‘The View’ Ladies Discuss O’Reilly Live: ‘Condescending’ and ‘Disrespectful’
- Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:39pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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On Monday, the hosts of “The View” had their first chance to discuss the Bill O’Reilly show which saw Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar walk off set. In sum, Barbara Walters continued scolding her partners, while Goldberg and Behar still see nothing wrong with what they did.
O’Reilly, Walters explained, has always been provocative. His comments, no matter how shocking, should not have been met with a walk-off:
We must be able to have conversations, that means all of us, without fury, without rage, without screaming, without obscenities, without walking off. It’s very dramatic, people love train-wrecks, people want us to do more of it because it’s good for the ratings. You don’t walk out of your own home. You can walk out of somebody else’s home, you don’t walk out of your own home. He was someone we invited. We are used to Bill O’Reilly. He loves this, he loves to pull your chain, he loves to get you angry. This is just what he wanted. … I know that part of the reason this program is successful and people want to copy us is because of the passion and the conviction that you all have. Having said that, I think it was the wrong thing to do.
Behar continued defending her actions to thunderous applause from the audience: “On this show we always speak about standing up to bigotry, so I stood up.”
Goldberg said that walking out was better than the alternative — a profanity-laced tirade:
I hit my saturation point, because what we didn’t show was when Mr. O’Reilly came out, he started with me as soon as he sat down. … And I’m not the greatest person in the world, I don’t walk on water, but I had enough. And as soon as I said the ‘b’ word I knew to get up and leave because I knew what was coming next. I was going to cuss him out. So I was done.
Sherri Shepherd spoke to those who accuse the show of staging the incident. “It was not staged,” she assured, and said that O‘Reilly boasted during a break that the ordeal would boost the show’s ratings.
“I’m glad I left,” Goldberg added, “because my threshold was done. I don’t have a very high tolerance for it.”
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Comments (431)
poverty.sucks
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:59pm“I’m glad I left,” Goldberg added, “because my threshold was done. I don’t have a very high tolerance for it.”
I don‘t have tolerance for the view’s of these ladies, therefore I don’t subscribe to their point of view.
Report Post »sawman
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:59pmThe Muslim community needs to grow a set, and vehemently oppose the extremists in their ranks, just as any other religion would do. As long as they are quiet, or mildly opposed to extremism, they are giving the illusion of being in acceptance of Muslim extremism. Muslims did kill everybody that died on 9/11. They killed people from every religion and walk of life. Muslims…….start speaking out, start shouting out, start coming out against your religion’s extremists. Let the world hear you.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:09pmPerhaps they’re trying to but the MSM ignores them?? The PTB want to create friction among people to bring about choas so they promise us that they will bring peace IF qwe only give them dictatorial power.
Report Post »Butterfly2012
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:46pmThey CAN NOT speak against the extremists,even if they want to without, fear of death. The extremists are called this for a reason. THEY KILL PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH THEM. Can you imagine, for just a second, the destruction that would be heaped on American soil if it were perceived that America had turned Muslims against Muslims?? Who think THEY are right and justified because their religious views are the ONLY ones tolerated. These are NOT rational people.
Report Post »I, as a Christian, can disagree with the Westboro bunch of kooks and NOT be afraid they will show up at my house with a bomb to kill me and/ or my family. I can be sure it will not start a war and kill millions. Moderate Muslims do not have that option. To disagree with the extremists equals death.
cadet2jhawk
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:59pmWhoopi “And I’m not the greatest person in the world”
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Report Post »leftylemn
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:58pmIt’s Bills fault….He made me do it.
Report Post »musicpump
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:10pmIt would have been civil if the host of the house would have simply pointed out that there is a difference between Muslims and Muslim radicals in a calm (not yelling,walking out) way.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:58pmI’m glad I left,” Goldberg added, “because my threshold was done. I don’t have a very high tolerance for it.”
Report Post »—
…………except for Roman Polanski and child-rape…then I tolerate ANYTHING
LadyLiberty
Posted on October 20, 2010 at 7:29amI love you Cheezwhiz. Marry me.
Report Post »richierich
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:58pmWoopi’s tolerance is so low that she was going to go off on a wild, hatred laced rage- so she left. Don’t lose the point here. She‘s intolerant to someone else’s opinion.
Secondly, they were able to get WAY off point- that Obama has lost touch with the American people and as evidence of that 70% disagree with the Mosque being built. They turned the discussion from a valid and peaceful discussion about Obama into this mess.
Report Post »VAND888
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:57pmGoildberg………….~!@# off
Report Post »Inuyasha
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:57pmThe only thing useful “The View” has going for it is, is being used on “The Soup” to make us laugh.
Report Post »Flagwaver
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:56pmThe way I see it is like this. I fought for people to have their opinion, no matter how pointless or stupid they may be.
Opinions are like @$$holes: everyone has one, everyone knows one, and most politicians is one.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:11pmOpinions mean nothing unless backed by facts. An intelligent person with facts at hand then draws a conclusion/opinion. One can disagree with that conclusion/opinio, but their opinion should ALSO BE backed with facts. That’s how a true dialogue occurs.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:38pmThank you for your service to this country.
Report Post »southrnbygrace
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 11:47pmFlagWaver, I love this!!
“Opinions are like @$$holes: everyone has one, everyone knows one, and most politicians is one.”
No truer words have ever been written or spoken. But for THE View ladies we need an addendum.
Opinions are like @$$holes: everyone has one, everyone knows one, inane daytime talk shows hosts from THE view are one, and most politicians are one.
Report Post »greg
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:55pmI would like to know how much that boosted there ratings just wondering? i would be willing to bet one of highest the show has ever had why would he give these trolls any of his time
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:55pmThe progressive females who are all unthinkable emotions. They look for one slip of words is all they seek in any interview of someone they disagree with you.
Report Post »richierich
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:06pmIt wasn’t a slip.
Technically, Bill’s correct… and Bill’s very technical and objective. They are politically correct and subjective. He said it the way he wanted to say it. They heard it they way they wanted to hear it.
He apologized and re-said it differently to reach across the line, smooth things over and bridge the gap. They, as hosts, should have been able to do that instead of walking out, raising their voices, and acting like petulant children that couldn’t get their way.
As the host, all Woopi had to say at the time was… “Bill, don’t you mean to say Muslim Extremists?” Instead, as the host, she challenged him.
Report Post »flyguync
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 8:49pmActually, how are we supposed to refer to these people that attacked us on 9/11? I don’t believe they were all from the same country, and they weren’t part of an organized uniformed force, so I think Muslim extremist fits pretty well. There weren’t Southern Baptists flying those planes!
Report Post »Freelancer
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:54pmLMAO! Barbara: Twain weks make headwines”
Report Post »Cabo King
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:53pmthis show should be called One View, Ours…Woopie is a idiot of the worst kind, clueless worthless and just dumb!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »suran
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:53pmIt’s very easy (and cowardly) to rip someone apart when he/she is not present to defend himself.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:00pmYes and low class…… which pretty much sums up these two _itches (insert either a B or W!) ;-)
Report Post »Sam T. Mullins
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:51pmThe girls of “THE VIEW” need to read my previous post here on a previous but related story and get a little historical perspective…
Self Quote:
As Americans, non-Muslims, & Christians, we must face the enemies of liberty, be wary of our enemies, and understand their intent.
