The Real Deal on the U.S.-Israel Joint Mega-Drill Sending Military Message to Iranians
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Arrow 3 Defense Missile Launch Test (Photo credit: Israeli Defense Ministry via Israel Hayom)
A planned American-Israeli missile defense exercise is receiving special attention on the heels of a 10-day Iranian naval exercise and Iranian threats of closing the Strait of Hormuz through which a sixth of the world’s oil passes.
Before the weekend, the AP and other news outlets provided more details on the plans for the largest ever joint exercise between the countries that Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced last month. In a statement e-mailed to the press, the Israel Defense Forces tried to play down the timing of the announcement, calling such periodic exercises “routine:”
“These exercises, which are part of a long-standing strategic partnership, are planned in advance and part of a routine training cycle designed to improve the interoperability of our defense systems. Like other bi-lateral exercises, Austere Challenge 12 represents another milestone in the strategic relationship between the US and Israel, as well as a step forward in promoting regional stability.”
Trying to temper speculation the drill is in response to Iranian moves, the statement added:
“The exercise scenario involves notional, simulated events as well as some field training – and is not in response to any real-world event.”
Driving home the point, an IDF source tells The Blaze, “The exercise has been planned for at least two years and therefore has no relevance to any world events.”
The AP quoted a senior military official:
He said it would be the biggest missile defense drill ever held. He was speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue. The Israeli official said thousands of American and Israeli soldiers from different units would take part. He said the drill would test multiple Israeli and U.S. air defense systems against incoming missiles and rockets. Israel has deployed the “Arrow” system, jointly developed and funded with the U.S., designed to intercept Iranian missiles in the stratosphere, far from Israel.
In a speech last month, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta previewed the exercise, citing it as an example of what he called the administration’s “unprecedented levels of defense cooperation with Israel to back up our unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.”
On Sunday’s Face the Nation, Panetta stated two red lines for the U.S.:
“…our red line to Iran is do not develop a nuclear weapon. That’s a red line for us…I think they need to know that — that if they take that step — that they’re going to get stopped…We made very clear that the United States will not tolerate the blocking of the Straits of Hormuz. That’s another red line for us and that we will respond to them.”
Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey on the same show said he believes Iran has the capability, “for a period of time,” to block the Strait of Hormuz, “but we would take action and reopen the Straits.”
For some perspective, The Blaze spoke with Efraim Inbar, Director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University, who says that even if not intended as a response to Iranian moves:
“Any military exercise has political implications. The military organ is always connected to political even if that’s not the intention on the part of the Americans or Israelis. It’s a clear political signal to the bad guys. After we saw the military exercise by the Iranians last week, everybody with political sensitivity tends to believe this is a counter-flexing of muscle.”
In light of the large number of U.S. troops expected to participate, Inbar also addressed expressions of isolationism in the U.S., now gaining more media attention due to the presidential campaign of GOP candidate Ron Paul:
“This type of exercise expresses the importance of Israel to the U.S. particularly when the U.S. is seen as being weak in the region. It is leaving Iraq, it is on its way out of Afghanistan. Israel is probably the only place a U.S. military airplane will eventually be able to land … in the Middle East.”
“U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation is beneficial to both sides. The U.S. is a super power and we are a small state but in our area – contrary to what isolationists say in the U.S. – we all still need allies, or what used to be called ‘calling stations.’ Israeli ports are open to the U.S. In fact, the only port where the U.S. can probably bring ships safely in the Eastern Mediterranean is to Israel. Looking at the other countries: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, the Mediterranean is becoming an Islamist lake.”
In an interview to Israel Hayom, an Israeli Air Force officer emphasized not only Israel gains from the relationship: “The Americans are eager to conduct this exercise, we are their ‘laboratory’ in the field [of missile defense].” A laboratory because Israel has extensive firsthand experience absorbing incoming rockets and missiles from Hamas and Hezbollah and regularly activates its Iron Dome system to combat the threat.
