Teen Atheist Wins Big: School District Won’t Appeal Ruling to Take Down Prayer Banner
- Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:03am by
Billy Hallowell
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On Thursday night, a massive crowd gathered at Cranston High School West in Cranston, Rhode Island, to discuss the future of a controversial prayer mural that has captured headlines for months. While many came to protest a court ruling that found the banner to be unconstitutional, others praised the teen atheist who fought its presence. Last night’s meeting, which CBS News likened, at least at its start, to “a rabid shout fest,” ended with the Cranston School Committee voting 5-2 not an appeal the judge’s mandate that the mural be taken down.
As the Blaze has extensively reported, the case was brought against the school district by 16-year-old Jessica Ahlquist, an atheist who claimed she found the sign offensive. In January, U.S. District Court Judge Ronald Lagueux agreed with the young woman, which has sparked outrage, protests and frustration in the local community.
The district’s reasoning for not pursuing the case, it seems, has more to do with money than it does a disregard for religious liberty. We’ve reported about the extensive expenses associated with the case. Already, the battle has cost taxpayers $173,000 — and this was merely for the monies needed to defend against the lawsuit Ahlquist launched with the Rhode Island chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
According to the school committee, the total cost if the district launched an appeal and it reached the Supreme Court could have come in at $500,000. In a time when budgets are diminishing and tough decisions need to be made, the financial needs of the district clearly took precedent.
A prayer banner, center, is seen on the wall of an auditorium at Cranston High School West, in Cranston, R.I., Thursday, Oct. 13, 2011. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)
“I’m really pleased with the decision,” Ahlquist, who was present at the event, said following the vote. “It’s obviously the decision I wanted the School Committee to make and I’m thrilled.”
In a press release issued following the vote, the American Humanist Association, an atheist and freethinking-led organization, praised the district’s choice not to continue the battle, while offering up accolades for Ahlquist.
Teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist
“Given the strength of the ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Ronald R. Lagueux, it would have been tough for the school system to appeal,” Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, said. “We’re certainly glad that the committee decided to not waste any more time and money in pursuing one.”
“Jessica Ahlquist has stood up against her most vehement and vile critics with class and style,” he continued. “Her example shows how a fight should be undertaken in favor of protecting the freedoms we are guaranteed by our constitution. Everyone should offer a healthy measure of gratitude to her and her family.”
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Comments (998)
expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:01amThe more I think about this the more pissed off I get. Let’s review:
US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendment I, specifically the first part:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So here we have a naredowell who claims something that does not exist (freedom FROM religion instead of freedom OF religion) because there is no attempt here of “Congress making a law respecting establishment OF religion”, while that marxist POTUS violates the second part of the first part by “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” when it comes to the religious conscious of Catholics and other religious of a similar mind. We better all be Catholics now because our world has been turned upside down, inside out.
cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:11amActivist Judges on the US Supreme Court……..for a recent example look at that lunatic Ruth Gingsburg and how she directs “others” to not look at the US Constitution as a shining example but to look at the South African Constitution!!! Yes, our government needs a reset button or a pause button!!!
Miyegombo Bayartsogt
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:23amYeah. I hope all the people of faith at the school sudden start acting strange and begin being mean and violent and lawless rule breakers who willy-nilly engage in risky sexual behavior and theft and blasphemy and cursing and taking the Lord’s name in vain all sorts of mean, nasty things. This will show the school system that without prayer and the threat of eternal damnation people will naturally act like animals. As soon as you take prayer from the prayers,steal faith from the faithful, there is nothing left to keep them from abandoning moral codes taking off their clothes and acting like animals.
TheGoo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:23amI guess you won a battle, huh, Jessica? You’re too self-absorbed to realize you lost the war eternal. Stay hot, sweet-meat.
I look forward to the day when that soulless tart winds up in Hell.
Report Post »neffy812
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:31amHoly crap! You listen to way too much Glenn Beck. Think for yourself for F’s sake!
Report Post »Marcobob69
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:32amFull-speed ahead on the war against religion! Could the people that brought this lawsuit have simply walked past the mural and ignored it? Of course they could. But why do that when they can wreck things for the people that actually enjoy reading the mural? People just plain make me sick with their self-serving “politically correct” BS. First the Jews, then the Catholics, where will the “fickle finger of Obama”-oops, I meant “fate” fall next? Just wait, it shouldn’t take long to find something new to beat religion down with! We are finding out what type of people we have “working for us” in Washington, D.C., the kind that do NOTHING to stop this crap!
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:32amCEMERIUS,
Report Post »It’s minds like yours that make rational, clear thinking, reasonable people shake their heads in disbelief. If this is how you think (and speak) then it’s obvious that your faith is rooted in quick sand.
You have no solid ground on which to stand.
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:34amBeg your pardon, I was talking to THEGOO.
Report Post »readytostand
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:34amJust another little God Hater,! I am sure there will be a gov’t job for her some where down the road ! Spoiled little Brat , wants her 5 minutes of fame !!
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:43amNow that all of that is behind her she can focus on the promotion of killing human babies (abortion) and putting Inuit (eskimo) people on the welfare lines because she doesnt want people to hunt seals, all the while she drives a gas burning automobile to protest Canadians building a pipeline that would help Americans warm thier homes at a cheaper cost than the imported women killing Saudi oil. Can you say HELL IN HAND BASKET?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:43amThis is why every republican, every church, every christian, every one that loves this nation should demand daily that all public education be defunded instantly. Public education is nothing more than an indoctrination tool of the left.
Report Post »mediaaccess
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:46amIt is truly a difficult time for justice is it not? Is man truly clever, is the question for our times.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:00amMany school boards are filled with panty waist, spineless, ball less dweebs who profoundly do not deserve to be elected, but since many grounded in truth Americans let the other guy or goil accede to the positions, this is the kind of result we too regularly get.
Report Post »AndiAndiAndi
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:00amHow about a copy of the 1st amendment put on a banner and displayed.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:00amFor 230yrs it was okay for stuff like that to be in a school. Heck, the Bible used to be a school book, for Pete’s sake. Now one little punk kid can turn it all around. Anyone that thinks that America will survive if this is the way things are done now, then they are just stupid. We are not America anymore. I’m just beside myself. How crazy is it, that this kid can turn around 230yrs of legal precedent on a whim? America is no more…………………….
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:10amI am an Athiest and a American Libertarian.
Therefore I respect others beliefs.
This girl irritates me. She is another Nosy Rosy.
I believe in, be and let be. She obviously does not. She must be a liberal.
I execise my right to not look at something that offends me.
This girl is an offensive idiot.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:12amNO worrys….Obummer will simply make this young naive girl> CZAR of BANNERS
I feel sorry for her.
Her parents alllowed her to be a pawn.
Bet she hates using money with IN GOD WE TRUST
What a totally useless idiot.
OMG in 2012
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:15amA great win for the US Constitution and the First Amendment. The Tea Party, which claims to love the Constitution, must be celebrating this victory and honoring this young, brave girl.
HKS
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:20amJudges are trained idiots, they look at the laws upside down, like a democrat. Oh, they are democrats. Well here’s the deal, they look only at the side with which they agree (politically). They bend the constitution to suit their beliefs, like they were taught in school. I guess those liberal schools teach law that way. If you want to solve these idiot problems you must go to the source, our schools, let idiots teach in a government school and idiots are what you get.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:20amIn spiritual terms she loses big time. On a reasonable persons rule of thumb she loses as well and just shows how hateful she is towards anything good and wholesome. Those who attack these harmless dare I say verbages around the country are the same ones who also live in darkness. They call it good but its anything but good. Its Godless and therefore on the road to ruin.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:21amShe deserves the amoral pragmatic chestless coward of a man she’s bound to end up with, the product of such a world view that finds fault in that banner (read it, you don’t even have to be Christian to find the words uplifting and courageous).
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:21am@neffy812
You pray to F?
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:24amI find the taking down of this banner offensive. Should I sue?
Report Post »gofigureinternational
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:31am@ Ontario…That is absolutely correct. All while they can hang up a poster sized mural praising Allah during “World Culture” class teaching them the ideology behind the Muslim religion for 9 weeks (which recently occurred in a Jr. High around here). And many parents are so disengaged with the self-importance of their own lives to even notice. The liberals pick and choose whatever is convenient for their argument. Clearly the Founding Fathers had no intention of removing God from society; they simply wanted to keep from the government establishing its own religion. It will only get worse if BHO gets a 2nd term to overhaul the Supreme Court and the Appeals Courts further. Though it may already be past the point of no return.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:33amI don‘t understand how she couldn’t just advert her eyes and ignore the banner. How does a prayer banner really affect her daily life? Was she thinking about it day and night, unable to sleep, unable to focus on school work or worshiping her Satan? Doesn’t she realize she was out numbered and the only reason why she got her way is because of a judge that has a very weak grasp of the constitution? I’m sure out of all the students and staff that have passed through that school while the banner hung, there were a lot that disagreed with the banner but went about their business and NOT TRY TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. What an ugly, UGLY little girl she is.
We all know why this was an easy victory for this little neanderthal. The current climate of religious bigotry was made possible but that guy in the Oval Office.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:37am@encinom
Post your address so I can donate money to you so you are able to purchase something called A CLUE.
Report Post »OHSundevil
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:38amThe school needs to remove the “prayer”, “heavenly father”, and “amen” portion and then call it a school motto and make everyone repeat it everyday. That ought to drive that girl nuts…
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:41amI wonder why some one hasn‘t reported the little tart’s parents to Child protective Services. The Parents have put their child danger no matter what the verdict. I hope the county doesn’t have to provide 24 hour protection. Sonnern or laqter some nut will get revenge! The SDchoole is out $173,000 and the kid Zip – why didn‘t local business’s contribute and the community? Also she had the ACLU and the school didn’t get the ACLU to counter sue. Where is their own legal reps. They also could have contacted AFAU (Americans For Americans United) to represent them
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:44amCan anyone tell me what’s offensive about a plea to be a better student and a better person? That’s what the prayer on the banner is saying. This indoctrinated little urchin of a girl has created a toxic environment for herself at her school. She should find another school now that she’s done her damage.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:50amwell of course MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE….you would think Ginsberg’s words are to be ignored so you mock CEMERIUS. It’s no secret that the left has launched an assault on the constitution, either hiding behind it as this urchin of a girl has done (I believe she’s happy to take Christian holidays like Good Friday and Christmas off from school, nor has she filed any suits to remove these holidays from Federal, state and local agency calendars), or demeaning it (it’s old, it’s antiquated, it’s not relevent to a modern society…ad nauseum) or ignoring it (Obamacare and it’s myriad offenses there). The constiution is what’s preventing the left from forcing this country into statism. Do you really believe you’re fooling anyone?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:54amIf I were the school I’d modify the banner and put it back up. Take away School Prayer and put instead “School Creed”. Take away “Heavenly Father” and put “Our Creator”. Try suing to remove a creed that invokes the same creator the declaration of independence invokes. In fact I’m tempted to contact the school and tell them the same.
Report Post »Falindraun
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:55amI as a republican atheist just ask that everybody keep their religions (all of them christian and muslim) to themselves. To explain on the freedom of/from comment because the public school system is funded (in part to some degree) by the federal government the christian prayer being posted in the school could be seen as the federal government “respecting an establishment of religion” in this case christianity. If you put up a prayer for one religion then you must either put one up for all religions or none at all.
Report Post »zman173rd
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:56amCouldn’t the school put the banner in an enclosed frame with a plaque to demonstrate to the children how they can affect the day to day lives of others? I mean they could still hang it up but use it as a tool for education? That way they could still show the banner, but place the “judgement” in a frame next to it explaining how someone feels how their civil rights have been violated?
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:58am@Manchurian.Candidate
“It’s minds like yours that make rational, clear thinking, reasonable people shake their heads in disbelief. ”
Yes, we are shaking our heads because of the clueless like you.
Report Post »simplyshan
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:58amFor God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life……..Better to believe and be wrong than to not believe and be wrong……I wonder how THRILLED she will be when she finds she was wrong, frankly I feel sorry for her and all like her
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:09am@Rational man
You are correct.
The U.N.’s IMF began foreclosure on the “United States” in 1992 after holding the international lien since 1944, acquired at the Bretton Woods Treaty.
Look it up. Specifically, Bushes EO 12803 – The Infrastructure Privatization Act of 1992.
AMERICA WAS FOR SALE !!!!!
IT SOLD FAST !!!!
Now the corporation has a bunch of “squtters” clinging to their bibles and guns, and thinking they still have a representative republic.
What a bunch of fools we are, huh?
Agenda 21 began in 1992. Coincidence ?
Slowkill chemtrails began in 1996.
This leads these stubborn squatters to the Doctor‘s so the global elite’s branches can get all of the rest of your money through Health Insurance and Pharmaceuticals.
Report Post »Diomasach
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:09amencinom;
Report Post »If this was a victory for the Constitution then I would be supporting it. But it isn’t. It is a clear violation of the First Amendment – abridging the free practice of religion. And don’t even bother starting with the “establishment clause” until you can tell me how a small municipal school district hanging a generic banner that does not single out any single religious belief somehow rises to the level of Congress establishing a government religion.
It is patently ridiculous.
If she wants to extoll the virtues of her faith, then she is free to do so. If she asked to have a similar banner somewhere else extolling good sportmanship (ironic, given her utter lack) from an Atheist perspective I would have supported her 100% because that is the free excercise of religion. As Americans we are free to express ourselves. But WE ARE NOT free to tear down others’ banners and silence those we disagree with.
This is no different from the Taliban destroying the Afghan Buddhas. It is religious intolerance. And we are better than that.
right-wing-waco
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:12am@OHSundevil
I think you have a winning answer. Drop the offensive words and have the student body vote on accepting the balance as the school motto. We should all contact the school with the idea. One other option is to find Jessica to be offensive and remove her.
@ENCINOM
Report Post »Please return to watching your pornos and leave the comments to the adults.
expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:23amHey Neffy
Report Post »When does agreement with true statements, no matter who mentions them (Glenn Beck and “we all better be Catholics now”) prove those who agree aren’t thinking for themselves? When any group is being attacked, unjustly, don’t you think it a good idea to stand with and support them? Or are you the kind who “doesn’t get involved” and stands by and watches the bully beat up the small kid for not giving him his lunch money? That‘s kind of what’s going on here with that disgrace of a POTUS. Give up your principles and morals (lunch money) or I’ll fine the crap out of you and maybe throw you in IRS jail (beat you up). So please look for the antidote to your Beck Derangement Syndrome quick. I know what that is too…prayer.
Rational Man
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:24amOHSundevil
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:38am
The school needs to remove the “prayer”, “heavenly father”, and “amen” portion and then call it a school motto and make everyone repeat it everyday. That ought to drive that girl nuts…
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AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:54am
If I were the school I’d modify the banner and put it back up. Take away School Prayer and put instead “School Creed”. Take away “Heavenly Father” and put “Our Creator”. Try suing to remove a creed that invokes the same creator the declaration of independence invokes. In fact I’m tempted to contact the school and tell them the same.
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Taking God out of a prayer, is not a prayer. This kind of compromise is how we got to where we are now in this country in the first place. No compromise!! The prayer should stay and the girl should learn to live in the Christian nation she was born in, or leave. This decision is un-American and unconstitutional. There used to be morning prayer in school before this form of multi-culturalism was allowed to invade America. Multi-culturalism is usually thought of as being centered on immigrants. But this sort of anti-Americanism is probably a more insidious and dangerous form of multi-culturalism than Islam. Eventhough they work hand in ha
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:42amWhere are/were the ACLJ and the Pacific Legal Foundation?
