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The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operation Fast and Furious and Operation Wide Receiver

Ever since the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted in favor of holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt last week, the Left has been conducting a public relations push to downplay operation “Fast and Furious” and convince Americans that the failed gunrunning initiative was actually started under former President George W. Bush under the name “Wide Receiver.”

(Related: New MSNBC Host: ‘I Don’t Really Think’ Fast and Furious Is a Scandal)

(Related: Reason’s Nick Gillespie Blasts Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher Over Fast and Furious Partisanship)

The insinuation is that Fast and Furious is somehow a continuation of the Bush-era operation. The only problem with that theory is that it’s not true.

The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operations Fast and Furious and Wide Receiver

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

Even White House Press Secretary Jay Carney last week attempted to shift the blame from Holder and the Obama administration and onto the Bush administration.

“Everything has been provided to — congressional investigators and that is really the issue, isn’t it? It is how did this operation come about. It originated in a field office during the previous administration. It was ended under this administration by this attorney general,” Carney said during a presser last week.

But even the laziest of fact-checks would prove his assertion wrong.

In no way does that excuse the Bush administration from allowing a poorly-planned operation to proceed. However, the differences between the two operations are stark and should be considered.

(1) First and foremost, operation Wide Receiver did not result in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent or an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer. Fast and Furious did. The guns that ultimately killed Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE officer Jamie Zapata were traced back to straw purchasers related to Fast and Furious. Zapata’s family filed a wrongful death suit against the U.S. Justice Department last week.

The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operations Fast and Furious and Wide Receiver

Border Agent Brian Terry (file)

The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operations Fast and Furious and Wide Receiver

In this undated photo released by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is seen slain ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata. (AP Photo/ICE)

(Related: ‘They’re Lying and They‘re Hiding it’: Parents of Slain Border Agent Brian Terry Speak Out in Rare TV Interview)

Further, officials have confirmed that the guns from Fast and Furious have already killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and Holder has said on the record that they will likely kill many more. The total number of confirmed deaths so far from Wide Receiver: Zero.

(2) Second, Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms, such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.

Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.

However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.

Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

In fact, ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious have previously testified that they were ordered to stand down and not track the weapons even when interdiction was possible and instead “took notes” and let the guns walk across the Mexico border. Watch some of ATF whistleblower John Dodson’s Congressional testimony:

(3) Third, one must take into account the size and scope of the operations.

Speaking to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month, Holder said that “three hundred guns” were allowed to “walk” (although note the difference between “tracing” and “walking” above) in Wide Receiver. While there is no evidence that suggests otherwise, the figure is dwarfed by the approximately 2,000 firearms that walked in Fast and Furious. Roughly 1,400 guns were lost and about 700 have been recovered in Mexico and at crime scenes like the sites of Terry and Zapata’s murders.

The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operations Fast and Furious and Wide Receiver

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder answers questions while testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill June 12, 2012 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

(4) Perhaps the most convincing piece of evidence proving the two operations are separate from each other is the fact that Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007 shortly after it was clear the program was a failure. This was before Obama was even in office and nearly two years before Fast and Furious began.

Fast and Furious wasn’t shut down until late 2010 after the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans, a border agent and an ICE officer.

(5) Finally, unlike Fast and Furious, officials involved in Wide Receiver were reportedly in close contact with Mexican authorities during the operation, though how involved Mexican officials were is not entirely known.

What is known is that Mexican authorities were kept completely in the dark during Fast and Furious, according to the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. Mexico. He announced on June 1, 2012,  that Mexico would be launching its own probe into Fast and Furious.

It should be perfectly clear that both the Bush and Obama administration conducted two separate, flawed operations. One, however, was a much deadlier and larger operation.

If there is evidence of wrongdoing, or false testimony related to operation Wide Receiver, those responsible should be held accountable. But the argument that Fast and Furious is all about “politics” and should just be swept under the rug because the previous administration also carried out a similar program is irresponsible.

