Teen Atheist Behind Prayer Mural Ban Wants Contentious WWI & WWII Cross Removed
- Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:43pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Jessica Ahlquist (left) (AP)
Jessica Ahlquist, the 16-year-old behind the prayer mural ban at Cranston High School West in Cranston, Rhode Island, just can’t seem to keep her name out of the news.
Months after she won her ACLU-led battle, the teenager continues to receive both attention — and threats. While she’s been quiet over the past few weeks regarding her take on atheist demands that a WWI and WWII monument in front of a Woonsocket, Rhode Island, firehouse, be removed, she’s finally speaking out.
(Related: Teen Atheist Behind Prayer Mural Ban Threatened with Rape: ‘We Will Get You — Look Out!’)
Ahlquist, who was initially accused by some of having involvement in her state’s latest battle between atheists, believers and pro-military families, has consistently denied playing a role in the spat. But on Tuesday, she posted a message on her Twitter account that, at the least, clears up her views on the Christ-inspired memorial.
She wrote, “This should settle some of the confusion around the Woonsocket memorial controversy. I now support its removal.” Along with her message, she shared a link to a blog post purporting to republish an old article about the monument’s initial dedication in the 1920s.
There’s no clear indication why she posted a link to the blog, CautionChurchAhead.com, but in sharing her views on the matter, she has certainly opened herself up to further criticism. Ahlquist’s tweet means that she is joining the chorus of atheists who view the cross as a form of discrimination being waged against them.
As previously reported, the Christian cross, which was built in Woonsocket back in 1921, is causing a great deal of angst among secularists who stand firmly opposed to its presence on public property. Taking on even more significance beyond WWI, the monument was re-dedicated back in 1952 to honor three fallen WWII soldiers who lived in the area and has since been a public statement of remembrance.
Image Credit: ABC6
In a April 13 letter sent from the FFRF to Leo Fontaine, the city’s mayor, FFRF staff attorney Rebecca Markert called the presence of the cross “unconstitutional” and claimed that a concerned citizen made the group aware of its presence.
Supporters of the monument, though, are fighting back and defying the request. Earlier this month, more than 1,000 people assembled in support of the religious symbol and the veterans it represents. The city of Woonsocket, too, has setup a war memorial fund to collect monies if, indeed, a legal battle ensues.
(H/T: WPRO)
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phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:01pmi know what will make every Christian happy. let’s replace the Bald Eagle with the Cross as the US official symbol. maybe we can put a cross on top of the White House. and while we’re at it, replace “in God we trust” with “in Jesus we trust”. after all, we’re a Christian Nation, right? RIGHT???
Brizz
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:07pmThanks for proving my point from my earlier comment.
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:11pmIf that were true, It would already have been done. About 3/4 of Americans are Christians. We could do that if we wanted.
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:13pmWell, gee, if you had your way, there’d be a nice big statue or portrait of Chairman Mao up, right?
One trick pony. If you atheists are such bad arse types, why do you whine like such victims? Seriously, atheists in control, did so much good in Russia. What, only 40 million dead, right? Cambodia, Pol Pot’s killing fields…. China, 65 Million and counting since the Commies took over….. Or maybe a more enlightened land of godless, like the French, who are being taken over…..
Theocracy on the other hand, is bad. See Iran on that one……
Report Post »Angie
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:14pmHave you ever gotten any help for your “religiphobia”. To descriminate and use that horrible hateful language. . . . . Isn’t descrimination morally wrong? Oh, whoops. . .I guess the “religiphobes” can bypass the moral part. Never mind. Stick with the hate.
Report Post »mullet
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:14pmHAHA! You read an article where an atheist is demanding religious symbols be banned and claim Christians are forcing religion on the United States? Please, if you really claim “reason” to be your god, you should use a little in your posts.
Report Post »MSSoldier
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:15pmWow! The ignorance of the left never ceases to amaze. Where do you see christians asking for this? I’m sorry you equate freedom OF religion with freedom FROM religion, but these monuments are not hurting you, nor will they burn you if you touch them. I respect your right not to believe, why can’t you respect my right to believe?
Report Post »ZenJedi
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:16pmI am all for that if it will make you GTFO of this country and leave everything the way you found it. What an Assw!Pe you are!!!
Report Post »WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:19pmSomeone’s coming unhinged…
RIGHT!@?@?!?!?@!?%$?%@!%!
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:19pmAbsolutely We are a Christian Nation. You sir don’t know our heritage.
A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns. -Mario Puzo
The proof -
“Religion is of general and public concern and on its proper support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS THE EASTABLISHED RELIGION, and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.” Samuel Chase,- signor of Declaration of Independence & Supreme Court Justice
“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington
A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. -Theodore Roosevelt
“It is religion and MORALITY alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” John Adams
The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles. John Adams
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” T. Jefferson
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:21pmTOM – no you couldn’t. Church/State issues are not up for public referendum. we’ve got this whole Constitution thing that prevents that from happening. this is not a majority rules country.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:21pmTomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:11pm
If that were true, It would already have been done. About 3/4 of Americans are Christians. We could do that if we wanted.
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Spoken like a true Christian Facist. What don’t the Blazers speak the truth, come out of the closet and say that they want to trash the Constitution and replace the Republic with a Theocracy.
LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:25pm@phillyatheist
Actually, those are great suggestions! See, I would rather see a cross on the flag and “In Jesus We Trust” printed on money OVER THE HAMMER AND SICKLE AND IN OBAMA WE TRUST.
Atheist make me sick, especially those from my favorite city.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:26pm@PHILLYATHEIST
Are you advocating for the removal of ALL religious symbols?
What about zodiacs? Buddhist sayings? All birds, reptiles and natural symbols used by ancient cultures?
What a sad world that would be!!
We are a nation that was founded on Christian principles. I suppose you could argue that, but any historian familiar with Columbus‘ diary or George Washington’s letters might disagree.
Report Post »Kwikbob
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:27pmRight on PA and you know what, you know what else . . .I‘m offended every time I’m called CROSS-eyed. When is the ACLU, or you going to stand up for us Straight Eye Challenged? Come on everybody stand up for the SEC! I mean, like oh my (insert non-religious, or secularist point of exclamation here) stop picking on me with your beliefs!
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:27pm@ PhillyA– before spouting off about something, perhaps you should learn a bit about it first. You’re just parading your ignorance and stupidity in front of the world. For what it’s worth, Jesus and God are the same since Jesus said He and the Father are One.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:27pm@Phillynumbnuts
And where do you think the founders got their inspiration from when they wrote the constitution?
GOD, you nitwit.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:29pm@encinom
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH…christian fascist.BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Again, brought nothing of significance to the table. Have a nice day.
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:32pm@ENCINOM
Report Post »Still not gaining much traction here, I see. Pathetic!
phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:33pmi’m not going to fight with you people. it’s a lost cause. you claim it’s a Christian Nation – i’m not going to change your mind. i too can quote the Founders and their take on religion, and in particular, Christianity. i’m not going to bother getting into a quote mining fight to try to convince you.
you folks hate Atheists, yet you have no idea how many are in your pews and leading your congregations. Atheism doesn’t mean Communism. Atheists aren’t scared of touching religious symbols, and we certainly aren’t afraid to point out where your beliefs FAIL. your religion does not make you immune from criticism. and in a case such as this, the law is on our side. some “activist” judge will once again rule in favor of secularism, and you guys will all be whining about how your religion is being trampled upon. even though it’s not.
Report Post »FREDINOHIO
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:36pmNo, Philly, you don’t know what Christians want. Atheists don’t know what Christians want any more than Christians Know whatAtheists want. As a Christian (that is, someone that tries to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ) I will attempt to enlighten you. It’s actually very simple and is probably very close to what you want. We simply want to be left alone to worship and believe according to the dictates of our concience. I don‘t care what you do or don’t believe in, if you believe in anything at all. It’s only when atheists (a small minority of the American population, by the way) decides that they are offended by something that has stood for, in this case, 91 years that Christians take issue. That memorial wasn’t an issue untill it was “brought to someones attention”. I can think of no other group of people that are more thin-skinned than atheists, who take offense or exception to all things Christian. What a pathetic way to live the short life you have been blessed with.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:36pmLOOK – i’m sure that you would rather see those things. that’s why i suggested it. make it happen. you’ll be a hero to the indoctrinated all over the US.
i think it’s time for God and his boy Jesus to step into this fight. it seems as though his representatives on Earth are doing a poor job of sticking up for Him. get down here oh Omnipotent One. your followers need you.
oh, and smite me while you’re at it.
one more thing, please Rapture these poor suffering Christians. they’ve waited long enough.
TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:41pmencinom said: “Spoken like a true Christian Facist. What don’t the Blazers speak the truth, come out of the closet and say that they want to trash the Constitution and replace the Republic with a Theocracy.”
Answer: Because I do not want a theocracy. You have taken the exact opposite meaning of my words and attributed them to me. I said if we wanted Christianity forced on everyone, it would have happened because we represent such a powerful force in the electorate. Somehow you twisted the meaning of my words to say the opposite.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:42pm@Philly
“i know what will make every Christian happy.”
It would make this Christian unhappy. We’re a nation founded by Christians that incorporated many Christian principles in our foundation. But we are secular when it comes to public office and government. While I would be far more worried seeing Islamic symbols above our public buildings, I’d still be uncomfortable with ANY overtly religious symbols, even Christian ones. Lord knows I don’t agree with many people who call themselves Christians but have obviously never read the Bible!
