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These Are the 5 Reasons ‘Teavangelicals’ (Tea Partiers + Evangelicals) Will Matter in November

These Are the 5 Reasons Teavangelicals (Tea Partiers + Evangelicals) Will Matter in NovemberThe Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody has been on a quest to spread the word about the so-called “Teavangelical” voting bloc, a hybrid of small-government enthusiasts and evangelical Christians. Brody, the chief political correspondent over at CBN News, originally coined the phrase while covering the Tea Party and its role in the U.S. political schema (he also explored the intriguing cohort in his book “The Teavangelicals“).

While some on the left may dismiss these conservative voters, others, like Brody, realize that they have become an important subgroup of the overall electorate. In addition to social issues (they’re generally pretty conservative in that area), these individuals are also concerned with the nation’s finances, particularly when it comes to spending levels.

Brody further explained who the Teavangelicals are in an op-ed for The Huffington Post:

Who are these “Teavangelicals?” They are conservative Christians (typically evangelical) who strongly support the Tea Party agenda or are active in the Tea Party movement. I coined the term after the 2010 Midterm Elections when I noticed that the Tea Party was filled with evangelical Christians. Without them, Tea Party Libertarians would be lucky to fill half a teacup.

Here’s more from a recent MSNBC interview between Brody and Andrea Mitchell:

“They see it all through a biblical worldview as it relates to returning to fiscal responsibility,” Brody said during a conversation at the National Press Club on Wednesday. ”They go to Proverbs and they talk about how a good person leaves an inheritance for their children’s children. They talk about how the borrower is a slave to the lender. I can go on and on with Bible verses, but the point is that is exactly how they see the world.”

Watch Brody further discuss these issues, below:

It seems Brody isn’t alone in his belief that these individuals will become major players in the 2012 presidential election. CNN, too, posted a list of five reasons why the Teavangelicals matter. In it, Eric Marrapodi explains why this is a group that deserves scrutiny.

Here’s a condensed list of the reasons why those with political inclinations should keep an eye out (as per CNN):

1. The 2010 mid-term elections: In 2010, the Tea Party swooped in and helped the Republicans take back the House of Representatives. Evangelicals, of course, comprised a large portion of those responsible for the victories (polls showed that nearly half of Tea Partiers in 2010 claimed to be part of right-of-center Christianity).

2. Teavangelicals could tip the scales in Romney’s favor: Keeping a firm relationship between evangelicals and Tea Partiers creates a larger, more cohesive force. By meshing solid fiscal views and strong social opinions, a collective force with power is formed. Considering the current spending patterns and angst coming from people in both parties, Teavangelicals could tip the scales in the GOP’s favor this November.

3. Teavangelicals shook things up during the 2012 presidential primaries: It wasn’t all ponies and rainbows for Mitt Romney this year. Teavangelicals went for practically every other GOP candidate before finally embracing (and not all have yet) the contender. Romney had an up-hill battle, as more socially-conservative candidates appealed to many of the Tea Party-evangelical hybrid adherents.

4. The Teavengelicals don’t plan on going away: Adherents remain active, although the Tea Party isn’t in the headlines as much as it once was. Teavengelicals, though, are gaining power at the local level — in school boards, city council and city commissions.

5. CNN claims that the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s involvement could help fuel the concept. “It’s only a matter of time before it becomes a crossword puzzle,” Marrapodi quips.

What do you think about the Teavangelicals? Do you consider yourself one? Let us know in the comments section, below.

(H/T: CNN)

Comments (106)

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  • NickyLouse
    Posted on June 29, 2012 at 6:32am

    Did you hear that Obama believes that everyone deserves to have a bright shiny new house and that they have proposed a tax to make it so? The Supreme Court (Jesters) concur.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 29, 2012 at 1:49am

    Can I TRUST the President? How about the Supreme Court… DOJ… DOD… Senator… Congressman? Or, can I Trust… the Corporate Leader… Union Guy… Teacher… or News Guy?

    If TRUST… is broken… can you ever, really, reestablish it?

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    • NickyLouse
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 6:39am

      I would say that it can, but only on a personal level and only after a period of time of true change.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on June 29, 2012 at 1:25am

    With all that “seed” money they have been getting by many of the televangelicals, there should be o more sickness, misery, sin, poverty, anger, and everyone should have a brand new car and house and horse stable full of Arabian horses. The majority of those you see and hear on TV are not who Christ is. Many of these people are hucksters and snake oil salesman (probably vote democrat to boot.) These are the ones that you were warned about in the Bible, but those who are saved can discern the phoneys. Those who are not will try to buy their way to Heaven or use this “seed” money to enhance their riches here on eart. For the love of Pete. It is all so pitiful what this world is dealing with. I will be glad when Christ removes the wheat from the tares. I am about sick of this place. I guess we will just all have to put up with all this until we lay down and die or get raptured, whichever comes first. I think I will become a hermit or a monk. There is so much stupidity going on it is disheartening.

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    • In That Day
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:36am

      Right. Evangelical T.D. Jakes came out strongly for Obama in 2008.

      Evangelical Jeremiah Wright coached Obama for 20 years on how to think, speak and act stupid.

      Evangelicals have no interest in self-correction, since they are above reproach in their eyes.