A contempt resolution will be considered by the full House of Representatives this week. If lawmakers decide to hold the attorney general in contempt, it will be a first in U.S. history for a sitting attorney general.

Comments (77)

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  • airportengineer
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:28pm

    6th reason
    Bush didn’t orchastrate with an agenda to justify More Gun Laws

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:52pm

      What proof is there that Holder or Obama did either? A few years ago I recall some stir about Obama licensing surplus M1s to come in from Korea, and Holder is said once to have gotten all condescending about people who own guns, saying they might be weaned from it the same way smokers have been weaned from smoking. That’s about the extent of their anti-gun record. This is far from a supposed diabolical plot to walk guns into the hands of Mexican drug lords, hoping against hope that some Americans might be killed (because really, who cares about Mexicans) so as to prepare the ground for an all-out Federal assault on gun rights. People who believe this are in fact too dangerous to be trusted with guns. It’s pretty clear that F&F was an effort to go WR one better, without relying on errant tracking devices, The Mexicans were not informed because, after all, who can trust a Mexican? Stupidity, not malignity.

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    • Stone Cold Truth
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:13pm

      Drako, your speculation as to their motives or lack there of are no more factual than his. Neither of you know that for sure, so your opinion is no less crazy or assumtive. We’ll probably never know despite this supposedly being the “most transparent administration ever.” To be fair to those crazies you’re talking about Obama is on record telling Mrs. Brady, wife of the late James Brady (Brady Bill), that he and his administration are avidly working on gun control “under the radar.” That’s a proovable fact. So, although it’s a jump from A to B I could see why some people may draw that conclusion.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:20pm

      So the evidence suggests that even when a questionable conservative is in charge there seems to be a plan, an evaluation cycle and stoppage procedures if it doesn’t go well. On the other hand…

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:21pm

      Lloyd Drako
      So what was the purpose of F&F?

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:24pm

      Drako let us not forget that around the time of F&F Hillary is telling America that the majority of gun violence in Mexico is from American guns. Her clear goal at the time was to stymie personal gun ownership in the US. She still is trying to sign on to a UN treaty that would effectively lead to the same goal.

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    • claymoremacm
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:28pm

      Fool Drako: Tell me why Obimbat and Holdrace bater would let gun go across the border…..Hummmm……..maybe to cause murder by USA guns and to start to restrict the 2nd ammendent…..“we are working below the radar” as said by Obama,the 1 term fool

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    • doomytram
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:34pm

      Drako, you said, after all who can trust a Mexican? The answer to that question is Obama. Obama trust’s Calderon more than he does Issa rest assured. Remember how much respect Calderon has for our citizens? If not, then it’s less than zero. Ozero is the worst president of the world, and that’s for sure.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:22pm

      The truth speaks for itself, the white house needs to stop using George Bush as their scapegoat for every little thing they screw up , Bush has been out of the white house for 3 1/2 years this is Obama time. Operation wide receiver ended in 2007 while fast and furious started in 2009 and Holder and Obama talk as if it is the same program with no break. Liars. When will the man up and take blame for their actions.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:28am

      DMerwin: “So what was the purpose of F&F?” I’m as mystified as you are. But I will say that if Obama and Holder wanted to engineer a gun-walking operation that would justify an assault on the 2nd Amendment, letting guns walk to Mexico was a strange way to do it. Why not a less roundabout walk, to Detroit or Atlanta? Why not dozens of Americans dead because of assault rifles bought in Arizona, not just two Border Patrol agents whose lives after all were at risk every day?

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  • I.Heart.America
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:28pm

    To Support Issa

    http://action.freedomworks.org/6851/tell-congress-to-investigate-eric-holder/?source=AWEHT2&gclid=CPr8i_zmzbACFcVk7AodlRQ0Wg

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:08pm

    I’ve been noticing for weeks that all the lefties have been trying to impart the impression on the American public that it was Eric Holder who stopped gun running – something started during the Bush Admin., making it look like Holder reigned in the insanity started by the Bush Admin.