Isnt’ this why we donate to them? To FIGHT our legal battles?
Also, WHY are we seemingly not organized AT ALL, while the athiest, God-haters, and communists are linked up with split-second communications?
I’m plumb OUT of duct tape, folks.
Report Post »ERICCS
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:48amIt’s absolutely amazing that Atheist believe there is no God, (Psalm 14:1) yet they believe every lie that comes from their father who’s name is Satan, who has deceived them and has constantly manipulated them to the point where they are so blind that this poor little girl who also has been manipulated are headed down the road that leads to death. It’s very sad because one day they all must stand before our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ and give an account. How are Atheist, who have taken sides with Satan and rebelled against God (Jesus Christ) who created heaven and Earth, going to explain why they rejected him. These people (Atheist) who continue to look foolish following the likes of Darwin, who also was deceived by Satan, our running around mocking and scoffing @ all Christians who know the truth, and misleading and corrupting every facet of life itself who don‘t love themselves and hate everyone who doesn’t agree with there world view, from which this poor little has fallen prey too, these people fall in lock step with the likes of Margaret Sanger, Aldous Huxley, Darwin etc.., and all the rest of these so called scholars, who were nothing more than puppets of Satan. It’s so said. And we as Christians must pray for these lost souls especially for the girl who doesn’t have a clue and walking in darkness, yet there is still hope for her and everyone in this world. Let’s love these people and pray for them, especially the Atheist, hoping Jesus Christ will open t
Report Post »neffy812
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:49am@LookTowardsTheLight
Hell yes I do. It’s the best thing ever.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:09pm@ AVENGERK,
“If I were the school I’d modify the banner and put it back up. Take away School Prayer and put instead “School Creed”. Take away “Heavenly Father” and put “Our Creator”. Try suing to remove a creed that invokes the same creator the declaration of independence invokes. In fact I’m tempted to contact the school and tell them the same”.
That’s actually not a bad idea. With a few modifications of course. But I’d be amenable to some sort of compromise in an effort to satisfy all concerned. As long as one side doesn’t feel it is more RIGHTEOUS than the other, I’m fine with it. Personally, I could care less about some stupid prayer banner. It’s not the banner that I would object to. It’s the insistence by the right that THIS IS THE WAY IT IS NO MATTER WHAT, mentality. You guys think that your rights are being taken away, they’re not. It‘s just that the rest of us don’t want you stuffing it down our throats. But you just don’t get that. It’s obnoxious religious snobbery.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:12pmJessica Ahlquist, If YOU find this banner offensive, don’t look at it….
Report Post »No one said YOU have to say the prayer, I find YOU and your kind
OFFENSIVE……What are MY options ?????
What is wrong with “Live and Let Live” with you people ?????
last frontier
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:15pmFunny you can have thousands of people vote for something and the court over turns it time after time, then you get one ****, or atheist, or communist POS come forward and it stands every time. and our mealymouthed little worms in congress that are suppose to be on our side stay silent time after time I know they cant over turn the courts decision but there not doing much to help us either.
Report Post »rmarchy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:17pmProgressiveism is basically humanism and therefore it is a religion. The courts have defined it as such years ago. Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488, 495, n. 11 (1961), we did indeed refer to “SECULAR HUMANISM” as a “religio[n].”
If Christians propagate their values, it is an “establishment clause” violation, but if Secular Humanists propagate their values, then it’s not. These atheists, humanists, don’t believe in God, so that means they think Christians are foolish in believing in God because there isn’t one according to their belief. Ok fine, if there isn’t a God than according to their own construct, that means both religious values and atheist values are both man made. If that’s true, then what makes one value better than the other, since both values are man made? So therefore why do atheistic values get the preferential treatment in our policy making rather than religious ones… as Selwyn Duke has argued.
What people value are always inherent in the laws that we legislate. But Humanistic values always prevail, why is that? For example, the humanists value a woman’s right to choose to kill innocent life because they value promiscuity without consequence or responsibility. Yet at the same time they value a death row inmate’s right to life when he has murdered people. Ok fine, but why do their values win and get put into law at the end of the day?
I value the opposite. Why is it that laws based on my values don’t get legislated, but law
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:25pmMANCHURIAN CANDIDATE….Frankly…I couldn’t give a d@mn what a vacuous, leftist creep like you would accept or not. Please…spare us your idiocies here and go get “offended” at some other benign banner somewhere else if you will.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:34pmAgreed–This interpretation of the Constitution is Absolute Insanity!!!
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:40pmMarxism is the opiate of Democrats, Communists, Socialists, Feminists, Progressives, and yes Atheists too. This is just more brainwashing at the hands of Godless Marxism running amok in our taxpayer funded public education facilities as shown in Marxist Valley College. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iVmh0VCkL4
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:13pmChurches should start buying up property right next to, across the street from, or within view of these schools. Kids can go across the street to pray before school, after school, or during lunch periods where going off campus is permitted. The football teams that want to pray before a game, can pray off school property, out of their uniforms, before going to the school and dressing out. manger scenes can be placed out front, not on school property. This clearly will separate the church from the state. What are they going to do next, say the church cannot buy property within so many feet from a school? It’s always about the right of the atheist, what about the rights of the non-atheists? Do they not count any more?
Report Post »Zenzazin
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:22pmin no way whatsoever does this decision prevent students from praying or holding the particular beliefs that they may hold. what this decision DOES do is separate church and state, since this is a public school and therefore directly connected to the gov’t, it has no right to promote one religious ideology over the other (especially since there are students who do not hold the same beliefs). No one is saying you can’t believe in your religion or pray while you are at school. Instead, they are saying you cannot force your religion on others by promoting its prayers, etc on government property. get a grip and quit whining every time you don’t get exactly what you want.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:25pmYou don’t get it.. it is now a battle of evil and good… its going to be hell from here on out, but in the end.. good will win and evil.. well it always loses. Thank You God! If you all do anything it is now the time to choose. “Whome will ye serve, God or mammon”! I choose God!
Report Post »K Chad Roberts
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:28pmFreedom of religion has never really existed here in America. If it did, then we would see polygamy (quakers, mormons, muslems). I, personally, wish to see TRUE freedom come. One of the best ways to do this, is to take “Marriage” out of the tax code, and out of the law books. Next, we need to send school funding back to the localities. While I personally insist that the Federal government DOES have a role in education… the way it functions now simply impinges on freedom and progress in the educational field.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:32pmI hope she’s real proud of herself with her fifteen seconds of fame/shame. Just like a good little liberal twit, completely intolerant of most everyone else’s beliefs.
This is just a two-bit version of something called “tyranny of the minority”.
Report Post »Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:34pm@AvengerK You said: If I were the school I’d modify the banner and put it back up. Take away School Prayer and put instead “School Creed”. Take away “Heavenly Father” and put “Our Creator”. Try suing to remove a creed that invokes the same creator the declaration of independence invokes. In fact I’m tempted to contact the school and tell them the same”
It was requested that the “Heavenly Father” and “Amen” be removed so that the prayer could be re-named a school creed. That request was denied. The school brought this on themselves.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:35pm@Manchurian.Candidate DOLT
“But you have no interest in finding a solution or compromise to this or any issue.”
Actually, we do have SOLUTIONS and no WE WON’T COMPROMISE because compromise with people on your side just causes more and more troubles.
You ****** on the left always have 4th grade solutions to adult problems.
Like someone else mentioned, this is Good vs Evil. The lines have been drawn MANCHURIAN and we know what side you are on. It’s ashame that we have to refer to you as an American when you comment like the enemy.
GAME ON!
Report Post »Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:41pm@ Miyegombo Bayartsogt: You said”I hope all the people of faith at the school sudden start acting strange and begin being mean and violent and lawless rule breakers who willy-nilly engage in risky sexual behavior and theft and blasphemy and cursing and taking the Lord’s name in vain all sorts of mean, nasty things. This will show…that…people will naturally act like animals.”
You got your wish. On this thread Ahlquist has been called a skank (she is a 16-yo girl, maybe the age of your daughter/granddaughter) and threatened with eternal hellfire. I guess you’re right – no one hate like a christian!
Report Post »Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:48pmAndiAndiAndi You said “How about a copy of the 1st amendment put on a banner and displayed.”
Agreed. That way it would be clear that a christian prayer can’t be stuck up on the wall in a public school that serves people of all religions and no religion.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:48pmMANCHURIAN CANDIDATE….please at least try to keep your mask on a little longer than a few minutes? Your contempt for christians is glaring you don’t need to hide behind your “for the record” lies. What you have trouble dealing with is the fact that I called your bluff. You want people to play your game. I don’t need to “compromise” for my God. I don’t need to make a deal with lefty filth like you. I seek to defeat you. Why you’ll feign asking? Because your intentions are known to me. You don’t defend the constitution at all, you abuse it with your selective application of it. By all means, lobby to remove christian holidays from federal and state calendars then I’ll believe your “passionate” defense of the constitution. I‘ve seen the left demean the constitution saying it’s antiquated and ill fitted to modern society…etc. We‘ve seen Obama bemoan it’s constraints on him. We’ve seen Obamacare demand religions go against their conscience. We know your end game. It’s to remove the constitution which is the only instrument preventing the left from lurching this country into statism. What’s this to do with religion? Religion is a platform of conscience. Eroding conscience you then erode resistance to your lefty ideals. Erode resistance, then you can begin to erode the constitution. Spares us all your pious indictments of christians. Your use of “fundie” is reminscent of the left’s use fo “zionism” to attack jews. You need better actin
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:52pmARR DEY…please provide the evidence for your assertion that an alternative was sought.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:59pmSo now her beliefs are plastered all over the wall for all to see.
Report Post »Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:08pmghostsouls You said: Churches should start buying up property right next to, across the street from, or within view of these schools. Kids can go across the street to pray before school, after school, or during lunch periods where going off campus is permitted. The football teams that want to pray before a game, can pray off school property, out of their uniforms, before going to the school and dressing out. manger scenes can be placed out front, not on school property. This clearly will separate the church from the state.”
You are correct – all of these things would be completely legal. In fact, students can have bible study clubs at school, they can pray at school, they can participate in religious observances at school or take religious holidays. All of the christian students could print the text of this banner on 8 1/2“ x 11” paper and tape it to their binders.
Provided the school does not appear to endorse this activity, it is protected by the 1st amendment.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:16pm@A-GERK-OFF,
Wow! You really are scared,… aren’t you?
Report Post »You’re like a wild animal trapped in a cage with no way out. I feel REALLY sorry for you. To be SO frightened and mistrustful of everything and everyone is a really ****** way to live. It does no good to try to engage with someone as paranoid and delusional as you appear to be. You’d be better off with a lot less of this Christian Fundie Jihad nonsense and more attention spent on making yourself well again. I suggest a trip to the nearest psych ward for a nice relaxing cocktail of Litium, Thorazine and Wellbutrin just to get things off to a good start. You’ll be ok. It just takes a little while for the drugs to take effect. Soon you‘ll be your normal self aga’,……… well,…. you’ll be A normal self again. So c’mon down off the cross, GERK, and let’s get back on the track to wellness, SHALL WE? :-D
Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:20pm@AvengerK
Cranston had the opportunity to change the wording: http://www2.turnto10.com/news/2010/jul/22/cranston-weighs-changing-words-prayer-banner-ar-160973/
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:22pmI don’t truly believe in God (I see myself as an Agnostic, not an Atheist), but that being said, a prayer on the wall does not offend me in any way. To me it’s just good values to live by.
I think these people just want to feel that they’re better than others. You must respect their beliefs, but that could give a crap about yours… After all, the belief that there is no God, is still just a belief. I see these activist Atheists as selfish and self-centred.
And, honestly, I am still trying to find a law that says having a prayer on the wall is illegal. When Thomas Jefferson wrote about the separation on church and state to the Baptists, it had no legal authority, and it was a warning of the opposite reason the quote is used today.
Liberals have a convoluted and twisted idea of history, and it makes me sick. Especially when I know they’re the ones teaching our children at school.
IT’S TIME TO FIGHT BACK! IT’S TIME AGAIN TO FIGHT FOR LIBERTY!!
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” -Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:30pmEXPATINONTARIOCANADA,
I am pissed off too!
How does it happen that a 16 year old Atheist Twit gets to brag to all of her B.F.F.’s on facebook about her victory?
SHE was offended?! What about the hundreds of students who walked by that “Prayer Banner” and were not offended?! What about their rights?!
Put your money where your mouth is BLAZERS!
Report Post »CONTACT the Cranston Rhode Island School District….(401)270-8170.
Tell them what the rest of this country thinks of their cowardice. I did. MERCI.
Lotus4115
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:32pmBeckTards look, your god is not real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg&list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A&index=19&feature=plpp_video
Report Post »Solo Inc
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:36pmI am surprised all of of you bible beaters, have the brain power to use a computer…. shouldnt you all be homesteading and getting ready for zombie jesus to come back and spare your from your pathetic lives?
Report Post »GoliathOnline
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:48pmi dont believe at all that she did this because she felt she was under attack by religion.. but for attention. well she got it.. good for her. i hope it was worth it.
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:49pmBE PREPARED. And REFUSE to help libs when they are done destroying the American way of life.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:25pmOh sure, we little created minions should ALWAYS mock the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE ….we should act in totally ungrateful ways (ungrateful for our lives, our earth, the air we breathe) …but HE (GOD) will still be there, right?
SCHOOL BOARDS should ALL fold and be gutless in front of 15 year old teenage girls . MAYBE we can close down all the Churches in the world. Yeah, that’s right…let’s close down everything that even mentions GOD…
Report Post »DapperDSM
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:36pmSpot on “Expatinontariocanada”!!! How is this NOT a violation of the 1st Amendment? It’s freedom of speech not freedom from being offended. This was truly a narcissistic campaign engaged by this teen atheist. Remove any joy, comfort or blessing that other students & faculty could have garnered from the posting of this prayer. Here the Left is forcing via the legal system for less speech and hence less liberty. The totalitarian streak in the Left is strong. When there is disagreement with someone on the Right it comes down to a difference of opinion. However, when there is a disagreement with someone on the Left it usually comes down to forcing their opinion into law.
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:42pmWell, I for one will be very happy when the United States of America becomes an Islamic state.
We will see then if atheists are sincere about their unbelief.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:02pmEstablishment of religion includes establishment of religion in general as preferable to non-religion a surely as it does the establishment of a specific religion. The existence of God is a matter of opinion that will never be proved one way or the other. Schools should not be treating opinions as facts.
Report Post »toomuchgovt
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:03pmI would have agreed with you, until you wanted “congress to make” yet another “law”. Really, how about parents raising a moral society? Are we too dumb to raise children that understand God, our Constitution and respect the country they live in? The government thinks we are too dumb to know what to even feed our kids. Watch out, next they will say, we are too dumb to dress, what time to sleep and how to house them. 1984 anyone?
Government is not the answer, Government is the problem. This goes with “passing more laws” for a Obama (lifetime) appointed Supreme Court Justice to interpret.
Report Post »filiusdracul
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:04pmHere is a printable version of the banner that everyone can hang in public view:
http://timdavismurals.com/graphic%20email%20assets%201/CHSW%20Prayer%20Mural.jpg
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:07pmCalm down, fool. Jeezus.
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:12pmI would love to see our little princess try to remove allah from the public square when America becomes an Islamic State.