That said, the monument debate is pretty lousy. A cross has often been symbolized as a memorial marker and I can understand it in that regard in this case.
But as always, while I think this girl is a busybody, anyone threatening her, bullying her, or insulting her is NOT acting like Christ and shames the Christian title. I‘m sure it’ll happen anyway, and I apologize for those who count themselves among our ranks as Christians but behave like savages.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:47pmBeware using the tactic of taking your opponents argument to the ridiculous, because it swings both way’s … Except your side does have a history of Murdering and Torturing your Opponents by the Millions.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:48pmLOCKED – i agree with you 100%. you nailed it.
see, there should be common ground to be had.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:52pmFREDINOHIO said: “We simply want to be left alone to worship and believe according to the dictates of our concience.”
and you are. that has never been contested. how is the removal of this symbol effecting your ability to worship?
i’ve said this before, i am not offended by such things. if i lived in that town i wouldn’t blink an eye at the monument. there is a War monument about 100 yards from my house, which has some religious overtones. it doesn’t bother me. having said that, i am not everyone. some may be offended by it being on Gov’t property. that does create a problem.
Report Post »SHOOTnCRASH
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:52pmThe religion of government of the left is the most oppressive entity on the planet. I‘m technically an atheist and I’m 100% on the side of Conservatism and the right. I will vote 100% conservative because your side is up my ass in ways religion never is. Conservatism works liberalism an atheism destroys and oppresses.
Report Post »Cerealface
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:54pmShe would try to deface all monuments?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:56pm@Encinom
“Spoken like a true Christian Facist.”
Well, most Christians aspire to be this. We turn our FACEs toward Christ during our lives, as we believe everyone will come face to face with him after death.
Now, if you meant faScist? Now you‘re just foaming at the mouth to the point that you can’t even spell correctly :-)
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:58pmphillyatheist wrote…TOM – no you couldn’t. Church/State issues are not up for public referendum. we’ve got this whole Constitution thing that prevents that from happening. this is not a majority rules countryh
Report Post »Well in case you have read the Constitution and your ignorance suggest just that allow me to enlighten.
Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of religion or PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THERE OF. Now notice the capitilized part. Now you atheist seem to want aquaint everything public with the drafter of the constitutions intent. Well that means the school is part of Congress within your logic. That being fact THEN YOU CAN VERY WELL USE THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE TO PROHIBIT VIA COURTS . AS THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE DENYS THE GOVERNMENT OF THE POWER TO PROHIBIT THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION. And more over the majority of school funds are collect via property taxes in the area surrounding the school. That actually removes CONGRESS as part of the school system.
And as for the not you can’t statement. If push comes to shove Christians can do what they want through the power of voting alone. Or through the power of communitys orginizing. If we all united and got behind anything say PRAYER IN SCHOOL we could ram it down the court’s throats with no recourse for them to follow. It just takes one push too far to get the unstoppable object go into motion.
Kind of remember that Britian had your same additude when 7 men were shot in boston.
inblack
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:00pmWhy is it marxists and atheists b*tch that we are trampling their rights while they are dismantling ours.
No one is imposing religion, we are the victims of you anti-God anti-religious bigots.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:07pmlocked,
Report Post »She’ll reap what she sows,if she sows intolerence towards other,other in turn will not tolerate her. I said level both barrels on her and hit her with the same hatred,bigotry and intolerence that she spreads.
Let her inherited the whirl wind she created. This turn the other cheek crap has gotten old time for some old testament retribution. Someone needs to made an example of and apparently she’s applying for that position. She might want to think about the fact that martyr done fare well in the long run.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:08pmJOHNJAMISON – if it were as simple as that issues like these would be non-issues. the interpretation of the Establishment Clause is what has been ruled on by Courts across the nation. they continue to uphold that Religious symbols on Gov’t property is a violation of the Establishment Clause. you may view it differently, but the Courts make the final decision.
as for your feeling that if Christians banned together on an issue they could make it so – i disagree once again. if you were right, we’d still have prayer in public schools. the majority of Americans (Christians) want it, but someone it is not so. why? the Supreme Court has ruled in un-Constitutional. get the right justices in place and maybe you’d win.
Report Post »john luther
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:16pmCan you please tell me how this discriminates against you in anyway .You are very versed in making ignorant comments ,but please explain how this is anything more then you forcing your views on everybody else which seems to be your complaint against christians
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:19pmINBLACK wrote : “No one is imposing religion, we are the victims of you anti-God anti-religious bigots.”
it takes some true creativity to play the victim card when you are the overwhelming majority.
your accusation of bigotry makes me wonder if you know what the term means. asking for the removal of a religious symbol from GOVERNMENT property is not bigotry. on the other hand, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation fits the definition. can you see a difference?
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:22pmHey phillyathiest, the devil just got done showing you how lame a$$ your dirty hockey team is last week, didn’t he?) You should convert and maybe they will actually be contenders one day! I’m sure your not a fan though cause all athiest are ***** cats, who hide behind little brainwashed teenage girls.
Report Post »Merkel
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:24pmI see the cowardice of the ACLU shines through again. As for this little tramp she will learn on her death bed that the God she persecuted will be reluctant to condemn her to hell but will be forced to by his own words. I feel sorry for her in the deepest for her absolute ignorance and ungratefulness to those who served this country so she could disrespect them. It’s a shame such traitorous actions are not punished
Report Post »Merkel
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:24pmActually moron we are
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:25pm@Johnjamison
“Someone needs to made an example of and apparently she’s applying for that position. She might want to think about the fact that martyr done fare well in the long run.”
Odd. I don’t recall Jesus condoning rape, torture, murder, kidnapping and all the other stuff this girl has been threatened with. Yet right here you say she should be made an example of, and that it’s not only a good thing but a “Christian” thing because she’s “reaping what she sows.”
You’re angry. I understand that, irrational as it is. But I will never, EVER understand how you can look forward to the day you stand in front of Christ and tell him “Yeah, I approved of a teenage girl being kidnapped, raped, and murdered. It sets a good example of what Christians should do!”
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:29pmphillyatheist said:”TOM – no you couldn’t. Church/State issues are not up for public referendum. we’ve got this whole Constitution thing that prevents that from happening. this is not a majority rules country.”
Yes we did. We want the constitution. Proof: we have the constitution as the law of the land. The majority could vote people in and change constitution to whatever we want and ratify by each state. We want it the way it is, so it is so.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:33pmPA , that‘s just the point courts even the Suprmem court can’t CONSTUTIONALLY rule on these issue PRO OR CON. Congress shall make no law NO LAW on religious issues either side of the fence. The fact that courts did is meaningless…These issue were meant to be decide by the communities these buildings represent not by the LAW. The law is suppose to be Religious nuetral.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:36pmThis goes far beyond simply removing religious symbols (it can be argued the cross itself actually predates Christianity to some pagan belief systems, and in original text if translated Jesus may have been hung on a ‘post’, which was traditional roman punishment of that type)…
This is also an attack on history, and history of the commemoration of the American soldiers… This is an attack on history of the way people chose to commemorate soldiers…
Don’t people realize that the Cross is probably one of the most common commemorative symbols used during WW1 and WW2 (and probably long before) to honor soldiers throughout the world? Infact in Arlington alone there are at least two crosses for WW1 the Argonne Cross, and the Canadian Cross of Sacrifice, that use the cross symbology…
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:42pmSeparation of church and state” is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state‘s business and the state staying out of the church’s business. Because of the very common usage of the “separation of church and state phrase,” most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase “wall of separation between the church and the state” was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church’s business, not to keep the church out of the state’s business.
The constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:42pm@Johnjamison
“These issue were meant to be decide by the communities these buildings represent not by the LAW.”
If you agree with judicial review, claiming that their rulings are unconstitutional is inherently contradictory and illogical. If the SCotUS is the arbiter of constitutionality (and it has been for over 200 years), then Joe Shmoe on the street is dead wrong in claiming what you’ve claimed.
I would hope if this goes to court that the court would rule sensibly: that the cross might be a Christian symbol, but it is also a common grave marker and memorial symbol and as such does not constitute an endorsement of religion. Of course if there’s a plaque or something making reference to religion then that argument is likely moot. I haven’t read anything on it, but usually there seems to be some sort of dedication and if they included a cross, the dedication would likely contain religious elements as well.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:42pmLocked,
Odd. I don’t recall Jesus condoning rape, torture, murder, kidnapping and all the other stuff this girl has been threatened with
Odd I don’t recall condoning those actions either as I recall I called for treating her to the same intolerence she exhibited towards Christians. NOT RAPE MURDER PHYSICAL TORTURE OR KIDNAPPING. No I’m more incline to making her a social pariah,like the smelling kid in school.Start vicious campaign to smear her eights way to saturday in every social and public outlet. TREAT HER TO A BIG PLATE OF INTOLERENCE AND LET HER REAP WHAT SHE SOWED.
Report Post »But the sad truth is everyone always wants to one up the enemy I wouldn’t be suprised at anything. and she has labeled herslf an enemy.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:45pmJOHN – well if that’s the case, i suggest you quit your job, go to law school, and run for Judge. then you will be free to interpret the law as you see fit. until then, people who view the law in secular ways will continue to be appointed or voted in. sorry, the law is one place where religion continues to get beat, even against the wishes of the masses.