      So this book simply panders to Televangelists, who will shill it to aggrandize their self-important thinking… thinking which is usually flawed because Evangelical Televangelists tend to be lovers of money and self.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on June 29, 2012 at 1:19am

    Ron Paul? again? What are you still doing the Ron Paul thing now. You are getting a bit silly and out of the loop with that old stuff.

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  • In That Day
    Posted on June 29, 2012 at 12:33am

    The problem is whereas the Tea Party believes as Madison said: All leaders are NOT angels… self-dealing Evangelical Leaders oft say that they, themselves (and duped sheep) ARE angels.

    Hence, Evangelical leaders can’t relent, repent, confess or abstain form self-dealing shenanigans. And Evangelical Christianity WON’T correct its leaders, because they believe their leaders’ lies! Bottom line, Evangelical leaders create, maintain and lock-in blind dupes who tithe to unquestionable demigods.

    See the big difference between wise Tea Party doctrine and non-correcting Evangelical doctrine?

    Brody’s book will get a lot of quid-pro-quo back-slapping support from unangelic televangelists.

    In That Day, Can Evangelicals Ever Achieve Ascendency?
    Book #9 of In That Day Teachings
    6/22/12 http://www.inthatdayteachings.com

    Who’s more totally-unaware narcissistic,
    Than a Christian Evangelical?
    There’s not enough sin-covering lipstick,
    For lips taught lies from hell.

    As Progressive Weltanschauung Thought,
    Has ruined the American political mind for one hundred years,
    From Devil’s Brow: clerics’ve bought,
    So as to rape American religious minds, now drowned in tears.

    In That Day Teachings books are not bound,
    For six-months-later yard or garage sale,
    In That Day Teachings’ wisdom is found,
    Now and in the future: always hale.

    Brody’s book, like paltry books sold thru TV preachers, is bound for thrift sale bins…

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:55pm

    DAMN LIE:
    “Teavangelicals shook things up during the 2012 presidential primaries”
    TRUTH:
    Teavangelicals (FAKE-TEA GOP) are ESTABLISHMENT GOP. THEIR PLAN WAS ROMNEY ALL ALONG! WHY ARE THEY NOT WITH PAUL NOW!!!! ROMNEY IS NOT THE NOMINEE!!!!!!!!

    QUESTION:
    Is Romney’s SODOMITE MARRIAGE Christian?
    Is Romney’s ABORTION Christian?
    Is Romney’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL nation-building Christian?
    Is Romney’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL HEALTHCARE (THEFT) Christian?
    Is Romney’s REJECTION OF LAW (NDAA, Patriot Act, etc.) Christian?
    Is Romney’s ILLEGAL TARP/Bailouts/Stimulus Christian?

    FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
    If this… IS Christian… WHAT’S YOUR BEEF WITH OBAMA?!?!?!?!?!

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:45pm

    THESE GUYS ARE FAKE-TEA GOP!!!!!!!! Retreads from the “Christian Coalition” of the LEFTIST Gingrich 90′s! LEFTIST! HUGE-GOVERNMENT! You can smell their STENCH from MILES AWAY!!!!!!!

    The REAL Constitutional libertarian tea party WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEFTIST PROGRESSIVE ROMNEY! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! And notice how the word “Constitution” APPEARS NOWHERE in the “story.”

    FAKE-TEA GOP! A CANCER TO THE REAL TEA PARTY AND THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT!

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:41pm

    LIE:
    “In 2010, the Tea Party swooped in and helped the Republicans take back the House of Representatives.”
    TRUTH:
    The FAKE-TEA GOP groups, along with FAKE-TEA Scott Brown, Palin, Beck, West, Rubio, Bachmann CO-OPTED THE TEA PARTY TO ELECT MORE LEFTIST REPUBLICANS in 2010!! The results? MORE UNCONSTITUTIONAL nation-building, MORE UNCONSTITUTIONAL “Patriot” Act, MORE perpetual amnesty, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, SHATTERED DEBT CEILINGS, NDAA, SOPA/PIPA/CISPA!!!!!

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  • In That Day
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:53pm

    Televangelists Brook Absolutely No Opposition!
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Book #9 of In That Day Teachings
    6/28/12 http://www.inthatdayteachings.com

    They brook absolutely no opposition,
    Televangelists who terra-form the earth to create blind rubes!
    They say, God will bless you, son!
    If you send cash so that their form is on Earth’s TV tubes!

    They beat all opponents until disabled,
    Creating their perfectly desired result,
    They make human cattle incapable,
    Of questioning their greed-mired cult.

    They say they are saintly, unapproachable Evangelical,
    In the biblical work of Jesus Christ they do,
    Which always ends up: finance-absconding heretical,
    They say they’re great! But is it really true?

    They brook absolutely no opposition,
    Insisting God blesses who sends bursts of cash to them,
    Gulfstreams they resolute-acquisition,
    While saying, To question them is world’s worst sin!

    Their vampire-tarnation religion is,
    Poor mentalities must make televangelists obscenely-wicked rich!
    Zombie sheep creation is their biz,
    Zombies learn, but televangelists never, when the blind hit ditch!

    Televangelists brook absolutely no opposition,
    Although they always, self-reeling, implode,
    Televangelists apparently can’t be abolitioned,
    Un-flushable is their self-dealing mode.