    What’s never said/asked is – After the Bush Admin. ended Wide Receiver, in 2007, who authorized Fast & Furious in 2009? This is the question that Darrell Issa wants answered by Eric Holder. It’s fine and dandy that Holder ended F & F, but who authorized it? Was it Holder? If it was Holder, it puts him “ending it” in a different light.

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    • JRook
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:27pm

      Well let’s applaud Jason for his use of nuance. However, the key point is that the former Attorney General under Bush should be called and questioned by Congress regarding the practice in general to provide both historical perspective, progression and potential links between the similar programs. The rests of the ideological garbage here is just that.

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:44pm

      @ JRook

      I would think that if Bush’s AG is called in to testify, it would be extremely embarrassing to the Obama Admin. – seeing that WR was smaller and better operated, with better results than F & F. Besides, the Left’s lie about Holder ending gun running will be exposed.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Presuming that at least some of the career players were the same, ask AG Holder why he tht doing the same kind of program would result in something better?

      Insanity – doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:04pm

      umm….JROOK…no deaths resulted from Wide Receiver. The arms were accounted for. Wide Receiver followed the arms and arrested the guys in possession of them. Fast and Furious allowed the guns to leave ATF surveilance and it was hoped they’d lead to a larger conspiracy of criminals.
      As much of a failure as Wide Receiver was, it didn’t kill anyone nor was it done without the Mexican governments knowledge, nor were the guns lost.
      Just stop it JROOK seriously..just stop being an effing idiot. The only person that needs to be held accountable is Eric Holder. This is why he wouldn’t cooperate with congress, this is why he tried backroom deals with Issa, this is why at the eleventh hour he plead with Obama to exercise executive privilege in a desperate attempt to hide his incompetence. You effing clownshoes.

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    • M13
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:05pm

      Again jrook babbles on and on.

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    • dublinthewagons
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:47pm

      I guess that is why hilery is trying to go thru the UN to ban guns. She doesn’t need a gun for protection.
      UGLY is her preferred choice of weapons.

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    • Dr Vel
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:51am

      It all boils down to what was the purpose. Under Bush they put tracking devices in the guns, followed them and arrested over a thousand people. Under O, no tracking devices and no arrests. Plus many more guns. Why were they being paid for by taxpayers, not tracked, no arrests? What was the valid purpose? No amount of spin can provide justification related to law enforcement because this would require following the guns and making arrests. In short enforcing the law. No new intelligence was gained, all they did was arm killers with U.S. weapons. Clearly an agenda especially if you consider this was going on exactly when Clinton was on a crusade to stop the very thing they were doing. I have no doubt Holders goal was to kill an agent for a purely political agenda. I also believe O ordered Holder to set up an agent which happened to be Terry, for a hit to further their political anti gun agenda. This is how the left thinks and functions, so sad Terry had to die but it was for the greater good. I believe the executive privilege was invoked to cover up just exactly this connection and this agenda. Further, If you look carefully at the details over Terry, no other conclusion can be made other than they wanted a dead U.S. agent found with the smoking gun. Again, what was the reason? No attempt at tracking, no attempt at arrests, no attempt to inform the Mexican government. There can be no other possible reason. We are being governed by evil people straight out of Hell.

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  • Fearless Flyers
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:02pm

    Why is it assumed all the guns ended up in Mexco and the only crmes they were used in within the United States were the murders of Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata. Iswn’t it more likely the cover up is to prevent the people from finding out just how many murders were committed in the U.S. with these guns. 1,000′s of guns, 250 murders in Mexico and only 2 in the United States? What’s the coverup rely about? Isn’t it likely while the left hand says excutive priviledge tricking us to look more closy at the White house, the right hand continues to bury the real evidence of 100′s of murders within the United States?

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    • Plan B
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:11pm

      I am just as concerned about the gun walking in Indiana. These guns were sold to Chicago Gang Members and were to be used against US citizens to promote their anti-gun programs. How many people have been murdered using these guns?? Why did this story pop and then go away?? It is even more frightening to me and we don’t even know how wide spread this was, or if it was limited to to one area of the United States or done in many areas. How many guns were involved ?