She will get her head shoved-up her CULO.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:14pmYou have the protected right to free exercise of your religion. The government does not. Public property belongs to all of us, theists and atheists alike. Official recognition of any religion on public property is specifically addressed by the establishment clause of the First Amendment. One’s right to display that banner or any other religious symbolism on their own property is specifically addressed by the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. Every standing precedent in United States case law supports these two Constitutional truths. The school board learned an expensive lesson, and the young lady certainly understands the Constitutional limitatations the Bill of Rights places on all governments better than most adults. This isn’t law school stuff, it’s junior high civics. Civil rights issues can never be decided by majority or even plurality opinions, for these truths are self-evident. Good thing too, for most Americans DON’T own a firearm.
Report Post »lillycatoscar
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:38pmI suggest in order to put this ONE person in her place, just cover up the “Heavenly Father” and the “Amen” and keep the banner up. Those who have a faith will understand what is being said. I really believe, that by allowing our rights to be violated by ONE person, (the atheists seem to think that they can just continue to invade our Civil Liberties) because they have lawyers with money. I could care less that the Atheists are offended by a remark that Denzel Washington said regarding how he prepared for a role in his new movie. Denzel, commented that he read a book called “The Sociopath Next Door” in which the book stated many atheists are considered sociopaths. He never said, that atheists are sociopaths, but was stating a fact gathered from information in a book. So all of you atheists who think that Mr. Washington was saying you are sociopaths, if the heat gets to hot then get out of the kitchen. Personally, I find all of you revolting. You are not the only ones that have Constitutional rights.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:50pmLaws have a way of being avoided: Murder/Killing is a Crime… unless done by Military, Police, or other Enforcement Agency. So, what really prevents Harmful Behavior is Moral Law: look out sweety!
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:59pmThis “Little Sweet Thing” hates Jesus ???? Hates a Banner
Report Post »that has encouraging words for it’s Students, that has been
in place for decades.. Her claim to Fame, SAD !!!!!
The Third Archon
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:20pmSo what exactly are you implying? That I can hang up anything that is religiously significant to me and NO one has any right to take it down?
Report Post »Virginia
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:48pmJust for the record…that prayer is Mormon…not Christian!
Report Post »Keep us free
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:09pmExpat- I agree with you. Every school should have that prayer in the front entrance hallway, and there
Report Post »would not be as many problems in our schools. The ACLU is the biggest bunch of lawyers that could
not get jobs on their own so they want to create havoc to the rest of good law abiding citizens of
America. How can one Muslim student stop the rest of the student body from looking at the prayer?
This use to be a free country, but thanks to the Communist group ACLU we are quickly losing our
freedoms. If I was in charge of the school I would have told Jesssica to go to another school or keep
her Muslim mouth shut. This is America right now, but Obama, the ACLU, and the Dems are slowly
turning it into Cuba.
Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:53pm@encinom
Report Post »The tea-party, strong Constitutionalists that they are, should be celebrating this decision. But they have so much to hate about the plaintiff. She’s female (second-class citizen) she’s young (liberal), she’s in public school (indoctrination camp), she’s not superstitious (or as I think they call it, Christian), she has employed a lawyer (left-wing ********), she believes, as Jefferson and Madison did, that the First Amendmentand serves to protect all opinions, especially minority views (communist), she is intelligent enough to understand the Bill of Rights and the case law antecedent to it (educated elitist). You see, Mr. Encinom, when your scholars are Mr. Beck and Mr. Limbaugh instead of Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Madison, and your text is the all-time best selling work of fiction instead of the Constitution, you get an entirely different view of American Constitutional Law.
BOONDOCK SAINT
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:59pmIf I were a student at that school, I would have that prayer tattooed on my arm!!! Can’t have it removed then can you haters?
Report Post »neverfinal
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:01pmI agree, what has this EVIL WORLD COME TO? I pity that girl Jessica, she has sealed her fate in eternity.Her soul will live on and it won’t be good. They won’t know the volume of their choices against God until Judgement Day.
Report Post »Our whole culture should be blamed though, we have let so few bully the many. I for one will not be silent and will carry my faith as a badge of honor for God’s Grace and Glory. Shame on the School to make money the reason they caved. I’m sure they intended that from the beginning. So few decent Schools left. Home School to save the next generations.
Grey Eagle
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:26pmThe complaint of one is MORE important than the wants of MANY? This country is going to hell in a hand basket!
Report Post »TRUTHSENSE
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:58pmI heard Chuck Colson talk about a time that he attended a luncheon and ended up sitting beside, I think a school principle who bragged that he was responsible for getting the Ten Commandments removed from his school. As time went on, the same principle began to complain about problems in the school, including theft by students, to which Mr. Colson responded “perhaps you should put a sign up that says ‘Thou shalt not steal’”.
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:14pmYou want to get this ruling changed? Every parent and child who is offended by this ruling, pull your kids out and home school or private school. When every school district loses that many students, you’ll see this change in one heckuva hurry. As long as all anyone does is wring their hands and say its wrong, but sends their kids back to public school in the morning, this will continue happening.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 12:53amGood for her! That took balls to stand up for what she believed in. She does not deserve to be forced to read prayers at a public school. If she wanted to be subjected to that she would go to a christian private school.
Congrats!
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:13amNot only does this Godless little twit not realize the damage her ridiculous and wicked demands have caused, but that her eternal soul will have a price to pay for them. Somebody smack her stupid.
Report Post »bigbear_awake
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 10:13amShould sue school for not having a PRAYER on walls
Report Post »The American People
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:24amYeah, this is really crooked. This girl is a sample of whats wrong with this country. It can’t possibly offend you! No one is MAKING you read it. If you don‘t like it don’t be an idiot, just don’t read it. She‘s an example of the Occupy Wallstreet movement if you complain to get other people’s lives to change enough then you can get things that don’t effect you altered. She’s disgusting, I hope any self respecting guy in her school stays away from her.
Report Post »SmithandWesson
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 1:57pmI am in complete agreement with you and understand the anger, religion is taking a hit from both sides. I can only imagine the students and most of the school faculty are feeling pretty upset at this point, but instead of getting angrier, I would propose that the students do what they can to cedar a replica of this banner, smaller of course, then may e not, but create it to be sold for everyone to display it on their front lawns. They could sell these to home and business owners all over their area, and in the area of wherever this clueless atheist lives. IMO, the act of this one clueless idiot, who will
Report Post »probably never step foot inside that gym ever again, can see that her one selfish act did more good than one banner inside a gym has done to this point, and this is not to say that the banners message is not effective where it was previously, but they can thank one clueless selfish atheist for getting the message spread all over the community.
BrutalTruth
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 3:01pmWhat seems to escape you so-called anti-religion people is that atheism is itself a religion. There doesn’t exist an human without a religion. It’s your world view. Atheism is just about making yourself, or “nature” God without asking the further questions about where all this comes from. This case was about power and control. Nothing else. The twit cares nothing about anyone else, only herself.
The real sad part is that she has parents, parent, guardian (?), who is so politically blinded that they don’t understand that every decision has consequences. Without a moral authority, why should anyone care about anyone else?
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 3:21pmencinom
here is your prayer
our earthly government
entitle us each day with
the desire to be mediocre
to continue our entitlement mentality
and to do what we want
as long as it feels good
and to be physically lazy so
that our government will help us
and those that think like us.
help us to all get trophies
so that no-one will lose
or get hurt when they play sports.
just smile when the check comes.
teach us the value of big government.
help us to walk lockstep
with the decrees you hold over us.
amenorrhea!
Report Post »jonsnowthewall
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 4:41pmMan if there is something I can glean from all these comments is that Christians really aren’t very Christian.
Report Post »blamelessace5
Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:15amSee its this **** that is rotting the country out from the core. Us empowering one kid versus the kids that may believe in god …but we have to be understanding because this one kid is an atheist ????? This is why we have these self entitled OWS guys running around. this **** right here is why.
Report Post »blamelessace5
Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:27amLotus4115
I watched your video and theyres alot of discrpancies including where its mashing all relgions together claiming that bc one suppositly came before another than that makes the bible null and void …sorry to say but every religion even the native americans have a creatinism story …that has the beginning and end times….and your refrencing the torra also as evidence of no proof for the bible …which if you know anything about religion that statement contadicts itself theyre. and in the beginning the bible was looked over by the major establishments of religion at that time the religiouse sects in tripoli, vadacin city etc. it is known that all these religiouse sects came together and built the bible ….they took similatitys and ppieced it together of all the storys that derived from that time. so how does the creation o f the bible proove that god doesnt exsist ??
So my question than is where did the universe come from …and if u say “the big bang” than where did that big bang come from…….all im saying here is religion is based on faith …..science and religion compliment eachother…thus showing that god can not be 100 percent proved or dis-proved…..and many stuff thatarcheologists find today , actually aligns itself to the bible.
Report Post »RICHLINK
Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:18am“When the religion of a people is destroyed, doubt gets hold of the higher powers of the intellect and half paralyzes all the others. Such a condition cannot but enervate the soul, relax the springs of the will, and prepare a people for servitude. When there is no longer any principle of authority in religion any more than in politics, men are speedily frightened at the aspect of this unbounded independence. Despotism may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. Religion is much more necessary in democratic republics than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed?”………………….
Alexis de Tocqueville
Report Post »FrankieLuck
Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:59pmTo all the hate filled Christian extremists: We won, you lost. Get over it.
It must suck to know you guys are losing the culture war pretty badly.
Report Post »webrat55
Posted on February 20, 2012 at 3:36amfreaking scary… i have a pocket constitution…i look at it and i wanna cry scream….and a few other things i cant say.
Report Post »Godfather.1
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:10amFor all you idiots who keep saying “this is not Congress respecting an establishment of religion,” the Fourteenth Amendment applied the Bill of Rights to the states. Thus, the First Amendment applies to all state institutions.
I thought all you tea partyers and Beck fans were constitutional scholars?
Report Post »geo01
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:00am.
Report Post »Just a FURTHER EXPANSION of the conflict between Church and State issues.
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Most School administrations are MERE COWARDS as compared to what they should do.
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I am not religious, but when I was forced fed religion when I was young I learned this.
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THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH……No kidding!!!!! THEY ARE TAKING OVER.
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These people are not just meek, they are weak.
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Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:14amPlease clarify your statement. Not sure who you are referring to as weak. The School Board or the Atheists?
encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:17amGreat victory for the First Amendment.
right-wing-waco
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:26am@ENCINM
“Great victory for the First Amendment.”
I did not know there were amendments to the Communist Manifesto. What will the freedom haters do when the freedom to hate freedom is gone?
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:37pmIf this little atheist gets to Washington D.C. I hope her eyes burn from all the religious references from all the monuments. Oh well, she’ll eventually wish she had ears to hear and a heart that feels.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:38pm@Manchurian.Candidate
We are referring to YOU, the atheist. You the enemy.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:22pm@ LOOKTOWARDSTHELIGHT,
Report Post »I think you’ve been staring into the bulb long enough now. The retina of your one good eye is now permanently damaged. I guess from now on I will refer to you as FUMBLINGINTHEDARKNESS.
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:39pm@BLINDCYCLOPS,
Report Post »No surprise you use the GUN metaphor. That’s how you cowboys like to settle things. By Killin’ !
KILL’EM ALL! Let God sort’em out. Ain’t that right, CYCLOPS?
puravida56
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 12:56amlooktowardsthelight will kill for his god……..which is the problem with religion. everyone is willing to kill for their god and they all have different gods.
Report Post »dannyo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:59amsince public school’s already teach a generic cirriiculum and dumb it down to appeal to the dullest tools in the shed, why don’t they just paint the walls, busses, desks, cafeteria tables, et al, in black and white squares and let the mind numbed robots, i.e., both teachers and students, walk around like zombies all day chanting “we love obama, we love obama” who, btw, is both black and white??
Report Post »KathleenElsie
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:56amPray for this young girl. That she will see that she is a pawn of liberal society.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:11ami know its “PC” and the Christian way to pray for these People….i was baptised catholic at 6 months….was an alter boy…(no never molested)……baptised christian at 12……..organized religion sucks……that being said……I GIVE THE PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THERE RIGHT TO DO SO…….she is way to young and way to stupid in the ways of the world to start FORCING her beliefs on others……so being a NON believer…i hope she BURNS IN HELL…or the Equivalent there of….JMHO.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:21amJessica Ahlquist*******adds name to the list*******
Report Post »NO NOT a hit list…a list of people that i will NOT help when the SHTF…..you and anybody with that last name……YOU my dear have sealed your fate and the fate of your family……nobody will help you…hope you are a prepper….otherwise….your efed.
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:27amWhat she doesn‘t believe in is the forced acceptance of someone else’s beliefs in a public environment. And she’s right. If schools would start teaching students about the differences in religious cultures and beliefs and encourage tolerance through understanding , maybe there wouldn’t be such a divide and folks could relax a little bit. But the insistence of the Christian Right to accept it’s doctrine as being the only true faith is what causes these problems in the first place. Arrogance is not holy, it’s assholey.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:29am“What she doesn‘t believe in is the forced acceptance of someone else’s beliefs in a public environment”
she sure does believe in forcing HER beliefs on other people..the atheist pigs are more equal than others….
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:14amWell gosh MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE…she seems to be stone silent about being forced to take Easter and Christmas holidays off from school. I don’t see her “passionately” defending the constitution by demanding that state, federal and local agencies such as the school she attends (likely not for much longer after creating such a toxic environment for herself) remove these Christian holidays from their calendars. You seem to be just as passionate (and hypocritical), impress us all here by filing suit to remove these Christian holidays from Federal, state and local agency calendars. We won’t be holding our breath. Hypocrite.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:03pm@A-GERK,
Report Post »Glad you mentioned that. Those are next. :-)
LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:41pm@Manchurian.Candidate
You F/u/c/k/i/n/g/ tool. Who the hell was forcing her to believe in anything. Tell me, what teacher, student, janitor, aide, administrator was pointing to the banner and telling her you must believe in this banner?
That’s right, you have no answer so don’t even bother responding.
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:00pmDon’t insult my intelligence MANCHURIAN CUR…..you lefties are gutless. The left would have a PR disaster on it’s hands if it sought to remove christian holidays from state and federal calendars. This is why none of your “passionate defenders” of the constitution have done it. This why this Alquist urchin is more than happy to take those days off rather than protest how “offended” she is that he’s “forced” to take those christian days off. What you’re counting on is your war on religion and conscience getting enough of a foothold in the national psyche to replace those holidays with meaningless leftist banality like “winter solstice” and it’s ilk. so that you don’t have to remove the holidays, just replace them with empty “secular” drivel. Right now and for the foreseeable future…most people won‘t buy that delusion and it infuriates you doesn’ t it?
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:46pmHOW MANY CHRISTMAS preasants has she returned or denied…..NOT A 1 i suspect…….ef that bit*h…efen hipo…..cant wait to claim her….
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:57pmhey MAN
Report Post »what i do believe is my right to bare arms……..im waiting for your dumb azz here in Peoria AZ……come get some 40 cal desert……keep up your agenda….i can hear you now….“please god” dont take my life….lol blam blam double tap ……we will see.
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:59pm@A-GERK-OFF,
Infuriated? Hardly! I’m thoroughly amused by your rantings and hostility towards me. My crack about the holidays was simply to get a rise out of you. I guess I succeeded, huh? See,… that’s the best part of why I bother to engage with humorless whack-jobs like you. It’s sadistic of me, I know. But I just can’t resist the urge to taunt you crazy, right wing, lunatic, christian fundies. You’re just so,…. TAUNT-ABLE! :-D It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. You can’t miss! But the reactions,…..?