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    • In That Day
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Tyrannical politicians love all televangelists,
      And you can guess the reason why,
      Televangelists make rubes, removing risks,
      For tyrants to rule by fiat lie!

      Why is the world such a mess?
      With broken progressive-socialism and sovereign debt to the sky?
      Well, it’s anybody’s guess,
      Maybe it’s our regressive televangelists making lie-lovers, say I.

      [Folks, what am I saying? Televangelists tend to be self-dealing, finance-hiding, future-imploding gilded personas that believe just because they quote scripture non-stop... they are not DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to hidden enslavement. Actually, Televangelists tend to be so good at Neuro-Linguistic Programming (via a) stage hypnotism, b) showmanship, c) misdirection and c) suggestion) .... that they are THE BEST FRIENDS of socialist-progressive politicians. Hence, Beelzebub enslavers(Televangelists) can't cast out Beelzebub enslavers(Progressive Politicians.)

      You see, mystic tyrants in clericland -- Televangelists -- and mystic tyrants in politics -- Progressive Politicians -- both use the same memes, lines, tropes, precepts and shenanigans to create, keep and maintain a thoroughly blinded sheep, easily sheared, easily penned and easily trapped into a low mentality.

      Above author just promotes fear to achieve book sales. How can fear promotion make a blinded sheep able to see and be strong? Ugly can't cast out ugly! Capiche?]

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  • sputnik
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:13pm

    Things dont change… just the illusion of change with different faces same game. Hatch won by a landslide, progressives hold the SC, Obama will cheat enough to win in November.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:41pm

      “We hoped for better, but it turned out as it always does”
      -Former Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, July 1993

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    • rickc34
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:45pm

      Assets per taxpayer =288,000 liability=1,050,000 per citizen not per taxpayer

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  • frust@ted
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:07pm

    Oh great Teavangelicals! Part of the draw of the Tea Party for me was that it started by only sticking to Economic and Tax issues and left the Bible Thumping at home. Over time you have slowly started to see them creep in to the Tea Party issues. Bible Thumpers are no Different than Progressives when it comes to invading my personal life, both of those sides act like Tyrants one wants to tell me what light bulb to use the other what to do with my sex life.

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    • stairgauge
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:22pm

      Really! One side will make you use a certain lite bulb ,
      The other side will only inform you of what God says about sex and marriage and leave it at that. Unless you are someone who likes little girls and boys.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:28pm

      Being morally bankrupt has nothing to do with the corruption in D.C. ?
      You keep telling yourself that bull as our constitution circles the drain.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:30pm

      God gives you a choice, Obama gives you no choice

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:37pm

      i believe this is how the republican establishment is trying to co-opt the tea party. Conservative used to mean limited government, but they co-opted that and turned it into social issues

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:44pm

      This OP does show the tension within tea party ranks though. Make no mistake, pure libertarians and evangelical Christians have totally separate agendas. The only thing that brings us together is limited government.

      That said, I am proud of being a fundamental Christian first and foremost. That may put me into “neocon” territory for some libertarians, but so be it.

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    • JackE
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:32pm

      Sorry frustrated but Christians in the tea party is a very good thing. No one is trying to make you into one. We believe in the Constitution and what it stands for. How can you argue with that. And while I am at it, where do you get off saying Christians are like progressives? Clearly you don’t really know what you are talking about. Maybe, if you got some direct education you wouldn’t be so frustrated.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:36pm

      @trolltrainer
      I wish it were between Santorum and Paul – both represent the two parts of the base. Unfortunately, they gave us the worst of both worlds (Romney). It shows us that neither of us are in charge of the party

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:52pm

      I would take Paul over Santorum. Santorum is just as progressive as Romney, in fact, I prefer Romney because of his business sense.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:21pm

      Stair, I think you may have downplayed the political desires of the Christians. Go to Townhall forums and read the posts of the Christian conservatives and they most certainly do not wish to simply proselytize but mandate various beliefs into law. Obviously gay marriage is a big one, but also FCC control of airwave content, the War on Drugs, etc.

      As a libertarian, I’ve never really considered the Tea Party as a libertarian stronghold or promoting serious libertarianism. To me its always been a conservative movement. Reduced spending, while a must, is not the core of libertarianism.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:26pm

      Troll, from my dealings with many conservatives, I would disagree. Many use the rhetoric of limited government, but in the specific, they tend to favor government spending, simply on the areas they favor. Reduced military spending? Nope. Elimination of War on Drugs? Nope. Privatization of education. Nope.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:45pm

      acidovorax,

      I think the part most Paul supporters do not get, probably because most are young idealists, is that it is a matter of degree. HOW limited should government be? Why not just do away with the federal government? Do we need ANY kind of military? How big? Should we literally kick the poor to the curb as suggested below, or should we offer at least SOME form of relief to keep people from starving? How much relief?

      These are all very subjective questions. Very few would take an extreme position on either side, not even Ron Paul himself. Just because someone disagrees with you in degree does that make him the enemy?

