Texas Gun Dealer Takes Obama’s Reporting Requirements to Court
- Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:38pm by
Buck Sexton
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The Obama administration decided to use Executive Orders back in July to mandate new firearms reporting requirements, but one San Antonio gun store is taking these anti-gun regulations to court.
Alex Hamilton, President of 10 Ring Precision Inc., has brought the suit against acting head of the ATF Ken Mehlman in U.S. District Court in San Antonio, Texas. In describing his reasons behind the lawsuit, Hamilton told the Texas Tribune:
“The whole thing is a waste of time…They don’t need to cause me to do more useless paper work when they have all the tools at their disposal.”
The lawsuit alleges economic losses to Hamiton’s business from both in-state and out-of-state purchasers who will refrain from buying firearms as a result of the infringement upon their privacy from the new reporting requirements. Hamilton also said his attorneys will assert in court that the rule exceeds the agency’s authority because it is not required by current law.
The regulations mandated by existing laws are already sufficient, Hamilton believes, to prevent and identify gun smuggling. There are also concerns about singling out certain states for new requirements, when gun smuggling can involve states far beyond the current range that targets those along the U.S.-Mexico Border.
Alice Tripp, the legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association, raised this issue of arbitrary enforcement with the Tribune:
“So if you’re in Texas you know you’ve got to do it, but if you go some cases 20 miles north, you don’t…like a bad guy wouldn’t go to Oklahoma.”
Indeed, there are concerns that executive fiat from the White House could expand gun regulations in other states as a sets a precedent for executive authority trumping legislative prerogative.
As the Texas Tribune wrote today on the current state of the new regulations in the Lonestar State:
“The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a rule last week requiring licensed firearms dealers to report to the agency any time two or more long rifles are sold to the same buyer within a five-day period…The new requirement specifically pertains to rifles with calibers greater than .22 and capable of holding a detachable clip and that are sold in the four states that border Mexico, including Arizona, California and New Mexico.”
Many in the gun rights community feel the new rules are arbitrary in conception and useless in application. Beyond that, all of this wrangling comes during a time of deepened suspicion between the federal government and the gun owners.
The now-infamous federal gun sting “Operation Fast and Furious” remains under investigation and managers in that operation face serious Congressional scrutiny for allegedly allowing guns to walk across the U.S.-Mexico Border.
Meanwhile, Hamilton’s suit against the federal government is pending in court. The decision in the case could have far-reaching consequences for gun rights well beyond the great state of Texas.



















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TXVET48
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:15pmI hope he can withstand the backlash he’ll receive from the government agencies that will find a way to put him out of business. BHO don’t like no sass.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:23pmIndeed, I hope the courts rule in his favor; the IRS and all the pressure Obama can slam down with will come after him as you indicated. As a matter of fact, do not be suprised if they try to link him to their fiasco farce of a program — the ‘fast and furious’ that should have been called ‘stupid and treason’ by the admin.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:27pmMost – 70% – of guns used by the Mexican drug cartels come from the United States. Some of these dealers have blood on their hands.
TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:37pmYeah, in this case, the delears are the ATF.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:39pm…Or it certainly appears to be based on whistleblower testimony and the lack of cooperation from the DOJ.
Report Post »rot_soldier
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:46pm@JZS – Oh really. You just happen to be an expert on this. I take it you’re the leading authority on gun smuggling out of the US, right? I’m also sure that you believe everything your government tells you. Fact is, most of these weapons come from the Mexican government… either their Army or their police. Now, the government purchases these guns from our government, but they are going to tell you that, because it would hurt their bottom line.
Report Post »What’s that I hear? “Hey Koolaid!” Yeah, it’s time to drink up.
loriann12
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:47pm@JZS
what is it with you liberals refusing to look things up yourself, and only listening to the far left talking points? In less than a minute I found this:
“They reported them promptly, either while the transaction was going on or soon there after. They did this for months and months and months. Went through with the sales because the ATF told them to go through with the sales,” he added.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/101213-gun-dealer-atf-approved-sales-to-mexican-gun-runners
And in case you don’t trust Fox,
It comes as lawmakers are holding hearings into a once-secret government plan to encourage U.S. gun shops to sell thousands of guns to middlemen for Mexican drug cartels.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/15/new_report_us_encouraged_gun_sales
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:56pmNO, Obama, Holder, and ATF have all the blood on their hands.
The gun shops were ordered to comply by the ATF or be shut down.
So what Obama, Holder, and ATF did is commit a crime.
And 2 law enforcement agents were killed because of their crime.
FACT UNDENIED
CASE CLOSED.
jzs
Report Post »Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:27pm
Most – 70% – of guns used by the Mexican drug cartels come from the United States. Some of these dealers have blood on their hands.
rodamaa
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:08pm@JZS
Report Post »Are you nuts? This government is caught in a lie trying to frame small gun dealers and you actually believe that garbage you just said? The number of weapons involved could not possibly come from small dealers. If they had found a way to sell that many guns, well they would no longer be small dealers would they. The ones with blood on their hands is this administration, namely Eric Holder and Barrack Obama.
texanpatriot
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:31pmI have a feeling that Rick Perry will settle and change the gun harassment, err I mean reporting requirement. Both actually…
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:45pm@JZS-
Negative my friend, most guns in Mexico are not coming from the U.S. that fact has been proved. Hillary and her anti-gun crowd spouted the false stats.