I know that the “Ground Zero Mosque” is called the “Cordoba Project” for a reason and the reason is as follows…
Quote from:
http://www.israelnati...
The Cordoba Mosque Controversy
by Mark Silverberg
“Consider the historical and religious symbolism of mosque projects throughout the Islamic world. For centuries, the rallying cry of Islamists has been to reclaim their lost medieval Islamic Empire. So to radical Islamists, a mosque rising near Ground Zero, well before a new World Trade Center has even begun being constructed, symbolizes Islamic triumphalism and supremacy — part of a long tradition of minarets built over the conquered religious sites of enemies.
In 630 AD, Muslims captured Islam’s holiest city, Mecca, and erected a mosque at the Ka’aba — the site of a building reputedly built by Abraham. The great mosque at Cordoba was built over the Christian Church of St. Vincent. The Al-Aqsa Mosque rests on the destroyed Jewish Second Temple in Jerusalem. And the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus was constructed over the remains the Church of St. John the Baptist.
These mosques were built to symbolize Islamic conquest over the religion of conquered peoples. The Cordoba mosque near the 9/11 site will be seen in the Arab and Muslim world as symbolic of Islamic supremacy & as American weakness & appeasement.”
End Quote…
Now consider this.
Quote:
“From the 11th-19th centuries the fanatical Islamic Jihadist ruled the Barbary States with the Barbary Pirates operating along North African coast known as the Barbary Coast raiding ships.
“As a result they took hundreds, of thousands of Christian European, & even African slaves.
The desire of the leaders of the Barbary States was to bring about an “Islamic Caliphate” through out the Middle East, the Mediterranean, Europe, & the world.
These Barbary Pirates demanded tribute and the world paid it.
Prior to the American Revolutionary War, American merchant ships enjoyed British protection, on the high seas.
In May 1786, Thomas Jefferson, & John Adams, then U.S. ambassadors, met in London England, with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Barbary States ambassador of Tripoli, to try & negotiate a peace treaty to protect the “new nation” of the United States & its citizens abroad from the threat of the these acts of piracy, and enslavement.
These future US Presidents asked the Barbary ambassador why his government was so hostile to the new American Republic even though America had done nothing to provoke them ?
The answer they received was this:
“ It is written in the Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet Mohammad were sinners whom it was the right & duty of the faithful of Allah to plunder & enslave them,
& that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise.”
The Barbary States ambassador of Tripoli also said this to Jefferson & Adams of the Barbary Pirates:
“”The man who was the first to board an enemies vessel had one slave over & above his share, & that when they, (the Pirates), sprang upon the decks of their enemies’ ships, that every sailor, (Pirate), shall do so with a dagger in each hand, & a 3rd in hiss mouth, so that it struck such “terror” into their foe that their foes would cry out for “quarter” at once.” (London, Victory in Tripoli, pp.23-24)
3 quotes from the Koran that the Barbary ambassador, ( and many Muslims today), believed justifies or instructed Muslims to kill those who do not convert to Islam:
1.“Fight against such of those to whom Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the “Last Day” , who do not forbid what Allah & his apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the “true faith”, until they pay “tribute” out of hand & are utterly subdued. (Sura 9:29)
2.“When you meet the “unbelievers” in the battlefield strike off their heads &, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom, (tribute), from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.” (Sura 47:1)
3. “ They would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so you may be all alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of Allah. If they dessert you seize them & put them to death wherever you find them.” (Sura 4:87)
End Quote.
Tribute & ransom was collected in the Churches of our original 13 states regularly to buy freedom of “enslaved” American merchant mariners victims of piracy from the Islamic Barbary States from 1781-1801.
In 1801, then U.S. President Jefferson received a message from Tripoli further demanding tribute payments of $225,000, along with an additional annual payments of $25,000 from the US.
To respond, the US built the US Navy’s first major combat ships, the famous USS Constitution, USS Enterprise, & their sister ships.
Upon completion of the US Navy, U.S. Commodore Decatur, was sent with US Marines to fight in response to attacks, & further demands for tribute to be paid by the US, resulting in the 1st Barbary War.
Sailing with an American force of about 50 US Marines linking up with 400 Muslim mercenaries, led by William Eaton that landed then marched 500 miles from Egypt through the dessert capturing Derna on a campaign to capture Tripoli.
U.S. Commodore John Rodgers led the American fleet that also threatened Tripoli.
The threat posed by U.S. military forces worked.
Peace was negotiated in June 1805 by Tobias Lear, and Commodore Rodgers and the “pasha” of Tripoli.
The 1st Barbary War (1801-1805) was followed by the Second Barbary War (1815).
With the War of 1812 between the US & England, it found the Barbary Pirates putting themselves back at Islamic acts of Piracy and attacks against America as well as European merchant vessels and holding their crews and officers for ransom.
Open War between the United States and Algiers began in 1815 upon defeat of the British by the U.S. and subsequent peace treaty at the conclusion to “The War of 1812”.
On March 3, 1815 the U.S. deployed a naval force of 10 ships under the command once again of Commodore Decatur against Algiers, soundly defeating our enemy in May & June in battle at sea.
By the final week in June 1815, terms of peace were reached with the Islamic ruler of Algiers. the “Dey”.
But shortly after that, the “Dey of Algiers” repudiated the treaty with the US.
At this point, Britain became involved in a failed diplomatic mission that lead to military action by a squadron of British naval vessels & multi-national force including 6 Dutch navy vessels that sailed against Algiers.
After 9 1/2 hour punishing naval bombardment of Algiers, & the destruction of much of the Algierian fleet, and shore batteries, the Islamic ruler of Algiers accepted a peace offer.
A treaty was signed on September 24, 1816 with the Islamic ruler that freed 1,083 Christians that had been captured and enslaved by the Barbary Pirates with repayment to the U.S. of ransom money to the United States as a result.
As you can now see, the radical Muslims have been at war with America since our birth.
A 225 year radical Islamic war against America. KNOW THY ENEMY.
end self quote:
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:57pmSam thank you for the historical review. When there is prejudice caused by politically correct “thinking”, facts make no difference.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:00pmSo Christians have been attacking and killing Jews and Muslims since the time of Constantine, but we don’t hold that against any group that seeks to build a Christian community center. Your argument is so hypocritical and off-base, in light of the millions of peaceful Muslims living in the US, that it does a great disservice to post it once–much less the umpteenth time. Please go meet a few Muslim Americans in your community and learn who these people really are before ludicrously tying them to the actions of Barbary pirates from centuries ago.
greg
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:05pmwell said
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:07pmABC, they choose the name as a symbolic act/message. We didn’t force them???
Report Post »chrisser
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:19pmABC: You will make a great Dhimmi.