      I am not a libertarian, never claimed to be. I do embrace their ideals though. But I also recognize that reality is not always ideal. Sometimes pure, unadulterated freedom is a bad thing. Sometimes the sheep need protected from the wolves. Government is not inherently evil, it is just that people are sinfully corrupt. There is no ideal, not on this earth anyway…

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:07pm

      Troll, the problem with your argument is that I’m seeing NO reduction in any of the areas. Before we can debate the degrees we have to actually have some who are willing to reduce it by ANY amount. The mere mention of reducing projected spending for defense to 2007 levels (not a time where we were ‘defenseless’) brought howls of “gutting our military” and “leaving us defenseless”.

      When you can show that the Republican/conservative side is willing to make real cuts, not trim the margins while spending in total continues to escalate, then come back and we’ll talk about degrees.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:18pm

      “I am not a libertarian, never claimed to be. I do embrace their ideals though. But I also recognize that reality is not always ideal.”

      Libertarianism doesn’t promise nor claim to produce any such ideal. It merely argues that the best system is one obtained through maximal voluntary cooperation, as opposed to top down edicts.

      “Sometimes pure, unadulterated freedom is a bad thing.”

      Without context, this reads a cliche.

      “Sometimes the sheep need protected from the wolves. Government is not inherently evil, it is just that people are sinfully corrupt.”

      And by such admittance you undercut your argument. Because people are “sinfully corrupt” as you describe, then government will be filled with these “sinfully corrupt” people as well, but unlike the private arena, they have a monopoly on force. Madison made this logical mistake when he claimed that government was a necessary evil because men are not angels. The latter is true, but contradicts the first assertion of the necessity of government to protect man. You can’t escape the reality that men act immorally and such men will enter government. Our present government and every one that ever existed shows this truth.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:48pm

      acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:18pm

      And by such admittance you undercut your argument. Because people are “sinfully corrupt” as you describe, then government will be filled with these “sinfully corrupt” people as well, but unlike the private arena, they have a monopoly on force. Madison made this logical mistake when he claimed that government was a necessary evil because men are not angels. The latter is true, but contradicts the first assertion of the necessity of government to protect man. You can’t escape the reality that men act immorally and such men will enter government. Our present government and every one that ever existed shows this truth.
      ——————————————————————————————
      No, that IS my argument! I agree completely with what you say here.

      As far as your first post, this is why, as you point out elsewhere in here, government continues to grow larger no matter who is in charge. Democrat, Republican, or even Libertarian…I do not think it would really matter in practice, each would grow government in whatever area they were concerned with. It is hard to cut your own throat…

      What’s the answer?

      Ron Paul may be pure, I do not even want to argue that…But one man cannot fix it…

      Can it be fixed?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 12:16am

      let me clarify my position on government. A federal government is necessary. I feel that government has a place to “fairly” regulate business, ensure public safety, help the unemployed and destitute, and most of the functions that they do today. I disagree in the size and degree in which it is done, and I realize that there will always be a measure of corruption involved. But I do not believe in anarchy.

      I think our form of government best represents the will of the people. I also believe that this is changing and that the system of checks and balances are being skewed towards the executive. In fact, exact issues aside, I feel this is the biggest problem we are facing. Congress has been neutered.

      It is a cesspool. It always has been and will always be. Any government is. But this cesspool was well thought out and designed to work. It just needs a serious cleaning. Is Romney the one to do it?

      Probably not…

      But I don’t think he will stink it up like Obama did…

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 12:19am

      Troll, then I misread your post. My bad. I have no allusions about Paul; no messianic hopes. I’ve always contended that even in the rare chance that he were elected he would have a hard time enacting his policies. That’s the way the system was designed and evolved: to make it hard for drastic changes to occur. It’s a positive and negative of the system.

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    • frust@ted
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:52am

      Let me clarify I am very spiratual and I do belive in God, to explain my beliefs would take an entire post. I also beleive that not everyone that believes in God is a Bible Thumper. Bible Thumpers almost pushed me to Atheisim, when I was 14 thankfully I stopped listening to Bible Thumpers and started listneing to God.

      A bible thumper is a special kind of religious person, typically they put no logic or thought behind their argument and just run to the Bible for reasons to promote their form of facisim, they tend to think they are moraly superior and find reasons why their sins aren’t that bad. A Bible Thumper tends to question nothing about their religion ignoring that we have hundreads of diffrent religions that claim they are the way to God and if you don‘t chose their path you can’t be saved but somehow they were smart enough to pick the one religion that is right and wasn’t corupted by man.

      Stair Facisim is Facisim whether its environmental or religious.

      sawbuck Yep DC is corupt but one side figured out all they have to do is act like they have a Moral high ground and talk a good game. The other just doesn’t hide it.

      Jacke Christians in the Tea Party is a good thing but Christians pushing a social agenda in the Tea Party is a bad thing. The Tea Party was a place for people to come together on Tax and economic issues and leave the social agenda at home.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 1:23pm

      frust@ted
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:52am

      thankfully I stopped listening to Bible Thumpers and started listneing to God.
      ————————————————————————————————————-
      And how do you listen to God? Do you hear His voice? How do you know what you are hearing is from Him? Fact is, God’s revelation to us IS the Bible.
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      A bible thumper is a special kind of religious person, typically they put no logic or thought behind their argument and just run to the Bible for reasons to promote their form of facisim, they tend to think they are moraly superior and find reasons why their sins aren’t that bad. A Bible Thumper tends to question nothing about their religion ignoring that we have hundreads of diffrent religions that claim they are the way to God and if you don‘t chose their path you can’t be saved but somehow they were smart enough to pick the one religion that is right and wasn’t corupted by man.
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      Sounds like a corrupted view of Christianity. There is only 1 way to God, the way laid out by God in the Bible. If you do not find Christ then you are lost. Call that thumping if you wish, it is truth.

