Tea Party Patriots Co-Founder Arrested on Gun Charges at NYC Airport
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Mark Meckler, the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots (AP Photo)
Mark Meckler, the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, a group that supports conservative candidates and values, was arrested on felony charges after he took a gun to LaGuardia Airport on Thursday.
The incident unfolded when the conservative leader attempted to check in for a Delta flight to Detroit. Prosecutors say that Meckler, 49, had a locked gun box, which contained a Glock pistol and 19 cartridges of ammunition, in his luggage. According to Politico, Meckler had been in New York since last Sunday. He told police that he carries the gun because he receives threats.
While Meckler did declare the gun at the airline ticket counter, as required, New York City has strict rules on concealed weapons. While he is licensed to carry in Grass Valley, California, he does not have the same ability to carry in New York. In this instance, it appears Meckler had a fundamental misunderstanding of the legalities involved in carrying between states.
Tea Party Patriots coordinators Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin (AP Photo)
“He didn’t have a correct understanding of the law,” confirmed Al Della Fave, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. “Though he has a permit to carry in California, that did not cover him in the state of New York.”
As a result, he spent a day in jail and has been released. While the charges against him could lead to prison time (Daily Intel reports that it could be up to 15 years), people in similar situations typically only face fines. Politico has more:
The tea party leader’s lawyer argued that he was “in temporary transit through the State of New York in possession of an unloaded, lawful firearm,” and that Mr. Meckler had been fully compliant with all laws, according to the New York Times.
Meckler was arraigned on charges of second degree criminal possession of a weapon, a felony that could carry up to fifteen years in prison. He was released pending a Jan. 12 court date.
This case will likely intrigue those who have a strong stance on Second Amendment rights, especially considering the fact that Meckler seems to have merely made a mistake in his understanding of interstate concealed carry laws.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(H/T: Daily Intel)
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Comments (294)
SmallGovBigGuns
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:44ammy friend accidently brought his conceal to the airport (forgot it was in his breifcase) they interrogated him. figured out he was no threat just a mistake. had to pay a fine and pay to get his gun back. pretty pricey overall. i hope mark doesnt get treatment any different than this. i figure NY will go after him since his affiliation but im sure he has excellent representation.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:06pmIt appears that New York has removed itself from The United States of America!
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:08pmDon’t you just love how the lamestream media never misses the opportunity to point out that the person is a conservative. They forget to mention political affiliations when its a liberal.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdTJR_OYnNg
Utahcatholic
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:29pmI too thought as long as the gun is unloaded and in a locked box/carrier ii is perfectly legal to transport said gun in checked luggage or you car for that matter. Just how is one to transport a gun from one state to another??
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:43pmAll you need to know:
2012 Presidential Candidates – Gun Owners Of America
http://www.gunowners.org
Ron Paul A+
Report Post »Rick Perry A
Michelle Bachmann A
Rick Santorum B-
Newt Gingrich C
Mitt Romney D-
Clive
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:46pmplaxico served 2 years for this. although, he did shoot himself in the leg.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:47pmAlso, I learned that the NRA is responsible for RESTRICTIONS on guns in many cases. It’s the “Gun Owners of America” who are the Constitutionally-correct organization.
If you’re a member of the NRA — get out!
Join the “Gun Owners of America” for true gun rights!
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:49pmI have met Mr. Meckler on a couple occassions – seems like a good family man. I’m sure this was ignorance on his part.
IF YOU INTEND on traveling with weapons, it is worth your time and trouble to get CCW Permits in more than the State you reside in. MAY I SUGGEST adding Utah & Florida to whichever you call your home State? Adding these two will give you more liberties in your ability to carry & travel through reciprocity.
In regards to New York – DON’T EVEN THINK about going there by plane with a weapon unless you are Law Enforcement and even then have done your homework and communication in advance.
You will quickly come to the realization (as has Mr. Meckler) that this is no longer the Land of the Free.
Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:49pmLinks showing where the NRA has NOT supported gun rights and compromised with Democrats
http://oldironsides-thesilentmajority.blogspot.com/2011/06/jeff-knox-knows-whats-wrong-with-nra.html
Report Post »babylonvi
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:54pm@THEGRASSROOTS,
“It appears that New York has removed itself from The United States of America!” You just figuring that out NOW are you? Anyone who voluntarily submits themselves to presence in NYC is committing self inflicted punishment. If they ever give in to popular vote vs electoral college, these are the folks who will rule your lives as six liberal states could control the elections.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:09pmThis is going to get rwal political real quick. There will be those working behind the scenes to see to it this guy does prison time just because of who he is. This is another reason I have no use for New York or those New Yorkers that think the constitution doesn’t apply to them. You can’t opt out of the second amendment nor deny ones rights gauranteed under the constitution. Look at the feds sueing states for trying this with illegal immigration.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:12pmYes Clive, he did shoot himself in the leg. In a public place where someone else could have been killed.
Not to mention his Florida CCW was expired.
Not quite comparable to an unloaded gun, in a locked gun box, inside luggage.
Report Post »pavnvet
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:33pmThis is a bit confusing. It is legal to have a firearm in a locked suitcase if it is unloaded, locked in a hard sided case and the ammunition is separate and in its original box or a specially made container. Additionally, you must be taking it to a destination where it is legal for you to possess and from a place where it is legal to possess. Also, you must declare it (the airline tags the gun) and you have to meet all the qualifications (non-felon, etc.). There is a specific Federal Law that covers the interstate transportation of firearms. I have traveled out of NY airports and although it is a slight hassle, I never had a problem.
The only way he should have been arrested is if this was not in his checked luggage or another of the criteria was not met. The Port Authority cops can be jerks. There is a case where a similar incident (at LaGuardia) landed a guy in jail for 3 days because the cop didn’t know the law.
Bottom line, law abiding citizens should not have to worry when exercising our Second Amendment rights.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:36pmMark Meckler is a natural grass roots leader. He looks very nice in a suit and tie, and even his co founder looks like she lost a few pounds at the gym! He will be just fine, he has a promising future.
TEA
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:36pmIf he had had box cutters he probably would have been waved threw.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:59pmWhen guns are severely restricted, only very serious patriots and outlaws will have guns.
Norway has strict gun control laws so Anders Behring Breivik; A/H (ABBA) had to lawfully obtain his guns, which took considerable time and patience. In the end, Norway’s liberty-killing gun control laws do not work, and need to be repealed.
TEA
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:03pmJust think…if the 9/11 non muslim victims had been allowed to carry…the people on the planes might still be alive,,and maybe 3,000 people would still be alive…and there wouldn’t be a Victory Mosque near the still existing World Trade Center.
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:06pmGiven that the 2nd Amendment is FEDERAL – covering ALL states – I don’t think that individual states should have the right to go against it! Something should be done about CCW permits, etc. Communications capability is such today, that when any person is issued a permit to carry, that person can be tracked through every state!
Report Post »TimH
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:08pmSame thing would have happened had the man landed in China, North Korea or any other communist state. Go figure.
http://www.BornAgainHeathens.com
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:14pmAnother reason people why we need a Constitutionalist for President… Think of the atheist Communist countries.. first they take away the arms…they already have the FEMA camps built here..the have passed the “indefinite detention” bill with Obama opposing but not vetoing it. SOPA..to take away freedom of speech on the internet… and really Monicine…you site Brevik having his gun permits and killing all those people.? If some of those people had been carrying…it might not have happened. As someone on here stated…”A well armed society is a polite society.”
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:18pmHow do all the UN diplomats, their hired spies, their security spies, get permits to carry but , American citizens, cannot and if found are hassled by gov goons??
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:27pmIt wasn’t concealed, it was in a locked box, unloaded. F- New york and their communist overseers. New york doesn‘t have the right to block this man’s 2nd amendment rights, the supreme court already ruled on it.
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 3:38pm“Tea Party Patriots Co-Founder Arrested on Gun Charges at NYC Airport”
So what? Big deal!
Anymore, the way the government has morphed into a totalitarianstate, being arrested for anything that has to do with the second or first amendment is cause for some kind of metal.
The real criminals are in the government, and I’m pretty sure a majority of people will support that claim.
When will the government criminals be going to jail for failing to protect white voting rights or for
Report Post »illegally flooding Mexico with assault weapons used to kill our border patrol agents?
rdub76
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:22pmsame thing happened to me in ‘06. i ended up having to give the DHS $1500 in a “civil penalty”. Never did find out what that was for since the FBI said give him his gun back and lectured me on gun safety. Of course the high handed piss ant sheriff deputy there wrote me a citation for illegaly carrying a weapon and i had to pay another $1500 for my lawyer to get that dismissed.