The joint American-Israeli exercise, expected to occur in the spring, is just one of a number of weekend developments with a cumulative effect of sending warnings to Tehran. The Telegraph reported from London that the UK will deploy its largest warship, the HMS Daring, to the Persian Gulf to “send a significant message to the Iranians…” It will arrive later this month.
This as Reuters reported Western powers this week readied a contingency plan to tap a record volume from emergency stockpiles to replace nearly all the Gulf oil that would be lost if Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz.
The Iranians are continuing to convey signals of their own. Iran launched a military maneuver near its border with Afghanistan on Saturday called “Martyrs of Unity,” per the official FARS news agency, days after completing its naval exercises in the Gulf. It’s unclear if this was meant to send a message to U.S. and NATO troops serving there.
After the 10-day drill that ended last week, Iran announced it was planning another massive naval exercise in February dubbed “The Great Prophet.”
Additionally, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is visiting Latin American allies starting Sunday with Venezuela. Later, he travels to Nicaragua, Cuba and Ecuador.
And the head of Iran’s atomic energy program says a new uranium enrichment facility in Fordo near the holy city of Qom will soon become operational, and continues to insist its nuclear program is peaceful, even as the U.S. and its allies adopt new sanctions:
Emphasizing the stakes for Israel which Ahmadinejad has said should be destroyed, last week, the Jerusalem Post quoted IDF estimates that in the event of war, Israel could come under fire from as many as 15,000 missiles from Iran and its allies Hezbollah and Hamas.
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Comments (182)
albertaboy
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:39pmSomething is about to happen Brits send in ship to the gulf Cananda sending cruiser to the mediteranin and there loaded for Bear. Now its Mr Obamas play,God help us all
Report Post »fulcrum
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:43pmIt looks like Obama is trying to get back the Jewish vote before the elections?
Report Post »He’s been trying to separate him self ffrom Israel and the Brits since his term started, now misteriously he authorizes this.
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:54pmHe will get us into war and say it would not be a good idea to change horses in mid stream.Just like his idol FDR.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:02pmDon’t forget the Russians with their ship/s and China who also has a dog in this fight. All nations will come against Israel…its being played out before our very eyes just as scripture has said.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:03pmObama is playing politics for sure, but these things have a way of morphing into real hot Wars as the elect fiddle around.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:15pmEzekial 38:5 mentions a war with Persia (Iran) and many nations are involved.
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:53pmBO MUST GO – Your Correct – It sound Theological not Political. I too believe I read something about this in the Bible. The only advise I can give is, Pray Up, Pack Up and Look Up we’re going up soon.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:04amFulcrum, my thoughts exactly.
Report Post »Tomr
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:47amBO’s interests are not that of Israel but only to boost his relevancy as the election approaches. You will see this situation escalate in the spring months and most likely approach critical mass during the summer. The regime’s strategy is to move us ever closer to war as the election approaches, thus further increasing BO’s re-election chances. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:58amobama is very dangerous. he knows what his inaction has caused and if he agrees to take action it will not be a sufficent deterent to iran or anyone else. obama will get people killed overseas and in america.
Report Post »Publius
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:38pmIsrael, don’t let Leon Panetta too close to your strategy and preparedness info. He will turn it over to your enemies. Just like he did on the location of Seals who were shot down.
The Obama admin is NOT to be trusted. Your very survival may depend on it.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:36pm“In a speech last month, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta previewed the exercise, citing it as an example of what he called the administration’s “unprecedented levels of defense cooperation with Israel to back up our unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.”
Report Post »Brought to you by the so-called “anti-Israel” President, Barack Obama.
Skee
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:56am@ thirdArchon
Report Post »It’s called Jewish votes.
Obama has pulled a page out of Clinton’s playbook.
One needs to identify the groups of voters your able
to persuade then behave accordingly too get their votes.