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  • cemerius
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:00pm

    Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton put it so well (paraphrasing) “90% of ALL guns used in Mexico are from the US”! ACTUAL FACT: 90% of the 3% of guns recovered that were not traceable that Mexico sent to the USA for verification were from the USA. So this Demon wanted to increase the percentages of American guns in Mexico with his Fast and Furious idea ESPECIALLY since his “people” assured him plausible deniablity in the sense he could “blame Bush” if things went wrong!!!! In the olden times when there was only the three networks spewing crap on TV they would have been successful!!! NOW, these demons in suits shall feel the hell fires of the light of truth!!!

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  • Sue Dohnim
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:57pm

    HYPOCRISY….

    WEDNESDAY, JUNE 16, 1999

    STATEMENT BY DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC H. HOLDER, JR.

    “As most of you know, I have served as a judge, as the chief prosecutor for the District of Columbia, and for the past two years as the Deputy Attorney General of the United States. I know the harm that guns can do – to individuals, to families, and to communities. My concern about easy access to guns in our society is built on my professional experience and the tragedies I have encountered in my work day life. But even more important, I am a father, and I want to be sure that we here in Washington do everything we can — everything in our power — to make our communities, our schools and our nation a safer place for our kids.”…..

    “I don’t know about you, but I sure wouldn’t want to have to tell the parent of a child lost to gun violence that the purchaser of the gun used in the crime could have been stopped from buying the gun — if only law enforcement had had another day to pull their record — “….

    “This is not about politics — partisan or otherwise. And this should not be about narrow, misguided special interests. This is about public safety and our children. I call upon those Members in the House to talk to the families that have been ripped apart by violence and to reflect on the opportunity they now have to stop other families from experiencing similar tragedies.”….

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1999/June/257dag.htm

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  • hardworkingconservative
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:46pm

    Republicans in congress have to ignore all the crap about this being politics and press ahead with a contempt vote. Congress will never win the publicity war in the MSM. Just do your jobs dammit!

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  • turkey13
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:41pm

    This is what you get when people are selected for a position of power like this. That person is picked on how well he sniffs and brownnoses. When a person has a brown or white racing strip on each side of his nose always beware.

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  • Pedro
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:38pm

    Why do Democrats seem to think that just saying–the republicans did it first–removes all of their guilt? They look like a bunch of six year old kids saying: John did it first. Whats the reason for EP? Is Obama trying to cover for the Bush Administration? See how that sounds? It just doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Of course there is nothing about this Administration that smell of the truth.

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  • heeltar
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:34pm

    The biggest difference Operation wide receiver actually targeted real criminals, ff was targeting legal gun shop owners and our 2nd amendment rights

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  • boca_chica
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:32pm

    I have learned in government and the corporate world that usually the first rumor is usually the true situation-the first rumor out of F&F was they wanted to demand more controls on the sale of guns to U. S. citizens( remember when they said most of the guns used by the cartels ( found stockpiles by Mexican law enforcement) where from the U.S.? Then it was found that only 20% where from the U.S.? This is our own government putting a knife in our back.

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  • laserblast92
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:30pm

    Up until this operation exposed the guns that were recovered were going to be used as evidence to prosecute gun store owners and enforce stricter gun laws. What makes this sickening is, it took someones life to recover a gun and they knew it.

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  • T-2
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:26pm

    the latest argument from the left is “see Bush did it first see see…”

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:56pm

      Wide Receiver attempted to track guns which makes sense. F&F just gave them away to violent criminals, which makes absolutely no sense…unless you want to create outrage over gun violence in order to crack down on gun sales and ownership in the U.S.

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  • PastorJCM
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:23pm

    I understand that ‘Wide-Receiver’ was centered out of 1 city; whereas, ‘Fast and Furious’ was operated out of 9 cities.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:34pm

      And don’t forget that OWR was being run by people trying to put heat on gun runners and drug kingpins, where F&F was intended to put heat on gun store owners and the guns themselves.