Report Post »pghpatriot
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:47pmI think what would make every Christian happy is to simply ignore you and your attempts to remove important and respected (by the majority) expressions of our faith and honor for our countries protectors, no doubt some of which were themselves atheists.
Adding this 16yr old programmed drone to your cause merely adds one more person to ignore. The problem isn‘t what YOU believe or don’t believe. You have that right in this country. The problem is giving credence to your beliefs by paying attention to you. I could care less one way or another whether you have a belief in a religion or a spiritual Deity. So therefore I choose to ignore you. After a while, when you realize no one is giving you the attention you so sorely need, you’ll go away. Like a baby that isn’t coddled or picked every time it cries. Eventually it will stop.
The problem with this country is that we are now so gutless that we allow the tail to wag the dog.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:50pm@ PhillyAtheist and Encinom If you’re absolutely intent on “separation of church and state” then you need to demand that the Liberty Bell be taken down. It is, after all, inscribed with part of a Bible verse:
“Proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.” Lev. 25:10
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:53pmPGHPATRIOT – your ignoring of me is off to a poor start. try again?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:53pm@Johnjamison
“Start vicious campaign to smear her eights way to saturday in every social and public outlet.”
Oh. So you recommend bullying a person and torturing her psychologically. Wait! I seem to recall hearing about a church like that recently…
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cult-pastor-sues-family-for-500000-for-posting-negative-internet-reviews-of-his-church/
Oh right, and almost everyone said they were wrong and un-Christian. Did your hole a little deeper, false prophet.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:54pmWant proof that this country wass built on Christian values ok here you go.Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words “In God We Trust.”
Report Post »The Supreme Court building built in the 1930′s has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior’s birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, “So help me God.”
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools
PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:59pmI think it’s time for a MAN who is also an ADULT to be in the WHITE HOUSE, not this insane little twerp who has -0- leadership ability and who has successfully pitted one section of Americans against each other…and then these little “15 Minute” Celebrities like this 16 year old kid. JUST SAY NO.
OR like Sarah Palin: HELL NO. NO. We are not denying GOD. NO We are not taking down any Crosses. (put up whatever you want you dweeb but we’re not taking down anything. )
THIS, OF COURSE, is Simply put out there to UPSET Americans. Ah. Keep it up you dopes..
You do us more good than a whole month’s worth of national TV buys. Think of the money you are saving us. KEEP knocking OUR PRECIOUS LORD. Keep Knocking the GOD who created this Universe. Keep flaunting the gifts only HE gave you…like your life, our freedom…. keep it up. Don’t stop. Keep hammering about your atheistic beliefs. YOU PROVE OUR POINT. We need to totally revamp the school system, the textbooks, and we need a real leader in the WH who can mend the rips and tears that this horrible little dweeb has allowed to, and has done himself, to our country.
Report Post »AND little girl? You might be smirking now, but you, like ALL of us, will Meet JESUS and you will have to explain to Him how you could be such and ungrateful Brat.
Locked
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:00pm@John
Some verses for you:
“Any one who claims to be in the light, but hates his brother is still in the darkness.” 1 John 2:9
“Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.” 1 John 3:15
Jesus’s own words. No, hating this girl and torturing her (psychologically or physically) is not in any way Christian. As for spreading rumors about her?
Leviticus 19:16 – “Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life.”
Romans 1:29 – “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips.”
Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
Ephesians 4:29 – “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
Would you like to encourage any more sin and claim it to be Christian? Would you like to show your hatred any more, for as Proverbs 18:8 says “The words of gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man’s inmost parts.” We know you by your words, Johnjamison. You’re not following Christ when you write here.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:06pmSimple solution–sell the memorial to a private entity–church, historical society, etc. They pay for it, maintain it and the city gets a few $ in the till. Then all the atheists who are truly forcing their religion on the citizens of the US and just grin and bear it! But don’t worry, they will come out with some other legal maneuver to force us to ‘convert’! Also, freedom of religion means the ability to practice it publically. What they are doing is infringing on that right. Whereas having a cross or other religious symbol in a public square does not force anyone to do anything but see it.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:06pmSLOW – you’re an idiot.
““In God We Trust.” – became our national motto in the 1950′s.
“The Supreme Court building built in the 1930′s has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.”
were we founded in the 20th Century?
“Our national anthem mentions God.”
no, it doesn’t.
“Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.”
actually, it refers to: Nature’s God, Creator, and Divine Providence. there is no reference to a Christian God. only a reference to a Deistic being.
“As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior’s birth for centuries.”
we also celebrate the Pagan holiday of Halloween, and the Socialist holiday called Labor Day. your point is?
“The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.”
the important Founders spent more time criticizing Religion and the Bible. Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and Franklin were most certainly not Christians.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:08pm“If that were true, It would already have been done. About 3/4 of Americans are Christians. We could do that if we wanted.”
Report Post »Actually, you couldn’t, you see there’s a little thing called THE CONSTITUTION, and what you are proposing has, time and time again, been overturned by the Courts because it is a GROSS violation of the remaining 1/4 of American’s civil liberties.
gbfreak
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:11pmThe only people trying to REPLACE anything, are the atheist pukes! Christians are just trying to preserve our Great Nation!
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:15pmThe current implied meaning of the “Separation of Church and State” metaphor and its use is just the opposite of what was intended and what historical facts justify. Our framers feared a state denominational church based upon European history. The constitutional restrictions were targeted at our government to prevent it from making a denominational religion the state church. We actually embraced the Christian Theism doctrinal religion as the state religion. Now we are rejecting any expression or symbol of our doctrinal religion, which our framers embraced. We are treating the doctrinal religion of our heritage like a virus that must be expunged from the public square. We also have inverted the original intent of the “Separation of Church and State” metaphor. The oppression that the Christian Theism religion is now undergoing through the ACLU and activist judges is the same evil that the establishment clause in our constitution was intended to prevent. Our current state religion of humanism is using the full power of the government to oppress the nonconformists to its doctrine, which is exactly the opposite doctrine of Christian Theism.
Report Post »thewatcher93
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:15pmI fail to understand how any, that’s right, ANY religious symbol on public property can be considered “unconstitutional” the bill of right is pretty clear about the freedom to religion. This is just someone who wants to push a view out of the public eye.
Report Post »Sr Newk
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:21pmObozo maybe writing another Executive Order to allow the hunting of Bald Eagles, so the DOE won’t have to keep track of how many eagles who fall to the ground after they fly into the blades of those wonderful great looking expensive wind turbine generators.
http://patriotupdate.com/22971/obamas-war-on-bald-eagles
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:21pmLOCKED,
Report Post »Giving someone a title and a permanant position is a Supreme Court Judge hardly makes them infallable. Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion OR The establishment clause is a double edged sword that grants neither side to the judiciary. It in fact removes all powers of any government to rule on it. There for the power reverts to the people within each community to come to agreements. PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THERE OF. is the second half of the establishment clause and you dare use the word illogical in defining my defense of a clear statement that even a child can understand.
Illogical is atheist using using the first half of the clause to unconstitutional go around the second half.
Talk to me about logic when your frontal lobes develope. And you can see past an ideology to just the facts.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:23pmSLOW – i don’t know how to express this any plainer – your religion is not under attack. your religion is continuing to creep into places where it has no business being. the Pope and the RCC are trying to politicize their dogma into the national arena. they are attacked for it, as they should be. Evangelicals are trampling on the rights of US Citizens (homosexuals) and they are being attacked for it, as they should be. Religious leaders of many denominations are attempting to introduce Religion into Science classes, and they are being attacked for it, as they should be.
your Religion has a place in society. just not in the Government or in Politics. when you try to get into a public arena, you are no longer exempt from criticism.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:23pm@philly atheist … this is the original ending of Francis Scott Key’s national anthem
Report Post »O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation.
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
That being said ….ummmm ur an idiot
MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:24pmJessica Ahlquist is going to be a busy little bitc* when she
Report Post »grows up, She can travel all over America, making all kinds
of new friends, telling everyone that she is annoyed with their
Religious symbols, Crosses, Banners and all.. Have a
Wonderful Life……
AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:24pmPHILLYATHEIST..we’ve tried it your way already champ.
Khmer Rouge, Stalin’s Russia, Maoist China, Hitler’s Germany. All “enlightened” twentieth century constructs. All vehmently and aggressively secular. All responsible for the deaths and incarcerations of countless hundreds of millions of people. Heck..China still has gulags.
But let me bring it closer to home and the here and now.
Obama’s Czar of Science John Holdren..a secularist who places little value on mankind, a global warming alarmist (well to be fair..in the 1970′s he was a global cooling alarmist) and denizen of leftist academia writes in his book “Ecoscience”:
“All the children who are born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons.”
We know what that looks like right now. It has been official policy in Communist China for years. But of course..this is an American official and secularist uttering these words.
Here’s another gem from secularist Johnny: “Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable…The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world”
This is what happens PHILLY when man and his ideologies are placed above God.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:27pmLOL..let me guess PHILLYATHEIST..you’re going to go with the “important” founding fathers ( I love that one..the “important” ones) were “deists” right? That’s still not atheists though is it champ?
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:28pmEven communist and socialist countries allow religious symbols. Go figure.