May your chains rest lightly upon you when they come.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:28pmContrarian Thinker: While bigots like to invent theories as to why the enemy is the enemy. Those theories, in this case, are wide off the mark. This is what the leader of the Cordoba Initiative noted, in a piece appearing in a Jewish magazine:
“Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam who runs the Cordoba Initiative with his wife, named his project “after the period between roughly 800 and 1200 CE, when the Cordoba Caliphate ruled much of today’s Spain, and its name reminds us that Muslims created what was, in its era, the most enlightened, pluralistic, and tolerant society on earth,” he wrote in his 2004 book What’s Right With Islam. Rauf is seeking to align himself with those who see the period as the “Golden Age of Spain,” or what’s called the convivencia—“the coexistence”—when members of the three Abrahamic faiths lived side-by-side in peace, prosperity, and astonishing cultural and intellectual creativity….“We strive for a ‘New Cordoba,’ a time when Jews, Christians, Muslims, and all other faith traditions will live together in peace, enjoying a renewed vision of what the good society can look like,” he writes in the introduction to his 2004 book.”
Wow. A reason to call it Cordoba that isn’t tantamount to Muslims acting as our enemies. Imagine that. Too bad you conservatives cannot imagine competing theories besides your conspiratorial ones. I believe it was from this echo chamber that the misconceived Iraq War was born. Some people never learn.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:49pmABC, you said the magic word…BIGOT
you win a lifetime supply of food stamps, the right to have your children be complete dick heads in class and never get repremanded. in addition we already attached 22″ rims to your $500 car. Feel free to pic up your winnings at any polling location, look for the black panther voting assistants to redeem your prize!!!
Report Post »debaug1
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:52pmHi Sam – I copied what you posted so that I can check out the facts. Hope you don’t mind. I don’t disbelieve you, but I like to check things out for myself. Thanks for posting. :) BTW – the ladies acted stupiedly and I never did like them anyway. Muslims did kill on 9/11 and they will continue to kill. And, why don’t the moderates speak out against it? Hmmmmmm makes one think.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:23pmDimm, it’s not a magic word. It is a descriptive word, which applies to people who cling to false views of other people–almost always minority groups in their society–that any cursory analysis of the facts would dispell. Their failure to correct perceptions is linked presumably to their ignorance and/or racism. What’s your excuse?
Report Post »BigDog2372
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 9:50pmABC, even if every single word you are saying is true (which they are not and can be proven by anyone in about 5 minutes of research), noone would say anything about a Christian community center being built, because those Christians aren’t trying to build it within a stones throw of where some supposed Christian-based blood bath took place! Comprende partner? Or do I have to simplify my sentences for you? PS, I really enjoyed how you, in the same paragraph no less, vilify Christians for slaughtering Jews in the time of Constantine and for the crusades but then say that no one can ever say anything bad about Islam because the Barbary pirate issue happened 200 years ago…we played sir, that logic is unpenetrable. I guess I have to follow up with my standard “I don’t believe all or even most, or even more than a small portion, of Muslims are bad.” because I know if I even go once without qualifying my remarks as O’Reilly did I will be labeled a bigot or hatemonger or warmonger…or whatever the buzz word of the day is for you lefties.
Report Post »leftylemn
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:50pmCLUK CLUK CLUK….oooo, look at our egg of intollerance. Just cackling hens.
Report Post »CAmom
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:50pmon planet “the view” it’s apparently important. In the real world, they’re a side show.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:02pmrename the show “The Morons”
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:49pmI‘m not sure whether O’Reilly really is a bigot, or just makes these statements to boost his ratings. I’ll assume the latter for now. Afterall, he did apologize and admit on the View that he didn’t mean to malign the vast majority of Muslim Americans who are law-abiding. But once he admits that, he kind of has to let them build their community center. Afterall, we don’t prohibit the building of churches even though a few Christian nut-jobs have bombed government buildings or assassinated people in their own churches.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:05pmABC, come on now. The name of the CC (?) tells clearly that building it near ground zero is an in yor face statement. Do some research on the motive behind the name. And being a progressive, you advocate being sensitive. Are NOT the victims families wishes a major consideration? If not, why not?
If I hear you answer private property rights when progressives rarely respect that and the rule of law, I may puke.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:16pmABC, quit rewriting the transcript. O’Reilly did not say “Muslim-Americans” killed Americans.
O’Reillly has over and over and over made the point that so-called “moderate” Muslims do not speak out or politically work to rid the country (or the world) of murdering extremist Muslims.
plus
On 9/11 we saw video of people in Arab countries cheering and throwing candy in the streets. Were these extremist Muslims all? Or were they regular Muslims giving their approval and support?
THAT is why O’Reilly simply said “muslims killed Americans”. He got everybody discussing the facts stated above. That was his intent. Not to be a bigot, but to call out the “moderate” label TO DO SOMETHING WITH US (if they are with us).
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:23pmYes there may well be nut-jobs who are nominally Christian. However our holy book does not tell us that we gain entrance to Paradise by killing non-believers, so that would certainly not be a motivating factor as it is for Muslims.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:31pmSolavertas, I’ve already written about this already. When you say, Muslim killed us, you are indicting the majority of Muslims. Otherwise, your statement is misleading, and when you repeatedly mislead, it could be because you want to because you’re a bigot. The easiest thing for O’Reilly to do to avoid looking like a bigot or a fool is to make the correct statement: Radical Islamists or Muslim Terrorists or simply terrorists killed us on 9/11. No one was saying the Christians got us when McVeigh bombed the federal building in OK City, afterall.
abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:33pmRapunzel, apparently it does. In 1100 AD, Christians completed wiped out thriving Jewish communities that were located on the Rhein river in Germany. Those same Christians also killed many Jews in Spain in the following 300 years. And those same Christians organized Crusades during the Middle Ages to go “liberate” the Holy Lands from Jews and Muslims, which their religious leaders claimed WAS mandated by the Holy Bible. So please spare me the semantic games. Face the fact that if Muslims are now killing in the name of their religion, they will need to do a lot more killing before they catch up to the body count produced by Christians.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:37pmI love how as soon as you talk about muslim extremists and linking them to the actual faith of islam, liberals shout “timothy mcveigh”
what they really want to say is all white men are evil and some of the women too.
FYI, McVeigh was agnostic and even said in an interview “science is my religeon”
so they don’t even have a valid point when they try to equate his bombing to muslim terroist bombings.
i wish there was a Truth button that i could push and prove that all liberals really just hate white people and the white liberals have been so brainwashed with “white guilt” that they hate themselves.
but that would mess up their argument about conservatives being bigots and blacks can’t be racist and all that junk they come up with.
Report Post »El Duderino
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:44pmMcVeigh was an agnostic who said he didn’t believe in God but was playing both sides in case he found out after death he was wrong.
If you’re playing the McVeigh card, you are comparing someone who had (very) minimal religious beliefs who acted alone, to an entire faction of people that are committed to killing those of other faith in the name of their own religion.
… not quite the same.
Can you drop that one now.
Thanks.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:48pmDimm, McVeigh clearly planned the bombing in OK City in response to the conflagrations at Waco and Ruby Ridge, in which the Clinton-led federal government clamped down on religious fundamentalists who were rabidly anti-government. McVeigh did make at least three public statements in which he said he was an agnostic, but there is a lot of evidence that his view was very much in line with and inspired by Christian fundamenatlism. McVeigh said that he found inspiration in the Christian Identity movement, which is based on racial supremacy and Biblical law. McVeigh also had plenty of association with Elohim City, and was a devoted exponent of the Turner Diaries. The links between McVeigh and radical Christian terrorists is neither insignificant nor accidental.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:48pmABC
Muslims are as muslims do. Do something about extremists, or run the risk of taking some of the blame for your “supportive silence”.
