Teachers Upset Over Elementary Students Reciting Pledge of Allegiance in English and Spanish
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Teachers in a California school district are reportedly upset over the longstanding practice of having elementary students recite the Pledge of Allegiance everyday in both English and Spanish. (AP File Photo)
Teachers in a California school district are upset over the district’s longstanding practice of having elementary students recite the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in both English and Spanish, KGET-TV in Bakersfield reported.
Reciting the Pledge in both languages has been the practice for elementary schools at Lamont School District since 2002, according to the station. The city is 97 percent Hispanic, and 35 percent of elementary students are taught in a bilingual program where instruction is half in English, half in Spanish.
“I think you offer a great way for students to feel included, and it’s the Pledge of Allegiance, no greater honor than to be able to say the Pledge of Allegiance in a second language,” Fred Molina, the principal of Alicante School, told the station.
But not all teachers agree: Barry Champagne told the station there has been no opportunity to meaningfully discuss the way the district has students recite the Pledge.
“One of the issues with it being in Spanish is that not everyone got a chance to voice their opinion doing it that way. Every time it was brought up for discussion, it was set aside and we never got a chance to democratically vote for it or even discuss it any further,” Champagne said.
Lamont Assistant Superintendent Ricardo Robles told the station this was the first he’s heard of complaints about the matter.
“We haven’t had any complaints from anyone about this issue,” Robles said. “We feel it’s a very positive thing for our district, for our students, for our community.”
Robles said he plans to meet with teachers to discuss whether any specific changes should be made.
Robert Price, an opinion writer for the Bakersfield Californian, defended the bilingual recitation in a column Saturday, writing that it’s important to have kids recite the Pledge in a way they understand, lest it becomes “just a string of random syllables one utters before one takes a seat.”
“[H]ere, in Lamont, we have children pledging their allegiance in a way they can grasp, in a ritual of patriotic commitment carried out by virtually all other American children,” Price wrote. “But that’s not good enough: Kern County demands conformity over comprehension, or what passes for comprehension at that age.”
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Comments (247)
phillipwgirard
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:39pmMore BS, This is America, assimilate or get the he11 out. I’m so sick of us having to accept everyone elses ways. The friggin thing was written in English for an English speaking America. and I don’t press 1 for English anymore, i just hang up and don’t bother… it‘s fine that they don’t want to lose their culture, but don’t cram your culture down my throat, less I spit at you, sorry about the angry tone, but too much already,,,Phil
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:50pmDiversity will be our downfall but all these loser politicians love/tout their diversity (while they live in white-bread neighborhoods and send their kids to mostly white private schools).
The balkanization of America is coming soon…
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:10pmIt’s here already, and i despise it. forgive me.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:21pm@PHIL – Forgive you? No way in hell! I congratulate you! It’s time we show our anger with the Anti-American things that happen IN AMERICA.
I assure you that you are not the Lone Ranger.
Report Post »SoiledDove
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:41pmAnti-American? Did we read the same story? What is more American that pledging allegiance to our flag?
Would you rather a child who is learning English say the pledge in a language he or she understands, or in English a language he or she does not yet fully comprehend? What is more meaningful to the child?
Report Post »sparks200
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:26amWait, soon you will have to press 2 for English….
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:32am@SoiledDove They should learn English and recite it in English. If they don’t yet understand the words, then to dang bad. It’s not that hard to learn this short pledge. If they can’t speak English yet, they should still stand up, put their hand on their heart, shut the heck up, and within a few weeks or days, say it in English! If then can learn to sing along to a Justin Bieber song, they sure as heck can learn to say the pledge.
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:19amAt least they are saying the US Pledge and not the Mexican Pledge.
I guess thats the silver lining here. I would prefer it being said in english only though.
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:34amYoungBloodNews
Diversity is a blessing.
Un assimilated diversity will be our down fall. We should appreciate what legal immigrants from different cultures bring to our nation. They have differnent ways of looking at things and that is healthy for us to grow as a nation.
But at the end of the day they need to be honored and proud to call themselves Americans and embrace our culture and norms. Not the other way around.
