Tennessee Bill Would Make Following Shariah a Felony
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP/The Blaze) — The Tennessee state legislature is considering making it a felony to follow some versions of the Islamic code known as Shariah, the most stringent measure yet aimed at limiting the expansion of the religious code in superseding civic law. The bill faces steep constitutional hurdles, but the measure’s proponents are confident it will become law.
Muslim groups fear the measure would outlaw central tenets of Islam, such as praying five times a day toward Mecca, abstaining from alcohol or fasting for Ramadan. “This is an anti-Muslim bill that makes it illegal to be a Muslim in the state of Tennessee,” said Remziya Suleyman, policy coordinator for the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition.
The bill’s sponsor, Republican Sen. Bill Ketron of Murfreesboro, said the proposal exempts the peaceful practice of Islam but seeks to condemn those “who take Shariah law to the other extreme.“ He said it would give state and local law enforcement officials ”a powerful counterterrorism tool.”
Ketron, who has successfully pushed through bills tightening restrictions on illegal immigrants, said he expects the Shariah measure will become law.
For now, supporters of the measure are working to bolster it against any constitutional challenges, which may be an impossible task, said First Amendment Center scholar Charles Haynes, who called it a “really distorted understanding of Shariah law.”
“It’s unconstitutional to even suggest that such legislation should be passed,” he said. “Trying to separate out different parts of Islamic law for condemnation is nonsensical. Shariah law, like all religious law, is interpreted in a great many different ways.”
Shariah is a set of core principles that most Muslims recognize as well as a series of rulings from religious scholars. It covers many areas of life and different sects have different versions of the code they follow.
At least 13 states have bills pending that would bar judges from considering Shariah in legal decisions, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, but none of those proposals is as strict as what Tennessee is weighing.
Ketron said he and House Speaker Pro Tempore Judd Matheny, R-Tullahoma, were given the bill by the Tennessee Eagle Forum.
Eagle Forum state President Bobbie Patray said it was drafted by David Yerushalmi, an Arizona-based attorney who runs the Society of Americans for National Existence, a nonprofit that claims following Shariah is treasonous.
Yerushalmi has written for years in conservative media about what he calls the danger of Shariah and its central role in Islam. He has represented Pamela Geller, who leads the group Stop Islamization of America and is one of the most vocal critics of a planned Islamic center two blocks from New York City’s ground zero.
Yerushalmi also represented Stop The Madrassa, a group that opposed a public school in Brooklyn established to teach Arabic language, culture and history. He is one of the contributors to the report “Shariah: The Threat To America” by the Center for Security Policy, a think tank led by Frank Gaffney, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration.
Last year Gaffney testified at a court hearing on the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. The hearing was intended only to determine if local officials violated the state’s open meetings law in approving the site plan, but the mosque’s foes used the opportunity to argue it was part of a plot to expand Shariah law in the U.S.
Yerushalmi said the legislation in Tennessee is clear about who’s being targeted. “The legislation simply states that Shariah that follows the law of jihad, which calls for the violent overthrow of the Tennessee and U.S. government, is the Shariah that is at issue,” he said.
Sarah Thompson, a spokeswoman for the Islamic Society of North America, disagreed. “The way that it’s worded makes the assumption that any practice of Islam is a practice of terrorism,” she said. “And that’s a dangerous line to walk. It excludes the millions of Muslims that are practicing peaceably from the ability to do so.”
The local chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is also speaking out against the measure, claiming the bill would make it illegal to be Muslim in Tennessee. “All of a sudden, I pray using the Koran or the Sunnas of the Prophet, and it’s a crime,” claimed Imam Yusuf Abdullah of Masjid Al-Islam in Nashville. “What kind of bill is that?”
On Thursday, controversial Muslim cleric Anjem Choudary is leading a march in support of Shariah at the White House in Washington, D.C. “the Muslims will let the tyrant Barack Obama and the American people know that a new constitution beckons the US called the Shari’ah, and that this worldwide revolution will see it implemented inshaa’allah (God willing) very very soon,” the march’s website states. (Click here for complete coverage from The Blaze)
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Comments (107)
WISEPENNY
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:57pmIs that perhaps the one Chris Christie appointed already coming back to haunt justice, or is it another Sharia friendly implant?