      Remember what the Left was saying all throughout the last decade to make a case for stricter gun laws: American guns are being bought here and are making their way across the border to kill Mexicans.

      So then they put together a program that did exactly that?! Sorry, the “coincidence” is just too great.

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  • chazmo
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:19pm

    Obama knows if you tell a lie enough times without any rebuttal from the Leftist butt kissing media it will become the truth. All you lefty hacks wanna spin this one? Are you ok with Bush and Obama sending guns to Mexico with the potential to kill? And in Obama’s case it did.

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  • jackact
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:18pm

    Yes, Bush cleared It with the Mexican government in advance
    And the Chicago Ivy League Thug Maffia were out to assault the 2nd Amendment no matter the costs (over 200 dead) with no paper trail or prior notification.
    That is how Obama rolls

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Obama needed bodies to sell the UN gun ban treaty ……. and La Raza / MS13 will back Obama. What are few hundred Mexican among friends?

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:17pm

    I have difficulty discerning a Progressive Program from a Socialst Program… or one Mexican Presential Policy from another. To me… Plots to do Actions that are Against the Law are All Criminal Activity… good cause or not!

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    • chazmo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:52pm

      Exactly.. the Means doesn’t justify the Ends

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  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:12pm

    So are Holder and Obama obstructing justice? Would it be the first time for these charming individuals to do such a thing? It aint rocket science…..

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  • HKS
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:11pm

    Watching Carney lie his way through this stuff should be a Saturday night live skit. Funny, very funny.

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    • HKS
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:16pm

      Wait, maybe it is a Saturday Night Live skit. While Holder looks to brainwash folks about guns you see.

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  • QC Ghost
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Pray for Arizona as Obama scrubbs one star from our Flag. Also, will Romney know how to get urine off our Constution?

    http://www.qcghost.blogspot.com

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  • Fatheroftwo
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Reminds me of a Three Stogies episode, Duck, Dodge, Hide!!!!

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  • thop1960
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:04pm

    I love how these democratic hacks go around spreading the lie that F&F was an extension of WR and started under the Bush administration (Bob Beckel etc). They are all lairs. Makes you wonder how they sleep at night. The American people need to wake up, they need to be told the truth, forcibly if necessary. We need to stop taking the democratic crap and stand up. We have let them dictate the conversation and the argument too long. The truth must prevail or we are doomed. Simple as that…

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    • Gorp
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:23pm

      @THOP1960:

      I think we/they are waking up. The only thing I worry about is how much waking up there will be by election time. I‘ve tried to wake up my sister but it hasn’t done any good. I guess there are actually some who don’t let the facts get in the way of their thinking.

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    • chazmo
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:55pm

      @Gorp.. Here’s a test.. if you have Facebook put this article on there. You’ll see just how many crickets are out there…

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:03pm

    Hold Holder in contempt and bring Obama and the rest involved in the admin to justice for their crimes; this must be rooted out completely and dealt with once and for all. I will not be suprised at all to see that the admin has been shipping the arms to the cartels AND the terror bands of Hamas and Hezbollah that work with them.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:15pm

      Agree .. this is just the tip I suspect .. any means for the end. If this were a Republican Administration the MSM would be calling for heads .. instead crickets. Nixon must be spinning in his grave.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:43pm

      @CatB: either that or laughing from beyond saying “And they said I was bad!”

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:46pm

      Who should really be laughing is Carter .. .”hey I’m not the worst President EVER anymore”!

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  • contkmi
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:00pm

    Great info, but anyone who doesn’t have an agenda already knew this stuff. Those who ignore it are either hiding something or trying to blame current administration screwups on a past administration.

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    • Popp40
      Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:09pm

      I believe it was 1996 when Holder was an Attorney in Washington….he told a bunch of Democratic Women that they needed to brainwash people against guns…….Really you don’t even have to see to connect the dots on this one!

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:39am

      POPP40, Holder was the Deputy Attorney General at that time under AG Janet Reno.

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:59pm

    Is Eric’s nose growing?

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