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The Blaze Goes Inside an Atheist Training Session: ‘We’re Going to Invade Capitol Hill’

Secular Coalition Hosts National Lobbying Day for Atheists in Washington, D.C.On Wednesday, we told you that atheists were planning to “flood” Capitol Hill in an effort to engage politicians on the secular issues that are important to them. Well — the day of reckoning has arrived.

Today, more than 200 non-believers are assembling to speak with House and Senate offices about issues of “non-theism.“ But before they ”flooded” congressional offices, the Secular Coalition for America held a training session to provide attendees with viable tools and information about lobbying. The Blaze was on-site in Washington, D.C., to go through the training along with non-believers from across America.

“Jesus loves!, Amanda Knief, event emcee and government relations manager for the Secular Coalition said into the mic to grab attention at the start of the event. Predictably, she was met with some playful boos from the audience. A few minutes later she joked again: “Jesus lives — and be quiet.”

(Related: Hundreds of Lobbying Atheists Prepare to ‘Flood’ Capitol Hill On Friday)

“We are going to invade Capitol Hill this afternoon – because of you we have 166 meetings with Congressional staff members,” Knief told attendees. “Eighty Republican staff members have agreed to meet with you — and 86 Democrats.”

 

Knief went on to tell the coalition of non-believers that congressional staff don’t know “what’s going to hit them.” That being said, she encouraged participants to “be very gracious” to the offices and individuals willing to meet with them. Also, she emphasized that the Secular Coalition doesn‘t endorse parties and that it doesn’t necessarily support Democrats or Republicans.

Then, she delved into the basics of lobbying. Starting at it’s most basic definition — “lobbying is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in the government, most often legislatures or members of regulatory agencies” — she educated the audience about ways in which they can hold influence over politicians.

“We’re going to talk about how we communicate about living as a non-theist in America,” she explained.

Krief also cautioned that there may be a bit of a cultural shock for Capitol Hill staffers who have never encountered a non-believer.

“You will probably be the first people that some of these staffers meet who say to them ‘I’m an atheist,’” Knief cautioned. “You may not get the reaction you’re hoping for…and that’s okay. You need to understand that they may be uncomfortable.”

In dealing with staffers and others who may disagree with a secular agenda, she stressed the need to find areas of agreement. Knief also encouraged atheists not to “fire back” when Christians engage with them during the Reason Rally on Saturday.

Secular Coalition Hosts National Lobbying Day for Atheists in Washington, D.C.

“Finding common ground is really important. Even someone who is diametrically opposed to helping non-theists – find something in common,” Knief urged. “Once you have established a common ground it’s much easier to approach them later on about contentious issues.”

She said that everyone should take “the high road – not the heavenly road,” receiving some laughs from audience members. For Knief, it’s all about advocating for or against “anything that has to do with religious liberty.”

Rather than encouraging intense debate during today’s lobbying activities — which were scheduled for Friday afternoon following the training — Knief encouraged a peaceful approach. She offered this advice for any individual who might encounter religious government staffers: ”It’s hard, but just maintain your composure. If you feel the need to leave the meeting early, thank them for their time…tell them you’ll be late for another appointment and leave. It’s okay. Just don’t lose your composure.”

There were eight elements the Secular Coalition stressed to participants in order to have a successful lobbying effort:

  • Be nice to the gatekeeper
  • Introduce yourself and others
  • Thank the staffer/official for something, even if unrelated
  • Make friends with the staffer or official by focusing on hometown, hobbies, etc.
  • Ask for the official’s position on your issue
  • Request action
  • Maintain composure
  • Follow-up with a thank you note

One of the big issues the group encouraged participants to take on was the contraceptive mandate. Rather than siding with churches who maintain that accommodations are necessity in order to protect conscience, Knief railed against such a notion.

“Our position is to talk about the fact that religious liberty lies with the individual…by allowing organizations, entities in charge of such groups making choices based on religious dogma…they are depriving the individuals of making their own personal choices about what’s right for them…by not giving them choice, you’re taking away their religious liberty,” she alleged.

In addition to meeting with congressional members, Knief encouraged advocating at the local level by holding rallies, writing letters, speaking out on local issues and getting endorsements from relevant parties. In the end, she told non-believers it’s essential that they come together.

“If we could collect…we’d have the same political power as the AARP,” she said, invoking the fact that, collectively, they account for 16 percent of the nation. “By having a secular government – not a non-theistic government — everyone’s rights to religious freedom are protected.”

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  • momrules
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:57pm

    It is amazing that they go to all this trouble to argue about a God they don’t believe in. I pray for nonbelievers but I don’t argue with them until they try to take my rights way.
    They will all eventually believe in God.

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:01pm

      But you have no problem taking away their rights based on your God, amirite?

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    • momrules
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:11pm

      derpina……….I bet you are just as cute as a button and smart too.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:13pm

      There is but one God. He is the God of Truth and Justice. He is the basis of all creation. That, you will never take away for the is the Alpha and Omega. He says to have no other gods before Him. That small voice inside you will tell you this is The Truth. He gives everyone a chance and if you do not take yours, it is on you.

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:18pm

      The small voice inside me is saying “you really shouldn’t have had jalapenos at lunch”.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

      @BlackyB: I own my own sins and am responsible for my own actions.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:28pm

      And what rights would those be? Since atheist don‘t’ believe in the God who gives the rights, rights are then subject to the whims of men or governments. Government is within their “right” to grnat or remove any “right” by whatever reasoning they see fit.

      There is a reason why it is important to declare that rights are given by God and that God is given sovereignty. Without God there are no rights – only privileges meted out by the whims of rulers.

      What gives man equality with all other men is recognizing there is a Supreme Authority and that the Supreme Authority is not another man

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    • Obama Snake Oil Co
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:29pm

      So they want to force their non belief on us which is their religion; http://firstchurchofatheism.com/ So aren’t they forcing their views on us? So they think the solution is if they don’t believe in god, then they are taking us with them where they are going?