Report Post »Jumper
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:30pmAs a matter of fact, we ARE a Christian nation. Overwhelmingly. Far more of the population of this Country call themselves Christian than any other faith or, in your case, lack thereof. Like or not, this Nation WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs, and you can look at virtually any of our Founding Fathers writings, including The Declaration of Independance, to the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and even their personal letters will tell you, if you have the courage to read them, that they were guided by God in setting up this Republic. If you don’t like it, go move to a Country founded by Atheists. As to the story at hand. Once again I’m having to point out that tolerating the mere existence of something DOES NOT automatically constitute endorsement of it. I tolerate the Mosque down the road and the fat lady in spandex, but I certainly don’t endorse them. Not to mention that it’s absolutely the job of Government(at any level) to erect(on Gov. land) and maintain monuments to our fallen Vets. And, whether you like it or not, if those Vets happen to be Christian, it’s entirely appropriate for that monument to bear the sign of the Cross. Once again, existence does not imply endorsement!!!!!!
Report Post »Twisted Mind
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:32pmTo an atheist, I would ask, what if you are wrong in your belief. As a Christian, I can ask what if I’m wrong ? If I am wrong, it will be no suffering after I die. I’ll just lay there never knowing anything. If you are wrong, you will suffer eternal punishment for not accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:32pmAVERNGERK – believe me, the principles that person supports are not in line with mine, or most other Atheists i know. i could easily spout off about Dominionists who hold public office (Governor of VA Bob McDowell, for example), and how scary their beliefs are. but knowing that those beliefs are not the norm for Christianity keeps me from doing that. do you want guilt by association? because i could very easily go there.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:34pmI have a better idea, let’s put an atheist on a cross on the white house with the grounds white washed like a giant cross that you can see from space!
Report Post »chrisa0917
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:35pmIf you don’t believe in God or any deity, then why are you so afraid of a symbol of something that means absolutely nothing to you other than two perpendicular sticks? There is no mention of ‘separation of church and state” anywhere in the consitution. The first amendment was written so that the government could not create a “state religion” that everyone must follow (like the British Church of England), and it protects everyone’s right to freely express their beliefs. Well, the cross in Woonsocket, RI, was erected to honor a veteran of WWI who was a Roman Catholic, and three more names were added after WWII, those of whome were also Roman Catholic. That cross is the free expression of the religion of the men who are honored by it and as such is “free expression of religion”. Just because it is on public land does not make it illegal, nor does it violate the constitution.
As far as Jessica Ahlquist is concerned, the “prayer” that she gained her 15 minutes of fame from was totally non-denominational and the person who wrote it specifically worded to be that way. You could have removed “Heavenly Father” from the top and not consider it a prayer.
All this controversy is a violation of the majority’s right to free expression of their beliefs. Just because you don‘t believe in any higher power does not give you any rights to infringe upon others’ freedoms. If every religious reference were wiped out, I consider that a violation of MY rights.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:39pm@philly atheist
Report Post »Riddle me this Mr atheist. if there is no God than what you are saying is man created math and science. Than why is it that the rules of math and science, which govern the laws of the universe, existed long before mans existence? Please enlighten me.
kadster01
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:41pmShe got what all teenagers demand…attention. So now she wants more. Big surprise. Next!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:42pmPHILLYATHEIST…I don‘t care whether you agree with Obama’s Czar of Science or not.
Report Post »I’m telling you that once secularism is imposed to the detriment of any other religion you get Khmer Rouge, Stalin‘s Russia and Maoist China along with the devaluing of mankind the way Obama’s Czar of Science John Holdren has clearly displayed.
You seek to create a strictly secular state that disavows any foundation in Judeo-Christian values. I gave you the results of that state when it’s implemented. Are you denying the past?
So you can distance yourself all you want to from the John Holdrens of the world…but history vindicates me, not you.
AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:47pmPHILLYATHEIST…what’s your position on government departments recognizing Christian holidays?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:47pmCHRIS said: “All this controversy is a violation of the majority’s right to free expression of their beliefs.”
how so? should your right of free expression of your beliefs be allowed on a Synagogue? no, right? and why not? b/c it’s a private property. so you can’t just put your religious expressions wherever you want then, right? same for public property. is only the majority allowed to express their beliefs on public property? what’s to stop an Atheist such as myself to make a statue of Christopher Hitchens and place it at my municipal building? would that be ok?
you see, there is a difference. have all the religious symbols and bible verses you want. keep them on your own private property or on the property of your churches. why is this so difficult for you people to understand?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:50pmAVENGERK said: “You seek to create a strictly secular state that disavows any foundation in Judeo-Christian values”
dude, we already have a secular state. our leaders may not be secular, but our laws are. sounds like a good way to keep things, if you ask me.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:58pmNo PHILLYATHEIST…you have a state founded in Judeo-Christian values that respects the values of non-believers also. It is not a secular state when in it’s very own Declaration of Independence it invokes “OUR CREATOR”. “Our Creator” is not Charles Darwin or John Holdren. “Our Creator” is God. Is this too difficult for you?
What you‘re trying to implement is a wholly secular state that disavows it’s own foundations in Judeo-Christian ethics and that barely tolerates any other religion other than atheism. What you seek is very different to what the founding fathers of this nation (yes even the “important ones”..LOL) sought to create.
Keep trying champ.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:59pmAlso PHILLYATHEIST..answer my question. What’s your position on Government departments recognizing Christian holidays?
Report Post »jklona243
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:13pm@ Phillyathiest,
The original design for the Great Seal of the United States was Moses leading the Jews out of Egypt. This design was proposed by the so called Atheist Founding Fathers, Franklin & Jefferson. The Seal that is currently used makes reference to God. The motto above the all Seeing Eye, “Annuit Coeptis” is translated to mean, having favored of our endeavors. But who has favored our endeavors? The quote, in conjunction with the all Seeing Eye is more accurately translated to: Providence has favored our endevors. So, us Christians don’t need to replace the eagle with the anything. Just flip the seal over, and you’ll have a reminder as to Who is in charge.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:13pmGet over your anger. You are an atheist because you’re angry.
Report Post »Howard Ino
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:14pmI know that this will make every atheist happy.
Let’s replace the American flag with the hammer and sickle.
ALL Communist nations and the Communist Manifesto, embrace atheism as a fundamental building block for their murderous schemes.
~ http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM ~
“Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment we have ever seen.
It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 men, women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its subjects that died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it provoked.
But there is a larger lesson to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one ideology. That is that no one can be trusted with power. The more power the center has to impose the beliefs of an ideological or religious elite or impose the whims of a dictator, the more likely human lives are to be sacrificed. This is but one reason, but perhaps the most important one, for fostering liberal democracy. ”
That should make all Atheist happy… RIGHT?
Jessica, The tail is wagging the dog…
And the dog is getting tired!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:19pm@PHILLYATHEIST,
And your point is…..?
What I took from your post is …,yes….,there are others who are just as imbecilic as le petite Jessica.
Here’s a HEADS UP Philly.
It is for you AND the mindless Jessica.I understand you are IGNORANT of History.Your inane post proves it. Jessica’s actions prove her ignorance.
GOOGLE the sad and sordid life of Madeline Murray O’Hare Philly. Please concentrate on her gruesome demise. IMO it was fitting but not pretty.
Please note brain challenged Philly what O‘Hare’s son is doing now. Tres hilarious it is! He is a CHRISTIAN! He is a minister!
You see Philly….,the irony is …, all the damage that O’Hare did was “FOR HER POOR LITTLE BOY”. She made him a victim to push her cause.
After you have digested the O’Hare info please share with your BFF Jessica.
Philly…,you’re not on the cutting edge, nor is Jessica. You’re both singing a sad old song that is as old as DIRT! It’s DUMB!
I know you will deny this but…,Divine Providence is all around us now. More and more people are waking up to the absolute TRASH that is Jessica. She is a loser. So are you Philly…,so are you!
VOX POPULI VOX DEI!
Report Post »WhisperingVoice
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:38pmLet’s reframe the issue. You want to quash other people’s faith and symbology, because your beliefs tell you it’s wrong. Atheism is a faith. It’s a faith in cosmic chance. If Atheism were treated(as it should be) as a loose association of individuals who share a similar faith and belief system(a Church), than all of these removals are a violation of the Constitution. It is promoting one faith church(faith) over all others. I don’t understand why when Atheists scream about the separation of Church and State they forget what Church means. It’s not a building, it’s a group of likeminded associates who share a common belief. By this traditional definition, Atheism is as much a church as any major faith. If not more so. Christians, Jews and Muslims disagree and fracture over minor issues of faith, while most atheists share far more of the beliefs. So do you support the classification of Atheism as a church(and all that comes with it) or not?
Report Post »flaboater1
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:49pmWhy not use your influence and resources to get an atheistic memorial erected to celebrate and commemmorate your fellow unbelievers and the sacrifice they made for our country. Why not focus on including all kinds of memorials?
Report Post »tootsie roll
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:36pmIts funny because if you WERE NOT AN ATHEIST YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GOD (THE FATHER) JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRT, are the three in one or the trinitywhich is ONE GOD.
Report Post »Be yea NOT IGNORANT OF THE WORD
Mathew Manhorne
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:43pmWhats next??? removing all those crosses in the military cemeteries in Europe from the 2 world wars? You do know that those are on US Government land don’t you? If you A#$Holes are so hell bent on removing every cross no matter where it is the when are you starting your campaign to start removing them from the military cemeteries? Or don’t you have the guts for that fight. You just choose the easy ones… As far as I am concerned (and I must state right here and now that I do not believe in organized religion) what you people are doing is treasonous and dishonoring those soldiers , sailors , Marines , and Airmen that those memorials represent . I am sick of you ignorant, communist low lifes…
Report Post »SaintzOfAk
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:31pmCrawl back into whatever dark nasty hole you emerged from. I used to be an Atheist, and i know damn well what this crap is all about.