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    • frust@ted
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 2:40pm

      troll

      And which Bible is the right one, The book of Moromon, The Koran, The New World Translation, King James Bible, Tanakah? Only one can be the word of God because they all contradict eachother, But do share many of the same principals.

      If only one can be right logical conclusion is that man corupted all the others, and that is exactly what I‘m talking about when I say it amazes me that so many people are so confident that they picked the one religion that hasn’t been corupted by man.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 4:08pm

      Which Bible is the right one?

      I could answer that straight up, but instead I want you to think it through. First off, if there is a God, and if that God wanted to make Himself known, then do you believe He would do that? If He did not want to be known then it would not matter what you believed, but if He wanted you to know Him, then He would reveal Himself to you, right?

      Let’s say He did. Now…How do YOU know how to find that revelation. As you say, man is corrupt. I firmly agree, man has bastardized religion from the beginning. In fact, the Christian Bible is full of stories, especially the Old Testament which we share with God’s chosen people, but full of stories of man turning from God and creating his own form of religion. Nothing has changed. You have many sincere people coming at you from all directions with their version of religion…Including me…How do you know which to pick? I can tell you this, there is only 1 truth!

      Bible thumpers are just people, just like all others. Some are conceited, some are pains in the ass, some believe they have all the answers. None of us do. But Christians do know one thing others do not. Religion is not something you just put on. It is not just feelings or beliefs or whatever you think makes the most sense. It is not majority is right. Many people call themselves a Christian but they have no idea what Christianity means…People even in my own church…

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 4:17pm

      Now that I have told you what Christianity is not, let me tell you what it is.

      It is a personal relationship with your Savior, Jesus Christ. When you are born again you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. He will not take over your life…unless you let Him…But He will guide you and help you grow. It is a living relationship. You will not become perfect, you will still sin. You might act holier than others…but you are not. In fact, true Christians understand their own filth and lowliness and should become humble and accepting of others. They learn how to love others. None of us are perfect, but the more we let the Holy Spirit guide us the more sanctified we become.

      I will stop here, I do not want to thump my Bible at you. But you can read more yourself. You can read all about it. KJV is a good translation, but it is not the only translation. I personally like my older NIV, it gives a good perspective. But most of the translations are all based as accurately off manuscripts in the original languages as possible. This really is not the issue critics make it out to be. We have tens of thousands of copies of ancient manuscripts and fragments and they all agree with each other to an astounding degree, something like 94% I believe. With the language studies that have been done the last 2000 years, you can be sure that there is no differences in translations beside word usage.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 4:23pm

      But as a last argument, I turn again to what I opened with. If God is real, if He is omniscient and omnipotent, and if He wanted to give us His revelation so we could know Him then do you not think He could do it? It would have to be a written standard, personal revelation does not work. I say I am a prophet, you say you are a prophet, Joseph Smith claims to have golden tablets…There is no standard of truth there, no measure to ensure it is really from God. Written Word is necessary.

      You study the history of all the religious books, and you decide which you will accept as truth.

      Let me tell you this though, the Christian Bible is pretty emphatic that the only way to eternal life is to come to faith in Christ, repent of your sin, and be born again. How you interpret these things is another matter, but the Christian Bible tells us the only way to the Father is through the Son.

      If the Christian Bible is true then this is information you need for eternal life.

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    • frust@ted
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 5:43pm

      Their is some good thought behind your opinion, too bad this is not a Bar I think the two of us could have a very interesting conversation about religion.

      I prefer to keep social issues out of Govmt hands as much as possible, I prefer the Govmt to stick to fiscal issues and taking care of only the minimal needs of society. I felt the Tea Party was a good venue to keep devisive social issues out of politics and a good place for people to discus fiscal policy, if Teavangelicas take over what is left of the TeaParty we might as well call it the Christian Coalitaion.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 7:12pm

      I have put social issues on the back burner myself. When the ship is sinking you don’t worry about a couple people snorting coke in the bar…In any case I am maturing in my view that God gave us all free will for a reason and who am I to tell an unbeliever how they should live. I have enough to worry about with my own sin nature. :-)

      That said, just like anyone else, I must stand for what I believe.

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  • justangry
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:48pm

    The only way the “TEAVANGELICALS” will shape November is to push the progressive agenda further.

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  • encinom
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:30pm

    Tea Bagging preachers. I thought that the tea baggers weren’t about social issues, it was all about the economy. This is just more proof that Tea PArty is a fraud and a front for conservative DC insiders and not the Libertarian group they say they are.

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    • abwehragent
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:36pm

      Teaparty adherents come from all walks of life. And if you closely examine the issues affecting every American … EVERYTHING is a social issue. You my friend are not just an arm, a leg, an eye, or a tooth. No, you are a whole, complex human being. All parts work interconnectedly.

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    • EqualJustice
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:48pm

      HAHAHA OH just like OWS is a “grassroots movement? In the words of a famous Congressman, “YOU LIE! ;) Just wait until November. Another 2010 shellacking coming your way, Commie! You are so pathetic. Go back to your Mom’s basement now.