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    • Kaoscontrol
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:36pm

      I’m with you “MOMRULES”. Like most adults, I don’t believe in Santa Claus… but I don’t spend any time running around obnoxiously trying to convince children that they are stupid if they believe in him. Why do these atheist feel the need to treat believers with such contempt? It must be they are afraid we might be right and they’ll need to face their maker at some point.

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:38pm

      Maybe God should get busy finding food for starving children, freeing the tortured and the violated, and get to the business of smiting the people who cause the suffering of others. He’s getting awfully lazy on the smiting.

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    • Re-Founding Sons
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:40pm

      @Deprina
      What rights are you referring to that he and his God take away from you or them?
      I think you missed his point.
      Atheists actively lobby against religion. Religious people are NOT actively lobbying against atheists. Just leave us and the way the country was set up ALONE. Be a non-believer all you want, but believe this my friend, if you strive to erase religion from the USA, and succeed, you will not like the results.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:41pm

      @Derpina: Those are the sinners. Screw them.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:46pm

      @REFOUNDING: Are you an advocate of prayer in public schools. Do you support posting the Ten Commandments in public court houses. Would you be in favor of building a creche in front of a public library. There are people that lobby for these and many other things. Personally I don‘t care if they allow those things are not but to say Christians don’t lobby is disingenuous.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:50pm

      @kaydeebeau,

      Good point! Very true… rights from God can’t be taken away. That’s why these COMMUNIST/Atheists want God removed, so they can make the final rules! If they don’t want to believe in God, that is fine however, the Constitution and heritage of this country are Biblical values. Stop trying to change this country’s heritage. Go to the middle East or anywhere else and see what happens when you “buck” their heritage!

      BTW, all you Humanist/Atheists… guess how many people have died under Humanist/Atheist regimes in less than 100 years? Over 250,000,000!!! Wow, and Christians/God are/is the concern? Mao, Hitler, Chavez, Stalin, Lenin, etc, etc, etc…all promised “rights” and “anti God” rules. Atheism/Humanism NEVER… NEVER ends well!!

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    • nonnegotiable
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Derpina, explain how theists are trying to take away the rights of atheists?

      Listen up, because here’s the truth. If this nation wasn’t founded on Judeo-Christian principles, then you and other atheists would have no right to express your opinion about anything, much less the existence or non-existence of God.

      The fact that we are allowed to practice or not practice religion in our society is a freedom and right that is afforded to us by God Himself – and the founders embraced that. The God in which you do not believe, is a God of love. In fact, He is love. True love does not constrain someone to the bondage of belief or disbelief. It allows the one being loved to believe and promote whatever they choose, but live with the consequences. When a person is truly loved, they are free to accept that love or reject it. You obviously reject it, but if we lived in a nation that was founded by atheists, there would be no free practice of religion – just laws against it! Atheists have to grow a thicker skin or start converting, because Christianity and theism is not going to go away….at least not without a fight!

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    • cessna152
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:53pm

      @derpina,

      All your questions and concerns are answered in the Bible. Regarding “unfairness”, here is a short read:

      Job is portrayed as a wealthy man of upright character who loves God. Yet God allows Satan to destroy his flocks, his possessions, his children, and his health. Job refuses to give up on God, even though he does not understand why this is happening to him. We, too, must trust God when we do not understand the difficulties we face.
      As we read the book of Job, we have information that the characters of the story do not. Job, the main character of the book, lost all he had through no fault of his own. As he struggled to understand why all this was happening to him, it became clear that he was not meant to know the reasons. He would have to face life with the answers and explanations held back. Only then would his faith fully develop.
      We must experience life as Job did—one day at a time and without complete answers to all of life’s questions. Will we, like Job, trust God no matter what? Or will we give in to the temptation to say that God doesn’t really care?

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Really? You REALLY don’t think that the religious right is doing their damndest to push a moral agenda based on their limited view of God and religion? So fighting to control women’s bodies, take away access to birth control, and prohibiting gay marriage is not legislating by religion? Do you actually pay attention to what is happening in state legislatures? Or the platforms of the presidential candidates?

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:05pm

      http://familyfoundation.org/
      http://www.frc.org/
      http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues.aspx

      Just a few…

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:18pm

      who is taking away their rights? they got just as much right to believe in nothing as we got to believe in God. we are not trying to drive their crap out of government leave our alone too. you got no right to take away my rights to believe in God. this nation was founded by Christians. if you don’t like it here your free to get the hell out. but you do not have a right to take away our rights. like the right to have the 10 commandments on the court house steps. your free to leave but you are not free to violate my rights.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:20pm

      So by your own admission you are advocating for an immoral agenda? No one is trying to ban your ability to buy birth control, no one is telling you what you can or can’t do with your body,

      So the “moral thing” is telling you what you cannot do to the body of another person – who just happens to temporarily reside within another body for a time. Then it would follow that the opposite would be immoral – that for which you advocate

      So the “moral thing” is saying that only one man and one woman can marry. Then the opposite would be immoral – the position for which you advocate

      Contraty to popular belief, there is only binary choice – true or false – right or wrong.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:25pm

      derpina your are free to keep your legs closed you are not free to make me pay for your being a slut. you wanna screw around pay for your own pills. don’t try to make it your right to make me pay for you. my money is not your to take. i got some lead you can have that i got for all those who try to take from me. that’s the only thing i got to give you.

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    • nonnegotiable
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:34pm

      Derpina,

      “Really? You REALLY don’t think that the religious right is doing their damndest to push a moral agenda based on their limited view of God and religion? So fighting to control women’s bodies, take away access to birth control, and prohibiting gay marriage is not legislating by religion?”

      As I mentioned, our nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles. Among them are the right to life, and the fact that homosexuality, as viewed by God Himself, is an abomination. There is no fight to “control women’s bodies“ or ”take away access to birth control”. You’re probably a feminist and have been reading too much from the left-wing websites and MSNBC.