Report Post »slonlo
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:29pm@TH30PH1LUS That’s the advice I got about New York in my CCW class. I am in FL, and he was going over reciprocity with us, and then some of the laws regarding states that didn’t reciprocate. He said NEVER take a gun into New York. He said if it’s locked up, unloaded, in the truck of your car that you can’t access from the cabin, you MIGHT be ok, but the police up there will do anything to get you on a gun charge and it’s best not to risk it. This is a perfect example. Apparently Mr. Meckler‘s instructor didn’t offer the same advice. How is it “concealed carry” if it’s unloaded in a locked box though? I don’t understand that at all. How are you supposed to get a gun home when you buy it in New York?
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:02pmWe are for states rights. Well except when it
Report Post »comes to laws we don’t like. Constitutional
hypocrites. Learn the laws of each state.
Ignorance of state law isn’t an excuse.
If I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon
in Pa dosnt mean I can carry concealed in NJ.
normbal
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:08pm“correct understanding of the law?” Really? 2d amendment to the constitution isn’t enough? Then there’s SB2994, Firearm Owners Protection Act of May 1976, allowing safe passage for all American citizens when traveling with firearms from state to state. The people prosecuting him should be arrested and charged with civil rights violations. Then I woke up. It’s the Nanny Bloomberg state, isn’t it.
Report Post »paintbrushbright
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:15pmYou got to be kidding me! The New york liberals and anti gun nuts will nail him to a cross. He is a T-Party member and that alone will make him a target. If he was a Democrat he would have been off the hook and fined.
Report Post »TroyBray
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:18pmI expect that this will make it to the Supreme Court. Sometimes, people stand up for what they Believe in.
Report Post »jmmulkey
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmIf you fly into another state, especially one like NY where they hate guns, and you are transporting your firearm with you in your luggage…as long as you don’t leave the airport, you are fine. I read a story several months ago about a guy who flew into NJ (I believe) and had his handgun in his suitcase…then he missed his flight or something…but he ended up having to spend the night in town and then fly out in the morning. He ended up getting stopped by the police before he got back to the airport and ended up going to jail. If I’m not mistaken a court finally cleared him of the charges and let him go…or maybe it was that the court case was ongoing still. Either way, even if it wasn’t his fault and he was simply flying back home with his weapon…he ended up getting arrested.
The moral of the story is: If you are flying with your weapon, do everything you can to not have to land in a state that isn’t gun friendly. It might save you a TON of trouble.
Report Post »thenewhickschick
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:56pmAfter my father, a retired police detective, died we had to bring his guns to GA. In order to do this we had to send the handguns from a gun shop in NY to a gun shop in GA. This of course was accompanied with some pretty hefty fees and lots of paperwork. The shotgun could be transported by plane with us if it was in a locked case, unloaded and with the firing pin removed. Yes, it was rediculous!
Report Post »NYHuguenot
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:30pmA while back a guy had a rifle in his luggage on the way to a hunting trip in PA. The plane had trouble and had to land in Newark, New Jersey. NJ honors no gun licenses and is probably the worst state to be a gun owner if you can get one. The next morning he was getting another flight and declared the rifle. The airline called the State Police and he was arrested. What little common sense prevailed and he as let off. This is why we need some sort of carry laws in the People’s Republics of the Northeast. NJ laws are subjective and even if you do it all right you may still get arrested. A guy moving from one address to another was and he had done everything right. He was senrenced to seven years in prison. Governor Christie pardoned him and he moved out of the state.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 7:04amas a tea party patriot i would suggest he push this all the way to the supreme court. to hell with ny state or any other that says you don’t have the right to carry anywhere at anytime.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 7:39amThere should be no gun control laws at all on any level. If you are free from prison; arm to the teeth. If your crime was that heinous, then you shouldn’t be out of jail. It is a right. You don‘t legilate rights and you certainly shouldn’t have to worry about bs from one state to another.
“the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you” -Barack Obama
Report Post »FNTM
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 3:22pmHe wasn’t carrying a concealed weapon. It was in his luggage. Locked. Unloaded. How do you transport a gun through NY? Carrier Pigeon?
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:42amThere should be no restrictions on guns in this country. Absolutely ridiculous!
Report Post »AARON BURR
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:04pmWhat part of “shall not be infringed” is so incomprehensible to Progressives?