As far as illegal immigrants go,we need to seal the border first and then sort out what we have here.
It’s easy to say send them all south and that will be that. But that solution is much esier said than done.
I suggest that once the border is sealed a statute of limitations needs to be placed on the crime of entering the country illegally. Lets say 10 years or more. So if they are here and can prove they arrive more than ten years ago, have commited no other crimes since arriving, and are acively participating in society, an immigration judge should determine if their status could change to legal immigrant. Issue them a green card and allow a probationary period before allowing them to be naturalized.
Those that have been in and out of jails should be deported and never allowed to return.
Report Post »Mustangrider
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:54amPrecisely Phillip, If the Mexican culture was so wonderful then why are they coming here? The truth is they are fleeing the most corrupt culturally violent countries in the western hemisphere, so why do they bring that same culture here if they are seeking a better way of life.
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:39pmNow DRAGO, really, tell us what you really mean. Just kidding if you didn’t get it. But I agree with you in what you said.
Report Post »Californiasodbuster
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:35pmLamont, Ca. is the arm pit of the world, you’re a stranger in a strange land, when driving through that town.
Report Post »VintageChick
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:35pmCalifornia is a lost cause. I live in Maryland and recently had to call the the district attorney’s office in Sacramento, CA. I was floored when their recorded message began by asking the caller to press “2” for English! I was momentarily stunned. We really should consider selling California back to Mexico.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:15amI live in Maryland too. We better be careful and stop this here also. We have a large illegal immigration population taking over our neighborhoods and jobs. They will not assimilate and they are divisive. One look into their “Latin communities” proves this.
Report Post »Agnes
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:35pmI totally agree with you!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:34pmSorry amigos, pero este es los estados unidos y hablamos aquí ingles.
So, here we say our Pledge of Allegiance in English.
In Mexico or in other Latin American countries, you say your pledge in Spanish or Portuguese.
If you are living in our country, you say OUR pledge in OUR native language, which is English.
If we live in your country, we learn your pledge in your language.
Get off the Spanish aquí~ señoritas, señoritos, sras y srs.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:19pmSo why are you using Spanish here?
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:14am@Al J Zira
Report Post »She is a teacher that claims to be a cut above the rest of us, thats why.
another_mormon_4_Ron_Paul
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:21pmWell, I have a couple of takes on this. As a Spanish teacher I always think it would be nice to have the kids memorize something in Spanish. When I taught at a Catholic school, I had them memorize their prayers in Spanish. At a public school, I don’t see much wrong with having my Spanish students memorize the Pledge in Spanish for extra credit, especially since all the schools I have been at don’t have the students recite the Pledge at all. Having them memorize it in Spanish also helps them focus on the words and their meaning a little bit more. And the news article said this is a bi-lingual school where students are learning their subjects in both languages, so I see it as less of a beef. Now if this were a typical all-English school, I could see the beef. Before you jump up and down and scream and holler about something, double-check the environment where it is happening. By the way, I am tri-lingual. I also speak Japanese and it has nothing to do with my ethnic background. I learned these languages by CHOICE.
Report Post »Findalis
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:30pmThey have to learn their lessons in both languages since California is stupid enough to insist that children not be taught English.
As a Veteran and CITIZEN I find this insulting to those who died for this nation.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:52pmI checked out my environment after reading your post, it was America.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:29pmyou name says it all, just like RP it’s open the gates and let the illeagal in.
Report Post »dangmc
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:07amI also learned a foreign language by choice! (Spanish) If you teach a Spanish class as an elective subject, of course you should feel free to also teach the culture of what ever country you are interested in. Nowhere else in an American school should our pledge of allegiance be recited in a foreign language. Multiculturalism is destroying our nation just as it is in so many parts of Europe. Very few if any other nations would permit even a small portion of the abuse of their religious and cultural tenets as we do. I wonder what would happen to me if I go to Mexico and burn their flag, of maybe wipe my fundament with it as was done in Phoenix recently? In public?