It’s a fight or flight response for you guys. It’s automatic. Here,… I’ll put to you another way.
See,.. for me ,.. you guys are like the FREAK SHOW at Coney Island. Or the Monkey’s at the Bronx Zoo. A cheap thrill,.. but consistently entertaining. And no matter how much of your own fecal matter you throw at me, there’s a glass partition that separates us. And I’m always in the viewing area. Watching the show. And laughing at the performers. I got my money’s worth today. I’m sated. Totally satisfied. I love a good train wreck and this republican campaign so far has been SPECTACULAR!
I’m not an Atheist. I don’t care enough to be one. I just don’t like bullies and liars. And I’ll always go out of my way to harass one. Today you just happened to cross my path. Now go wipe yourself ya little cry baby.
Report Post »Arr-dey
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:27pmAvengerK:
I believe your analysis of what would happen if atheists demanded ovservation of only secular holidays is spot-on. Just look at the comments on this thread about removing a piece of paper! Imagine what would happen if we asked for people to be at work the Friday before the Spring Equinox (aka Easter) and/or on December 25!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:43pmSamuel Adams wrote a letter on October 4, 1790 to his cousin John Adams, who was vice president of the United States: “Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity and universal philanthropy, and in subordination to these great principles, the love of their country; of instructing them in the art of self-government… in short, of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system. Knowledge apart from God and His truth is little better than complete ignorance, because the most important aspect of education is the imbuing of moral principles. All education is religious – it imparts a basic set of principles and ideals, a worldview. How the youth are educated today will determine the course a nation takes in the future.”
“Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.” – James Madison
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:07pm@looktowardsthelight
Report Post »No one is pointing, no one is forcing, but placing that prayer on public property is establishing. And in 1791 the government agreed, through the ratification of the Bill of Rights, that it would never do anything like this. It limited the governments power, and yet you want to abolish that limitation, and therefore expand government. And I thought you were a conservative. Alas, just another fundamentalist trying to hijack the Bill of Rights to serve one of your gods, much like you have already done to the Republican Party.
colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:22pm@Marine25 The prayer is not establishing any religion. No priests, deacons, services, rituals, rites, creeds, members, obligatory recitals, etc. have been mandated, instituted or organized by the State.
“The belief in a God All Powerful, wise and good, is essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man.” James Madison
“I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” Benjamin Franklin
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams
“The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.” George Washington
“When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.” James Monroe
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:24pmWashington’s 1789 Thanksgiving Day Proclamation:
WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me “to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:”
Continued…
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:24pm…Continued.
NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;– for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our sasety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;– for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;– and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions;
Continued…
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:29pm…Continued.
– to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.
(signed) G. Washington
— If that simple prayer on the wall was an sort of establishment, then our founding fathers were the biggest liars, hypocrites, corrupt politicians ever!
PRESIDENTIAL THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATIONS
http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ThanxProc.htm
Thanksgiving Proclamations by the Continental Congress
http://www.pilgrimhall.org/GivingThanks3c.htm
The father of the Constitution, James Madison, said it best, “DO NOT separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:57pm@Colt
“The prayer is not establishing any religion.” …When it is pasted on public property it is.
“No priests, deacons, services, rituals, rites, creeds, members, obligatory recitals, etc. have been mandated, instituted or organized by the State.” …but a prayer was established right up their on a wall that belongs to the public. It’s not about mandating, instituting or organizing. It’s not about priests and deacons because they are fully protected under the free exercise clause. It is simply about the government being prohibited by the people from ‘establishing’ religion. Establishing has a far broader meaning than any of the verbs you chose and and be sure Madison knew that.
Report Post »I know it drives Christians crazy, but it is the law and there is no case law to support the dissent. And I imagine if it were a prayer referencing Mohammed you’d see the establishment clause as a Constitutionalist and not a fundamentalist.
colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:29pmWhen it is pasted on public property? NO. You’re wrong.
“Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson’s example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House– a practice that continued until after the Civil War– were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared.” http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/
PRESIDENTIAL THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATIONS
http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ThanxProc.htm
Thanksgiving Proclamations by the Continental Congress
http://www.pilgrimhall.org/GivingThanks3c.htm
The father of the Constitution, James Madison, said it best, “DO NOT separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”
GOD AND AMERICA
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colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:41pm“but a prayer was established right up their on a wall that belongs to the public.”
The Washington Monument is an Obelisk, representative of the Egyptian culture and religion, and signified worshiping the Sun. The Columns which are so prominent in many Government buildings were those same ones used in Greek and Roman culture to uphold their Temples honoring their sky gods. The word Capitol has its origin in Roman religion and mythology wherein the planet Jupiter was honored and worshiped as the King of the gods, thus the main central point of a State. The District of Columbia’s streets and certain buildings are aligned with the stars in heaven to represent certain astrological signs. The statute on top of the Capitol building, and others in front of Government buildings, represent ancient deities honored by the ancient cultures. These liberals are a bunch of hypocrites and ARE OUT TO MOSTLY DESTROY CHRISTIANITY, plain and simple.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT SAYS “ESTABLISHMENT”.
ESTAB’LISHMENT, n. The act of establishing, founding, ratifying or ordaining; a constituted order or system.
Exactly what RELIGION, not faith, did the State or School ordain, institute, or organize here? There is no Cranston High School West Congregation, Denomination, appointed Priest, or Catechism anywhere.
Your interpretation is off. You have inserted meanings into these words that are ignorantly promoted by our very liberal society today.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:51amWell, the deep pocket atheists won again.
Where is KICKAGRANDMA, we need an uplifting prayer right now and I am simply not in the mood.
Report Post »mils
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:58amthe minority rules in our country
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:47pmYour mistaking not always being able to trample on the minority’s rights as them ruling our country.
Report Post »anointedpsalmist.org
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 2:37amThe Holy Spirit had me start playing these patriotic songs the week of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” event in Washington DC 8-28-2010, Which my sister and I attended along with about 750,000 of our countrymen. This “Patriot’s Prayer” is spiritual warfare for a righteous nation, a God fearing nation, the nation the Founder’s of America purposed – based on and grounded in Judeo Christian Principles. I pray we return to that America. The hour is late, but still the Lord calls us to prayer and fasting to repentance for what we have allowed this country to become. I pray this rouses and inspires you and you put on the full armor of God (Eph 6) and battle for the soul of this nation.
Report Post »Let the real church arise righteousness exalts a nation. If you agree please share the link
http://youtu.be/Akk58KSAbgg
Rick300
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:48amAmazingly sad…how would America be if the actual history of this great country was taught in our schools?
Report Post »jonsnowthewall
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 4:50pmPretty secular. If you don’t believe me, then have fun with the concept of “Under Allah” on our currency. You see, that is a possibility if religion were allowed to run rampant.
Report Post »littlefish
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:47amIts freedom OF religion . . . . .NOT freedom FROM religion . . . . .
Report Post »Won’t have to worry about this kid for long . . . .she’ll be on her fourth abortion soon . . .
and running for office where she’ll represent dead babies, hypocrites and dis-barred lawyers
TLaVerdier
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:11amSame Difference
Freedom Of Religion necessarily means Freedom From Religion
How can one be free to worship (or not) as they please if they are not free from being told how to worship? The bible has been used to back both sides of every political debate I’ve ever heard of. How would you like it if the government posted a bible passage in support of a position you oppose?
Seperation of Church and State is very necessary.
Report Post »Lonescrapper
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:14amSame difference? I suppose it depends on what the meaning of IS is.
Report Post »jonsnowthewall
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 4:53pmIt isn’t? Ok. Where‘s the ’In Allah we trust“ on our currency and in our Pledge ”Under Allah?”
Oh, you were talking about only the freedom to showcase YOUR particular flavor of deity. I see.
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:47amFurther proof we live in an INEPTOCRACY (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) :
a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
I’m not making this word or definition up. Search for it online (notice g**gle is no longer a verb in my lexicon).
Reply
Report Post »rambosharley
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:36amGood post! Sounds like America today!
Report Post »Sloanner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:46amAND. if she truely is an atheist…why does she care at all whether or not there is any kind of religious writing on the wall or hanging up?! If she does not believe in a God, then why does she care either way? God means nothing to her and her family so why does this small piece of literature that has been there for years, all the sudden matter so much that she has to go to court about it?!
Report Post »collectorbob810
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:46amits all well and good that this young lady dosen’t believe in the creater. however the country was founded on the premise of a power greater than man and goverment. this is the origins of our rights to life and liberty. without this faith in something greater then ourselves we find our rights are granted to us by men of power, and can be taken from us by said men.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:59amSimply stated: Jessica Alhquist and family need to leave America.
They are so unhappy here, they need to go where they can live THEIR dreams,
North Korea, China, Venezuela, Russia….or if those are too far, try Cuba!
Atheism is alive and well in those places,
along with Marxism and Communism….
If that’s what they want, so much they will sue…for the pleasure
of preventing others from enjoying the God-given liberties we enjoy in America….
then Jessica and her family need to leave!
Report Post »They will NEVER be happy in America until we, too, are oppressed
by Communism and Marxism
Hrothgar
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:10amThen in that case said rights can be taken away by a higher power or am I just over thinking this?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:00pm@Hrothgar
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.” Genesis 6:5-8
Of course he can.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:19pmAmeriCat
Report Post »Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:59am
Simply stated: Jessica Alhquist and family need to leave America.
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Its “Christians” like yourself that need to leave and go to Iran or some other theocracy. Clearly you are not happy living in a secular nation, where are laws are made by men and not the divine.
Sloanner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:45amWhere where her parents in all this? and what kind of parent would raise a child in THIS world, teaching them that there is no God and nothing to look forward to after death?! And why is this being allowed?!
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:44pmI agree – the parents should lose custody of the kid, since they have put thier child in harms way. Some radical religious fanatic is going to kidnap, rape or actually slit her throat. I assume the parents are rich and hired 24 hour protection since the state hasn’t stepped in and put her under state Child Welfare Services.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:37pmIf you think her parents are bad, you should see my neighbors. They teach their kids to worship invisible beings who sometimes take human form but were not concieved through intercourse. They teach their kids that this invisible being knows and sees all so they better be good, and that kids that are not good will be eternally tortured by another invisible being. But as long as they are good and eat their vegatables they will defy the laws of biology and defy human mortality. They actually believe that they will be invisible beings one day as well. They have a club of some kind and they meet once a week and sing to the flying invisibility. At first I thought they were on LSD or methamphetamines but they swear they are not. I can’t see the flying invisibility even though my neighbors swear that I can. It’s not there, and I told them so. Then they told me I should leave the country because I don’t sing to invisible man-spirits.
Report Post »I am very concerned about their sanity and their fitness as parents. How can I help those poor kids?
SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:44amAgain, which religion was the government endorsing by that mural? Please, tell me. Why don’t these cowards sue Congress for opening session with a prayer? This is why there should be no public schools. Privatize them all and put the godless, worthless, ACLU out of business. The soon to be hell dwellers can have their own athiest school.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 1:19amCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
not of A religion. OF religion.
Doesn’t matter which one. Reading the First Amendment clears that right up.
Researching the case law leaves no doubt at all.
The framers could have chosen language that simply prohibited government from choosing sides, but it’s obvious to anyone trained in logic, rhetoric or jurisprudence that the most nuetral arbiter is one who not only doesn’t have a “dog in the fight”, but who is also disconnected from the fight in every way. It’s why we have the greatest degree of religious liberty and latitutde any nation has ever enjoyed. Hanging any sort of religious symbol on public property diminishes that liberty. The American churches of the 18th century insisted this liberty be protected by eliminating government from matters of faith. The were afraid government might favor a religion other than their own. You should be afraid of that too. You are, I assume, Christian, and your worship is protected by the free exercise clause, we are, collectively, not Christian, and are restricted from making laws concerning faith by the establishment clause. The First Amendment is undoubtedly the most influential sentence ever written in the English language. It has done more for believers than every sermon stacked on end. Believers are looking the proverbial gift horse in the mouth.
By the way…you’re welcome.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:43amThis kid isb’t even old enough to know if she is an atheist. Sure, she has been taught that she is.! But she has no real experience or knowledge otherwise..
Report Post »mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:07amghandi was a nazi who supported adoph hitler and wanted the genocide of blacks~
but you are a republican they dont read history books~
ghandi was a nazi supporter ~
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:03pmCOMRACE MOLOTOV…try it English please.
Report Post »fencekicker
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:43am…and one evening, at the dusk of her life with the sounds of screams and the wails of sirens lulling her to sleep, she will muse. “I don’t remember the world being such a violent and dangerous place. When I was a kid, people used to help one another. Children were safe when they played outside. This world has sunk into a state of depravity and immorality. People are just so evil, and Godless.” Her tears will be drawn from the deep and brought to the surface by the knowledge she played a part in the unmaking of America. She will weep bitterly, tossed on a sea of regret.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:41amI wouldn’t say she actually WON anything….. I would call her a MAJOR LOSER!
Report Post »Miyegombo Bayartsogt
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:29amAs an atheist, I’m ambivalent. I want to say let the words remain, but then theists are so annoying it is nice to watch the wadding of pious panties.
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:57pmAlthough it was atheist panties what were “wadded” in the first place to the point of litigation. Nice try.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:00pmEQUALJUSTICE…I’ve seen it reported that this militant atheist has created a very toxic environmement for herself at the school, she’s won nothing but illwill towards her. Once she leaves (and she will leave), a minor adjustment to the wording of the banner by using say…“our creator” and replacing “prayer” with “Creed” and it can go straight up again.
Report Post »FrankieLuck
Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:09pmWe won. You lost. Get over it.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:40amThe public schools are a symbolic abortion of the children that made it through pregnancy alive. An abortion of the mind using the tool of deceptive language. Jimmy Carter created The Department of Education in 1979.
Jimmy Carter has wrought this upon the children of America and he is no better than the muslims that visited havoc upon the schoolchildren in Beslan.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:39amthe school committee wont try to save this mural but they would fight to save a lousey teacher or to teach young children about sex or give kids the abortion pill or allow Al Gore to tell kids they are smarter than their parents schools want to get rid of faith in our schools so that they can continue to indoctrinate your child in their atheist socialist views
Report Post »Philo Beddoe
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:43amWho has paid for the lawsuit, a high school student.
This girl is a attention starved adolescent. She will probably become a cutter.
Report Post »Sloanner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:48amthe worst part is, when she got home, her parents probably gave her a huge hug and said congratulations…..
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:05amand bring members of CAIR to speak to the young minds full of mush too….
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:37amNo worries, we are already on the slippery slope……she is such a “hero” and I am sure is already feeling the heat as to what it “means” to be an activist!! I am sure her little Emo buddies and her can wear berets and talk about the politburo and how it is taking care of the little people and how the “evil” church is bringing them down by telling them there are consequences to actions and something that is becoiming a rare thing in America….Personal Responsibilty!!!! We reap what we sow!!
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:37amIf you didn’t read the article about Denzel Washington and how he prepared for his latest movie, you might want to.
Report Post »I think Denzel is right, atheists don’t have much of a conscience. Many, who are of the “rip and shred” verbal types clearly are dangerous if not hurtful, rude people. I hope someday this girl will realize what a terrible path she’s on. After all, shortly before the terribly damaging Madeline Murry O’Hare disappeared, she converted.
Glock31
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:36amthis is a prime example of bad parenting. she is too young to know anything about anything
Report Post »9111315
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:43am. . . and in two more years, she can vote.
God help us all.
