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‘The Mandate Was Not a Tax’: Mitt Romney Sides With Dissent in Obamacare Case

Those who have even cursory familiarity with the Constitution are aware that the province of raising taxes belongs to Congress. As such, the area of politics where most antitax work gets done is the arena of Congressional races, rather than in the Presidential race – that is, unless you have a case of rank betrayal, as was the case when George H. W. Bush went back on his “Read my lips, no new taxes” pledge.

Fortunately for Mitt Romney, he isn’t running for Congress. He tried that already. Now he’s the GOP nominee for President, and in the event that he wins, his only province over taxes will be the veto power, which he has already pledged to employ.

Mitt Romney Spokesman Eric Fernstrohm Tells MSNBCs Chuck Todd That the Individual Mandate is Not a Tax

Specifically, he signed this.

However, in the event that Romney becomes President, there is a much bigger question he will have to tackle – namely, the appointment of Supreme Court Justices when and if there is a vacancy on the Court. And given that the deciding vote in perhaps the most controversial case of the last decade – the Obamacare case – was cast by a Republican appointee, this duty is a potential minefield, especially considering that the Court‘s ruling declaring Obamacare a tax offers Romney’s party a potent political weapon.

Mitt Romney Spokesman Eric Fernstrohm Tells MSNBCs Chuck Todd That the Individual Mandate is Not a Tax

Chief Justice John Roberts

So what’s Romney to do? Jump on the easy “It’s a tax” line of attack, thus signaling that he agrees with the ruling by the Court, in order to score cheap political points, or repudiate the decision in its entirety, thus signaling that as President, he would only appoint ideologically reliable judges? In other words, will Romney take a position based on politics, or based on principle?

Well, in a choice that may surprise some people, Romney is going with principle, at least if the words of his surrogate Eric Fernstrohm are any guide. Fernstrohm recently spoke to MSNBC’s Chuck Todd and said straight out that not only does his boss (Romney) not believe that the individual mandate is a tax, but he believes the Court got it wrong and Obamacare is still unconstitutional. Watch below:

A bit of reporting on what Fernstrohm said, and an abbreviated transcript, both follow, courtesy of Think Progress:

“The governor disagreed with the ruling of the Court,” Fehrnstrom said, “he agreed with the dissent, which was written by Justice Scalia, which very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax”:

TODD: The governor does not believe the mandate is a tax — that’s what you’re saying?

FEHRNSTROM: The governor believes what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty and he disagrees with the Court’s ruling that the mandate was a tax. [...]

TODD: But he agrees with the president that it is not — and he believes that you should not call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine?

FEHRNSTROM: That’s correct. But the president also needs to be held accountable for his contradictory statements. He has described it variously as a penalty and as a tax. He needs to reconcile those two very different statements.

Now, before you get angry with Romney for passing up an easy attack line, think for a minute about what he’s doing. The Democrats are doing everything in their power to avoid talking about the mandate as though it were a tax, and the RNC is doing its best to keep up the pressure on them in that department. However, by offering an out to the Democrats that says the mandate is a “penalty,” Romney is basically forcing them to call the mandate unconstitutional, since the majority opinion in the Obamacare case made it quite clear that the only way Obamacare could be constitutional would be if it were a tax. In other words, Romney is both declaring his intention to nominate Justices like conservative hero Antonin Scalia, and laying a trap for the Obama administration to explicitly claim its landmark legislation, as written, is unconstitutional.

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  • wewantchillywilly
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:03pm

    why do the republican voters pick the absolute worst candidates time and time again for president?

    maybe in 2016 they’ll finally get it, and pick somebody with strong principles and who is not afraid of his principles.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:07pm

      Why? BECAUSE THEY‘RE LEFTIST AND THEY’RE TRYING TO THROW THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

      LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE Mitt Romney IS NOT the nominee.

      If the LEFTIST republican party CHEAT-nominates LEFTIST Romney, they will have SUCCEEDED in reelecting Obama. Then they can spend ANOTHER FOUR YEARS “complaining” and WATCHING OUR NATION CRUMBLE.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:10pm

      I’d say that the media has a lot to do with that. The conservatives and many of the undecided need to cut off the lame stream media.

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:17pm

      is chilly on the ballot?

      lol , love the name.

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:37pm

      We see what a ridiculous conundrum the SCOTUS created here. It is only a tax if someone decides not to buy a product, but if they refuse to pay the tax, then it is a penalty. This is the spirit of the age, total confusion.
      http://www.isthatbaloney.com/scotus-rules-health-insurance-only-a-tax-if-you-dont-buy-it/

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:56pm

      Do the conservatives choose the presidential candidates? Or do the banks? Think about it..There is no way that anyone but Romney was going to be on the Conservative ballot..no matter what.. I believe that they broke the law or changed the law to do it., because Romney and Obama are the same..Look at Mutiny’s post below. Mutiny is absolutely right. Both are bankster boys. The Federal Reserve runs the banks. The banks like Goldman Sachs who funded Romney are Sharia Compliant Banks..( of the 700 billion TARP funded banks)..meaning that they give 2.5% of every investment to organizations funding terrorism..Those terrorists don’t blow up trade centers for free you know..It is for the instigation of war to bring in the NWO people. Here is the Rothschild history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc
      In Germany http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9Qm_TejCo&skipcontrinter=1&bpctr=1341274973&skipcontrinter=1
      Their origins in the Bible Genesis 49:17
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTJIsEGJLA

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    • jsciai
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:09pm

      Romney is Brilliant. Like the article said, he has put obama on the defensive and vulnerable to attack on either side of the argument. Now that the RNC is beating up obamacare as a tax, the dems will defend it as a penalty and as such would be unconstitutional. All of you obamaton trolls, yes bro winston, I’m talking to you, spout off about how Romney doesn’t take a stand. Well you know something, he just did, and he has been CONSISTENT on it. And don’t give me that romneycare crap–totally different thing. Of course you will be denegrating him all the same, trying to split the conservative vote so your man, obama, can get re-elected. A pox on all your houses!

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:10pm

      If Romney agrees with the conservative side of the Court, why is he weak? If viewed as a penalty, then in fact it is an excise, and according to Article 1, Section 8, excises have to be equal. The penalty in ObammyCare is not equal since it is income based, making it unconstitutional.

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:21pm

      love the links all thanks…keep it up.

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    • gadgetninja
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:08pm

      plus ron paul is like nearly 80 little too old imho to be pres what if alzheimers kicks in and he forgets what the red button s for lol

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    • ISRAELISOURFRIEND
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:16pm

      THINK REPUBLICANS, “THINK”.

      PLEASE THINK.

      I SAID EARLIER THAT JUSTICE ROBERTS GOT IT RIGHT, BECAUSE HE HANDED CONSERVATIVES THE MOVEMENT, ROBERTS WAS GENIUS!

      ROMNEY PICKED UP ON EXACTLY WHAT ROBERTS DECISION INTENDED TO DO.

      IT SHUT THE DEMOCRATS DOWN AND OPENED UP THE DOOR FOR THE CONSERVATIVE AND UNDECIDED VOTER TO TURN OUT!

      THINK PEOPLE THINK!!!

      WE‘LL ALL HATE ROBERTS AND ROMNEY’S DECISION BECAUSE WE’RE NOT THINKING. SO THEY ARE THINKING FOR US.

      EXACTLY WHAT THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS DOING TO THE REALLY DUMB FOR THE LEFT. ROBERTS AND ROMNEY ARE DOING TO THE MORAL CONSERVATIVE RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO THINK FOR US BECAUSE MOST OF US DON’T. PROOF IS WATCHING THE REACTION OF THE RIGHT WHEN EVEN THEY’VE PROVEN THEMSELVES IN ACTUALLY TURNING OBAMACARE BACK ON OBAMA. GENIUS.