Report Post »You see being an Atheist requires you to have deep seeded hate, and a willingness to spite. Your diarrhea mouth just proves it. To Atheists Science is their Religion, and Scientists their Prophets. These people looooove the attention, and this is their easiest way of getting it.
TyrannyNoMore
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:38pm@ Philliy You Godless heathens comprise about 2-3 % of the total US population, which coincidentally, coincides with the total gay population. So, my point is, since you are such a small minority, shut the **** up and stop trying to drag the rest of the country into the gutter with you !
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:41pmencinom said: “By your own actions are you a fascist. You seek to force for beleifs and morlaity on all Americans. There is little difference between your goals and those of the Taleban.”
My actions? what actions? I am for less government and have never forced any beliefs or morality on anyone. My goal is less government control; the Taliban’s, Nazis‘ and the Democrats’ goal is more government control. You have a problem with the definition of fascist. It does not describe American Christian conservatives that are for individual liberty and less governmental control over the lives of individuals.
Report Post »thomas
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:50pmUmmm actually we are not a christian nation anymore. Your kind has no part in our christian heritage or christian blessings. Honestly dont care about your hate and godless life Your a beast fit only for destruction. You dont matter anymore than lets say a fly on the wall. Really, my brothers and sisters in the Lord take note of this living example of the need for eternal fire. Yes he needs salvation but he is fit only for destruction in his present state. He is to be pitied.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:02pmWhat‘s next the Washington Monument for on the top is Laus Deo ’Praise be to God!’
Report Post »Acesa
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:20pmYou mad Bro? You do have a wonderful idea, much better with the scenery than a swastika, or hammer and cycle. Besides we did have Pinko’s walking around the streets causing trouble during WWI or WWII , they stayed in shadows where they belong, afraid to challenge Christians. Only since the ACLU have they been allowed to do that. Miss those good old days without the ACLU.
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:42pmoh come on..im athiest and if your psyche is THAT damaged by a cross thats been around before your grandpappy was born then its YOU that have the problem. YES we are a christian nation. not a christian caliphate. therefore we are going to have parts of our society that reflect CHRISTIAN values. aka the ones that say dont steal etc..serously its athiests like you that give the rest of us a bad name because you are so ignorant and self rightous but fail to understand where it comes from. Dont believe in a god…nobody cares. but quit forcing your views on people under the guise of the constitution. Admit it, you believe in god, you just hate him. either that or you are not as sure in your athiesm as you and this chick claim because your egos are bruised way too easily at the mention of god. oh and the next time you sneeze…GOD BLESS YOU!
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:29pmAll of this because some screwed up 16 year old kid? Really? What a shame! This kid has no clue about the real world or any respect for our veterns. What happened to teaching our children values and respect? We must fight for our rights to prayer!!
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:51pmCould somebody please hit this demon in the head with a brick…. little nicky style… send her home to her father. Demons really do walk the earth.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:53pmEncinom, Philly, Third Keep a copy of this with you.
Report Post »Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
Rollo2
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:19pmIt must be wonderful to be the only person in the world whose’ opinion counts, .. especially for a teenager!
Why doesn‘t she ’ban’ dictatorships? Oh, she is one…
Report Post »affinity
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:23pmYou seem to upset about nothing. Calm down and take your medications.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:26pmphillyatheist… “oh, and smite me while you’re at it. ”
DONT WORRY ABOUT IT, HE WILL, FOR ETERNITY.
Report Post »THE MAD TACO
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:29pmHow about a picture of my boot in your ass?
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:42pmphillyatheist
God loves you my friend, even if you scorn his name. I hope and pray you find his name and mercy in time. Here is to wishing you the best, and all the ice water you can drink. Good luck on that anti-God rant you want to partake in. If Im wrong, Ive wasted nothing, If your wrong, Youre burning in Hell for eternity. Good luck my friend and wishing you all the ice water you can store.
Report Post »RebelPatriot
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:46pmI got a better idea, for all those who don’t wish to live under a Judeo-Christian government that was founded on those same moral principles, move to Canada or Mexico.
Atheist are as bad as the illegals. You attempt to change what the majority of the population supports.
The United States can be all things to all people, where is your tolerance for Christianity. We don’t place atheist in the town hall in shackles and throw spoiled food at you. Why can’t you sit in the same room or walk into a building with a Christian symbol.
In a court of law will you swear on the Holy Bible to tell the truth the whole truth so help you God?
Christians continue to tolerate the criminals, the deviants, the Godless, the profane and of course those who wish to change our country. You simple little atheist can’t stand to sit in a room with the Ten Commandments on the wall. How tolerant are you?
If you are an atheist and don’t believe in God how are these writings and symbols offensive to you.
Would a copy of Harry Potter be offensive? It’s just a book, a fictional book. So these Commandments and these verses and symbols should be no more offensive to an atheist than a Harry Potter book. How can you be offended by something you don’t believe exist.
That’s the same as being afraid of the boogeyman.
Of course when it comes to Christianity, God is your boogeyman.
Report Post »SharpeWit
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:23pmWhy be threatened by something you don’t believe in. Feeling convicted maybe?
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:22am@PHILLY,,,, Off your meds?
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 6:35amkick that little sh-t in the a$$. dumping on war memorials. those people did not fight so she could be an idiot.
Report Post »litrex18
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 6:59amWhy are you so afraid of Christians??? How can you possibly be offended by something that you don’t believe exists in the first place? Seems to me thou does protest too much my friend.
Report Post »Anonymouse.
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 7:39amPhillyatheist, your comments show you to be an intelligent person of reason and as such, you’ll never be understood by these superstitious sheep who lack reasoning skills and the ability to think independently. Your comments on this thread are thoughtful, reasonable and intelligent – typical of people of reason.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 7:57amLocked,
Report Post »I never claimed to be a prophet,no once in my life.
I am light and darkness,good and bad,strong and weak,insightful and blind,big and small,a coalitions of contradictions,born inherently flawed just like every other person that walks God’s planets.What being Christian is about is trying chose the right paths in life.
As for your bibical quotes, Like all Christians I tried to turn the other cheek and all I got was two swollen cheeks. I’ve come to the conclusion that at some point you have to fight fire with fire and that time has arrived. I’m just one of many who is standing ground I only hope I can be forgiven for my reaction to the enviroment created by intolerent atheist.
Locked
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:11am@Rebelpatriot
Some clarifications, and this coming from a Christian:
“Atheist are as bad as the illegals. You attempt to change what the majority of the population supports.”
An odd comparison. The US has always changed, and often for the better. The majority’s will does not trump the Constitution, but if enough want a change then an amendment can be passed. Until then, the intent of the establishment clause is a separation of church and state. It’s a fact, jack.
“Where is your tolerance for Christianity. We don’t place atheist in the town hall in shackles and throw spoiled food at you.”
By your own reasoning, shouldn‘t it be enough that Christians aren’t clapped in chains and abused? Why are religious symbols needed?
“In a court of law will you swear on the Holy Bible to tell the truth the whole truth so help you God?”
This is a lie. You do not need to swear upon a Bible; you can use another symbol or holy book, or just make an affirmation.
“If you are an atheist and don’t believe in God how are these writings and symbols offensive to you. How can you be offended by something you don’t believe exist.”
Turn this around and try it. If you believe atheists are wrong and God exists, why do we need symbols to support this view? How can you be offended by others believing something you don’t (or not believing in something you do), and then turn around and accuse them of the fault? Logically you need to accept you’re hypocritical.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:17am@Johnjamison
“What being Christian is about is trying chose the right paths in life.”
I completely agree. But you’re willing choosing a path Jesus himself says is wrong. I‘m not trying to tell you you’re damned, but I do think I need to point out that nothing about bullying or gossiping about someone is Christian in any way.
“As for your bibical quotes, Like all Christians I tried to turn the other cheek and all I got was two swollen cheeks. I’ve come to the conclusion that at some point you have to fight fire with fire and that time has arrived.”
I disagree. Christ had the power of God; he could have crushed the Romans and struck down the nonbelievers. Fight fire with fire? There’s no fire that burns brighter than the wrath of the Lord.
But he turned his cheek, and died for it. And the result was that Heaven was opened to us all and we can attain eternal life. “Fight fire with fire” is not a Christian teaching, and does much more to reinforce the view of Christians being petty bigots than it does to prove this girl is misguided.
Here’s an idea: pray for her in your own time. Disagree with her views if confronted. And condemn those who would do her harm for failing to live up to the faith they so piously claim to follow. Lead by example, not by anger.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:47amThis ungreatful little brat needs to live a bit of life before she lets her puppet masters guide her in changing what my father’s blood was spilled for.