      If your reference to “control women’s bodies” is an indirect reference to the pro-life movement, more than half of all Americans regard life as beginning at the time of conception. Many more believe that unwanted pregnancy is something that can mostly be avoided by birth control or abstinence. Of course, that would require personal responsibility, a concept that far-left liberals like yourself don’t warm up to.

      The birth control issue is a non-issue drummed up by the DNC because of the religious backlash from legislation that required Catholic institutions to provide it. In other words, it’s a canard.

      The issue of gay marriage affects the institution of marriage, which the majority of Americans regard as sacred and Divine.

      Looks like you’re 0 for 4 on this board.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:41pm

      and by the way – there is a Supreme Authority on what is right or wrong – moral or immoral – true or false – that Authorty is not a person or the opinion of a person.

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    • Derpina
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:41pm

      Being 0 for 4 on this website is a badge of honor.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:46pm

      Why should I care that 200 Atheists want to practice their US Constitutional lobbying rights? Even if there were 2,000 American citizens whining before Congressional Staffers, it would not deter a single professional politician from keeping their eye on the Corporatist money bags.

      TEA

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    • Taldren
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:56pm

      @Derpina: “So fighting to control women’s bodies”
      So the non-religious are the ones fighting against the rights of the unborn? Makes sense. I often thought it strange that the idiots who cry for Wall-E to live at the end of the movie don’t even blink an eyelash at the idea of an abortion.
      “take away access to birth control”
      Out right lie. We just don’t want to PAY for YOUR birth control. Access it all you want with your own money.
      “prohibiting gay marriage is not legislating by religion?”
      Why should the church be force to endorse something it doesn’t believe in. No one had problems with Civil Unions, it wasn’t until they tried to force the church to recognize them that this became the issue. Common liberal tactic, turn the argument against the victim.

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    • momrules
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 6:24pm

      DUMPSTERBABY………You said ” I own my own sins and am responsible for my own actions.” I thought you did not believe in God so how can you sin? Look up the definition of sin if you are unsure of the word’s meaning.
      Have you just derped?

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 7:13pm

      This is just another massive hypocrisy from the “TOLERANT” Left-wing. They say “SCIENCE and PROOF” but what they’re really saying is “I’m smart and if you disagree with me, you’re not.” I’m an atheist, but I would NEVER join one of their “intolerance and hate” groups – and that’s all these people really are. Although I’m an atheist, I believe in the right of any American to practice their religions and I have no problem with a religious President even if he wants to say prayers on television or pray for me or anyone they see as misguided. It’s harmless. There is no “war on women.” That is one of the stupidest things I‘ve heard from the Liberals and I’ve heard sooo many.

      Sorry to the atheist zealots, but this guy… he doesn‘t look like he’s on par with Einstein; listening to him, he sounds as though his IQ is actually below average! He’s nothing but a promoter of hate and intolerance – period.

      As an atheist myself, why would I even care whether someone believes or not? I don’t. I don’t judge people on their religion, but by their words, behaviors, and actions… their character as Martin Luther King said.

      What is a bigotry? Oh yes… the intolerance of differing creeds and beliefs. If I look up ‘bigot’ in the dictionary, will I see this guy’s photo… or possibly one of the Leftist trolls?

      By the way, taking what rights away based on God? Free birth control? Not a right. Use your own money and buy a condom, Liberal parasite

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 7:17pm

      @ Deprina – so whose moral standard are we supposed to follow? Yours? Obama’s? Some other person? What makes that a standard? To be a standard it must be true for all people all the time – not subject to change or situational intepretation – for then it would no longer be a standard but rather a temporary suggestion.

      The Author of Morality already wrote the Book we are to use as the standard. Try as many might, God doesn‘t play let’s make a deal – He says this is the deal. We are free to choose to accept the deal or not and accept the consequences of that choice.

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    • KevINtampa
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 7:29pm

      “Our position is to talk about the fact that religious liberty lies with the individual…by allowing organizations, entities in charge of such groups making choices based on religious dogma…they are depriving the individuals of making their own personal choices about what’s right for them…by not giving them choice, you’re taking away their religious liberty,” she alleged.

      No, they most certainly are not taking your liberty. These individuals still have the individual liberty to work somewhere else that doesn’t find the prevention of life morally wrong. If you don’t agree with the beliefs of where you work, don’t accept the position and leave. It really is that simple.

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    • 777phase
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 10:41pm

      All of them will believe in God…………………………….It’s just a matter of time.

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    • Onowicit
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 11:33pm

      @Derpina
      remember its the men who believed in God that fought and died for the luxurious rights that you exploit to mock his believers. His believers new there would be people like you but they believed more in the women like MOMRULES. There is no doubt in my mind that she would fight for your rights and even die for that cause, But there is no doubt in my mind that people like you would let her.

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    • Drives Like Jehu
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 2:10am

      Life is short; eternity is forever. May their immortal souls be saved by their “science” and “proof”.

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    • voodoolife
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 2:35am

      @ Derpina: When you cash that Soros check, I hope you feel good. Maybe God should get busy finding food for starving children? Maybe you should get busy helping those children! You spit on God, yet, you want the Government to BE God… I’m Agnostic, so shut up. You can’t go there. But I do my best to help those in need, and I don’t point my finger at God, nor do I worship a check… You do both, have a nice day…

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    • teapartybellringer
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 6:56am

      Not sure who said it, but I think it’s more then just an expression, these days–one of the best tricks the Devil ever pulled, was to get people to believe he doesn’t exist. Very sad for those unbelievers, I too pray, for those that have replaced the bedrock foundation of Juedeo-Christian principles, with the foundation of sand of ever shifting moral relativism, and secular progressivism, very sad indeed.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 9:51am

      @momrules & Kaydeebeau

      Well said! God bless!