Report Post »Workforit
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:14pmNice little publicity grab for Tennessee don’t chathink?
“The news that really isn’t… well… news…”
Come on Blaze, let’s get in the game shall we…
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:39pmIts good news. Keep up the good work Blaze. All states need to follow.
Report Post »calebgs83
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:14pmGood…much of Sharia is illegal anyway…murdering jews, murdering apostates, murdering your wife…
Report Post »WISEPENNY
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:11pmSlightly off topic but relevant: I received an email with this shocking news. Can anyone please tell me this isn’t so?
Dhimmitude — What does it mean?
Obama used it in the health care bill.
Now isn’t this interesting? It was used in the health care law.
Every day there’s another revelation of what Obama and his fellow
Democrats are doing to our country.
Dhimmitude — I had never heard the word until now. Type it into
Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. It’s on page 107 of the
healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists. It is
a REAL word.
Amish, scientologists, Christian scientists and Muslims are exempt
…ARE EXEMPT …from the requirements of the health care bill. I
think I could become Amish a whole lot easier than Muslim.
Word of the Day: Dhimmitude
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations
conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims
in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of
converting conquered remnants to Islam.
Obama Care allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim
diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from
the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the
penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
“gambling”, “risk-taking”, and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are
specifically granted exemption based on this.
How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens
placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and
even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I
refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis
Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health
needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will
be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: It enriches the Muslim masters AND
serves to drive conversions to Islam. In this case, the incentive to
convert to Islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well
as the godless Generation X, Y, and Z types who have no moral anchor.
If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem
whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a
Muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I
sign, bro?”
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is desperately
important and people need to know about it — quickly!
IGNORANCE OF THESE FACTS WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICA.
To check it out on Snopes click here: Health Insurance Exemptions
AHREF=”http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp”
I JUST GOT THIS AND HAVE NOT CHECKED IT OUT YET!
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:26pmI have heard this, but i cant remember where.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:45pmAll you need is an official letter from a imam…
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:41pmI checked Wikipedia for “dhimmitude”, which said in part:
The term was coined in 1982 by the Lebanese president and Maronite militia leader Bachir Gemayel, in reference to perceived attempts by the country’s Muslim leadership to subordinate the large Lebanese Christian minority. In a speech of September 14, 1982 given at Dayr al-Salib in Lebanon, he said: “Lebanon is our homeland and will remain a homeland for Christians… We want to continue to christen, to celebrate our rites and traditions, our faith and our creed whenever we wish… Henceforth, we refuse to live in any dhimmitude!”[1]
Wikipedia also stated the word dhimmitude does NOT appear in the obamacare bill but you can opt out of obmamcare under religious conscience objection if you and your religion meet the strict qualifications under the IRS rules. Apparently it’s meant to cover Amish, Muslims, and Christian Scientists. A lot of double talk and legalese to wade through…….
Report Post »mhills51
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:06pmFirst Wikipedia has been proven to be unreliable. I do like the fact that they covered their butts by saying the same thing but with different words. This was just put in to make us pissed when the rest of America finds out and fight for full government health care. Hey I just found out that muslim don’t have to pay why should I.
Report Post »smartypoop
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:53pmIts sad that states feel the need to do this b/c the courts wont properly adjudicate the law. Its shows we have totally lost faith in 1/3 of our system of government.
Report Post »jim1flyer
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:28pmNo truer words have ever been spoken. What we need is a constitutional ammendment outlawing sharia.
Report Post »NYheard
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:44pmThis a good step forward. As one person said that the good Muslims should stand-up and reject sharia law.
Report Post »Next will the Administration stand up with balls and back-bone and tell this CULT, sharia is not allowed in the United States of America.
In Ausi Country,down under, they were a matter of fact to abide by our laws……If you want sharia law, go some place else.
streetrodder
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:38pmMuslim groups in Tn. says the bill makes it illegal to be a muslim in Tn. It should be illegal. They came here on there own, if they dont want to be an American, go back where you came from. I dont know how everybody feels but its BS that everybody that comes here wants to turn th US into the place they came from. Stay there if its so great.
