Tenn. Tourist Faces 3 Years in Prison for Trying to Check Her Gun at 9/11 Memorial
- Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:11am by
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NEW YORK (The Blaze/AP) — A tourist from Tennessee reportedly thought she could check her loaded gun at New York City’s Sept. 11 memorial.
The New York Post says 39-year-old Meredith Graves was visiting the memorial at the World Trade Center site on Dec. 22 and noticed a sign that said “No guns allowed.” The Post reports that Graves asked police where she could check her loaded pistol. She was arrested on a gun-possession charge:
Graves, a fourth-year medical student, showed up at the memorial on Dec. 22 to pay her respects during a trip north for a job interview.
She didn’t realize that the loaded .32-caliber pistol in her purse would be a problem until she saw a sign at the site that read, “No guns allowed,” sources said.
“She remembered she had the gun on her,” a source said. She walked up to a security guard and said, “I have this gun. Where can I check it?”
The guard told her that she was in luck because of “law enforcement day” — and led her to another area.
When she got to that section, she asked another cop, “We have this gun — can we check it in here? We [my husband and I] are not law-enforcement.”
That’s when she was arrested.
Graves has a legal permit to carry a weapon in Tennessee, but New York’s gun laws are stricter. She got the gun into the city because she drove from Tennessee.
The Post says Graves posted bond and is due back in court March 19. She faces 3 1/2 years in prison if convicted.
The newspaper says her attorney at Legal Aid did not return phone calls.
“You’d think states would reciprocate with the Second Amendment. She has a license to carry in Tennessee,” her mother-in-law, who lives in New Jersey, told the Post.
“Everyone down there carries, and she just forgot,” the woman, who wouldn’t give her name, said. “She was being honest, and this is the treatment they give innocent people.”
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Comments (446)
knighttemplar999
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:58amJust think of all the diagnostic tests she will forget to do when she is a doctor. After performing surgery she’ll be asking the nurses where all the sponges, clamps and other various medical surgical devices went. They’ll be in the patient most likely.
Report Post »Radiant.Simplicity
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:04amTwit
Report Post »Radiant.Simplicity
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:06amWhy not complain about the state of NY violating the 2nd amendment?
Report Post »hud
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:12amBecause it won’t do any good.
Report Post »dwhipp
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:03amThis is absolutely unacceptable. It turns ones stomach, an honest armed american gets arrested for being just that, honest… and how many illegal shooting happened in NYC ? Clearly by this example NYC would prefer that only criminals carry guns, god forbid that licensed law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves!!??. Its just so so wrong. This bs happens everyday…. and innocent people still die at the hands of illegal fire arms….. in the hands of criminals. In the world we live in fire arms give you options…running away or calling the police will not save your life in some situations
Report Post »mikiegro
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:57amAnyone who has spent time in NewYork city realizes that it is not a part of the United States. It is a communist sector where the constitution does not apply.
Report Post »jnobfan
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:13amI am not an attourney but wouldn’t her 2nd right be even stronger than a NY resident trying to check the gun because she carried it across state lines?
Report Post »BibleGunClinger
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:15amYou CANNOT use the “I forgot” excuse. If you are going to carry, you need to be aware of the rules for each state. There has been at least two incidents, this one and the head Tea Party guy a couple weeks ago. NY is not a carry conceal friendly place. Thugs & crooks can get away with it of course! Know the rules and make your own judgement call to carry or have a massive brain fart and have to endure the time and money it will cost these two people.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:22amYeah, she has to be amazingly naive. I find that kind of innocence charming, and I wish we all had it again like we used to prior to the 1990′s, but alas, in this day and age you have to know certain things. One of those things is exactly what you mention, that places like New York, New Jersey, California and Illinois would be a better fit in North Korea than they are in these united States of America.
She did absolutely nothing wrong, at all, and by any Constitutional and American tradition standard, was acting as an honest agent peacefully exercising her rights. I like the suggestion that she skip out of NY and back to TN, where she’s likely to get a much fairer hearing.
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:34amThere is NO WAY I would visit New York City for ANY reason. It’s not only every bit the fruit and nuts land as California it has a hard-core fascist element as well.
A person would think the the police should use common sense and intelligence both in dealing with the application of laws that are clearly not for the purpose of blanket arrests without exception. The woman volunteered that she had a pistol and that she was licensed to carry in Tenn. That in itself should have been enough to waive arrest maybe with the stipulation that the weapon would be broken down and mailed to her home address by the police later.
People have to know that very few police are your neighborhood friend anymore. While there are still some excellent cops and sheriffs the trend is toward Gestapoism by people who are drunk with power.
It’s going to get much worse.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:35am@ biblegunclinger, I care not what some draconian state law says. As a human being, no one has a right to take away my right to defend myself. The Revolutionary war was started over this and little more than a decade later, our founders made a written guarantee in our contract with our government that the People have the right to bear arms.
Apparently you are of the camp that believes it is fine to regulate who can have a firearm and where. People like you are no better than people who want to ban all weapons outright. It is obvious that this woman is not a criminal, has no criminal intent, and carries a firearm to protect herself and others from harm. If anything, I think she deserves our support and thanks; not a trip downtown in the back of a squad car and a court date. How can you support such behavior by the state?