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    • Aquinas
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 10:41am

      They believe in science do they? They had better take a closer look at it. Absolutely nothing science has been claiming in the last 250 years is true on the Cosmological Principle to Global Warming/Cooling. Science today is driven by money and hubris, period. I think they better hitch up to another star, for they will be too very shocked at death to know they were wrong on everything.

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    • Xyskalla
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 11:15am

      @Shiroi Raion You’re a rare breed. I‘ve never met or heard an atheist who wasn’t bitter before. Thank you for talking some sense :)

      @ Derpina Here’s the difference: You have no foundation for your beliefs. There’s no authoritative source for what atheists should believe or how atheists should live, it’s only a matter of individual preferences. Now I’m all for individual preferences, but I as a Christian have an Authority over me that automatically trumps any preferences, my own included.

      If I prayed, you can just stand by, keep silent for a minute, think about that book you‘re reading or last night’s ball game, then go on to the business at hand when I’m done. But if you tell me not to pray, that’s not even an option, because I am under authority and I’m obligated. If you threaten to throw me in the lion’s den for praying, it will only cause me to pray more. If you put a gun to my head and threaten to pull the trigger, it will only cause me to pray. That’s how non-negotiable it is for me. If someone puts a gun to your head, it won’t hurt anything for you to say, “Maybe it’s okay if I just keep quiet while they pray” because you’re not violating any kind of set atheist standard that binds you. I have something that binds me that is more valuable and important than my own life.

      Please try to understand that we’re not trying to force anything on you. Following Christ is a matter of the heart and can’t be forced. But there are limits on what we can b

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    • Leader1776
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 11:17am

      @Derpina and Dumpster (same person?)
      First, please read the Constitution and the portions about religion before attempting your argument. There is nothing about a separation of church and state. That is an oft stated erroneous attribution to the Constitution.

      If you’re not followers of the Constitution, then the situation changes: (1) where is your issue of separation originating from; or (2) your argument has no merit as the country was founded on the Constitution.

      Regarding the peddling of religious principles/ideas/agenda: Those with religious beliefs have as much right to promote that concept as atheists do their concept. Both side base their beliefs on faith as there is no proof for either side. Saying you‘re on the side of reason or science is tremendously flawed as you cannot reason or prove through data there isn’t a God. It is your belief. Yet you wish to impose that belief on the vast majority of the citizenry. Last time I checked we live in a democratic republic. Not all views can (nor should) be honored at the same level. The important lesson here is the atheist will still be able to ‘believe’ in their ideals without the fear of reprisal. Your statements to converse, you know, are ploys.

      Funny thing about atheists ………. they claim humanism until they run up against someone that doesn’t agree with them. Then out comes the hatred, name calling, and all hell breaks loose (sorry, couldn’t resist ;-)

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    • Xyskalla
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 11:37am

      Argh! It looks like the end of my post was cut off, even though it said I still had 3 characters remaining :(

      The last paragraph was supposed to read like this:

      “Please try to understand that we’re not trying to force anything on you. Following Christ is a matter of the heart and can’t be forced. But there are limits on what we can be told to do or not do.”

      Sorry about that

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    • Xyskalla
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @Aquinas Science gets a lot of things right (after a lot of trial and error). These computers we’re using prove that science gets a lot of things right.

      But science doesn‘t even address the issue of whether there’s a God. He is outside the sphere of what can be addressed by science. God can be neither proven nor disproved by repeatable experiments. The problem comes when some scientists confuse their philosophy with science. A scientist might think that the implication of modern science is that there is no God, but it’s actually a huge philosophical leap that takes them from “we can explain the mechanics of the origin of life” to “there is no God”. Thus the issue of atheism has no place in science, and any scientist who says otherwise is a bad scientist for promoting philosophy as science.

      Ironically, their own philosophy (that nothing is worth knowing or believing in if it can’t be scientifically validated) is a self-contradiction since the philosophy itself can’t be scientifically verified. It boggles my mind that they don’t see the obvious contradiction. Even their day-to-day existence would change drastically if they actually lived what they promote. I love my wife, that’s why I married her, but you can’t prove that in a lab. They claim that if it can‘t be verified in a lab it’s either untrue or not worth knowing or believing in, but they don’t actually live like they believe it. They’re very selective about how they apply their philosophy.

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    • ValiantDefender
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 7:13pm

      Derpina seems like a bitter and angry person.

      I’ve gone and posted on the huffington post before. I read the comments there and I’ll tell you…those guys are just as mean spirited, angry and hateful as the worst people I’ve ever met. There’s a pretty large following on the blaze that seems decent – albeit, rather upset – in how they deal with the Destruction of the USA by BHO.

      Derpina, if we aren’t to follow the bible, because it endorses slavery (not really), then whose are we to follow? Aristotle and Plato? They had slaves and believed in genocide!

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    • Tandem2011
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 10:08pm

      Atheists feel as strongly as religious folks that offensive beliefs should not be opposed on them. But where either side gets it wrong is whenever they think they’re right and everybody else is wrong. Atheists cannot DISPROVE a God any more than religious believers can PROVE a God. It’s arrogance to claim objective proof of either. The existence of non-existence or the non-existence of existence is the silly argument that this always boils down to.

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    • Gorp
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:15am

      @Dirpena:
      “The small voice inside me is saying “you really shouldn’t have had jalapenos at lunch”

      AND that loud voice will tell you, “They sure tasted good going in but burns like HECK coming out! Honey! Where’s the Preparation H?” I said HECK because I didn’t think HELL would be allowed.

      I consider myself a “Smurftheist” I don’t really believe that Smurfs really exist, but I don’t try to persuade anybody else to believe the way I do. If they really do exist I will find out during the Second Coming of Papa Smurf. Then I will be a believer.