As you say “No one was saying the Christians got us when McVeigh bombed the federal building in OK City, afterall.” BECAUSE IT WASN’T A “CHRISTIAN” ACT!!!! It was the act of an ANARCHIST! Any tie McVeigh had to Christianity was irrelevant.
On the other hand, however, McVeigh’s partner met with EXTREMIST MUSLIMS in Indonesia weeks before the event (or didn’t you know that, and about the Arabs that had the mechanic shop rented down the street and abandoned it immediately after the bombing). GOT FACTS?
So, to be accurate, this only religion tied to the bombing was MUSLIM.
I agree with you, however, that we should all get to know some Muslims, build a bridge of peace with them, and exhort them to censor the murder out of their “holy book”, so we can go forward in peace, and then, hopefully exhort them to open their heart to the real “truth, way, and the life”.
Report Post »Zoe
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:54pm“O’Reillly has over and over and over made the point that so-called “moderate” Muslims do not speak out or politically work to rid the country (or the world) of murdering extremist Muslims.”
Solaveritas- you are so right – That is the tip of the iceberg in understanding the hypocrisy of the term “Moderate Muslim”
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:04pmABC you’re a fool
The Turner Diaries is about race issues and nothing about Christianity.
try again
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:05pmSolaveritas, never mind that the terrorists at Waco and Ruby Ridge are without a doubt Christian terrorists, and that the number of right-wing (Christian) terrorist acts occuring on US soil in the last 30 years substantially outnumber those committed by Muslims (according to the Rand corporation — see: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/rand-report-threat-of-jihadist-terrorism-exaggerated/), the main point of my comment is that just because someone who commits a terrorist act is a member of a group–and McVeigh is more Christian than Muslim–does not automatically condemn the religion or the many other members of the group that are not terrorists. By making generalizations about a large group on the basis of the fringe element (e.g., wacko’s at Waco), you look stupid implicating the larger group (e.g., Christians). This method of sullying Muslims has to stop, but O’Reilly is not helping.
Your call to befriend Muslims and learn how they peacefully practice their religion, which has no more violent references than our Old Testament, is a good idea. Thank you for that civil call to reason.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:10pmAnd do you even know the beliefs of Christian Identity?
IF you are linking Christianity and Christian Identity as similar relgions then you are way dumber than i first thought.
I would compare it to saying “Prairie oysters and oysters are the same thing”
so maybe you are that dumb
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Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:14pmDimm, the racist views in those diaries are partially derived from justifications based upon the Bible. It is no coincidence that racists, from the pre-Civil War US South to the apartheid South Africa, justified their beliefs mainly using the Bible. I have seen documentaries in which young white South Africans were told by their teachers that “God wants to keep the races separate.” That you don’t understand this means you are blind to the bad influence that Christianity has had in the world. You cannot point to the good it has done without also noting those bad impacts as well.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:19pmZoe, did you go march to speak out against the murder of Dr. Tiller by Scott Roeder? Have you apologized for the murder of Alan Berg by the Order? What did you do to avoid the conflagrations at Waco or Ruby Ridge? A moderate Muslim has no obligation to publicly denounce or march against the crazy elements of his religion if you are not out there doing the same when Christian nut-cases are committing terrorist acts. Talk about a double standard!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:20pmOk, let me point out where you are wrong yet again.
The Turner Diaries… which is one book written by Andrew Mcdonald who is really Dr William Pierce is a fictional novel about whites who are being stripped of their guns and that sets off the events that follow. So the fact that you said “the racist views in those diaries are partially derived from justifications based upon the Bible” shows me that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
so the fact that you said “
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:21pmDimm, linking Christian Identity to Christianity is the same as linking extremist Muslim groups to Islam. It is generalizing to a large group that doesn’t buy into those extreme beliefs. You object to my doing it to Christians because you believe that most Christians are peaceful. But you doubt the same is true for Muslims although all the statistical data proves you wrong.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:28pmABC
Can you show me where i claimed all christians are peacful??
and show me the statistical data which compiles how peacful someone is when compaired to their religeon…
i know you can‘t because that’s not something you can compile with stats.. i’m 46% peaceful
you’re such a joke
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:34pmDimm, the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco cited the Diaries as inspiration and it fit in with a worldview that is anti-Semitic and supported by their reading of the Bible. It also inspired McVeigh, who chose to blow up a federal building because of government attacks on two Christian groups–but this is just coincidence in your mind.
Regardless of what you want to say about McVeigh’s religion or lack thereof, there are plenty of violent Christians out there. You can choose to ignore this if you want, but then you‘d have to explain the Catholic Church’s support of Hitler, the use of the Bible to inspire the Crusades, attacks on Jews and the violent Inquisition. You’d have to explain attacks in Ireland and in Bosnia. And you’d have to explain Waco and Ruby Ridge. But I guess in your mind Christianity has no blood on its hands at all, since by definition anyone committing violent crimes in the name of a Holy Bible is not Christian. However, you hypocritically do the exact opposite for Muslims.
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Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:35pmActually, the Rand Corp collects stats on terrorist activity in the US and found that since 1990 right wing nut jobs have committed more acts of terrorism than American Muslims. Just because you don‘t know of the stats doesn’t mean that they do not exist. Fool!
DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:35pmABC
just say what you really want to say…
you hate all white christians, and i only throw in christians because that’s the topic we are covering right now.
“but i’m white dimm” ok then you were raised with white guilt and dreams of reperations.
soo soo sad
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:41pmABC
why don’t you scroll up a little…go ahead i’ll wait
see there, where i said i didn’t claim anything about christians being peaceful??
cuts your argument right in half.
lets take a second to think…maybe there are other countries outside of the USA
maybe those countries have other religions too. And just maybe, and i know this is hard for you, but maybe they have violence in those countries.
“but there aren’t as many white people, how do they have violence dimm?”
well, it turns out that you can be violent even if you aren’t white. sorry if no one told you that when you were learning how everyone is equal when you were growing up.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:41pmABC
Your comparison of CURRENT muslim holy book exhortation to domination, violence, and murder, to the OLD testament case by case instructions to eradicate an evil people, demonstrates your lack of understanding of the bible.
The old testament does not make ANY exhortations for CURRENT VIOLENCE the way the Koran does. Besides, the NEW testament is the CURRENT status of the followers of God (Jesus) and has NO exhortations to violence.
So, compare apples to apples. The truth is, the CURRENT status of the Koran (still unedited by its “god” or by its believers), DOES exhort its followers to CURRENT domination, violence, and murder. This is a dilemma for muslims not easily solved. But, we must love them unto wisdom and pray for their enlightenment, for God (of the Bible, the only God) loves their souls as much as he loves ours, and we all want them to do what is necessary to spend eternity in heaven with us all.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:08pmIt must be ABC’s nap time or he would have responded by now.
shhhh, he gets cranky if he doesn’t get his nap
Report Post »El Duderino
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:22pmAll other arguments aside. How can you have any intellectual honesty and compare individual mental patients like McVeigh to millions of organized fundamentalists … killing, controlling, and worse, in the name of the second largest religion on the planet?
You can’t.
There is no moral equivalency.