      IT IS A TAX, A FINE, A FEE AND IT’S ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

      THANKS ROBERTS AND ROMNEY!!!!!!

      ROMEY’S GOT MY VOTE!

      I’d vote for a sheep, a monkey, a bat, a duck, a pig, a goat, or an idiot. Anything is better than an anti-Israel un-Amercia traitor!

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:18pm

      This is who we are..We are people who are tired of letting the Federal Reserve pick their war mongering for material and monetary acquistion, instigated by the 9/11 “disaster for the purpose of driving us into so much debt that we would be forced into the NWO..which is simply put..all the wealth is being transferred out of the hands of the people and into the hands of the most powerful families and rulers..hence Communism..the NWO..THat is why we choose a man who cannot be bought..and who has a 10 yr record of fighting the system for our Constitutional rights..and our freedom..You cannot appreciate freedom until you lose it. THey kicked them out of Iceland..we can too..We just have to determine to do so like they did in Iceland..ICELAND did it people..They did it!!! http://www.freedumbnation.com/?p=2369

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Oooops, booger71.

      Romneycare AND Obamacare AND republican Medicare Part D AND Medicare… are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as healthcare (and it’s FUNDING) are found NOWHERE in the Enumerated Powers. It doesn’t matter whether they are “taxes” or not.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:06pm

      READ THE ARTICLE before you go popping your heads.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:21pm

      @chilly
      “why do the republican voters pick the absolute worst candidates time and time again for president?”

      Thats a good question. Either republicans are too stupid or they are being tricked by the establishment every election. More proof Romney is a fraud….Has anyone seen the story about Romney’s investments in a company that profits from abortions????
      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:57pm

      jsciai
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:09pm

      Romney is Brilliant.
      ============================

      Oh….he is, is he?:

      Romney In 2009: “Glad To Hear” Obama “Copying” RomneyCare

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    • black9897
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:18pm

      Who cares. Romney sucks, BO sucks. Doesn’t matter if they call it a tax, or whatever name they want. Fact is, it’s forcing someone to do something.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:24pm

      Moses was 80 years old when he led the Israelites out of Egypt..and he was 120 yrs old when he got the people to the promised land..and the only reason he died then was because of disobedience to God.. Ron Paul out debated Michelle Bachman and she is only in her 40′s and is an attorney..Ron Paul is the most decent man running. Peter Schiff is his financial man and Peter Schiff said that this Obamacare is unconstitutional.. and that the Supreme Court has let us down by voting against the Constitution.. You can put lipstick on a pig people..but it’s still a pig.. Romney is a liberal..

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:51pm

      @kid

      Dont bother with JSC. He or she is a Mormon and would support Obama if he was a Mormon. Any candidate that gets 90%+ support for his race, color, or religion just shows the mind set of that group.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:54pm

      Peter Schiff’s take on this decision by Chief Justus Roberts..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCyEC9r_mk&feature=youtu.be

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 3:02am

      SILLY PAUL BOTS…are you still up? I thought maybe since RAND PAUL endorsed ROMNEY, you little boys would go on off to bed. ROMNEY has integrity. HE has a lot of Skill, you weren’t probably old enough when he saved the Salt Lake OLYMPICS; (and our National Pride)….IF you want to be suckers and believe the outsourcing garbage thrown out on the street by Axelrod and his motley crew go ahead. it’s not true. I would vote for my SOCK over OBAMA, fortunately I have a good man with a decent outlook on life and a decent life to back it up…MITT ROMNEY to vote for. I just hope he picks MARCO RUBIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 3:37am

      @ISRAELISOURFRIEND ^5 dude!!! Great post! I concur. Everyone is screaming and pouting but I think that #1 Roberts cut off the SOB in the WH at the PASS. He can’t MAKE STATES do Diddley now!
      Oh, he can try to keep shoving that ridiculous garbage down USA’s throats, but he can’t explain why it would take 2 TRILLION $ to insure 10% of our people. The kids are covered under some kid program; then there are the illegals who should be shown the door if they aren’t working (they can’t just stay here and collect unemployment; other benefits— I wish I could feed the world, but that might interfere with what GOD wants for them…struggle, develop character, get on their feet and help each other…. IF there are 30 M “UNINSURED” BUT 17M OF THEM ARE KIDS AND THEY ARE COVERED AND 12M OF THEM ARE ILLEGALS… then build some clinics, pay for young medical students to man them (and learn) that leaves 1%… 2 TRILLION for 1%.
      THIS
      IS
      NOT
      ABOUT
      HEALTH
      CARE
      THIS IS
      ABOUT
      BEING
      TOTALLY IN CONTROL
      OF ALL OF US.
      Do you really think that shallow, evil Obama and his witch are going to support people over 60 getting heart implants or knee/hip replacements? HE is the ANTI-CHRIST or that other guy with him. When he figures out that he is going to be loosing this election, as he’s finding out now (no $$) you will see the smoke come out of his ears and his eyes turn to fire. She’s already a raving maniac. I’m mad as hell at him because I wanted to see a p

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 3:45am

      I’m going to continue that: I wanted to see a PERSON OF COLOR in the WH before I went Home, but this dude came in with his Marxist, Communistic hatred of this Country I love so much and he wrecked everything. HE has our ENEMY in the WH with him; In high places; He’s made a mockery of our Court system; allowed some SOB to kill 13 and injure many more and doesn’t have the guts to call him a TERRORIST; he’s wrecked our economy; he has tried to make himself in to an elementary school child’s hero complete with songs to their “DEAR LEADER” (my aunt fannie); He has demoralized our nation; all in just 3 years. HE has lied about EVERYTHING…hell fire, we don’t even know where he came from…really. HE did NOT grow up in AMERICA even if he WAS born in HAWAII but he sure spent a whole lotta money trying to hide that faux BC didn’t he? Social Security NUMBER(S)? NAMES – how many people do YOU know whose had 3 names and not because they were a woman and got married a bunch of times… HIS FIRST SPEECH AS PRESIDENT WAS NOT IN THE USA…IT WAS IN EGYPT…AND HIS GUESTS OF HONOR WERE IN THE FRONT ROW…THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ….. I MEAN, GOOD GRIEF!!! DOES HE HAVE TO GRAFFITI IT ON THE WHITE HOUSE? “I‘M MUSLIM and I’m here to take you down, AMERICA” DOES HE? There are so many admirable people of color… he’s not good enough to tie their shoes. DAMN HIM (and HER)
      And WRIGHT; JARRETT; AXELROD; et al. WORK HARD PEOPLE. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 7:34am

      @Patty
      Romney may have skill, integrity, decent life, faith, etc…..But he is still a progressive. Progressives are the enemy and if you listen to Glenn Beck, you should know this. George Bush is probably a great guy and John McCain is a hero – but they are both PROGRESSIVES. A progressive is incapable of restoring this country.

      Yes, Rand Paul endorsed Romney. Who cares!?!? I dont care who people tell me to vote for, i look at principles and records. Look, we are so close to complete destruction and socialism…You are trampeling on Patrick Henry’s namesake. We cannot afford any compromise on principles and we sure as hell cannot afford to wait 8 years for the next conservative. Wake up and smell the roses – we need to get McConnell, Boehner, and Romney out of these positions of power and replace them with constitutional candidates like Amosh, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, heck i would take Sarah Palin in a heartbeat. Its only July, still have time to bring in the replacements

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 7:49am

      @ASHESTOASHES
      Moses was 80 years old when he led the Israelites out of Egypt..and he was 120 yrs old when he got the people to the promised land.
      —–
      Noah lived 950 years, so what’s your point? You know humankind’s lifespan has been shortened to an average of 70-80 yrs. (Psalm 90:10)

      Your comments are starting to border on delusional. Stop with your messianic allusions to Paul, already. He IS an old man, by worldly OR biblical standards, and if he had become prez, he probably wouldn’t have made it past his first year in office — and neither would America.