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:55pmYes, and why is that? If they are trying to get away from the “home” country then why change us? Just stay there! We have to put a limit on this toleration thing. Because it only works one way any way.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:59pmTheir goal is and always has been to convert the entire world to Islam by force if needed, with the USA currently in their sights. Their goal is and always has been to kill all infidels who will not convert to Islam. All this Islamic BS going on has NOTHING to do with your notion of “why don‘t they go back to where they came from if that’s what they want.” That was never the issue.
This is an infiltration of the United States by Muslims, invading like a slow and insideous cancer. They are “quiet”, “peaceful”, until the call goes out to rise up against the infidel US citizens. They will never, ever stop their march to rule the world until it is accomplished or they are all dead. That’s the Islamic…………… religion…………… of peace.
Report Post »GEDouglas
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:34pmIs there such a thing as “religious law”? The act of praying five times a day toward Mecca or abstaining from alcohol or fasting for Ramadan….these are all individual personal decisions. Although I have not read the legislation I seriously doubt it comes close to making these individual choices illegal. Any faith that considers their religion and law as one, such as Islam/sharia, is in direct conflict with the American constitution. How can it be unconstitutional to say sharia law will not be practiced in a country with established constitutional law. The practice of sharia is what is unconstitutional. This is where multiculturalism ends. It cannot work….period.
Report Post »designbyinspiration
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:05pmAbsolutely. There is only one culture, the American Culture. English, predominantly Christian, aggressive, helpful and kind, hard working, inventive… Unique in this world. I really wonder what these guys are thinking when they say we are doing things the ‘old’ way or are ‘behind the times’ with the rest of the world. We are the new kids on the block, the new way of raising a nation to the highest order – Freedom tempered with Christian morality. Socialism, communism and other dictatorial type governments have been oppressing people since almost the beginning of time. Bullies and kings are rampant. True Presidents are rare. Mr. Washington, where are you?!?!
Report Post »old.outlaw
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:31pmIf you want to live under these muslim laws; Feel free to go where it is supported. This country was founded on Christian principals and morals. The same goes for you wannabe communists.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:28pmUh oh….here come the ACLU…..I don’t why I just said that other than they are always on the wrong side.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:18pmWhat if a law was submitted that said that some of the laws in the Bible were illegal to follow – just look at it from another direction! http://wp.me/pYLB7-I5
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:22pmWWM1966: These people are hell bent on carrying out shariah to the letter if it bcomes a law. What do they do to those that disagree with their law? Cut off, your, head?
Report Post »ares338
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:12pmWe don‘t need more laws we can’t enforce. Just common sense.
Report Post »ETOOL USMC RECON
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:00pmIf CAIR is aginst it….THEN IT IS GOOD !
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:59pmMake it the LAW OF THE LAND. In fact, the Congress of the United States needs to find Islam to be a CULT OF VIOLENCE instead of a legitimate religion and take away all of their claims to EVERYTHING! If those who practice that so called religion want to continue, make them start a REFORM Islamic faith in America to include a PUBLIC RENOUNCEMENT of violence in the name of Islam and of the CULT of Islam that now exists……..
Report Post »ETOOL USMC RECON
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:01pmSpot on !
Report Post »fgw32909
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:35pmI like the way you said it better…. I was way too P.O.’ed the type anything that rational. Thanks for sharing thoughts.
Report Post »fgw32909
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:57pmAm I the only one who feels these animals are infiltrating our country slowly & progressively? In time they’ll be more than a voice & we’ll have a real tuff time getting rid of them. Get them the hell outta here ASAP. We don’t need bogus explanations on their peaceful religion. They are going to be more trouble for us in the future then they are now. I NEVER dreamed of hearing about a murderous religion marching in our nations capitol or having the presence they’ve been permitted. Wake up, folks. They’re here & getting stronger evey day. Thanks Mr. Obama…..
Report Post »ETOOL USMC RECON
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:40pmSpot on too!
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:50pmAgree. This is just what they did in Lebanon. We tolerate, they infiltrate, populate, and then take over. These people are patient.
Report Post »Gypsy One
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:51pmWe have a US Constitution. We follow the law and EXPECT others to do the same. We do not have to conform to their idea of laws which are evil and against females
Report Post »Gypsy One
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:48pmWe have A US Constition. If you do not like it, well, get out of Dodge.