“triangulation”.
cathynboernetx
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:32pmHas anyone ever read Vince Flynn’s “Protect and Defend”? It speaks directly to the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons, in an underground fortified facility no less…read the first few chapters. It could be taken out of today’s newspaper…
If you think for a minute that Israel isn’t on top of the Iranian nuclear weapons issue, you’ve been smoking something for a long time now.
Report Post »eschatologist
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:22pmhow about Operation #OccupyTehran (LOL)?
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:22pmWell. If we’re lucky, this’ll work out like the Iran hostage situation did the day that Carter was gone and Reagan was in…
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:33pmHaden (X NSA Chief) says Iran biggest threat to peace in 2012. OK! So they call for a drill to close the straights…practice mind you…we respond by moving Carrier X out of Gulf which of course enables it to operate on a better War footing and still within striking range, now troops move to Israel after said end of War in Iraq…see the pattern of Warfare here? Win-hold-Win strat has never gone away and this is what it looks like. Planners of old said we can win two major Wars simultaneously since we did during WWII, so we’ve tried to maintain that with all kinds of big time weapons. Now its back to basics somewhat to deal with Iran. Who will blink next?
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:00pmIf we stay, we’re overextended, if we leave we’ve perceived as weak…baloney.
Our boots on the ground in a place that never saw them before will be forever etched in time. We we’re always fearful of a War in that region before and after Vietnam….Now its been there, Done that.
We are not pulling out of the region, just moving on to the next logical front in a War of Terror that we did not start….that just so happens to be Israel. Ahhh! So thats how we get the whole world to pounce on Israel. Go there, show the mideast we are ONE and solidify their hatred ever more against both the big Satan and lil Satan.
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:14pmSome of you really need to do your homework. First off, China is the largest beneficiary or Iranian oil, do you really think they are gonna sit on the sidelines on this one. I think not. Secondly, the Iranian airforce is not the Iraqi airforce which was bombed into submission for years. I got news for ya folks, the Iranian Air Force will put a big dent into the American Naval Air Forces. The F-18 is not an air superiority/interceptor fighter like the F-14 was. The F-14 were faster then the F-18, and the F-18 Super Hornets will find it difficult to match up the new Russian Migs that Iran will deploy. If the Pentagon thinks this will be a cake walk like Iraq was they are very mistaken. Remember Iraq’s air force was already decimated after years of fighting with Iran and further decimated over the years of the no fly zone, prior to the invasion of Iraq. This is one fight that should not be fought, things could spiral out of control and drag the world into a 3rd World War.
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:22pmSounds like you are coming from a position of fear. No reason to start a war but we could creme them if we wanted to, especially if we went all out on them.
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:26pmFurthermore, did any genius at the Pentagon ever consider what would happen if a Nuke was detonated in the Persian Gulf. 4 carriers are currently there with full battle groups. The electronics and avionics would be destroyed by the EMP blast the Nuke would cause. Then guess what, all of that sophisticated military hardware is toast with no way to get home and sitting ducks for some speedboat with RPG’s and old fashioned Diesel submarines to pick off. Just something to nibble on but I’m sure they have taken that into consideration.
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:30pm@ Patrick Henry Not a position of fear, a position of common sense and reality. The number rule of war is to never underestimate your enemy. Assumption is the mother of all F’ Ups.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:34pmTBL, you are truly demented if you think the Iranians can even hope to last more than 5 minutes against our pilots. Western trained pilots are the best in the world, and have proved it time after time. Our technology is far superior to anything Iran has. Do you really think that the F14 is better than the F18? There is a reason why we don’t use it anymore, it’s old technology. It was AWESOME in its day, but it has become old. Also, the F14‘s they have aren’t being maintained, they can’t get spare parts. Most don’t fly anymore. The rest of the Russian and Chinese junk they have will get shot down, just like every other Arab air force that has faced us, or the Israelis.
Report Post »bdwatcher
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:41pmyess, China has trade agreements with Iran as Russia does too. It will not be a good end to initiate a war with Iran, That country knows we can take them down, not easily, not with the allies they have, but it can be done. What will happen in the South China Sea? There is other repurcussions, many that need to be realized before going to war again there.