Report Post »SONOFNANYE-HI
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:17pmExactly what I was thinking. The laws, “Second Amendment”, not specifically called out in the Constitution are reserved for the States. Since guns are covered in the Constitution, what rights do the states have to infringe?
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:01pmDid he misunderstand the law or are the laws intentionally made to confuse as to dissuade people from guns?
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:41amSeems to have been going on for some time. Too many hoops to jump thru…
“Special Advisory for New York and New Jersey Airports: Despite federal law that protects travelers, authorities at JFK, La Guardia, Newark and Albany airports have been known to enforce state and local firearms laws against airline travelers who are merely passing through the jurisdiction. In some cases, even persons traveling in full compliance with federal law have been arrested or threatened with arrest..”
http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=59
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:51amNY and NJ authorities and Judges need to be tried for Treason. But the Lawyer Aristocracies there are soft on Crime because it Pays them, thus they are the Greatest of Criminals.
Report Post »FRONTIERSMAN
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:24pmNJ and NY are infamous for this practice. You can be following the federal transport laws to the T, but once you land in NJ/NYC, you violate state law, and they have you. The kid in NJ who was had his unloaded firearm in the car as he was moving to a new residence there from Colorado was thrown in jail….luckily Christie commuted his sentence – he would have served a several years, and for what?
I find it odd that some of our greatest battles to defeat tyranny took place in those 2 states, and now it they are some of the most anti-liberty places in the country. Vote them all out or vote with your feet.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:38pm@Frontiersman – yes so sad, I used to live on the Heights in NJ down the Rd from Washington’s HQ. Vsited the small forgotten Park where the unmarked grave of Baylor’s Dragoons were Masacred as Rebels, even though they were at War under Magna Carta ARticel 61.
Sad.
It shows me that the People were never for the War, jsut like the Adam’s boys did not really want people to be free, but were making their grab for POWER. (See: Alien and Sedition Acts, Shayes and Fries’ Revolts)
Most people are covetous, petulent, Totalitarianists who want the governemnt to have such control that it will give them everything including their neighbor’s property and prosperity. Ah, such are Democracies!
So few were ever Patriots, for what did it gain them? For them they live Honor and died for all that they would ever truly create to forever possess, their own Honor.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:41amThe important thing is he has a pure heart. He believes it is OK to carry in New York and does not intend to hurt anyone, therefore the law does not apply to him. It is plain to see he is not a felon.
TEA
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:57amOh but he is becasue a Prosecutor (DOJ) will label him as one. Look for him to be charged as a Terrorist as well.
Just like Bush, the Obomber, and DOJ have through the Fusion Centers already labeled the TeaPartiers to be Terrorists, this is done, get used to it.
There are still only 2 kinds of Americans, even after 40 years of struggle and 3 years of Awakening, Totalitarianists and Patriots.
You are either one or the other.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:40amLesson: Stay out of New York!
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:53amThere is a reason that when you leave NY or NJ and go into PA there is a Sign that says “Pennsylvania America Starts Here”
Report Post »jsl55
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 5:35pmHow disgusting it is that 6 of the original 13 Colonies have turned into anti-Constitution cesspools.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:39amAnd the problem is……………….drum roll…………………………….The Fascist State of New York! When the doo doo hits the fan, good luck to all New Yorkers!
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:47amRats, lice and history tells me they are truly doomed.
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/why-rats-lice-and-history-is-a-great-book/
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:49amand the honorable mayor bloomberg thinks the way to jobs and prosperity is to open up and allow more immigrants…..enough said
Report Post »5percenter
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:43pmI agree whole heartedly. It will be entertaining to watch the liberals literally eat one another in these bastians of socialism
Report Post »just thinking again
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 3:39pmIt’s called states rights.
Report Post »DAMTEXAN
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amNew York City has special gun laws? WHO would have thought that? Just another of the many reasons I will never step foot there.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:47amHow can NY have special Laws in light of:
A. the PREAMBLE to the Bill of Rights;
B, the Man’s Rights under the 2nd and 9th Amendments;
C. the state being a party to the BOR due to the 10th Amendment and its vote for the BOR;
D. the U.S. Supreme Court case of Heller v. D.C.;
E. the USSCT Case of Johnson v. City of Chicago;
Does the phrase Overwhelming preponderance mean anything?
