Teen Atheist Who Brought Down Prayer Banner & Feminist Gloria Steinem to Be Honored at Atheist Conference
- Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:24am by
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Teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist may continue to face threats over her efforts to remove a prayer banner from her high school, but the 16-year-old darling of the secular movement has been showered with accolades from fellow non-believers. Ahlquist has already received tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship money and now, as a result of her activism, she’s being given a coveted “humanist” award.
The teen atheist will accept the Humanist Pioneer award next week at the American Humanist Association’s (AHA) 71st Annual Conference in New Orleans. The event, which goes from June 7 to June 10, will help to further drive home the AHA’s goal — ”to bring about a progressive society where being good without gods is an accepted way to live life.”
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Not much is written about Ahlquist‘s past accomplishments on the AHA’s web site beyond the fact that she was the plaintiff in the Ahlquist v. Cranston court case. This legal battle, as previously reported, led to a judge‘s order that Cranston High School West remove a prayer mural present in the teen’s Rhode Island public school.
(Related: Teen Atheist Behind Prayer Mural Ban Wants Contentious WWI & WWII Cross Removed)
Ahlquist will be honored along with another student, Damon Fowler, who challenged his high school over a graduation prayer. In 2011, Fowler was given a student activist award from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
Gloria Steinem Wearing "I Had an Abortion" Shirt Designed by Jennifer Baumgardner (Image Credit: WFAE)
The two teenaged activists aren‘t the only individuals who will be awarded at this year’s event. Famed feminist Gloria Steinem will be given the “Humanist of the Year” award. A biography on the conference’s web site goes on to praise the controversial figure’s career. On the media front, Cenk Uygur, host of “The Young Turks,“ will receive the ”Humanist Media Award.” Other recipients can be seen on the AHA’s conference web site.
This year’s theme for the AHA conference is, “The Atheists Go Marching In.”
(H/T: The Christian Post)
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Comments (221)
IslandAtheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:17pmIt’s good to see superstition being outgrown.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:28pmHumanism is not any different intellectually than unwarranted superstitions. In denying supernatural causality they accept the logical contradiction of epistemic epistemology. Ghosts are possible. Logical contradictions are not.
Report Post »IslandAtheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:39pmThat’s all gibberish to me, but thanks for sharing.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:22pmAnd being replaced by nihilism and death. Just look at your precious Soviet Union.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:29pmGit-R-Done
So which parts of the Bible do you follow and which do you ignore?
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:38pmScience – You don’t have science, logic, or reason on your side, pinko. You have nothing on your side.
I know that you Marxists hate facts.
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:07pmActually, atheism and secularism are peaking, if they have not already.
Check out the demographics of places like Australia, Japan, Canada, the EU and human secularists and atheists in the USA, specifically versus the birth-rates of Muslims, Hispanic Catholics and White Mormons and then get back to me.
(laughs)
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 4:22pm@ Islandatheist
It’s gibberish because you do not know the intellectual foundations of your espoused belief system. Atheists confuse the adjective “empirical” that describes the scope of the scientific method with “epistemic empiricism”. The theory of knowledge that said a proposition is only meaningful in some way if it is empirically evidenced. As there is no empirical evidence for that proposition it is self refuting which means it is a formal logical contradiction violating the Principle of Non-Contradiction. In case you still don’t get it I will spell it out for you.
You cannot claim that you do not believe in G-d because you do not have physical or observational evidence. Science is not an excuse for atheism.
That stroke alone tears the heart out of atheism. Done deal. Game over. Atheism utterly destroyed merely by exposing a long known epistemic fact.
Report Post »Callie369
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 5:31pmWhores for atheism are even worse!
Report Post »iBELIEVEinGODuShould2
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 6:10pmBELIEVE!!!!!!! God IS real, how else do you explain everything around you!!!!!
Report Post »To people who do not believe in God: You can always convert to christianity, God IS forgiving. However if you do not convert, you will suffer by not going to heaven for eternal life.
db321
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:31pmScience – can you side with me and vote for a Candidate that believes in open Murder – if it feels good then go ahead Murder anyone you please. Or go ahead, rape anyone one you want. Satan believes in these thing – go ahead join the Millions of idiots that will vote for Obama that promotes the killing of million of unborn children, support Gay Marriage and the Non Support of Israel.