And remember, the second amendment never says “firearms”, it says arms. That means that any and every weapon conceivable from now until the breaking of the world is lawful to keep and bear in this nation. Weapons are not and should not ever be illegal. Using a weapon to take away another person’s rights, property, or life is and should be punishable in the harshest means possible. Don’t conflate the weapon with the crime as so many imbeciles do these days.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:58amThis is where common sense would have come in handy. In Texas we can carry concealed weapons, but before taking a gun to NYC, I’d spend a couple of minutes on the Internet looking up their gun laws (common sense). Like most people in here though, I’d be about as likely to vacation in Pyongyang as in NYC, so this would never be a problem for me.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:31amI feel bad for the women but for the life of me I do not understand why anyone would set foot in the City of New York. Members of my family live in Illinois and unfortunately I will not visit them due to the pro-murderer, pro-rapist laws of Illinois. The people of the state continue to vote for the people that worship terrorists and criminals. California is the same way. I don‘t travel to North Korea and I don’t go to places like California.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:35amYet John Corzine , who stole millions from NY citizens can walk around scott free?
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:39am… I went to NYC this past summer and I was armed. To hell with ‘em! I was walking through Columbus Circle and I felt like I was in downtown Bagdad! NYC has more muslim immigrants than the middle east has muslims!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:48am@ghost of Jefferson,
“She did absolutely nothing wrong, at all, and by any Constitutional and American tradition standard, was acting as an honest agent peacefully exercising her rights. I like the suggestion that she skip out of NY and back to TN, where she’s likely to get a much fairer hearing.”
She should have her license revoked by Tenn. She broke the cardinle rule, she failed to learn what the local laws were. Also isn’t the 10th Amendment a part of the Constitution, the one that allows States to create their own laws?
ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:55amLet her go!
Report Post »ValidFib
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:21amThe young lady is from Tennessee, so its possible she‘s from Memphis and if that’s the case she needs to be packing anytime she leaves her house.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:21amIt used to be that the Constitution would supercede state law when the state was violating the bill of rights. A law abiding American should be able to carry their arms anywhere in the U.S. period. Ron Paul tried to get legislation through that would have assured that this type of marxist treatment would not happen, but progressives fought against it. Progressives, who do we have running for POTUS that are progressives? Oh, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. They both have either voted for or signed into law anti-2nd amendment laws. Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:23am“Also isn’t the 10th Amendment a part of the Constitution, the one that allows States to create their own laws?”
The 10th amendment says that the powers ‘not delegated to the US by the Constitution’ are reserved to the states. Since the 2nd amendment is, in fact, part of the Constitution, it supersedes state law.
Sentencing someone to a prison sentence for nothing more than peacefully bearing arms is blatantly unconstitutional. Modern liberal judges disagree, because they don’t agree with the Constitution in the first place. As far as they are concerned, it is just an old piece of parchment, and it is their job to “reinterpret” it to fit their ideology.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:24amEncinom, Just read your post, go back to Russia or China or wherever you are from you Marxist jerk. You are definately not a true American.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:28am@Encinom
You can’t take away an inalienable right. Period.
The 14th also specifies that states cannot take away rights and privileges granted in the Constitution to individuals.
Even lacking a law, rights belong to the individual, not to states, not to anybody.
Thanks for playing.
Report Post »selloursouls
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:31am@Encinom, the tenth amendment applies to everything not mentioned in the Constitution, you know like Social Security, Medicare, welfare, medicaid, obamacare, Department of Education, energy, EPA, agriculture, and almost every other department the feds have come up with in the past 100 years. The 2nd amendment is pretty hard to miss coming in at number 2, so the 10th amendment wouldn’t apply. I bet you aren’t for states requiring ID being required to vote.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:34amNY is over the top when it comes to laws (and taxes). I know someone who was arrested for “open container” for having an empty Twisted Tea bottle on the floor behind the driver’s seat – the last few drops that had been left in the bottle months earlier were dried up. In NY, if you return your empties to get back the extra 5 cents you paid for each one, they can’t be within reach of the driver. You’d think the cops would use some discretion, but they don’t.
Report Post »little big man
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:16pmIt’s simple everybody stop going to NY, and spending your dollars. maybe they will then get it.
What happened to the bill congress passed for all states to accept a weapons permit from another state???
I am currently buying a Hi point 45 cal pistol and a 45 cal assault weapon for personnal protection for when the riots start.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:37pm“She was being honest, and this is the treatment they give innocent people.”
Haha! She might have been “honest,” but she clearly wasn’t “innocent.” Breaking the law and then admitting to it does not make you innocent!
Funny how some of you are all for the rule of law, unless it’s inconvenient! Funny how you all hate big government until local laws don’t fit your ideology!
Plain and simple–the woman broke the law and should pay the penalty. She was ignorant and careless with her firearm. What if the gun was stolen out of her purse or her car in NYC and then used to commit a murder?
Sorry folks: there are no automatic exceptions built into these laws, even if you’re white.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:53pmThis is a matter of discretion.
Time and time again, the police- as individuals and as a public institution deserving of public criticism and scrutiny- show a severe lack of discretion and even outright contempt and hostility toward the general public.
Period.
RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:02pm@Publius
Congratulations on being the first to inject race into the discussion. As you’re a Leftist of course, this is no surprise.
And yes, there are times when the law is wrong and should (or even must) be disobeyed. The underground railroad, for example, was highly illegal in the South in the early mid 1800′s. But it was moral and right to disregard such rights-violating “laws” and help your fellow man to freedom.
Rule of law only works when the lawmakers themselves obey the laws that the public puts down for them to follow. If they do not, then any laws they create are null and void since they themselves are based on excluding the supreme law of the land. That’s the exception, and it always has been, even according to the Supreme Court in the 1800′s.