Report Post »Gypsy One
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:47pmWe have a US Constitution in this country of OURS and if they do not like it, LEAVE. Hey Muslims !You conform to US: WE DO NOT CONFORM TO YOU.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:45pmMINNESOTA needs it!!!!!
Report Post »13.1
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:47pmDitto to that!
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:39pmthank you JESUS! finally, a bill to protect us Americans. TN has to do it since it is already a hotbed of muslim camps and mosques, and is rapidly becoming the go-to spot for sleeper cells back in the quiet hills.
Report Post »lesterlong
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:39pmWhy you be pickin on the religion of peace Willis!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:36pmHonor killings need Constitutional protection
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:34pmWhile technically it may be considered unconstitutional to restrict religion such as their way of praying and such, it is not the same as shariah law. Shariah law, even though they may consider it part of their religion, goes beyond religion when it is used to force others of different faiths to follow it. I pray that they have already realized this when they started developing the Tennessee law.
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:00pmWe don’t need their laws. But by doing this we are upsetting the applecart and it will go to SCOTUS or the WH. Then we will have their laws! By bringing this up, it just stirs it up! They can pray on their own time like everyone can! Believe me this stirring the pot will just turns things in favor of the ones we are trying to protect us from.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:34pmGood! We all need to pass that!
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:31pmThis is a anti-muslim bill. HAHAHAHA thats right. We do not hide. Come and get some.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:11pmNo it is not anti-muslim. It is prohibiting anyone else’s ideology from overriding our laws. This country affords freedom of religion but no religion is excused (or should be anyway) from breaking the laws of the country. It is time we put our foot down here.
Report Post »AquaBuddha
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:32pmWe need this bill in Florida!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:34pmI agree .. states are where this needs to be fought. Before it is too late.
Report Post »GEETAR
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:42pmAll immagrants should be made to read our laws before entry into this country. These are the laws we are expected to live by and we dont like all of the .Tuff s#!t, if they dont agree tell them to hit the road. Look at all these countries that are Islam , they have two classes of people the rich and the poor who are basically the rich peoples slaves and get just enough to live on and thats it. Thats already starting to happen in this country.Our laws are based on the law of Moses.
Report Post »poohbear
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:36pm@Aqua
With this million muslim march coming up in DC and muslims becoming more demanding within our society, we need this bill to be law nationwide! WE NEED IT NOW!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:32pmCompletely unnecessary. Laws on the books already cover what‘s bad about Shari’ah.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:53pmLaws on the books also cover our borders. You see how that has worked for us!
Report Post »american1st
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:55pmi agree unnecessary,
Report Post »the law passed by Oklahoma prohibiting international and Islamic, or Sharia, law from being considered in state court. makes a lot more sense than this one….. this seems unlikely to pass and impossible to enforce….
Rogue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:57pmexactly. Judges are not supposed to interpret law to take into account individual religous beliefs. If that is the case, I am going to start my own religion that allows for my followers not to pay taxes.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:01pmI say go for it, TN. Knowing Obama, with a stroke of the pen, he will issue an executive order making Sharia Law okay. FL needs to do the same thing and I think I will email Rick Scott that very thing.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:04pmI like how you think, *******. We DO need to enforce ALL the laws, not just pick and choose. And the border is a place where enforcement has been lacking WAY too long.
Report Post »But we DO have a pretty good history of going after murderers, child rapists, and wife-beaters. Don‘t let the fact that the govt doesn’t do its job in one area make you blind to the fact that they do a pretty GOOD job in a few of the areas they’re supposed to.
cheezwhiz
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:08pmHow about this:
Report Post »muslims should come out with a declaration about what parts of sharia they find offensive
and will not follow , voluntarily .
Let the “ good ” muslims show some guts and denounce honor killings, killing gays, stoning, flogging, beheading and violent jihad ,
and dissociate themselves from “ bad ” sharia
rodamaa
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:13pmIf it makes Obama make foolish things let make it a movement throughout the US. We are under attack and if we don’t make a stand now while there is still time… Well, blood will be spilt. That would be a great tragedy indeed.
Report Post »michael79
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:13pmSo what! Go for it Tennessee! It should be outlawed everywhere in America.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:20pmHappystretchedthin:
Report Post »Agreed, legislative grandstanding at its Foghorn Leghornian finest!