Put a cork in the rhetoric. If you have a learned counter point then you should be able to express it in one small paragraph.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:40pmFallacy of composition: claiming that what is true for the part is also true for the whole when this is factually not the case. There are not “millions” of Muslims involved in violence, as one of you has claimed. There are thousands, which is a rounding error upon the 1.2 BILLION Muslims in this world. Whatever words are in one holy book versus another, the bottom line is that you judge people on what they do. And the vast majority of Muslims do nothing to warrant the mistrust and malignity that they receive at the hands of bigots who cannot say they know a single one personally.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:54pmABC
i mistrust you
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 5:04pmDimm, of course you do. You and faith-based folks such as yourself mistrust everyone who cites logic and facts that cannot be overturned, but which contradict their beliefs. You also mistrust physicists that say that we don’t need God to explain the existence of the universe. You mistrust biologists that have proven that we evolved from monkeys. You mistrust atmospheric chemists that argue our CO2 emissions are destroying the climate. By extension, you should mistrust your heart doctor or oncologist when he applies those same facts and logic, derived from empirical analysis, rather than your faith-based nonsense. You should mistrust those engineers that use the same physics to build the airplanes and cell phones that you enjoy. But you will not do that. You faith-based people are very good at parasitically enjoying the fruits of science and rationality while selectively applying such facts and logic to inform your worldview. You should be disqualified for heart surgery when you need–go find a witch doctor!–but those of us who rely on facts and logic tolerate your kind. We have liberal minds and bleeding hearts, afterall. Lucky for you.
Report Post »Farmhand
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 5:06pmYeah I just watched some of the terrorist made videos. You know the ones where they scream Allah Akbar before sawing off a foreigners head with a large blade? When was the last time you saw a Christian scream out “Praise Jesus!” as he murders someone? You just don’t see that. You are seeing murderers who happen to be Christian and are arbitrarily determining that Christianity was the basis. Actually that or you are just making a point and trying to claim that Muslims extremists aren’t motivated by their faith to commit murder either. The problem with this is there’s strong evidence that thats not the case and you have your blinders on to not see it. Most terrorists get there radicalization directly from their faith or this or that Imam. From screaming Allah Akbar before every attack to strapping explosives to yourself to kill off as many infidels (their words, not mine) as possible, its pretty clear that their faith really is a strong motivator.
On the other hand, in the examples you show, with the exception of abortion clinic bombers, the main motivator is always political. Being violently anti government isn’t a religious statement, its a political one. You might be correct that there are more successful attacks in America that are right wing motivated, but thats not the case world wide at all. Not by a long stretch. Also if you look at attempted attacks I would think the figures would look much differently. It is only that the American intelligence and police agencies (or in some cases civilians or just plain stupid luck) have been better at stopping the numerous Islamic terrorist plots than they are at stopping home grown terrorists and extremists going on murder/suicide rampages.
Report Post »glennrocks
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 5:47pmSo then you would support my right to build a huge statue of Christ at ground zero, Right?
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 6:37pmDimm, of course you mistrust me. You faith-based types always mistrust those with facts and logic whose conclusion invariably contradicts your arbitrary positions. From atmospheric chemists that warn against global warming to biologists that insist that we evolved from monkeys to physicists that have shown that we need no God to account for the universe, you have mistrusted reason. Luckily for you, we liberals have bleeding hearts and allow you the fruits of facts and logic although you really deserve witch doctors.
FarmHand, you do not understand the fallacy of composition, so it’s not even worth talking to you.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 6:39pmGlennRocks, of course I would. If it is a private site, then there is no need to intervene at all. If it’s a public area, then it would need to be accompanied by other religious icons from other religions. This is the law and its interpretation by the SCOTUS is pretty clear. It’s just the anti-Muslim loonies that seek to muddy the waters for their own selfish or (dare I say) bigoted purposes.
Report Post »JGP
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 6:42pmABC, man you have got a closed mind. You want to condem O’Riely for his generalizations yet your doing the same thing about Christians.
I know it doesn‘t matter what anyone say’s, you want to believe what you want to believe. Some of your sources are feeding that thought process. Keep searching but admit when your wrong. Been there done that.
Report Post »Farmhand
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 9:07pmABC weak weak response thats the debate equivalent of a kid saying “I’m not playing anymore,” when a game turns against him. I understand the Fallacy of Composition. You seem to assume that saying that there are lots of people motivated by their religion to commit murder right now is the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists, which I’m not nor are most of the so called “bigots.” Bill O’Reilly states that the Muslim world is too quiet and reluctant to condemn terrorism and you assume that means Bill is saying all Muslims are terrorists, which is a misrepresentation as so many of your arguments are. Theres a big difference between stating they are sympathetic and/or afraid of terrorists and saying they all are terrorists. Its pretty hard to deny there are alot of Muslims who are at least somewhat sympathetic towards the militant Jihad, as was evidenced by the silence and by the video of all the thousands of people cheering world wide and even in America at the 9/11 attacks. Doesn’t mean most of the people cheering are willing to actually act, but nor will they hinder the extremists. Finally, you dismiss the threat because its only “a few thousand” who want to kill Westerners. I doubt its so low with a Muslim population as large as it is, but even if we go with that for arguments sake, it took what a few dozen people to plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks? You really think a “few thousand” people willing to die in order to kill as many Westerners as possible is a minor threat?
The ultimate irony of it all is the fact that Islamists are right wing themselves. Far more right than even the conservatives in America, at least in most of the Arab world. They have instituted honest to goodness theocracies and yet liberals are totally cool with that. They are fine with the well documented legal and social mistreatment of women, the strong bond between church and state and the huge disparity between rich and poor. And yet American right wingers support a fraction of that mindset in this country and they’re worse than Hitler to a liberal. Its easy to throw the word bigot around but perhaps they should look at their own double standard and wonder if it isn’t perhaps bigotry that fuels it.
Report Post »BigDog2372
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 9:35pmSo, ABC, I of course could purchase the property directly next door to the new Cordoba House (A lovely name, may I add, hmm, I should google that sometime) and proceed to build a rocking brand spanking new BBQ joint that specializes in pulled pork and roast suckling pig, right? And I would run a special that says that every time the call to prayer chimes next door, I would give away free pig on my front porch. Imagine the nice BBQ smells wafting all around! And I would play some really good rock and rap music (within the confines of the noise ordinances of course) and have drink specials all day long. This of course would not be a slap in the face to any of my neighbors would it? Of course not, because such a term means nothing. Everyone would be really happy for me that I am running a successful business right? No one would attempt to shut me down, right? PS. Noone (I know I have to clarify that Noone doesn’t really mean NOONE, since none of you lefties understand when people speak in generalities, I know that we have to preamble EVERY sentence with “I actually don‘t mean ’noone’ but…”) has said that they CAN’T build their little prayer house there under the law. What we, and 70% of the country is saying is that “Hey, this is a slap in the face to those who were murdered by terrorists who, yes, happened to be Muslim.” No, we are not saying that every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist that day was in fact a Muslim. If 19 people who worked at Wal-mart decided to burst into their nearest post office and murder everyone inside, I would think that it would be a tad indelicate to build a Wal-mart next door to that post office, don’t you? But I know, I know, 70% of this country must be Islamophobic huh? Think about this though. If your side actually had its way, and we really were a democracy, which all of you (there I go speaking in generalities again), that mosque wouldn’t be built because 70% say no…aren’t you glad that we are a republic?
