‘There Is No Truth Except Allah’: Colorado Student Quits High School Choir Over Islamic Song
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A Colorado high school student quit the school choir after an Islamic song containing the lyric “there is no other truth except Allah” found its way into the chorus.
James Harper, a senior at Grand Junction High School in Grand Junction, put his objection to singing “Zikr,” a song written by Indian composer A.R. Rahman, in an email to Mesa County School District 51 officials.
“I don’t want to come across as a bigot or a racist, but I really don’t feel it is appropriate for students in a public high school to be singing an Islamic worship song,” Harper told KREX-TV. “This is worshipping another God, and even worshipping another prophet … I think there would be a lot of outrage if we made a Muslim choir say Jesus Christ is the only truth.”
Below is the Islamic song in its entirety:
But district spokesman Jeff Kirtland defended the decision to include the Islamic song:
“Choral music is often devoted to religious themes. … This is not a case where the school is endorsing or promoting any particular religion or other non-educational agenda. The song was chosen because its rhythms and other qualities would provide an opportunity to exhibit the musical talent and skills of the group in competition, not because of its religious message or lyrics,” Kirtland told FoxNews in an email. He added that the choir “is a voluntary, after-school activity.”
“Students are not required to participate, and receive no academic credit for doing so,” he said.
Fox reports that an upcoming concert held by the choir is slated to include an Irish folk song and an Christian song titled “Prayer of the Children,” in addition to the song by Rahman.
Fox adds:
“The teacher consulted with students and asked each of them to review an online performance of the selection with their parents before making the decision to perform the piece,” Kirtland said, and members who object to the religious content of musical selections aren’t required to sing them.
Rahman, who has sold hundreds of millions of records and is well-known in his homeland, has said the song is not intended for a worship ceremony. He told FoxNews.com in a written statement that the song, composed for the move “Bose, the Forgotten Hero,“ is about ”self-healing and spirituality.”
“It is unfortunate that the student in Colorado misinterpreted the intention of the song,” Rahman said. “I have long celebrated the commonalities of humanity and try to share and receive things in this way. While I respect his decision for opting out, this incident is an example of why we need further cultural education through music.”
The song is written in Urdu and two of the verses translate to: “There is no truth except Allah” and “Allah is the only eternal and immortal.” According to Fox, the choir sang the original version and Wieland distributed translated lyrics.
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lukerw
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:21pmBravo!
Report Post »omgfolks
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:19pmGood for this young man! Glad to see he is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in. This is a great thing.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:34pmOMGFOLKS, I agree. Why is he Choir singing this in the first place? Wake up people!
afishfarted
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:46pmSo this week, we hear of a young boy reading his Bible at recess, and had it confiscated. NOW we have a school promoting islamic songs of praise under the guise of musical contribution.
And if the Christians were to unite and express outrage and demand the assault on their religeous freedoms be stopped, they’d be called intolerant bigots.
STOP BEING AFRAID.!! Your tolerance will be the death of you. Literally
Report Post »jmcclena
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:00amYou Beckbots are so backwards. You would be all for a Christian song being sung at a public school, but your true hypocrisy really comes through when a school wants to sing this (along with a christian song). You want to shove Christianity down our kids’ throats in public schools, you had better be ready to have Islam and Judaism shoved down there as well.
Anamah
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:09amHow stupid can a school principal be! What are these people in Colorado thinking? Do they know what is happening in the name of Allah and this perverted religion; in this very moment Christian families are being assassinated!!! I am amazed of their level of ignorance. They need to read or watch videos to see the slaughter to heresy of infidels they kill as flyes… simply in the name of Allah “the great”! Wake up idiots and let the public school building clean of Sharias.
Report Post »mils
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:09amwake up colorado..bunch of liberals over there!!
Report Post »also, the song says what it says..there is no changing that!…quit trying to run away from the words..they are what they are
sweet
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:19amYou are right! If we don’t wake up…not just awake but do something about This Islam’s thing, we going to loose our country, religion and freedom. We Christians are the most docile people I have every seem. God won’t us to stand up for his word and his glory. Any person that can see the Word and the Constitution of that United States of America and say they don’t see the truth…They are a liar and the truth is not in them. Talking about a Evolution it’s time for us to get on board for God!!
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:19am@jmcclena
Who cuts off the heads of people who don’t believe like they do?….Muslems
Who burns churches world wide just because they believe differently?…Muslems
Who send womem and children to be suicide bombers to kill people?…Muslems
Who wants to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel?…Muslems
Who attacked the USS Cole, the US barracks in Beruit, held our people hostage in Iran?…Muslems
Who killed over 3000 Americans as they slammed airliners into the WTC on 9/11?…Muslems
Who wants nukes so they can start WW3 and kill millions?…Muslems
Take a hike jerk…you’re an IDIOT.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:34am@JMC
Report Post »I would consider myself a big Glenn Beck fan, I am a staunch conservative, and a evangelical devout Christian. I cannot fault the school. They include a Christian Song, though Prayer of the Children probably doesn’t include the lyrics Jesus is LORD, to counter balance Allah is truth, but they did do right in having the kids discuss it with their parents. Now the student that is choosing to not perform this song I can’t fault either. He is taking a stand and I applaud him for that.
If we are to be a country truly founded on Judeo-Christian principles, then respect for other beliefs is fundamental. We can appreciate the performance and artistry of another religion’s music with out agreeing to the tenants of that faith. I don’t personally agree with Mormonism, but the Halleluia (spelling) Chorus by The MTC is amazing.
Don’t go accusing me of being a dupe, or asleep, or all the other crap zealots like to throw out. I am as non-PC as anyone. But I sadly have to agree with JMC that the degree of narrow mindedness on this subject gives all conservatives a bad name and boarders on proving the bigot case the left likes to make about conservatives.
Like my momma used to say; Bigoted is as bigoted does. Thats all I got to say about that.
TheObamanation
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:36am@ Captain Crunch … If we could sing that to the tune of “Candyman” … I think we’d have a hit :)
GeorgieJo
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:39amWe have to say Happy Holidays and no nativity scenes and this PUBLIC school wants a song like this?
I NO LONGER recognize this country!!!!!!!!!!
I admire the senior who quit.GOOD Luck and stand by YOUR convictions!!
OMG in 2012
Report Post »maccow
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:43amAll the Islamic head chopping, honor killing, and suicide vest wearing isn’t the issue here because this is America. The issue is music, art and the ability to appreciate. If we conservatives can’t tolerate a Choral group singing a Christian song along side a Muslim song, then we could possibly be as intolerant as we are accused of being. How does this differentiate us from the Islamo-nuts around the world? Tolerance for only one religion is what happens in Islamic countries, not America. Hating the music of a different religion and not allowing it to be heard is what happens in Islamic countries, not in America. Teaching kids to hate anything having to do with another’s religion is what happens in Islamic countries, not in America.
Report Post »Or is this not still America?
maccow
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:45amIn my best Yoda voice; “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.”
Report Post »ldaopines
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:46amJMCCLENA, this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values, not Islam/Sharia or Secularism. We celebrated those values in our schools way back when America was still America. We said “Under God”, sang religious hemns, put on religious plays, and called it “Christmas”. We didn’t say Allah Akbar and sit bobbing, cross-legged chanting the Koran. No hypocracy here….just returning to our foundational principals, and they aren’t Sharia.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:46amWouldn’t it be nice if people just realized there is only one God and while God could be compared unto the a shade of blue he might be Navy blue to one person, and in the opinion of another Midnight blue, or even yet another Royal Blue?
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:48amGo kid, glad to see someone with principle! You are completely right! If this was a Christian song that they wanted a Muslim to sing all hell would brake lose!
More Islamic hypocrisy filtering into our schools be way of teachers protected by the union! Wake up people this is the cannery in the cave telling you something’s wrong!
This song explains why!
Report Post »“That’s Not Right” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789999
Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:53amOr if I may compare God unto a bright white light, then unto that people over there he may appear through the spectrum as green, and to that group over there as purple or red, and yet even to that side of the earth over there as yellow or orange. That‘s because people’s minds absorb the light differently just as different materials in the world absorb different spectrum’s from the sun. It’s called how the light is divided. Too bad people are so stubborn.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:56amBut there’s no money to gain from these concepts because then who would beat up on whom?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:00am@ CAPTAIN CRUNCH- According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity. This was again shown in the 2005, 50th anniversary of Guinness Book of World Records, although the number of conversions was not mentioned this time.
In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had risen to around 1.2 billion by the year 2000, meaning that around this time one in five people were followers of Islam. According to the BBC, a comprehensive American study concluded in 2009 the number stood at 1 in 4 with 60% of Muslims spread all over the Asian continent: A report from an American think-tank has estimated 1.57 billion Muslims populate the world – with 60% in Asia. The report was done by the Pew Forum Research Centre. The forum also projected that in 2010 out of the total number of Muslims in the world 62.1% will live in Asia.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:03amAnd hasn’t anyone ever notice how in the Holy Bible as God is giving his Commandments to Moses how they seem to change ever so slightly each time? God varying the Commandments to Moses ears, and Moses varying the Commandments to the children of Israel adjusted to accommodate the hardness of their hearts?
Report Post »maccow
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:03amCome on people!!!!
Report Post »How can we argue for Christ/prayer/nativity scenes in our schools and public places, and then demand that another religion be excluded. That is not Christian, its not American, its not the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. If we were being consistent here we would be applauding the Christian and Muslim songs and demanding that a Jewish song be included as well.
The hate spewing out here is counterproductive.
The hatred for radical Islam shown here may be justified, but you all risk playing into the hands of the left with the intolerance for a song to be sung. Is all of your faith in Christ, and that of your children, so weak that it can’t take listening to a song?
One caveat. My faith would preclude me from singing the words “There is no truth but allah.” Then, to the best of my conscious, I would sing my very best and give the Glory to my God.
FormerLib
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:04amPaging all atheist activists and the ACLU – this case is made for you.
*crickets*
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:08amYes surhan, they multiply like roaches. And have many of the propensities of the same.
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:08amJMCCLENA: The hypocrisy in in a government that insists on separation of church and state except where Islam is concerned. Either that principle applies to all churches and religions, or none. If they in fact allowed overtly Christian songs to be sung, conservatives would have no issue with equal time. But they don’t, and it is this double standard that we find offensive.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:09amAnd firstly God spoke to all the children of Israel directly one time giving them all the Commandments, and then after the which God called Moses up individually to give the Commandments again, and yet even again? This was also unto the thing God showed Moses when he had him put his hand to his breast and it turned white, and yet again like his own flesh, and yet if God would have spoken yet again to all the children of Israel they all would have died, and therefore the Lord called up Moses individually thereafter.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:15amAnd people do not want to hear the truth because they love to hate. Far be it from people to understand that at some point the Lord will speak loudly to all people once, and then even yet again twice, and it will consume all and devour them who will not have it.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:18amHey, Jmcclena, I’m a “beckbot” and I don’t have a problem with them singing an Islamic song. I have some serious issues with these exact lyrics though, and I would have the same problem if this was for another religion as well (schools need to avoid potentially offensive things like this in my opinion – they need to seem totally neutral. Another Islamic song without the lyrics regarding allah being the only truth and I’d be totally fine. The Christian song mentioned needs to be the same way.). The school officials gave a plausible answer – the musical style is totally different and it does make sense to include it if the choir wants to learn as much as possible.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:05amJMCCLENA: Considering that we are in a WAR with ISLAM, I’d really not prefer to see that religion of perverts rammed down the throats of children who may be killed by that same religion of perverts. So please take your indignation over the lack of political correctness here and kindly ram it up your @ss!