How do you choose a sin to agree with. Obama supporters will find out on Judgement day that God is going to turn his back on them just Obama is going to turn his back on them after the election.
The wages of sin is death – sin will not get between God and Man. Obama and his followers are going to have to go through Eternity without seeing God. I hope Satan had a bright future for them.
Report Post »DamocleAurelius
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:59pmWell said warpspeed.
Island, knowledge can come from one of three sources: emperical evidence (as warpspeed pointed out), logical deduction, or divine revelation. Atheists reject the latter and only accept as valid logical deductions that agree with their preconceived notions. That leaves emperical evidence, which as speedy pointed out, does not support the atheists’ claims.
There are perfectly valid reasons to accept the existence of a Creator.
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:19pmI’ve noticed that atheists are always unattractive….and most are downright ugly. They live alone, have empty lives….and the only meaning they get out of life is taking away the meaning of life for others.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:45pm@DamocleAurelius
Thank you. The Sword of Contradiction is a powerful tool. I have found that demonstrating the epistemic contradiction that lies at the base of the new atheism is great fun. It’s also an excellent way to dispel the contrived notion that atheists are more rational than theists. When atheists refuse to recognize the contradiction and change their epistemology to modern standards it seems to be grounds to claim that atheism is not held as a rational belief but as an emotive one.
Report Post »flyingpeters
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:46amThere is something very dark and empty about these people.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41amI’m not an atheist. . . .more agnostic, personally.
However, I think I can understand why the atheist doesn’t see it as a legitimate contradiction. True, without proper evidence to show that “a god does NOT exist”, you can’t make a claim from experimentation or personal evidence and it be “rock solid”. However, for the atheist, it is still their “best game in town” to reject the claims of “a god exists” for which those claiming it have no experimental evidence, . . . and considering that personal experience can be effected by outside stimulation.
As for me, I would never be so arrogant as to make a definite “no god[dess]” claim. However, I have yet to find anything compelling to “just choose a religion” based upon other people’s pleading. My brain doesn’t operate that way. . . . and needs more than someone saying “I know that I know that I know it is true”.
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:05pmWhy cant we be friends
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:17pmA Baby is a Natural Atheist… because the Brain has not fully developed and the Baby knows nothing. The Adult Atheist… is a Baby, who never Grew Up!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:58pmIts the ignorant baby and child that believe in magic and fairy tales, the adults put that nonsense aside.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:11pm@ENCINCOM
Yes, by killing them like cowards while they are defenseless. Very adult of you.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:11pm@ENCINOM
Interestingly enough, we are taught that we must become ‘as a little child’ in order to enter the Kingdom of God.
We believe that a child’s qualities are to be emulated: teachable, willing to submit to the Father, not clouded by adult biases, looking at things in wonder and amazement, quick to forgive, loving of others without prejudices.
I realize that might add fuel to your argument, but it is what we are taught.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:48pmIf that is true that you must be an ignorant child to enter the kingdom of heaven then you should be up for beatification ENCINOM.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:03pm@BROTHER_ED
I always loved that, “we must become like children.”
Do you know how stupid most children are?
If a child comes and tells you that they have an imaginary friend, as a believer you have NO right to think that it’s not possible. Because after all, we have to “become like children.”
Idiots running around saying they want to think like children.
Next time you go to the hospital, or the auto repair shop, before the adult who has years and years in their expertise says a word please say, “I would like you to help me using a child’s understanding of car/medicine”
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:32amSquid, it’s not the Atheists who are calling for the homosexuals to be put into camps or just letting the government rid society of them. It’s not the Atheists who are bombing clinics. It’s not the Atheists who are killing African children because of suspected witchcraft.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:31am@FoxHoleAtheist:
But as an Atheist, how can you say any of that is really wrong? Maybe getting rid of people who don’t want to help propagate our species should be exterminated, perhaps bombing clinics that help rid the world or our species is the greater good. Now as a Christian, I certainly don’t believe that, we have objective morality to fall on, having a difference between good and evil. But as an Atheist how can you say anything is actually good or evil and by what right?
@Mod and Enicom:
Nothing warms my heart more than seeing non-believers purposefully skew the scriptures and then ignore other verses at the same time.
Here’s a little something from 1 Corinthians 14:20, I use a few different translations to make it easier to understand.
“Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.”