If you choose to reply, keep in mind that I’m not a “law and order” conservative, I’m a libertarian, and well read in history and philosophy. Your standard tactics will not work.
Report Post »PlowMan
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:04pmGhostofjefferson, you are right! I live in the people’s republic of Illinois. I live in a rural area where people hunt year around and I don’t think twice when I hear a gun shot. Had a friend of mine tell me he was out checking his oil wells (not his property but the company he works for has it leased) a game warden pulled up behind him and demanded he exit the vehicle. The warden said your going to bait those dove aren’t you? My friend had no intention of doing any such thing, he was there on business. The warden demanded that he have consent to search the vehicle, which he got. Nothing was found but I told the friend I would have never consented to the search. We are nearing a police state. I fear that our children will not live in freedom. Reagan’s fear of losing our freedom has come true. It’s not passed down through the blood people, we must fight for it!
Report Post »chingachgook
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:17pmThis is why we need the passage of The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill
H.R. 822. So a law abiding citizen innocently takes a gun to New York City (what a concept, to want to protect your self in New York when you are unfamiliar with the city). Proof of her innocence is she approached the Police. This shows no Mens Rea. This is Latin for “guilty mind”. In criminal law, it is viewed as one of the necessary elements of a crime. We must prosecute the innocent first. They are the ones we can catch. The right to protect yourself, self defense, is the essence of freedom. An armed citizen if a free citizen.
Report Post »Delta D-5-3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:33pmNew York, and especially NYC have become so liberial, there closer to what you would see in Socialist countrys. Really. And that’s because the people ALLOWED it to happen!! This women should know that you need to check the local laws pertaining to that particular state. Sorry, sucks to be her………
Report Post »Bowlz
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:41pmThis a bunch of bureacratic BS. How the constitutional right to bear arms is secondary to a state law is pathetic. It‘s sad that an American cititzen must consider that when they walk into NY that they are walking into another country where the constitution doesn’t apply. On top of that, she shows them the courtesy of wanting to check her gun in at the memorial and this is how she’s treated. Maybe if she claims to be an OWS member, they will forget about the laws as the wonderfully wise Mayor has done. The ONLY common sense on display here comes from this woman from TN. NYC is one place she should be carrying for her own personal safety. Drop the charges and let it go!
Report Post »bombshelterbob
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:45pmHow in the hell does anyone who even remotely conscious not know that New York and especially New York City is gun control central!!!!!!! Sorry folks, I don’t have much sympathy for her, that was just plain dumb.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:54pm“What if the gun was stolen out of her purse or her car in NYC and then used to commit a murder?”
The unintended consequence of banning guns is that instead of disarming criminals, you are actually disarming law abiding citizens. Clearly, the criminals are simply going to ignore the law… that is why they are criminals. This puts the honest people at their mercy, and gives them confidence that they can carry out violent crimes without repercussion.
Put a gun in everyone’s hand, and you can kill two birds with one stone. Criminals will be much more cautious and use much more discretion when wielding deadly force, reducing crime. If they do decide to use deadly force, they will more likely be gunned down by their intended victims, saving the state the cost of a trial and prison sentence.
Maybe you trust the police to protect you, but contrary to popular belief, the police are not actually there to prevent crime. They are there to investigate the crime after it is committed… which doesn’t do you much good if you just got shot (or stabbed, or beaten to death) by a mugger, rapist, or serial killer.
Report Post »TRILOBITE
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 2:17pmIt‘s amazing how the socialist’s jump on the “It’s The Law” bandwagon when it suits their agenda – It’s also telling to see how they interpret the constitution to fit their views – If you switch to the immigration issue, see how quickly they denounce the standing laws! Give up trying to convince the leftest bastards that their wrong – It’s time to take sides, and fight for our once great country… Voting is all but corrupted, and will only frustrate you more!
The ultimate fight is brewing, we need to remove all of the socialist’s/communist’s from power; and put government back in the limited box which our forefathers designed for it! Only then will we be free of Tyranny! Time is running out; it will be hard to fight from inside the camps!
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 2:42pmNew York is psyco over guns. Heaven forbid someone forgets.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 2:59pmWe do need reciprocity!
However, as a gunowner, the impetus is on me to check local laws. It is a pain in the you-know-what, since you may pass through not only states, but also cities and towns with such fascist, anti-freedom, anti-Constitution, communist, fear-based laws. So, your trip may make you legal-illegal-legal-illegal-legal, either that, or, you have to find a way to check your weapon at the border before entering such backwards municipalities.
Report Post »(OR JUST DON’T GO TO THOSE WACKO CITIES) LOL
THEUNKNOWNPATRIOT
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 3:01pmUse the commerce clause…Works everytime.
Report Post »US_SOLDIER
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 3:04pmThis is the part where common sense should outweigh communist laws. She obviously is trying to abide by what she feels is the lawful and right thing to do by first announcing to authorities she has a gun concealed in her purse and two she is trying to hand it over to them. Are we all supposed to be lawyers and no every little facet of every states laws? But instead of authorities using common sense and deciding she was trying to abide by the law she only made a mistake and posed no threat to the people at the memorial they chose to arrest her and threaten her with prison now? Now a days I just assume the craziest most stupidest things are laws now and I have yet to be arrested lol. Truely a backwards world we are living in
Report Post »jdarbysh
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 3:47pmIn the perfect world, carry everywhere. In the messed up progressive world, only where “they” think we should.