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:14amMACCOW: All of the head chopping, honor killings, and exploding martyrs IS the point here because we are starting to see the results of the lie, “there is no truth but allah” in America NOW! Care to tell that little lie of yours to two teenaged girls in TEXAS who were shot DEAD by their islamist sperm donor (formerly known as “father”) for daring to date non-islamist boys and being too “western” in their behavior??? Care to tell the three teenaged daughters and their mother who were DROWNED by their islamist sperm donor because he felt they had dishonored his family?????
Report Post »I am glad this boy had the presence of mind to speak up against this abomination in the Grand Junction school, and I resent the presentation of this religion of perversion on any stage IN ANY FORM! May Mohammed drown in the urine of diseased camels!
Mil Mom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:26am@jmcclena
Report Post »Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:00am
You Beckbots are so backwards. You would be all for a Christian song being sung at a public school, but your true hypocrisy really comes through when a school wants to sing this (along with a christian song). You want to shove Christianity down our kids’ throats in public schools, you had better be ready to have Islam and Judaism shoved down there as well
****
IN THIS COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDING WAS AND IS BASED ON JUDEO CHRISTIAN VALUES, YOU DON’T FIND THOSE OF OTHER RELIGIONS BEING SLAUGHTERED LIKE IS GOING ON IN EGYPT AMONG CHRISTIANS AND JEWS! The difference between singing Christian, or Hebrew songs and Islamic songs is You will Never be Forced to convert or die, yet that’s EXACTLY WHAT THE KORAN INSTRUCTS THE ISLAMICS TO DO TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!
PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:26amTHEY ARE HERE. THIS IS PLANNED. THEY are in power from the WHITE HOUSE, thru the courts, in all the MEDIA, in most of the schools and they think, being the UNGODLY people that they are that they will control the earth. They began in 700 AD as a way to rip off Jews and Christians Bible thinking they could control their tribes…they have NO concept of the REAL GOD. THEY have no idea that the REAL GOD would not kill their daughters with SUVS, force their women to be uneducated and covered from head to toe, want to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with them…run the JEWS (the REAL GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE) into the sea. THEY are hysterical animals who are inspired by SATAN. THE REAL GOD wins of course…we may have some rough times between now and then, but this gutless capitulation to these pushy, arrogant, ignorant, aggressive people has to stop NOW. THEY (this silly gov. we have) won’t allow GOD in School and yet some teacher paid with our tax money thinks they can push songs like this on our kids…really????? You are right!!! WAKE UP AMERICA…the devil is all over the place and ready to pounce…unless you think that gunning down 12 service people at Ft. Hood was just a fluke… WAKE UP.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:52am@maccow
Report Post »See the above post by Captain Crunch, The spelling may not be perfect but the explanation IS!
Mil Mom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:01am@maccow
Report Post »Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:43am
All the Islamic head chopping, honor killing, and suicide vest wearing isn’t the issue here because this is America
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You must not be reading the news on here much, THE HONOR KILLING, HAS INDEED COME TO AMERICA, AND THE MORE TOLERANT WE ARE, THE MORE LIKELY THE REST WILL TOO! Did you not read of the failure of the Underwear bomb to detonate, or the shoe bomb to go off? Did you not pay attention to the Attempt of the airport worker (was he from Colorado?) to assemble a bomb to explode in the NYC subway? WAKE UP IDIOT!!! THEY’RE TRYING TO BRING IT TO AMERICA!!
So forget listening to the pretty music, OR JUST LIKE THE FLUTE PLAYING FOR THE COBRA, YOU’LL BE SWAYING TO THE MUSIC, WHEN SUDDENLY YOU‘LL REALIZE YOU’VE BEEN DANCING TO A DEADLY DIRGE, AND THE VENOM IS KILLING YOU!
VegasGuy
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:16amOMG, it’s like saying, forget the words . . . it has a nice beat and I can dance to it. The progressives are are so indoctrinated they don’t even see the double standards anymore.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:33am“‘There Is No Truth Except Allah’: Colorado Student Quits High School Choir Over Islamic Song”
“let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, …. for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” -Acts 4, Holy Bible
“Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. … Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near – at the doors!” -Matthew 24, Holy Bible
Report Post »F.O.S. DIAPERHEAD
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:07am@SURHANSURHAN How many of those new muslim recruits were virgins soo desperate to get laid that they were willling to murder to get some (heavenly virgins)? How many are males looking to get more control over women? How many did so out of fear of being cast out or beheaded as an infidel non-believer?
The fact is most of us are of the belief that Islam is an anti Christian religion. Christianity known as the religion of forgiveness and Islam the opposite. Be it out of ignorance or not, how else can that line in the song expected to be interpreted as anything but offensive. Discussion about such may belong in the education system, but not expression as part of a school sponsored extracurricular activity. What’s the point in expressing something to the masses that you know is going to be misinterpreted by the majority. Who’s the audience here? Who’s doing the interpreting and why?
Defining the truth as Allah when Allah, at this point in time, is known as the bringer of evil. What is messed up about that??? I surely don’t want anything to do with that!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:28am@Maccow. I agree with you. The right to free speech and freedom of religion should be exalted, even when it flys in the face of Judeo Christian values. i dont care if they express thier religion at all. If they break the law, then we deal with them just as we would if a Christian broke the law.
Either you believe in the Constitution or you dont. Just becuase something offends you does not make it illegal. That is what the LIBERAL have made you believe. I say let them sing the song and if anyone does not want to participate they do not have to.
Just like prayer in school. You all would be for it until someone throws down a prayer rug and faces mecca…You cannot have it both ways…Sorry folks, either you allow it all or allow no religion at all at this school…No matter how offensive it is. There was no law broken.
Report Post »standPROUDamerica2011
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:32am“‘…The song was chosen because its rhythms and other qualities would provide an opportunity to exhibit the musical talent and skills of the group in competition, not because of its religious message or lyrics,’ Kirtland told FoxNews in an email.”
IMO – I believe this to be yet another indirect, albeit purposeful attempt to soften us and tear down our resistance to the Muslim faith, in the disguise of being an “opportunity to exhibit the musical talent and skills of the group in competition…” Sounds like a very weak defense. How many other songs, not praising Allah and/or the Muslim faith, were there to choose from that could have just as easily shown off the musical talents of these kids?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:44amMy son is in his middle school choir and they can’t sing about Jesus, or mention Christmas. They’ve changed all Christmas carols to Holidays. And they want someone to sing Allah is the only truth? My son wouldn’t either.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:52am@jmcclena
The “Christian” song they chose doesn’t include the words “Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Light” I’d lay odds. It’s probably some wishy washy song that barely mentions God. I would refuse to sing a song about Allah being the ONLY TRUTH, but a Muslim song that was sanitized as well as they sanitize Christian songs for public school wouldn’t insult me. It’s the double standard that gets our knickers in a knot. The kid was right, they would never in a million years ask or even suggest that a Muslim sing Jesus is the only Truth. Jehovah Witnesses don’t celebrate birthdays or Christmas, and they usually don’t get exempted from participating.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:12amWhere’s the aclu?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:15amParents need to remove thier kids from that school or at the very least the school choir. The writings is all over the wall and yet people continue to bury their heads in the sand.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:16amThe cult of ISLAM is the enemy of all people, the world over, who are not muslim! Do not fear Islam! Destroy it as they would destroy you!
Death to ISLAM!!
Report Post »Cat
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:51amWhen schools were schools:
Nuns teaching 4th grade cracked our knuckles for not knowing the multiplication tables, 1 through 12
We pledged allegiance to the American flag, before opening a single book
Teachers smacked our butts with a paddle for lying or being disrespectful to anyone
We received detention for skipping physical education class
We read books aloud and took the laughter when other kids made fun of our word pronunciation
We learned how to cut a piece of wood, and not our fingers, on tools called; table saws and band saws
We were told we could be president of the United States of America if we worked hard and learned something
We turned wrenches on cars we knew would never run a NASCAR race
We played music in a hall and on a field, and made music in the back seats of VW bugs, Oldsmobile 442s, white, rust bucket, 58 Ford pickup trucks, and the janitor’s closet
We screamed obscenities at the opposing school at all sports events
We made fun of girls with big boobs, guys with pimples, and bookworms, but respected the Latin teacher because she was hot
We had cliques and friends in cliques who always sat at the same tables in the cafeteria
We laughed at dirty jokes and cried when a kid died of a heart attack on the track field
Then we grew up, and are being told America sucks by a president that was given it all on a silver platter
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:57am“…Just like prayer in school. You all would be for it until someone throws down a prayer rug and faces mecca…You cannot have it both ways…”
Exactly. Western Civilization does not face Mecca or pay tribute to the deity enshrined there. We never have and we never will. We will have it our way, not theirs.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:58amThis really should not be an issue. Local school districts should be able to decide, for themselves and their children, the content of education, Christian, Muslim, Jewish… on and on.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:06am“Wouldn’t it be nice if people just realized there is only one God and while God could be compared unto the a shade of blue he might be Navy blue to one person, and in the opinion of another Midnight blue, or even yet another Royal Blue?”
Seriously… that is what muslims want all to believe. Wouldn’t it be nice if people realized there was only one God? No shades. Black and white. Good and evil…
Report Post »johnnylingo
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:19amNo wonder 20% of the kids in my neighborhood have gone to home schooling. The NEA is a socilistic, communistic, Welfare state advocate group and no longer represents the best interests of our children. Let us have school vouchers and you will see a great change in who is educating our kids. Romney/Rubio 2012.
Report Post »dandelion8002
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:46amJMCCLENA…no anti-Beck bias there, eh? Calling your ideological opponents derisive names. Really? Now is that necessary? I have a rule — those indulging in name calling and other ad homs automatically lose the debate.
Having said that, your post makes the “Beckbot” point. The outrage of conservatives, Christian or no, is precisely because freedom of expression and worship has been so resoundingly prohibited in so many other “voluntary, after-school ” activities for so very long — you know, activities in which “Students are not required to participate, and receive no academic credit for doing so” when that religious expression is Christian — for well over 30 years!! The hypocrisy of those with an anti-Christian bias is obvious to everyone except those possessing said bias.