“Dear brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your understanding of these things. Be innocent as babies when it comes to evil, but be mature in understanding matters of this kind.”
“Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.”
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 11:16am@LUKERW
WRONG! An adult athiest was never brainwashed by his parents and or church to believe in such nonsense or went to church for a period of time like myself and denies all that the church stands for and believes. Yea , I am one of the lucky ones to escape form the grasp of the church and not being able to think for myself.
Report Post »SuperX1
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:17pmWhy would anyone want to advertise they killed a unborn child? It’s just sick. This is the face of evil.
Report Post »IslandAtheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:15pmShe’s my brave little hero, I was glad to contribute to her college fund. Here’s her speaking at the Reason Rally. http://youtu.be/1G__Yo6vTiw
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:48pmOh my,………..thanks for the laugh.
“My brave little hero?”
Are you serious?
Since you like youtube, and are a fan of comedy, and atheism………..check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9KfeL8t-7c&feature=relmfu
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:14pm@ISLANDATHEIST
If you contributed to her college fund, you are truly a schlubb.
She is going to make some serious change from a book deal any day now, and then she will be handed a high paying, do nothing job somewhere within the progressive network.
That is why she and her handlers have orchestrated this whole fiasco in the first place.
Change your name to “Rube”…….cause you got took.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 5:29pm@ISLANDATHEIST
What’s up with the new super neato atheist logo?
Why the change?
Just so you know, there are others here that are already using it.
Why do you feel the need to advertise your nothingness in both your name, and your avatar?
Isn’t that kind of like claiming to “belong” to something?
Report Post »Hova
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:03amOkay, Billy. Calm down. Your multiple posts make it seem like you are belligerent right now. Why are you so aggressive to a person who has supported another person for a cause he agrees with? Tell me, are there no Christian charities that accept millions of dollars a year for purely Christian causes?
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:06pmOur country is going to hell without the handbasket, we’re skidding into hell with road rash.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:00pmThey have plenty of storage room in that special place left unoccupied by a soul. I always wondered what atheists did with the space?
Report Post »omgfolks
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:00pmTeen Athiest? Really? Does she even understand what she is doing? Does she think she is doing good in this world? She needs to just go home and GROW UP.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:07amWow. Mhmm. Really? Okay. Uh-huh. Wow, those are some neat points you bring up.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:00pmThis girl is loving the praise and fame she has gotten in her fight against God. She does not believe in God so she does not believe in Satan but oh my how Satan believes in her. She is unknowingly Satan’s servant..
The only accolades she will ever recieve are earthly ones, the only crown she will ever wear is a crown of infamy. I do not like her advocation, I do not like her or her supporters but God gave us all free will. I actually feel very sorry for you Jessica Ahlquist.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:04pmI’m sure she feels bad for you, “believing” in imaginary things.
Report Post »Prolife Conservative Atheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:56amAmerican Humanist Association’s 71st Convention.
This year’s theme for the AHA conference is, “The Atheists Go Marching In.”
Yeah, no politics here. Just call the event as it really is “Leftist ProAbort Atheist Convention”. Stop marginalizing the rest of us decent nontheists.
Not all atheists (nonreligious types) are ProAbortion Leftists!!!
I sat through my sister’s graduation at Columbia University, and had to wait through Gloria Steinem recieving an honorary degree (while listening to cheers and praise from my mom). Ugh. Then the retelling of the story over and over again to other family members and friends throughout the day, Oh My Nature, good grief.
Report Post »Tom K
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:52amGloria Steinem – Humanist of the Year – in her “ I Had an Abortion ” t-shirt ? Am I the only one that sees the contradiction ? Here is another contradiction: ” to bring about a progressive society where being good without god(s) is an accepted way of life “. There is only One God ! Let us all pray for this young woman – she is in the grasp of the prince of darkness, Satan. The Progressives are just going to drag her on down into Hell with them.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:02pmThese are disgusting, Godless people who should be pitied.
Report Post »mom4times
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:11pmher t-shirt should read………I should have been an abortion…..It would really fit her better
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:03pmHow can a humanist kill her human fetus, seems so inhumane.
Report Post »65Mustang
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:52amRegarding teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist, whom among us did not see this coming…I feel sorry for her and the life she will lead being a poster child for “degenerate behavior.”