Report Post »justsaying
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 8:00amtTo ABC, McVeigh was not a Christian nutjob. He was an admitted agnostic. Google it. He did not bomb a government building in the name of religion but as a protest against Waco. This info is readily available so please don’t waste our time but posting false info,. Thank you!
Report Post »El Duderino
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 8:06amThere is no fallacy of composition in my earlier statement. There are millions of fundamentalists. These fundamentalists, at a minimum, are guilty of overbearing human rights violations. The ‘killers’ are a subset of the fundamentalists. I did not include ‘1,2 billion’. But thanks for attempting to put words in my mouth.
The fallacy is lumping heart science and cell phones in with global warming and evolution. With lumping in unilateral, individual nut jobs with a coordinated religious war.
Being long winded does not replace being right.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 9:13amWe’re way off top, but rather than going on about why Waco was important to McVeigh or how many more Christian fundamentalists there are than Muslim ones or why the same scientific method produced cell phones and concerns about global warming or why I am not anti-Christian but anti-hypocrisy, I’ll close with this:
When O’Reilly stated that Muslims killed us during 9/11, he committed a fallacy of composition because he used such a general term (Muslim) to describe a small subset of the population that this generalized term doesn’t even represent. When confronted with this by Barbara Walters he apologized and then cleared up the comment. I deplored the first statement and welcomed the clarification. ‘Nuff said.
Report Post »BigDog2372
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 4:43pmIt’s ok to back off your argument because it is being destroyed. It is a common liberal tactic, so we are used to it. But to attempt to say that O’Reilly somehow said something incorrect is a lie. Bottome line is that they guys on the planes were Muslims. Oversimplified, absolutely, but correct nevertheless. He had to clear things up because obviously these women do not know or try to falsify his position. The man has been on t.v. for over 9 year now talking about the 9/11 attacks like 10000 times, well 9947 of those times have been preceded by “Not every Muslim is a terrorist”. So again I ask, we have to preamble every single time we make a general statement about something because some person may not have researched something well enough? This is a “gotcha” tactic and it’s disgraceful. That’s all.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:48pmdo you see the smug look joy gets on her face when she says “ i stood up for bigotry”?
like she made a winning point, she’s so clueless
Report Post »Eagle07
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:55pmShe should be glad she is on CNN any other outlet would have Cancelled joys lame show by now.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:57pmI thought the same thing, Dim. She says she stood up to bigotry – she didn’t stand up to anything. she didn’t stand up to Bill for what he said, she literally just stood up so she could stomp off on a hissy fit. That to me is the opposite of standing up to someone.
The View needs to move to MSNBC. They can be the lead-in to the Ed Show.
Susan Harkins
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:48pmI hit my saturation point, because what we didn’t show was when Mr. O’Reilly came out, he started with me as soon as he sat down [Whoopie said]
Hey Whoopie, you would have “hit your saturation point” if O’Reilly talked to the sofa. You are a hopeless idiologue who would sell out your country to the enemy, all in the name of your “kumbaya mentality.
Stick to what you are good at, dear: being funny. You dont belong in politics!
Report Post »Ken
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:24pmWhat does Whoopi care anyway? She’s only on the show to p*** people off, and keep her pockets lined with cash!
Report Post »El Duderino
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:36pmShe’s good at being funny? who knew.
Report Post »ruffnex
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:23pmIt was a mistake to let them CRAWL back, like whipped puppies, who had just ‘soiled’ the carpet. (No insult intended to the puppies)
Report Post »PA Resident Clinging to Guns and Religion
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 11:38amWho cares what these morons have to say. You go on that show, you know what to expect. Same thing as far as Hannity’s show ABC. Don’t like it, don’t listen or watch. As far as your oh-me-so-more-intelligent than conservatives elitist garbage, your self-righteous drivel is very lame. Show us some facts of conservatives cutting off liberals microphones? I suppose if you were on with Hannity you’d do better than Colmes ever did? Problem is, you libs are all whacknut goofs whose “facts” are true only in your own bi-polar empty heads and sound like idiots everytime you open your mouths. Just like The View. Elistist clown.
Report Post »dmhirman
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:48pmthe left is not open to what anyone has to say – it is their way or the highway. you cannot have a civil conversation with anyone as far left as these 2 loons.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:52pmAs opposed to the right? I’ve seen conservatives cut microphones or otherwise silence liberals all the time. You just don’t notice or mind that behavior, which means it’s not the silencing that bothers you generally speaking. Just when your side is silenced by it. By the way, the View didn‘t silence O’Reilly but let him keep talking, which is more than Hannity lets happen on his show.
greg
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:57pmexamples please any takers
Report Post »richierich
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:59pmYes. Please bring two examples.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:01pmABC rudeness and bigotry comes from both Progressives and Conservatives. It is just a bad sign of the times. Decency and kindness are vitues that sadly disappeared many places.
A suggested technique to use to stop interuptions. Rule, a person who interrupts cannot speak for 5 minutes. If no interuption occurs, then the persdn who wishes to respond must repeat what the other person said to his/her satisfaction BEFORE speaking what they think..
People tend to forget that understanding doesn’t mean you have to agree!!!!
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:56pmTwo examples: 1) I called into Mike Gallagher‘s show to ask him what the conservatives’ end-game is regarding immigration (i.e., do you want to deport them all?), and then proceeded to explain how my friend, who came to the US at age 13, married an American and has two kids would be separated from his family for 10 years if he “turned himself in.” When Gallagher didn’t like the implication, that his policy of having these people turn themselves in is tantamount to deportation, although my friend pays his taxes and abides by the law, and that he shouldn’t lose his family over a decision made by his parents when he was a minor, Gallagher cut off my mic and went on and on about how liberals like to “lay traps” to confuse the issue. At this point, I couldn‘t rebut the false charge that I had laid a trap rather than simply related the relevant facts of a case that highlights how immigration law and conservatives’ suggestions on how to change it are not only unrealistic but overly punitive.
Example 2: Fox News cut away from President Obama when we went to meet House Republicans to debate the merits of health care reform. One man against scores, the President absolutely destroyed them in debate citing facts and overturning their arguments. The carnage was so bad and clearly ran against the narrative on Fox, so they cut away after 20 minutes to cover some human interest story while the other networks stayed on for another 40 minutes.
I have many, many more examples as well. And you probably can find a bunch on YouTube if you actually wanted to find them.
Report Post »NoMarxist
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:56pmI’ve seen conservative talk show hosts cut the mike on Liberals, only because liberals think that filibustering is an acceptable substitute for logical, intelligent conversation.. Most liberals cannot debate the issues and it seems their only recourse is to yell endlessly so that the conservative so cannot make their point. Alan Colmes is a perfect example.. He has nothing intelligent to say, but he won’t shut up saying it.. It‘s either shut off their mike and let someone else speak or I’m switching the channel. If I wanted mindless, incoherent, thought retarding blathering, I would watch MSLSD. If it weren’t for 20 or 30 other mindless Obama lemmings out there, the Matthews, Olberman, Maddow freak show would be replaced by Dancing With the Mullahs or something.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:11pmNoMarxist, Colmes is a lightweight put on a show to make Hannity look smart, yet an analysis of the number of words spoken by each on that show revealed that Hannity was given twice as many words because of his bad habit of interrupting his cohost. I think the uncivil one was clearly Hannity.