Most guns used in Mexican drug wars, come from the Mexican Army and Police. They defected, and took guns with them.
Of the guns that have came from American, many are stolen, and sold on the black market.
When the libs in office could not back up the false gun claims, they put operation gun runner in affect, through the BATF, they had American gun dealers sell guns to head to Mexico. The plan was to stand back, and say “I told you so”, but it backfired with a border agent was killed with one of these guns.
There is also a flow of guns up from South America. If there is a need for guns, people will get them.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:01pm.
Report Post »Can’t get congress to legislate?
Make an executive order.
It’s what a dictator would do.
Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:07pmHey JZS,
All other arguments aside, if some gets beaten to death with a hammer, or has their head removed with a sickle, who actually has the blood on their hands?
The maker, or the distributor of the implements?
Or is it the criminal?
Oh, and by the way, FOX is still broadcasting. Been well over a month now, and it does not look like your prognostication is going to pan out. Sorry.
Report Post »drago
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:11pm@jzs
Report Post »Once again you prove yourself a f-n moron…
rangerp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:32pmJZS might be a liberal, but will give him one thing, he does not just spout a talking point and run off. You can usually get a little argument from him. I think he is in transition, thus the reason he hangs out with us.
Hang in there JZS, we will have you reading the KJV, toting a pistol, singing the National Anthem, and loving the constitution. Wish you lived close by, as I would love to invite you to church.
Report Post »Caniac Steve
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:36pmIt’s all abput Power & Control that’s all washngton DC and the people like the Cass Sunstiens of any 7 all givernment offices/agencies live for crap like this…If i had the money Hell I’d move to Texas..
Report Post »Wayne
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:52pmI wish this man good luck in his battle. but with so many evil judges and our stupid Government he may end up in trouble.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 7:42pm@JZS That‘s tight JZS it was the ATF under the direction of Obama’s boy Eric Holder and it wasn’t the “Mexican Drug Cartel,’ it was the “Haamas Drug Cartel” as in MUSLIM.
Report Post »OhmEye
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 7:45pmBO pretty much says it all.
Report Post »Filthy McNasty
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 9:19pmJZS is what happens when you don’t eat all of your vegetables!
Report Post »megamind
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 10:27pmJZS
70% That is the most absurd thing i have ever heard, try maybe 17%, do us all a favor before you start posting here get the facts first and stop with the MSNBC sound bites……..
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31649
ps your other posts are just as immature, are you in high school? its ok if you are i would think better of you say if you were 15 or 16?
Report Post »WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 10:43pm@JZS Why would they buy “70%” of their guns in the US when Central and South America are awash in cheap, effective, and reliable Soviet arms? For what it costs them to pick up one fully automatic military-grade assault rifle in the US they could buy four or five from south of them. Not to mention RPGs, grenades, and all kinds of goodies left over from the Cold War.
I think the true figure is a lot smaller than 70%, and one has to wonder what percentage of THOSE ended up in MX thanks to BATFE
Report Post »korbin
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 11:25pmJZS You are indeed allowed and encouraged to have your opinion. your quote ” 70% – of guns used by the Mexican drug cartels come from the United States. Some of these dealers have blood on their hands.” What exactly is your point? many of you posting on this comment should consider this. What does a firearm have to do with anything? more people are killed w baseball bats aka assault bats than firearms. Every state that has less stringent firearms laws have less crime. Progressives fail to include facts. Can you or any other ******* just stick with facts? use stats but use all of them, only when they seem to fit your agenda do you use. I almost can’t wait as sick as it sounds for the inevitable economic collapse for which not just Obummer but the previous adminis as well have 100% responsibility for. You and the rest of the anti gun crowd will be in for a rude awakening. try and protect your family and your resources i.e., food shelter and water, with your insane false anti firearms principals and see how far you get. Its coming believe me, and the retards like yourself who continually bring to the forefront any issue firearm related to make it seem like its out of control and your lib wussy limp wrist whining kicks into overdrive to exploit the facts etc, will whole heartily regret it. You are all contributing to a false since of paranoia which will b ur down fall when crap hits. U go ahead wait for 911/gvt for help hahaha. IGNORANCE all of you who blame fir
Report Post »Parnell3rd
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 3:36amyea JZS and the ATF let those guns go into Mexico even after gun shop owners and ATF agents reported this to their supperiors. So your statement is ignorant.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 5:57amHere the best information I could find: somewhere between 36% (twice the FOX estimate) and 90% of guns from the US. Nobody knows for sure but it’s a lot.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/
Really guys, what’s the rule here? If someone buys two AK 47 assault rifles in a one week period they have to be reported? And your objection is? If someone is stocking up on AK 47s, and keeps buying them, what do you imagine they’re for? Target shooting? How many AK 47s do you need for self defence? You guys aren’t stupid, what do you think is happening to most those guns?
Billy, I see your point. Suppose your child dies of a heroine overdose. The drug dealer, naturally, is blameless. They don‘t even know for sure that you’re ever going to even use the drugs. Drugs don’t cause overdoses, people cause overdoses.
Report Post »Loki99
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 6:47amJzs I have been to a lot of gun stores and shows. Most of the ppl there love this country. They obay the laws. They do not like ppl coming across our boarders. The left accuse them of being racist. Whywould they sell to MX? An AR 15 in the US starts at $1000 and goes up fast. You can get ak47 for a fraction of the cost in SA. They have a large caliber, hold more rounds, easer to maintain, and are almost indestructible. 10 yr/old kid are taught to use them all over the world. Why buy guns in he US that are much harder to get and not full auto?