Report Post »Freedom Hound
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:54pm. I am not sure what flawed information you are using to base your opinion on. The aircraft that Iran has in its arsenal is old and outdated. The MIG 29 dates back into the late 70′s as well as the aircraft that is American made. The newest in their fleet is manufactured by Iran themselves. They are hardly known for their prowess in technology.
Report Post »As far as an EMP from a nuclear detonation being an issue for US hardware, not to worry. All critical hardware and equipment is “hardened” to prevent the effects of an EMP in the electronics. Besides Irans equipment would also be affected by the EMP. With a detonation being in such close proximity to Iran, they have much more to lose in that scenario. Basically a total shutdown.
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:57pmWe have better tactics for air combat than Iran.Their pilots are just glorified camel jockies!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:06pmYour forgeting our Airforce F22 Raptors and unknowns (classifieds). Our F16s/ F15s can still give em a run for their money. Not to mention all the targeting from ships with cruise missiles. Those who have not seen always doubt.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:38pmChief, I think the Israelis shot down pretty much the entire Syrian air force in 82 using F15′s. I think it was over 100 kills to no losses. You are absolutely right, the air force 15‘s and 16’s are more than capable.
Report Post »dave928
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 11:34pmUmm… The Iranians don’t have but maybe ONE flyable F-14 that was left out of the handful that were delivered just before the fall of the Shah in the late 70′s. They haven’t been able to get parts for the things for over 30 years. F-14s are maintenance nightmares. This was one of the reasons they were replaced. I’m sorry but the Iranian Air Force is no match for any fully up to date western Air Force much less a full US Navy carrier complement. They might get a lucky shot off and down a handful of unlucky Hornets but just like the Iraqi Air Force did when the big boys showed up shooting, they’ll scatter and run.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:15amHrrrm….
There may be someting to this, but you don’t seem to account for avionics and electronic advantages we have. I’ll take a Lockeed latest generation F16 over any of their Migs….this includes the electronic missile and defense systems, see Raytheon and Boeing.
As far as EMP threats, I can assure you with all certainty the ALL major defense assets, including carriers, warships, planes, helicopters, and tanks employ Faraday defense principles against such a threat. It’s one of the advantages we have in the afforementioned topic I stated above.
Our advancememts in plane design affecting plane mobility and maneuvering have plateaued. Most latest generation planes of any make and model are pretty on par there. It’s our advancements in the systems and sensors on these units that has ahead by 15 years of any nation.
That said, wars are not won on battlefields or in dog fights, the are won in the mind. Just ask the Brits, they were a super power that lost a war against a nation with no navy, no established central command, limited rifle and ammunition stock piles, and only one third support of the enemy populace for the war.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:17amhttp://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hpm.htm
Report Post »BeckaBrwnEyes
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:41amI would rather go down fighting like an American than cower in fear. Whatever the outcome, we are Americans. Please remember that.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:03amso it would be in china’s best interest to keep the straight open. why would they do anything to prevent the u.s. from keeping it open???
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:11pmEngland has sent a warship into the Persian Gulf too. Something is up and I really doubt that it is war games.
Report Post »Iran has been aching for confrontation. They may well be getting it soon.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:08pmStock piles of ammunitions and supplies have been set in place for a very long time and work ups in earnest began last spring for this War.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:20pmWe have always had merchant marine ships loaded with munitions doing figure eight patterns all over the globe with enough munitions to support the first 30 days of a conflict until logistics can be worked out. As an ex-munitions systems specialist I have known this for decades.During the first Gulf War (1992) we had tons and tons of equipment pre-placed in Saudi Arabia.
Report Post »bankerpapaw
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:10pmIsrael really doesn’t need our help. They have the Almighty God of Israel on their side.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 11:52pmIsrael has top notch fighter pilots.In the past,they decimated the Egyptians and their then “New” Mig-21s,from Russia.Russia was growing weary of sending replacement Migs and sent a team of Russian pilots to fight the Israeli Air Force.Israel promply blew them out of the sky too.