Report Post »hypnos
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:37amI have a great idea phillyatheists and like, how about we take out symbols flags references by our government about the environment and earth day. I consider the way some groups follow the earth and environment as a pagan beliefs yet it is ok for government to co mingle with these ideals. How about you idiots quite agruing over triffles and let the obvious stand for the historical significance it represents or do want to take all the crosses down at Arlington national cemetery
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:50amThis nation WAS founded by Christian principles. If you don’t like it leave. You are DISRESPECTFUL to this nation and her heritage. I AM a proud Jew, but my GOD states that I am to RESPECT when I am in a foreign land. RESPECT OR GET OUT. If you were born here than you are an ignorant fool your thoughts are irrelevant. CHRISTIANITY…….IS ONE of the NATIONS SYMBOLS. Respect it or get out.
Report Post »freestaterev
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:07amBitter and brat-like atheists always make it easy for us to make our point about them- they open their mouths (or Tweet).
It’s not about their atheism- a religion in itself- it is about their hate, disdain, and bitterness toward a specific religion- Christianity.
Think about it- we are talking about a WWI and WWII memorial here. With violence plaguing the streets, poverty, a government that is, literally, driving us further from freedom into a nanny state, and what do these people have a passion for? Taking crosses down. (I am now holding the letter “L” symbol over my head- “LOSERS”)
It’s easy to demonize a religion that, at it’s center, says turn your cheek and pray for your enemy.
Let’s see them grow a set, and go after Muslim groups. How about the Nation of Islam…are they afraid of Farrakhan? Thought so…
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:42amIT takes a lot more “faith” to be an ATHEIST, doesn’t it. I mean, you believe that we came from a major Explosion (but no one knows where the material(s) that exploded came from or who/what caused the explosion…and that after the explosion, things stopped and yet ‘kept moving’ – evolving so that we have red heads and blonds and spiders and trees and that men and women come in various sizes, colors etc.
Report Post »YET, you can’t explain basic things like FINGERPRINTS, EYES and you have no explanation for LOVE. Love isn’t necessary to procreate of course. YOU cannot explain evil, anger either. Your explosion-but-it-stopped theory is childish nonsense. Just because you can wrap your head around the obvious: Creation, doesn’t mean it cannot exist.
and…instead of developing your own “symbol” to be placed in the public arena like our Crosses, you want (like a little child would) to remove everything.
Look at your supporters on this thread…the worst types of anti-Americans….the greatest fibbers. Nice company you keep, eh?
justsayn12
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:40pm@ Phillyatheist, help me to understand just what an atheist doesn‘t believe I really don’t understand
Report Post »jerrygar
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:50pmWhat would you know about Christianity…you pea brain ?
Report Post »PatriotofPast
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:50pmOK Philly, you and Jessica can come down and remove the Crosses… Only if Myself and a few Thousand Vetern Friends can Block You from Desecrating a Memorial? Sound Fair?
Report Post »ghostridershop
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:16pmFirst PhillyAtheist, let me say that I truly pity you. You have so much hatred for something you claim not to believe in. In fact most atheists I know talk about God more than Christians do! I don’t understand that.
As an example, I don‘t believe in UFO’s, however, I don’t make fun of those that do, nor do I go to blogs and websites about UFO’s and belittle those people, call them names, try to remove them from any ability to participate in their hobbies, etc.
But atheists are OBSESSED with God!! Makes no sense at all, except this is what I think the issue is. Deep down inside you KNOW you are wrong, dead wrong. That little tiny mustard seed of doubt in you makes so full of hate, that you have to continue with your obsession of God.
See, no matter whether YOU personally do believe in God or you do not, does not mean He does not exist. You are free to live your life without believing in God, you are free to speak out against Him if you must, but you have absolutely NO RIGHT to remove God from this country. No matter what you think or whether you like it or not, America was founded as a Christian nation.
We need to pray for you and this child who is full of the same hatred for God and His people, because no matter how wrong and how blasphemous you are, God still loves you. But even though God is a God of Love, He is also a God of Judgment and you WILL stand before Him one day, whether you believe in His existence or not.
@ghostridershop
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:35pmGHOST – there is a difference between UFO believers – they are a fringe group that doesn’t effect me in the least. Religious people OTOH are everywhere, and pushing their religion into the public sector. i think i have the right to be upset about that.
as for you praying for me, please don’t bother. you’ll be wasting your time more than usual. and for (hopefully) the last time, i do not hate God. i can‘t hate something i don’t believe in. and i haven’t even a tiny shred of belief in a personal, involved Deity. not even a flicker. sorry.
AVENGERK – i’m fine with Religious holidays. as a Nation, we rightfully respect holy days for religious people. i’m happy to take those days off myself!
PATRIOTOFPAST – me and Jessica won’t need to remove this cross. the courts will do it for us. thanks for playing.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:37pm@junior1971
Hey dickweed, not that this is a discussion about sports but don’t you dare start trashing my Flyers punk. If you want a dirty team, look towards Pittsburgh. Jackass.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:39pm@junior1971
You troll the yahoo sports forums don’t you. I’ve seen your childish rhetoric on their before. Nitwit.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:42pm@PHILLY ATHEIST
“SLOW – i don’t know how to express this any plainer – your religion is not under attack.”
Of course it is under attack and this is actually what people like you who are attacking people’s believes would say.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 3:39pmLOOK – please explain how your religion is under attack.
and if you use this Cross as an example then you’re delusional. removal of a cross from public property does not diminish your ability to worship.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:44pmI can’t remember who said what exactly, but there are some severe misconceptions. First off it is an attack. There shall be no law prohibiting religion either. So when you pass a law that says you can’t put a cross on a memorial then you have established a law that is prohibiting religion. Second religion and that which is learned from scriptures is for personal gain. It instructs us how to behave, not how to make other behave. After, and during which it also specifically (and makes no bones about) tells us NOT to judge others. The establishment clause in the first amendment is not meant to remove religion from from laws, but to remove laws from religion. Why this is such a difficult concept for people to grab hold of is beyond me. Just comparing the two as written in the previous sentence should show how the one would be benefical and the other not. ALL morality is based from religion/faith/belief based concepts, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Anyone who says otherwise has a bit more reading to do. This girl is getting attention on a national level, she likes it, she is getting an early taste of power. Wouldn’t matter now what happened, she will follow on that course. Anyone that would like to disagree I will maintain a twenty dollar bet that in ten years I will collect on. The cross should stay.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:48pmSomeone in here said that it offends 1/4 of the people it starts to cause a problem, or something like that. BS, in a free country you have the right to offend me and I have the right to be offended. If it deprives me of life, liberty, or property THEN and ONLY then is there a problem. A cross on a memorial deprives me of nothing. If you put one in my yard, Then your cross is depriving me of property space (regardless of how small), and liberty (as I must now use time to remove that which you have installed). On public property a cross represents those who may believe in it. If you believe in something else, put that up. If you don’t put nothing up. But respect others ability to do the same. If you feel picked on, grow up, get yourself some self confidence. You obviously are lacking.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:49pmgo for it. If this makes you happy, then so be it. This is a country of laws, so follow the law or change it as you need so you can put a cross in all these federal places. The issue is with local (State) locations that for some time put up these items and for 50 plus years had no complaint until now. They are local and not federal, but you can with some effort change the law so crosses can be put up in all the federal places you want. By the way, this should not be too hard since money (printed by federal government) has “in God we trust” placed on it.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:54pm@encinom
Report Post »Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:21pm
TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:11pm
If that were true, It would already have been done. About 3/4 of Americans are Christians. We could do that if we wanted.
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Spoken like a true Christian Facist. What don’t the Blazers speak the truth, come out of the closet and say that they want to trash the Constitution and replace the Republic with a Theocracy.
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The Blazers (American citizens) have had 200 years to put in place a theocracy but chose not to do so. Wonder why, perhaps because unlike you they do not want to trash the Constitution. George is this you yet again?
antiprogressive
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 5:04pmOnly the ignorant want to destroy what they don’t understand.
Fail at Calculus?
Get rid of it.
The world probably doesn’t need it anyway…
Open minded people can learn to ACCEPT things that do not HARM them.
Report Post »Close minded people – well – we all know…
trubluehawkfan
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:03pm1. Memo to all athiests: You don’t have enough faith to be an athiest!
Report Post »2. God doesn’t believe in athiests! (Rom. 1:20)
rickc34
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:06pmI just want to thank all the atheist’s out there. Your war against Christ give’s him more power. You prove he is real because you do not fight an enemy that does not exist. So thank you from a born again christian
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:11pmIt is your choice to believe. It does not matter to me if you believe or not . But you have more faith in God than most by fighting against him and pushing your believe. I guess all atheist’s are afraid of the boogy man to huh.
Report Post »TMedGotLost
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:14pmatleast shes smiling on her way to hell. lol. and also change the stars on the flag to crosses. thats what i would do.
Report Post »TMedGotLost
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:20pmi say we make the stars on the flag 50 crosses instead. christiandom forever!!! yay!
Report Post »woofer0343
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 1:28amWould you be kind enough or have balls enough to give me your real name & where you are located.I have no doubt that you wont.We have some “Good ole boys.from the hills of Tn.They would like to talk to you and maybe change your outlook on things.Show some balls & do it.Just your name will work,ok.Waiting your reply.
Report Post »Callie369
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 6:05amI wonder how long it will be before this pathetic POS teenager decides that all crosses have to be removed from all the graves in the cemetaries throughout the country? Wait until she has a chance to see Arlington Cemetary, she’ll go even crazier then she is now.
Report Post »ransto62
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 7:12amAbsolutely no respect for the heros that have kept all americans safe and free,thats atheist and christians we are all together one nation under god.. how do you think we became so great, all people came here and to help build a great nation…now we do nothing but go for each others throat.