      That being said. I do believe in God, while I guess you do not. I don’t care what you believe either way. I’m not going to try to push my beliefs onto you or anybody else. My belief is a faith thing. If I am wrong and there is no God who does it hurt? NOBODY! Believing in God gives me a path to follow to try to be a better human being. If when I die I turn to dust and there’s nothing more, no big deal. My time on Earth has been well spent following the “Golden Rule” of “Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You” and of loving my neighbors as myself and trying to teach my children to do the same.

      I will be 66 years old in July. I have few regrets and will be happy to meet my Maker!

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:06am

      If “In God We Trust” offends you, move to Cuba!

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    • Xyskalla
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:23am

      Atheists feel strongly, but they are only guided by their preferences. They’re not bound to obey an Authority who is greater than they are, so they‘re not going to take a bullet in the head if it’s a choice between that and waiting silently while someone prays. They might hate it, but there is no standard they are violating. But I’ll take a bullet for Jesus, because He took one for me. I don’t want to, of course, but that’s my point about the difference between us and atheists. It’s the difference between “I don’t like that” vs. “I am under orders by the highest Authority, so I don’t have a choice.“ The atheist CANNOT say anything stronger than ”I don’t like that.” They might word it differently for emphasis, but “I really, really, really HATE that“ is still not even in the same ballpark as ”I am under orders by the living God and I must do this.”

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    • The1stDave
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 8:07am

      I’m an atheist. That being said I don’t care what others believe, if a particular worldview helps you or makes you happy then I’m glad for you. There are a great many people like me who will stand shoulder to shoulder with those who believe, sooner than later. I have fared better in a crowd of Jesus’ followers than in a crowd of muslims or those who force their nonbelief on others.

      On the subject of money, the people who are devaluing it and not the people who put in god we trust on it offend me

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:42am

      Watch as I p*** both sides off.
      The government has no business mandating or supplying contraceptives or abortions anymore than it has any business installing Christmas decorations on government property or allowing official public school led prayer. Supplying contraceptives and facilitating religion are NOT legitimate functions of government. And don’t give me this Government is endorsing Atheism horse squeeze. Saying their is “no god” is the only way you can endorse atheism. The absence of god endorses nothing as government should be.
      The Left tries to make government their Pimp, the Right tries to make government their Church. It is neither.

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    • infidelible
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:56pm

      If there were a God and s/he preferred men and women to live in a free state, why is freedom such a fragile thing? Why has a truly free nation, well, mostly free nation only ever existed for about a couple of centuries – and even then in a state of philosophical upheaval with respect to race? People that claim the US is divinely protected should wonder about the Monarchies … you know, the divine right of kings. America is the product of the enlightenment. So the rights of individuals don’t seem to come from religion or god. Nor do they seem to be divinely protected in any way.

      The problem with religion, and why atheists bother with it, is the great opportunity cost associated with it. While you study the bible you are not studying the natural world. While you study parables and, in some cases, deliberate misrepresentations, you are not studying history. While you study commandments, you are not studying what is morality and why should I be moral.

      If judeo-christian morality is a reasonable guide to human behavior, why do so many religious leaders fall short? Is it not a question worth asking?

      I don’t care what any individual believes. I care greatly about the acts of mobs of the incurious. And that includes those that spout off about virgin births and man-made climate change. Look, go with Reagan on this one as a starting point: “trust but verify”.

      And quit with the idea that all atheists are leftists and leftists atheists. That’s ridiculous

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    • sixtysix
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:56pm

      It is sad to think about these people when they bow before Jesus and confess that He is Lord – all to no avail. They will be told “depart from me, I never knew you.” Just as they did not like to acknowledge Him, He will deny them when the chips are down and their souls are required of them. I continue to wonder why people spend so much time and money trying to prove someone does not exist. Can we prove what we believe is non-existent? If these people had their way, the world would be chaos – with no God to teach us good, we would find good in our own sight. That always ends in chaos. Judges says that the people did what was right in their own eyes. Failing to recognize the Judges God placed over them, they created mayhem. It is always so when men forget or will not acknowledge God.

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:52pm

      @sixtysix
      It’s sad to think you actually believe you have contributed anything of value to this conversation.

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    • SAnn
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 5:07pm

      DERPINA: No one is taking their rights away in fact they have taken many of our rights away who believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ who died for our sins. Now, if this offends you too bad you do not have to read my comment or believe it until the day that will come for all of you in the society of non-believers! Your choice not mine!

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    • Busybea007
      Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:01pm

      Without God – they have no rights under our Constitution. How do they “feel” about that?

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:33pm

      @SAnn
      [in fact they have taken many of our rights]
      Name one. Name one that wasn’t an abused privilege. Go on, name one.

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:52pm

      @Busybea007
      Can you provide one credible source that God is guaranteeing, endorsing, or enforcing these rights?

      Nope.

      In fact the Constitution conflicts with the Ten Commandments.
      http://atheism.about.com/od/tencommandments/a/americanlaw.htm (2 pages)

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  • Derpina
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:55pm

    So, in other words, “don’t be a dick”.
    Novel tactics.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 8:17pm

      N-word Rich: to Have it All… and Blow it…

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    • Bo Jiden
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 2:28pm

      I’ve never known an atheist, therefore I don’t believe they exist.

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    • jackmp
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:04pm

      so what if the unborn is female are we not violating her body when a doctor sucks her out of the womb into little pieces and throws them in the garbage . it also takes Way more faith to believe that everything is all by coincidence that an ameba with no brain and only one cell decided to evolve over millions of years , what did it do for millions of years with that first ( useless all by itself eyeball cell ) that incidentally was useless without all the other eyeball cells and the brain to interpret what it sees . can you see how crazy your theory is ?

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:53pm

    Where are my posts

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:53pm

    NEWS FLASH: Atheists have long ago invaded Capitol Hill that is why the country is in the shape it is in.

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    • Leopold
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 2:40pm

      To all believers and those who are seeking.