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:16pmThe city is 97% Hispanic. IN AMERICA. That is the problem. How many of those people have a legal right to even be in this country and then the school district caters to them allowing our pledge to be spoken in Spanish.
Another insult to Americans, whether born here or naturalized. People this has got to stop.
another_mormon_4_Ron_Paul
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:28pmPeople who are shunned tend to stick together. If you welcome neighbors of all different kinds of backgrounds and languages, they are more likely to integrate into mainstream society, which is what you want, right? Instead of getting mad at people who can’t speak English, talk slowly and keep the sentences simple while they are learning. Remember your two years of required high school language? Do you think learning another language is easy? No, it’s not, and English is one of the hardest languages to learn. Just thank your lucky stars you grew up speaking English and didn’t have to learn it as an outsider.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:20pm“People who are shunned tend to stick together. If you welcome neighbors of all different kinds of backgrounds and languages, they are more likely to integrate into mainstream society.”
And Lamont, CA. has been so hostile towards Latino immigrants that its Mexican population is now that of 97%! Wow, your argument really makes a lot of sense. You are so right! No wonder they haven’t bothered learning the English language- their neighbors have been so inhospitable.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:28pmAnotherMormon…………These people aren’t shunned. They should be but they are not being shunned. They are invading our land and insisting on remaining whatever nationality they are. They are not American and we can not afford them to take care of them anymore.
This is America. Come here legally, abide by our laws, learn and use English……..is that too much to ask?
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:33pm@Another
Report Post »your name should be Another_Moron_For _Ron_Paul
colt1860
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:40amWell, that their kids can‘t speak Spanish only proves that it’s a town of full of illegal aliens. There’s no way that many people would all legally come here not knowing some English.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:46pm@ THEREALCONSERVATIVE
So true!
Report Post »notreally
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:16pmIn America today:
Discrimination against white males is equal rights for all.
Religious symbols on public property is the establishment of a state religion.
Giving civil trials to terrorists who want us dead is equal protection under the law.
Granting mortgages to people who don’t have a dime in their pockets is social justice.
Government spending us into bankruptcy won’t lead to bankruptcy.
Teaching our kids that Amerika is evil is a good education.
Marriage between same sex, transsexuals and, eventually, between sheep, dogs and other non-humans and humans (that’s where liberal nihilism must, logically, lead) has always been acceptable in all cultures, throughout written history.
Socialism is what the Founders sought in the Constitution.
Opening the borders enhances border security.
And now, expecting Americans to speak a few paragraphs in English in dedication to the American ideal is discrimination.
Those who control the meaning of words control the future.
And we are supposed to keep our mouths shut.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:10pmFrom the article: “The city is 97 percent Hispanic…”
I found that difficult to believe so I looked up the US Census for 2010 and found that 45.5% of Bakersfield’s residents are of Hispanic or Latino origin.
I’m sure there are cities in Mexico or Central America that have less than 97% Hispanic population, so that large number left me quite curious.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:10pmIf they were interested in being included, they would speak English. Otherwise, they can go back to Mexico and use those weapons Obama gave them and overthrow their government.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:20pmAt least they are saying the pledge. Any language is acceptable as long as they are allowed to say it. I have more of a problem with the majority of schools who don’t say the pledge at all. Cudos to this school for doing it double.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:06pmGOD BLAST US!!
WHEN will people finally understand, AMERICA has the ENGLISH language as our language; learn it well and soon, forget enough of this PC garbage, enough is enough already.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:05pmIf I wanted to move to Mexico and become a citizen, then I would learn their pledge in Spanish. They come here and it needs to be English dammit!
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:17pmIf you moved to Mexico you wouldn’t cite the American pledge of allegiance at all… Not in English or Spanish.
Report Post »Just A Private
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:20pmRead the comment a little slower SACRED…..
Report Post »Liberty7
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:05pmJust another nail in the coffin towards the balkanization of America. This is just another example of why it is so important that we make English the official language of the United States.
California is a lost cause. If my memory is correct, I remember reading that the ballots to vote for President in 2000 were written in over sixty different languages in California. So sad.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:03pmAnd, if the teachers think THIS is THE prescient Democratic issue in education today, they must be sleeping through their teacher’s meetings, and union meetings!