Report Post »Testlead
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 4:15pmEncinom—The 10th amendment gives the power to the states. But it does not give the states the power to make any law that violates an individuals Constitutional Rights. For instance the state of Texas cannot decide to pass laws restricting the rights of speech or religion or the right to bear arms or any right protected by the 9th amendment, which is a lot of rights.
Report Post »Testlead
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 4:20pmThe supreme court ruled that ‘when the government acts against the Contitution it is no longer acting as the government’. I haven’t seen a valid government in America my entire life.
Report Post »Give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s. What if Cesar isn’t Cesar.
Hugh Williams
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 4:21pmYes I agree everyone should know New York City hates freedom and the Constitution and of course bans law-abiding citizens for protecting themselves. It is not just the different gun carry laws from state to state that is the problem. Gun carry laws vary wildly from city to city within the same state. I live in Tennessee and have a carry permit. In Tennessee I can carry in state parks but not in city parks in Nashville. In other Tennessee cities such as Clarksville it is OK to carry in city parks. Law-abiding citizens want to obey the law it is the politicians that make things so complicated it is easy to break the law without meaning to. I bet the people taking a hard line with the woman in the article not knowing the NY ban on guns are much more tolerant of the occupy protesters breaking numerous laws and destroying property.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 4:30pmi don’t live in NYC, but most of us on the blaze even know, that you can’t carry a gun period in NYC,,, ask plaxico burress. i don’t agree with that nonsense, but rules are rules.
she is going to jail. this is what honesty gets you in nyc.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 4:55pmIf a wacko state decided to ban free speech, would you comply or would you risk jail? This is the same issue. I believe that if NY does not drop the charges, this could end up at the SCOTUS doorstep. God help you if your connecting flight through JFK is canceled and you have a legal handgun. Folks have been charged in JFK when they picked up their gun case from baggage claim after there connecting flight was canceled until the next day.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 5:05pmDuhhhh; part of responsibliity is knowing what the gun laws are in the state where you are going to go packing; NYC, and Chicago are NOT gun friendly locations…………unless you are a crook..
Report Post »Cat
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 5:40pm…
Knew a dozen or so couples in Soddy Daisy & Dalton Tennessee
They all had collections of some very fine rifles, shotguns and pistols
All the men carried and most of the girls carried as well
When a girl opened her purse, more often then not it contained a .38
True story:
Watching a football game one day with a bunch of the couples
The owner of the house suddenly got up and left the group
A few moments later his wife began to make a pot load of black-eye beans and a crap load of cornbread
In a few moments the group heard a loud ‘pop’ outside
That night we all ate freshly killed hog, beans, cornbread and enjoyed some very smooth moonshine
Simple Americans doing simple things
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 6:21pmMiss Graves; Sue NY for infringing on your Right to Bear Arms, then tell us where to send donations!
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:00pm@encinom
Check your amendments, dolt. States cannot create laws that supercede the Constitution or its Amendments.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 6:49amIf she would have just conceiled it like the criminals, she would have gotten away with it. NY apparently only punishes the law abiding people.
Report Post »mred33
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 5:09pmencinom; Have you ever really read the constitution? The constitution comes first and no state or federal law may over ride this. If you could, then they would have taken away freedom of speech and others a long time ago, and yes, I know they are killing the constitution, but that is simply because they are doing it slowly bit by bit and we are sleeping and letting them get away with it. There is nothing in the constitution that says what we may carry, when we may carry it and how many we may have. In other words, we can carry what we want, when we want and where we want and the government has no right to stop us.
Ed
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 9:07pmThe Supreme Court already nullified Washington’s city law that forbade ownership of guns.
Not sure why New York City’s law still stands.
The 2nd amendment applies everywhere. As does they “citizens may bear arms” section of every state constitution. The Law of each state‘s constitution trumps the legislature’s lesser laws.
Report Post »Sheep with a 45
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:43pmI would like to see NYC ran by gun packing Libertarians.
Report Post »frank
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:55amWhy would anybody would want to go to N.Y.?
Report Post »GodblessGlennBeck
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:08amI believe she was trying to pay her respects at the memorial for the massive loss of innocent life there, just as I plan to do one day. I feel like I owe it to those people who were taken from us prematurely. It’s like visiting a holocaust museum – to pay your respects to those who were needlessly lost. (Other than that, you’re right, I have absolutely NO interest in visiting New York.)
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:10amThat’s a very good question.
Report Post »ThePostman
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:37amMostly just terrorists are interested in NYC. This woman is guilty of associating with New Yorkers, to be sure. That in and of itself should justify a jail term.
Report Post »GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:46am@GBGB N. Korea is not the only country to edit events. Only here they do it on live TV.
Report Post »I believed commercial airliners hit the towers for nine years, then for S&G I looked into the no plane claim. To my surprise, IT ALL ADDS UP TO THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD!!
4mm of sheet aluminum can not shear 20mm box column of structural steel, IT WON’T HAPPEN!
Once you understand how Newton’s third Law should be observed, it becomes blatant how the videos have been FAKED!
A B-25 hit the empire state building in 45′, and fell to the street below b/c it didn’t penetrate the exterior wall.
No black boxes were found, NTSB doesn’t even have a single report listed on their crash report webpage for that day. LOOK IT UP!
momsense
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:13amPeoples Republic of NY you mean!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:49amWhat happened to the passengers on those 4 airplanes? The Crews?? All the people that saw the p[lanes hit the towers. My goddaughters husband was IN the south tower on that day. And he was there in 93′ when the tower garage was bombed. Is he imagining the impact of 3mm of tin foil that makes up a modern airliner?? You conspiracy idiots are on a par with Al Whore and the Man-Made Global Warming Scam. Piltdown Man.