I watched the video. Watching the Jinjaweed galloping through the desert, probably on their way to their next appointment to annihilate another hapless Sudanese village gave me the shivers. The whole video seemed a message of “Islamic Supremacy” came through loud and clear when the world was depicted as being engulfed in torrential flames.
In the interest of “multi-cultural” curiosity and exploration, perhaps school choirs might also sing some cute songs that were popular with the Hitler youth, no?
Report Post »TROONORTH
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:56amI, and millions like me, are tired of the continual BS coming from the muslim community about what they and their texts say and what they really mean. Enough of this crap. Say what you mean.
“there is no other truth except Allah”
It is pretty hard to misunderstand what is meant here. Just like their alleged holy texts, the meaning is clear.
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:00amWhatever happened to “separation of church and state” that the socialists keep ramming down the throats of Christians?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:00amallah is the arabic word for god-and if gospel songs are sung in public schools then its about time muslim ones are too.looks like your self serving narrative about being the most religiously tolerant people on the face of the earth is finally being exposed as hypocrisy.kudos-i hope those muslims keep giving you 21stc anti semites [against muslims this time] a run for your money.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:07amNot news in Massachusetts. Our Kids have had mandattory ramadam fasting, even though it is strictly prohibited from using the word Christmas. The make our kids fast during ramadam as a cultural diversity project
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:13am9-11 was blowback for our policies towards them.We spent the whole twentyeth century dropping bombs on men women and children and we finally got to know what its like to have that done to us.they brought us to the knowledge that there could be consequences to us for our policies toward them.religion had nothing to do with it-our unjust policies did.We kill people all the time-in the name of our religion-americanism.Give them 21stc weapons and they’ll do it our way-but they will resist our invasions ,occupations and that of israels.We’re the thin skinned hypocrites who believed only we had the right to kill others for our interests.Didn’t God tell them that-how dare they. I support their uprisings against dictators we backed and of course if you invade a country the people are going to resist.many muslims are not backward fundamentalist but being backward fundamentalist does not make them evil-just backward.long live the indigenous arab spring uprisings against western backed dictators. if israel has nukes why not iran?if israel wants peace it should relinguish illigal occupation and return to 67 borders.-which all arabs and iran would accept.everything else is propaganda to allow illigal israeli expansion.That is racist and unjust.
Report Post »Nasado
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:35amWow peopel you are going insane over nothing. So you are saying that choir’s should only sing American music… or is it just Christian music? They were singing a Christian song with the performance, they had the students with their parents listen to the song and decide if they wanted to sing it. They are not forcing anyone in the choir to sing it. What more could they do? You people need to get off your rear-ends and open your patetic bigoted eyes. Most of the time I agree with the comments here but it is stories like these that make me ashamed of the conservative movements followers. I am proud of the boy for choosing to follow what he believes but that does not mean all the other kids WHO CHOSE TO SING THE SONG are bad. So you are saying that we should take their choice away? That freedom should only exist when you agree with it? That you know better than the students and parents performing it? That is the liberal menality. Yes, some schools do not allow Christian music to be sung but not all but obviously not that one. The high school close to me (Dacula High School) always sings Christian songs. I go to many of their concerts. They also sing African worship songs as well as a wide variety of music. Stop being so ignorant. And if you disagree with me, tell me why with facts, not the BS most are spouting. Don’t be a liberal.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:46amAgreed. We need more people who know their convictions, and stand up for them.
Report Post »e7705
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:06amThis song requires students to say that “THERE IS NO OTHER TRUTH BUT ALLAH!!” Do any Christian songs require students to say There is no other truth but Jesus? They are pledging their allegiance to Allah by singing this song.
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:07amWhere is the ACLU???
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:22amwhere are the Atheist Groups on this?
Report Post »Also, Blaze, enough with the go back to school pop-ups please! Everyone, click on the damn thing and enter false info so this company might get the message to stop shoving their Obama Grant money in our faces. Tired of this crap. Not a very Blaze thing to do to your readers.
thecid100
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:28amWhere is the ACLU? Separation of Church and State, right?
Report Post »Or is that only for Christians…I think I know the answer…
chingachgook
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:36am@jmc maccow and the others who Innocently buy into this idea that islam is just another religion.
Report Post »islam is the issue.
This is a major clash of culture and religion. We who have been raised in this country which until now had religious freedom (Until Obama has attacked the Catholic Church), find it hard to understand there is a religion that believes you are Islam or you are dead or a slave. Read the Koran it is all there then speak on the issue If we do not wake up we shall have no country and will have to die for your religious beliefs.
Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:47am@Thecid
“Where is the ACLU? Separation of Church and State, right?”
As different faiths and backgrounds are being presented (an Irish folk song and a Christian song), one particular faith is not being endorsed; likely the ACLU realizes this and acknowledges that there is no breach of the first amendment.
I agree with @Maccow and @baddoggy here. If you’re one of the people calling for this song to be thrown out, you have no ground to stand on in promoting religious inclusion in schools. Either you stand for the Constitution and accept that all faiths have their own right to be displayed… or none of them should be displayed. Saying only Christianity should be seen and heard in a public institution is an obvious violation of the first amendment.
The kid was well in his rights to quit and I don‘t think he’s a bigot, but it’s small-minded of him (as it’s small-minded of all the people here railing against an Islamic song while remaining mum about the Christian one). Then again we expect that with kids; adults can and should be called on it.
As for those going “Muslims are going to kill us all if you let a song about Allah be sung!”, I echo baddoggy’s sentiment. It‘s honestly the best thing I’ve read out of the comments here:
Report Post »“If they break the law, then we deal with them just as we would if a Christian broke the law.”
StonyBurk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:48amIMO Rahman and Kirtland, and the Music director are all alike they are telling convenient LIES.IF the song was misinterpreted by the student -it must necessarily have been misinterpreted by the music teacher who selected the song and distributed the translation from Urdu.And Yet these three are in concerted agreement hostile to the Christian beliefs in a nation that was attacked on 9-11-01 in the most destructive act of war since Pearl Harbor by men who believe There is no truth but Allah–Allah is the only eternal and immortal.”I can’t see how any Christian could sing that even in Urdu.P196 of the Christian Legal Advisor , John Eidsmoe ,Editor– Mott Media publishers ,1984 note 61 seems explain what these Dewey eyed cultural educators are really up to, “moving us all to a secular society” …”high school education… militates against Adam and Eve and all the other myths of alleged history.” c.f. “why we need further cultural education through music.”I salute the Patriot student.
Report Post »ccfonten
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:57amIf this school were to sing a Christian song in praise of Jesus………….you could hear the ACLU, and the Freedom From Religion screaming and filing law suits all over the place!!!
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:10amI saw this on local news, including a snippet from a Denver Imam they interviewed about the controversy. Here’s the local story – highlighted by the Imam saying the boy is basically “ignorant” for his interpretation.
http://kwgn.com/2012/02/15/grand-junction-student-refuses-to-sing-muslim-song-leaves-choir/
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:32am“…this incident is an example of why we need further cultural education through music.”–Rahman
Recently I spoke with a bright young Ivy League grad about History and the Islamic religion. She must have had the musical version of cultural education.
She did not know that Mohammed lived 600 years after Jesus.
She did not know that he claimed it was the angel Gabriel who was bringing him Allah’s orders.
She did not know that he was a military leader busily taking over the world as he knew it, he himself killing countless “unbelievers.”
These are historical facts.
Why do we not teach the fascinating facts Mohammed’s life. Now THAT is education!
How about reading the Koran in chronological order (not the order in which it is printed) and matching historical events to verses written about the same time– to illustrate how the Koran sombers into violence. THAT is education.
How about simply reading the Koran (it’s a short book) to dispel the widespread misconception that the violence associated with Islam comes from later Islamic movements. THAT would be education!
An Indian composer writing an Arab-flavored high school choral song; a chorale director insisting that Islam and Christianity are just kind of equal but separate is called cultural manipulation, not education.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:46am@JMC, I guess the Blaze deleted my reply to this guy stating that the difference between the Muslim song and a Christian song was that Christians are not decapitating innocent people and murdering women and children in the name of a so called peaceful God. And that Christians feed the poor and provide medical and financial help to those in need regardless of their God. I guess the mercy killings happening in our own Country by these Muslims is not a factor in regards to the difference between the two religions. That JMC is why we would not care if this were a Christian song. Taqiyya comment?
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:49am“The shahada is the Islamic profession of the faith, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.” To convert to Islam, one simply has to recite this while believing it in one’s heart.”
–The Tehran Times (from the earlier Blaze story on Sean Stone)
So Muslims know the significance of reciting these words, yet we are supposed to ignore it. If one is to truly respect Muslims and the tenets of their faith– the kid was right to quit.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:49amJMCCLENA, Us “Beckbots” know that singing this song is breaking one of the Ten Commandments,I guess that is one of the reasons you guys want them removed from the public square.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:55amYes of course I believe Rahman…when I think “self healing and spritituality” I think of lines like “there is no truth except Allah”. Good for the student for not buying the lie.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:55am@Getlife
“An Indian composer writing an Arab-flavored high school choral song”
You, I’m thinking, do not seem to realize that India is the country with the third largest Muslim population in the world (after Indonesia and Pakistan). Implying that Muslim is only for Arabs is analogous to implying that Christianity is only for Hebrews.
Report Post »samp1a
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:56amAnyone remember the comparison, across religions, of the Golden Rule? Its basically the same regardless of religion.
While I agree that Islam is NOT a religion of compassion, neither is the current form of Christianity practiced is this country
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:58amMACCOW, knowing the Motis Apperrandi of the propoganda spouting Left, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if “Prayers of the Children” is a song about cute little Muslims praying to the false God Allah.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:06pmAll of these comments sound like a bunch of parrots who just read the headline. I wish I could say it’s comical how stupid and simple-minded you are but it’s not funny anymore. It’s sad and dangerous.
Report Post »GeorgieBaby
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:07pm@MILS – People living outside of the Denver Metro Area DO have questionable judgement. After all, it was these people who voted for Santorum in the caucuses last week.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:08pmHow DARE they sing a song about someone else’s fairy tale right along side OUR fairy tale!!!!!!!
I’m outraged!!!!
We have freedom of religion here. If you dont’ like it find another country. For all you know there are muslim kids in the choir. This kid and his parents are typical Jesus bigots. Simple folk.
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:12pmGod Bless this young Man – He needs to teach every Women in America not to put Obama’s Birth Control Plan before God and Church – I know Women you will save $30 a month if Obama pays for your Birth Control – but is it worth giving up Eternity. Remember, Satan lies!
Report Post »ForeverSTRONG
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:12pmAllah is the Arabic word for Supreme Being or english word God. In every religious text translated into arabic the God is translated as Allah. Book of Mormon, Bible, Torah, whatever. Education is what is needed. Honestly, I am with the school on this.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:20pmLOCKED, You’re right.
Report Post »I should have written “a Muslim-Indian composer….”
This also would underline the fact that he must know the significance of having the unsuspecting children sing those exact words ( see my 2nd post above).
Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:23pmDB321
I know that you and those like you just can not look at it from the perspective of someone who doesn’t believe in that nonsense. To do so, you would have to be willing to look at it as though it‘s not true and your simple mind can’t handle it.
I don’t know what happens when we die. You don’t either. NO matter how much you believe you do, you don’t know and no one you know knows.
Just because you‘ve been indoctrinated since birth to believe something doesn’t make it true. When you apply your assumptions about afterlife to everyone then your argument fails because no one knows what happens. No one. And no book written by bronze age desert dwellers has the answer. It just has beliefs.
Report Post »Machtyn
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:29pmIf the ACLU is going to get its panties in a wad about Christianity in public schools, then it is fair play going the other way.
In the end, it is a personal choice. I couldn’t sing a song where I knew it translated to false teachings. Others may not care.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:30pmForeverWrong, nice try with the whole Allah translation thingy, but the last time I looked, this is America where the language of the land is ENGLISH if the auther meant God he should have said God, but we both know Hounestly that is NOT who he was talking about. One only needs to crack open a Koran to know the truth, you LIAR!
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:33pmFOREVERSTRONG, so true! Education is what is needed!
Why don’t you start right away by reading the Koran to better understand the Muslims.
I suggest you find a detailed history of what is factually known about the life and times of Mohammed to go along with it. And don’t bother with any high school textbooks for that– you’ll have to look elsewhere.
My children gave me an annotated copy of the Koran and a book by a Middle Eastern historian to go with it. THAT is education. I didn’t sleep well for a week when I got into it.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:35pmExcuse me, I should specify, My HOMESCHOOLED children gave me a copy of the Koran and a History book to go with it. Now THEY will know how to educate themselves.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:42pmWell, I’d agree with the statement with two slight revisions…
“There is no (true) god (named) Allah.”
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:53pm@Proudinfidel
“the last time I looked, this is America where the language of the land is ENGLISH”
Last time I looked, this was the United States of America, where there is no national language.
Also, last time I looked, “God” wasn’t spelled as “God” in the original Hebrew and Greek texts that make up the Bible.
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:05pmGo ahead Report me to Obama’s Attack Watch! I am a Born Again Believer in the Blood bought Church of Jesus Christ. I will never except any other God other than Jesus – AND WILL NOT REJECT HIM!
The Bible teaches us that many will be deceived by liars like Obama and other False Profit.
If I was in the Union – I still would not support Obama
If I was on Welfare – I still would not support Obama
If I need FREE Heath Care – I still would not support Obama
If I was a Women taking Birth Control Pills – I still would not support Obama just to save $30 a month
If I was receiving Food Stamps – I still would not support Obama
If I were an Illegal Alien – I still would not support Obama
If I were Black – I still would not support Obama
Oh – Obama talks a good GAME! So does Satan – don’t be mislead! My God will never be the Unions, Birth Control, Open Borders, Food Stamp, Unemployment Benefits, Health Care, the color of my skin, or any other thing this evil administration can dream up to fool the Useful Idiots in America to vote for Obama!
Supporting Obama is not worth giving up Life in Eternity for anything!
Report Post »mountainmover101
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:08pmI do not understand the people that liken Islam to Christianity. Islam is the religion of hatred, violence and deception. Why would anyone want these values extolled in a public school? Where are the “separation of church and state” people when this was going on? As or the “explanations,” they were quintessential progressive doublespeak. This prevarication is only bought the simpleton minions who blindly follow after the “tolerate anything except Christianity, Jews and Western European culture” credo.
Report Post »kodibear2
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:29pmGood for you young man! When is everyone going to WAKE UP
Report Post »83plus
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:34pmGood job high school kid.
If I were a teacher there I’d resign in protest.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:49pmThe Muslims knew they could do this…they have most thinking that we oppressed them and that allows them to creep into our schools, jobs etc etc…
Oh I so don’t feel bad about these people who push their agenda…but dam Israel warned us years ago in the 90′s…
If you give them an inch they will take a mile…Much like Hitler…
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:59pmThe ACLU should immediately file a lawsuit against this district, and anyone made uncomfortable either singing this song or hearing it in the school should sign on as plaintiffs. Afterall, that’s essentially the response when a Christmas song is sung in schools. They are confiscating the valentines of second graders in Wisconsin which mention Jesus but they’re singing about Alla in Colorado! According to Jeff Kirtland,”The song was chosen because its rhythms and other qualities would provide an opportunity to exhibit the musical talent and skills of the group in competition, not because of its religious message or lyrics.” BS
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:01pmSoooo….. Did anyone else here happen to notice that two of the headlining stories on The Blaze today are this story and the story about the cross on the Korean War memorial?
The Blaze seems to heartily support the right to put a big cross up on a public Korean War memorial over the protests of a group of Jewish war veterans who don’t think that they and their fellow veterans should be represented by such blatant Christian symbol.
Yet, The Blaze seems to strongly oppose the use of a Islamic song in an optional, afterschool choir program that sings songs from multiple faiths and seems to have gone to great lengths to ensure that students and parents were OK with this particular song.
So, when The Blaze insists on religious freedom, it really means religious freedom for Christians to use public venues to advertise their faith. This just reinforces the fact that the Tea Party is more or less defined by its complete lack of consistent principles.
Report Post »JoeyVonTrapp
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:30pmJust keep religion out of the school system!
Report Post »83plus
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:44pm@pavepaws
I’ll be surprised if the ACLU takes that step. The only time I‘ve seen them have an issue something related to a religion is when ’the something’ is related to the Christian religion.
Report Post »Arlundee
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:06pmWhen I was in high school, our directors (we went through a few unfortunately..) were always pretty open with the selections they gave us. During the Christmas season, if kids with certain beliefs were uncomfortable singing traditional Christmas songs, they were excused from singing for those songs or from the concert with no negative marks on their grades. Same went with every religious/spiritual themed pieces. There was no drama, no outbursts from outraged parents or students. That’s how it should be. Always.
As soon as people stop finding reasons to be pissed off at each other, the better. While I commend this senior for sticking to his beliefs, I don’t see the point in making a fuss over it. The school should have handled it better though.
And for those throwing the “narrow/closed-minded” cards so liberally, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. If public schools are being scrutinized for singing songs praising Jesus Christ, God, the Trinity, etc… then personally, I don’t think they should be able to sing songs praising ANY other deity. They should stick to secular music only. But, that would limit the horizons, musically speaking, and I don‘t think that’s right either.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:24pmThe leftists SCREAM SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, so the song IS INAPPROPRIATE and ACLJ should step in to see WHY they don’t follow their own rules!!!
Doesn’t our Constitution prevent this sort of thing?
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:28pmmaccow:
It seems to me that there are billions of songs and music out there that have NO religious connotations. SO, WHY USE THIS ONE? There is something amiss going on in that school and in others, I believe. THIS GOVERNMENT IS SETTING US UP FOR SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WHAT WE CAN SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES.
Think about it. Billions and millions of wonderful music out there and THEY USE THIS PIECE OF CRAP. why??????????????
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:29pmPersonally, I would have started singing the words, “JESUS IS THE LIGHT, LIGHT OF THE WORLD, OHHH, JESUS IS THE LIGHT, LIGHT OF THE WORLD. JESUS IS THE LIGHT, LIGHT OF THE WORLD, YES, JESUS IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD……..
2ND CHORUS, SAME AS THE FIRST………..OH…..JESUS IS THE LIGHT…….
If I were that young man, I would have replace all the words OUT LOUD, with the ones above or similar. I would have created CHAOS.
Report Post »Bonzo
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:34pmSomeboby must take a stand. Islam is a theo-political construct and does not belong here and should not be compared to Christianity. Unfortunately if you study the Christian Crusades you will find the Europeans fighting jihad. When history is not taught it will repeat itself.
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:55pmJMCC…whatever the rest of your name is…
I am no Bible thumper, and would not consider myself a “Christian” BUT if you can’t see where this is not just a Muslim song…then you are the blind one here. Maybe it’s because you have no concept of being loyal to anything or anyone but yourself. But what this song is doing is forcing people of other faiths to speak/sing the words that degrade their own beliefs…..In the name of what?!?!? Art….I have my own spiritual beliefs that i will not dilute for any reason….
This is the problem i have with war on faith by any religious/government group….a big part of it is diluting the message, and pretty much saying “Its okay to have fantasies, and in the art world we will commemorate them in song to appease you….Saddly people buy into this because it makes them feel special or something……but I don’t want my belief system to be treated as a novelty…..I don’t even care if others believe what i believe, but i don‘t want people to tell me i can’t believe it with everything I have.
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:56pmCongratulations!
Report Post »I need to make a similar decision concerning my participation in our community singing group. Thank you for standing up for your principles.
EndTheFedNOW
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:58pmThe blaze needs to run this story. But I doubt they will because they are pulling for big government war mongers
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-is-secretly-taking-over-the-gop-%e2%80%94-and-its-driving-people-insane/
Report Post »xtreme
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:06pmWhat happened to church and state separation?
I guess it only is when it is “convenient…
You can sing all you want about idols and false prophets and fake gods.
Washington, it makes perfect sense. they do NOT like the TRUTH, so it is easy to swallow the parts about all this violent, deadly “religion” However, something that has TRUTH in it (Bible) washington wants no part of it.
It is either separation of church and state or it is not, HOWEVER, the politicians are picking and choosing the ONE mental group that has ONE AGENDA, to DESTROY AMERICA, JEWS and CHRISTIANS. They are not peaceful, they are not tolerant as the gullible public had been swallowing.
Report Post »When killing innocent people is a way of life and they rejoice in others pain, they should be strung up and allowing us to use our imaginations on how to “peaceful and tolerantly” get along with them.
Why don’t we, being peaceful and tolerant kill them just like they do our people. Maybe that would get some attention.
The 1st thing is to get them out of America as we do not need people breeding killers on OUR SOIL!!
beckwasfox
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:37pmI am happy to know there are young people like this too.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:54pm@Xtreme
“I guess it only is when it is “convenient…
You can sing all you want about idols and false prophets and fake gods.”
One of their songs was a Christian song called Prayer of the Children. I’m guessing you missed that part, or else you’d be implying Christianity is about idols, false prophets, and fake gods.
Report Post »angiea
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:53pmI hope that fellow students can share the same courage and stand beside this young man. This teacher should loose his license, he clearly does not mind stomping on the faith of the Christian Students. This is sheer blasphemy! Christians – Unite and stand on the lawn of this school, Organize where ever this quoir performs with your signs and loud voice. Allah cannot be celebrated, he is a demon who’s followers are not tolerant, but want to kill whoever is not like them.
Report Post »chingachgook
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:18pm@BIBLE QUOTIN‘ SCIENCE FEARIN’ CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN get a life. The only thing that I regret that when the left who embrace any thing Anti-American finally cause the system to collapse it will not only collapse on them but all of us. Then we will all hear the “But I did not realize that would happen” chorus from them. truly sad. Not all things are equal! That applies to religions too.