Report Post »If baseball player are facing 30yrs in prison for lieing to congress why is E. Holder not?
Carolina Infidel
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 6:57amJZS
Report Post »1) 70% of statistics are made up on the spot 90% of the time.
2) As someone else said above, American guns are in the hands of the military and police and end up going with them when they switch sides in the drug war. 90% of the police and military are corrupt in 50% of the country(sounds good, don’t it) You can use that one too. If you want you can write, After my research, I find that 50-90% of all Mexican Police and military are corrupted by American gun runners trying to get them to send more drugs.
3) The rigorous requirements and regulations on FFL holders catches many oddities in gun-buying trends. They already track everything, even online purchses from gunbroker.com and gunsAmerica.com.
It would make your head spin, the amount of paperwork involved in just holding someone’s weapon just for repairs. Gun dealers don’t just get to sell guns to whomever. There is plenty of regulation already.
old white guy
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 7:01amshoot the first ***** who comes to shut you down. ignore all of the dictators fiat orders.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 7:21amno new legislation or executive order is needed. All firearms purchased in the U.S. from a FFL dealer are already reported. You fill out that yellow form, the gun dealer calls in for the auto background check. That is reporting. The feds already know you have it.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 7:28amdifferent topic, but all military bases in the U.S. are now requiring anyone who hunts or target shoots to register their firearms with the post provost marshall. A good number of people are upset about it/
We have to do it because of the shooting that happened in Fort Hood, Texas.
It made way to much sence for the leadership of the Army to show that they now have a method in place to check on an service member that may have extreemiest muslim views (no new reporting channels set up for that one). No new checks to see if any of our soldiers are from the middle east, north Africa have radical ties, or are communicating with AQI or other radical muslim groups.
I guess it was easier to target white folks that hunt and shoot. Heck, how would it look if the military started looking for dudes with African decent, muslim education, and anti-American views….. That would put the commander in chief on the bad boy list. How would a thunk it.
Report Post »ComeAndTakeThis
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 7:29amCalifornia Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: “It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors … come from the United States.”
Just the facts – thank you,
– William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that “there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States.”
There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one:
It’s just not true.
In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come#ixzz1WEBA3fsA
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 7:31amjzs… “Most – 70% – of guns used by the Mexican drug cartels come from the United States. Some of these dealers have blood on their hands.”
Your accusations simply are not true. You lie, either willingly, or more likely ignorantly. Most of the weapons come through Central America. Serial numbers were not traceable to the US. You cannot buy the military firearms, and machine guns in quantity here in the US. You cant buy RPG’s and grenades in the US.
As to the weapons that did come from the US most were from small straw purchases, stolen guns, or in large scale with the direction from BHO, Holder, and Napolitano . If you think it doesnt go straight to the top your crazy.
You are right about one thing… “Some of these dealers have blood on their hands.” BHO, Holder, and Napolitano have blood on their hands.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 8:15amSen donation to the Texas State Rifle Association!! (www.TSRA.com) I did.
Report Post »txbigfoot
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 9:09am@JZS your a tool
Report Post »As everyone else has stated your ignorant. And the regs only apply to the SAME seller. So this alleged straw man now goes from shop to shop to buy a single gun. He hires more straws to get guns. Do you also know that the current regs of mandating the purchase of 5 or more handguns has totally multipart paperwork that must go to the local police department. When you contact them, they go we dont know where to have you sent it and we dont want it. I assume the same is here. Total logic-NOT. Grow a brain before posting.
Palidian
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 10:24amJZS, that is the same as blaming stores who sell matches for arson.
Report Post »Muddywood
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 12:00pm@jzs
Report Post »link please
Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 12:08pmJZS REPLEID:
“Billy, I see your point. Suppose your child dies of a heroine overdose. The drug dealer, naturally, is blameless. They don‘t even know for sure that you’re ever going to even use the drugs. Drugs don’t cause overdoses, people cause overdoses”
JZS, you are indeed a moron, and will twist words and meanings in any number of ways to try and suit your cause.
In your scenario above, the drug dealer IS THE CRIMINAL, and the heroine is MERELY THE IMPLEMENT.
A bag of drugs sitting on a table does not kill, until criminal activity takes place.
A mind is a terrible to thing to waste.
Report Post »A liberal mind is a terrible thing.
jzs
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 3:59pmHey Billy. I don‘t think you’re a moron. I‘m not sure you’re thinking very clearly though. You seem to have the idea that gun sellers would stand on their ethics and not sell assault weapons over and over to the same individual if they thought they might be selling those weapons to the bad guys. If it’s all innocent why not report that an individual seems to have an immediate need for lots of assault weapons? Would you be concerned if someone in your neighborhood seemed to buying a whole lot of assault weapons? Would you wonder why a single person needed weapons who have no other purpose except to kill people?
This is not a good hill to take a stand on so to speak. The only people who need lots of assault weapons are either paranoid, or collectors (ha), or people who are going to sell those weapons for a profit (let’s not forget, the drug dealers are solvent, and will pay high prices for guns they can get fast). No, there’s a lot a profits being made on the border states supplying the bad guys with weapons. For sure, the guys buying these guns are not as naive as you are Billy.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 4:15pm@jzs
I love you brother! You got heart, and you have fight in you. I may not agree with many of your stances, but I respect you. You keep it clean, and you do not call names, and you research and come back for more.