Report Post »The Sergeant Major
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:59amGround Zero: Dude are you serious? Get back on the prozack, stay away from sharp implements and get back in grandma’s basement.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:42pm@groundzero: do your homework before you spout idiocy.
“At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane’s high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.”
“One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall’s windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The other engine flew into an elevator shaft and landed on an elevator car.”
If the terrorists were flying a piece of sheet metal shaped like a plane, your argument would make sense. And if bullets were made of hollowed out tin foil, our boys in Afghanistan wouldnt need body armor. Unfortunately, that sheet metal wasnt wrapped around air, it was wrapped around 275,000 pounds of mass hurtling along at close to 600 MPH. The B-25 was approximately 1/10 of that weight and has a cruising speed of around 230 MPH. Being that the pilot was flying in low cloud conditions and had realized as he dropped below the cover that he was amongst the sky scrapers, he would have decelerated and had been turning to avoid buildings. He was banking and pulling up as he hit the building, and it STILL punched a big hole.
Report Post »GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:04pm@13th You will have to ask that to the ppl who support the promoted HOAX, I make no claim any airliner was involved. Find the messages left on answering machines and “Coaching voices” can be heard in the back ground.
Report Post »@ OZ Here is ur homework. Research the density of air and how much a turbine (designed for 22,000 ft) can handle at sealevel. Find out how much energy it takes to keep a 200 ton jet in the air (results in more drag than u can imagine). AGAIN the airframe of the B-25 FELL TO THE STREET.
Lead is 4x as dense as alum. A 767-200 can not achieve 1/6th the speed of a bullet at sealevel. I can run ur DA statements n2 the ground, naive chambermaid.
Delta D-5-3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:39pmIndeed Frank. I ask that question all the time. I guess that‘s why there’s been such a huge exedus from that shiit hole called NY. George Washington loved that city when it was a city of Patriots. Now, it’s just the opposite…..
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 2:09pm@groundzero: The B25 frame was stuck in the building according to the article I read. Even though it was 1/10th the weight traveling at probably 1/3 the speed, it still managed to punch a huge hole, sending parts of the aircraft through the building. And a 767 is easily capable of traveling at over 520 mph at the altitude it struck without coming apart. It could travel at that speed multiple times without showing any signs of structural stress. It could travel faster (like 600 MPH) at that altitude, but would eventually begin suffering structural problems, but being that the terrorist wasnt concerned with the integrity of the aircraft, he pushed it past tolerances.
Report Post »GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 3:18pm@oz When flying below 22K ft, TURBO PROPS are used. The density of sea level air is too thick for a turbine designed to fly above 22K.
Report Post »There is NO POSSIBLE WAY, short of a vertical nosedive, a 767 can achieve 600 mph at sea level. EVERY PILOT willing to chime in would call u a DA for promoting such disinformation. Sea level air can not be processed fast enough, it results in CAVITATION. The engines can not produce enough power due to this FACT.
Care to ref ur info?
As many vids as there are, find one w/ a DIFFERENT sound track. They are hard to find. Even the est speed on EACH video is different, but the avg is around 220mph. Even a child can see the animated clouds created on entry.
I can’t change ur mind, u have to view the facts for what they are to overcome the MSM brainwashing u continue to believe.
MLee
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:33amI have gone as have my children, to honor the 9/11 Memorial. NO MORE! Let us all agree to boycott this police-state city and see how they cope without our visitor dollars. I hereby pledge myself and family. It’s not really an American city, anyway. If I want to travel to another country itwon’tbe to NYC. “New York is for lovers”…of violence and repression.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 12:35pm@GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3—Are you saying that King Kong is real?. There are things on tape (video) that are real and things on tape(video) that look unreal. I guess you have to have a brain to tell the difference.
Report Post »ZeroOff4impact
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:54amThis is why New York is a Criminal haven. “ SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” it was written so even the simplest of men could understand . Time to cleanse the government of those that cannot or will not follow the very simple Rules it was given.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:10amActually, the FEDERAL Governent cannot take away your guns. States can make their own laws to control them. Yes, if you knew the Constitution you would know that.. But of course if we were back into really using the Constitution, NY would not be controlling guns like they do now. The police state would not be there in the first place to do that to it’s Citizens….
Report Post »Returning to the Constitution will be hard. Probabaly will mean a civil war…
DesertRose1960
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:24am@Zero. According to crime statistics from 2008, New York ranked 46 in crimes, with gun ownership rates of 18% and and 4.6 murders per 100,000, below the national average of 5.5 murders. Tennessee rated 8th in crimes, 43% gun ownership, which is the national average, and had 5.9 murders per 100,000. Let’s see, could it be you’re safer in New York than Tennessee? The facts would seem to indicate it.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:29amWell, no, not everything is “state’s rights” like most people think, though many things are state’s rights (or perhaps even better, individual rights) outside of their purvue. Beck is sorely wrong when he goes by the notion that if a state wants to be like the USSR, that they can. No sir, that’s absolutely incorrect, and both the Federalists and anti-Federalists would take him to task for that.
The thing is that the right to bear arms is an inalienable human right that transcends states, borders and laws. No other animal on the planet would voluntarily submit to having its natural right to self defense deterred (if it was self aware I mean), and neither should we. Since the right to self defense is an *INALIENABLE* right, the very notion of “state, federal or local” is meaningless, as nothing can rightfully make that right “alien” to your being. No peaceful free man can nor shall be denied the right to self defense and the right to bear arms in the public square, period.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:30amI like inventing uncited statistics out of whole cloth too, especially ones that go against actual goverment studies!