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:21pmOk so they can’t wear the American flag on clothing to school, they can’t wear crosses or religious items to school, they can’t say merry Christmas, they can’t depict a manger scene, no Christmas tree, no prayers at school, but praising allah, allowed……….. what’s good for one God/Prophet, is good for em all.
Report Post »Congongrass
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:23pmThis issue has been blown totally out of proportion. As someone who has sung under this director, I can assure you that the choice was intended as a choice for a musical challenge. There is no intent to promote Islam. The men’s choral group is an after school activity, for which the director volunteers time. At the State Choral competition, 6 of the 8 students who went from Grand Junction came from this director’s choral groups. No one was required to sing the song in question and parents and students were offered a choice of accepting or rejecting the music in question.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:17pmI want to see the lyrics to the Christian song in the program.
Report Post »Sorry CONGONGRASS, but people have a right to be upset.
No more Merry Christmas, but its fine to sing the praises of Allah in public school.
awakeandalive24
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:56pmislam is in the Bible, they are the ones who wear the mark( ya know, the bad guys). Wake Up America! Quit acting like they are anything else
Report Post »simonmabee
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:11am@Captain Crunch
Using your logic I can make the following conclusions…
Who rapes little boys?….Catholic priests
Who practices polygamy?…Mormons
Who forms compounds?…Christians
Who takes their parishioners to remote South American jungle and organize a mass suicide?…Christians.
Who threw bombs into black churches during the civil rights movement?…Christians
Who practiced an apartheid state in south africa?…Christians
Who bombed innocents throughout the UK?…Christians (IRA)
Who bombed a hotel filled with British diplomats and innocents?…Jews
All of these are generalizations of entire faiths based on a minority that the faiths themselves reject and it’s not right to do this. It‘s the same logic you’re using on Islam
Report Post »Congongrass
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:18amThis has been totally blown out of proportion. The Men’s choral group is strictly a voluntary after school group which won honors last year in competiton. This young man attended only one recent rehearsal and never said a word until he contacted the TV station. He has a reputation for seeking attention and I guess he got more than he’d hoped for. The choral director selected this piece as a challenge for non-western tonality and its rythme, not for its message.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:06amCONGONGRASS,
I get it, I get it. You were all quite innocent of any intended provocation.
My guess is that for many here, that in itself is the problem. A Grand Junction high school is proving to us just how far the PC brainwashing has gone. As public places across the country are being scrubbed of any reference to Christianity, and it’s “Happy Holidays” at the Grand Junction Mall, it’s now all cool and cultural to sing praises to Allah at the local school. Tell me where I am wrong.
Don’t let your nearsightedness put you on the defensive and keep you from seeing the big picture here. The details of how this came about do not excuse the outcome.
Do yourself a favor and get a good book on Middle Eastern history and a copy of the Koran.
Report Post »Read them and pass them on to your music teacher friend. Your world view will never be the same.
People need to know who Allah is– according to the Koran itself.
Locked
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:57am@Getlife
“I want to see the lyrics to the Christian song in the program.”
Is there something preventing you from looking it up? Honestly, the first Google result is a video of the song performance, and the second is a link with the lyrics in it. The refrain is “Crying, ‘Jesus help me’.”
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:03amI said it before, and I’ll say it again. I don’t care if they sing Muslim songs as long as they are sanitized as much as Christian ones. My son is in his middle school choir. They take out the word God, Jesus and Christmas. They extend the “Oh-o” instead of saying Oh God. If they left in the words, There is no Truth but Allah, that’s not exactly sanitized, now is it? I’d like them to sing songs like I Am Free, Amazing Grace, etc. if they are going to include that one. But you know they put some sanitized version or wishy-washy song that could very well be secular and claimed to have a Christian song. How many Mosques are in that town anyway? None.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:39amThe locals act surprised that this item got national attention.The Senior is in Denver (Sodom of the State) today doing an interview with somebody over there. I sent e-mail to district 51 in support of the Patriotic
Report Post »student. and with Note to Jeff that Allah in English is Not God. Any pious Muslim would be offended if any ignorant American educator suggest Allah in English is God. If the song was chosen simply for its sound in Erdooo ignorant of the meaning of the sounds then Why did the music director provide translation.If the Student misunderstood the intent then the guy who wrote the song failed to express his intent clearly in that song. And perhaps the ones most in need of cultural education through music is the bloody freakin’ slaves to Allah who think they honor God by their destruction and murder.I reminded them who brought down the World Trade Center on 9-11-01 and who murdered 14 and wounded more than thirty at Ft.Hood. while our Government and educators refuse to call it WAR.
son-shine63
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:47amSpeaking of the “one world religion” in the last days – here it comes…….prepare…!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:12amjmc. of course we would be ok with a Christian song because we are a Christian nation.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:08amThe Christian song is indeed just a song, in which some children pray “jesus help me,“ in the midst of a world where ”a gospel full of hate,” is their daily bread. Jesus is in no way or manner recognized/exalted as God in this song. A Muslim could sing this song, since they view Jesus as a (blessed) prophet of God.
http://www.lyricstime.com/insideout-prayer-of-the-children-lyrics.html
By contrast, the Muslim “song” is actually a STATEMENT OF FAITH in Allah, the god of Islam. A Christian CANNOT make that statement, no matter if it is recited or done to music. Stating or singing that “There is no truth except Allah,” and that he is “eternal and immortal” pretty much echoes the Qur’an, and when done to music, the singer is not only MAKING a statement of faith, but EXALTING Allah.
MACCOW et al., if you sing that song, you are DENYING the one true God, YAHWEH, and inviting every demon in hell into your heart. Where is your knowledge of the spirit world, for crying out loud?
To those who say “Allah” is the Arabic generic word for “god,” you either lie or are as ignorant as the parents who allowed their children to profess faith in Allah. “Allah,” is a proper name, like Yahweh is. It is the NAME of the god worshipped by Islam, and the spirit we Christians discern to be Satan, the author of death and violence on Earth.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:43pmIt could be that Obama song those kids sang to the Bye Bye Birdie’s “Oh Conrad, We Love You”
But glad he made his choice. See?, they didn’t have to BAN it either. How about that.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:28pmSaw this and it explained the difference:
The Iman stated that “ALLAH” translated to God and was the same God as worshipped by Jesus. Well, any reading of the Quran will show that view is ABSOLUTELY wrong. The God described in the Quran has absolutely NO relationship resembling the God worshipped by Jews or Christians.
The “God” worshipped by Muslims is hateful, non-forgiving, and dislikes women. Even a cusory reading will reveal that. The muslim God is derived from the original worship of the moon god (Al-lah) and the “mohammed” replacement used this term to get “his” religion more easily accepted.
The idea that the god muslims worship is the same that the Jews and Christians worship is a lie that the Iman who said it on TV knows all too well. He used a lie to infidels (in order to convert them or to make it easier to convert them to islam) knows as Taqiyya.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:48pm@jmcclena
Report Post »Perhaps one day you will develop some common sense when you get rid of your liberal wacko ways. For one thing, “Christian” songs do not state that God is the only true God or anything like that (He is by the way)! Another thing is that NO ONE is trying to for Christianity down anyone’s throat. When Christian songs are sung, they are singing that He is good and He is great and anyone that does not believe or feel that way is not made to sing it. Based on the stupid statement you made I would have to say that you probably claim to be atheist (which is crock since technically there is no such thing. However, like most “atheists” you try to force “atheism” down OUR throats and try to ban us from worshiping God in public or anywhere else and like a typical “atheist” you try to justify your attempts to prevent us from worshiping by claiming that we do. I have heard a lot of STUPID remarks by people and you can be proud because yours is right up there alongside the most stupid ones. To get back to the story, whoever sings this song is proclaiming that allah (a moon god) is that “There is no truth except Allah” and “Allah is the only eternal and immortal.” which like just about everything that “atheists” say is an absolute lie. We will still pray for you that you get recognize and accept God as the creator of everything as well as some common sense. God bless and love you!
Bossdog803
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:46pm“The song was chosen because its rhythms and other qualities would provide an opportunity to exhibit the musical talent and skills of the group in competition, not because of its religious message or lyrics,” Kirtland told FoxNews in an email. ”
BULL-PUCKY!!!
Report Post »Wrath1
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 1:54pmI’m honestly not sure what to think of this because on one hand they apparently included this song as well…
Can you hear the prayer of the children
on bended knee, in the shadow of an unknown room?
Empty eyes with no more tears to cry
turning heavenward toward the light.
Crying,” Jesus, help me
to see the morning light of one more day,
but if I should die before I wake,
I pray my soul to take.”
Can you feel the hearts of the children
aching for home, for something of their very own.
Reaching hands with nothing to hold onto
but hope for a better day, a better day.
Crying,” Jesus, help me
to feel the love again in my own land,
but if unknown roads lead away from home,
give me loving arms, away from harm.”
(oooooo la la la la etc etc.)
Can you hear the voice of the children
softly pleading for silence in their shattered world?
Angry guns preach a gospel full of hate,
blood of the innocent on their hands.
Crying,” Jesus, help me
to feel the sun again upon my face?
For when darkness clears, I know you’re near,
bringing peace again.”
The video with the Islamic song however does have me a little worried 1. for the obvious reasons but 2. on the video I believe I believe I saw an image, about 3:38 in to it, of Panama, Mexico, and the Northern part of South America In flames… now I don‘t speak the language so I can’t know the content of it but to me it reminded me alittle too much of radicals desire to raze the “west” to the ground. but again
Report Post »Reeferman
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:19pmAt 54 I never dreamed I would be seeing what is happening in the world today.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:29pmMetha Country strikes again!
Look! Where are the advocates of separation of church and state? I know people who went to school in this railroad town, their good, honest and very hardworking folks who do not wish to have foisted on them some foreign false god and for some of them no god at all.
The line has been crossed here people…make no mistake, the Islamification of America is showing up everywhere. Why on earth would those who so hate the God of the Bible want to turn around and adopt such a thing as this? Why? Because Satan is working over time through the false religion of Islam to foist his control over the last Christian nation on earth.
Get it straight ppl! We wrestle not against principalities and powers but against evil….EVIL! Do not sing that song. Saying those words means Allah reigns supreme above all other gods. There is not other than Allah according to them.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph..Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus predates this made up allah by thousands of years!
Dedicated to my old Navy buddy!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:58am@Chiefgeorge
“Look! Where are the advocates of separation of church and state?”
The Supreme Court’s been pretty clear on what the separation of church and state means: either you allow several views or faiths, or you allow none. This choir had several songs from different backgrounds and faiths; ergo, no breach of the separation, because it’s not promoting one religion above others (as opposed to, say, a school prayer that is strictly Christian in terminology).
If Islamic fundamentalists break the law, throw them in jail. There’s a clear line between peaceful prayer and encouraging or actually participating in violence. Until that line is crossed, they have every right to practice their religion – peacefully. Prosecuting for what people MIGHT do, or MIGHT believe, is the sign of a totalitarian state.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:15am@locked,
Apparantly that decision is not clear enough because a kid graduating cannot thank personally their God call him by name without having the administration in an uproar asking said student strike that from their speeches. This has happened more than once across this land!