I believe there are some gun dealers out there, that will break the law, and sell to just about anyone to make a buck. Same for liquor stores, and other businesses.
Us die hard second ammendment folks may defend and fight to the tooth, because we do not want to lose an inch. We know what the libs are really after. They try to take every inch, because they know that they will never have total control, until they disarm the population.
Keep hooking and jabbing my friend, I am sure we will spar again on another post.
Report Post »paladin8541
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 4:18pmits all about principle….I support him whole heartedly
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 4:47pm@JZS,
Did you notice the first sentence of my first post? Where I said, “All other arguments aside”
My only point was that the person who commits the actual crime has the blood on his hands, not the person or company that makes the item, or sells the item that is used in perpetrating the crime.
You seem to think otherwise.
Many of the cartel victims had their heads cut off, They were not shot. Does the retailer that sold the sharp object have blood on their hands?
And you, once again have completely misunderstood, or are purposely ignoring the underlying point of the article, and used the basic topic, (This time, guns), to spew your leftist talking points.
That does not work here.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 5:09pm@jzs – you drank WAY too much koolaid, dude.
Cite your source, please.
Otherwise, I can only think you are full of CRAP and warn others to ignore you – much as they already do.
For MY statement, I would like to cite:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/
You see, most of the weapons in Mexico HAVE NO SERIAL NUMBERS, and, therefore, are never traced. The ONLY stats we have are on TRACED weapons.
Even THOSE weapons include the THOUSANDS that U.S. Arms manufacturers SELL LEGALLY to the GOVERNMENT of MEXICO, which, in turn loses them into the hands of the drug cartels.
MOST of the weapons, IN FACT, used in Mexican drug gangs, originate in SOUTH AMERICA.
Check your facts before you try to tell a lie about weapons on a conservative site.
You are WAAAAAYY out of your league when you try to pull numbers out of your buttocks regarding weapons when you are posting on a site with so many protectors of our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS.
(Not like your made-up rights to force others to pay for your healthcare, or to take money from others so you don’t have to work, or so you can take money from others and buy food… I’m talking REAL RIGHTS – the ones GOD GAVE US! Like the right to defend ourselves!)
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jzs
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 6:20pmrangerp, thanks, and I like your post. I appreciate your thoughtful response. I’d reflect your comment and say that the right takes a second amendment position that defies common sense in order to not give an inch. This thread is an example: how many AK 47s does a person need? When do you start believe those guns aren’t really helping the country given that they are assault weapons rather than defensive weapons?
“Liberals want to disarm the country?” That’s a slippery slope argument. What liberals want to to “disarm the country?” Can you name one? Liberals don’t want to “disarm the country.” But when you object to any law that would prevent a known terrorist from obtaining assault weapons, I think that maybe you ought to give an inch.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 6:54pm@JZS,
If and when there are ever angry mobs roaming the streets, one might have to “assault” quite a few people to protect their family.
IF a household consisted of 8 people, would 8 AK47″s be too many in your eyes?
Report Post »grumpyt
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 8:23pmIt is time for EVERYONE to stand and say NO the the unconstitutional actions of this administration. States and individuals need to refuse to “obey” these attempts to thwart and skirt the law. God is the source of our freedoms and rights, and we must stand up for ourselves instead of cowering in the corner.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 8:38pm@JZS-
Let me re-word. Socialist and communists like to disarm nations. Hitler (yes, he was a socialist), Mao, Stalin, Castro, Mousilini (howerver you spell his name)…… You can not have socialism and not disarm the people. Most of our modern day democrats are pure socialists now. Clinton wanted to hit hard with new gun control, and it cost him the house in 98. The NRA kicked in high gear.
How many AK-47s do I need? None, I do not find it all that useful. How many ARs do I need? As many as it takes. I need on with a national match free floated barrel, as I shoot EIC matches, Presidents Hundred…. I need one M4 version for the 3-gun shoots. Another with a varmint barrel that I hunt with. It is my choice. The AK-47 sold in America is not full auto, but semi auto. The round is similar ballistically to the 30-30 deer hunting round. If the feds outlaw the AK, what else? What about my semi auto 12 gauge that I duck hunt with. It is a slippery slope when you begin to chose what gets outlawed, and what I can keep. In the right hands, a WWI 1903 Springfield can do just as much damage as an AK.
Teddy Roosevlet started the CMP program, because he knew that a stable of well trained marksman could come in handy in the time of war. It is our right to have military style rifle, and be able to be highly trained with them (re-read that 2nd Ammendment). I am not talking about full auto machine guns, just the modern day battle rifle. Nothing special about that
Report Post »Charley1
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 9:12pmJZS, 70 percent of the TRACEABLE guns come from the US. The traceable guns make up a fairly small percentage of the guns used in drug crimes in Mexico. Somewhere in the 75-80 percent range are untracable, and come from the Mexican military, and other “black” sources.
Report Post »MightyInfantry
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 9:44pm@ JZS
Get your facts straight. 70% of weapons that even had serial numbers that could be tracked back to their origins came from the U.S. If 100 guns were found and 10 had serial numbers only 7 came from the U.S. that leaves 93 that came from other places. Quit spouting your government rhetoric and present an argument based on factual information.