      Remember, Atheists only know one side. Many people come to believe in God at some age of maturity. Therefore we have knowledge of both sides. They CANNOT understand what we are talking about. They CANNOT think clearly.

      Even Daniel of the Old Testament had to be given the SKILL to understand.

      Daniel 9:25

      And he (Gabriel) informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come to give you SKILL to understand.”

      So, unless these Atheists open their mind to the possibility of a higher intelligence then themselves they will never understand what we are talking about. Our brains do not function fully, unless one knows the Giver of Truth. And if they want to live a life without Truth we need to have pity on them.

      But remember, they are not lost yet. As long as their is breath in them they have a chance to come to the full knowledge of the Truth.

      Until then, they prefer DARKNESS. People who do not want their actions to be noticed reject LIGHT. That is what they are doing.

      Our time for courage and the need to be able to love those who hate us, is just around the corner.

      And we will be tested and tried, persecuted and imprisoned, ridiculed and smeared.

      So everybody, hang on to The Truth of Christ with perseverance and, hopefully, grace.

      Jesus loves them. He died for them. He also gave us all a choice of what to do with the gift of redemption.

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  • Re-Founding Sons
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:51pm

    Religion is essential for the morality of society. Read David Barton’s: Original Intent. It will end all the arguments that non-believers have against our country being a religious nation. We are founded on Christianity, that is a fact. If you don’t like it, then why are you still here?

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:56pm

      “Religion is essential for the morality of society.”

      It’s certainly working out in Iran.

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    • Re-Founding Sons
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:06pm

      And your point about Iran is?

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    • erock33
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:13pm

      If you would like a view of countries with an anti-christian background there are several from history including Germany with Hitler, Russian with Stalin (great times if you didn’t mind starving or being shot for for having a religious belief). Also, I find it funny that some individual on here blame God for children starving and neglect while hundreds if not thousands of christian missionaries are trying to help those people while they just sit on their ignorance and act like its someone elses responsibility.

      And why is it I never hear of islamic, or hindu, or atheistic missons that help the less fortunate? hmmmm

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    • infidelible
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 8:46pm

      @RE-FOUNDING SONS: if you are giving out reading assignments, you might try “Viable Values” by Tara Smith. It is a look at meta-ethics and it does, IMO, a good job of why one ought to be moral, and more importantly, what that means, without resorting to the conflicting stories of the bible or belief in God.

      As for this being a nation founded on Christianity, you really ought to pay attention to David Barton and Glenn. Many of the framers were Deists and it was Jewish man who substantially funded the American Revolution. Also, Hamilton, maybe one of the more devout Christians of the bunch, was asked why God was not mentioned in the Constitution. His answers was “we forgot” [http://www.thenation.com/article/our-godless-constitution?page=0,0]

      Lastly, as to why non-Christians are in America. Well a large number were, like yourself, probably born here and (hopefully) want to support the experiment that is our nation (that is, can free men and women govern themselves?). Others probably came looking for free markets and social and economic mobility. Or maybe some vicious Muslim thug was trying to kill them and anywhere else looked good. Probably a whole cornucopia of reasons why non-Christians are here. However, what ought to animate you are not non-Christians, but socialist statists who are taking the whole altruism thing to its darkest conclusions.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:47pm

    barber2,
    Someone can only bang a drum so many times to a deaf person or people. I was in a combat zone once, and I was going to do the very thing I was trained to do because someone fit the very description of the bad-guy, but I didn’t do it for one very good reason. The soldier next to me told me “Tim, stop“ in the most ”Other-worldly” voice I have ever heard in my life. So what I’m saying is that it is your choice, and your soul if you don’t want to listen.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:24pm

      And that voice wasn’t even the most strange part. The strange part is that soldier didn’t even know or call me by my first name.

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:38pm

    Buddhist. Because I believe in Science & Proof *and* Compassion.

    Athiests are only part way there. I pray for their eventual enlightenment but I’d never try to force it on them. That would be rude.

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  • GergTheDaddyTard
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:36pm

    @ BEST_PATRIOT If you read the news, every attack on religion, especially Christianity, in this country come from empty-headed atheist groups like this; local or national. Not only that, but, like the dope in the pic with the green shirt, they acted as though they are more intelligent(or in their case, higher evolved) than people of faith, even thought actual science and history proves them wrong seven ways to Sunday(pun intended). I do disagree with SPECKLEDPUP’s thought, though, I think their point is that the kind of government and policies these twerps advocate are the ones that lead to innocent civilian deaths(abortion, duh). And why do you assume they’re Christian for saying that? A bit bigoted are we? The thing we, and more importantly they, need to learn from this is that they are a major MINORITY in this country, and they need to sit down, shut up, and stop getting in the way of those who sacrifice their lives(no not just military people) so that they can even have the freedom to be FOOLS who say there is no God.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:41pm

      I’m guessing the irony of your post is lost on you.

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    • OklahomaBound
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:58pm

      “Krief also cautioned that there may be a bit of a cultural shock for Capitol Hill staffers who have never encountered a non-believer.” The so-called “Dem Party” is full of socialist and communists so there will be no culture shock between these God hating leftist when they meet.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:22pm

      DUMPSTER BABY, As your site name implies, are you actually an abortion survivor? It seems that you must still have the coat hanger caught in your head.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:34pm

      @RJJJING..: LOL! Actually I was kinda working from the angle that I was an unwanted baby that had been disposed of in a dumpster but that works too. Best laugh I’ve had all day. Good post.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:46pm

      DUMPSTER BABY, Oh, then your mom must have been at that prom with Peter Griffin?

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:59pm

      …and I was later found in Philly by Dee and Mac.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:19pm

      DUMPSTER BABY, lol

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  • Best_Patriot
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:33pm

    This is one of the most hateful forums I’ve ever read. No wonder why they’re called “the fringe right.”

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:37pm

      True but just think how epic the DERP will be here when their favorite ***** get re-elected. Good times.