Now, I am an intelligent liberal who can take down most any conservative–even my most conservative friends liken debating me the rhetorical equivalent of asymmetric warfare–because I have a better command of facts and logic than they do. Further, my command of statistics and scientific knowledge far exceeds theirs. The liberals that I respect, who are in a similar camp, are almost never allowed to speak on the conservative pundit shows because they would absolutely destroy them in argument when they do happen to clash. For example, watching George Will flail in his comments on the economy at the hands of Paul Krugman, who is so far beyond him in understanding finance and economics that it isn’t even fair. Watching E.O.Wilson or Michael McElroy debate warming deniers is a similar mismatch of talent. It’s kind of like you challenging Kobe Bryant to a game of one-on-one basketball. Of course, in these cases, the conservatives typically ignore the facts and claim their guy won anyway because conservatives’ positions are nearly always faith-based and impervious to factual analysis.
Farmhand
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:36pmHaha really ABC? You’re really trying to make the case that Obama crushed anyone in a debate about pushing his health care plan? You know the stupidly unpopular bloated bill that even Democrats are running away from like the plague in this election? Trust me, it wasn’t just “Fox News narrative” that did that. Its garbage. In case you didn’t notice, these shows all have deadlines and commercial breaks, etc. I can go through Fox news and find moments where they cut away from or misrepresent the Republican side too. Oh my god, that must mean Fox News is just another left wing news source, right!?
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:59pmFarmHand, it was news that FoxNews cut away. It wasn’t for a commercial but for a bogus human interest story that everyone agreed was not originally scheduled to trump such a high profile discussion between House Republicans and the President. The only reason they pulled away was because it made the GOP look terrible. That FoxNews has not objectively covered the health care reforms since the start might also explain why the average American knows so little about them, which, in turn, explains why they are so upset about the reforms. They have successfully substituted real facts with bogus arguments. But to do that, you have to preserve the narrative. Pulling away when Fox News did was part of the strategy of preserving the narrative.
Report Post »Farmhand
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 5:22pmWho’s everyone? Thats a pretty vague statement. Cutting away to another story that was slotted to air before a commercial break? Oh man, conspiracy obviously! You and uh… I guess “everyone” might not think the story they cut away to was important but it was probably important to someone. And yes, I agree Fox is right leaning. I think anyone who watches it knows that. It was set up as an alternative to left wing or perceived left wing media outlets that dominated the air waves. That said, you‘re using it as a scapegoat for why the average American doesn’t like the legislation. In case you didn’t notice, Fox isn‘t the only news outlet out there and for every Fox News theres MSNBC which you cant possibly argue didn’t cover the Health Care debate with its own bias. It may be hard for you to believe, but maybe, just maybe, the American people actually don’t want this bill based on its merits and based on our own culture which has favored smallish government since the founding. I‘m not even arguing a more socialist health care is bad but that it doesn’t fit our culture well as every time its been tried, Americans don’t like it. If you then go forward anyway thinking “Americans are just stupid, I know better than they do how to take care of them,” then you’re an elitist and part of the reason Americans by and large distrust larger government.
Report Post »abc
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 6:34pmFarmHand, “everyone” is every other news organization (foreign and domestic) that stuck around until the end.
Report Post »Farmhand
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 9:16pmFair enough, yet you didn’t bother to respond to any of my other points. The fact that Fox News is just one news source and MSNBC provided equally biased coverage in the other direction, and yet you somehow think that Fox is able to brainwash the vast majority of Americans. You don’t respond to my assessment of American culture. Presidents have been trying to push government health care for half a century or more, yet every time it is met by a strong negative backlash from citizens. I guess that evil Fox news was somehow able to spread its lies back in the LBJ and Nixon administrations before it was even created? They’re devious like that.
Report Post »TheBloodOfTyrants
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:47pmZero comments! TOTES LULZ!!!! Hope I didn’t ruin anything, like a comment boycott on this story or something, but I just HAD to LOL about this! Anyway, Goldberg is a perfect example of how liberals handle making their points- Get mad and cuss em out! Threaten em! Beat em into a corner! Thanks for making our point for us, Whoopi! :)
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 6:56pmTwo low class liberals … I was not surprised by their “performance” I am surprised that ANYONE watches with these two _itches (insert either b or w!).
Report Post »jbh
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:46pmAmerica the right to speak your mind. But please not on my show? Right
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:17pmBINGO!
‘Condescending’ and ‘Disrespectful’ and I would add childish. This is the exact behoavior we have come to expect from these two Ladies. I hope I didn’t offend any real Ladies.
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Report Post »A1955Rosie
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:42pmYeah, I‘ll invite you to my show but you have to say what I want you to say or I’ll pack up my toys and go home. I RAISE MY CHILDREN AGAINST THIS VERY ATTITUDE. Joey and Woopie are a disgrace to the First Amendment.
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:46pmImmature, class-less and juvenile. If you don’t allow your guests to state their “view” then change the name of the show! Bunch of no-talent hacks!!!
Report Post »Huff-a-Ton Post
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:16pmOur view, or else!
Report Post »AwakeAndReady
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:52pmI believe the phrase you were looking for was ” No-Talent A** Clowns”!
Also, I love the way that Barbara Walters tries to set the standard and explain just how things should be perceived as if she is the world authority. How pathetic that the rest of the ladies pay her homage—being the matriarch of this insane clown posse…save Elisabeth Hasselbeck. I don’t know how she sits through that cr*p every day.
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:39pmSo it goes to show, they can express their opinion as much as they want, but as soon as someone expresses a differing opinion, that they don’t like, they get all bent out of shap and throw a live TV temper tantrum. I loved it. I commend Bill for his willingness to express the truth and opinion!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:41pmI don’t watch the show, don‘t like the show and don’t like most of the “hostesess”. However, I happened to be somewhere when it was being broadcast, so heard portions of the dialog. One of the comments that was made after Barbara Walters made her statements was that the discussion on the show include respect.
It would be interesting to know whether or not The View panel shows the same amount of “respect” they felt Bill O’Reilly was missing to other groups, like – oh, say, for instance, members of the Tea Party, or conservative Christians or Republicans. I’ve heard them go after Elizabeth and happened to be at the same location I was today when Rosie announced the World Trade Center was an inside job.
Curious definition of respect, don’t you think?
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:41pmBarbara Walters looks really good after her heart surgery – she even looks as if she has gained a little weight! http://wp.me/pYLB7-gd
Report Post »DislikesHussein
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 4:07amHey, WALKWITHME1966…
Report Post »Whoopi and Baher must have had heart surgery, too!!!
AngryTexanFromAmarillo
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:43pmWhy does anyone care what these 2 idiots have to say?
Danglinbags
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:58pmCuz Whoopie and Joy are hawt and they are the boss.
Freelancer
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:58pmIt‘s not that we really care as mush as it’s too funny to listen to Baaba Waawa say a line like “Twain weks make gwate headwines.” Now THAT was worth watching!