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:03pmShe’s young enough that she could change. God has a way of beating you over the head with a 2X4 when He wants your attention.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:42pmJessica has more class and wisdom in her little finger than most Blazers. she should be recognized for her courage in the face of unimaginable hatred and bigotry.
she’s never said a hateful thing about religion or the religious. yet so many good Christians have condemned her to hell-fire (which i‘m sure she doesn’t care about), called her viscious names, and threatened her to physical harm.
who, might i ask, has the moral high ground here?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:09pmAnd she’ll ride that moral high ground straight to the place of wailing, weeping and gnashing of teeth unless she repents. What you athiests don’t get is that you will not be judged against your christian contemporaries. You will be judged against Christ Himself. I believe you will be found lacking just like we christians would be. The difference is when a christian is judged, God will not see us, He will see His Son instead. He offers that gift to you also.
The very nature of what this girl is doing is satanic and against God. She does not wish us well. She wishes for our destruction whether she realizes it or not. Because, she is of her father the devil and he is for our destruction. Satan wants to destroy all athiests too, when he is done using you. But “God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:20pmWisdom only comes from God – through the fear of God – and, the ” fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.” King James.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:23pmPhillyatheist – She‘s so moral and wise that she’s trying to eradicate religious freedom. Atheists hate religious freedom.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:40pmSQUIDVETOHIO — If there is an afterlife and Judgement, I hope I am judged against my Christian temporaries. Considering their behavior, judging, condemning, hating, threatening…it is a good standard to be compared against.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:41pm65Mustang — how do you know she engages in degenerate behavior?
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:52pmBruce – You’ve committed the same behaviors that you condemn Christians for, hypocrite. So quit shoving tolerance and diversity down our throats.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:17pm@PHILLYATHEIST
Though I don’t agree that she has more class, it is true that she is courageous.
Anyone who stands up for their beliefs is courageous, especially if they have to endure the kind of ridicule and threats she has. We must remember that she is a child, and should not be subject to this kind of behavior.
Though I do not agree with her, I would have to be ignorant to say she does not have courage.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:26pmBROTHER – nice comment. as for class, she has never said an ill word about those who have verbally attacked her or threatened her. imo, that shows a great deal of character, especially for a teenager.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:29pmPhillyatheist – She’s so classy that she wants to eradicate freedom of religion.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:43pm@BROTHER_ED
I haven‘t followed her comments as much as I’ve followed her detractors comments.
If that is true, then I agree – she has acted more dignified than her opponents, and that is a sign of class.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:55pmBROTHERED – as far as i am concerned, even with our differences in belief, you are my brother. thanks for showing the kindness and level-headedness of true Christianity.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 4:23pm@PHILLYATHEIST
Back at you.
It’s funny how civilization has forgotten how to be civil.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:10pm@SQUIDVETOHIO
What you Christian‘s can’t comprehend is that we don’t care what you say happens after we die because we are smart enough to realize that it is unlikely anything happens after death.
We are also smart enough to realize, that even if something does happen, your made up mumbo jumbo is just as unlikely as the Jews, Mormons, Muslims, and the idiots who believed in Zeus, Thor and the other crazy made up Gods.
When will you understand….I don’t care what you believe, I really don’t. Your belief is irrelevant to me. Do I care what you think? Yes, because you actually have to provide facts and evidence but since you can’t do any of that, you resort to “belief.”
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:51amBoth of them want to eradicate religious freedom and turn this country into another Marxist dictatorship.
Report Post »Orpheus75
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50amAmazing too, this kind of garbage coming from those that don’t want others beliefs shoved down THEIR throats, but boy, won’t hesitate a moment to shove theirs down others and remove others rights.
Report Post »drkmagneto
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:14pmAnd here I thought I was the only one who saw this. Nobody is forcing the Atheists to believe, just as we don’t want to be forced to “not believe in G-d”. It’s a two-way respect street, but they don’t understand that. They take the “separation of church and state” statement(which is not in the Constitution by the way) way too literally and stretch it further than the Obama Admin has tried to stretch the “Commerce Clause” to mean you can’t have any mention of G-d or religion anywhere in the public place. I too feel sorry for Jessica and the empty life she will lead.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:43pmNo one atheist is forcing their beliefs down your throat. You are safe.