Report Post »Jomil48
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:04pmya, only crooks can carry in NYC, don’t believe me, check criminal records, the first thing they do when a thug is arrested using a gun is throw out the gun charge, but an honest citizen, you toast.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:13pmActually, in the Supreme Court Case McDonald v. Chicago (not Johnson v. Chcago) the court still upheld the right of cities to regulate the carrying of fire arms
“It is important to keep in mind that Heller, while striking down a law that prohibited the possession of handguns in the home, recognized that the right to keep and bear arms is not “a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” 554 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 54). We made it clear in Heller that our hold-ing did not cast doubt on such longstanding regulatorymeasures as “prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill,” “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and gov-ernment buildings, or laws imposing conditions and quali-fications on the commercial sale of arms.” Id., at ___–___ (slip op., at 54–55). We repeat those assurances here.Despite municipal respondents’ doomsday proclamations, incorporation does not imperil every law regulating firearms.”
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:28pm@Encinom – I happly take my correction! I will replace the erroneous Case and finding with West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette,
No Office nor vote can ever reach the Rights of the Bill of RIghts,
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 1:12pm@mrsalvage2
Report Post »The point is no right is absolute, much in the way you can not scream fire in a crowded theatre or be held for committing fraud (both under an absolute theory of freedom of speech would not be punishable), resaonable restrictions and regulations can be place on owning a firearm and if you beleive in State’s rights, the States whould set those limits and restrictiions.
mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:30pm@Encinom – that was a very tratorous and treasonous thing you present. 3 Points why.
1. the phrase you quote is from that insane guy Oliver Wendell Holmes whose decision in Buck v. Bell on eugencs was used by Goebels and Hitler to justify exterminating Millions of people.
2. the cry of ‘FIRE’ has to do with an outward Public expression designed to cause and action of others. Carrying a Concealed weapon is a Private Act. Two completely different things. If there was an issue of brandishing we could chat about your idea. Not in this case.
3. as stated in my prior posts in regrds to the PREAMBLE to the Bill of Rights (especially NYC a political subdivision of the State of NY, where the BOR was incepted to the Constitution), the State being a Party to the 9th and 10th Amendments, and the case of West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, the State has no authority to reach by any Act to tresspass upon the Fundamental Rights of the People.
I will add a fourth in proving the Fundamental pre-existing Right to Bear Arms long prior to the founding of America and NY, but not reach to the Bible.
4, The English Bill of Rights 1689.
You seek to alter well established history Sir! I recommend a change of your Treasonous Ways and thoughts.
I am done with the sophistry of the Lawyer Aristocracy, and will give neither them nor their progeny quarter.
Report Post »Speak2Truth
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:04pmEncinom – and that’s why the Heller case is so flawed. It recognized an individual Right to keep and bear arms but did NOT recognize the entirety of the Second Amendment that states, unambiguously, that Right shall not be infringed.
The Tenth Amendment clarifies that anything not covered in the Constitution is up to the States, Cities, the People of the States, etc. However, the Right to keep and bear arms that shall not be infringed is covered by the Constitution and is therefore out of reach of all levels of Government.
One cannot yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire. One cannot whip out one’s gun and go on a shooting spree in a “Gun Free Zone” like Columbine High as happened after Clinton gave us that law. The people who commit such wrongs are individually targeted for loss of their Rights while everyone else retains theirs.
As for this particular case … I too packed my firearms and ammunition in my luggage for transport through a New York airport. TSA asked me to show them, which I did, and the Pilot was notified. No further action required. That’s the lawful way to transport them.
Either he made a mistake like leaving a loaded magazine in the gun or they’re targeting him for who he is.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:17pm@mrsalvage2
‘that was a very tratorous and treasonous thing you present. ”
Huh, guess you are just another fringe loon holding onto their guns and god. Holmes just happens to be one of the must repected Justices to sit on the Court, his opinions carry much weight. Of course your use of the term “Lawyer Aristocracy” just how far fringe you are. No right is absolute. Reasonable restrictions can be applied.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 2:32am@Encinom – Well, showing your true colors we see.
You have no substance, you worship the mere words of Men, cannot properly and acurately associate facts, mix apples and oranges, and then stoop to Alinskyite argument.
The reality is this and only this in regards to regulation of Rights. Such is TREASON, plain and simple.
Your misrepresent punishment for abuse of Rights with a need for Regulation of Rights.
You provide that Regulation somehow prohibits the abuse of Rights.
Such is not true. Additionally, Rights reap a punishment only when there is a Common Law crime resulting from the exercise of RIghts. Rights naturally stop in the face of and at the lines of property/separation of another person.