Report Post »OperationNorthwoods
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:03pm“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”- Herman Goering at Nuremburg Trials
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:28pmThere actually is a good point to what you are saying. (I do not know if you are a pinko commie or not. several post on that type of position.) Our biggest enemy is one world government types especially in our own government. Iran and constant wars can direct attention away from enemy # 1. Not saying Iran may not need spanked though.
Report Post »love the kids
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:52pmSo Obama announces he is gutting the military budget, then teases Iran. You would only do this if that was in your plans.
Report Post »How come when Obama says he is cutting the military budget, neither Democrats or Republicans come out in the media and state that wages are the biggest part of the budget. In oyher words, this is a “job elimination” program.
BetterDays
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:51pmThe third world war, was approved for commencement during the Bildeberg meeting in ST. Maritz Switzerland last year. So of course Obama, Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, and the CFR, Club of Rome, and the normal globalist elite are all for it.
Report Post »It’s also why Mr end-of-12 is so gong ho, since he joined the blaze in December 11th he‘s never made a singe comment that didn’t attack Ron Paul or a positive comment in general. What’s wrong mr End-of, why do you want to murder our sons and daughters in your unholy wars? Has Iran attached the physical borders of our nation, or that of our allies? Then nuke them until it’s a glass parking lot, or send your kids, but mine have already served, so have I. Take your wars of empire and shove them up your ass! And take your lies back to your wife!
jzs
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:27pmI can confirm from personal knowledge that the Bildeberg group has given the go ahead order for WWII. I’m not sure how BETTERDAYS has access to that information, but it is true that a meeting took place in Switzerland (not in St. Maritz btw, but that doesn’t matter). I couldn’t normally comment but the cat is out of the bag so to speak.
These drills are part of the final plan, and the puppet Obama is going along. The pretense is to go after Iran for their nuclear program, and make no mistake they’ll do just that. Besides eliminating Iran’s nuclear facilities, every port and every oil refinery will be destroyed as well, effectively destroying their economy.
We all support that, but it’s only a feint. During the period of world wide support for this international effort, world leader’s will consolidate power, and appoint a new head of the UN. Under the cover of WWIII the international committee will assume control of all nations, not simply over military actions, but the day to actions of Americans and citizens of every country. The instigation is finely tuned to make individuals believe they are following the World Government to eliminate a straw man enemy. But the cold, hard fact is, that iron fisted control of your life will remain forever, and freedom and justice will be replaced by the New World Order.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:37pmAdjust your foil hats gentlemen. Your head is getting cold.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:17pmWW3 in the months ahead ensures BHO stays in power, things will be toooo hot for us to pay attention to some whiners who think they can do it better when we’re already in it good and messy. Oh its coming for sure and has been for sometime. Have you put away some supplies? Why not? Your going to need them because the War will be at home as mush as it will be abroad in the Gulf region. If the Russians and the Chinese are just playing it up for the sake of fooling Iran, I’d be real surprised but would call it brilliant for sure. I hear they are backing off opposing the sanctions so that might be true.
Report Post »Tomr
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:58amBTW guys, WWII is history.
Report Post »Phoneguy
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:46pmIt is way past time to show some force in that area, and show our support for Isreal, man the guns!
Report Post »VicksVaporub
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:41pmBlah blah we‘re going to attack Iran and we’ve all know it for years. Everyone on Earth knows it. Hurry up and get it over with already.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:03amWelcome nubie socialist from 2 days ago. Your new account says everything about you. You are a socialist OWS communist supporter and no one here will listen to you. Go back to your welfare checks from Detroit or Chicago and live the High Life.
Report Post »Noahide Ron
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:36pmI’d caution the Israelis about having “thousands of U.S. soldiers” in their country with this administration….“Right to Protect” don’tchaknow.