What is not safe, however, is the idea that Christians have that they possess more rights, have a place of favor and privilege over other beliefs. That is what is being challenged. Not your faith. But how government is used to enforce faith.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:54pmBruce – Yes you atheists are trying to silence freedom of religion so that you thin skinned babies aren’t offended.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:54pmBruce – Nobody is forcing you to believe in Christianity, so stop lying. You’re just a whiny crybaby who has to sue and bully in order to get your way.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:04pm@GIT-R-DONE
I have never seen BRUCE P use personal attacks. He is always articulate and polite. He has a point of view that is different than mine concerning religion, but he is a good man. In some ways, I see him as being more Christian than most who profess to be believers.
If the only thing I knew about Christianity came from reading the comments on this site, I would not be interested in joining a church.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:47pmBrother_Ed – You mean by supporting silencing Christianity is acting like a Christian? Denouncing Christians all the time is acting like a Christian?
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 4:34pm@GIT-R-DONE
I don’t believe BRUCE or PHILLY or the others want to abolish Christianity. I believe their only gripe is using our government buildings and public lands as a platform to promote a specific religion.
I also believe they have fun pointing out the hypocrisy of the many Christians who don’t seem to live the tenets of their religion, but are quick to damn someone to hell for disagreeing with them.
A persons religion is a personal matter – it could be called an opinion – and as such, we need to recognize that we may be wrong.
In either case, I appreciate the right to be wrong and afford them the same courtesy.
I believe we Christians should preach the Gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words.
I appreciate their comments. They are, as far as I can tell, good people and I will stand up for them.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:14amBROTHER ED – Amen!
Report Post »Watcher1952
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50amThis young person is doing this for the recognition and of course the money…what goes around will come back around and she will pay in some way…bet on it…..the tortures in her life will be many. As far as Gloria…the only thing she did that was productive was burn her bra and let the TA TA’s hang down for all to view….in her day they looked pretty good…..today just a couple of hanger downers
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:45pmPray tell…what kind of tortures does Jessica Ahlquist have in store?
Report Post »bustedupvet
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 1:58amShe looks like a crack whore that had a brain enema
Report Post »cause_for_thought
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50amShe is doing it for a popularity contest, I am sure she loves all the praises she receives.
Report Post »MrSunshine
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:44amSteinem will receive a HUMANIST award? She’s pictured wearing a baby killer t-shirt yet she is a humanist? She’s about as much of a humanist as Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin.
This world is upside-freakin-down!!
Report Post »Orpheus75
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:42am”to bring about a progressive society where being good without gods is an accepted way to live life.”
Report Post »Because it’s worked so well in past societies.
Better to be honored in Heaven by our Lord, than be honored on Earth by others without wisdom.
Infidel49
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:42amEnjoy your stay in hell, for all eternity. See if you have that big smile on your face then.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50amYou should take a moment, before saying that next time, and realize that you seem somewhat giddy at the thought of eternal torture.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:06pmWV – So what? They made their bed, they can lie in it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:14pm@Git
I’m sure the Muslims are saying the same thing about you. But I‘m guessing you don’t care that they believe that about you right?
Well guess how I feel about your telling me that I’ve made my bed and can lie in it?
Your belief is meaningless to me and you come off sounding like a child.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:57pm@ModerationIsBest
We don’t care what they think because Christianity is the One True Faith as Christ demonstrated by fulfilling Messianic Prophecy. Providing us with extremely precise mathematically undeniable proof that Christ is the foretold Messiah. That is why the existence of other religions and their claims doesn’t mean anything to us.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:23amSeriously, that‘s the point we’re coming to. Discussing whether or not being supportive of eternal torture is justified. You want my two cents? It isn’t.
Report Post »whathappenedtomycountry
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:42amGreat! This is disgusting how can you show honor to a dead person and a baby killer. Only in America, I mean it is our freedom to choose and that is a basic right in our country but to be honored is just sad. I pray God will show them the way and that they repent before the Lord.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:42amMany of Israelites in the wilderness that followed Moses refused to believe as well – even after witnessing all the miracles that God revealed unto them – not surprised – Part of the curse.
Report Post »scootervanneuter
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:41amTheir father is no doubt very proud of them – enjoy eternity together
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:11pmIt will be a very long night for them, sadly.
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:40amI’m all for people being good with or without God in their lives. My problem is that those that don’t believe want to take it all away from those that do believe.