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    • ALL4FREEDOM
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:51pm

      You‘re trying to pin down what can’t be accurately defined. There is no all-encompassing definition of Teapartiers. You just know them when you see their electoral impact.

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    • frust@ted
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:14pm

      Encinom,

      I think many of them were not interested in social issues, unfortunately they have made their way into the movement. I think a lot of libertarians got behind the Tea Party because they saw it as a group that wasn’t about social issues, I also think that many of them have left the Tea Party as they started to wade into social issues.

      One of the big problems our country has is that we get hung up on Social Issues and aren’t able to table those and actually have a good honest talk about the economy. One side is screaming of environmental apocolypse while the other screams about the rapture while the ones focused on the real issues are drowned out.

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    • TEARS FOR AMERICA
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:21pm

      Encinom- because I am a Christian, I give you all the freedom you need in the world to march yourself right into Hell, just don’t force me to accept your lifestyle, your hatred, your bigotry so you can feel better about your tumbling into eternal darkness. Besides, you will never stop a Believer from finishing the Race set before them, no matter what you, the left and satan’s demons dream up.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:26pm

      @Enc, Nah, man. It’s just been co-opted by the establishment.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:32pm

      Encinom- nice thing about heaven is you wont be there.

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    • formerdemdummy
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:41pm

      Tea Baggers? Are you saying they are gay? It looks to me like you are trying to insult them by calling them gay. Forgive me I thought you were the tolerant ones? I’m so confused.

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  • Sicboy
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:30pm

    This Christian Conservative will have NOTHING to do with POLITICIANS. Let God do what he will. Romans 13:1.

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:46pm

      Just gonna twist in the wind, are ya?

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    • macpappy
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:33pm

      There must be more liberals praying to God, than conservative Christians, or maybe God doesn’t answer prayers at all. Maybe God wants you to have Obamacare. What do you think or your logic now?

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  • G.E.R
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:28pm

    Teavangelical. Is this the next step in evolution for nutbags?

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:27pm

    Who are these “Teavangelicals?” Uh… I think I would fit the bill.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:06pm

      Big government progressives with a mean authoritarian streak. Kind of like Fascists really. Handle policing vice at the State level, and stop killing Muslims who can’t cross the Pacific, or shut up about Obama.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:47pm

      Sheesh, you ARE just angry! Kind of stupid too…

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:57pm

      Really? Does not, Obamacare, Wellfare, Social Security, etc. ignore the enumerated powers under the same justification as the FBI, DEA, ATF, DHS, etc.? Don’t call me names, proove me wrong.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:04pm

      No, no, no…You are stupid for putting an entire group of people into a single pigeonhole.

      I am an evangelical Christian, therefore I am a big government progressive? I voted for Romney in the primary? I am for Obamacare, Romneycare, Social Security, Welfare, etc? (Actually, I AM for at least a limited form of SS and welfare. But that makes me a neocon I guess…)

      Anyone that disagrees with you is either a neocon, a liberal, a socialist…and the enemy…

      Yeah, sorry about calling you names, I do not mean it personally…But yeah, kind of stupid…

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:32pm

      “Anyone that disagrees with you is either a neocon, a liberal, a socialist…and the enemy…”

      Uhhhh…Troll, you have looked around at the other comments on this site, right? Such tactics are the norm, not an exception. I agree it’s poor argumentation, but it’s so common on all sides, I don’t even bother addressing it anymore.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:02pm

      @Troll, Nah man, I’m not calling anyone names here. I’ve already had several responses deleted. I’m just too tired to attempt tip toeing past the moderators. I don’t think being an evangelical makes one a progressive. I don’t think voting for Romney makes one a progressive. I don’t even think wanting limited SS and welfare makes one a progressive, as long as the government goes about doing it the way the Constitution says it must. Temperance was done the originalist way. The Federal Drug laws, 1st established during the progressive era, mind you, was done the progressive way. That‘s all I’m saying. It’s just really hard for me to get past the censors, so I’ll leave it at that.

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:22pm

    I’m a Teavangelical and proud of it baby !!!!!!!

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    • Cesium
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:42pm

      useful idiots for libertarians and fiscally conservative Jews.. thank you for your service, we do appreciate it. Now stop supporting Israel for the wrong reasons, your rapture is not happening and jesus is not god.

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    • momrules
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:52pm

      DEALER@678……….I am one and proud of it too.

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    • DeathRattle
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:07pm

      @Cesium

      Try real hard to remember those words while bowing and confessing Jesus is Lord, until then I will pray earnestly for you.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:18pm

      @Cesium: Hahahaha!

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    • Trying to Remain Calm
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:24pm

      Only in America do so-called “christians” equate faith with kicking the poor to the curb.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:27pm

      Trying to Remain Calm
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:24pm

      Only in America do so-called “christians” equate faith with kicking the poor to the curb.
      ————————————————————————————————————————
      I don’t think anyone wants to kick the poor to the curb…That is just MSNBC propaganda…I think the question is how big a role the federal government has in supporting the poor and what kind of lifestyle the “poor” should lead. I would question calling someone poor when they have 3 big screen TVs, 2 cars, cell phones for every member of the family, and eat better than upper middle class…All on the government (read taxpayer) dime.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:27am

      @Cesium: I laugh @ you in derision as you make yourself an object of ridicule.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 5:56pm

      @Troll, We’re not that far off. I’d like to discuss, but my post will be deleted.