Oops. I hope that last line offends some of you.
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:09pmShe apparently knows more about the First Amendment than you and 90% of the people at the The Blaze. The judicial system, the Constitution, 200 years of case law and her local school board agree with me.
Report Post »nilo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:33amAmerica crumbles, one brick at a time. Home School your children.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:38amIf, I had the money and time……..
Report Post »stormerwasright
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:22amJust a tip…Homeschool takes about four hours a day…there are field trips and gatherings with other homeschool students in the area (proms, parties The Presidential Physical Challenge) and The first year we did it….cost $18.00 for two kids (used curriculum fairs)…after 55 years the kids have gone back to government school with A‘s and B’s
Report Post »stormerwasright
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:26amoops…that’s 5 not 55…twitchy finger
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:22amAnd cue the vile insults toward a teenage girl that always come from the commentators here when this case is revisited…
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:37amIt’s still early yet. The conservative flame throwers are busy refueling on alcohol soaked corn flakes and tobacco.
The Realist
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:39amCue the insults? If she wants to be a little atheist whore selling herself to their agenda that’s her business. She deserves any insults she gets though for the massive damage to society she so gleefully takes part in increasing. There is absolutely no reason for this little crusade of hers and she damn well knows it. I’ll definitely pray for this poor lost soul though, because unless she turns her attitude and life around-this little publicity-look-at-me stunt for 15 minutes of fame will give her an eternity of regret, and that‘s something I don’t even wish on Bin Laden. Yes, that’s right-anyone that truly understands hell, would not wish that on anyone-no matter what.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:45amWhats your reasoning, is it because she is a teenager being influenced by “others” or is it cause she is a “girl”.. Your statement has no merit. Vileness comes from Maxine Waters/Nancy Pelosi/Barbra Boxer/Diane Feinstein….mysteriously they are all from California and Women too……If a “teenager” has a rifle pointed at you and ready to shoot are you going to let them shoot you too or will you just think they are just a “teenager”?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:45amFascinating. I never knew that having a prayer mural removed from a public school was cause for eternal damnation. Must have missed that story when I was reading the Bible.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:54am“And cue the vile insults toward a teenage girl that always come from the commentators here when this case is revisited…”
and there is mr. holier-than-thou….how does it feel to be SO much better than everyone else? hmm??
I’m SO glad you get to sit in judgement of everyone else……
take the beam out of your own eye before you remove the mote from others you holier-than-thou hypocrite.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:56am“It’s still early yet. The conservative flame throwers are busy refueling on alcohol soaked corn flakes and tobacco.”
I’m surprised a welfare queen like you is out of bed this early…up early looking for your hit of crack?
loser.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:02am@locked aka encinom.
Report Post »Vile insults? You kid, are a vile insult,and what you constantly post on here,my guess if you ever get out of your moms basement, you wont be “vile”, or posting for huffpo for long……….
Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:03am@Ceremius
“Whats your reasoning, is it because she is a teenager being influenced by “others” or is it cause she is a “girl”.. Your statement has no merit.”
Let’s see some of the insults already lobbed, and you tell me your take:
“Whore”: Used twice. Definition is that she sells her body for sex.
A comment that was deleted called her a “snatch” and said “may she die and rot in hell.”
My personal feeling? The banner harmed no one. Yes, it was an obvious endorsement of religion (it’s the school prayer; there’s no doubt the school endorsed it. They took it to court to fight its removal). The courts ruled that it breached the establishment clause; the girl was right. And since then, she has received death threats and insults from hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Heck, the article’s been up for, what, half an hour? And already someone here has called for her to die. Others have said she’ll go to hell for her actions. Before the day is out, do you think we’ll see more?
The reaction was extreme for such an act. Do I think she’s a busybody? Sure. It was a banner; many people will say “it hurt no one.” But if it was so unimportant, why are we seeing calls for her to die? Why are people calling her a “whore” or a “snatch”?
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:11amWow, you guys are up early.
Y’know I love it when a kid recognizes a blatant violation of “separation” and takes it upon herself to correct that violation. She was successful because she was RIGHT. The fact the Cranston School Committee decided not to pursue the case because of financial reasons is a clear indication that they put money before faith. “In God we Trust”, (all others pay cash).
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:18am“Y’know I love it when a kid recognizes a blatant violation of “separation” and takes it upon herself to correct that violation. She was successful because she was RIGHT”
hey gomer, where is that SEPARATION in the constitution…perhaps you can point it out to us…
she’s only right under the liberal fascist interpretation of the constitution…
but don’t let facts get in the way of your hellish ideology, you brain-dead demoKKKrats never do…
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:19am“.” But if it was so unimportant, why are we seeing calls for her to die?”
and where ARE those?? oh yeah you’ll give us some atheist wackos website like you did last time…and you had the nerve to defend that laughable BS…
you’re a buffoon.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:28am@Rush
Ohhhhh, that’s right! It was you who insisted that every time someone threatened her with death, damnation or a reference to Christianity, they were actually covert liberals trying to make Christians look bad.
As you said to someone else already in this article: “take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds….”
The Jewish Avenger
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:29am@Locked
Come on a little credit please.
Whore was used but as
ATTENTON WHORE
Noun
attention whore (plural attention whores)
(Internet slang, derogatory) Someone who craves attention and is not above soliciting it via deliberately meaningless or provocative tactics.
Synonyms
Report Post »drama queen
Translations
someone craving attention
Dutch: aandachtshoer (nl) m and f
Finnish: huomionkipeä (fi)
See also
troll
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:32am“Ohhhhh, that’s right! It was you who insisted that every time someone threatened her with death, damnation or a reference to Christianity, they were actually covert liberals trying to make Christians look bad”
I didn’t see anyone threatening her with death…all I saw was some wackos on an atheist web site saying that….and no I don’t believe atheists…they’re liars…like you.
why don’t you post those site again? even the names of them were a joke…just like everything else you post you pompous arrogant twit…
post your proof or apologize…put up or shut up…but you don’t have the integrity to..and you call yourself a ‘christian’ what a joke….you’re an embarrassment to the Name.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:49amwhere’d ya go lock? no proof huh?
oh and you accused CHRISTIANS of making death threats…and I was wondering how you knew the people who SUPPOSEDLY made those threats were christian?
I’ll get the popcorn, this should be good…..
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:51am@Rush
Wait… so now you’re admitting that people were, in fact, threatening death and injury to her, but are dismissing them as “whackos”? As if that somehow changes the matter that you’re fine with a 16 year old girl getting death threats?
Rush, you’re too much! I don’t expect anything else from you; recalling the last article (which is linked in this one; the sources, and quotes, that you’re requesting are all in there), you kept refusing to condemn them. Actually, to even acknowledge them. I don’t expect you to do anything else this time.
As a Christian, I feel obligated to point out when others are misusing the name of Christ. When people call for her to be drowned in holy water or they should plant a tree on her grave, cut it down, and print bibles out of it, I find that horribly offensive and an insult to all that Christ stood for. And when people like you condone it, I intend to call you out on it and ask “How can a Christian support these kinds of comments?”
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:02am@Rush
Ah, I even found a bunch of other ones. As before, the site seems to be an atheist site; but it has pictures of all the facebook and twitter conversations. And you’ll love this: like you, these people claim to be Christian in one breath, while calling for her injury and death in another. Some of your friends, perhaps?
http://practicaldoubt.com/2012/01/14/no-true-christian-ahlquists-harassers-just-werent-or-were-they-screenshots/
Now, I don‘t agree with the site’s views, but I do use it as an example that your claims that these threats aren‘t happening and they’re not by purported Christians are both false.
In other news, you’ll be dismayed to know that the police have been investigating these threats and the school has disciplined at least one of the teens from her school who were making them:
Report Post »http://www2.turnto10.com/news/2012/jan/13/14/teen-under-fire-school-prayer-banner-ar-894870/
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:03am“Wait… so now you’re admitting that people were, in fact, threatening death and injury to her, but are dismissing them as “whackos”? As if that somehow changes the matter that you’re fine with a 16 year old girl getting death threats?”
uh gomer, you posted things from several wacko atheist web sites…I don’t believe those were real…how hard is this???
and why didn’t you repost those sites hmmm???? we both know why…those ‘threats’ were bogus……lies written by atheist wackos….and you furthered their lies…
and you said those who posted them were christian…how did you know that….oh yeah the ATHIESTS said so…uh huh….
“you kept refusing to condemn them. Actually, to even acknowledge them. I don’t expect you to do anything else this time.”
you’re a liar….I did acknowledge them and called them atheist lies….and called you a liar…post those site again…..you’re ashamed to…I don’t blame you…so are you a willing dupe, or a deceiver?
“As a Christian, I feel obligated to point out when others are misusing the name of Christ’
yes you are….claiming those atheist lies were from christians…you should be ashamed of yourself…your lies are despicable.
now post those sites….but you won’t…because you’re craven and gutless.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:08am@Locked,
Report Post »How can they support comments like this?
Easy, first, these aren’t Christians. These are Neo Nazi Imperialists hiding behind Christianity just like Jihadists hiding behind Islam. It’s a perversion of the faith they claim to believe in. Gutless, cowardly, malignant, hate-mongering hypocrites. That‘s today’s Conservative Christian.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:09am“And you’ll love this: like you, these people claim to be Christian in one breath, while calling for her injury and death in another. Some of your friends, perhaps?
http://practicaldoubt.com/2012/01/14/no-true-christian-ahlquists-harassers-just-werent-or-were-they-screenshots/
”
oh yeah they reference this site…
http://jesusfetusfajitafishsticks.blogspot.com/2012/01/ahlquist-screenshots-if-by-christian.html
uh huh….the ATHEISTS say christians threatened her….what laughable BS…I can’t beleive anyone with a shred of integrity and common sense would repost those atheist lies….
you should be ashamed of yourself…
lenin called people like you useful idiots.
Report Post »LibsFIB
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:10amMAN CAN. Is that username in respect for your P.O.S. P.O.T.U.S?
Report Post »RON PAUL 2012!!!!
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:13amoh and from your site…
“starting with TayCrocks (whose tweets were particularly vile). She claims to be going to Heaven and knows that she is due to a “near death experience”–not untypical of Christian arguments for faith.”
she never claimed to be a christian…..but of course don’t let that stop your lies locked…
none of those people claims to be christian…one claims to be catholic…but then we all know atheists are liars…..
again you have shown yourself to be a dupe of the atheists…spreading lies…you should be ashamed of yourself….
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:14am“How can they support comments like this?
Easy, first, these aren’t Christians. ”
right, they’re fascist atheist trash like you.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:16am@Rush
… are you purposely ignoring the fact that I said “I don‘t agree with the site’s views” or just trying to look really foolish on purpose?
Come now. Comment on the facebook posts. Do you think “Team Jesus” would want this girl to be killed?
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:16amLIBSFIB,
Report Post »No,… it’s in response to the GOP race for the nomination. What the reps need is a good candidate. A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE would be a marked improvement.
Bite me. :-D
Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:19am@Rush
“none of those people claims to be christian…one claims to be catholic…but then we all know atheists are liars…..
again you have shown yourself to be a dupe of the atheists…spreading lies…you should be ashamed of yourself….”
Ah. Again, you say that the only people attacking this girl are atheists pretending to be Christians to make Christians look bad. In psychology, your condition is called “cognitive dissonance,” where you can’t reconcile your thoughts on something to reality, and thus get really uncomfortable until you are forced to make up absurd scenarios to justify it.
Come on, just say it. You approve of people sending death threats to a teenage girl whose crime was pointing out that her school endorsed a school prayer.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:21am“are you purposely ignoring the fact that I said “I don‘t agree with the site’s views” or just trying to look really foolish on purpose?
”
OBVIOUSLY you do…or you wouldn’t post them as a reputable source…I mean seriously do you even read the idiotic drivel you post?
jesus fajita fish stick????? really????? LOL
“Come now. Comment on the facebook posts. Do you think “Team Jesus” would want this girl to be killed?
”
as I said I don’t believe anything the atheists say….and again how do you know those people are christian? I didn’t see any of them claim to be christian…one claimed to be catholic…but then atheists would say just about anything wouldn’t they now?
you call yourself a christian? puhleaze.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:24am@Manchurian
I believe the correct term is fundamentalist. I have no problem with Conservative Christians, nor Christianity in general (as I’m a Christian myself); having a deep faith can truly make a good impact on your life. But when that faith makes you strike out at others with different ideas, you’ve become a fundamentalist. It’s the Christian who bombs abortion clinics or sends death threats to teenage atheists. It’s the Muslim who kills his family members for honor or justifies thinking of women as property. It’s the Jew who spits on “immodestly dressed” little girls or demands death to all the Arabs in Israeli lands.
Religion can be a wonderful force, but it can also be used to back up vile behavior. I know Christ wouldn’t condone or encourage these kinds of threats; so why do some Christians feel it’s “right” to make them? I honestly don’t understand how the minds of people like Rush work… how can you support people who threaten teenage girls with death and injury? How could ever think Christ would be ok with that?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:26am“Ah. Again, you say that the only people attacking this girl are atheists pretending to be Christians to make Christians look bad. In psychology, your condition is called “cognitive dissonance,” where you can’t reconcile your thoughts on something to reality, and thus get really uncomfortable until you are forced to make up absurd scenarios to justify it.”
again why would anyone believe a web site called jesus fajita fish sticks???
I mean seriously….you’re making a fool out of yourself…an even bigger fool than you usually make out of yourself….
“Come on, just say it. You approve of people sending death threats to a teenage girl whose crime was pointing out that her school endorsed a school prayer.”
come on just say it, you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian. its painfully obvious.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:29am“But when that faith makes you strike out at others with different ideas, you’ve become a fundamentalist. It’s the Christian who bombs abortion clinics or sends death threats to teenage atheists. ”
reall what christian has bombed abortion clinics? and what christian has sent death threats??
and you know they’re christian because the ATHEISTS tell you so….I have a bridge to sell ya…
locked…I am calling you a liar. and so far all you have done is confirm it.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:36am“Rush work… how can you support people who threaten teenage girls with death and injury? How could ever think Christ would be ok with that?”
nice lie…where did I say that? oh yeah I didn’t…no surprise you have to lie about what I said….how ‘christian’ of you.
let me repeat…I said I don’t believe anything those atheist web sites have posted…and if people have threatened her they should be prosecuted….and I sure don’t believe they are christian…no matter what the good atheists tell me…
now why don’t you apologize for lying about me? but again that would take integrity…and its clear you have none.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:45am@Rush
“come on just say it, you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian. its painfully obvious.”
Rush, I call you a liar. Maybe a better name would be Rush is wrong? Feel free to apologize!
Sorry if I mistook your repeated defense of these threats (denying they’re real, denying the people who said them are real, denying they’re Christians even though they say they are, denying that they’re serious, denying that they’re bullying…) as your support. It was a completely unfair assumption to think that just because you defended them all this time that you agree with them.
Peace?
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:49am“Rush, I call you a liar. Maybe a better name would be Rush is wrong? Feel free to apologize!’
uh where did I lie?
you really are desperate aren’t you now?
“Sorry if I mistook your repeated defense of these threats (denying they’re real, denying the people who said them are real, denying they’re Christians even though they say they are”
yes I do deny they’re real…I don’t believe anything the atheists say…and I don’t see any of them calling themselves christian…its an ASSumption you and the atheists have made….more of an accusation….
“Peace?”
as soon as you admit you’re not really a christian…and you lied about me….and you admit those web sites aren’t credible…
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:00am“as soon as you admit you’re not really a christian”
I can’t lie, sorry little buddy. Are you going to apologize for lying and saying I’m an atheist?