Your example is illegitimate and fraudulent intellectualism at its worst, for in your example of Argument there is no crime until there is Common Law damages where the Right was exercised outside of the scope of the Private individual. Concealed Carry v. Brandishing
In this present day where the President is about to establish Martial Law for the frst time since the Civil War, where the lamestream media is now discussing the fact that a law will cause censorship of the internet, children are suspended from school for having Bibles, praying, pretenting to pray, and wearing American Flags on their T-Shirts, someone like me is a loon.
Who’da Thunk!
You had better look around one more time, the place will not be the same next time ou pull your head out of
Report Post »DOCMMV
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amHmmm…the right of the people…….keep and bear……not be infringed.
Report Post »Am I the only one that sees an infringement? I find it interesting that the founder who developed the Bill of Rights could very well have said, “shall not be denied”, which would leave the door open for varying degrees of restriction provided they didn’t equate to a complete denial. Or even better, they could have said, “shall not be prohibited” as they have already used the term “prohibiting” in the prior Amendment. No, they chose “infringed” which encompasses any and all attempts by government to interfere with a persons capacity to own and/or carry weaponry. What the heck are we so afraid of?
SamIamTwo
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:43amProblem is that the “law” can vary from state to state and from county to county…then you have the federal law.
To many laws cause a society to break down. JIMHO
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:05pmForget the word infringed. Look at the PREAMBLE to the Bill of Rights
“Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.”
We have not even gotten into West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette and how no RIghts can be reached (which the homos have used, and they have no right to that in the English Bill).
And this happend i
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:07pmand this happend in NY where the BOR was finally adopted
Report Post »semby
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:20pmNew York and New Jersey do not enforce or live within the Constitution; they enforce their own, contrary laws. Having been some of the first states in the Union, they are practically their own countries. And in denial about it, too!
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:42pmYour right, the 2nd like the 1st amendment right is an individual natural right, that cannot be infringed by any level of government.
Report Post »Jomil48
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amThis is exactly why there is need nationwide to honor a carry permit issued in another state. When I go on vacation to Virgina’s eastern shore from Pennsylvania, I have to stop at the Maryland state line and lock my weapon up in trunk, then stop again at the Virginia state line and retreive it. Sounds like they just did a gottcha on Mr. Meckler.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:09pmYes, the ammunition was supposed to be in a separate locked container.
You have a Right, which is supposed to be as breathing, but only when the Lawyer Aristocracy says so, they tell you you can breathe but only once every 2 minutes.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:15pmThe Permit is the PREAMBLE to the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment.
But the Gun ORgs and the People think that they have to play the Lawyer Aristocracies Game, whereas the Lawyer Aristocracy has remoed the PREAMBLE from the Law Books that they Learn and PRactice from at the Federal Level. (See; WestGroup’s Book of Title 28, FRCP, FRAP, USSCt Rules, Habeas Corpues Rules, Constitution, and Bill of Rights.)
Ignoring the PREAMBLE has given them the belief that they ahve a Right to reinterpret the word
“Infringed”.
Yet, the case of West Virginia Board of Educaton v, Barnette reveals that they have no right to Tresspass in any way, by any Vote, of any Office, of any Body, of any justification, EVER. Any includes State and Local Legislative Bodies.
DING! NEXT VICTIM!
You are either a Totalitarianist or a Patriot. That explains why one Rep, Candidate does not speak as a Totalitarian and rejects it in all forms.
Report Post »Rightwingnut
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:34amJust another reason not to go to any state like New York. Another reason not to fly unless you really have to. Express your rights with your wallet, do go to and spend your money in states that do not allow you to protect yourself. Come and visit us in Florida! Carry your gun (except at Disney) and protect you and your family!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amSo true … I only travel to states that will respect my rights as a lawful citizen and never by air .. not until the TSA and Obama are gone. I too live in Flordia ..
TEA!
Report Post »travlman77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:46amI’ve got one better, a friend of mine from Texas was arrested in New Jersey on felony firearm possession for having a BB gun. In NJ, BB guns, slingshots and blow guns are considered “firearms”
Report Post »NYHuguenot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:00amAgreed! When I have to fly I usually have to layover at Midway in Chicago. I bring something to eat and get water from the fountain because I will not spend one dime in Chicago.
Report Post »Rubicon12
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:33amFederal charges for violating a city law?