      “What did they INTEND? But we must recognize that the world has drastically changed.”

      The one thing I’ll try to slip by, is does this mean of the Constitution automatically changes as well? If your answer is no, then you’re with Thomas and Scalia. If yes, then you’re with Ginsburg, Kagan, Holmes Jr., Wilson, etc.

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  • AllLost
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:16pm

    Please, don’t you all understand that nothing we do politically will solve our problem! The lawyers..judges and most of our politicians are nothing but lawyers, have been trained to twist words and find meaning were there never was. This has gone on since the beginning of the nation until the Constitution is meaningless. Don’t you understand?

    Even if Obamacare is rescinded today the Supreme Court precedent will remain. This precedent authorizes the Federal government to tax anything they wish. This is the forfeiture of our freedom. We now live at the will of the state. The way we live is at the will of the state.

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    • abwehragent
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:30pm

      Such pessimism. The only person who is whipped is the one who stays down. If he throws in the towel without being knocked unconscious, then it is he who has defeated himself. The most shameful is the one who fearfully fails even to enter the ring. The key to the whole thing is to remember that we are not fighting against flesh and blood. First and foremost this is a spiritual battle, to be fought spiritually. Then, with the leadership and by the grace of God, comes the fight in the flesh on every front. We outnumber them; we surround them. As for me, Patrick Henry said it best: “Give me liberty or give me death!”

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:45pm

      @ABWE…

      Great post of truth! The dullards who can’t figure this out; well, gotta leave ‘em in the dust. We don’t have time or space for infantile illogical arguments from those who sit down and pout. I can’t deal with that wuss mentality. There are a few on this post that fit that bill.

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    • momrules
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:00pm

      I agree with ABWE ……….I don’t think we should ever give up, roll over and play dead. I don‘t know yet what I’ll be called to do but I will be ready to do whatever is required. We are only slaves if we never fight back.

      ALLLOST……….Don’t give in, just give yourself time to get over today’s disappointment and then regroup. You are an American after all and REAL Americans are tougher than you think right now.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:03pm

      @AB, Think Patrick Henry would support the Patriot Act, NDAA, Cispa, HR347, Drones, ROMNEYCARE, and policing the world? Call that Liberty, do you? WOW!!!!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:15pm

      I actually wonder just where Patrick Henry would stand on these issues. Probably not where you think. After all, he was a British subject that lived under a monarchy. He probably saw government playing a much larger role in life than you do.

      Do I KNOW this? No. Just sayin’…

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:40pm

      ABW, your post, while filled with motivating rhetoric, really said nothing. What do you SPECIFICALLY recommend to limit the government? Voting? Not a chance. Regardless of the party placed in power, government has grown by leaps and bounds. Speak to your fellow man and you will realize that they have NO desire to limit the growth of government, especially in the areas that they benefit from.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:32am

      @Trolltrainer, That’s fair, but it‘s also the same argument on constitutionalism you’d hear from a progressive justice. I‘m not saying there aren’t flaws in trying to interpret the Constitution from the founders point of view. Another, is they weren’t totally like minded in everything they did. I’d be with the Jeffersons and Madison over Washington and Hamilton on many issues. I just think it’s a better approach than the alternative which is trying to view the Constitution through lawyers and judges views (precedence), which in reality presents the same problems.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:01am

      The thing is, nothing is as clear-cut as saying “progressive”, “liberal”, “neocon”, “conservative”…People cross these lines depending on the issue. Very few are extreme in any direction. For instance, my liberal ***** is my view of amnesty. I want a secure border but Marko Rubio is right in his stance on this issue. You cannot ship back millions of illegals, splitting families while doing it. Just not going to happen. Free citizenship for all? Hardly, but the solution is somewhere in the middle.

      I think we all should try to at least understand the Constitution as framed by the founders. What did they INTEND? But we must recognize that the world has drastically changed. The Constitution has been amended many times.

      I would agree that it has been bent too far these days. The judicial arm was never intended to act in the manner it does today. It is actually being used to make law in a circular fashion, read the abortion or separation issues. The executive has also become too strong and federal power has overshadowed state’s rights since the Civil War. I sure wouldn’t mind seeing some of this ground won back.

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  • KarNut
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:09pm

    You have to remember there was 4 other justices that voted with Roberts. Today, Is the first time I can say I am Proud of a Kennedy!

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  • Mark0331
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:07pm

    Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples‘ liberty’s teeth.
    -George Washington

    The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
    -Samuel Adams

    All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.
    -John Adams

    It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
    -George Washington

    …and yet the LEFT considers these Men and their logic flawed and irrelevant in todays world….sad little lefties….destined for the trash heaps of logic and history…

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    • USAtheist
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:25pm

      Did you post this when Bush enacted the Patriot Act?

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    • Mark0331
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:32pm

      @USATHEIST…I was and still am against the Patriot act…Did I use it? Laughable statement you make….I even used it when Joe “Scarecrow” Biden wrote up the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of “terrorism” that could be invoked based on political beliefs, permitting the U.S. military to be used in civilian law enforcement, and allowing permanent detection of non-U.S. citizens without judicial review. You must remember that, right? Now don’t be selective in your memory…it wasn’ that long ago….