      Do you hear Santorum‘s or Perry’s or Gingrich‘s or Cain’s or ANY OTHER CANDIDATE’s supporters still talking about how their candidate should be the nominee? NO. It’s only you Paul sheeple, who are out of touch with reality and obsessed with the man. You bring him up even when the thread is about food. And then you get offended when people call you a cult.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:09am

      @KRYTONITE..Hi Krypt..Us Paul people sound like a cult? lol Paul is a Southern Baptist…Romney is a lilberal..He admits to being a progressive. If you check out Mutinys and Brothers posts..you will see it..Maybe you are a progressive Krypt.. Anyway..even if somethng were to happen to doctor Paul..which I doubt..I am quite sure that he is capable of choosing someone to succeed him that will carry on our founder’s ideals of freedom.. Besides Krypt..looks like your boy is in trouble..THey say he cannot win without the support of Paul’s people..I trust in my Lord Jesus Christ..and whatever comes of this..I will not fear..I will vote the man..not the one who has been pushed down our throats..
      http://www.examiner.com/article/romney-losing-ground-to-obama-without-support-from-paul-nation

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:34am

      @KRYOTONITE..I just reread your post..speaking of food..Paul’s friend Kucinich (and although I don’t care for Kucinich) he has fought for the labeling of GMO foods..From my understanding.many countries have banned them..and they comprise only 5 % of the food in other countries while 70% here..They are created with pesticide growing inside the plant.. We are ingesting poison..plus they contain a protein similiar to our own and it multiplies exponentially in our intestines even when we stop eating them..They are suspected of causing cancer. auto immune diseases and alzhiemers. Monsanto had an attorney who went to work in the FDA and their are many government officials involved. http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/monsanto.html
      .As I remember …the banks are the heaviest investors,followed by pension funds..then the private sector..

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    • TruthonlyBeTold
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 11:18am

      Worst candidate Obama-no experience; never held a real job; never paid for anything
      Romney is the best candidate we have had in many years. He has real business experience, was Governor in an uber left state, turn their debt into a surplus, Went from 51 (includes DC) to 47 for jobs, which was a major improvement for the State of Mass. For those who fault him for Romneycare, it is a states right to have and 85% of the people were for it and it was discussed on voted by the legislature. Nothing was hidden. He did a fantastic job with Bain Capital. Obama and his minions keep trying to lie and say he sent jobs overseas – blatant lie and even the Washington Post says it was a lie. Romney has the morals values and ethics needed and has never been a career politician which speaks to me. He lives his Christian religion, helps others, believes in the Constitution and is a true Conservative. Some of you will whine and moan and groan that he is not Conservative enough but what in the heck is conservative enough. No one is going to meet everyone’s criteria.

      Mitt Romney is a highly qualified, experienced man who has more expertise in business, running a business, listening to people, knowledge of laws and our Constitution than the average citizen or congress man or woman. HIs response to the results of Supreme Court judgment is right on target. At first I was not sure what he meant but now I do. It is a brilliant and accurate description that we can use to go back to the Supreme

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    • TruthonlyBeTold
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 2:19pm

      Worst candidate Obama-
      Romney is the best candidate we have had in many years. He has real business experience, was Governor in an uber left state, turn their debt into a surplus, Went from 51 (includes DC) to 47 for jobs, which was a major improvement for the State of Mass. For those who fault him for Romneycare, it is a states right to have and 85% of the people were for it and it was discussed on voted by the legislature. Nothing was hidden. He did a fantastic job with Bain Capital. Obama & his minions keep trying to lie & say he sent jobs overseas – blatant lie and even the Washington Post says it was a lie. Romney has the morals values and ethics needed and has never been a career politician which speaks to me. He lives his Christian religion, helps others, believes in the Constitution and is a true Conservative. Some of you will whine and moan and groan that he is not Conservative enough but what in the heck is conservative enough. No one is going to meet everyone’s criteria.

      Mitt Romney is a highly qualified, experienced man who has more expertise in business, running a business, listening to people, knowledge of laws and our Constitution than the average citizen or congress man or woman. His response of the results of Supreme Court judgment is right on target. At first I was not sure what he meant but now I do. It is a brilliant and accurate description that we can use to go back to the Supreme Court again.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:08pm

      Hi ASHES,
      Why didn’t you answer my question the other day? Do you believe Israel — as it stands today — has a right to exist? Just say yes or no.

      You do realize you Paul sheeple try to ram your guy down our throat 24/7, don’t you? Don’t you?? You know, ASHES, the longer you are in that fringe cult, the worse you get. I can see it in your comments. Sometimes I have to skip through, with all that anti-semitic trash you now believe. It’s getting darker in there. Please get out, before it’s too late.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:02am

      @ASHES
      Well, I read all your comment about the GMO food. That may be true. That’s why we need to pray over our food. :) Happy 4th!

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    • jsciai
      Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:00am

      KidCharlemagne
      :
      Hey Kid, Did you even watch your own link? Romney was commenting on when Obama was talking about setting up an exchange system where folks could BUY their own insurance. He CONDEMNED any government provided insurance. You see, it’s the half-truths, inuendos and misrepresentations that you obamaton paulbot trolls post that totally discredit you. I encourage everyone to go to the link again and watch the whole thing. Then go to http://whyromney.com/ and make up your own minds about Romney. I will not vote obama in come November. Can’t say the same for the kid, soybean, justangry, etc.

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  • 762x51
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:00pm

    I doubt Romney would much better than Bush did with this appointment but I hope he gets to try. There are four steps.

    1. Get Romney elected and the enemy Obama out of office – No I don’t think he will leave peacefully.
    2. Have the traitor Roberts die in screaming agony so he can be replaced.
    3. RAM a replacement law down the liberals throat doing as much damage as possible, that allows free market solutions and does away with commiecare.
    4. Watch the ******** flop like a worm on a hot skillet

    Alternatively, pass a law that lays a tax of $10,000.00 on everyone over the age of 21 who has no felony record or history of mental illness, unless they purchase an assault rifle, learn to use it and keep it in their home in a NIJ approved safe. Then stand back and watch them scream. When they appeal it to the SCOTUS they can correct Roberts treachery, assuming he is willing to commit suicide in the meantime, which he should do, right away.

    Illegals, of course would not be eligible to legally make the purchase and so are automatically required to pay the tax or face arrest, imprisonment and deportation. Two birds, one stone, oh yeah.

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:47pm

    No matter which of these two losers win in November, the American citizens lose.

    Think about the nominee you people have stumbled on to.

    1. Created Romneycare.
    2. Pro amnesty.
    3. Pro UN.
    4. Pro FED.
    5. Pro Patriot act.
    6. Pro NDAA.
    7. Pro gun control.
    8. Pro Obama spending levels.

    What I find sad is the fact everyone is talking about Obamacare being against the Constitution yet are for things like the Patriot act and NDAA which violate the Constitution. You are either for the Constitution or not. You hatred for Obama blinds you. Remember while Bush was president the left blamed everything on Bush, hell even after he has been gone they still blame him. You people are doing the same to Obama. Its the same blind passion. Dont get me wrong Obama is horrible but I am not looking at the man, I am looking at the policies. Obama and Romney’s policies are almost identical.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:05pm

      Yup. For me personally, it’s either Paul or this guy:

      Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party. Yeah, I can hear the laughter… but just for the hell of it… LISTEN… and tell me PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES like this AREN’T DAMN REFRESHING!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1WxNWkSMo

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:16pm

      i can not understand how someone can accept the the bs over and over…

      thanks for link, heII, i would vote for a dead cat at this point.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:24pm

      @Brother
      I voted constitution party last time. This guy is from my home state – but he is no Chuck Baldwin

      Why you picking this guy over Gary Johnson?