Report Post »OneShotPagan
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 12:51amJZS Troll alert … Dealers have tried to report these purchases and their concerns were set aside by the BATFE … The investigative committee chairmen are now being attacked by the NYT in defense of POTUS(surprise, surprise) … the Mao-Mafia are in a winning position because of the preponderance of the useful ignorant. Automatic weapons come through central America … Fast and Furious was a ploy by the Administration to suggest that our laws were to blame for the arming of Mexican Cartels.
What they want to cover up is the involvement of Federal officials in the Drug Trade and the myths about the arms trade.
An unarmed populace is a nation of slaves.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 1:57am@JZS
You want the name of of one liberal that wants to disarm the country?
How about “WALKWITHME1966” for starters.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 3:03am@jzs
Could you please inform me on the number limit that the second amendment places on firearms? That must have been left out of my copy. If it’s not a problem, send me the wiki link that discusses the people’s right to keep and bear arms up until and not over a quanity of x amount.
Also, it’s been about a month and 10 or so requests but I would still like to know what liberal principles you have applied to your personal life and reaped the benefits. Thanks. As always, if no response I‘ll assume you didn’t see this post, not that your ducking the question.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 12:41pm@SPECKCHASER
Let’s give ole JZS the benefit of a doubt here.
There is the possibility that every time he tried to answer your question, the BLAZE would not let him post, “For some reason”
Report Post »florida123
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 12:59pmYou see the NRA mentioned with the guy……..Odumbo better watch it if he even wants a chance in 2012! God Bless America Where we cling to God and Guns!!!!!! TEA!
Report Post »Anadara
Posted on August 28, 2011 at 11:32pmYeah, No kidding, BHO will send his lying-flying monkey soldiers. Heck, …sounds like skeet!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:54amHey Speck. You ask, “Could you please inform me on the number limit that the second amendment places on firearms?” Funny, the word “firearms” isn’t in my copy either. My copy says, “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Is that what yours says too?
Like much of the Constitution that phrase is subject to interpretation. Does it mean I have the right to have nuclear arms? Should I assert my Second Amendment Constitutional right to possess surface to air missles? Hand grenades? Flame throwers or a bazooka?
Of course not, There are limits that have to be based on reason. If you want to believe that those twenty AK 47s being sold over and over to the same person are for protection of a family of twenty, well, okay.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:31am@jzs
Once again, the BATF already tracks what guns are sold, and to who. If a particular gun store sells twenty AKs to one individual, no special reporting is needed. Every sale requires a background check, and buyer has to fill out the same old form. The BATF tracks this, and has the ability to check on the person doing all the buying.
We do not need new laws on the books, just enforcement of the current ones.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:41pm@JZS
Hi Brother. Cannons fall into your category of off limit arms for civilian’s right? Stupid question…did the militia use cannons? Would they have neglected bazookas and said “we don’t have the right to bear these arms? Don’t accuse me of calling for cannons, just applying your logic.
You’re muddying the water with the missile/grenade non-sense. If people were calling for civilian nukes I’d concede the point, they’re not. You’re tying multiple firearms purchases which YOU deemed unnecessary to unnecessary “arms/bazookas” to ridicule those who do. See rule four in rules for radicals.
You said “limits…based on reason.” Who’s reason? Can I impose my reason on you? Glad you don’t apply that logic to other amendments. I can hear it now. That man with 20 newspapers is excessively using his first amendment and must be up to no good.
What is more dangerous, a law abiding citizen who owns 1,000 AK’s or a repeat domestic abuser with a baseball bat? What is wrong with that citizen owning 1,000 AK’s? Is it necessary, no, but is it necessary for Leno to own 1,000 cars?
If you were victim to home invasion and could choose, would you be armed or unarmed? As one who likes results, why do you suppose gun free cities are the most dangerous in America?
I would like to hear you answers to these questions . Weak enforcement of laws is to blame for crime, not law abiding citizens.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:43pm@RANGERP
God bless you! You and your fellow service men are in my prayers! Thanks for all y’all do.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:15pmWhat? We screwed up and sent thousands of rifles to Mexican gangs? Hey look over there!
Report Post »truth-seeker2020
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:34pmThis is the 3 card monte style of Chicago politics….
Report Post »RA0725
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:12pmSince when did Executive Order become the law of the land? Just another example of Obama usurping the legislative process.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:18pmInteresting to note that the gun shop is in San Antonio and yes I think it is reasonable to report someone buying multiple guns in a 5 day period, particularly those with a clip.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:28pmJROOK, Please explain what a “clip” is for those who may not know.
Report Post »shirelover
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:35pmJROOK – obviously you’ve never been hog hunting in TX, ;-)
Report Post »rot_soldier
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:55pm@jrook – A “clip”…hhaha. Played a litle too much Grand Theft Auto have ya’. It’s not a clip, it’s a magazine and in Texas, we like to purchase our weapons in bulk. As mentioned above, for hog hunting, Christmas presents, etc… We don’t believe in just one weapon in the house, we believe in more the marrier. If you don‘t care for that then don’t buy ‘em. Got it or get, son.
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:57pm@JROOK
I think you are mising one key point. When you buy a rifle it immediately gets checked in the NICS so every weapon sale is recorded. The information is already available to the FBI in their own systems. Run a freaking report as to how many weapons are purched by the same person in a 5 day period…this law is about intimidation and defacto removal of our rights via the lack of a challange to the executive order. If no one opposes it legally then itis accepted as ‘the law’ …opps there went another right.