…and you lied about me…”
About you supporting death threats to teenagers? Learn to read, please.
“and you admit those web sites aren’t credible…”
You say they‘re not because they’re atheist websites. I say they’re likely biased, but it‘s your assumption they’re not credible. I believe that the threats are true, and the police are sure enough that they’ve been investigating them.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:10amLOL…Really MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE? “Gutless, malignant, hate-mongering, hypocrites”? So a benign prayer that plead for achievment and school spirit was malignant, gutless and hate-mongering to you? Only to a liberal is that so. Certainly it’s not as benign, peace-loving and brave as the left’s beloved OWS with their public defecation, destruction of private and public property, putting their own children on railway lines to stop trains…ad nauseum. You piece of leftist filth you fool no one.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:13am“I can’t lie, sorry little buddy. Are you going to apologize for lying and saying I’m an atheist?”
if the jack-boots fit…
“You say they‘re not because they’re atheist websites. I say they’re likely biased, but it‘s your assumption they’re not credible. I believe that the threats are true, and the police are sure enough that they’ve been investigating them.”
likely biased??? oh puleaze….what a buffoon….of course you believe they’re true…just like you believe christians made the threats…but you don’t know….all you can do is parrot atheist lies..
and if no one is charged…and the police investigation produces nothing…then I‘m sure you’ll apologize, right? no you won’t say boo.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:24am@Avengerk
““Gutless, malignant, hate-mongering, hypocrites”? So a benign prayer that plead for achievment and school spirit was malignant, gutless and hate-mongering to you?”
From Manchurian.Candidate’s comments, I believe he/she was referring to the fundamentalists who hide behind their religion and attack others.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:42am“rom Manchurian.Candidate’s comments, I believe he/she was referring to the fundamentalists who hide behind their religion and attack others.”
oh and your attempt to equivocate fundamentalist christians with fundamentalist muslims is despicable in the extreme, and just shows what kind of ‘christian’ and man you really are.
the fundamentalist muslims are following their scripture, which clearly shows jihad…where a fundamentalist christian would be more christ-like….
but continue on your ‘moral equivalence’….lying is in your nature….your ‘father’ would be so proud….
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:01pmLOCKED…you mealy mouthed, word parsing, impotent idiot. Don’t presume to play your little “likely meant” games with me sport. I took you to school on this only a few days ago where your compulsions got the better of you. MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE painted ALL things Christian with his brush when he made that comment. The CHRISTIAN prayer pleads for excellence and achievement and school spirit invoking our Heavenly Father to bring us to those noble goals. There’s nothing “gutless, malignant or hate-mongering in the prayer for MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE to spit his anti-christian bile at. Furthermore MANCHURIAN CANDIATE’S hysterical and hate-filled determinations of christians only warrant “clarification” by mealy mouthed, lick spittles like you LOCKED. Get better material champ, you’re becoming a crushing bore.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:09pm@Avengerk
“Don’t presume to play your little “likely meant” games with me sport.”
… unlike how you went on a rant by assuming he/she meant all Christians when he/she was just before talking about fringe extremists?
“I took you to school on this only a few days ago where your compulsions got the better of you.”
You mean where the conversation ended by me saying “You refuse to answer any questions, but I’m used to it” and I called you a good sort, if a little prone to paranoia and foaming at the mouth?
Yeah, I do recall that! You might find me a crushing bore, but I find your ranting and raving endlessly amusing. I do hold out the hope that some day you’ll stop dancing and insulting and we can talk like decent people!
@Rush
… nah, it’s probably not worth it. A person could shoot dozens of children in the name of taking back Christendom from Islamists, and you‘d probably convince yourself he’s actually not a Christian.
Huh. Somehow I feel like that happened.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:11pm“and the police investigation produces nothing…then I‘m sure you’ll apologize, right?”
wouldn’t even answer that question…no surprise….
have you no shame?
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:35pm@LOCKED,
I stand corrected. The correct term is indeed “Fundamentalist”. Thank you for that correction.
And for the record, I have nothing against Christianity in it’s purest form. I have nothing against ANY FAITH that preaches love and tolerance and brotherhood. But I have a very big problem with any group that stands behind an ideology and uses it as a shield to disguise their perverted, malignant and destructive ideas and tries to force those beliefs on everyone else. There’s a big difference between FAITH and RELIGION. Faith heals. Religion is a malady.
There’s also a big difference between kneeling down,…. and bending over!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:44pmYou really can’t help yourself can you LOCKED? You have this weird compulsion to just “lock” into one set of words by any given individual and refuse to examine the broader context even when the evidence is irrefutable. I‘ve seen enough of MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE’S arseh@lery on these boards towards Christians to know that in no uncertain terms, the piece of leftist filth hates ALL things Christian. The more christian, the bigger the leftist’s contempt towards them. Prayers, nun’s habits, cassocks, stained glass windows, crosses, sunday schools, bibles, baptisms, charities, hospitals….etc..etc..it doesnt’ matter…if they’re Christian, MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE views them reflexively and like a good conditioned leftist…with contempt first. Stop insulting my intelligence by presuming to impose the idea that MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE is only specifically spitting his leftist bile at those here he believes to be “less than Christian”….idiot. You beg for intelligent exchange while you continue to offer your myopic, word parsing idiocy. Please..go back to pulling apart and postulating (does the word pontif offend MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE also?) on “what the definition if ”is“ is”. That’s about where any “intelligent exchange” begins and ends with a mealy mouth buffoon like you LOCKED.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:50pmMANCHURIAN CANDIDATE…spare us your twisted hermeneutics and the postulations of an atheist , leftist dolt like you. Your mask has slipped too many times on these boards for your “for the record” act to be convincing.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:03pmLocked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:45am
“Fascinating. I never knew that having a prayer mural removed from a public school was cause for eternal damnation. Must have missed that story when I was reading the Bible.”
-You libs/trolls really are clueless aren’t you? You don’t even try! Let me help you, if you’re willing to put down the bong long enough to listen: DISBELIEF IN GOD is what will cause eternal damnation, as will trying to SPREAD YOUR DISBELIEF as this poor misguided girl is doing. Thanks for playing.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:08pm@Avengerk
“You have this weird compulsion to just “lock” into one set of words by any given individual”
Oh, and so do you! You’ve called me “mealy-mouthed” three times so far in this thread. Your obsession with my mouth (which, I regret to inform you, is free of all mealy-ness) is flattering, but a little disconcerting. I do find your style humorous though!
Avenger: So-and-so said this (followed with insults).
Me: Probably said this.
Avenger: NO WAY, you’re just assuming! (followed with insults)
So-and-so: Actually, yeah, said what LOCKED said.
Avenger: You‘re a liar and can’t be trusted! (followed with insults)
It’s a dance you dance well!
“You beg for intelligent exchange while you continue to offer your myopic, word parsing idiocy.”
I beg for intelligent exchange, because I hold out hope that one day you’ll reciprocate instead of ranting and insulting. Hasn’t happened yet, but I’m an optimist! Let’s try again, shall we?
“The CHRISTIAN prayer pleads for excellence and achievement and school spirit invoking our Heavenly Father to bring us to those noble goals.”
Your insults to Manchurian and you being wrong on who he/she was referring to aside, you openly admit this prayer was Christian. The Supreme Court has ruled one religious faith cannot be endorsed over others in schools. As it’s a Christian prayer, and there’s precedent, how do you find the court’s ruling wrong?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:22pm@The Realist
“DISBELIEF IN GOD is what will cause eternal damnation, as will trying to SPREAD YOUR DISBELIEF as this poor misguided girl is doing. ”
Her eternal soul is her own matter, and I’ll also pray she finds faith in Christ during her life. I disagree with her atheism, but I would never call her a whore and then say she deserves the abuse she’s getting (threats, mockery, hatred online and in town from complete strangers). She was correct in saying there was a violation of the establishment clause, and the courts agreed. Public schools should not endorse ANY religion, which is what happened here.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:31pm@A-GERK,
Report Post »“(does the word pontif offend MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE also?)”
Nope. But “PONTIFICATION” has a pretty foul aroma to it. That’s all we get from you, pal. Lots and lots of PONTIFICATION. Like so much raw sewage.
I must say, you are just about the most angry, out of control, emotionally unstable character on this web site. I think you’re really frightened by the fact that your ideas and beliefs are rapidly being exposed for what they really are. LIES. You’ve invested heavily in what amounts to a PONZI SCHEME for Christian Conservatives and the bottom is about to drop out. It must be terrifying for you to discover that you’ve been had and that all you believed in was an illusion. I’d be pretty angry too, I would imagine. I guess I was lucky. I never fell for that crap. But you’re in it up to your eyeballs. Tough break for you,… chump.
Oh well,… Enjoy the long weekend! :-D
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:37pmDo you understand the term “mealy mouthed” LOCKED?
Report Post »“avoiding the use of direct and plain language, as from timidity, excessive delicacy, or hypocrisy; inclined to mince words; insincere, devious, or compromising. ” You avoid the real issue LOCKED..what you do is pick out a phrase- or as you hysterically tried on another board “likely meant”- and you waffle, and drone, and dissect and blather while ignoring what’s really going on. In this case what’s really going on is the left is seeking to erase religion from the public psche. Idiots like you are helping the left whether consciously or not. They seek to erase religion because it’s a platform of conscience. By eroding conscience, they can then begin to erode resistance to their pet causes and the removal of the constitution from it’s seat as the foundation of law in this country. Even Obama has bemoand the constraints the constitution places on him. Obamacare’s assault on the church is another example. I just have no inclination to mince words and play “he said, she said” with idiots like you LOCKED. You’re a crushing bore.
Mealy mouthed an appropriate term to describe your endless droning in dissecting words, syllables, phrases, sentences letters, punctuation….ad nauseum while you completely ignore the broader context. No one‘s buying MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE’S “for the record” act except a self-approving, word mincing, “likely meant” git like you.
LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:44pm@Manchurian.Candidate
Hey moron. If it was such a violation then why was the banner still hanging after many, many, many, many years?
You make me puke.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:47pm@Avengerk
“I just have no inclination to mince words and play “he said, she said” with idiots like you LOCKED. You’re a crushing bore.”
And you’re an endless amusement! Here’s the funny thing. This girl was offended by the banner and wanted it taken down. Being offended is not grounds to go to court… but breaking an amendment of the Constitution is. So when you say things like “they want to take down the Constitution,” I have to shake my head at you, because the Constitution was being breached before.
Did the banner hurt anyone? No. Was it still unconstitutional? According to the courts upon which our laws are judged, yes.
As for me doing, as you said: “what you do is pick out a phrase- or as you hysterically tried on another board “likely meant””… isn’t it hilarious that I was right, and instead of admitting you jumped off the deep end, you screamed at Manchurian that he/she was a liar? If I assume too much, then my apologies… but you were dead wrong that time :-)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:54pm@Look
“Hey moron. If it was such a violation then why was the banner still hanging after many, many, many, many years?”
I’m not manchurian.candidate, but I’d like to point out this flaw in thinking. You are arguing that laws are “more valid” after time has gone by. That’s a pretty flimsy position to take. Some states still have adultery laws on the books… but when was the last time someone was charged? (Actually, I seem to recall there was an issue about this with the show “Sister Wives,” so maybe that’s a bad example).
A law, ordinance, or public display can stand for decades without complaint; but if someone does take it to court, the courts decide if they are violating the Constitution. If something’s lasted for years, it doesn’t mean it IS Constitutional; it just means no one’s cared enough to complain yet. You can steal cable for years; doesn‘t mean it’s not a crime when you’re finally caught.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:56pm@Locked
You praying is the biggest joke on this board next to MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:56pm@A-GERK-OFF,
“No one‘s buying MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE’S “for the record” act”.
Report Post »I’m not the one trying to sell anything. You on the other hand, appear as if you are DESPERATELY trying to sell as many subscriptions to “The Fundamentalists Guide to the Universe” as you can before the expiration date. Sorry GERK-OFF,…. your too late.
My Karma just ran over your Dogma. :-D
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:15pmMANCHURIAN CUR….your armchair psychologist act is about as convincing as your “for the record” performance. Succinctly…you’re too easy to read. I’ve seen enough of your excrement on these boards to know you have a deep seated hatred for religion and christians in particular. You hysterically launch into mindless tirades about “hate-mongering, gutless…ad nauseum” christians at the slightest provocation. You’re quite unhinged. What you resent particularly is that people like myself won’t play your game and will call your bluff. It‘s quite simple of you werent’ such a feeble minded cretin….you would know that your act is quite transparent. You’re little “smileys” at the end of your posts and peurile quips only add to the perception that you’re a feeble minded, cretinous lefty with a particuarly huge chip on his shoulder about christians. Come back when you have better material.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:27pmand again LOCKED….mince words, play semantics as you are compelled to do. Ignore the left’s selective application of the constitution and isolate this case without acknowledging the broader picture. I‘ve repeated to you often enough but you’re unteachable. Ginsberg, a Judge on the Surpreme court, a liberal and someone who’s meant to uphold the word of the constitution suggests we look to other constitutions citing the lefty canard…”it’s antiquated and ill-fitted to modern society”. Obama bemoans the constition for the constraints it places on him. Lefty commentators in media…demeaning the constitution. But you in your self-approving, mealy mouthed fashion want to continue playing semantics, word games, “likely meant” ad nauseum. She was offended but…(add LOCKED’s “sage” observation here). As I said LOCKED…you have no place in an intelligent exchange, you’re far too mired in your word games, but he/she/it says and “likely meants”. Go play with MANCHURIAN CUR and participate in his “not all christians just some” performances. You seemto be the only dullard who bought his act.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:36pmI’m finding it particlarly amusing MANCHURIAN CUR…that you’re now running with “fundamentalist” after LOCKED played his word games with you. You even thank him for correcting you. Do you roll over too? Heel? Sit? Good dog.
Report Post »Still want to sell the notion that you’re not an unhinged lefty tool with a particularly bitter hatred of Chrstians? With hardly the slightest provocation you’ve called them Nazi imperialists, hate-mongers, jihadists…you’re a veritable thesaurus of Media Matters issued talking points. You really can be trained well can’t you champ? No wonder statism appeals to you so much…you love being told what to do and think by others.
Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:46pm@Avengerk
” But you in your self-approving, mealy mouthed fashion want to continue playing semantics, word games, “likely meant” ad nauseum. She was offended but…(add LOCKED’s “sage” observation here).”
So… if you’re saying I miss the forest for the trees, then your glaring fault would be ignoring the trees for the forest? You’re convinced the Constitution is being torn down, so your answer is to… ignore the courts? Persecute a teenage girl? Insist YOU know exactly what other people like Manchurian.Candidate are saying; and when they say you’re wrong, accuse them of being liars?
This is why I say you dance. You say “This is about the Constitution being destroyed!“ I say ”This is about a teenage girl getting threatened and harassed.” It seems we both have points, but you can’t see the trees of the forest, and I find the trees a more pressing matter than the forest as a whole.
Especially with so many lumberjacks here willing to cut this girl down!
So, as said, let’s try being civil. Would you at least agree that this girl should not be threatened or insulted for her actions?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:00pm“Especially with so many lumberjacks here willing to cut this girl down!”
you don’t give a damned about this girl, you’re just using her to score points against christians….
you’re sick, twisted and evil…..and I’m not the only one who thinks so obviously.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:06pm@Rush
“you don’t give a damned about this girl, you’re just using her to score points against christians….”