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    • teeman1091
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:31pm

      Romney and Obama are identical?? They are both Puppets to same master?? Posters like Mutiny,Die Hard, and others who say these things have already given up on the dream we all share
      of restoring sanity and reason to our Nation. Mitt Romney is a man of character,who has been successfull in every aspect of his life.He has worked hard,built a business,employed people,and been faithfull to his wife as well as his church. Obama….is anti-American to his core. Enough of the NWO cospiracy theories.These Two are polar opposites.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:44pm

      @tee

      To be honest I dont care if he has been faithful to his wife and church. I dont care about him being a good guy. We need economic change or we will be bankrupt.

      If we fall into bankruptcy the dollar is unpinned from oil and the dollar becomes worthless. We are the only thing stopping the IMF from creating a global government. Once we are gone, everyone will beg for them to save us. So no I will not support Romney or Obama. The only way to stop bankruptcy at this point is to stop the spending. Romney’s budget doesnt even cut current spending levels.

      Oh and one last thing. Most Ron Paul supporters warned the GOP that we would not support the other candidates. Did you people think we were kidding? Ron Paul was your only chance to rid yourself of Obama and you people fell for the NWO puppet Romney.

      Good luck, I am prepped and ready. Are you?

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  • Winghunter
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:46pm

    Romney’s Record on Judicial and Legal Appointments: Can he be trusted as President to appoint conservatives to the Courts and Justice Department? http://www.amycontrada.com/Romney_s_Judiciary.html
    “Homosexual and transgender activists played major roles in Governor Romney’s campaign, transition team, and Departments of Public Health, Social Services, and Education. They pushed their policies and propaganda into state agencies, medical offices, and public schools at every level…Romney appointed at least two homosexual activist judges, and even bragged about it…”

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:41pm

    I don’t care what romney thinks about this. we lost our country our freedom our liberty the day this court ruling came out. I will vote for him because he is better than obama not because I believe he will do any great things but because I believe the damage will be less than what obama will bring.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:52pm

      Mitt takes on down the same road as Obama just at a different speed. The only way to correct this is for the GOP to see we are not going to just go with the lesser of two evils every election. The only way they will see that is by a voting mutiny.

      If Obama wins. We lose. We are bankrupt within the next decade.

      If Romney wins. We lose. We are bankrupt within the next decade.

      2016 is our last chance. If Obama wins he could become like Putin and basically become a king of sorts. If Romney wins we will get him for 8 more years continuing the same polices as Obama.

      I will not vote for either of these men.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:08pm

      mutiny I wish you would reconsider your vote and just go with tyranny light and vote romney. the road to the end is faster with king obama. this may buy us a few more years but I cannot stand by and not vote, my conscience will not let me remain silent or numb on this the “great leader” needs a message sent that we all will not tolerate this. that is what my vote is being cast for.

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:32pm

      horse,
      really cannot do that…is kinda like having twin daughters and being asked which one has to go…

      i do not play that game.
      i know answer was abit harsh, but freedom and liberty are worth dy.i.n.g for…!

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:52pm

      So your solution is to go 50MPH toward the cliff rather than going 70MPH toward the cliff, to buy more time as you say. Problem is, we don’t know how far away that cliff really is and you may be dooming us regardless. What good is slowing down if the cliff is just a few feet in front of you. You need to take drastic direction change, turn the car around completely, not just slow it down.

      No compromise. No One But Paul.

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    • jsciai
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:22pm

      Mutiny, blazerunner, american solder, west cast patriot, bro winston, etc–obamaton trolls all.
      They spew words like liberty, freedom, etc, while pushing a course of action that will guarantee obama’s re-election. I’ll take Romney over any other candidate since he will beat obama. If we give him the senate and house there will be a tremendous change back to the right. Aren any of you readers questioning why they are working so hard against Romney? They profess Paul but we all know another 4 years of obama is their goal. Their posts are cut and past from huffpo and don’t truly offer viable options. They just want to tear down Romeny. What would an obama supporter do different? Nothing.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:29pm

      @JSCIAI These people are not Obama trolls..They have been for liberty and freedom and for Ron Paul since this thing started..the thing is..they will vote their conscience..and if Obama gets in..so what? It won’t be any different than Obama..They both work toward the NWO/Communist/Fascist goals..these are just a people whose character resembles those of our forefathers..not gutless wonders. Iceland threw out the NWO..we can too. http://www.freedumbnation.com/?p=2369

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    • Sunnyy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:42pm

      @JSCIAI

      I think you might be right.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:04am

      @JSC

      Please explain what tremendous change Romney has promised?

      1. Has he vowed to remove us from the UN? No, that was Ron Paul.
      2. Has he vowed to phase out and end the FED? No, that was Ron Paul.
      3. Has he vowed to bring out troops home and stop these pointless wars? No, that was Ron Paul.
      4. Has he vowed to try and repeal the Patriot act and the NDAA? No. that was Ron Paul.
      5. Has he vowed to stop the TSA from molesting American citizens? No, that was Ron Paul.
      6. Has he vowed to balance the budget in three years and cut one trillion dollars in year one? No, that was Ron Paul.

      7. He has though been pro choice up until the last 5 years and even said on Meet the press he is pro life from a political stand point.
      8. He supports gun control laws.
      9. He wants to “repeal and replace” Obama/Romneycare even though in 2009 he said he was glad Obama was using his plan.
      10. He is for amnesty.

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    • jsciai
      Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:49am

      Muttiny,
      I agree with many of the points you posted, but disagree with others. Sure, I would like to see the wars end–maybe you should be an envoy to our enemies, eh? Sure I would like the Fed to be reigned in, and be replaced with what? Oh yeah, I would love to have the budget balanced in 3 years–to heck with that, make me president and I’ll do it in 1 year! Right…. But hitting the brakes too hard can be just as damaging as pushing the gas pedal too hard. RP wouldn’t understand that but Romney would. As for the other misrepresentations and half truths everyone can go to http://whyromney.com/ and make up their own minds. I can’t wait for Dr. Paul to endorse Romney. Then where will you go?
      Nonetheless, your course of action will guarrantee obama’s re-election. That’s why most folks think you paulbots are nuts.

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  • snapperman
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:39pm

    Fehrnstrohm should resign – and as for tax or penalty in MA health insurance, that’s an entirely different proposition so it can be a penalty and be legal.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Why do you think he should resign? I’m not understanding.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:19pm

      KENSZEN, May I suggest that you dislodge your head from your fourth point of contact and do a little reading about Fehrnstrohm. Then again, you probably like him about as much as you love 0bama.

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  • randy
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:38pm

    In 1957, at the height of McCarthyism, the Georgia General Assembly passed a joint resolution calling for “The Impeachment of Certain U.S. Supreme Court Justices” believed to be enabling Communism with their decisions. The resolution targeted Chief Justice Earl Warren and Associate Justices Hugo Black, William O. Douglas, Tom Campbell Clark, Felix Frankfurter, and Stanley Forman Reed (as well as several unnamed deceased Justices) for “…[usurping] the congressional power to make law in violation of Article I, Sections I and 8, and violated Sections 3 and 5 of the 14th Amendment and nullified the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.”

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:57pm

      Toilet paper in the Georgia Statehouse had more of a purpose than that resolution. Of course it might also be in reaction the the Brown and other Civil Right decisions the court was handing down.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:07pm

      Notice that most of those guys are what remained when FDR stacked the court. Eisenhower screwed us with one as well Truman.

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    • randy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:33pm

      @ENCINOM

      And from what I see, what you find on toilet paper has more of a purpose than you. Moron.

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    • TheBurningTruth
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:08pm

      You really need to do a little research before blathering on. McCarthy was censured by Congress on Dec 2nd 1954 by a vote of 67 to 22. He lost his chairmanship of the Government Committee on Operations of the Senate shortly thereafter. The era of “McCarthyism” ended there.