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    • barber2
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:42pm

      Guess you and Dumpster are Trolling the Blaze today. Junior high must have dismissed early for the weekend!

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    • weldman7
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:09pm

      You will discover most of the so called Christians who frequent the Blazes forums wouldn’t know Christs teachings if it bit them in the butt.

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    • Obama Snake Oil Co
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Well, you don’t need to be a horses ass here, most of us are normal…..

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  • barber2
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:33pm

    BEST and DUMP: do not judge so quickly lest Tim speaketh his wisdom to you.

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  • HKS
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:32pm

    I did not know that to be an Atheist required training.

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:31pm

    well we’ve tried “hunanist” love. We got Hiter’s Germany, Stalin’s Russie, Khmer Rouge, Maoist China ..ad nauseum. Between them they’re responsible for countless hundreds of millions deaths and incarcerations. Yeah…feel that humanist love.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:42pm

      “Gott Mit Uns” —german for “God With Us”

      Ever heard of that?

      It was on the belt-buckles of the SS…
      —————-
      Blaming totalitarianism on one person’s non-belief is a gross misrepresentation of history and human nature.

      Do you blame Moses and his revelations for killing all the people he did? Why not?

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    • cariboodragon
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:47pm

      GOD murdered everyone on the planet at one time, also entire cities and armies. Early christians 1 A.D. massacered and terrorized pagan believers to try and convert them. The Crusades saw atrocities on both sides in the name of GOD. Inquisitions were performed in the name of GOD many millions murdered and tortured. Doesn’t matter who or what you believe in man will continue to murder man end of story.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:48pm

      Oh I see MRBUTCHER…you‘re one of those clowns who buys Hitler’s manipulations of the church? Never mind the clear evidence that complete fealty to the fuhrer and the Reich above all else was what was being taught and enforced by the Nazis. We’ll just ignore that part. Nice try sport.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:55pm

      CARIBOODRAGON…your numbers are quite wrong about the number of deaths that resulted from the inqusitions and the crusades. Credible historians number them less than a million only in the hundreds of thousands. The TWENTIETH CENTURY’S humanist regimes however are responsible for countless hundreds of millions of deaths and incarcerations between them. Heck..China still has gulags. Humanism/Secularism has far surpassed the death tolls and human rights abuses of anything you can impose on the church.

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    • iguana
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:16pm

      Mr. Butcher: Gott Mit Uns was NOT on the belt buckles of the SS. It was on the belt buckles of the regular German army (the Heer). The SS buckles had (trying to remember the phrasing) Loyalty Is My Honor or My Honor Is Loyalty.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:34pm

      MRBUTCHER, Gott Mit Uns was on the Heer and Kriegsmarine belt buckles. The SS had their stylised eagle standing on a wreathed swastika with their motto encircling it. The Luftwaffe had yet their own stylized eagle as the only item on the standard buckle.
      If you are implying that their were a religious organization, the Heer buckle dates back to WWI and probably some time before that. Hitler had some strange ideas on religions, and did use religions common to Germany to his benefit.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:45pm

      IGUANA, My apologies, did not mean to step on your post. I‘m almost positive that you that you did have that SS soldier’s motto correctly.

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  • mountainmover101
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:26pm

    There is no such thing as an atheist. Look at their statement. “Because I BELIEVE in science and proof.” It is just a different belief system. I don’t have to believe in science. Hard science is correct and can be definitive according to scientific process. Soft sciences are just that, soft. Soft sciences are comprised of conjecture and guesswork. There are no definitive answers because there can be none. I don’t have to believe in mathematics. 2 plus 2 equals four, unequivocally. Science can sometimes provide the how but never the why. Proof is a nebulous term. It all depends on what one will accept as proof.

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  • Dumpster Baby
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:24pm

    Feel the Christian love!

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  • right
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:24pm

    I feel sorry for folks that don’t believe in God.
    I respect your freedom to be a non-believer.
    Please respect my freedom to have my beliefs.

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    • justangry
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:35pm

      You got it! I think you’ll find most nonbelievers would agree to your terms. The Blaze seems to keep trying to make it look like athiests and agnostics are the same thing and all of them want to be pains in believers sides. It’s not the case.

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    • 4xeverything
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:53pm

      I hear that. How lonely an exsistance. The only thing I ever want to ask an atheist is; what if you’re wrong? The only thing that happens if I’m wrong, is that I go to my grave knowing the love that may be waiting for me on the other side, with happiness in my heart.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:38pm

      4XEverything, . . . you are setting up a dichotomy with your statement. You are assuming that the christian god is [or can be] the only possible deity. But there is no more evidence for that than the muslim has for Allah being the true god, . . .and if that is the case [Allah being the true god], all you’ve done on Earth would have been for nothing and you would end up with the atheist in hell.

      Fortunately, there is no hell, so everyone experiences the same thing. . . .winking out of existence. . . . . . . . . . . *qualifyer* most likely. :-)

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 7:12pm

      Hey Deavo,

      I really like the way you ended your post with the cute little smiley face.

      Kind of humanizes you a little bit………sort of…….. :+)

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 7:38pm

      @Therightsofbilly
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 6:38pm
      “Hey uncle JZS,
      Tell me another story uncle JZS, woodja, huh?”

      You’re bad….

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 11:41pm

      HI MONK,

      I have to ask…………..
      Did I unknowingly step in something unpleasant?

      I hope not.

      Hope you are doing well.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 7:53am

      @ deavon – read this book – then we can talk…..”I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” And I mean read the book, don’t google for reviews and comments about what others who have never read the book say about it

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  • Best_Patriot
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:22pm

    spoken like a true Christian?

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  • freestaterev
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Empty shells…(sounds of crickets chirping from the soul)

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:19pm

    Oh? So, where is the “science and proof” that God does not exist?

    No one with a brain believes in atheism.