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 7:41amPHILLYATHEIST-There is no Christian I know that adheres to your twisted logic…rather it is the opposite…we are for government getting out of our communities business-if we want a cross on our memorial then that is tough for the wee atheist who is all gushy for nothingness- get over it! But for you to dictate to me how I can live my life as a Believer in Christ is just as insane as me telling you have to live yours…you can live the way you want to but in America, I have religious freedom (at least for the moment)…let’s see you try on Sharia Law and see if you like that better.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 1:49pmSo I suppose seeing as you people keep saying we have a Xtian heritage, and I know that most of you want to get back to the original pure form of the Constitution, I do hope that none of you are voting, unless you are white male landowners over the age of 21. Anything less would be a violation of what this country was founded upon. The founding fathers wouldn’t have had it any other way. They believed in it and practiced it. They are the ones who set it up that way.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 1:54pmJohnJamison, when are you going to get tired of being a punching bag for Christ? When is he going to step in and fight his own battles? Or is he too weak? The creator of the universe can’t even come down here to this tiny planet and wipe out a few people of reason? For ‘heavens’ sake, start massaging your atrophied brain and join us. Thinking for yourself can be lots of fun. Really. I promise.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 18, 2012 at 1:57pmWe are a nation built by freemasons.
Report Post »TX_BOI
Posted on May 27, 2012 at 8:38pmWhat I want to know is why that when people believe in something you have to turn around and attack it. It would take you less energy to walk your butt on by and say nothing than make a huge deal about it. Most christians offer knowledge and that is all. you are not made by the state to practice any specific religion. during this particular time in history in the U.S. it was the main religion of the men and women whom died so you could be free. If you can’t RESPECT that, then walk the other way.
Report Post »ofallon
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:00pmSupporters of the Cross might consider buying the small piece of property that the monument rests upon so it wouldn’t be considered public property. That’s what is happening with the Mojave Cross incident in California. The Mojave Cross was stolen but may soon be replaced if and when the VFW, I believe, buys the said property that the Cross rested upon.
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:24pmWhere are Congress, Senate, and the House protecting our heritage? No where. They want a one world gov. backed by the UN. To have a one world gov., the US Citizens have to be deprived of their heritage and widget – ized. We have the wrong people voting for our interests. We need Constitutional leaders at all levels. The first question to ask a candidate is whether He votes Constitutional. If he dodges the question, He should not be an elected leader.
Report Post »ROCKETSMOM
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:48pm@ OFALLON GOOD SHOW!!!! I was just about to suggest that very thing!!!!! Even if a church paid just $1.00 for the space these dopes would not have a leg to stand on legally.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:00pmIt’s unfortunate how this girl is learning at such an early age on how to behave like a liberal whiner. You just watch–now that she has had a taste of liberal victory, we will hear from her as she grows up. Liberals are all about power and wielding it against people whenever they can.
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:16pmRead 1984……and ask yourself if that isn‘t a liberal’s dream come true….
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:18pmSomeone should tell this little twit that if it wasn’t for those who fought and died in WW I and WW II as well as every war since, she might not have any “rights” at all. ENOUGH!
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:20pmGive the Devil an inch and he’ll take a mile: this girl is proving it, just as every atheist and lib do daily. If people who claim to believe God and in God, had half the courage Jesus displayed at every opportunity, we wouldn’t be having these problems.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:23pmIts unfortunate how many so called Blazer Patriots do not seek to protect the Consttution and are looking to turn this nation into a Taleban styled theocracy.
Report Post »Kathleen
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:49pmShe needs to go to countries where Christian missionaries risk their lives and do something concrete with their beliefs and then see if maybe she is wasting hers with this ridiculous removal of symbols.
Someone should ask her if ALL symbols of any type should be removed?
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:50pmMommy and Poppy did a good job raising this fine little Commie..
Report Post »hypnos
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:21amHey ecidiot I don’t care about your paranoid delusions. By all means take down the crosses at Arlington take the stupid earth day crap lets all spin are wheels and argue about I don’t like your religion or my religion. If logic dictates take it all down
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:00pmMost atheists are intolerant. This one seems to like her 15 minutes of being the pawn for the left. She’ll end up just like Cindy Sheehan.
Report Post »MSSoldier
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:21pmI agree.
Report Post »Frodo RinosBane
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:59pmThere, there, honey. You’re old enough to learn “you don’t always get what you want.” Go back and cry to Daddy now.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:54pm@Frodo RinosBane
“There, there, honey. You’re old enough to learn you don’t always get what you want.”
Kinda like Cons are gonna learn in November when they lose the House.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:11pmVanceuppercut – Excuse me that if us regular Americans should be allowed to keep our own money we earned instead of giving it to people who didn’t earn it.
Report Post »Blazen420
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:59pm@Calmarine…….. My thoughts exactly!!!
Report Post »GOTAREVOLUTION
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:35pmJessica, Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord.
Report Post »I personally wish you nothing but the fruits of
your labor. A Godless lifeless meaningless short
life with nothing to show but your shallow evil
outcome. May God have mercy on your wretched
soul.
godlovinmom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:57pmDon’t you just love it when liberals use children to further their agenda…atheist are amazing…they fight tooth and nail against something they don’t even believe in.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:22pmactually, Atheists believe in separating Church and State. it’s not God or the Cross that they are fighting. it‘s the placement on gov’t property that they are fighting.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:30pm@PHILLYATHEIST
Actually, they are bent on destroying any evidence that proves we are a Christian nation.
The fact that public lands were used to honor the God that our forefathers believed protected this country is uncomfortable to them.
There are those that still believe in those principles, and I stand with them.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:36pmHmm, an atheist that capitalizes the ‘G’ in God. Just being polite? That would be a first for you.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:45pmnotice i don’t ever use caps, unless the word deserves it. yes, it is out of respect that i capitalize God, Religion, Christianity, etc. if you look back at any of my previous posts you will see that is how i roll.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:30pmPHILLYATHEIST…do you take Christmas off from work?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:37pmYet, you don‘t capitalize the first word in a sentence or the letter ’I’ when refering to yourself. Therefore, I assume you have no respect for the English language or for yourself.
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:52pmI for one am sick and tired on one individual going to the courts to try and get their will forced on the many. This little twit needs to get back in school and mind her own business.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:12pmHey Philly…are you living in the real world… you might want to rethink your position on how they believe in all this seperation…the only thing I believe atheist want seperation from is christians in America.
Report Post »hypnos
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:24amTake it all down phillyatheists the crosses at arlington. Speak to that you irrelevant fool.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:41pmGONZO – imo, the period at the end of the sentence renders the capitalized first letter of the next sentence moot. it’s a personal preference. if i was writing an official paper or email, i would use standard capitalization. same thing for the letter ‘i’.
is this really what we’re here to discuss, phone calls and footlockers? (name that movie!)
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:43pmHYPNOS – the Arlington crosses are likely unconstitutional as well. i think that groups like the FFRF are a little timid about going after such a polarizing NATIONAL monument which has such a personal connection for so many Americans. my guess is they’ll let that particular sleeping dog lay.
Report Post »TMedGotLost
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:35pmwe are supposed to be a godly nation. or else it never would have been put on our money. or our laws wouldnt be based off Gods commandments. when God governs our actions we dont need government. they need to turn us into athiests before we can be turned into communists. thats the rules… thats how it works.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:57pmSomeone needs to school this teenager that she has NO RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED! You don‘t like it don’t look … we DO have freedom of Religion AND speech!
Report Post »berlich
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:05pmAtheists always confuse freedom OF religion with freedom FROM religion.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:29pmThis Patriotic young woman does have the right to see that her government follows the Constitution and not publically endorse any one religion. Unlike the Christian Facists attempting to replace the republic with a theocracy, she is defending the Constitution.
The Freedom of Religion includes the freedom FROM religion.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:11pmYou are right to say that we are not a majority rules country. We have courts to protect us from laws that beat up the little guy. We are also not a country built on unanimous consensus.
That being said, one person does not have the right to dictate to others what the rule should be.
The courts should consider both sides of the argument and make a decision. If you are on the losing side, accept the decision and move on.
The problem lies in the interpretation of the law. Some see that we should be protected from any religious influence in the government. Others read it to mean that we are protected from any government influence on religion.
I happen to agree with the latter, some are in favor of the former.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:25pm@Encinom…. No where in the Constitution does is mention seperation of church and state. What it says is “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of religion or PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THERE OF.” If you ever read the constitution you would know that. Again you are talking out of your arse.
Report Post »GOTAREVOLUTION
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:32pmI know many atheists who dont believe in what I do but they have no problem
Report Post »with crosses or bible quotes etc. Those who are so called offended couldnt care less
about there so called rights. They are just hate filled because of there lack of any
divine guidance(= evil). I am also offended by atheists billboards etc but I dont
lose my mind (or soul) over viewing them. These people are simply soulless satan
worshipping fools who despise the joy of the Lord in others. As for this 16 year old
prodigy well her reward awaits.
encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:19pm@GOTAREVOLUTION
The offense is not the bible quotes or the cross, the offense is the violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. The offense is the State sponsorship of religion and the promotion of one religion over others. I don’t care what you do with private property (billboards are private property), it is once you begin to use public lands and resources to promote your religion that the offensive violation of the Constitution begins.