      With your assertion that McCarthyism was “at its peak” in 1957 a full 3 years AFTER the censure vote, one must question everything about your post.

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:36pm

    LIE:
    “Now he’s the GOP nominee for President,”
    TRUTH:
    LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE, SOCIALIST, ANTI-AMERICAN Romney IS NOT THE NOMINEE. DOCTOR Ron Paul is still in the race, EVEN WITH THE LEFTIST REPUBLICAN CHEATING.

    Romneycare is MANDATORY, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY-FUNDED, UN-AMERICAN, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE, UNFAIR, IDIOTIC and DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE – LOW QUALITY – HIGH COST!!!

    Obamacare is MANDATORY, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UN-AMERICAN, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE, UNFAIR, IDIOTIC and DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE – LOW QUALITY – HIGH COST!!!

    Paulcare? Free-market, INDIVIDUALISTIC healthcare – HIGH QUALITY – LOW COST!!!!

    Ron Paul 2012! NO EXCUSES!

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    • Winghunter
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:49pm

      That’s right. There are no excuses for you:

      To Get Ron Paul’s Insanity, You Have To Understand Libertarianism
      “Libertarianism is to authentic conservatism what Barack Obama is to 19th century liberalism” http://bit.ly/vBBvkk

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:27pm

      romney is obamawhite.

      all know it , policies are identical.

      what do we do with the voter fraud, pre-programmed diebolds, illegals, cartoon voting etcetcetc…?

      i see no other way than million plus armed americans on dc…time is running out.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:33pm

      Ron Paul’s Insanity:

      Legalize drugs

      Open Borders:

      “The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,”

      Paul also said he was against laws that require immigrants to carry proof of legal status.

      Spending OUR money:

      $8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.
      $2.5 million from taxpayers for “new benches, trash receptacles, bike racks, decorative street lighting.”
      $2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an “Economically Disadvantaged” area.
      $2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a “Revelation Missionary Baptist Community Outreach Center.”
      $38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to “encourage parents to read aloud to their children.”
      $18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary Engineering Phase (light rail).
      $4 million from federal taxpayers for the “Trails and Sidewalks Connectivity Initiative.”
      $11 million from federal taxpayers for a “Community-Based Job Training Program.”
      $2 million from federal taxpayers for a “Clean Energy” pilot project.
      $5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.
      $1.2 million for a “Low-income working families Day Care Program”
      $4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.

      National Security = Neville Chamberlain

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:48pm

      @therealconservative (FAKE-conservative)

      LIE:
      “Legalize drugs”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul seeks to END the ILLEGAL “War on Drugs,“ RESTORE the 10th Amendment and return the CONSTITUTIONAL STATE RESPONSIBILITY to manage ”drugs”… and alcohol, raw milk, fat, salt, sugar, etc.

      LIE:
      “Open Borders”
      TRUTH:
      NO AMNESTY, NO DREAM AMNESTY, NO “BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP,” NO WELFARE MAGNET AND BRING TROOPS HOME FROM PRESERVING OTHER BORDER… TO PRESERVE OUR OWN!

      LIE:
      “Spending OUR money”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul relays HIS CONSTITUENCY’S requests (his JOB AS REP), but neither SUPPORTS THEM, NOR VOTES FOR THEM.

      LIE:
      “National Security = Neville Chamberlain”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul’s noninterventionist foreign policy STRENGTHENS OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE. The Romney/Obama/republican/democrat ISOLATIONIST foreign policy of welfare, warfare, propping up and tearing down… well… I’ll let the BLOODY, BANKRUPTING REALITY of the LAST DECADE illustrate the truth.

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:15pm

      Paul will not be on the ballot, get over it.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:16pm

      @BROTHER WINSTON SMITH Great Posts!!..I am writing Ron Paul on the ballot when I go to the polls this November!!.

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Ron Paul relays HIS CONSTITUENCY’S requests (his JOB AS REP), but neither SUPPORTS THEM, NOR VOTES FOR THEM.
      =============
      Lie

      A reps job is not to put in personal pork projects in his district than taxpayers from all over the US have to pay for. He puts them in and votes no knowing full well they will pass. In my book he is a liar.

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    • RonPaulOrNoOne
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:22pm

      @therealconservative – More people die off alcohol and prescribed pills. So do me favor and stop acting like a hypocrite.

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:25pm

      @booger71 – Ron Paul will too be on the ballot and you republicans are going to have such a hard time Tampa electing Romney.

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    • Neils60
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:23pm

      Here’s a question for all of you “Paulistas”. Why is Rand Paul, Ron’s son, 100% in support of Mitt Romney for President of the United States? In other words, why would the son of a viable presidential candiate support his opponent? Could it be because he thinks his dad’s best days are far, far, far behind him? Or, that his best days never existed in the first place? Just asking?

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:17am

      @neil

      Well for one in his statement he said his number one choice was his dad Ron Paul. His endorsement of Romney makes complete sense. I dont believe the liberty movement or Rand Paul believe Romney can beat Obama. This endorsement was move the liberty movement past Ron Paul and on to the future.

      Think about it, Rand doesnt endorse Romney. The GOP can blame Rand Paul and punish and ignore him like the did his father. I didnt like the endorsement, but I understand it. This was move made for 2016.

      Honestly, you anti Paul people are unreal. Can you honestly say Ron Paul has been wrong on most of our problems for the past 30 years? Hell most of you would have no clue about the FED if not for Ron Paul. He predicted 911 and the housing bubble. Do you know why he has such support? He uses common sense. That is something lacking in Washington.

      As far as his stance on drugs. That is a state issue. Has the “war on drugs” worked? No we have spent a trillion dollars and still have drugs here. Seriously you people cannot be this stupid.

      As far as the wars, well has the Iraq and Afghanistan wars been worth it? Trillions of dollars in debt, thousands of troops lives, countless wounded, and still a commitment for more? Has it protected Israel? To say they have been worth it means you are insane. To say Israel is safer today than 10 years ago is laughable.

      You people need to wake up. Romney isnt getting my vote. You people deserve Obama.

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  • TRILO
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:34pm

    Romney had best keep quiet on the entire thing. He just needs to say the decision was bad and move on. He will never get away from the fact that he put in place Romneycare (I do not care if MA is liberal or a center of innovation). It does not matter that he uses the argument of State rights as most sheeple have no clue what he even means when he says it. Second, the Republicans all along were calling it a tax and TOTUS was not. Plus, the tax, penalty, shove it up your you know what fee, or what ever else you call it does not go into effect until 2013… after the election so no one will feel the impact.

    When you have a country where 46+% do not even pay a federal income tax, coupled with the idea that this is somehow a “tax on the rich” and we the poor down trodden masses deserve this; who do you think will benefit? TOTUS of course.

    As far as Romney and any vote he takes is all based on politics, money and influence and not principle. Every position he has taken over the past 5+ years has changed based upon the finger test. Unfortunately most of us just get the middle finger in the end.

    Pro Choice then Pro Life,
    TARP good / TARP bad
    FED doing good/ Audit the FED
    Romneycare good/Obamacare bad
    Cut costs good / Cutting costs will cause a depression
    Cut government/add a Trillion to defense
    Defend freedom and liberty/ agree with NDAA, Patriot Act, drones on USA soil
    On, and on, and on….

    I still have not figured out where this guy stands on anythi

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:39pm

      he is not obama. I would vote for my horse or dog over obama that is where I believe most of us stand

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:58pm

      B.W.Smith You must keep this copied in your clipboard or something so you can just paste it.

      Blah blah blah, Ron Paul is our savior, blah, blah, blah, blah.