Also, its not a ‘clip’ its a magazine.
Report Post »Curioso
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:44pmHere is a source that has some interesting facts about this topic.
Report Post »http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth
Filthy McNasty
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 9:22pmA “clip”?? Only the myopic use terms like “clip”. What difference does it make if someone buys more than 1 car in the same time period as a gun?
Report Post »GiantCarp
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 3:05amJROOK,
Report Post »Thanks for your comment. I got a good laugh out of that. Go back and hide under your covers.
Armed Patriot
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 8:17amJRook… I wont make fun of you for your simplistic views like some of these other fellas here. Look at it like this. Say one of my customers, (I am a Firearms Dealer) buys a Remington 700 hunting rifle with a magazine, and a Mini 14 ranch rifle to keep the varmints at bay on his ranch. I need to turn my customer into the DOL like a criminal. Where is your liberty in that?
One more thing… The Second Amendment states… “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand???
Oh BTW… its a magazine not a clip. Only M1 Garands, strippers, and video games have clips. Just couldnt resist. LOL. Have a nice weekend my friend.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 8:18amCorrection… I need to turn my customer into the DOJ like a criminal.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:12pmNo doubt about it. We are going to have to band together not only in this but all laws that the liberal socialists put on our books. That is to say that we need to get the government back and keep it. That’s the only way to keep these guys under control until we can figure out what to do with them. Because if left up to them they would destroy AMERICA as we know and love it.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:40pmI’m not a lawyer (thank God), but does Executive Order go on the books as law? I thought laws were written up and passed in Congress, have to pass the Senate and be signed or vetoed by the President. How does the President skip the first two steps?
Report Post »If he could, then why did they even vote on Obama Care?
el thinko
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:39pm@Anon T. I. You don’t have to be a lawyer, just able to read. The article states that this an executive order,aka a regulation. O’s way of bypassing Congress. He didn’t have to bypass Congress in 2009 when he had a lameduck legislative body to pass obamacare.
Report Post »el thinko
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:11pmClicking on the link in the article will give you all an address and e-mail contact for donations to this worthy cause. Alex Hamilton should not have to bear the burden of defending 2A alone. I’m struggling to avoid forclosure but will be contributing what I can, because this matters. Money where the mouth is, baby!
Report Post »Die Trying
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:10pmthe blaze won’t report this so I will Goshen College in Indiana has banned the national anthem at sporting events. I will be calling Goshen to sing The Star Spangled Banner throughout the day. Please join me. Goshen college can be reached at 574 535 7000 and 800 348 7422
I believe the Blaze is not reporting this because the college is mennonite and the blaze will not acknowlege the abuses of christian churches or organizations.
Report Post »kschmud
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:22pm@DIE TRYING
the did report it early today:
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/
Report Post »Die Trying
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:25pmthank you blaze for putting my posts back up
Report Post »Die Trying
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:27pmthank you kschmud, I stand corrected
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:14pmYou just reported it, and i will also be calling.
Report Post »inferno
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:09pmWhat would happen if a private business payed criminal people to purchase a legal dangerous product in illegal quantity, while encouraging private businesses to sell such products as a method of tracking illegal activity, then when caught doing it would act outraged and prevent the “legal” product from being sold to anyone in any legal quantity ? That is what our DOJ and the ATF did as relates to “Fast and Furious .”
Report Post »U.S. Navy Veteran
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:08pmHmmm. More chicken-crap rules and regulations…
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:14pmThe government simply expects the private sector to do business as if it were a government agency…. and we all know how efficient government agencies are.
Apparently, businesses are expected to spend $3 for every $2 they bring in.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:07pmGood job buddy!
Report Post »El Jefe
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:06pmI use this guy, he lives around the corner from me too. I’ve been dove hunting with him, lol. Go Alex!!!!!
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:09pmAnd I’m sure he appreciates your using him!
Report Post »chazman
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:33pm@EL JEFE
… will you go dove hunting with me?
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 8:17pmHaaaaaa! There is a sucker born every minute.
Hey there little picture smaller than a dime that might be a 300 pound fat woman with warts, or could be a stinky little perverted dude, or even a kid, would you like to go shoot some doves with me??
Pathetic.
This is the Blaze – a conservative news and blog site, were grown folks argue conservative topics, and poke libs in the eye whey thay spout stupid stuff. Go elsewhere.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 8:17pmThere hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it
Report Post »Bowmaster
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:06pmThey MUST demonize firearms if they are to continue their socialist agenda.
Report Post »They are so afraid of conservatives that they must attempt to neuter us.
They KNOW that we will vote to end the destruction of our nation, then when the liberals lose and start their crap, they KNOW we will fight to defend our victory.
Their ONLY chance is to disarm us, and they know it!
EP46
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:19pmYou are right BOW…as I have said before, you must first control the guns before you control the food…then………..
Report Post »Bowmaster
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:29pm10-4
Report Post »They already have half the nation on food stamps, so they are already half way there with the food.
Their conundrum is the guns…….the Tea Party, and free thinkers who align with the T.P. Agenda.
(which does not include them, or their socialist Utopia)
Morris
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:36pmIf “WE THE PEOPLE” Give up our Guns,Dictator Barack Hussein Obama,and his MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD Have won the WAR!(OBAMA AND THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WILL DESTROY OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)!