Report Post »towerguy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:38amBad! Bad! BadDoggy! The Constitution is the supreme law when it clearly states so. The 14th amendment to the Constitution states in part, “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.” The right to keep and bear arms is a right of every United States citizen under the 2nd amendment, therefore, the individual states have no authority to override this right. In practice, many states do exactly this; I continue to hope that we can restore things in this country to their proper order.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:50amWrongo bucko…If that were actually true, then this lady would have zero problems…
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 1:13pm@tower and ghost of jefferson
Report Post »You are one hundred percent correct.I say its about high time to seceed new york and new jersey from the union.I know its usually the states that do so.However its time we as americans do it for them.They act like a foriegn government, then its high time to treat them like what they are.By failing to follow constitutional law[ and even common sense] for a period of several decades, thay have proven that they have intent to and have for all purpuses, defected.If an individual had done the same they would be deported.[Provided it was truly voluntary]We can’t do that as its a state, we however can seceed them.Anyone for taking this up?
ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 5:44pmDesertRose1960
Report Post »New York is very safe if you can pay the cops on your beat. Most crimes committed on the poor go unreported for safety reasons sort of speak! All the Union owned cities are safe if you pay for it. Remember, Dems have no problem botching numbers eg: Fannie&Freddie to prove their point. Don‘t forget the billions of tax payer money wasted on Obama’s Green Companies. Sorry to get off track but it all boils down to Dems running the show. In New York, you better know one of the top Czars if you want to carry. Oh, and New York will come in on the Crime rate polls exactly where it wants to come in on that poll. Get it!
DesertRose1960
Posted on January 1, 2012 at 12:43am@Themdemslie, Except the party and the media that keep getting caught with their genitals in their hands are not the Democrats. And those statistics came from the FBI. And Unions only make up about 12% of the American workforce, so they control very little, yes a lot of police and fire departments are unionized, but that doesn’t make them corrupt. Are you corrupt? Would you take a bride? Why would you assume that someone else would? Yes, Democratic politicians do lie, but they don’t distort facts as badly as Fox news is lying to you.
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:53amHonestly, this woman did nothing wrong under the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution, the State is wrong in enforcing an unconstitutional state law that infringes on the federal 2nd amendment through NYC’s gun ban, heck even the licence to carry “granted” aka determined by Tennessee’s authority and not God given Inalienable human rights, is a state mandated infringement in and of itself! Man this country has slid a long way since the founding!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:19amshe did do 1 thing wrong…listening to the “no gun” signs. honesty is not being treated well in this scenerio. She will be in my prayers I carry “no gun” sign or not. Criminals have no respect for the sign
Report Post »grafted2
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:52amShe should go back to Tenn. and forget the whole thing. Lose the bond money and consider it the the price of the lesson. She should never go back to that hell-hole again. They won’t come after her for something like that and if they did, she would gett a fairer fight in Tenn.
Report Post »GodblessGlennBeck
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:09amNo, they would extradite her to NYC and then as a fugitive! It’s better to show up and hopefully get the charges dismissed. It’s a completely bogus case, and should never have been pursued in the first place.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:12amUmm, if she did that they would issue a bench warrant . They DON’T have to go anywhere, the next time she gets pulled over for speeding or anything she will be arrested and sent back to N.Y.C.. If it wasn’t a big deal to N.Y, as you say ,then they would have let her out on her own recognizance, But they didn’t, they set bond on her..
Report Post »No , she should get a good lawyer and fight this stupid arrest and then sue…
Dolfenn24
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:52amHer first and only mistake was trusting a law enforcement officer! It is sad to say anymore but the Police are not looking out for our best interests.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:41amI only trust a cop if he/she is an Oathkeeper. If they aren’t, they are a statist and should be driven from their service to the public.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:56amAgreed. How many times do you see someone trying to do the right thing and they end up doing time. With the exception of a gun buy back where they don’t even question people where their firearm came from.
Report Post »Jomil48
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:51amThey will probably throw the book at her, knowing she believes in the 2nd amendment. If she were a thug who just rob a citizen in the city, the gun charge would be thrown out before it went to court. NYC is for the criminal not the honest citizen, I can not understand why anyone in their right mind would want to live there.
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:47amThis is really a shame but I am surprised that any responsible gun owner doesn’t know they had better know the laws of the state/city where they intend to travel with their gun and considerations while traveling to the destination.
Report Post »She may have broken many laws on her car trip from TN to NY.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:00amActually she was probably only “illegal”, insofar as a peaceful exercise of a right can be made illegal, in NY.
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:27amYou are allowed to travel with your gun through any state, however, I agree that she should have checked NY laws before traveling there. Every time we travel out of state, I look at each state law on the way as well as the destination state/city. The only time that we went to a place that did not allow reciprocate with our state was D.C. for the restoring honor event – my wife and I where not comfortable because of the high count of gun shot wounds caused by perps in D.C., i.e., another case of the criminals will not follow the laws, but lawful citizens do and are placed in jeopardy by immature children.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:53amLaws cannot and should not ever be made or enforced that try to control inalienable human rights. It is because of people like you who submit to this kind of harassment that such laws even exist. What if they come out with a law that says you can only eat in a restaurant because food is dangerous and killing people? With Michelle and her push for a “healthier” America, I wouldn’t put it past her to want that sort of thing. Would you let the gov’t decide what you can eat, when, and where? If you say no, then I have only one response…
YOU ALREADY DO!
