 29, 2011 at 12:43pm@ sinista mace… You are a very sick individual. I would bet if your car was stolen or your house burglarized you would call the police. You are very quick to discredit any one that disagrees with your Alex Jones point of view. You hurl “straw man” at people that have valid points, and insults at anybody in disagreement with YOUR point of view. You are the minority. YOU are the sick puppy in the room. YOU are the delusional one. You show very anti-police sentiments when their job is to take the hits to keep us safe from vermin
Your Alex Jones point of view is shared with about 10% of Americans, just like you dont believe we we went to the moon, “because of what we found there”.
You are a sad individual when you cannot support another mans unalienable right to his own views without insult. You are a sick individual when you put the man down with the viscous insults that you sling. You sir are a twisted individual.
I would bet that you are…
1. Between the age of 18 and 35.
2. Black.
3 Grew up in the suburban utopia.
4. Support the NAACP and ACLU.
5. Have never served in the US Military.
6. Educated in a left wing college.
7. Listen to Alex Jones daily or nearly every day.
8. 9/11 truther.
9. Believe that you are smarter than everybody else.
10. An anarchist
For me. I’ am a card carrying member of the NRA, a firearms dealer, believe in the US Constitution and the Second Amendment. In many states, like mine, it is illegal to defend your life aga
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Posted on May 29, 2011 at 12:53pmSinista mace (continued)… In my state, as in others, it si illegal to defend your own life against a deadly threat. I do carry, my two Glock .40′s, with a ccw. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six. Im sure we both agree on that.
But any one that has a different opinion than YOURS, you hurl viscous insults at, when YOUR opinion is in the minority. And your claims, implied or evident, at moral and intellectual superiority, are ludicrous. Your theories or assumptions are in the 10% club. You should ease up a bit.
Truly, I dont feel bad for you. I was saying that to be nice and show your contempt and hostility for those that show you even the smallest bit of humanity. You have shown who you are for your insults for my humanity. Good luck in your viscous hatred and contempt. Deny it all you want but it is very evident by ALL of your posts. May GOD help for no man can.
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Posted on May 29, 2011 at 12:56pmMay GOD help YOU for no man can.
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Posted on May 29, 2011 at 5:38pmArmed Patriot
I‘m not saying that the police don’t serve a valuable function to society. What I’m saying is increasingly they exist for revenue enhancement, and their brutality is killing us. As an institution, they’re also overstepping every bounds that is put in place by the constitution. That doesn’t make me a sick individual. I don’t need to discredit anyone, because the credibility of random posters in a realtime forum is nil to start with. You set up a strawman saying that I said I hate the police, but I didn’t say that. I said I hate their actions.
I only insult those who insult me first. I know it isn’t right, but hey, I’m a sinner. You think that people who think they way I do about the police are a minority, but you fail to realize that increasingly people are questioning the overstep of authority that WE granted to law enforcement, and we are NOT a minority.
“Your Alex Jones point of view is shared with about 10% of Americans, just like you dont believe we we went to the moon, “because of what we found there”.”
I bet you on any day that Alex Jones is broadcasting that the traffic far exceeds the Blaze, and I never said we didn’t go to the moon. I know we went there, but the video is altered or fabricated in order to conceal what was found there. Get your Sinista Mace facts straight. You can call me what you want, but I will continue to speak out against corrupt law enforcement, police brutality, the TSA and all forms of government intrus
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Posted on May 29, 2011 at 5:48pmArmed Patriot
You got some things right, and other things horribly wrong.
I am:
1. Between the age of 18 -35
2. Black
3 Grew up in the urban dystopia.
4. Don’t support the NAACP and only supports certain issues with the ACLU.
5. Have never served in the US Military, and will never dodge bullets for 40k to start a business or college tuition, but will freely defend my country when real threats present themselves, not wars of false pretense based on false-flag attacks perpetrated by our own government.
6. Educated in a at Tri-C, a community college that is not “left wing”.
7. Listen to Alex Jones daily or nearly every day.
8. 9/11 was an inside job.
9. Has never had a superiority complex.
10. A strict constitutionalist.
I don’t have to be a member of the NRA to have a multitude of firearms, directed energy weapons, prototype antigravity machines, and other things unable to be listed here due to legal concerns.
I don’t hate you, Armed Patriot.
Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.
I am a soldier in the Army of Yahweh, your creator.
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Posted on May 29, 2011 at 7:52pmSinista, Thanks for replying to the questions, I didnt think you would but it better helps to understand where your coming from in your points of view. I too am a constitutionalist and see the violations of the 1st, 2nd, fourth, fifth, 10th and fourteenth amendments happening almost daily and I am mad as hell. I am a firearms dealer and wish I knoew more of the directed energy weapons you speak of, might be rather interesting. Well good luck and one last thing. I have a problem with it too. When we call other name regardless of the reason, we loose our credibility. Both you and I alike. Try to lighten up. Peace.
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