AvengerK
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:40amCommerical air travel comes under Federal Jurisdiction. Meckler should have checked ahead or hired a body guard for the flight if he has been threatened in the past. I’m sure his lawyers can hash it out for him.
Sibyl
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:31amHe needs a GOOD ACLJ LAWYER to sue the you know what out of them.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:30amBunch of BULL
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:34amI agree …
Report Post »lylee
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:29amCould it be that Mr. Meckler is being “targeted”?
Report Post »Sibyl
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:34amYes, just like Louisiana, Alabama, Arizona, Sheriff Joe, Gibson Guitars and others have been targetted for not agreeing with this regime.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:40amAbsolutely .. I bet you will find him on the Obama enemies list. Obama makes Nixon look absolutely sane .. from yesterday….. read this…..
http://patriotupdate.com/15838/obamas-creepy-new-plot-to-get-republican-e-mail-addresses
I sent this link to The Blaze .. but I haven’t seen anything about it posted.
Report Post »WestTexasCountryBoy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:51amIt is ok to let ‘guns walk’ into Mexico, but don‘t have one in a ’Locked box’ in checked bag and declare such.
Report Post »Spent 10 weeks on Manhattan once upon a time, New York City does not have gravity, it just ‘SUCKS’.
Will never go back there!
lobo2525
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:29amSo He Informed the the airport that he had a gun in a locked gun box (which is what you do as there is a sign saying that)………………….And he was arrested……………. We are a bannana republic
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:29amImagine if you were jailed in another state because your understanding of “free speech” 1st amendment rights weren’t in line with that states special rules . Wouldn’t happen .So why are different states allowed to infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights in this manner ?
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:36amBecause the Marxocrats, Holder, and BHO have declared war on that right.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:42amIt does happen.
The 1st Amendment is just a trampled as the Second for those who dare to look into all of the regulations regarding speech (See: PA Case of Pap’s Candyland v. City of Erie), and then all of the tests regarding Commercial Speech, and then Political Speech, and then the fact that the Courts will deem speech regarding government and law to be Commercial Speech and not look at the evidence in case like 3rd Cir U.S. v. Bell. even flat out denying the elements of the pleadings before the Court.
Both Amendments are a Cruel Hoax.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:28pm@JROOK
Report Post »I am not particularly doubtful regarding his motives. That is the way that such issues are brought to the courts. That is, in essence, the way that Roe v. Wade got there.
I have revisited my previous comment, and do not anywhere see that I referred to the Roe v. Wade decision as a ‘fraud’. Perhaps you can point that out. I merely implied that the certain killing (do you have a more palatable term?) of 3000 babies (‘fetuses’, if that makes you more comfortable) every day strikes me as less civilized than the harmless transportation of a properly secured gun by a properly trained and permitted person. On the other hand, perhaps I am merely a neanderthal.
JRook
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:27amCan you say staged. He obviously knows exactly what he is doing and decided to push the situation to get a test case. Like this is not as obvious as the absurd anti-choice laws being proposed, and passed in some neanderthal states, to get Row v. Wade re-heard.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amRoe v. Wade was a fraud as there was no standing for the case to exist, for the child had alread been born and thus there was no controversy before the court.
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:43amDid you even read the article? The guy declared it, he wasn’t testing anything. The thing is why was he held in jail for day when it states others just pay a fine for the exact same thing?
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:43amLet’s see,
Report Post »Babies killed by abortionist every day; approximately 3,000.
Babies killed by permitted gun owners with the gun unloaded and locked in a case; 0
Yup, JROOK, you’re occupying the moral high ground all right. ‘Neanderthal’, indeed…
JRook
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:53pm@RightThinking1 If he is a law biding citizen who travels then one would think he would know the gun laws. The key to his motive rests with the comment by his lawyer. Let’s see what happens from here. As far as Roe v. Wade being a fraud, i guess it is no more a fraud than any other Supreme Court decision so really not sure what your point is. As far as the statistics they are irrelevant as woman choosing within the confines of Roe v. Wade mean that no babies were killed.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:14pmWOW JROOK
So I guess you are OK with the whole “Congress / Insider Trading” thingy.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 4:55pm“Chirp” “Chirp” “Chirp”
Report Post »lightfollowsdarkness
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:27amWhat in the world?! If he declared that he had a gun at the front, why is he facing potentially 15 years of jail time?! I understand that his permit was for California, but if it was seriously a simple misunderstanding, why is he getting 15 years, when others who do more SERIOUS crimes are let off so easy?!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:30amBecause the police state wants you disarmed. Period.