As I am a Christian, you’d be wrong. Oh! Would you like to lie again and tell me I’m an atheist? I’d be happy to call you a liar again.
“you’re sick, twisted and evil…..and I’m not the only one who thinks so obviously.”
Now, scoring points against fundamentalists who use religion as an excuse to threaten teenage girls? Yep, I’m against that. I find it odd that you’d call that twisted and evil, but hey, we‘ve already established that you’re blinded by your dissonance. Here Rush, I’ll ask you the same question:
“Would you at least agree that this girl should not be threatened or insulted for her actions?”
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:07pm“A law, ordinance, or public display can stand for decades without complaint; but if someone does take it to court, the courts decide if they are violating the Constitution. If something’s lasted for years, it doesn’t mean it IS Constitutional; ”
this is SUCH a BS argument….take prayer in schools….constitutional for almost 200 years….including when the PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION were alive….
and now thanks to ‘enlightened’ judges, its not….the constitution hasn’t changed…the interpretation has…thanks to fascist judges…..you know that you LOVE so….like the ones who gave us DRED SCOTT…that you agree with!!
funny how you like slavery isn’t it locked? especially when you couldn’t tell me where in the constitution slavery is authorized…do you want to try again, or do you want to slink away again? hmmm?? ?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:14pm“As I am a Christian, you’d be wrong. Oh! Would you like to lie again and tell me I’m an atheist? I’d be happy to call you a liar again.”
oh yeah a liar calls me a liar…thats rich!!!! oh and I didn‘t tell you you’re an atheist….another lie…my what a surprise…do you EVER tell the truth?
I said this: “and no I don’t believe atheists…they’re liars…like you.”
but I didn’t call you an atheist…a dupe of the atheists…oh yeah…..but then you have to lie to make points since your argument is SO weak.
“Now, scoring points against fundamentalists who use religion as an excuse to threaten teenage girls? Yep, I’m against that. ”
lets see how do you know they’re fundamentalist? oh yeah the same way you know they’re christians ….the ATHEISTS told you….uh huh….funny how a good christian like you is SO eager to smear christianity…..
“threaten teenage girls? Yep, I’m against that. I find it odd that you’d call that twisted and evil, but hey”
again you have to lie about what I said….I called your smearing of christians sick twisted and evil….again do you EVER tell the truth you lying piece of trash?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:30pm@Rush
“this is SUCH a BS argument….take prayer in schools….constitutional for almost 200 years….including when the PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION were alive….
and now thanks to ‘enlightened’ judges, its not…”
Pssst: Prayer in school isn’t unconstitutional. Prayer led by school officials or endorsed by the school, is. Just thought you might want to know!
“oh yeah a liar calls me a liar…thats rich!!!! oh and I didn‘t tell you you’re an atheist….another lie…my what a surprise…do you EVER tell the truth?”
“RUSH_IS_RIGHT
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:26am
come on just say it, you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian.”
Cough cough…
“especially when you couldn’t tell me where in the constitution slavery is authorized”
Report Post »That‘s because it wasn’t an actual question based in reality. I never said it was authorized in the Constitution: I said it wasn’t banned until the 13th amendment. Until then, States could do whatever they wanted (as per the 10th amendment). Let me know if you need help remembering the amendments and Constitution. I can even cite cases for you!
Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:31pm@A-GERK-OFF,
True, I owe LOCKED for correcting me on the term that applies to you more fittingly. Again, Thanks, Locked. But I think “Imperialist” would also apply considering the history of Christianity and it’s brutal treatment of indigenous peoples around the world. GEN-O-CIDE. Sound familiar? Anyway, I’m not here to quibble,.. heres a post from a different thread. It applies here too.
I’m thoroughly amused by your rantings and hostility towards me. My crack about the holidays was simply to get a rise out of you. I guess I succeeded, huh? See,… that’s the best part of why I bother to engage with humorless whack-jobs like you. It’s sadistic of me, I know. But I just can’t resist the urge to taunt you crazy, right wing, lunatic, christian fundies. You’re just so,…. TAUNT-ABLE! :-D It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. You can’t miss! But the reactions,…..? It’s a fight or flight response for you guys. It’s automatic. Here,… I’ll put to you another way. See,.. for me ,.. you guys are like the FREAK SHOW at Coney Island. Or the Monkey’s at the Bronx Zoo. A cheap thrill,.. but consistently entertaining. And no matter how much of your own fecal matter you throw at me, there’s a glass partition that separates us. And I’m always in the viewing area. Watching the show. And laughing at the performers. I got my money’s worth today. I’m sated. Totally satisfied. I love a good train wreck and this republican ca
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:32pm@Azjeff
“hey locked…..as you have already read im NOT PC….b l o w m e !!!!!”
Not into guys, sorry. Interesting to know you are, though!
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:38pm“Pssst: Prayer in school isn’t unconstitutional. Prayer led by school officials or endorsed by the school, is. Just thought you might want to know!”
psssst….so why wasn’t it until 1962??? hmmmm??? duhhhhhhhhhhhh
“Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:26am
come on just say it, you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian.”
Cough cough…
”
in response to … “Come on, just say it. You approve of people sending death threats to a teenage ”
I didn’t accuse you, I was just asking you to come clean…just like you were doing to me….
“That‘s because it wasn’t an actual question based in reality. I never said it was authorized in the Constitution: I said it wasn’t banned until the 13th amendment. Until then, States could do whatever they wanted (as per the 10th amendment). Let me know if you need help remembering the amendments and Constitution. I can even cite cases for you!”
you said the courts approved it, so it was constitutional…you seem to forget that…..no surprise…
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:46pmGERKOFF,
Like I was sayin’,….
I love a good train wreck and this republican campaign so far has been SPECTACULAR!
Report Post »I’m not an Atheist. I don’t care enough to be one. I just don’t like bullies and liars. And I’ll always go out of my way to harass one. Today you just happened to cross my path. Now go wipe yourself ya little cry baby.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:50pm“I love a good train wreck and this republican campaign so far has been SPECTACULAR!
I’m not an Atheist. I don’t care enough to be one. I just don’t like bullies and liars. And I’ll always go out of my way to harass one.”
oh I‘m sure you’ll be confronting Islam any day now…..
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:52pm@Rush
“psssst….so why wasn’t it until 1962??? hmmmm??? duhhhhhhhhhhhh”
Because the courts didn’t rule it as such? My point stands: just because something hasn’t been ruled on, doesn‘t mean it’s Constitutional.
“Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:26am
come on just say it, you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian.”
“I didn’t accuse you, I was just asking you to come clean…just like you were doing to me….”
Hahaha, what? You said ” I didn‘t tell you you’re an atheist.” I have the exact quote from you: “you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian.” You’re right, you didn’t accuse: you flat our said it. That‘s why you’re a liar.
Ladies and gentlemen, cognitive dissonance! (Round of applause)
As for the slavery issue, you’re mixing up your arguments. You are no claiming I said the Constitution explicitly guaranteed slavery. That’s false. What I did say was it was deemed a state’s right issue (as per the 10th amendment, where powers not granted to the federal government are held by the states). Not until the passage of the 13th amendment was slavery declared unconstitutional, because until then it was simply considered allowable under the 10th amendment. States could allow or not allow slavery as they pleased.
I think you’re getting mixed up by changing your argument, not by my response to it.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:00pm@Rush
“I called your smearing of christians sick twisted and evil…”
Oh, that’s odd. I don’t recall smearing any Christians. I mean, you yourself are saying those threats weren’t from Christians, but were all from atheists pretending to be Christians. So how could I have smeared them?
What I -did- say was that it’s not following Christ to threaten and insult young girls. If it hurt your feelings that I’m calling people who you insist are not Christians “Un-Christian,” then… well, then I think you’re arguing with yourself. You might have a point: people using the hashtag “TeamJesus” and “TeamChristian” and say “ive been christian my whole life,“ ”im catholic,“ and ”dear heavenly father” could all be lying about their faith.
Ah, also, go check those messages again. You lied once more when you said none of them claimed to be Christians.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:03pm“Because the courts didn’t rule it as such? My point stands: just because something hasn’t been ruled on, doesn‘t mean it’s Constitutional. :”
you point is blown out of the water…how can something be constittuional for all those years…and all of a sudden not???? pssst….its because the judges decided it wasn’t…not because the constitituion says its not….duhhhhhhhhhhh
“Hahaha, what? You said ” I didn‘t tell you you’re an atheist.” I have the exact quote from you: “you’re an atheist liar, posing as a christian.” You’re right, you didn’t accuse: you flat our said it. That‘s why you’re a liar.”
now you shorten my quote…oh thats too funny….just shows how desperate you are….so in other words my point scored big time….LOL loser so why take those words out?? hmmmm?????
tell me are you masochistic?? I really enjoy making you look stupid…its so easy…
“What I did say was it was deemed a state’s right issue (as per the 10th amendment, where powers not granted to the federal government are held by the state”
interesting thats not what you said last time…last time you said slaves were deemed as property….and you were right the first time…thats what the court ruled….they didn’t mention the 10th amendment in the ruling as far as I can tel…
continued….
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:05pmThe Opinion of the Court, written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, was, and remains, extremely controversial: legal scholars of diametrically opposed jurisprudence do not debate whether or not the decision was wrong, but rather why it is wrong. The decision was 7–2, and every Justice besides Taney wrote a separate concurrence or dissent. For the first time since Marbury v. Madison, the Court held an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional. The decision began by first concluding that the Court lacked jurisdiction in the matter because Dred Scott had no standing to sue in Court, as Scott, and all people of African descent for that matter, were found not to be citizens of the United States. This decision was contrary to the practice of numerous states at the time, particularly Free states, where freed slaves did in fact enjoy the rights of citizens, such as the right to vote and hold public office.[4] The decision of the court is often criticized as being obiter dictum because the Court went on to conclude that Congress had no authority to prohibit slavery in federal territories and that, because slaves were not citizens, they could not sue in court. Furthermore, the Court ruled that slaves, as chattels or private property, could not be taken away from their owners without due process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:06pmso ‘legal scholars of diametrically opposed jurisprudence do not debate whether or not the decision was wrong, but rather why it is wrong’
but YOU said it was the right ruling…..
Come on, just say it. You approve of slavery based on race
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:09pm“Oh, that’s odd. I don’t recall smearing any Christians. I mean, you yourself are saying those threats weren’t from Christians, but were all from atheists pretending to be Christians. So how could I have smeared them?”
you said they were christians, and you ignored what I said, obviously….you refuse to prove they are christians..and you go further claiming they’re fundamentalists…when you have no idea who those supposed people are…whether they are real or not….you just take the words of an atheist wacko site…
you’re not nearly as clever as you think you are sweety.
“You might have a point: people using the hashtag “TeamJesus” and “TeamChristian” and say “ive been christian my whole life,“ ”im catholic,“ and ”dear heavenly father” could all be lying about their faith. ”
yeah thats just the kind of thing an atheist trying to smear christians would do….no surprise someone as simple as you would fall for it….
but then you want to fall for it…you want to smear christians….
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:15pm@Rush
“how can something be constittuional for all those years…”
Again, it wasn’t. It wasn’t ruled on.
“now you shorten my quote…oh thats too funny….just shows how desperate you are….so in other words my point scored big time….LOL loser so why take those words out?? hmmmm?????”
Wait… adding in “Come on just say it” invalidates you calling me an atheist… how?
Hahaha, Rush, you’re too funny!
Oh, and a liar. Can’t forget that!
“interesting thats not what you said last time…last time you said slaves were deemed as property….and you were right the first time…thats what the court ruled….they didn’t mention the 10th amendment in the ruling as far as I can tel…”
Uh… I guess you missed the part where I said the States could decide whatever they wanted with slavery as per the 10th amendment. Slave states decided they were property, the courts agreed. And as I said, I felt the decision was wrong; they could have (and should have) ruled that they were people with all the rights allowed to any free man. But once the courts had ruled slavery was constitutionally valid, it stood until an amendment overturned it.
You’re… really bad at this.
“Come on, just say it. You approve of slavery based on race”
Oh, and a liar. For those keeping track at home, that’s three times now that Rush has been caught in lies!
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:19pm@Rush
“you said they were christians, and you ignored what I said, obviously”
… oh, I missed that you’re the definitive source on who does and does not consider themselves a Christian. Oops?
“….you refuse to prove they are christians..”
You mean… like, providing all the quotes where they claimed to be Christian, Catholic, and part of team Christian and team Jesus? Yeah, too bad I didn’t do that… oh wait, that’s no proof, right? Because -you- say they’re actually atheists tormenting this girl to make Christians look bad.
Pardon me if I take people at their word instead of the mighty Rush, whose opinion alone decides if someone is or is not a Christian! Hahaha, you’re a hoot!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:20pm“you’re not nearly as clever as you think you are sweety.”
Also, same as with AZjeff, I’m interested in guys. Sorry Rush, you’re not my type; I don‘t think I’ll ever be your sweety.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:23pm“… oh, I missed that you’re the definitive source on who does and does not consider themselves a Christian. Oops?”
yeah but you do take the word of jesus fajita fish stick….who wouldn’t, right???
are you for real?
“You mean… like, providing all the quotes where they claimed to be Christian, Catholic, and part of team Christian and team Jesus? Yeah, too bad I didn’t do that… oh wait, that’s no proof, right? Because -you- say they’re actually atheists tormenting this girl to make Christians look bad.”
yeah consider the source….jesus fajita fish sticks…..yeah what they say is GOSPEL…BWHAHAHAHAH I mean really. you have no idea who these people are, or even if the wacko web site just made them up….
yet you sit in judgment, your SO high and mighty….you do know that when Jesus told us not to judge…what you are doing is EXACTLY what He warned against…
“Pardon me if I take people at their word instead of the mighty Rush, whose opinion alone decides if someone is or is not a Christian! Hahaha, you’re a hoot!”
you take jesus fajita fish sticks at their word…I have a bridge for sale…cheap….what a buffoon…
thanks for the laughs…..I’ll check back later to see what further stupidty you posted…..
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:27pm@Rush
“you take jesus fajita fish sticks at their word…I have a bridge for sale…cheap….what a buffoon…”
Uh… that was the source with the dozens of these from the last article on Ahlquist. The ones I’ve been quoting this entire time have been from a different site (Practicaldoubt), which was linked up above. I know you read it, as you quoted part of it… did you just get mixed up?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:28pm“Again, it wasn’t. It wasn’t ruled on. ”
oh I just saw this..and couldn’t resist……pssst…..just because the court says it is or is not constitutional doesn’t make it so….see Dred Scott….
“Wait… adding in “Come on just say it” invalidates you calling me an atheist… how?”
I explained it before….you are rather dense aren’t you…I was asking you to admit it, just like you were doing to me….whats good for the goose is good for the gander wouldn’t you agree??
“Uh… I guess you missed the part where I said the States could decide whatever they wanted with slavery as per the 10th amendment.”
you didn’t say it last time…another lie on your part….but nothing in the ruling mentions the 10th amendmet as far as I can tell…so again you’re a liar.
“And as I said, I felt the decision was wrong; they could have (and should have) ruled that they were people with all the rights allowed to any free man. But once the courts had ruled slavery was constitutionally valid, it stood until an amendment overturned it”
no you didn’t….you said it was the right decision….you disagreed morally…like fat old drunk murderer kennedy being ‘personally’ opposed to abortion…yeah….laughable stupidity….I do feel sorry for you, such stupidity has to hurt.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:29pm“You’re… really bad at this.