The USDA and FDA are granted nearly carte blanche power to regulate the food industry. Did you know that if you want to consume unpasteurized milk you are a criminal? And God forbid what should happen if you cross a state line with a gallon of raw milk. And how about growing your own feed for cattle? Ever heard of Wickard v. Filburn? The “Supreme” Court decided nearly a century ago that you cannot grow crops on your land unless the gov’t authority approves of it. Even if you aren’t going to sell that crop and it will all be used on your own property. They believe they have the power to compel you to buy from the market.
Might I say here that the case of Wickard v. Filburn has set the precedent for allowing the state to make you buy a good from the market. So the argument that this new healthcare law that mandates you buy insurance is something wholly new, doesn’t really stack up. We need to overturn Wickard v.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:43amIt’s hard to figure out Who the Criminals are in NY but it looks like there Union Police are part of the problems..Why would anyone,Anyone want to go to NY??? Hey even the terrorists blew it up..
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:52amI totally agree. My wife for a while, being young and naive, wanted to travel to NYC “just once” to see what it was like. I told her that while she was free to act as she wished, that I‘d prefer for her safety that she didn’t go, and further, that I would not be accompanying her. There are some places you don‘t go because they’re evil, and New York City is one such place. She never went, and told me (strangely) it was out of fear of being there alone without a big lug like me to protect her. As if I could protect her from the entire city of criminals wandering around there, shooting people at will as is their wont, myself disarmed “by law”, heh. I wonder about women sometimes.
I also have such a policy towards Illinois, Washington D.C. and California. Wisconsin has recently dropped off that list.
Report Post »Fat Willy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:43amFour year med student? How f—–g stupid can you be? If you carry a weapon , it is your job to know when and where you can carry.
Report Post »ZeroOff4impact
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:49amWhat part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand ..?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:50amShe a four year med student and U.S. citizen with a 2cd amendment right to protect her. The fact the security guard should have told her that she would need to take her gun back to her hotel and leave it due to NY LAWS.
Report Post »jackal
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:01amZero-tolerence mindset! PD should of informed her no guns in our city requisitioned the firearm at worst and let her go.Granted if it was me I would of not said a word NY s ucks on gunlaws .
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:15am@ZeroOff4impact.. ALL of it… :~)
Report Post »BubbaT
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:41amDoes this woman not read or hear the news??? You can’t take so much as a slingshot into worthless NYC. Only cops and criminals are allowed to have guns. She shouldn‘t have said a word and there wouldn’t have been any issue. 3 1/2 years is pathetic. Just like NYC.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:35amIf she hadn’t said a word they would have got her just as soon as she passed through the metal detectors/scanners.
Report Post »George Patton
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:19am@bubbat She probably doesn’t read the news or pay attention to the state of the world, as most people do not. Our understanding of the world is shaped by what we see and hear, and the only things we see and hear are provided by the media. If people never plug in to a news source other than mainstream news then they are living in a fantasy land, even if they are conservatives. I am often astounded and a little worried about my family’s lack of preparation for and general oblivion to the direction the world is headed. The left-wing msm lives in a world where the existence of evil is denied. They truly live in a bubble. And if that is your source of perception of the world then you too also will live in that bublle.
Report Post »That said, we must keep the seemingly perilous times we face in context….for the world has always been in peril. All we can do is be prepared for what has come in the past, will come in the future, and may come during our time. Be ever-ready in all ways, physically, mentally, and spiritually….then we can release worry and live happily, knowing we have done all that we can.
sandlakebob
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:37amI’ve got an “unrestricted” NEW YORK STATE, concealed carry permit, and I can’t carry in New York City. Is there something wrong here, or what ???
Report Post »lbouldin
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:36am@Drago, why should a US citizen with a concealed carry permit have to know any law from anywhere? The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Only a property owner can tell someone to not carry on their property and it be legal. PERIOD.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:55amYou are correct fact of the matter is the 2cd amendment forbit and laws or regulations on gun ownership. WHICH MEANS A CONCEALED CARRY PERMITY IS’NT REALLY NECESSARY.
Report Post »Funny how all these ******** atheist scream Constitution seperation of church and state for a cross in the desert but clam up when goivernment actual tries to take the 2cd amendment rights from citizens.
hempstead1944
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:35amWhy does anyone want to live in NY? You become nothing more than a target for crimminals and the “system”…..can’t win.
Report Post »Togger
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:32amShe should have known better, however, she owned up to it and did not try to hide the fact, I don’t think she should be prosecuted. I have a carry permit for my state but always check the laws when I travel to another state.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:31amPrayers for her and for us.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:41amIllegals get automatic weapons and a 800 hotline number, and American citizens (with the right to own firearms) trying to do the right thing get this treatment. America has one last chance – we must get BHO and his thugs out of office.
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:23am@IMPEACHBHO – Not just BHO, it’s most of the house and senate that should go as well.
Report Post »hardtruckerpaul
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:29amThere gunna need a good lawyer and a
“miracle on 34th street!”
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:02amThey’re gonna, not there gunna.
If you are going to deride people for trying to exercise their natural and inalienable right to self defense which is supported in the Constitution of the United States in which they live and where they were at the time of their arrest, the least you can do is to be grammatically correct. When you use the wrong words it makes your statements unclear to the rest of us and makes you look ignorant at the same time.
Report Post »Female
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:03am“GUNna” very funny!
Too bad just carrying a gun doesn’t do the talking….
a bullet costs how much????
a lawyer and court costs how much???