They just might find themselves with a few thousand U.S. “Peacekeepers” enforcing a new PA States’ borders.
Report Post »M1A2_Tanker
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:47pmI am almost sure that the Obummer regime has this listed as part of their “Top down, Bottom up, Inside out” They need the instability, tension, and chaos which will arise from this whole situation. We (the U.S.) and the Israelis are being setup. What better way to disguise it, as “support for Israel” we all know obummer does not support Israel! Smoke and mirrors.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:26pmThat could be why they are sending a bunch of israeli soldiers to be part of EUCOM based in Germany during this drill.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:36pmSo we have sat around for 4 years waiting for them to get Nuclear weapons now we are going to put on a show of force. I find this rather stupid. Now you know why we suddenly cleared out of Iraq.
Report Post »VicksVaporub
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:43pmYep.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:51pmRon Pauls nephew Berry Obama is Y we r out , every 1 of troops. War of nothing in return but politcal points, WTH. Iran we ran , now wat ?
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:28am@SirFold: I would respond to your nonsensical assertions, but I’m afraid I cannot understand them. Can you try writing them in intelligible English, so I can then show you how wrong you are about Dr. Paul? Thanks.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:51pmSo Iran has military excercises, we have military excercises. Oil speculators make a boatload of cash, the house and senate work on the Expatriation Act to supliment the NDAA and everyone’s too scared to notice. Nothing new here folks.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:40pmThat‘s interesting that a sixth of the world’s oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz especially since the Bible mentions a sixth staying behind regarding the end of the age.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:43pmSomething about it all going to the land except for a sixth.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:27amEzekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:33pmAt the very least, we should have operations that have in implied threat and/or ominous sounding name, when we are using a “show of force”…..hmm….maybe Operation Blink And We Will Exterminate You??..that would at least, convey a message….No more military operations with names that sound like they were thought up in a hippie drum circle.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:27pmIran doesn’t care, they won‘t believe we’ll attack until we attack, and even then they will spin the line
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:31pmActually knowing Obama he will probably give the information of the attack – when, how, where and so forth ahead of time to the Iranian govt.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:19pmOf course, all presidents announce that we are ready to attack, didn’t Bush give Saddam and his boys an exit, did not his father as well?
Report Post »MakeTheMiddleEastAGlassFactory
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 8:21amsimilar to Baghdad bob and him saying there are no American troops in Baghdad. Then the m1 drives by lol.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:08pmNothing to see here, the usual show of force….
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:07pm“In light of the large number of U.S. troops expected to participate, Inbar also addressed expressions of isolationism in the U.S., now gaining more media attention due to the presidential campaign of GOP candidate Ron Paul.”
Awww, don’t pay any attention to Paul has to say… we don’t.
But we DO like to make fun of old crazy uncle Ron and his Obama voting followers.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:43pmThe US has pissed off the Iranians. Israel can handle them all by themselves. They do not need us at all.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:58pmYou‘re not apologizing for Iran’s pistoffedness are you little fella’? Do you care what Iran thinks? I sure don’t. You against the U.S. of A. training with it’s allies and giving them increased knowledge from our battle hardened Veterans and the mutual benefits of training? I‘m sure you can’t be saying that… are you?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:01pmYour posts sound a lot like I guy I haven’t seen post for a while with the tag Yepimaconservative.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:13pmYou talking to me JUSTANGRY or the little fella’? Not sure what that’s supposed to mean, but I just checked out YOUR profile and some postings… ahhh, another Ron Paul regurgitator.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:24pmJUSTANGRY’s words from another topic and posting.
“We don’t know what Ron Paul went through in Vietnam. All gave some, some gave all! I don’t think any less of him being a doctor rather than an infrantry man, because it makes no sense to let his surgical skills go to waste.”