“Come on, just say it. You approve of slavery based on race”
Oh, and a liar. For those keeping track at home, that’s three times now that Rush has been caught in lies!
”
you approved of the dred scott decision….I haven’t heard anyone else EVER state such blithering idiocy…what else are we to conclude other than you approve of slavery based upon race?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:31pm“Uh… that was the source with the dozens of these from the last article on Ahlquist. The ones I’ve been quoting this entire time have been from a different site (Practicaldoubt), ”
which quotes jesus fajita fish sticks….duhhhhhhhhhhhhh
and practicaldoubt…yeah another wacko atheist web site…..duhhhhhhhhhhhh
pathetic.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:47pm@Rush
“no you didn’t….you said it was the right decision….you disagreed morally…
you approved of the dred scott decision”
Uh, Rush. Might want to try not contradicting yourself. As YOU just said, I disagreed with it. You never asked approval (I disapprove of it as well, Mr. Liar). What I did say is that the Supreme Court ruled slavery constitutional, and that constitutionality was overturned by the 13th amendment.
“I was asking you to admit it, just like you were doing to me”
Interesting logic. So if I said “Just admit it, you’re an ax murderer” and repeatedly referred to you as such, that means I’m not actually calling you an ax murderer? Cognitive dissonance, now in all the colors of the rainbow! (please don’t call me sweety any more)
“which quotes jesus fajita fish sticks….duhhhhhhhhhhhhh”
And those quotes weren’t from the fish sticks site, but direct from Twitter. So… that‘s another lie you’ve been caught in.
“and practicaldoubt…yeah another wacko atheist web site…..duhhhhhhhhhhhh”
And as I said before, I don’t espouse their views. That doesn’t change you lying about both the source of the quotes and that no one called themselves Christians.
This is fun, it’s like whack-a-mole. Rush says something, it’s easily smacked down, then he changes the argument and THAT gets smacked down… unfortunately, nothing much gets resolved…
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:49pmOh, and Rush
“Would you at least agree that this girl should not be threatened or insulted for her actions?”
You’ve said you agree death threats should be prosecuted. But you’ve never actually condemned these people making threats in the first place. Even if they’re atheist mole-men from Kolob (or whatever your conspiracy theory was), do you think any of them should have made these comments?
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:06pm“Uh, Rush. Might want to try not contradicting yourself. As YOU just said, I disagreed with it. You never asked approval (I disapprove of it as well, Mr. Liar). What I did say is that the Supreme Court ruled slavery constitutional, and that constitutionality was overturned by the 13th amendment.”
you disagreed MORALLY…you APPROVED OF THE DRED SCOTT DECISION…you said it was correct….OMG…you are SUCH a liar…..
you ALWAYS approve of every supreme court decision…to you they are the final arbitors of what is and is not constitutional….just like your idiocy about the ‘court never ruled’ until 1962 on whether prayer in school was constitutional…
you’re just a joke of a man…how do you even look at yourself in the mirror?
Interesting logic. So if I said “Just admit it, you’re an ax murderer” and repeatedly ”
you just don’t like your own logic turned against you….poor dear…whine much?
“And those quotes weren’t from the fish sticks site, but direct from Twitter. So… that‘s another lie you’ve been caught in. ”
did you see them on twitter? so why believe a wacko web site? how do you know whether someone on twtiter, that you have NEVER met is a christian or not? I mean seriously you want to believe they are christian….of course an atheist would NEVER try to smear christians….no…….but you sure do you lying piece of trash.
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:11pm“And as I said before, I don’t espouse their views. That doesn’t change you lying about both the source of the quotes and that no one called themselves Christians.”
I didn’t see anyone on the practical doubt site claiming to be a christian…as I said, one claimed to be catholic….but then atheists are liars…..and they accused taycrock of being a christian…because she said she had a near death experience…but she never said it….so post the person on that site that said they were a christian…..
“This is fun, it’s like whack-a-mole. Rush says something, it’s easily smacked down, then he changes the argument and THAT gets smacked down… unfortunately, nothing much gets resolved…
”
you haven‘t smacked anything I’ve said down…I’ve enjoyed making you look stupid…its SO easy…and its been fun proving what a liar you are….but then I make you look so bad every time we converse, I’m surprised you still have the guts to post to me…..
you must be masochistic…..loser
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:16pmoh and ‘practical doubt’ is just another left-wing wacko atheist web site….
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Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:12pmLOCKED, please stop replying to RIR.
Report Post »He is mentally ill and he will never stop flooding the comments section with his hate filled rubbish if you continue to acknowledge him. Same goes for a few other so called “christian” posters here. They’re as vile as members of the Westboro Baptist Church. Best to ignore them than to fuel them because they’re looking for their endorphin release.
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:26pmpontiac….oh you‘re just upset that I’ve made you look so foolish so easily….hate filled? really is that the best you can do? just the same old BS atheist talking points?
do any of you atheists have any intelligence? oh and you can continue to ignore me…and I’ll continue to make you look stupid…LOL
oh and locked….since you say the dred scott decision was correct, what do you say about Roe v Wade? since you’re SUCH a good christian..I’m sure you disagree with that decision, right? and uh since the denial of personhood is at the heart of both decisions, please tell us why you think roe was wrong…you do think it was wrong….correct???
oh and one question, how much do they pay you to post on here? it wouldn’t be 30 pieces of silver, would it?
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:14pmoh and locked don‘t you find it interesting that a good ’christian’ like you would get the support of one of the most hate-filled vile and downright evil posters on this site pontiac…..
you are known by the company you keep….
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:04pmLocked, the “Christians” on this site are mindless little sheep repeating whatever Becky tells them is true. Just insult them and move on. The knuckle draggers will never think for themselves and for them science must conform with the bible’s teachings.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:31pmwell look who else is on your side locked…belzebub himself….LOL
oh yeah you’re on the side of the angels locked with your attacks on christianity….fallen angels that is….
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:22am“I’m thrilled.”
What? Me worry about the future of this country when it will soon be in the hands of deviants like this?
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:08amThe country is already in the hands of deviants from the “60′s”
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:16amYeah, but at least that group has somewhat of a work ethic.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:21amDown with public schools! If they are going to cave in to atheists, communists, any whacko next in line, do you really want your kids to go there?!! Same with college, why go? Its just an expensive liberal training camp, not for higher learning.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:32am“Same with college, why go? Its just an expensive liberal training camp, not for higher learning.”
Here’s one idea. The unemployment rate for those with no high school education is around 15%. The unemployment rate for those with a bachelor’s degree or higher is around 4%.
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AmeriCat
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:51amYou say it well!
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:55amCollege degrees today are the equivalent of high school degrees: A Doctorate is what a Masters used to be and a Bachelors is a high school equivalent. An Associates is a trophy for participating at best. A TRADE however will land you a job that Master degree people are getting for pay in Public institutions and usually, if you are a good business owner, its security is just as good if not better than working for public entities. College is a joke. Unless you like to get your hands dirty however, college, is at the moment, a necessary evil.
Or is it?
Thirty years ago a high school diploma could land you a job with better pay than public workers and 20 years before most adults had or decided to drop out of school before the equivalent of 8th grade and work. Why because the pay was good! And school didn’t enhance it. Who was getting paid better? Hint: It’s not the college kids of today.
I remember CBS one night asking an auditorium of people what their education level was. ONE person had an associated, almost everyone had the Bachelors, 5 had their Masters and no one was there with a high school diploma or a Doctorate which sent a clear message. Get your dang Masters, find work and then haul butt to get your Doctorate. It was sad to see and discouraging for we all know the cost every student has to make in order to reach that goal.
My nephews: Pfttt… “Community college to be a piper fitter?! Job opportunities? They are calling HIM. Food for thought. Ge
Report Post »mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:04amlmao lets start teaching them the founders words the pilgrims the puritans… their own writings their own history out of their own mouths “the forefathers of liberalism socialism”
Report Post »you are a fool the founders lived in a agarian communial society that lasted two hundred plus years~
capitalism is 120 years old so far and i love some historical right wing revisionist but-
the founders were fleeing conservative europe~
all you have to do is go read any of the puritan books any of the pilgrim books~ they did write why they fled europe~
out of their own mouths they did write~
sucks to be a republican- they dont read and listen to idiots like gingrich limbaugh~stossel~
right-wingers do historical revisionism~ they follow dominion theology
republicans are evil little snots who want to force their theocratic dominion theology on people just like the old european churchs! that the puritans and pilgrims were fleeing from
to be republican is to be anti-american at its core~what the founders were fleeing the same beliefs you hold~
the founders believed that america was the new zion and they followed gods-commandments~
and not the eurocratic- european dominionist churchs
republicans are of the anti-christ they idol worship capitalism~
they dont follow any of the torahs or the new testament commandments
republicans are ungodly reprobates
http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/charity.html <<
start reading them damn socialist puritans and pilgrims hate the
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:13am“you are a fool the founders lived in a agarian communial society that lasted two hundred plus years~
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laughable BS…the pilgrims gave up their socialism within a few years…it failed miserably…just like it fails today…get a clue gomer.
“capitalism is 120 years old so far and i love some historical right wing revisionist but-
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more BS…capitalism is as old as humanity…
“they follow dominion theology
republicans are evil little snots who want to force their theocratic dominion theology ”
better that than your fascist theology…
take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds….
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:15am@The Jewish Avenger
“College is a joke.”
College is whatever you make of it. There’s not much demand for those with an art degree, but there’s a huge demand for those with medical, math, or hard science degrees. A business degree is also not a bad idea, especially for someone setting up their own business (learning how to do your own accounting, taking law classes, understanding incorporation, etc… all valuable).
College is like life. If you plan it out and know what you want to get out of it, you’ll go far. If you putz around and goof off, you’ll get very little out of it.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:19am@Moltov
You are dead wrong and like a typical “sore loser” atheist, you cherry pick what goes with your opinion and throw out the rest but hey you go ahead slugger go with what makes you FEEL good…
I”ll stick with God.
As a reminder, the moment you debate about God and refer to Him as “god” you lost the debate. Try to remember that respect is the key to a successful debate.
Unless of course you are just childishly ranting, then we can simply ignore what you say period.
Report Post »If you are not childishly ranting, its hard to tell.
The Jewish Avenger
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:35am@Locked
College is like life. If you plan it out and know what you want to get out of it, you’ll go far. If you putz around and goof off, you’ll get very little out of it.
Good points. Good time to say, I dont always agree with where you stand on opinions but it helps to understand mine and respect yours no matter how hard they are to swallow…
Ok enough nice lets rumble! (LOL)
Report Post »Dr. Joel Fleischman
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:28amMr Molotov Cocktail- Encinom
Just do a favor and ignore the dickwad, maybe he will get fed up and go back to the Huffington Compost post haste.
Report Post »Manchurian.Candidate
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:51am@ JEWISH AVENGER,
Report Post »I don’t agree with most of your comments, but you, unlike most of your fellow conservatives, at least show some restraint when it comes to flame throwing and sniping. I don’t agree, but I can respect your points of view because of the way you deliver them. If your comrades took a lesson in manners and civility, they might find it easier to have an intelligent discussion. But since they don’t, I’m more than happy to rattle a few cages. It‘s a sadistic pleasure I engage in only because it’s so readily provided to me. Even if I’m just having a little fun, it’s amazing to me how quickly it escalates into verbal warfare. Of which, I am also guilty.
So anyway, thanks for exhibiting some decorum in your posts. The rest of you should learn some manners.
Shalom.
robinakilt
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:55am@Mr. Mot ****….first I will say whoever taught you your twisted history did a great job they should be proud!
Second, you mention this great agrarian communal society the puritans lived in…They almost died many times because those that worked could not produce enough food to support those who did not work.. They would put all of the food the community would grow in one place and would allow all in the community to go and get what they needed but it wasn’t enough. THEY ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH…SOME DID! They gave up on that dumb experiment pretty quickly. Hey, give me one good example in the entire history of the world where Socialism, Marxism or Communism has worked to the benefit of the PEOPLE. Take as long as you need I am in no hurry.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:04amCOMRADE MOLOTOV….perhaps you should try posting in English?
Report Post »mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:59amrush is right << keep listening to rush limpie… the drug addict he will be gone in a few years~
Report Post »you hicks are almost done in-no matter what after this election demographics have changed the usa already the babyboomers are going out fast~ with the babyboomers gone-another 20 years there will be no republican party at all so live it up hick ~
there is not one functioning rich red-state……they are all welfare states … conservatism sure works~
thats right, there is not one red-state that dont take more dollars then it puts into the fed~! blue states pay for red-states that proves the more liberalism works!
i dont expect anything from hicks they seem to know it all but never read a book~
supplyside economics sure works too another conservative idea~30 years of decline of america yep the destruction the downfall of america was conservative idealogy! hick thats just a fact~what has happened in the last 30 years? what economic policy have we've had trickledown supplyside conservative death worship~
hicks are nothing but ding-bats
you are a hick a **** tawking loser who probably has no job hates the world around him-hates just to hate you are a pefect example of a ding-bat
to conserve is to die when things dont change its= death
to be liberal is to change- and there is one constant in the universe – and thats change
conservatism is a death-cult the destroyer of nations~
AvengerK
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:37pmI said English COMRADE MOLOTOV.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:57pm“you hicks are almost done in-no matter what after this election demographics have changed the usa already the babyboomers are going out fast~ with the babyboomers gone-another 20 years there will be no republican party at all so live it up hick ~
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enjoy your fascist state adolph…you’ll fit right in….oh but the revolution devours its supporters first…and without the republicans who will you have to leech off of, loser?
Report Post »CosmicBob
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:39pmSuch a mature, reasoned and intelligent debate here. Glad to see it hasn’t descended into low class ad hominem attacks… oh wait, it has.
The hilarious part of all of this is this childish argument is between Christians! Unbelievable! I thought Christianity was about love for your neighbour and all that.
Fine example of “good Christian” behaviour, gentlemen.
Thanks for the entertainment. I’m off to go and worship Voldemort, or whatever your ignorance tells you that atheists do.
Report Post »wargames83
Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:36pmYeah, our engineers, mathematicians, and scientists, and doctors didn’t learn anything from higher education, they are just liberal indoctrination camps. Oh wait, thats right, their designs, formulas, ideas, and treatments actually work and help improve quality of life and advance human knowledge.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:10amAnother reason to get your kisd out of these public schools.
Report Post »Solo Inc
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:37pmyou hit the nail on the head, you want to teach some stupid, onproven idealolgy, then do it in your own private schools.. keep your stupidity to yourselves..
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:00pmSolo Inc. – Why don’t you take your own advice on keeping your stupidity to yourselves. Your Marxist ideology has already been proven to be a failure, so you have no room to criticize anybody else’s stupid, unproven ideology.
Report Post »Lgbpop
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:13pmWhy change ours when you can just go to the Soviet Union and enjoy theirs?
Oh…..yeah, right, try East Germany then.
Oh, yeah. Right. Just go somewhere. We were the original world misfits, which is why our constitution scares you so much. Just go to Europisstan, or Zimbabwe, or Burma, or somewhere else where your vision of utopia already exists.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:15pmWhy do you think a new constitution will compensate for your ignorance of the first one?
Never mind answering. If you understood the first one, you would never have made such a publicly shameful statement.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:17pmTime for a change?
History repeats itself. There is nothing new under the sun, and all is vanity. We read about your sort over and over in the annals of history.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:44pmYou won’t get much agreement from the conservatives on here. They’re brains tend to have larger amygdalas and are more apt to respond to change with fear.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:45pmWrong posting
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