WHAT DEMOCRATIC CONSIDERATION of the parents and taxpayers is displayed by the autocratic demands made, both in wages and benefits, AND in curriculum content, and school and classroom administration? DO THEY THINK FIRST OF THE STUDENTS, AND PARENTS, or is their REAL AIM for ME, ME, ME?
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:02pmAssistant Superintendant Ricardo Robles has heard NO complaints.The principal Fred Molina thinks it’s a GREAT way to honor the country
NOT….you imbecile Molina! NOT!
American citizens are idiots!
We did this to ourselves.
WAKE UP! Take a stand. Do something! Do something!
IDIOT PROGRESSIVES are in charge!
Why do we tolerate this bastardization of our country?! WHY?!
Is it because we cannot believe that it is happening?
IT IS! WAKE UP!!!!!!
Call your Congressmen! Call your Senators! Be outraged! Do SOMETHING!!!!!!!
Another post from Wonderland. Down is up. Up is down. We’re painting the roses red.
Report Post »And as the Cheshire Cat says….,”We’re ALL mad here.
JQCitizen
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:57pmAs long as they are learning it in BOTH languages ACCURATELY, AND LEARNING IT’S MEANING, I don’t think the bi-ligual recitation hurts a thing!
But if it is part of a bigger bi-lingual education plan that skirts around making sure ALL students are fluent in english, then I think it is a dis-service to both hispanic students, and the nation.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:25pmI wholly disagree with your point of view. While the US has yet to declare a national language, English is not only the de facto language of this country, but one must learn to read, write, and speak basic English to become a citizen. This is enough to, logically, require that ONLY English be used in ALL government institutions- whether its spoken or written. This includes our educational system with the exception of foreign languages be taught as an ELECTIVE! To require school students to say the US pledge of allegiance in ANY other language other than English demises the legitimacy of our nations sovereignty. And confuses the immigrants, coming here, that learning English is not necessary.
Now- that said, I realize that California is the only state of the union having made both English and Spanish their official state languages. And therefore, educators do have a valid argument with respect to this story. But, as an American, I believe that this issue is so important to the sovereignty of the country that it should not even be a state issue. It should be a requirement to a part of the union as a whole- that the country has one official language- English. Thus- this is an issue that we must rectify with our next president. We should demand that the US declare an official language and hold every state accountable if they don’t comply.
Report Post »MetalPatriot
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:45am@Silo
100% in agreement with you.
Above a person said his students said they would breed “us” out. I’ve heard that in person & witness it locally. I’ve noticed that since Glenn had the teacher supporting La Raza on the old Fox show that the La Raza stickers have been vanishing off the cars…less brown pride stickers too.
A blogger above put a link to La Raza with comments about their takeover.
There is a large population of what I’ll call “Extremist Hispanics”. Rebuilding the Aztec empire, drug cartels, gangs, excessive breeding vs income/education levels, forcing businesses & schools to accomodate Spanish.
What’s disgusting is that there have been SO DAMN MANY more than honorable Vets that have Hispanic genes that have died for the U.S. & what it stands for. I’m white, and hold many of these guys as heros…same with the black Airborne division in WWII & all those who have integrated & serve now in a capacity that I myself am not honorable or fit enough to do…same with Americans of Asian and any other gene pool.
There is an extremist/racist group that is willing, able, & so far successfully doing what they believe is “taking back what’s theirs.” They WANT a race war. The WANT to breed everybody (all colors) out. They WANT to collapse our systems.
We have so many enemies and seriously need to realize that true Americans are all colors…WE have to fight together against extremists.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:56pm“Robert Price, an opinion writer for the Bakersfield Californian, defended the bilingual recitation in a column Saturday, writing that it’s important to have kids recite the Pledge in a way they understand, lest it becomes “just a string of random syllables one utters before one takes a seat.”
Are you freaking kidding me, ROBERT PRICE?!” Isn’t it the point of the education in the first place to TEACH kids how to read and write the English language- hmmm? If the teachers are teaching the kids how to read and write in English, then WHY would their be a need to recite the pledge in ANY other language?