Ron Paul didn’t step foot in Vietnam. He was an ear, nose and throat doc, with the Air Force title of Flight Surgeon. He checked out Pilots in the early years of Vietnam. He later went to Texas in the Air Guard performing Physical exams on Helicopter Pilots. That‘s what he went through in the’ Nam.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:26pmBaddoggy…………So now it is The US’s fault that Iran is threatening war and always threatening Israel?
Report Post »Israel is our friend, Iran is not. We should always stand by Israel no matter what and no matter against who. That is what friends do.
Baddoggy
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:34pmWe have handcuffed Israel with our foriegn policies for DECADES. Let’s take the leash off Israel and let her run by herself and see what happens. I can tell you if we do…Iran won’t have nukes. Probably Iran won’t have a country left. Might not be a stone left as it will all be glass… Israel can stand alone all by herself. Guarantee it. But hell no you neocon awipes want to grab them and hold them down! What utter fools you are!
Ron Paul 2012 to unleash Israel!!!
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:39pm@Time2. I don’t know what he did in the service. I don’t know how anyone would know without first-hand knowlege or access to his records and then I‘m sure there would be some privacy act issues where they wouldn’t be able to release it to the public. Where are you getting your facts from? I’ll look at them.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:42pmBaddoggy………..Can’t you write a post without resorting to filth and name calling?
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:47pmYou better talk to the guy Paul supporters voted for and helped put into office little fella’. His name is Hussein Obama. We know how much Paul likes the sound of that… Hussein. I don’t think Paul has much use for a guy named Ehud Barak though… I’m pretty sure he dislikes the sound of Ehud.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:57pmJUSTANGRY. Ask Ron Paul to tell his supporters what he did during Vietnam… as none of you seem to know. If he‘s proud of his service record he’ll do that for his peeps. I’ve commited to memory what I saw years ago in a publication for Military Veterans of Vietnam as I am one. Ron Paul likes it when his followers run around talking up his service, but never quite explains what it is that he did in detail.
Now you have the rest of the story as Paul Harvey would say. Like I said, if you don’t like my explanation… have him tell you himself.
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:27pmI flipping knew it! TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12 is Yepimatroll. Look at when he join here. Its the same day someone was using his name! lol
Report Post »How are you, Yepimatroll? I was actually worried about you. Well glad you didn’t kick the bucket.
justangry
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:29pm@Time2. OK if you say so, buddy.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:37pmyepimatroll are you still a newt supporter? or have you bailed on him?
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:44pmBad doggy can’t help himself Mom, he is smarter and better than everyone else here. Just ask him, he will tell you.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:49pmWhatever seems to get a Paul follower through the night I guess. I’m also Ronald Reagan and Abraham Lincoln too if that would make you feel better. I know how much a Paul follower likes those two. Neve let it be said that Paul supporters never saw a conspiracy they didn’t like.
Now back to me and JUSTANGRY. See, Ron Paul and his followers like you don’t circulate in the same circles or swim in the same pond as us old Military types. We still have reunions to get the old gang together (the one’s still alive) and talk about the good old times. You don’t see much of that anymore since the draft ended and the all volunteer Military came to be. Maybe smaller, much tighter units do, but not like we did and do ’till this day. Ron Paul supporters for the most part are young and live in a bubble and if they don’t see it on the computer, well they don’t belive it could possibly be.
Us older folks from the Military and even civilian life tend to commit more to memory, especially things that piss us off like Ron Paul. You store crap in a computer and not your head for the long haul so you can save room for the names of video games you need to buy. You are good at regurgitating nonsense from websites, but probably can’t cross the road without a GPS or somebody holding your hand. You do the research and prove me wrong JUSTANGRY.
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Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:16pmWho is Newt:
Report Post »10/22/1991 – Voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/-/1993 – Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – Voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – Supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
08/27/1995 – Suggested that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 – Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
04/10/1995 – Supported Federal taxdollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 – Helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat constitutionalist Ron Paul in 1996 election.
09/25/1996 – Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 – Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 – Stated that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Called for a “serious debate about the 1st Amendment.”