Florida changed the laws and guess what the armed crimes decreased. NYC needs to take a lesson from all their x-citizens and let the good citizens carry, so, the bad ones don’t know who has and who has not? I don’t want to carry (children0 but I do like the idea of being in places were law abiding people do and could come to my rescue. It can take 911 awhile to respond, assess, and act. Whereas the guy at the next table with a glock under his jacket….
2nd amendment=Protection of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Report Post »SKR8PN
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:27amShe should have kept the gun in her purse, her mouth shut and enjoyed the scenery.
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:40amI bet they arrested her very “fast and furiously”
Report Post »Now if that gun had killed a border patrol agent,
She be let off scott free.
DROPNWALLS79
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:26amWOW. How stupid can NYC law enforcement get? This lady was trying to do the right thing. This is yet another example of how gun laws end up punishing responsible citizens. I hope this woman gets the charges dropped in court.
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:52amNYC kaw enforcement was only enforcing the stupid NYC gun law.
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:24amHopefully it goes to the Supreme Court and once and for all wipes out all these BS State and local 2nd amendment infringements! I’m all for States rights under the 10th amendment, however that doesn’t include infringing on the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. Wishful thinking?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:16amSorry man, you cannot have both. States can and do regulate as they see fit. Yes a STATE could actually disarm it’s citizens…well, if we followed the Constitution as it is written. Then only an idiot would live in a State with confiscitory gun laws…
If the Federal Government was out od regulation guns, like it should be, and any State said you could own a tank..you could indeed own a tanlk. Deal with that. I would LOVE it!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:36am@Baddog
No, a state cannot do that. The entire subject of arms was put in the Federal baliwick by the 2nd Amendment. Not everything is a “state’s rights” issue, only those items not specifically constitutionally empowered to the Fed Gov by the Constitution. Further, the right to keep and bear arms is granted by our Creator and is *INALIENABLE*. Ain’t nobody can take it away by law, the only one who can remove aforementioned right is the Creator. That’s what inalienable means. The Founders were quite clear on this.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:34amThe States still have a right to regulate. If they did not, then why can’t I own a tank?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:38amNo, in fact, they do not. Regulate = “infringe”.
You can own a tank. Well, you can here in Ohio.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:23amI hope she is not convicted of anything. Maybe a “never come back here” boot to the butt and guess what? I’m sure she would never go back to NY again.
I know 1st hand that State Laws vary-sometimes it’s hard to realize the difference. If you ‘carry’ all the time {she legally could} then it becomes a habit. I live in a State where we can turn right on red…other States no-ah. Perhaps a little research on each State would help.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:40amI find it strange that we all accept, as Americans, that the 1st Amendment is a blanket amendment across the land, yet when the 2nd Amendment comes up, suddenly it’s a “state’s rights” issue. How very odd.
Most folks have clearly forgotten what “Inalienable” means.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 2:11pmGOJ,
Report Post »I that’s exactly my point. And it’s really funny how the communist at the ACLU will threaten schools for allo9wing a time honored tradition like a christmas play. But turn a blind eye when states trample 2cd rights. It just as well though rather go down fighting than accept help from satan.
Dirty Harry
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:20amIt wasn’t a very bright move on her part, that’s for sure, but prison time??? That’s total BS! I bet anti-gun fruitloop Bloomberg makes sure they throw the book at her.
Molon Labe!
Report Post »CIAtroll
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:26amremember this when you see Trump running…..
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:59amI am surprised a medical student even had the time to take a vacation. Not surprised she did not know about NYC regs.
Report Post »Cameraman
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 3:45pmShe should get a good Lawyer, and sue the Idiots that passed these unconstitunal Laws, take it to the Supreme Court, or file a class Action suit against the Mayor,Chief of Police, the City Council..We need to settle this once and for all..The STATES cannot pass Laws contrary to the Bill of Rights,its a shame that liberal are in charge of these Large Citys, an keep getting elected to office, by the “Gimmie” crowd..Lesson One DON”T gp to NYC EVER….
Report Post »Chucky77
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:19amLesson learned… Don’t go to NYC as a tourist. Spend your money elsewhere.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:21amI hope she gets offered the job and turns them down.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:30amI agree. I hate NY City. How is it that the Feds can sue states for enforcing immigration laws but when it comes to firearms they look the other way?
Report Post »CS Lewis FAN
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:46amgreat point JLGUNNER, i hope the blaze follows this story to its resolution and let us know how we can put pressure on NY to drop the charges.
Report Post »wifezilla
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:56amGreat idea Chucky. Never go to New York. Ever. Spend your money in states that actually support the 2nd amendment like TN, TX, and CO.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:16amI’m sure criminals see that sign and instantly look for a place to check their weapons, right? Prime example of the stupidity of gun laws.
Report Post »drago
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 8:24am@Gonzo
Report Post »True, but it also shows the stupidity of everday people.First, know the gun laws in a state you are traveling to.Second, never tell the government a damn thing…..
JLGunner
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:44am@ Drago I see your point. If anyone needs to know about states that have reciprocity with other states permits just vist Gun Owners of America‘s web site and also the NRA’s site. Both are excellent resources.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 9:57amSure, you should know the laws but, who is being prosecuted? The responsible gun owner, not the criminal.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:04amIf NYC is fully anti-gun, and it is, then why would they need those signs outside of tourist areas?
Somebody else already asked this question, it seems like an interesting question to me as well.
Report Post »GUNNSUP
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 5:28pmOnce she realized she was carrying her weapon, she should have either gone back to her hotel & put it away or just kept her mouth shut.
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