Islamists and or Christians are not free to WORSHIP at school and that is not even being debated here but you bring it up as if its still a right…
If this kid wants to drop choir over the matter its no different than an atheist except that the atheist will contact the ACLU and file a formal complaint to have it removed from the school just like they are doing over the pledge.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:38am@REFFERMAN: I’m with you. I’d have walked out with that brave young man, James, in protest to what that song was saying. How can you worship another God? There is but ONE GOD. HE is not the one called Allah who encourages all the things Muslims participate in: like murder to Americans,
Airline security and TSA is because of the Muslims belief they need to kill the infidels (us). Folks, Our God and Savior has told us many will come in his name and Allah is NOT our GOD.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:52am@Chiefgeorge
“Apparantly that decision is not clear enough because a kid graduating cannot thank personally their God call him by name without having the administration in an uproar asking said student strike that from their speeches. This has happened more than once across this land!”
I’m not positive that thanking God in a graduation speech has been banned; do you have a case name? Closest I could find Medina Valley, which didn’t ban mention of God, but prayer (they went and did it anyway). I don’t agree with it; I think students should be allowed to express their views; but I understand the reasoning: the school had to agree to it (thus endorsing prayer); it’s done at a school event (thus implying the school endorses it); and it’s done with school equipment (sound system, stage, etc… again, implying endorsement).
“Islamists and or Christians are not free to WORSHIP at school and that is not even being debated here but you bring it up as if its still a right”
Not sure why you brought it up, as I never mentioned WORSHIP (as you did). Students of all faiths are allowed to pray so long as it doesn’t interrupt academics or intimidate others. Religious displays that are academic in nature are allowed (ie, you can have a display about Christianity as long as displays about other religions are allowed; none of them can say things like “Convert to our religion or burn in Hell” though).
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:23pmThere is no God but God [allah being the arabic word for god yet you deceivers imply in your using arabic for god that they are separate words-deceiveing is a sin by the way you hypocites] is something all monotheistic faiths can agree on.and islam is essentially a revival of ancient judaism-nothing more.You are genocidal anti0semites [against muslims this time] and you need obama[and the democrats] to keep you 21stc nazis in check.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:52pmthat’s because you were only aware of being a big fish in a small pond.the 21stc is the c of all people-not just your provincial american self serving narrative .every one will have their say in spite of-not because of your attampt to control the narrative and the people of the world.welcome to the 21stc-inaugurated by alquada-the c of people-not regimes or nation states-not even hyper capitalizitic ones like america. the only way you know how to deal with this peoples century is to hypermilitarize-hence the glorification of the military and nationalism is your new religion.you’re on the wrong side of history though and the people are rising up everywhere and democratic ssocialism will come to the shores of america too.you ring wingers stand for nothing but work- till -you- drop-if you’re rich- you- must- be -good- puritanism.even on social issues-sooner or later you adapt to the libersals imposing cultural norms down your throat[gay marriage,abortion etc].You stand for nothing except anacronisms.no wonder you’re lashing out at muslims.They are your scapegoats.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:01pmDeath to the cult of Islam …
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:49pmOk…ROSE-ELLEN..one more time in English please.
Report Post »JoeyVonTrapp
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:05pmA god ( like allah – I refuse to write that name wit a capital letter) that encourages people to kill other people because of different/other believes and that makes people to look at women as inferior should never be accepted in a democratic country. If people want to worship this kind of god then they should stay in their own country.
Look at the countries where there’s a war going on now…. only muslim countries. The explanation is written above.
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:57pmRoe (is) Smellin…..Listen sister (brother ) or whatever you are (a Harpie is what comes to mind) you really need to take your lithium at regular intervals otherwise incihernace and confusion reigns….Also someone call Bellvue and let them know the Harpie has found the Computer and is bombarding us with her .10 cent education once again….sigh.
If the Harpie is indicative of the “left’s braintrust” then compomise and rewasoning with such is an imposibility. Better to have the Harpie and her ilk sent to some small island off Greece where they can relive thier glory years ( The Odyssey) without bothering the rest of us sane folk.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:06pmRose—
“21stc is the c of all people-not just your provincial american self serving narrative .every one will have their say in spite of-not because of your attampt to control the narrative and the people of the world”
Great. After all, the Soviet people, Il Populo d’Italia, and das deutsche Volk all worked out so well last “c”, how could the same idea on larger scale turn out badly?
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:18pmF allah, F islam, F muslims, and F anyone that likes and or supports them, im so sick of hear about crap like this. When do we as a nation finally say, thats enough, and do something about it?And im not talking about grabbing the bible, and trying to pray it away, it never has worked and never will.Go ahead, show me one instance where, God wiped evil off the planet, um say like the germans, and Hitler.No, i am not an atheist, or a nonbeliever, but i am a realist, even God expects one to get off their knees and fend for themselves at times…….
Report Post »Eleutheria
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:40pmMohamed was the hermaphroditic hybrid son of a swine and a dog.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:45pm@ DRAGO- “Go ahead, show me one instance where, God wiped evil off the planet”
Report Post »************
During the time of Noah and Lot.
Ded-Bred
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:27amThe reason that ball of wax sickens you, & angers you is because of the spiritual evil, the force with a face, and an agenda: to kill. Steal. And destroy. I just call him the enemy. When Muhammad received the first ‘visits’ from Allah, he was terrified & thought it was the devil. The God who created us has visited many in human likeness. While they were all afraid, but none thought he was evil. Point is: This hate breeding murderous religion is literally chewing up mankind. And you’re absolutely right: There’s no discussing peace. None are peaceful. The word Islam Muslims will tell you means peace. They lie: It means ‘submission’. Evil
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:55amIgnorant fool.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:11pmI love it when people who believe in magic powers call other people ignorant for not believing in magic powers.
If you applied the same standard of proof that you expect from the democrats to your religion it would fold faster than Glenn Beck’s Fox show.
Report Post »babylonvi
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:11pmEveryone should lighten up, it’s just MUSIC, not intended to be a religious experience. I‘m sure the choir instructor’s union has given instructions on being gracious to our future masters. Besides, the article states “Rahman, who has sold hundreds of millions of records and is well-known in his homeland“ so though I am not familiar with the ”music”(sounded like Rap to me) I am familiar with his noodles, have eaten them many time and found them to be quite good.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:20pmAs Obama always says: WORDS HAVE MEANING!
Report Post »madzell
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:25pmIf someone sent a christian song to a school in Saudi Arabia do you think they would be singing it? Most schools will not allow any Christian based music of any kind.. my daughter wanted to sing a song that was a crossover to the pop charts from the christian charts.. and was denied.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:27pmHe just couldn’t sing the line “lalalalalllalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala…….booooom”
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:30pmYour name is fitting for the times.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:39pmHis Arms open wide.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:41pmLighten up, it’s just music? Tell that to all the people who are FORBIDDEN to sing OR PLAY INSTRUMENTAL VERSIONS of traditional Christian Christmas Carols! WHY is there no scream about separation of Church and State over Islamic content? Under Islam, there IS no separation- Islam IS the State! You can‘t say the Christians can’t have theirs, the Jews can’t have theirs, but the Moo-slums can have whatever they want, bit by bit and more and more! Wake up!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:52pm@DARMOK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
;-)
Report Post »One of the Quiet Ones
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:11amI guess you didn’t read this story on the blaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/oliver-stones-son-converts-to-islam-during-visit-to-iran/
Half way to becoming a muslim.
The shahada is the Islamic profession of the faith, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.” To convert to Islam, one simply has to recite this while believing it in one’s heart.
Now when forced to convert under the sword I don’t think they care that it is under duress.
Report Post »One of the Quiet Ones
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:17amDoh missed the noodle joke first time.
Report Post »FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:29amI’m familiar with his noodles. one of the greatest comments ever. Too bad it was missed by so many like SKREWEDRETIREE who may want to look into something the kids are calling sarcasm. you know you can eat Ramen noodles right out the bag, fantastic.
Report Post »ldaopines
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:53amYou keep poo-pooing making a fuss over these incremental steps, and before you know it we are destroyed from within…….and it will be our fault for saying things like, “oh it’s just music”.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:50amT A Q I U Y Y A ! Is why you should not permit this song in an American School. Now, lets hear all the Muslims out there lie about what Taqiuyya means.
Report Post »filiusdracul
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:30pmThis country was founded on religious freedom so we should let any song that celebrates Islam be sung…BY MUSLIMS!..which I doubt that any of those kids are. Why make people proclaim something that they don’t believe in? Let’s be real, there is enough fake in the world.
Report Post »Samsss
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:07pmThis young man is the very kind of American that we need lots more of!! Jeff Kirtland needs to somewhere that he is never around children – or young men like James even. For those who seem to have forgotten, this (in spite of what Obama says) IS a Christian nation (thanks be to God) and will remain so for as long as there are God fearing Christians here and the Constitution remains rule of law. I“m aware that ”this is just a song” but to that, let me write a little thing that I’ve seen to be true, over and over in my 72 years here: “The unfamiliar spoken enough, soon becomes the familiar. Then, it becomes the “accepted” – and eventually, the “accepted” becomes the “normal”! There should be incentive for at least 50% of this nation to object to “Mohammadism” becoming the “normal” here – and that is the subjugation of women. How can we (men or women) forget (overlook, ignore, disregard, not consider, believe, allow) or EVER think that the Muslim religion is something that we as Americans could endure given the freedoms that we know in this incredible country! God, please bless and save these United States of America
Report Post »Got2bRoni
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:08pmThis young man is a hero. We need more young people to stand for truth. God bless this young man.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:18pmI’m calling the white house tomorrow and suggest the kid gets a medal of honor!
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:44pm@Turkey13 – Can’t happen. The Medal of Honor is a military award. I think you might mean the Presidential Medal of Freedom, but Obummer only gives that to Democrats, Deviants and Moo-slums, I bet.
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:08pmGood for the student. When his own faith was tested he succeeded.
Report Post »Silat
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:08pmDumb ass! Allah is the ancient Arab moon god! Read history.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:14pmAllah is a d-bag, and the non-prophet Mohammad is the jam under my toe.
So easy, even a high school student can see it.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:31pmallah is nothing so he can’t be something you can say he is…is!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:38pm@ SILAT- How bout just reading the Qur’an:
And among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate (bow down in worship) yourselves to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah (Arabic, word for God Almighty), Who created them, if it is Him that you wish to serve.
But if the (unbelievers) are proud, (it does not matter): Because, in the Presence of your Lord are those (His, Angels) who celebrate His Praises by night and by day. And they are never tired of it (nor feel themselves above it).