      Ron Paul stands for many noble virtues. But he also stands for some that are not. He is NOT our savior. Never was. Never will be. No matter how much you want to wish it to happen. Threatened law suits or not. I’m not happy that Romney is our choice, but RP will never be my personal choice, nor will he ever be a majority of this nations’s choice.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:10pm

      brother ron paul stands no chance. there comes a time when we have to face the reality with which we are dealing, you voting ron paul is a vote for obama. that is the bottom line no matter how much we all dislike the choices we have been given, one must face it and go with the slower road to destruction and send the tyrant a message, romeny it is for me.

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:34pm

      I’m SO tired of all of the Ron Paul stuff….even his OWN son is supporting Romney. Ron hasn’t won ONE state in the primary and ALL he has EVER done in Congress is vote NO. Would I prefer a better candidate than Romney????…NOT yes but H*LL yes…but Romney WILL be the nominee. I’m sending my donations to conservative candidates who are running for Senate in 2012. We WILL hold the House….Romney WILL win the election and we NEED the SENATE….even with a SLIM MAJORITY we WILL be able to get things done.

      To ALL of those who keep saying I will NOT vote…. then DON’T complain….i’m starting to think that some of you are actually Obama supporters anyway.

      THIS election comes down to ONLY 1 decision…you either vote for government rationed healthcare OR personal liberty….

      All of you Paul supporters can attack me in 1 2 3 4…….
      but I do NOT care….I have read ALL of your posts and they always say the exact same things.
      You are ALL negative…negative….negative
      I choose to be POSITIVE and fight for what I believe in……. AMERICA…the Patriots of this GREAT COUNTRY….CAN and WILL turn America around….you are either WITH US or AGAINST US.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:59pm

      KENSZEN
      “nor will he ever be a majority of this nations’s choice.”

      Good thing we live in a republic rather than a democracy.

      “IT DOES NOT TAKE A MAJORITY TO PREVAIL … BUT RATHER AN IRATE, TIRELESS MINORITY, KEEN ON SETTING BRUSHFIRES OF FREEDOM IN THE MINDS OF MEN.” ~SAMUEL ADAMS

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:00pm

      HorseCrazy

      LIE:
      “ron paul stands no chance.”
      TRUTH:
      This is, and HAS BEEN Goebbels / Tokyo Rose REPEATED gibberish. It’s designs to wrestle PERCEPTION into a reality.

      LIE:
      “voting ron paul is a vote for obama.”
      TRUTH:
      A CHEAT-nominated LEFTIST Romney, is an INSTANT REELECTED LEFTIST Obama.

      GIBBERISH:
      “send the tyrant a message”
      TRUTH:
      The message being… “I submit, Massa’. Gimme ANY LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST and I‘z vote fo’ ‘em. Trus’ in me, Massa’! I’z do it, juz like you want!”

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    • theblazerunner
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:07pm

      I.Heart.America,
      dont know you, you dont know me ….
      am sure would be back to back in a street fight.

      really do not care who you vote for …is your choice.

      just looking for truth , so that the people are allowed to make an informed choice.

      just tired of the bs…

      peace.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:23pm

      I.Heart.America (while.my.DEEDS.destroy.America)

      LIE:
      “ALL he has EVER done in Congress is vote NO”
      TRUTH:
      Paul has INTRODUCED HUNDREDS of Constitution-restoring bills. But the FAKE-conservative republicans HAVE NO INTENTION OF RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY, so they ignore them.

      YOUR PREDICTION:
      “Romney WILL be the nominee”
      MY PREDICTION:
      With each day that passes, Americans, OF ALL PERSUASIONS, are understanding what juicy fruit their TREE OF CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY YEILDS, and, ANGERED AT THE SIGHT OF THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANSPLUCKING IT CLEAN, will shift energized support toward Ron Paul in Tampa.

      REPEATED PROMISE:
      “we WILL be able to get things done.”
      REPEATED OUTCOME:
      Republicans ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE AND WILL DO NOTHING TO REVERSE OUR CURRENT COURSE. HISTORY PROVES THIS.

      INVERTED STATEMENT:
      “To ALL of those who keep saying I will NOT vote [for LEFTIST Romney]…. then DON’T complain”
      CORRECTED STATEMENT:
      To ALL of those who keep VOTING FOR LESSER EVILS…. DON’T complain ABOUT EVIL!!!!!!

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:24pm

      I.Heart.America (while.my.DEEDS.destroy.America)

      ALINSKY SMEARING:
      “i’m starting to think that some of you are actually Obama supporters anyway.”
      WHY:
      When a fake-conservative CANNOT refute fact, they often shift into personal smears and accusations, as a way of REDIRECTING AWAY from those pesky truths.

      LAUGHABLE DISHONESTY:
      “THIS election comes down to ONLY 1 decision…you either vote for government rationed healthcare OR personal liberty….”
      TRUTH:
      Romneycare and Obamacare are BOTH MANDATED, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE, PUNISHING, ANTI-AMERICAN, BANKRUPTING, UNFAIR, ILLEGAL ALIEN – TREATING PLANNED HEALTHCARE.

      FALSE MAYTER TACTIC:
      “All of you Paul supporters can attack me”
      TRUTH:
      It is THE RON PAUL folks who are “attacked” by FAKE-conservative leftists.

      LIE:
      “I choose to be POSITIVE and fight for what I believe in”
      TRUTH:
      You are REJECTING WHAT YOU CLAIM TO STAND FOR… to BEND OVER for ANOTHER “lesser evil.” You are SURRENDERING!

      MEANINGLESS BUMPER STICKER MUMBO-JUMBO:
      “AMERICA…the Patriots of this GREAT COUNTRY….CAN and WILL turn America around….you are either WITH US or AGAINST US.”
      WHY?
      When a fake-conservative is faced with the STENCH of their complete surrender, they will often try sugar-coat it with Americana t shirt phrases to make it SEEM “patriotic” to sell out our nation.

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:27pm

      stop telling me Ron Paul has no chance. If the Tampa Convention foes Romney than you can come tell me that. but right now you are not convincing me to vote Romney. Any one for the NDAA will never get my vote anyways so Romney better start speaking up.

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:00pm

      “We cannot just elect any Republicans to do this. We‘ve seen what happens when we send Republicans to Washington who don’t truly believe in the principles of freedom. They back down, make excuses and refuse to fight against the big-government agenda”.

      “We must support true conservatives who can be trusted to repeal ObamaCare. ALL OF IT”

      Senator Jim DeMint of S. C. founder of The Senate Conservative Fund

      Please sign his petition: REPEAL IT ALL…and support HIS conservative candidate picks..
      http://www.repealitall.com/?c=bd1260e8bc77e978f374a01a1f8338d5

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    • JediKnight
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:23pm

      “Pro Choice then Pro Life,
      TARP good / TARP bad
      FED doing good/ Audit the FED
      Romneycare good/Obamacare bad
      Cut costs good / Cutting costs will cause a depression
      Cut government/add a Trillion to defense
      Defend freedom and liberty/ agree with NDAA, Patriot Act, drones on USA soil
      On, and on, and on….”

      So apparently you’ve never changed your mind? I can tell you that I had a similar “conversion” when it came to being pro-life. I was pro-life with exceptions before I was completely pro-life (no exceptions).

      I‘m pretty sure he’s still in favor of TARP. He was against the auto bailout and for TARP (bank bailout). This hasn’t changed.

      He’s never campaigned on “audit the fed”. No one but Ron Paul has campaigned on that.

      He has consistently said that Obamacare is bad because it’s at the federal level. Even Ron Paul cannot argue against Romneycare because it falls squarely into states rights and that’s exactly what Ron Paul stands for.

      Finally, he has consistently been in favor of making government work better. If you’re too blind to see that that will invariably cut costs, then I can’t help you. The fact is that if you computerize and automate tasks, you’ll cut costs. That alone won’t solve our problems, but it’s a start.