MichiganPatriot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:26pmIf Sharia Law is in conflict with Natural Law as explained in the US Constitution then it should not be allowed. Just because there are laws against violence does not mean a Judge will not rule in favor of Sharia law, as this has already happened. Something needs to change to protect people from violence of extreme religious beliefs.
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:55pmPeople of the Muslim faith can pray before work during first break, during lunch, during second break and when they arrive home and however many times they want to before returning to work the next day. We don’t need their laws for that.
Report Post »LAM2
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:02pmWe’ve already had a lower court judge on the east coast drop the charges against a muslim man for raping his wife on the basis of his defense — that under Sharia law, muslim wives have no right to withhold sex on demand from their husbands (ruling overturned by higher court).
The UK now has a two-track justice system for many crimes, one for Muslims based on Sharia and the other for us infidels. Now that we’re starting to see the Sharia defense crop up here, I see nothing wrong with trying to be proactive. Even if this attempt doesn’t hold up, this is a good catalyst to spur much needed awareness, conversation and debate.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:12pmDearborn, Michigan… among other places..
I rest my case.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:15pmMy goodness man!
Report Post »Do you understand ANYTHING about natural law?
“Something needs to change to protect people from violence of extreme religious beliefs.”
If you stop at the word violence, I’m with you 100% (as are all the Framers!)
But do you SERIOUSLY want to put the GOVERNMENT in charge of what does and does not constitute “extreme religious beliefs” ??? They’re BELIEFS! Don’t try to legislate away what people THINK in their minds. That’s leftist!
By all means, post more officers in their neighborhoods, make them afraid of the law, but only arrest and punish them when they’ve committed an actual crime. Trust me, rule of LAW is far more successful at dealing with radical Islamic beliefs than attempting to legislate belief ever could be.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:21pmLam2
Report Post »We all see the obvious error of the judge allowing outside beliefs to trump existing laws. I’m sad we have such a dimwit judge on the bench. He should be removed.
There are two problems with your logic, however:
1. The problem with that ruling is NOT the law, it‘s the judge’s failure to uphold the law. Rape is rape is rape, and of COURSE it shouldn’t matter what your religion says about it. The rule of law requires that the legal definition of rape apply across all religions. You’re proposing a solution to the wrong problem. It’s the judge not the law.
2. You assume if we DO pass another law, the judge won’t ignore THAT ONE TOO.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:23pmAlright folks–try to learn something.
Let’s set aside the fact that this law is a blatant and horrific attack on the free exercise clause of the Constitution for a second.
For those of you so afraid of courts “considering” shariah, you have no idea what you are talking about. In the vast vast vast majority of cases of so called Shariah in America go something like this:
A couple is wed according to Islamic custom and law, an agreement is made according to that custom (Muslim prenup: usually involving the transfer of a sum of money, whatever). The marriage doesn’t work out and they get divorced. In court, the issue of the prior agreement comes up. The judge calls in an expert on Islamic law to explain the “Muslim prenup,” the context in which it was made and the role it had in the wedding agreement.
And that, my friends, is a court considering Shariah law. The same respect afforded agreements made according to Jewish law.
Several of you cite the NJ incident–note that the judge made the wrong call, and it was quickly overturned in appeals court. Nor was this incident decided because of Shariah law in the first place–the judge ruled that the man was acting according to his beliefs–one could assume the same result if the man had cited passages from the New Testament concerning wives obeying husbands.
So please. Try to think.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:25pmcheezwhiz,
How about this:
[insert what Cheez said above...]
PLUS,….
SIGN IT, POST IT, OR…
be DEPORTED to the ISLAMIC country of OUR CHOICE.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:35pmStates may legislate and regulate belief as individual states… It’s Constitutional..
What would the men of the Navy and Marines of the Barbary Wars do if the Pirates had landed on American soil and tried to establish a beach head? How would the American public, of those times, have reacted to a migration of Barbary Coast muslims to America with the intent of establishing an unshakable presence on the continent?
When did the war end with muslims?
It never did end… not for muslims… The Barbary Pirates have their beachhead…
islam is objectively intolerant and evil..