And among His sign is this: You see the earth with nothing growing and wasted, but when We (Allah) send down rain to it, it is (gently) brought to life and the plants regrow. Truly, He Who gives life to it (the earth which is dead) can surely give life to the dead. Indeed, over all things, He is most Powerful Able to do all things. (Holy Qur’an 41:37-39)
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:47pm@Surhansurhan- And the Believers flew the jets into the World Trade Center, killing thousands in the name of Allah, and it was good…right? F U Very Much.
Report Post »FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:38amI’m taking night classes at F.U. Infidel. It’s mostly a party school.
Report Post »FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:55amBTW surhansurhan you keep WHITE lab rats as slaves in your pants and we don’t complain about it. could you please quote some more from the Quran?
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:21amThe “qur’an” was written by mohammeds left hand.
Report Post »The influence was mo’s effluence.
C. Schwehr
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:30amSURHANSURHAN: And muslims keep slaves to this day! They also treat women as nothing but sex toys (when they aren’t buggering their buddies). They also use the koran to justify killing their wives, molesting their children, and killing anyone who doesn’t supmit to their sickness…this is a “religion of peace”…the peace of the grave, and that is all! Anyone who promotes or defends this religion of perversion is a diseased DOG!
Report Post »F.O.S. DIAPERHEAD
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:21am@surhan Sorry buddy but it looks like you’re religion got hijacked. As much as we would like to help free it, I‘m afraid we’re going to have to take that plane down before it causes greater damage. If only the muslim church were trying to re-educate us all as aggresively then as they are now (???), maybe we could have avoided this predicament. Sorry, but the plane must now go down. Don‘t worry Allah will sort ya’ll out.
We are all God’s children- yes. But when it comes to my kid or yours, guess which one I’m choosing. America First and Forever. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. Don’t tell us who to worship! Don’t tell us what the truth IS. We are Perfectly capable of finding it ourselves. Don’t mess with our freedom or we will take you down.
Report Post »Arktiger
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:07pmAs the liberals are so quick to tell everyone separation of church and state; if the 10 commandments have to be removed… then a voluntary group that is using public school buildings, being ran by a public school teacher needs to be removed… The left is always crying to be fair than be fair get rid of CAIR
Report Post »thekuligs
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:06pmHow do you misinterpret the meaning of “There is no truth but allah” ?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:02pmMy question is if the song is a translation, why didn’t they ALSO translate the word “Allah” into what it MEANS, which is GOD.
Theists do the darnedest things.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:07pmYou need to read what this Egyptian Christian has written about Islam .. which he was FORCED to study in his homeland.
http://www.thestraightway.org/
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:46pmBut yet you’d be screaming bloody murder if they were singing a Christian song, hypocrite.
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:44amIl lah is the arabic for “god”
Report Post »allah means “the god.”
Puddle Duck
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:25pmCATB…that pic of Obammer in the rag…I never thought Kenyan depends were THAT big…I was wrong. No wonder nothing is known of Obama prior to recently scrubbed, Demcrat approved history. There is no way this man would have made office if the truth was known. The MSM has sold the country down the river (and for what ).
Disgusting what the Democrats have done in the past 30 years…..they should be barred from the halls of power forever more IMO. No more false patriots, lying, back stabbing politicians of any stripe.
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:02pmHow, given the court decisions over the last fifty years, can anyone have any objections to this? All religions are evil and must be destroyed exempt that islam stuff. Well everyone knows its not a religion.
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:58pmYou never know what’s, what today…But the student seems to be a very bright young man ..Who articulates himself very well, Good for him to have the guts to stand by his beliefs and convictions…More Americans could learn from him …
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:57pmIf we are to survive as a nation, obama’s muslim-terrorists must be stopped. America is at war with the death-cult of islam.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:12pmDid you know that according to this well educated man originally from Egypt (an American citizen now) .. Obamacare is to bring in more Muslims .. which they are educating to fill Doctor positions in the U.S?
http://www.thestraightway.org/
Report Post »purecolorartist
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:57pmJeff Kirtland …F him – Allah is becoming an enemy of the United States, sorry!
Report Post »Seth Patriot
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:55pmCAIR is celebrating while the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:28pm@ SETH PATRIOT- Thomas Jefferson read the Qur’an regularly. It is often said by me and others that Thomas Jefferson was Muslim. Thomas Jefferson‘s Qur’an is stored in the Library of Congress. It was used by Congressman Ellison recently during his swearing in ceremony.
There is less proof that Barack Obama is Muslim than there is for Thomas Jefferson.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:51pmObama’ father was a Muslim … if you renounce Islam of your father you are killed .. Obama is alive …conclusion … Obama is a Muslim
“The world is reaching a cross-roads, a dangerous turning point regarding the threat of Islamofascism. According to the Qur’an, Islam has always had world domination as it’s ultimate goal, but now it’s sights are firmly fixed on America. Muslim groups and organizations have infiltrated our culture, seeking to establish Sharia (Islamic Law) across our great nation. With the election of Barack Hussein Obama as President, our political leadership has installed Muslims in powerful and key positions across the federal government. In this thought-provoking seminar, Usama draws upon current events in the news to demonstrate how quickly we are moving towards “one nation under Islam.” His message is clear: America, now is the time to choose, to choose Freedom, or to unknowingly choose to Surrender to Islam. You will want to share this powerful call to action with family and friends. Freedom or Surrender–it’s time to choose.”
http://www.thestraightway.org/DVDs.asp
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:52pm@Surhansurhan – Jefferson sent the US Navy to beat the Barbary Pirates of Tripoli, who were Muslims, or do you dispute that?
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:54pmJefferson read the Koran to educate himself on the culture of the Barbary pirates who were attacking our ships in the Mediterranean. He did so since he was ordering our armed forces to fight them. To be fair I don’t believe Obama is a real Muslim either. I think he is worse, a man who tries to bend religion to his own use and for his own glorification. He invokes Christian, Jewish and Muslim scripture at will but seems to really follow none of it.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:06amSURHANSURHAN, Thomas Jefferson did read the Qur’an, but you really do need to come to grips with the reason why. It was to gain some background understanding for dealing with the Barbary Pirates. Yeah, another wonderfully peaceful bunch of Muslims. Try not to distort the truth in the future. Killed any Kennedy(s) lately? I think that most of us here understand your moniker as the slap at us all for what it is.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:32am@ SKREWEDRETIREE; DOUGRAL SUPPORTS ISRAEL; RJJINGADSDEN- I wish that I could place a $1000.00 bet with each of you guys, to show us (the Blaze readers) a scripture from the Qur’an that says anything about pirates or Barbary pirates. You guys would lose big time.
Please, if you want to know about Islam stay away from Wikipedia! Get a ‘World Book Encyclopedia’ to see what non-Muslims say about Islam, the Qur’an and Muhammad.
Report Post »FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:50amSurhan You may be on to something. I remember seeing Thomas Jefferson with a turban on his powdered wig and have never seen him eating a hotdog. He wife didn’t wear a garbage bag on her head though. Hmmmm I don’t know what to think. I heard congressman Ellison was sworn in on a TV guide. By the way Surhansurhan does Allah mean moon god? Wikipedia said it did. I tried to find it in the Quran but all it talks about is pirates!
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:39am@surhan surhan
Report Post »I’m sick to death of you and your religion of satan attempting revisionist history ,to justify the fact, that the only contribution y’all made to this country ,was our desire to keep you out.There is no doubt in my mind ,that jefferson read the koran.How else do you get a handle on your enemys mind set?So tell me what founding father was muslim.I’ll tell you.NOT A ONE OF THEM.There were some moors that settled here.They were seafarers and pirates,not muslims.
Whats wrong realize that a bust is about to made concerning your other revisionist history?Don‘t tell me you coward that you don’t know what I’m talking about.You most assuredly do.
goahead.makemyday
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:51amPeople please, stop getting upset and attacking each other. We’re starting to sound like presidential candidates. If we keep going like this I’m going to feel compelled to help defend SURHAN, I don’t agree with Islam but he is still a person. The moment we start attacking others and shouting over people we become no better than the OWS.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:57amcaptain, the arabic symbol for allah IS in the antient texts: Codex Vaticanus:Revelations 13:18 “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the multitude of the beast: for it is the multitude of a man; and his number is الله.”
THIS IS BISMALLAH(Codex Vaticanus written PRIOR to the birth of muhammad)!
S irhancyberjihadsatan can’t
U surp the
R eality that the
H istorical and / or
A rchaeological evidence
N eeded to
S anctify the quran as the perfect
U nblemished Word of God DOES NOT EXIST.
R ighteous Almighty God has provided all the
H istorical and
A rchaeological evidence
N eeded to Prove The Sacred Bible as the true Word of God. :]
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES of
surhancyberjihadsatan’s buddies havin a picnic!
http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958
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Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:51pmReligious songs in school? Gasp!
Report Post »What will the Christian zealots say now that doesn’t make them sound like flaming hypocrites?
SeekerEmerald
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:20pmI would say, if you allow one, you must allow all. If you ban one, you must ban all.
Report Post »The whole idea that you can’t even bring a religious book to school, or have a prayer club, or even mention the word God is moronic. BUT, if the left wants to ban all those things, then this too must not be allowed. In my opinion, the correct way is to stop letting the atheists decide what we can and can’t say and do in school, which would also then allow this song.
Git-R-Done
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:48pmBut you Marxists want to ban Christian songs yet allow for Islamic songs? Looks like you’re the hypocrites on here.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:07pm@SeekerEmerald
[I would say, if you allow one, you must allow all. If you ban one, you must ban all.]
Exactly.
[The whole idea that you can’t even bring a religious book to school,]
I don’t believe your premiss is true. You can bring pretty much any reading material you want to school as long as it is not pornographic. And you can read it to “yourself” on your “spare” time but at no point should it ever infringe someone else’s individual liberty.
[or have a prayer club, or even mention the word God is moronic.]
You can have a prayer club at your church and you can mention god all you want until you become an irritation to your peers. However religion is not a legitimate function of government thus it is not the job of a taxpayer funded government school to be reciting prayers. They can educate you about the many different types of religion, they cannot however indoctrinate you into believing one. Which is essentially what that song entails.
[the correct way is to stop letting the atheists decide what we can and can’t say]
Report Post »This isn’t about what you as an individual can or cannot say.
It is about what government can or cannot do.
Religion is not a legitimate function or an inalienable right of the “government”.
Of which includes tax payer funded government schools.
How can that be made anymore clear?
Melvin Spittle
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:50pmThe Department of Education needs to accurately reflect their mission by renaming the department to the Department of Indoctrination.
Report Post »David Foxfire
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:49pmWhere’s Yusaf Islam (AKA Cat Stevens) when you need him. There’s gotta be a Islamic song that can appeal to all religions. Doesn’t “Peace Train” qualify?
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:56pmHow about the Animals, “Boom Boom”?
Boom, boom boom boom!