      Romney isn’t going to turn us around right away, but I do believe he can slow us down and start bringing us back. The PaulBots seem to be practically in favor of a revolution in order to cut back the Federal g

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  • richauthor
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:33pm

    The more I learned about the Healthcare debate from the Supreme Court, the more confused I got. But I settled in and began to accept the premise of it being a tax, choosing to think of the disadvantages to Barack Hussein Obama and the advantages to Mitt Romney. It was a slam dunk for me! I actually began to think that Justice Roberts just might be a brilliant conservative strategist. And NOW? Mitt says it wasn’t a tax? Could someone on this wagon train please tell the main wagon to stay on the trail? It’s getting very bumpy back here!

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:53pm

      Do not be deceived by conservative pundits’ (incl. the article here on The Blaze) that is trying to find the “silver lining” in this decision. It is a BAD decision. An egregious one. Even if Obamacare is repealed, we still have to live with this total affront to the Constitution. It is not a slam dunk. It is not a “brilliant” move by Roberts. It is just a selfish, ignorant, and horrible decision any way you look at it.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:15pm

      Ken you are correct. It was the decision that demolished liberty in this nation. Besides Roe V Wade this is the worst thing the court has done for liberty. They handed the government power over us beyond their wildest imagination. The justices voted against the constitution that day, against our freedom, they spit in the face of those who fought and died for us to be the land of the free. We now have no one left to protect us from tyranny pure and simple. If the supreme court of the land cannot look at the constitution and uphold their sworn duties we are done as a nation no matter who wants to spin it thats the facts.

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    • Look4DBigPicture
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:35pm

      This was upsetting to watch, but I think I‘m getting where the Romney camp is headed by agreeing with Obama that it’s a mandate.

      If the Democrats keep insisting that it’s a mandated penalty and not a tax, and the Supreme Court declares Obamacare to be unconstitutional UNLESS it’s a tax, then … DONE … WE WON!

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  • Polarized America
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:30pm

    It’s a TAX… no It’s a Penalty ..no It’s a Tax ….who CARES it still cost the same !!!!
    Lets make it feel warm and fuzzy and call it a .. Contribution…..what a joke

    Lets have a Tea Party … * sign ….:-(

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:37pm

      Romney needs to make sure its not a tax, if it was a tax than in his 2009 op-ed piece he suggested a tax when he suggested the mandate and he raised the largest tax increase in Mass when he passed Romneycare.

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    • teaisstronger
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:40pm

      Romney better start working on his November concession speech to Obama. Romney does not have his voice or the the desire to win. He has no plan on anything. He could not even respond Presidential with the Obama care decision. Its clear as can be why Democrats worked so hard to make sure Romney was the GOP candidate. The GOP made a deal with Democrats to no longer challenge them on the Oval Office in exchange for enough Senate Seats so they can be important.

      Just like the DC Power Outage, we Americans are now on our own. We do not have any government anymore.

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    • slr4528
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Romneycare is so different than Obamacare. First of all 87% of the legislature were liberals and they were originally screaming for a single payer system in MA and Romney convinced them to keep everything the same and just charge the 8% of the uninsured with a penalty if they did not have healthcare. The bottom line is the majority of MA citizens wanted the bill with the penalty or tax,unlike Obamacare which was a tax or I should say 21 new taxes shoved down the American’s throat through lies and trickery along partisan lines.

      Romney should argue this along the lines that there are now 21 new taxes that will greatly impact the middle class. The Romney Team really needs to highlight all of these new taxes because most people are only aware of the Mandate tax and not the other 20 taxes.

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:23pm

      EncinoMom

      Your tend to forget that that Mass is a state, not a country, and it was constitutional according to the Mass law. Any Mass resident could go to another state if they do not agree with it. A one sized fits all law like ObammyCare, you can’t escape it. Kind of a big difference.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:33pm

      slr4528
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Romneycare is so different than Obamacare.
      ============================================

      Maybe so……however, the federal government has been and is still picking up almost 2/3 of the cost of Romneycare for the past 5 years:

      ——————————–
      “The rest of the tab is covered by federal reimbursements, and by hospitals and insurers.

      Over the five-year life of the new law, total cost has been $9 billion, with the federal government picking up nearly 64 percent of the cost, the state’s share is more than 18 percent, and the remaining 18 percent split by hospitals and insurers, who pass it along to their customers, to pay into the Health Safety Net fund, which reimburses providers for treating the uninsured. The federal share consists of the usual 50 percent reimbursement for Medicaid, supplemented by stimulus money and additional funds awarded the state for its innovative program to subsidize insurance of the working poor.

      Many of the more than 400,000 Massachusetts residents who have become insured since the law’s enactment receive coverage paid in whole or in part with public funds.”
      http://articles.boston.com/2012-03-01/health-wellness/31232970_1_mitt-romney-health-care-massachusetts-overhaul/4

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  • GoodStuff
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:26pm

    The only way to repeal Obamacare now is by having Romney the president and 50 GOP Senators (VP breaks the tie). If it’s a tax, is can be repealed with only 51 votes in the Senate, using reconciliation.

    This advisor is a flaming moron. He’s the same one who used the phrase etch-a-sketch.

    Contact the Romney camp and tell them to fire Eric Fehrnstrom:

    http://www.mittromney.com/forms/suggestions

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:35pm

      @GoodStuff
      “Contact the Romney camp and tell them to fire Eric Fehrnstrom:”

      Should have been done long ago….

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:16pm

      MONK, man have you got that right. Fehrnstrom is an even larger millstone around Romney’s neck, that Romney is himself.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:20am

      I agree the guy is a moron. Doesnt that bring questions to Romney’s leadership choices if this is best he can bring in?

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  • slr4528
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:25pm

    I will let Romney get away with stating that he agreed with the SC dissent that the mandate was not a tax but Romney had better emphasize the other 20 taxes contained within the bill. 12 out of twenty of the 20 taxes will impact those families making under $120,000. I agree with others that this Bill should be referred to as the ObamaTAX bill due to all of the additional taxes contained within the Bill. Romney’s team really needs to focus in on these because I think people are oblivious to these additional taxes. They believe that there is only the mandate,penalty or tax or whatever you want to call it.
    The additional taxes are in this link:
    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/obamacare-21-new-or-higher-taxes.html

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    • Thatsitivehadenough
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:40pm

      I think the enemies of the Republic are winning because clearly, no one knows if it’s a tax or a penalty. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be such disagreement. It’s still an opinion. If it’s a tax, the bill is dead because tax bills have to originate in the House, and this bill originated in the senate. If it’s a penalty, then Congress, any Congress, was given the right to take money for whatever reason they can can dream up.

      We are screwed either way. All of us. They’ve managed to make both the constitution and the Supreme Court obsolete. As far a I can surmise.

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  • KidCharlemagne
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:25pm

    The past two Republican presidents (George W. and George HW Bush) have been the ones responsible for appointing the pivotal Supreme Court justices in the two biggest blockbuster cases that have been decided since Roe Vs. Wade:

    1. (2005) Kelo vs. City of New London (Justice David Souter sides with liberals on their rather broad interpretation of Eminent Domain)

    2. (2012) Obamacare (Justice John Roberts sides with the liberals on the individual mandate)

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:17pm

    Here’s what happens now that the mandate is officially a tax. It was meant to pay for the “pre-existing conditions” mandated in Obamacare. The insurance companies were counting on that money to keep premiums down. What happens now is that the IRS and the Federal Government get that money, NOT the Insurance Companies. Guess what happens to your premiums? Guess what employers say about new hires?
    Has anyone noticed how Obama’s been tempering his defense of Obamcare with “fix what needs fixing”? What Obama’s saying is that he wants his pig to be constantly paraded around with fresh lipstick so he can say “there you go fixed”..new lipstick..”ok NOW its’ fixed”..new lipstick..“ok ”NOW it’s fixed”..and on and on. It‘s an abysmal piece of legislation fraught with pitfalls and high costs and Obama’s trying to hold back the tide until after November…and he’s not succeeding.