The People must force Congress to declare War on DAR-AL-ISLAM
If islam declares it‘s a country with citizens of it’s own, then religious protection is null and void in America…
Communists and Nazis tried to end Nationalism forever, islam tries to do the same.. The Constitution is a tool for the People to direct America against Great Enemies..
islam is the greatest enemy of freedom ever devised.. Deal with it…
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:44pmPublius Pencildufus,
Report Post »No one here is suggesting that kind of consultation is off limits. Your silly example is a red-herring. The laws of the state registering the marriage must be complied with no matter the religion. Religious expert testimony can inform as to beliefs of the accused, or the parties at law, but not as to the law itself. However, judges should not be citing foreign jurisprudence, of a religious bent or of a secular bent, as a guide for interpreting the law itself when considering US cases.
You’re the one who needs to think, and keep your trolling ways out of our genuine disagreements of substance.
VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 7:59pmWhich other ‘religion’ directs it‘s followers to employ violence when necessary to spread it’s faith wherever ‘disbelievers’ are found? (open ended slaughter and slavery until all follow the victors way)
===
Thanks for coming out…
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:01pmPatriotDave
Report Post »Quote from my 6:02Pm post: “We DO need to enforce ALL the laws, not just pick and choose.”
******* fallaciously suggests that since the govt doesn’t enforce ALL laws, we somehow need a new one which will magically do away with all the evil Muslims are capable of.
Are you buying into his logic?
If not, let’s get specific, please: Tell me one bad thing shari‘ah allows that US laws don’t already ban.
Colonel-Burkhalter
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:04pmOh don’t worry Obama will attack Tennessee the way he attacked Arizona when they tried to protect themselves.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:07pmVangrungy
Report Post »You are completely correct that states can constitutionally legislate things the feds can’t. But they shouldn’t legislate belief, because that would destroy everyone’s freedom.
I like your passion and completely agree with you that Islam promotes objectively evil things.
But the way to fight it isn’t by legislation, it‘s the way you’re doing it here on the Blaze.
You educate, you cite specific passages of the Qu’ran, you translate them, you help people understand the nature of its evil IN THE ARENA OF IDEAS, and not in the arena of govt force.
crackerone
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:10pmHappystrechedthin!
Quit pulling it!
Read the post below you.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:14pmLooked again and I can’t keep up with you!
Report Post »13.1
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:47pmAre you insane there are laws on the books? The only laws on the books that are considered by the President and Eric Holder are the ones that the like.
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:01pm@Rogue
Report Post »Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:57pm
exactly. Judges are not supposed to interpret law to take into account individual religous beliefs. If that is the case, I am going to start my own religion that allows for my followers not to pay taxes
Reverend Rouge will are bible be written by Charlie Rangel?
VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:11pmI like to specifically mention the proper way of declaring war.. through the People’s Congress..
government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth… right?
Only if the People choose to ‘not perish’…
Personally, I know it’s going to take decades of murders, rapes, child abuse, to change people’s minds… by then, muslims will be a much larger population…
Just imagine Europe in 25 years… that might wake up the People here..
Will islam dominate? Yes… because we handcuff ourselves by trying to put islam inside the Constitution when islam puts itself outside of it…
What do Americans do to enemies of the Constitution and the People of America?…
I hope people start to consider this paradigm.. because it’s actual reality.. islam is a country, the quran is its constitution, muslims are islam’s citizens… that’s how islam declares itself..
So.. Congress must declare a legal war on America’s enemy… islam..
It’s not a religion.. it’s a total way of life, in hell…
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:18pmIf Judges are not supposed to rule on the legitimacy of any religion, why is this possible?
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/fdocs/docs.fwx?caseno=08-2306&submit=showdkt&yr=08&num=2306
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:28pmNot a legal scholar, but that case looks like one group sued another group (i.e. ASKED for a judge to arbitrate their dispute), because of like-sounding names. This is also not a matter of ruling on legitimacy of religion, but of ruling on establishment of trademarks, copyright entities, etc. If the law requires group names be registered for some purpose, then deciding who has best claim to a given name is within its purview, the nature of the beliefs of the groups so named is not.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:54pmThe 7th didn’t strike down the 66 decision… The Judge found that there is only one way to be bahai..