Report Post »Dictator Barack Hussein Obama and his Mexican-Muslim Loving Administration are going all out to Destroy our Constitution Of the United States Of America,They want to take away our 1-st and 2-nd,AMENDMENTS !
Dictator Barack Hussein Obama our Muslim -in-Chief said that he would do what ever it took to get the GUNS OUT OF OUR AMERICAN HANDS!
“WE THE PEOPLE” Say to Dictator Barack Hussein Obama our Muslim-in -Chief, Take your
EXECEUTIVE ORDERS ON GUN CONTROL AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR A$$,
“GO TO HELL” DICTATOR OBAMA,YOU OR NO OTHER DICTATOR WILL EVER TAKE AWAY
“WE THE PEOPLES” RIGHT AND YOU WILL NEVER DESTROY OUR 2-Nd AMENDMENT!!!!!!
America, It is time that “WE THE PEOPLE” Say that we have had enough of this damn MUSLIM
DICTATOR,LETS START WORKING ON THE
IMPEACHMENT” OF THIS DAMN MUSLIM DICTATOR NOW,LETS SAVE OUR AMERICA!
Dkoonz
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 7:58pmGood news is it won’t be to much longer and we can vote King Obami out.
Report Post »loggs14
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:04pmIs this the official language? “The new requirement specifically pertains to rifles with calibers greater than .22 and capable of holding a detachable clip and that are sold in the four states that border Mexico, including Arizona, California and New Mexico.”
If so this means AR-15 and AK-74 are not part of the reporting…. They are .22 caliber and use a magazine and not a clip…. hello…
This whole thing flies in the face of a republic. Not just about the firearms, this president in name only thinks he can make his own rules on many important issues and our media gives him a pass everytime… sickening… truley unamerican and unpatriotic…. clear violations of the oath, he such a hard time getting right!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:17pmThe AR-15 and AK-74 are most certainly greater than .22 cal. The AK uses a 7.62 x 39 mm which is a .30 cal. They do make a .22 cal AK-47 but it’s nothing like the real thing.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:33pmThe AK is larger than a 22 caliber, it is a .308…The AR-15 is just above. It is a .223, but for all intensive purposes it is a 22 caliber, just as the .308 is a 30 caliber
Report Post »lketchum
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:04pmThe point he was making is the exact language used in the EO reads: “Clip” and NOT/NOT “Magazine”
This is a very important distinction, as neither the AR, or AK platforms use a “Clip” – both are “magazine” fed semi-automatic rifles as sold into the commercial markets.
Also, the AK is not .308, or 7.62 x 51 NATO, it is 7.62 x 39. The bore diameter is the same, but at 39 mm the AK round is much shorter than its 51 mm .308, or 7.62 NATO cousin. There are former East Bloc rounds in 7.62 x 54, appearing in similarly designed/intended rifles (longer range).
Report Post »LCLobo
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:15pmThe AR-15/M-16 use the 5.56/.223, the AK-74 uses the 5.45×39mm which is smaller.
Report Post »Info on AK-74, http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ak-74-e.html .
Info on the AR/M-16, http://world.guns.ru/assault/usa/m16-m16a1-m16a2-m16a3-e.html .
KENYAN_WRECKING_BALL
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:28pmVery good point. The AK-74 and the AR15 are indeed .22 caliber (.223 or NATO 5.56) with alot more “boost” than a standard .22 LR cartridge. They are also centerfire not rimfire. Confusing responses to your point though about AK-47′s. They are NOT .308 they are 7.62X.39. The .308 is about a quarter inch longer than the 7.62. You could send a 7.62 through a .308 but don’t reverse this as the .308 pressure is much higher. Besides, .308 won’t fit in the 7.62 “clip” ha ha ha!
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:22pmKENYAN_WRECKING_BALL
“The .308 is about a quarter inch longer than the”
No, it isn’t….. when you say .308, you’re talking bore diameter. not casing size, which the 7.62 x “insert # here” there are many, many different size .308 caliber rounds…MANY….
the 7.62 round is a .308 caliber round…period…
lketchum
“Also, the AK is not .308, or 7.62 x 51 NATO, it is 7.62 x 39. The bore diameter is the same, but at 39 mm the AK round is much shorter than its 51 mm .308, or 7.62 NATO cousin. ”
Your right and wrong. The bore diameter is the equivalence of stating caliber. If you say it’s a .308 caliber you lump in any round the shoots that size bullet, with making the distinction of casing size…
Again, no it isn’t….7.62 is a .308 caliber round. By claiming a .308 is some size your jumping to a conclusion. The distinction is on caliber, not casing size.
The argument about clip vs. mag is the same as the argument of gun vs weapon vs rifle….
Against a judge, clip vs mag might be an argument you can make, but try doing it when the ATF nocks your door down, it’s not gonna work very well…..
Report Post »Gary Fishaholic
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:04pmI am glad this guy is challenging the changes. so ridiculous.
Report Post »Recursion
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:24pmI agree. I think anything Obama signs that seems ridiculous, 99% of everything he signs, should be challenged. Just like the Obamacare. You would think Justices would start looking more closely at what he signs. It’s sure to be unjust in some form.