Just love the liberal arguments- only makes sense to themselves!
Report Post »chips1
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:14pm“Just a string of random syllables”? Isn’t that the way our politicians think of it?
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:28pmFor now-
But, we must change those in Washington. I am not a Paul supporter, but I sure did like his comment during last night‘s debate that politician’s should be MORE concerned over the oath they took to get into office.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:55pmWow, that city is 97 percent hispanic. I knew they bred like Cane Toads but that stat shocked me
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:57pmWonder how many of the 97% are illegals.
Report Post »Agnes
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:38pmThere is a particular school in Chicago with 1500 students; 97% receive free lunch; 3% receive reduced lunch and absolutely NOT ONE student pay for lunch. Do you want to guess the nationality of these students?
Report Post »larry25427
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:54pmThis is America and we speak Englisdh here. If you want to speak spanish go to Mexico but don’t do it here. If the schools taught in English only we would save half of our school budget. Being an American is more than having your feet on our soil. Our country is America and others should learn to use what is ours not us learning what is theirs.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:01pmSounds like Mr. Fred Molina never assimilated to the American culture. Why should we expect him to encourage the children in his charge to do what he never did.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:25pm“ American culture”
Report Post »We have no culture…unless you mean the culture of whining and complaining about everything and doing nothing to improve things. That is what American culture has become. Everybody getting offended over every little thing.
BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:39pm@Hidden Lion-
I am referring to the American Culture that use to exist, not this political correctness and the “lets celebrate multiculturalism” mentality that exists today. I am old enough to remember a time when being patriotic for this country was a “dam” good thing.
Report Post »Larry Sheldon
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:43pm“we speak Englisdh”
Really?
Some of us speak English–A lot of folk around here speak German (or something derived from it), some speak Danish (note the English-speakers capitalize the names of languages like Spanish). There are lots of folks whose families have been here since before there was a USA who speak Lakota, Navajo, and Spanish.
And of course there a lot of us who “speak” Ameslan.
I think we make a serious mistake in focusing on what language we use. I have some sympathy (but not a lot) for conducting official business in one language, and requiring fluency in English road signs and such makes sense, or did before we abandoned all languages in favor of ambiguous pictoglyphs.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 6:11pm@Larry-
My question to you is, how many of the other nationalities that you mentioned speak their native language but also speak English? My ancestors came here in the mid 1700′s from Germany. They spoke German, but they learned English. In fact, it was once required to be able to speak English before you were allowed to enter the US.
The point is- we have to have a sense of conformity otherwise it would just be chaos. The English language IS the de facto language of this country. AND- you have to read, write, and speak the English language as part of the requirement to become a legal citizen. Like it or not, albeit informal, the US has declared a national language- English. Our educators should (as it benefits themselves) to promote English, and exclude all others, to be used in the public school system. Of course, unless they like the chaos that is indicative of trying to promote and use many languages as opposed to only one.
Just because most people want one official language, at the exclusion of others, doesn’t mean that they are against that language, culture, or nationality. They just want conformity and simplicity.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:53pmMaybe they should just learn Chinese already.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:52pmNews flash: if recited mindlessly as a tedious ritual that has to be gotten through every morning, it soon becomes a “random string of syllables” even in one’s own language.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:38pmSo can prayer or communion, it’s up to the individual to make it meaningful. It doesn‘t mean we shouldn’t do these things.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:49pmENGLISH should be the language in USA!!!…COME HERE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!!!
Report Post »Phantom II
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:44pmWhere ever you hear Spanish in America, you hear rudeness and disrespect. Divide and conquer. What kind of people are these who come to our land and spite us? We are paying for it literally and figuratively.
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 7:47pmI agree with you, but who the hell is going to put a stop to this? The majority wants illegals gone and not sponging off of us, but who can actually step forward and take the first step. They are getting more and more rights by our own politicians whom we have elected. We need to fire them and start over with people who will do the peoples bidding.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 4:43pmWow those that are a cut above the rest of us are at odds with each other.
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