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    • antitheist
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:52pm

      “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible”
      This quote has been proven to be false over and over again. Why do you fundies use it so often?

      You can quote the founders all you want, but actions speak louder than words, and this is why the Treaty of Tripoli is so important.
      “As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion…”
      -Approved unanimously by the Senate on June 1797 and signed by President Adams.

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    • momrules
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:07pm

      Hi Mark………Good to see you back. My first thought today was that America is lost and maybe it is but I remembered who is really in control. God has a plan, He always does and I refuse to pout and whine over today’s disappointment.

      I’m going to keep praying and stay prepared. We may all be called upon to do things in the coming days we never thought we would be called to do.

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    • Mark0331
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:09pm

      ANTITHEIST…first off, you make assumptions as to my religious affilitation, even schoolkids know better than to assume…..I was refering to the logic and convictions these Men had, not to whether we were founded as a Christian Nation….we could ‘table tennis’ this all day..The Treaty of Tripoli also ensures/reinforces the 1st Amendment, a no brainer for most…if you find these quotes offensive , so be it, thats your moral compass….As an Atheist, do you find religion offensive and deride others beliefs for sport or out of ignorance?..I know plenty of Atheists and have served amongst them who learned that the words Tolerance and Respect for others have meaning and bestow honor amongst those in ‘their’ ranks…tactics you should adopt….read this post again and learn something…thanx

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    • Mark0331
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:12pm

      MOMRULES….Glad to be back..been working like a dog, much traveling involved….Its gotten crazy hasn’t it..Keep the Faith as always…we are in the dark times for sure now…

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:44pm

      :Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples‘ liberty’s teeth.
      -George Washington:

      This is a fake quote.
      http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:52pm

      ..The Treaty of Tripoli also ensures/reinforces the 1st Amendment, a no brainer for most…if you find these quotes offensive , so be it, thats your moral compass….As an Atheist, do you find religion offensive and deride others beliefs for sport or out of ignorance?..I know plenty of Atheists and have served amongst them who learned that the words Tolerance and Respect for others have meaning and bestow honor amongst those in ‘their’ ranks…tactics you should adopt….read this post again and learn something…thanx

      Mark, I thought it was obvious that USA was pointing out that the Washington quote concerning “God and the Bible” were false (also the gun quote is false too), What does the First Amendment have anything to do with the validity of the quotes? Where did USA say that the quotes were offensive? Fraudulent, yes. Offensive, no.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:07pm

    100% AMERICAN President Romney has some three thousand proud proud proud 100% AMERICAN TEAvangelicals (clinging to GOD, the US Constitution and the Holy Bible, and our families and our guns) out here that we know of, if our attendance at our schools, churches and church socials and rodeos are any slight indication.

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    • USAtheist
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:26pm

      Yea, the Rodeo demographic will save Romney from his own stupidity. ;)

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  • Individualism
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:01pm

    they talk small goverment but vote big goverment your christian brotherhood neo cons.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:51pm

      I’m beginning to think “all” you paulbots are really just one or two angry teenagers. Really, your posts all sound the same.

      Tell you what, you go stand in a corner, stomp your feet, and pout.

      Meanwhile, the rest of us will do the best with the hand we are dealt. That happens to be Romney at the moment…So be it. No one ever said it was going to be easy…

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    • Individualism
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:55pm

      Romney is worse than Obama, because he is Obama with more wars.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 9:06pm

      Ah, so you are an Obama supporter! Good, so vote for him. Don’t just throw your vote away.

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 6:54pm

    We are no longer a free people – John Roberts and obama have taken our freedom from us.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 6:51pm

    Had David on my show last week; brilliant and superb guy! Get his book!

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on June 28, 2012 at 6:47pm

    This evangelical will not vote for Obama(atheist) or Romney(Mormon). Its not just for religious reasons, both of their politics are the same and stink.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 8:59pm

      Your vote is your own, but one of those two are going to win this next election, without any doubt.

      It would seem to me, especially after what happened today, that anyone who is not a liberal/socialist would choose the one who has the best chance of actually trying to fix things…Even if the “fix” is not your ideal.

      This is the way it works. The way it has always been in this country and I pray the way it will always be. Ron Paul never had a chance, only those easily deluded thought (or still think) he did. Get over it. This will never be an ideal country and Ron Paul could not have changed anything as president, even supposing he had a Republican congress.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:33pm

      “Ron Paul never had a chance, only those easily deluded thought (or still think) he did. Get over it. This will never be an ideal country and Ron Paul could not have changed anything as president, even supposing he had a Republican congress.”

      Troll, while I agree that Paul would not win, I look at this not from any failing of Paul, but of the reality that Republicans/conservatives don’t have a real desire for reducing government. If as you say, even if he were President and a Republican congress, he couldn’t change anything, then this speaks volumes of the Republicans in Congress and not of Paul. Same as the charge that in 30 years Paul has passed few to no bills. Where were all the small government Republicans? It seems they have demonstrated their true preferences and it differs from their rhetoric.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:55pm

      acidovorax,

      Again, I agree completely. There may be a few good ones, like Ron Paul, in any party…But the majority? They dont want to change things, they want to ride the wave.

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