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:12pmencinom, In my life time I have not heard any American Christians argue for fascism. I have only heard liberals call us fascist for some unknown reason. Please stop bearing false witness against us.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:34pmTomSawyer
Report Post »Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:12pm
encinom, In my life time I have not heard any American Christians argue for fascism. I have only heard liberals call us fascist for some unknown reason. Please stop bearing false witness against us.
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By your own actions are you a fascist. You seek to force for beleifs and morlaity on all Americans. There is little difference between your goals and those of the Taleban.
Git-R-Done
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:13pmEncinom – And you atheists don’t force your morality onto others, hypocrite? You have the same mindset as the Soviet Union.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:32pmENCINOO_NAMBLA-MAN,
@GOTAREVOLUTION
The offense is not the bible quotes or the cross, the offense is the violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. The offense is the State sponsorship of religion and the promotion of one religion over others. I don’t care what you do with private property (billboards are private property), it is once you begin to use public lands and resources to promote your religion that the offensive violation of the Constitution begins.
Report Post »I’m so positive that you also refer to the National Cemeteries where our war dead are buried. All of those Crosses, Stars Of David, and even the Crescent Moons. Dare you to go try to tear them down.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:48pmENCINO-NAMBLA-MAN, In Thomas Jefferson’s writings he discusses the Establishment Clause of the Constitution and defines it as the refusal of this country to establish a single religion and not all of Christianity or any other religion. Many escaped Europe and England in particular to escape the single Church Of England which is now the Episcopal Church. See, this country even allowed the church that had even persecuted many of those responsible for establishing this country. You are relying on the 1964 SCOTUS case that established an albeit twisted outcome that has now become legal president. That much I can’t deny, but only until we get the right case in a future Supreme Court. I know you must love the SCOTUS, the same people who claimed that black slaves were to be considered only 3/5ths of a person. See, even those idiots make mistakes, and those mistakes can be corrected.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:43amRJJinGadsden
Report Post ». I know you must love the SCOTUS, the same people who claimed that black slaves were to be considered only 3/5ths of a person. See, even those idiots make mistakes, and those mistakes can be corrected.
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Typical Beckerhead, the 3/5 Clause is from the Constitution not a SCOTUS opinion. You can thank the Founders for that.
hypnos
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:29amEcidiot the 3/5ths clause was used as a ploy by the abolitionists from the north to gain support in the house of representives to abolish slavery. Your such a fool.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:57pmdisgustingly vicious attacks on a 16/17 year old girl to ensue in 3…2…1…
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:14pmAnd you atheists don’t attack Christians?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 3:33pmignorant grown-ups, maybe. not children. and i don’t throw around vicious personal attacks. i mock, from time to time though.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:56pmI want her banned.
Report Post »Maxim Crux
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:56pmDrop her ass off in a field in Afghanistan
Report Post »formidable_foe
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:26pmGiven the reported threats toward her, perhaps she will learn if her ‘no God’ position is accurate a little sooner than she anticipated.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:56pmThe RATS are Still coming out of their HOLES
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:11pmCareful, Phillyatheist, may report you to the DOJ and FFRF….. ooh, here’s my scared face…..
Rats? Nah, rats would take offense at the comparison.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:25pmCOUGAR – now why would i do that? i believe in free speech just as much as you do.
i also believe that religious symbols should be kept apart from Gov’t property. i guess that’s too much of a sacrifice for Christians to keep their symbols/idols/verses in their own houses of worship or private property.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:38pm@ Dougar- PhillyA is one of the rats he’s speaking of.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:54pmhey WOLF – bite me!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:34pmPHILLYATHEIST do you also believe that government departments should not recognize any religious holidays?
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:56pmsomeone should remove this teens face from the news since that is most likely the ONLY reason she’s doing it.. I find if OFFENSIVE.. as I do her views..
Report Post »IDONTTHINKSO
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:54pmHow does this threaten so many atheists? Are they that unsecure in their beliefs? Isn’t it time to stop these loons, they probably coming to your town next! Think you liberals for destroying America; you’ve done what several wars and foreign countries could not do.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:57pmSo why doesn’t the blaze show some journalistic ethics and stop extending Jessica Ahlquist 15 mins of fame.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:16pm@IDONTTHINKSO
You would have been more accurate if you had said, “Are they that insecure in their UN-beliefs”, but I digress.
The whole thing comes down to the fact that there is nowhere in the Constitution or the Declaration that protects you from being offended.
I am offended every day when I drive down I-35 and see signs for ‘gentlemen’s clubs‘ or when tv shows use the Lord’s name in vain.
We live in a country where one is free to speak how they want, and I wouldn’t change it for the world.
We should stand up to the kind of ignorance this young girl is displaying, but we should not insult, threaten, or otherwise demean her.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:32pmAny violation of the Constitution should have true patriots offended. It is clear that the Christian Facist care little for the Constitution, wasn’t that Christian, W., that said it was only a God Damn piece of paper, and desire a theocracy in place of the Republic.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:36pmJROOK
You would like that, wouldn’t you?
So you can continue to slink around un-noticed?
Report Post »hypnos
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:35amThe same reason they let you spew you idiotic comments jrook free speech
Report Post »LARR
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:54pmWhy not just sell the spot to the memorial organization (create it if not already there) and then it is on private property.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:54pmHey, she is entitled to support whatever she wants. It is still a free country.
However, sweetie in your ignorance, you are trampling on other peoples right. You think because you want it gone that everyone has to cow-tow to your whinings and wishes. Sorry, sweetie your trophy days are over.
Those who are threatening this young girl, STOP IT!
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:00pmNo reason to threaten her, as most liberals like her, get off on the victim mentality. It’d be nice to ignore this shrew, but alas she has lawyered up. I do wonder who is funding the FFRF. There can’t be that many atheist philanthropists. Odd, as those philanthropists seem to hate some men, when a philanthropist is supposed to be a lover of all men….. Christians can be hated, apparently.
although, seeing who Rhode Island’s Governor, Senators and Congresscritters are, I am shocked this didn’t happen sooner.
Report Post »berlich
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:04pmThank you for your statement. If we take the high ground we have more of a chance of making our point. Threatening a 16 year old is not the high ground.
Report Post »MDDAWG
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:54pmWhat don’t these pathetic people understand about the 1st Ammendment? It is not freedom FROM religion. It was intended that the government cannot PROSCRIBE a specific religion.
Report Post »Why do they think they must push their anti-God religion on the rest of us?
This is sad and demoralizing, which is what I think they are attempting. If they can get enough of us to be demoralized, then they will win the battle over the soul of our country. We must not give up. Fight them tooth and nail so that we can maintain a positive spiritual influence in this country. If the believers are squelched, there will not be enough people with good values to save this country.
Angie
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:03pmPeople like this would be classified as “religiphobic”. There is also the famous “heterophobic” and the ever popular “conserviphobic”. See, I can “lable” too! Good old Saul would be so pleased, we are picking up his techniques!
Report Post »FedUpAlready
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:08pmNo One is preventing the Atheists, from putting up a memorial for soldiers who were atheists, or for anyone or anything. Get off the soap box, young lady, we don‘t give a rat’s ass what you want !!!!!!! No one is interfering with your right to hate speech, or to make derogatory remarks about memorials and beliefs of others. So, now you’ve had your say Sit Down and STFU !!!!!!
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:53pmWhat on earth does this little troublemaker hope to accomplish, besides getting her and her family in EVEN MORE hot water than before?
Why not just wait til the last WWII or any veterans in your town move or die, then remove the cross? Is that OK, sweetie?
Little brat.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:53pmHow does it feel to want?
Report Post »lassiegirldawn
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:53pmI will help her pack, and purchase her a ticket to Iran. I believe they share her views there and she will feel right at home.
Report Post »FedUpAlready
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:36pmWhat she has taken such advantage of here in the US (freedom of religion and speech), would be her down fall in other places around the world. She would regret she ever opened her yapper over in the ME. While she kneels in her Burka awaiting the first stone to strike, for not conforming to Sharia Law, and for being an infidel and WOMAN! And, definitely letting sleeping dogs lie.
Report Post »I can guarantee, she’d turn to Islam so fast your head would spin, if confronted with the option to conform or die. Where as Christians would fight and stand their ground, believing in Divine Providence of God Almighty.
Gonzo
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:52pmI have been waiting with bated breath to hear where Jessica stood on the Woonsocket memorial controversy! Hey kid, your 15 minutes is up.
Report Post »ilovetheusa1
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:52pmf!!en atheists, is this their only goal in life ? to drive around and see what they can destroy.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:55pmYes.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:51pmSome folks just want to go to Hell and take as many as possible with themselves.
Report Post »CalMarine
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:50pmSomeone is pulling this childs strings, but I really do not think it is going to end well for her
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:58pmGeorge Soros? Cass Sunstein? Clower & Piven? I wouldn’t be surprised at any or all of the above…..
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:59pmI doubt she has conservative parents … more likely liberal progressives Marxists.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:46pmPublicity whore.
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:13pmI just wonder when Hollywood will give her, her own reality show?
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:19pmIt never ceases to amaze me why it is when we remember veterans of war we need to somehow be reminded of some cults supposed authority over individual thought and freedom.
http://www.cautionchurchahead.com/2012/05/jolicoeur-square-and-woonsocket-cross.html
At least this one has a plaque with veteran names. Unlike that hideous humanoid blob on a mountain in Montana…
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