Report Post »JGP
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:03pmHave never watched the View and never will. I don’t care who their guest is. Come on, it’s got whoopi goldberg. What the hell has she ever done? She’s got this schtick as some kind of hippie or something. I guess she’s supposed to be from the hood with street smarts? She’s a phoney. Pampered and out of touch, and well, just hard to look at.
M31Sailor
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:03pmI walked out of the room, w/my panties in a bunch when these two twits came on
Report Post »timeisnow
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:07pmDoes anyone really think OReilly was talking about all muslims? I dont think so, but Muslim Extremists are killing people all over the world in the name of Islam…The left wing Radicals on the View need to know I would never even have seen this clip if it wasnt for OReilly, because I cant stand this show… I think we should actullay boycott this show.
solaveritas
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:23pmUnfortunately, too many impressionable voting women watch this show so, as difficult as it is, some effort needs to be made to call these “gossiping gals” to task for their emotionally liberal biased perspectives.
Bill was intentionally making a political point about moderate muslims not working against extremist muslims, and Whoopi and Joy could only over-emote, and missed the point entirely.
Its too bad they didn’t “self censor” for all of Bill’s visit, and let the remaining reasonable women chat with Bill. Kudos to Barbara for calling them out on their selfish behavior.
Report Post »slickmeister
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:23pmWhen two left wing comediennes are regarded as opinion makers in America, we’re in deep trouble.
Report Post »Rita
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:23pmWhoopie’s got a new book out on civility? Good luck selling that garbage after showing absolutely no toleration for the truth because you want to be seen as a Muslim supporter. Both Woopie and Joy are ignorant and uninformed about who the enemy is.
crackerone
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:28pmWhoops, Danglinbags, Keith Overbite and that freak Joy would make a good foursome, stowed away on a Russian Island!
drbage
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:37pmAt least, Barbara Walters still has the class that she has always brought to everything that she has done. What I would love to see as a follow-up is for Ms Behar have Bill O’Reilly on her show. First, it would give her show the biggest ratings that they have ever had and second, it would go a long way to prove to the sceptics that she isn’t as big a bigot as her display on both shows lead one to believe.
Report Post »justanamerican
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:43pmWhat a bunch of self righteous dumb asses………..
Report Post »bluejay8984
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:44pmThey are just idiots. Joy is a complete idiot. It’s comical how stupid these women are!
Report Post »old guy in SC
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:49pmThere ain’t enough beer in Beaufort…
Report Post »mhannah.vera
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:59pmThat’s what I say!!!
Report Post »grannie13
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:31pmI don’t understand why they are called “ladies.’ My parents taught me call a woman a lady until you know otherwise, well, we know otherwise, they are women – not ladies. Each time they have a guest they do not like or approve of, they do not hike their condescension or overt anger at the guest. Even when Barbara Walters basically scolded them today (10/18), they continued to feel only their “feelings” should be considered.
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:34pmThey said, if Bill comes on again, and if he is hateful and bigoted, then they will invite him to leave. If that is the case, they are the biggest liars and hypocrites; because that is exactly what they do on their show every day with their biased opinions. They show no respect even to their guests. “The View” is a joke of a show.
Report Post »orkydorky
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:41pmPolitically correctness is wearing very thin, enough is enough! I really cannot understand why the left can’t handle the truth, they’ll do or say anything to deny the truth. Calling someone a bigot for telling the truth sounds like something Barry would do, but getting up and walking off because you reached your imaginary threshold, which obviously prevents one from having a proper discussion is something a middleschooler might do, not an adult that should be setting examples. This all brings a new meaning to the word ridicules!
Report Post »777phase
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:53pmWhy is the show called “the view”?………………………seems it’s just all about theirs, i would have
Report Post »!FIRED the two that walked off the set right then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heavyduty
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:03pmI was just wondering if we could get Bill and Beck on there together. Now if that wouldn’t send Whoopsie over the edge with Joy close behind her, I don’t know what would. How about Joy and Whoopsie going on Bill’s show. I would set my Tivo to record that one. This way they would have the pea brains there to help defend them. But you know that won’t ever happen. If anyone knows how to get in touch with the View let them know. Talk about pushing Bill’s ratings through the roof.
Report Post »JohnnieBo77
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:31pm“On this show we always speak about standing up to bigotry, so I stood up.” – Joy “Anything But” Behar
…and what do we call a person who is winning an argument with a liberal dolt: A bigot. (Yes, I know that “liberal dolt” is redundant).
Report Post »Uncle Sambo Lives Here
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 5:12pmYou can tell how they’re not used to being presented with facts. This couldn’t have been easy for them. LOL
Report Post »5
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:26pmI thought they both had Morning sickness.
Report Post »They look Pregnant. Are they? Maybe just Piggies…
Mad13
Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:09pmI’m sure when their millions are worth nothing. They will be at your door asking for food. Hope lots of us turn them away. I’m sure woppie has been caning food lol
Report Post »This is a fall of a nation. and these fools helped it. we got alot of jack asses in office (r) and (d) fools..
hey if my taxes go up anymore I cant pay my bills and I will take up arms I have no choice if i lose my home. but i will take up arms and it will be the goverment I will fight till death not my country
I WILL TAKE UP ARMS AND FIGHT THE GOVERMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Tao
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 12:52amBecause they speak the truth?
perry_postulka
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 2:34amI‘m not an O’Rielly fan, he thinks that he is too important, kind of uppidy – With that being said, what he said to the cackeling View group was very correct. I’m getting tired of having to bow down to the PC crowd to explain the obvious. Get over it loony left progressives (you know who I’m talking about). See you after the elections;-)
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 6:55amI was gonna comment, but I reched my threshhold with Whoopi‘s bullsheite and I’m about to cuss her out…
Report Post »thunder4570
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 8:03amDid whoopie hint that bill is a racist? it is amazing if you dont agree 100% you are condesending and disrespectful. I guess he should have come in and bowed and kiss their butts. I sure bill doesnt care if he is invited back!
Report Post »pmacres
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 8:12amwhoppi is such a expert and joey is on cnn..jeez if she is on cnn she must be as smart as that clown ex governer and rick sanchez….must i go on…
Report Post »anOpinion
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 9:42amWhoopi and Behar should be ashamed of themselves. I can forgive them walking off in moment of anger, but to smear Bill O’Reilly as this giant racist just so they can save face is pathetic.
They should have just apologized, and said what they did was an overreaction and a heat of the moment thing.
Report Post »CAROLININDY
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 3:13pmditto
Report Post »Appaulled
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 3:32pmWhoopi & Joy; by storming out irrationally you managed to avoid the issue & detract from the real problem. “The Mosque” near ground zero…. do you remember? Its inappropriate; does that sound familiar?
The terrorists from 9/11 were of the SAME faith as the developers of the mosque, they worship the SAME God. Understand?
Its NOT appropriate! Understand?
This religion of “peace” needs to practice what they preach. Understand?
Whoopi & Joy; you are a disgrace to humanity & sensitivity; a waste of human airspace.
If you understand anything; understand THAT!
Report Post »squeaker
Posted on October 19, 2010 at 5:36pmHard to find this much stupidity in one place.
Report Post »Chere
Posted on October 20, 2010 at 4:44amI agree! They are just a bunch of gossips; and not very well informed. If I had been their boss and they treated a guest like that; I’d have met them and told them to keep walking. And if only Joy had a brain!
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