Report Post »dadsrootbeer
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:02pmJust another one of Obammy’s laws that will be decided by the courts. Thank goodness we live in a Republic. If we didn’t he would be a full unchecked dictator.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:01pm~v~^~~v~~^~v~^~
Report Post »This might be exactly what is needed to flush Holder and the DOJ out. Maybe in taking them on this guy will get them to open their big arrogant mouth about something on this or divulge who gave the order for Fast & Furious and Gunwalker programs. I know I know we all know the order more of less came from the oval office but we need it captured on audio or video. DOJ, ATF etc are so corrupt and all taking orders from Emperor Obama. I mean he used an executive order to bypass Congress but more importantly to bypass the Constitution and spit in the faces of American all in the name of safety. Thats what they will do, that will be their motto “For Your Protection” Am I the only one who kinda wished that earthquake… err I mean Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves was a doosey? Stop playing their game start playing their game http://SavingtheRepublic.com
Rightallalong
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:57pmI think its imperative that all gun owners support this lawsuit with donations to Mr. Hamilton. If he does not already have a legal defense fund he needs one as I would rather send him some money at this point as opposed to bying more ammo … if OBUMMER has his way they will be reporting all ammo sales and may forbid having more than a box or too at any one time. Slippery slope people…
Report Post »kralspaces
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:13pmI know a gun shop in ABQ New Mexico has also filed legal action against the Feds and I’m sure AZ and CA have or will also. I think all states should support their suits, just like Obamacare.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:55pmMan it just infuriates you when you have to follow laws.
TEA
kralspaces
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:18pmWhat law, please? This was not passed by Congress.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:22pm@MONICNE The United States Congress makes laws, the potus makes ORDERS…saying Do what I say to do and shut up.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:33pmEncinom…Post under one name….
Report Post »MONICEN
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:02pmAll I gotta say is … TEA!
RepubliCorp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 5:05pmDear basement dweller
Report Post »it infuriates you when your mom washes clothes and you cant get to your bed
rangerp
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:10pm@MONICNE
no, it just infuriates libs, when they can not violate the constitution.
TEA?
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:26pmENCINOM > MONICNE > MONICEN? Can’t get any more original?
Report Post »carnifex
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 12:01amGuys the best way to deal with monicene or whatever it/he/she is calling itself this week, is to ignore it. Basically, you have a very insecure person, who’s never had an original thought in its entire life, as shown by the similar screen identities, shouting, “Hey! Look at me!! I matter! Really I do!”. The worst thing you can do to such a creature is to ignore them. They’ll finally get so dispirited they/ll go away, and everyone else can go back to having a good time. So say goodbye to whatever Monice is, cause the one thing we do know about them is that they were a buzzkill.
Report Post »Jim in Houston
Posted on August 27, 2011 at 11:08amOh, hello little troll. It would behoove you to understand the issue before making a comment. That way you won’t look so foolish. This is NOT a law passed by congress, this is an illegal executive order made by the pretend president in direct violation of the second amendment. Go on back to Huff & Puff now. They still miss their idiot.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:53pmThe criminals are in control of this country and doing what they want to do…. How can they be stopped?
Report Post »nannyatnannydotgov
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:57pmYes they are, headed up by the most wanted criminal, Obambam!
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:50pmWe really could tick them off by singing Christian songs and eating fried foods?
Report Post »andyingle08
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:53pmIt is amazing, did the Mexican Cartels pass a background check? Probably, since it would have been handled by government workers.
http://www.andysrantroom.blogspot.com
Report Post »rienheart
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:52pmThere will be NO Justice as long as Eric Holder and His Bump Buddy Obama are in Office. Don’t Expect it. Even the Elections will be a farse. If there are any Elections.
Report Post »MrKnowItAll
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:51pmHow many times must this be said and understood? Bad guy’s will get Guns no matter how much regulations there are. My upbringing in Detroit taught me a few things. So did the Bad Guy’s in Britain. You know the one’s shooting at the cops who have no guns! Stupid is is what stupid does.
geonj
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:49pm“Operation Fast and Furious” was implemented so obama could use the consequence of it to justify this type of executive order that we see in Texas. just one more infringement on the 2nd amendment.
Report Post »King4wd
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 7:49pmExactly! This was the original point of the ATF exercise- to fabricate a supposed need to curtail gun ownership in the US through more stringent gun control laws.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:48pmIt is a shame that something like the 2A has to go to court….especially due to the fact that the wording is CRYSTAL CLEAR what it means …”Right to bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED..”
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:56pmI love Texans. Enough of this unconstitutional BS.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:04pmYou have to remember that this President and admin. do not care about the Constitution they have worked around it and flat out defied it. They will do anything to push the progressive socialist movement to ruin this Nation. We can only hope that we can remove as many as possible in 2012.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:05pmCESSNA, I have to ask, what is your Avatar photo?
Report Post »Docrow
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:06pmDon’t mess with Texas!
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:46pmSo how can it be that Obama can smuggle guns into Mexico, while passing more regulations on Americans at the same time? It boggles the mind!
Report Post »HKS
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:01pmBecause we let him do it and gave him the power to do what ever he wants. Elections are important and we went to sleep.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 4:54pmWe? I didn’t vote for the Kenyan man-child.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 3:40pmGood luck with that. Unfortunately for Mr. Hamilton, his opponent has infinite resources, partially provided by Mr. Hamilton himself.
Report Post »notsofast
Posted on August 26, 2011 at 6:16pmto answer your question about the avatar, it appears to be a small dog stiffing the behind of a larger dog. ‘enlarge it 400 % and you can see it.
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