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  • showmerancher
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:12pm

    In America we have Freedom of Choice. We can choose to vote for the overt Liberals (Democrats) or the closet Liberals (Republicans). I suggest that on Wednesday, July 4 you make your own Declaration of Independence, and decide to write in a vote for your mother for President (and tell her). I contend that in the long run, that vote would ultimately enhance your life far more than any other choice you could make; and will probably prevent you from a terrible case of “buyer’s remorse” later from a candidate destined to disappoint you.

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  • YoshiFD3S
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:10pm

    I’m not just just how much I buy into the “Princple over politics” notion here….seeing as how there are OBVIOUS advantages to Romney’s decision…

    But nonetheless I AM happy to see that even Romney is at least not simple-minded enough to jump on the first band-wagon of calling Obamacare a “tax”.

    As The Blaze article itself suggests….Romney is definitely making the smarter decision.

    I look forward to the presidential debates…Romney is just as smooth-talking as Obama and won’t let him slither out of THIS one.

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:18pm

      If Romney called it a tax than he advocated for a tax in his 2009 op-ed piece, which he called for the Obamacare mandate.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:57am

      You’re not getting it ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO….it makes perfect sense for Romney to be saying it’s not a tax. It has nothing to do with Romneycare. It has to do with putting Obama in a difficult position. It also galvanizes conservatives to him.
      The reality is it‘s not a tax because it’s trying to tax inactivity. This is the point Romney is making while the RNC and the superpacs hammer away at Obama breaking his word and imposing the biggest “tax” on the middle class in US history. But constitutionally the mandate cannot be anything but a tax for it to remain in Obamacare. You see what Romney’s doing champ?

      The reality is that the SCOTUS opened the door for outrageous overreaches of the tax code in calling the individual mandate a tax, but constitutionally it cannot exist without being a tax. And now liberals can’t abuse the commerce clause either. Romney it thinking 4 or 5 movies ahead while you lefty idiots flail away like beached fish right now. “Free riders”, “it’s a penality”, “it’s only one percent of Americans affected by the penalty”…LOL. And who are those “one percent free riders” champ? Those making under $250K…LOL.

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  • Micmac
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:09pm

    A tax is the result of a purchase. If you don’t buy something, then taxes are irrelevant. What’s so hard about understanding this? But Roberts politicized the SCOTUS with his decision, which has no foundation. He has opened up a huge can of worms for future rulings. He will go down in history in a negative way.

    If Romney is elected it will be the same ol’, same ol’. He is a pure Kennedy democrat… like Arnold.

    NoBama 2012

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:01pm

      Not quite–a SALES tax is the result of a purchase. We have taxes not a result of a purchase. The income tax being the daddy of them all.

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    • EM2T93
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:15pm

      What will be the ramifications of this tax? It does not fall under any named tax, such as the sales tax, income tax, excise tax…etc…and, even if obamatax is repealed, are we still stuck with this unlimited tax on things we don’t do or buy?

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  • justsomesense
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:07pm

    That dog don’t hunt. This is unconstitutional whether it is as penalty or a tax. Stop assigning brilliance to Roberts that isn’t there. He could have sided with the other 4 and we wouldn’t be talking about this. Read his friggin opinion. I have never read such doublespeak in my life. It is a tax, but it isn’t a tax. Pleeeeeeeaaaasssseeee. IMO

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:16pm

      Romney just undercut hte GOP/FOX NEWS/BECK talking points for the last few days. The Presidential candidate for your party just said its not a tax, therefore you can not charge Obama with raising taxes unless you want to undermine your candidate (who would be guilty of raise taxes in MA than.)

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    • markntx
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:18pm

      Thank you. I’m tired of all the distracting conversations. Tax or mandate. Good idea or bad idea. Floor wax or desert topping. IT DOESN’T MATTER. IT’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Done. No discussion needed.

      http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/shimmer-floor-wax/17ww2w99h

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:27pm

      But it’s not a tax ENCIDIOT…isn’t that what your liberal talking heads have been saying all weekend? But it is a tax though isn’t it champ? It‘s the only way it can be constitutional is if it’s a tax. A “penalty” is unconstitutional. Are you saying your president is backing an unconstitutional measure? The only way he can preserve Obamacare is by accepting the SCOTUS decision that it’s a tax. The IRS will be collecting it based on earnings. The funds will be going to the Federal Government, not the Insurance Companies as the mandate said would take place. This means premiums go up.
      The States can opt out of the Medicaid expansion without fear of penalites so those “30 million people” sorry…“free riders” are not guaranteed anything now are they?
      You‘ve got quite a dilemma on your hands haven’t you ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO?

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:32pm

      Actually, it IS CONSTITUTIONAL, the Court issued its ruling, you are wrong, good day sir.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:47am

      No no ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO….you’re still having trouble saying the “T” word aren’t you? It‘s ONLY CONSTITUTIONAL IF IT’S A TAX NOT A PENALTY. Come on say it…

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  • sydneybond
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:05pm

    Romney 2012… Go Mitt!!

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  • MiCurmudgeon
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:01pm

    Start calling it the OBAMA HEALTH TAX !!!!!!! This is the only way it got through the Supremes!!

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:59pm

    I neglected to add…and with Romney’s position here…it also feeds into the conservative base that the SCOTUS got it wrong and will galvanize support to him. Meanwhile the RNC and the superpacs hammer away at “it’s a tax stupid”….brilliant stuff. It’s making Obama and the dems look like squealing pigs.

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:58pm

    And whatever Roberts’ motives were…that’s the beauty if his decision….Obama can’t win. Either Obama says it’s a penalty which makes it unconsitutional, or he says it‘s a tax which makes it the biggest tax hike on the middle class in US history and he’s broken his word..it’s his “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. If he insists it is a penalty then he’s backing an unconsitutional position..and this from a supposed constitutional law “professor”. If he agrees it’s a tax, he’s breaking his word. While the RNC and the superpacs hammer away at “it’s a tax stupid” (and is making headway with that), Romney sets up Obama for the one on one confrontations further down the track.
    Romney’s thinking 4 or 5 moves ahead, he’s not just thinking about scoring points in the current newscycle. Sooner or later, Obama himself will have to address it. He can’t say “free riders”, “only one percent of Americans” or “it’s a penalty”like his surrogates are doing…he’ll be eviscerated for it. He has to confront the fact that it‘s a tax or it’s unconsitutional. The more I‘m seeing of Romney the more I’m seeing a very smart campaign from him. He seems to be a very good strategist.

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    • Red Meat
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:02pm

      Murdoch was right. Mitt and his advisers are aholes.

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    • justsomesense
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:09pm

      This thing is unconstitutional whether it is a tax or penalty. Why not just rule like the other 4. Throw it all out.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:20pm

      It’s going to get thrown out..patience. Now that the mandate is a tax, it can’t be filibustered in congress, a straight up majority can repeal it. I‘m willing to bet that there’s enough dems up for re-election that will side with the GOP in the Senate to repeal it. Then it’s up to Obama to veto it…at which point he has to explain the biggest tax hike on the middle class in US history and why he chose to preserve it.

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  • nostromo
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:56pm

    Very sad indeed. The court handed Romney a club to beat Obama with the everyone could understand and he dropped it. Nuance is lost on the American voter who doesnt know the constitution and doesnt know much else outside of the reality shows.

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  • Die_Hard_Blazer
    Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:49pm

    You fools think good ‘ol Mitt is gonna do anything different than Obama? how bout Bush? Both parties are controlled by the same master…

    Now you can see proof!!!

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:30pm

      Then why are you here? Go live in a cave somewhere for the rest of your life.

      Now…where was my fetus burger??

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    • TruthonlyBeTold
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 11:56am

      You are so full of it. Such lies are not aceptable. Your lack of understanding and prejudice shows

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