Report Post »Orpheus75
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:49amYou nailed it!
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:00pmTheir is no good without God.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:04pmYou said it right BDANDSL!
Report Post »otoa
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:37amActs 9
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Conversion of Saul
Report Post »9 Now [a]Saul, still breathing [b]threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” 7 The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the [c]voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he [d]could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
thegreatcarnac
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:36amTHIBX said it all.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:59amHate to be a witness to that – but , they still have a chance to change.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:17pmGod has provided all of us a way to go through the “ Firmament ” and come out made to exist forever – it’s our choice to make !
Report Post »thibx
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:32amhell bound.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:45amIf that’s true, your god’s worse than Hitler.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:49amWV – Only an evil stupid person would consider those two to be good people. Those two support eradicating religious freedom just like you do.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:00pmThe fire is always hotter when one moves closer to it !
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:14pmSo Git, you concur with God’s judgement that these two would deserve to burn forever in eternal torture? That is why I say God is worse than Hitler. Hitler may have killed millions but that was only temporary. How much worse does eternal torture for tens of billions stack up against Hitler’s crimes?
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:36pm@WV
Hitler forced people into the death camps. Hell is the result of personal choices just like prison is.
Report Post »MOS 11B
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 12:52pmWvernon God could care less what you think!
Report Post »An active proponant for the murder of babies is
the same as Hitler!As far as your concerned you
will be joining them in H-ell unless of course you
repent for your sinful nature & accept Lord Jesus
gift of Salvation.If you do not enjoy your eternal
Damnation with your father Satan because you
will only be at the gates of Heaven for a split second
before Lord Jesus says“I know you not”then you
get put in the express elevator to H-ell.Every tongue
will confess & every knee shall bow including yours.
DeavonReye
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 3:31pmPetey. . . WRONG. It can never be a truly personal choice when one side is completely absent and thousands of OTHER religions are telling you that THEY are right. Only a sadist would put someone through that.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:46pmAlso, God, ostensibly according to Christian myth, drowned the WHOLE PLANET accept ONE FAMILY and a SINGLE pair of every species he wanted to preserve. Now with the slightest knowledge of biology that’s PATENTLY ABSURD…BUT, let‘s just SAY that it’s true–doesn’t THAT make God more evil than Hitler? Hitler killed several million, few if any for good reasons, but God killed UNFATHOMABLE numbers of people AT RANDOM, not just not for good reasons or for bad reasons, but for NO REASON AT ALL. In fact, when Noah (supposedly) ASKED God about this VERY thing, God’s response was more-or-less “acceptable losses” (the consideration certainly didn’t STOP God from, purportedly, drowning all life one Earth save Noah et al., and you’ve got to imagine there must have been SOME babies and pregnant women down there, so obviously God can’t be THAT opposed to abortion).
Yeah–if the God of Christianity IS real, then Satan clearly had the right idea and the appropriate reaction to the CHARACTER attributed to God time and time again in God’s depictions throughout Christian scripture.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:06pmThird, check out Genesis revisited by Zechariah Sitchin, No BS I think you would thouroghly enjoy it.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:40am@The Third Archon
1. Implying that our understanding of biology precludes the Flood commits the Fallacy of Incredulity. Our ability to understand the mechanism of action has no bearing on the possibility or likelihood of any event.
2. By implying that G-d has not met a moral standard you admit that there is an moral standard that should be met. If that moral standard is based on your opinion than G-d’s opinion is as valid as yours. So you would have no right to claim that G-d was acting immorally. If that moral standard is based on some authority, as the Creator there is no higher authority than G-d . Making His actions moral by definition. Again giving you no right to claim that G-d acted immorally.
3. You have created a straw man to serve as the subject of your argument instead of the actual G-d we worship. By saying G-d has not met a moral standard you imply that you are morally superior to G-d. Yet G-d as Actus Purus necessarily has all perfections. Making it impossible for G-d to be inferior to anything else. Thus your concept of G-d assumes a quality of imperfection that G-d cannot have.
Your argument here is based on logical fallacies.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:51amThere are imperfections to the biblical god that can be found if you look in the right places. I found them, so anyone is capable to find them, too.
[In other words, don't ask me to show what you are capable of finding with due diligence.]
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:26amG-d as Actus Purus necessarily has all perfections. If you want to talk metaphysics I’m game.
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