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:25pm

      Where’s your science and proof that he does. Good luck w/that.

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    • ort777
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. The burden of proof is with the atheist to disprove the existence of God. Looks like you’ll need to search to the ends of the Universe to prove that one, Dumpster. Good luck with THAT!

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    • Goldomark
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

      Nah. You can’t disprove a negative. All the bruden of proof rest on those who say it exists. Prove it, I dare you.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:22pm

      Russell’s teapot.

      Just sayin’…

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    • ort777
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:36pm

      If you care to look, you‘ll have all the evidence you need to prove God’s existence. I have examined the evidence and, like you, have taken a step in faith that my beliefs are true.
      Besides, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence as you presume.

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    • louie louie
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:48pm

      Believers don’t claim to have “proof” of God. We claim “evidence” for God but our beliefs are based on faith. Atheists are the ones claiming “science and proof” are on their side. So the burden of proof is on them. The problem is, their unsubstantiated claim that God does not exist is based entirely on blind faith. It has not been proven and cannot be proven. Even the evidence is weak. There is no atheist bible containing the testimony of atheists throughout history who have received a witness of the non-existence of God or of the lack of life after death. Such a thing would be a contradiction. People are free to reject the witnesses of God throughout history. But to say that God does not exist and then claim it as fact is an out and out lie. It is unprovable. You can keep an open mind and still claim to be honest. But you cannot claim to “know” there is no God and still be an honest person.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 4:57pm

      DUMPSTER BABY, You may choose to scoff at this, but if you have the time, it might make for some interesting reading.
      http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/hugh-ross-origin-of-the-universe/

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    • Dumpster Baby
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:09pm

      @RJJJING: Thanks for the link. Looks interesting. I’ve already started to check it out.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 5:29pm

      DUMPSTER BABY, Good, I hope that you can gain some insight from it. I don’t expect you to believe all or any of it right away, but it’s good of you to take the time to read it. In fact, I haven‘t read it since I think ’96 shortly before retiring from the Army.

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    • Copo
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Dumpster baby: the second law of thermodynamics states that everything tends towards destruction. This shows that matter is effected by time which means that it must exist within time. Anything that exists within time must be created; it cannot be eternal. Because matter cannot be created nor destroyed this means, and because everything which is created needs a creator, this means that the creator of matter must have existed outside the laws of physics, nature, and outside time. To create this also must have been a personal being that had an incredible amount of power, intelligence, and creativity. This personal being is what we call God. Luck has nothing to do with it, not with this or with the prophecy of the Jews being gathered unto Israel and all the nations turning against Jerusalem being fulfilled; you’re just in denial.

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:18pm

    Let’s put some perspective on this. The country is in a fiscal crisis. The country has the highest underemployment rate since WWII. We are facing some incredibly serious economic problems….and these idiots are mobilizing to get religion out of everyone’s sight? What a bunch of idiots.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:17pm

    As the world population begins it’s downward spiral, it is going to become harder and harder to be born again.

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:16pm

    boy…200 “non-believers”? That’s some flood..watch out Noah.

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    • DSTSS2010
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 10:58pm

      I, too thought that was decidedly “underwhelming”.

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    • libbylindy
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:15pm

      1.6% of the population of America claims to be atheist, while 78.4% claim to be Christian. Now why would we, the 78.4%, bow down to the 1.6%? If they don’t like “In God We Trust” on the money, don’t use it. Simple. They can use a credit card issued by an anti-God bank. 78.4% still says that we are a Christian nation, regardless of whether little o in the WH thinks we aren’t.

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  • Dumpster Baby
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:16pm

    Oh the horror. They told them to be polite!

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Lest you be born again with more fruit before the moment of God, you will not acquire the Kingdom of Heaven, and therefore you should do your best to do the top Ten Commandments.

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    • barber2
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:28pm

      And the Lord saith : go home, ELIASIUM and YOUR SENSI, and taketh thy meds.” ,

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    • Xyskalla
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 11:32am

      The wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23)

      He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy (Titus 3:5)

      For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

      Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved (Acts 16:31)

      For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16)

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    • libbylindy
      Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:59pm

      @xyskalla
      They have ears but they cannot hear.
      They have eyes but they cannot see.
      There is no point in trying to reason with unreasonable people. You and I both know that they will believe in God one day, and unless they have a change of heart before their last breath, they will be lost. That is truth and there is no rebuttal to be given until the day they can prove that the deity they stand before, isn’t God. Let them tell Him. Until then, just pray for them. They are lost souls.

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  • MONICNE
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:14pm

    Well this seems like a 100% legitimate way to make a good impression and get your message out.

    Then again, our local chapter was advised by Freedomworks to seek some additional training and attend a “boot camp” on aggressive “group” lobbying when they contacted us in 2009 .

    TEA

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:44pm

      MONACNE…will you be returning as your other persona “SLEAZY HIPPO” to back yourself up with this characteristically peurile post of yours? You seemed to forget who you were posting as yesterday when you logged in as SLEAZY HIPPO but ended your post with your unsettling compulsion to put “TEA” at the end of every post. You must have forgotten who you were posting as right creep? How many other personalities do you have sweetie?

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  • Best_Patriot
    Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:13pm

    I swear, these Atheists exist for the sole purpose of getting under the skin of Beck-heads. And you keep taking the bait.

    It’s a silly group, but who cares? Christians and Jews and Muslims can organize in public, why can’t Atheists?

    I really don’t care, I just find it amusing at how riled up y’all get at them. Heh.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:25pm

      Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Troll Alert!

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    • Best_Patriot
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:30pm

      @Mandors, thanks for proving you can’t have a discussion.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:46pm

      What should we be discussing then? Lefty baiting? Clearly the bait didn’t work. Is there more to discuss?

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    • barber2
      Posted on March 23, 2012 at 3:50pm

      MANDORS: The topic sure rattles Best Patriot‘s and Baby’s Dumpster !

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