It’s one thing to rule on long held property, it‘s another to declare a so called universal faith’s symbols and writings as trademarks and copyrighted material in essential perpetuity… free exercise cannot exist if a worshiper will be brought to court to stop unauthorized religious activity…
the 7th only found that the 66 decision was non-binding in this case.. the 66 decision was not struck down though…
Imagine if a large Christian denomination trademarked the cross and copyrighted the bible.. how fast would that be overturned?
“ruling on establishment of trademarks, copyright”
think about that one… why is a ‘religion’ allowed to behave like a corporation?
here is their petition for rehearing, thankfully denied…
http://www.truebahai.info/court/2010-12-07%20NSA%20Petition%20for%20Rehearing.pdf
“The Court of Appeals has denied the NSA’s Petition for Rehearing on December 29, 2010. The deadline for filing a petition for certorari with the U.S. Supreme Court is 90 days.”
I’m just saying.. keep an eye on these guys.. The Universal House of Justice brooks no dissent..
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:12pmRLMeals,
Report Post »I was not claiming that the New Testament is misogynistic. My point had to do with an individual’s belief, even if it was a particularly idiosyncratic interpretation. The judge‘s decision was explicitely based on the man’s religious belief, which he concluded meant the man was not intending to assault his wife, not on any specific legalistic interpretation of anything like Shariah.
Pam Crome
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:01pmBut if Caliphate happens – Sharia WILL be the Law of the Land. Sounds strange – but do a search on Sharia Law in your own state…and then is other states. It is already creeping into government and can prevail based upon “religious freedom”…it is time to take a stand. Actually – it was “time” 10 years ago.
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:09pmWay to go Tennessee!
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Muslim Brotherhood video
Report Post »Happy Killmore
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:26amWhether this stands from a Constitutional point or not, I‘m glad they’re doing it. This let’s our enemies know where Tennessee stands. Against them! I wish ALL states would do the same.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:17amevery state should send the same message to these fruitcakes….
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:24amI disagree with those who say this is Completely unnecessary . These kind of laws are MADE necessary by a Judiciary that holds our Constitution and Laws in contempt as does our current CINC. IF we the people could see manifestation that suggest our Judiciary understands and honors the terms used I could agree. But until/unless the Judiciary begins to defend our Constitution and laws this kind of State
Report Post »action is MADE necessary.When the bloody enemy ceases to insist Shariah law must be obeyed-even in America then such laws will be completely unnecessary.
democratgirl
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 11:12amImpeachment or judgment, American apathy may decide
Attorney General Eric Holder, in announcing the Administration will not defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in court, said, “The president and I have concluded that classifications based on sexual orientation warrant heightened scrutiny and that, as applied to same-sex couples legally married under state law, Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional.” On June 16, 2005, US District Judge Gary L. Taylor ruled that Section 3 of DOMA, excluding same-sex partners from any of the federal benefits available to married opposite-sex couples, does not violate the federal Constitution. On October 10, 2006, the US Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal, leaving the constitutionality of DOMA intact.
Article II Section 1 of the Constitution says of the president’s duties: “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”" The president, therefore, cannot unilaterally or arbitrarily determine that he will decide which laws are constitutional and which laws are not. Article III Section 2 of the Constitution assigns to the Supreme Court “appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”
The Attorney General has implicated the president in unilaterally determining that DOMA is unconstitutional. The president has not denied this, but rather has confirmed it. In a December 18, 2010 news conference, he responded to a question about same sex marriage by ABC news reporter Jake Tapper, saying, “I have friends, I have people who work for me, who are in powerful, strong, long-lasting gay or lesbian unions. And they are extraordinary people, and this is something that means a lot to them and they care deeply about.” The president has determined that the Supreme Court, which decides the constitutionality of America’s laws, is subordinate to his feelings on the most important institution in civil society–marriage.
This is an impeachable offense. Of all that this presidency has done to destroy the very fabric of American life with debt, socialist health care, homosexuals in the military, and so on, the destruction of marriage would have the most lasting impact on families and society. It is a statement unto God who in Leviticus 18:22 said, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.“ Jesus said in Matthew 19 that God ”made them male and female” and in verse 6, “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” God will not be mocked. Americans ought to demand the removal of this leadership on Constitutional grounds of high crimes and misdemeanors–specifically violating the oath of office.
Have a Blessed and Powerful Day!
Report Post »Bill Wilson
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