Gonna shoot ya right down…
Now THAT’s Islam…
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:20pmhere’s another take on what the allah is:
Proquci Prodesse1 day ago
I grew up in the Middle East, first moving to the Gulf States in 78. I have lived throughout the whole region, every Gulf State, Iraq many times, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, and recently, although 40% Orthodox Christian, Central Asia and the Stan States. I have lived under islamic sharia in many Countries, I understand the mind set, the fabric of the Arab Culture and how islam is a part of it and rules every inch of the life of the moslem. Allah is not the God of the Christians and or the Jews
. We are entering sad times as islam is now upon us all and we will be forced to live under islamic sharia, for a time and then, its curtains for islam. Do not be fooled, islam is not a religion, islam is a political ideology and must be treated as such. islamic sharia law is the heart of islam and a simple way to slay the beast without the need for spilling of blood, bullets and bombs and that is to through the judicial system “OUTLAW AND CRIMINALISE SHARIA” .. Its that simple. The mosque cannot operate unless it is in accordance with sharia. Halal food cannot be served unless it is islamically slaughtered in accordance with sharia. The imam of the mosque cannot give his sermon unless it is adhering to the laws of sharia. A moslem cannot be a moslem unless he also follows islamic sharia. And one cannot be forced to be moslem but one can be forced to live under sharia as a Dhimmi . http://www.dhimmitude
Report Post »manster35
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:47pmThat is one strong young man. God bless him for having the guts to stand up and be counted. We need many many more like him. We are loosing our minds and the schools flat out are lost . God help us all.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:19amAgreed. Good for that young man.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:46pmapologies…HIGH SCHOOL Student.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:46pmAllah means God…and if memory serves me correctly it was once used in Christian Bibles a long time ago. Was there anything in the song that renounced Jesus Christ? If not, what’s the problem…?
Report Post »Ezekiel39
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:52pmAllah is a moon God, this pagen diety is not mentioned in the Bible.
Report Post »manster35
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:56pmwow, thier are all kinds of god’s out there. allah is a little g god. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Moses. By stating allah is god you are deminishing the one true GOD the creator of the Universe. There is a difference.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:16pm@ LUMBAR SPINE- “Allah means God…and if memory serves me correctly it was once used in Christian Bibles a long time ago.”
**************
You’re 100% correct. For you idiots out there that keep repeating that some ole tired refrain; “Allah is the moon god” Here is what the Qur’an says:
And among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate (bow down in worship) yourselves to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah (Arabic, word for God Almighty), Who created them, if it is Him that you wish to serve.
But if the (unbelievers) are proud, (it does not matter): Because, in the Presence of your Lord are those (His, Angels) who celebrate His Praises by night and by day. And they are never tired of it (nor feel themselves above it).
And among His sign is this: You see the earth with nothing growing and wasted, but when We (Allah) send down rain to it, it is (gently) brought to life and the plants regrow. Truly, He Who gives life to it (the earth which is dead) can surely give life to the dead. Indeed, over all things, He is most Powerful Able to do all things. (Holy Qur’an 41:37-39)
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:02amDoctrines of devils.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:28amSurhanSurhan
You’re a LIAR. Allah was NEVER used the the Bible or the Torah. The god you worship is the Devil, the father of all lies. Like father like son as the saying goes. Oh I forgot you Muslims say God has no son. That’s all I need to know about you. You are the true infidels. Don’t try to lecture us with your lies and your threats of murder. Some of us don’t roll over.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:37amSurhan
Report Post »Contrary to Muslim claims, the word “Allah” is never found in the Bible
in either Hebrew and Greek.
The closest two words we find are the Hebrew “alah”
(which means to curse, mourn or rise, and is never applied to God)
and the Hebrew word “Elah” (Strongs 425)
which means has been translated either oak or turpentine tree. Isa 6:13.
So apart form the superficial similarity in appearance arguing Allah is in the Bible
because of similarities…
Is like saying Mormon is in the Qur’an because it looks like Muslim…!
FROTHYDISCHARGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:07amSurhanSurhan. you’re right. Allah does mean moon god. thanks for clearing this up.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:08am@ SAWBUCK- The word Allah was taken out of the Bible. I think you might be able to find it in a Scofield Bible. At one point the word was there.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:33amThey spell it Elah when they are talking about Hebrew or Aramaic, but it is a Hebrew and Aramaic word for God, and it’s pretty much the same as the Arabic word for God. Allah is the word that Arab Christians use when they worship in Arabic, so anyone who goes nuts at the sound of the word is just a stupid, ignorant bigot.
Report Post »unbound1
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:42amallah may be the generic name for god, but the God (YWHW) of the Bible is distinctly different from the god of the Quran so they are not the same. If a Christian who believes in YWHW of the Holy Bible says another god is the one true god, he/she would be going against their beliefs.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:45amAll hail the little moon god. He is apparently the reflection of the sun. Kinda dim for a god. Kinda less than mohammed had hoped I believe. So mohammed made killing the infidel the exciting part of the story to keep things rolling. And the ignorant fell for it like rats on cheese. Still do. It’s a Ron Hubbard type “religion” that appeals to the simple minded goat herders. And louts.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:28am@ RAYBLUE- And among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate (bow down in worship) yourselves to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah (Arabic, word for God Almighty), Who created them, if it is Him that you wish to serve.
But if the (unbelievers) are proud, (it does not matter): Because, in the Presence of your Lord are those (His, Angels) who celebrate His Praises by night and by day. And they are never tired of it (nor feel themselves above it).
And among His sign is this: You see the earth with nothing growing and wasted, but when We (Allah) send down rain to it, it is (gently) brought to life and the plants regrow. Truly, He Who gives life to it (the earth which is dead) can surely give life to the dead. Indeed, over all things, He is most Powerful Able to do all things. (Holy Qur’an 41:37-39)
Report Post »onemansthoughts
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:37am@SurhanSurhan
The Quran is not Gods word….the oldest revelation as to who God is and his revealing himself to the world is the Tora. Romans 3:2 The Oracles of God were committed to the Jews
Report Post »YHWH is the only true God….Any religion or people can say who ever they want is the Almighty God, but only the God of the bible as revealed, is the one true triune God. Col 2:9 for in him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
The Muslims say God has no son…..This Allah is not the creator and Islam is not the religion through Mohammad revealed. Jesus is God the Son (Col 1:6 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth. Visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers, all thing were created by him and for him) John 1:1 ….The Word was God….v:14 and became flesh…..
Do not say Allah and Jesus are the same God…Isa 9:6 for unto us a child is born, unto to us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace. This is God not Allah and his false prophet Mohammad..
Case closed…the triune God…Jesus is the Almighty God. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, these three are ONE…..
Rayblue
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:57am“Mouthy” louts.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:18amSurhan …
Your as deceiving as the one you follow….!
People should know better to follow a cult that is led by
A deceiving illiterate pedophile ,that was possessed by a evil spirit …
So much so …His wife told him they were visions from Allah .
It was that …
OR
He was just having epileptic seizures and his wife convinced him
they were vision from Allah …
Take your pick..!
Also in regard to you claim of “Scofield” …!
Your proof of Allah in the Bible…
Using the “Scofield reference Bible” as proof…!
Is completely false …!
It is within a COMMENTARY section in the words of Scofield, where he uses the word “Elah” and “Alah”.
Scofield’s comments do not prove Allah is used in the Bible, but are “HIS” own personal opinions.
Scofield does not use the word “Allah”, but “Elah” and “Alah”.
Commentators opinions are no proof Allah is in the Bible!
The fact remains that in the Hebrew original text of the Bible, the word “Allah” is never found!
It is obvious that the consensus of modern scholarship disagreed with Scofield’s opinion…!
For this reason…They removed it from the revised edition.
It is very unlikely they were thinking of Islam at all, when they chose to remove the comments.
And I would bet your shinny sword ..
Report Post »That Scofield himself would have revised the references himself, if he knew how Muslims were going pervert and distort his words..!
heartitorleaveit
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:53amSirhan, you state the Bible is not the word of God….
-(Quran, 3:3)”… and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)…”
-(Quran, 6:34)”…there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah…” .
– sirhan you claim Allah’s words were changed by saying the Gospels are corrupt? That means you do not believe the Quran either! You state that God’s word is never changed, but the Bible is changed. You say it USED TO BE completely true, but now it has truth combined with error. If that is so, then why do you quote it when it is convenient for you sirhan?
Sirhansatan you say the Bible is valid when it agrees with the Quran but they will say it is wrong when it contradicts the Quran. BLASPHEME!
Sirhansatan, You dont believe what Jesus said about Himself. You say the Bible is corrupt, but who corrupted it and when was it corrupted? If you don’t know, then don’t say it.
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Why do you continue to repeat the same old stuff that has already been answered so many times? Are you not interested in the truth? Or, are you just interested in repeating the same old errors?
TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:51pmIf you truly want to know what the problem is, see my earlier post a couple pages back. I lay it out in detail for suhansurhan.
Report Post »mountainmover101
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:41pmMuslims do indeed serve the moon god. There is only one God. Christians serve the One. No one else does. It is pretty simple really. Twisting the truth out of context plus using arcane theories and unsubstantiated esoteric references has always been the method of those that would deceive.
Report Post »Gomek
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:10pmThis is true, Allah is the moon good, little more than a pile of stones in Mecca around 1000 BC if memory serves me. Another thing I don’t understand is, how Islam glams on to their connection to Abraham. Abraham had sex with Sarah’s handmaiden Hagar thus producing Ishmael one of the first decedents of Islam. It‘s clear in scripture that God did not approve of Abraham’s disobedience to God and later had a child Isaac which the Bible says is “Abraham’s only true begotten son“ thus making Ishmael out to be a ”wild ass of a man” Also, shortly after Ishmael’s birth, Hagar started being a bitch to Sarah and Abraham told her to “take out the trash” so to say and her and Ishmael traveled throughout north Africa spreading what would become Islam.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:59pmYo Surhan;
“Allah in the bible” you say …. bigfoot was in my yard once to…yo
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:46pmWHAT??? I thought we weren’t supposed to even acknowledge anything but Darwin and Atheists?? So a College Student objected to singing something that he did not agree with? WHat really would be sweet is, if the AUDIENCE either threw their shoes at the Director and/or walked out of the Concert.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:44pm…
Report Post »God bless this young man.
Wish the whole choir had the guts to quit.
TLaVerdier
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:52amI wish the whole chior had the guts to sue.
Report Post »If this doesn‘t drive home the need for seperation of church and state I don’t know what will.
CS_GUY
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:12amCouldn’t agree with you more!
Report Post »Pacman116
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:35amAmen Lead! His parents should be extremely proud to have a son that stands up for what he believes. Looks like they did a fantastic job raising him.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:43pmFix the schools and fix the future!
Report Post »Numa1
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:17amFirst step is to get rid of the Dept. of Education.
Report Post »83plus
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:56pm@Numa1
Absolutely
Report Post »mountainmover101
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:43pmNuma, don’t you mean the Department of Indoctrination.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:04pm@ MLEO- So am I.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:33pmTaqiyya methods of justification.
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