02/15/2007 – Supported Bush’s proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 – Stated if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 – Stated in an article that TARP was a “workout, not a bailout.”
12/08/2008 – Paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 – States we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
justangry
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:32pm@Time2 You’re making too many assumptions about who I am as a person, which is fine. We probably have more in common than not. At any rate next time you and your buds get together, give them my best and bless you all.
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:26am“You better talk to the guy Paul supporters voted for and helped put into office little fella’. His name is Hussein Obama”
Hey, jackass. I voted for McCain in 2008. But, congrats! You convinced me that I should vote on principle instead of voting for the Republican nominee in the end. Jackasses like you have succeeded in electing Obama again, not people like me. I’d much rather the Republicans nominate Paul – he’s the only one IN EITHER PARTY concerned with the NDAA, SOPA, the Federal Reserve and inflation tax, the debt crisis, and ending our warmongering policy that only creates more terrorism.
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Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:02pmOh and btw, VFA-15 was established in 1942. They just came home from deployment before Christmas They HAVE held reuinions, but typically they’re deployed or training. I keep up with them on Facebook as horrible as it sounds, but one of the pilots sent me this cool link of them training.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000137096258
Check them out online, their motto is NONE FINER with the Battle E’s to prove it. You’ll also see they were in theater during Vietnam.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 12:21pmSorry bad link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ViyvYfpG4
Report Post »ShamanWorld
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:04pm2012 is already looking ominous…
Report Post »SEPARATENOW
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:16pmBriefly ominous. How long does anyone think the Iranian armed forces can last against Israel alone, much less the United States? These blustering, bravado-filled and dangerous religious zealots will die in massive numbers, should they start believing their own press. Oops, there I go sounding like a neo-con again. Sorry to offend you Paulies.
Report Post »Anarcho Capitalist
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 10:19pmYou don’t sound like a Neo-Con, You sound like a God damn fool. This blaitant show of force is going to start something WE DON”T NEED! Not only that but one of these days we are going to be pounded. Has it ever accured to you that China and Russia are planning to Stop us from f-ing up their investments all the time.
For the love of GOD! We our the flippen empire, we are marching around the world, we our the ones provoking and prodding and swindling.
That does not make the Americans bad, it makes our government out of control and most of us are to far gone because of the war propaganda. Snap out of it! There is NO WAR. your being had!!!
We are going down the path of any classic empire. History is repeating itself. Rome is burning…
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 9:03am“How long does anyone think the Iranian armed forces can last against Israel alone, much less the United States?”
The official forces will not last long. And then we will spend the next 6+ years doing just what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan – create insurgents that slowly kill thousands of American troops, destabilize the region, and end up leaving in our wake a weak nation we have poured trillions into that will soon fall apart.
But you keep your eyes glued to the Ministry of Truth “reporting” and remember: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
Report Post »a.christianpeter
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:02pmit is obvious that the only message that iran will understand is a pre-emptive military strike.
Report Post »Netanyahu understands this……when will the usa grasp this fact and do what is necessary instead of impotent sanctions?
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 11:48pmIslam only understands force.Anything less is viewed as weakness.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:07amNetanyahu said Israel doesn’t need our help in front of the entire Congress.
So let them do what they feel THEY (not us) need to do.
Israel has over 300 nukes.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 6:56pmAdditionally, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is visiting Latin American allies starting Sunday with Venezuela. Later, he travels to Nicaragua, Cuba and Ecuador.
What? No trip to Columbia University to visit his on campus condo?
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 9, 2012 at 2:32amThe Iranian nut job leader also thinks that him initiating a conflict with the infidel will cause the 12th Imam to crawl out of his well and come save the day…This Islamic messiah figure mirrors the Biblical Anti-Christ.Anti-Christ means against Christ.Islam is against Christ and will gather in Jerusalem to try and kill the real Messiah when he returns to the Mount of Olives.Zech 14
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 6:55pmNo more wars based on lies.
Ron Paul 2012.
The AntiWar Vote.
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