And they’ll have their little kept jury convict this man, too.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38amHow can anyone do something as serious as transport a gun and not look into the laws. Especially someone who is so strongly in favor of State rights and jurisdiction, he more than most would know there are differences between states.
Report Post »lightfollowsdarkness
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:59amV-Man Face: That is so sad. :( I really hope that they don’t convict him.
Report Post »lildrummerboy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:07pm…and if he doesn’t do jail time, he will more than likely lose his permit and forfeit any future opportunities to get one. I’m thinking they will make an example of him and he might do time. They kill two birds with one stone. They lock up a tea partier and show what a violent gun toting redneck lawbreaker he is,smearing the tea party and more ammo(bad pun) against gun rights…this is all BAD!
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:25pmBecause the Totalitarianist Lawyer Aristocracy needs to make an example of all Patriot Leaders.
The Obomber is about to sign the statutory impostioon of Martial. The time to take sides has finally come:
Totalitarianist Petulent Slave = Materialistic Prostitution – covetously take the Mark of the Beast
or
Patriot = Spiritualism – trust G-D and HIS WORD/GOSPEL
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:27amThe Marxocrats are after the Tea Party. Can’t wait to hear the STATE media propaganda on this.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:43amShould be an interesting “tale” … how he went into the airport .. guns blazing. The MSM is Obama‘s BFF’s.
Report Post »hud
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:25amAnyone going into a cesspool should have a gun, at least it gives you a chance even if the odds are long.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:25amI wonder what Barney Frank is up to?
Report Post »drago
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 2:13pm@Bikerr
Report Post »His ass in pr!cks?
HorseCrazy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:23amoh good so a legal gun owner gets to spend a night in jail for declaring his legal gun. backwards world we live in. Heaven forbid we defend ourselves or have the ability to do so. Hope the NRA’s effort to allow licensed carriers to be recognized in other states works.
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:29amIt was not a legal gun. Medical marijuana is legal in California, but if I was stooped in New York and declared I had it on me, I would be arrested.
Report Post »AirtechJr
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:32amThis is a prime example for national reciprocity.
Report Post »During his 8 hr Ca. CCW course I am sure he was informed of the differing laws he must research. But, he is a tea party member. That means they MUST make an example of him.
If it were Princess Pelosi, it would be autographs all around and “I cleaned your gun for you, welcome to New York”
hud
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:06pmHas it crossed anyone’s mind that the only way to make it through the legal jungle we live in is to travel with a law firm of at least 100 lawyers versed in every sector of law.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:35pmYes HUD, their multituge and myriad of Rules are all violations of the Fundamental Law to which all powers are subject to and restrained by (West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette).
To Hell with the whole Lawyer Aristrocracy.
Wat Tyler Revolt! Magna Carta Article 61!
Report Post »ConservativeCharlie
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:23amjust wait, indefinate detentions are around the corner for many Tea Partiers. We are probably just one emergency or disaster away.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:39pmThe Time has come, and only the Lawyer Aristocracy has brought America to this end, now you must choose, you are a petulent compliant and covetous Totarlitarianist as we have been taught to be since FDR, or are you a Jeffersonian-Madisonian Patriot?
On your knees, or on your feet?
Mark of the Beast, or Gospel of Yeshua ben Yosef (grk. JESUS CHRIST)
Report Post »NC
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:23amWhat a spin this will get on the evening news. Much like the spin that Obama is taking for allowing open carry in the National Parks. GWB signed an executive order before leaving office allowing open carry in the National Parks. Obama has him credited with the passage on his website, thus making him “pro-gun”.
I can now open carry a S&W .38 while riding in the National Parks, instead of hiding it in the saddle bags like everyone else does)
NC
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:26amI have always just carried mine regardless. I will not be in danger because some government parasite decides I can’t defend myself. better safe in jail then dead. around my area it is pretty easy to stumble upon grow operations in the forests while out riding.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:21amhe was “in temporary transit through the State of New York in possession of an unloaded, lawful firearm,” and that Mr. Meckler had been fully compliant with all laws
I’m sure MSDNC will make sure its the first point they mention on this news.
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:44amThe main stream media will most likely make it sound like he was apprehended just before his planned hijacking of an airplane.
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