These Are the 6 Reasons Christian Talk Radio Host Steve Deace Won’t Vote for Romney
- Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:26pm by
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Christian talk radio host Steve Deace isn’t hiding his views about the Republican establishment. Deace, who is based in Des Moines, Iowa, has been vocal about his disdain for Republican Mitt Romney, as he has openly said that he won’t be supporting the former Massachusetts governor.
Earlier this month, the syndicated radio host and author outlined on his personal Facebook page the six reasons that he isn’t planning on voting for him come November. On Tuesday, The Blaze reached out to Deace to discuss his controversial stance on Romney — one that will surely be lamented by many establishment Republicans.
“Romney is such a violation of everything I believe that I just can’t vote for him,” the radio host said. “At some point I need to stop supporting people [who violate my views] regardless of what party they’re in.”
While Deace was firm in his message and tone, he didn’t pass judgment on others who may, indeed, choose to vote between the so-called “lesser of two evils.” But the commentator isn’t planning on settling on either candidate this election cycle, despite admitting that some people he respects do plan on doing so.
In the end, he contends that Americans are being given a terrible choice between a “social Darwinish progressive” (i.e. Obama) and “a flat-out political hack who will say anything, do anything, lie to anyone…do anything to win” (i.e. Romney). Despite holding such strong views, Deace maintains that he’s not campaigning against Romney by any means. Instead, he says he‘s merely sharing his views on the candidate’s policies.
On his Facebook page, the host delved into the six “stipulations” governing his refusal to simply accept Romney as the lesser of two purportedly lackluster candidates. Here they are:
1) I do not believe my vote determines the winner of an election the way most people do. The Bible clearly teaches there is no authority on earth except that which God has ordained, and I am a strong believer in the sovereignty of God, so pagan philosophical arguments like not voting for “A” is a vote for “B” have no impact on me, except to compel me to wonder why so many people have such simplistic logic. After all, as David Shedlock recently pointed out, if not voting for Romney is a vote for Obama then why is not voting for Obama a vote for Romney? I do believe God gives us the leaders we deserve, so I think the more faithful we are the more blessing God gives us. Thus, I view my vote as an act of worship more than a responsibility of citizenship (which also matters but not as much) and loyalty to a political party (which doesn’t matter at all).
2) What I am writing here is not intended to persuade anyone else to my position, but rather explain my position. When you read further you will understand why this particular position is personal to me. As a public figure (whether I want to admit I am one or not), I believe I owe you these sorts of explanations if for no other reason than I demand it from other public figures — and I must hold myself accountable to the same standard I hold others.
3) Although at times I can get snarky with the best of them, and crack jokes about things like hoping Romney picks a terrible RINO running mate, that‘s really just gallow’s humor to keep from crying over the state of my country. The truth is I would love it if Romney shocked me into admitting I was wrong — just once. For example, I would love it if he picked a God-fearing running mate who is capable of honoring their sworn oaths of office before God and man. We are running out of time as a people, and don’t have much more time for RINOs let alone cultural marxists and socialists masquerading as Keynesians. I would love it if Romney, or even Obama for that matter, didn’t constantly live down to my expectations.
4) On the other hand, history has shown it‘s who’s at the top of the ticket that matters, just ask Sarah Palin. While it’s idealistic to fantasize about a Godly man having influence over Romney, the truth is the list is long and tragic of Godly men who have already compromised themselves over Romney. Just read our book “We Won’t Get Fooled Again” if you want the documentation. A little bit of leaven ruins the whole loaf.
5) It is the responsibility of the candidate/politician to earn my vote, not my responsibility as a citizen to compromise God’s moral standard to vote for them. I am the boss, they are the job applicant. Therefore, the burden of hiring is on them, and not me. If a candidate wants my support, live up to my standard and you’ll get it. It’s just that simple.
6) As a Christian I am not motivated by fear, because perfect love casts out all fear. I am motivated by faith, so boogeymen don’t scare me. My God lives, and the grave couldn’t hold him. So you’ll forgive me if fear-mongering propaganda doesn’t drive me into the arms of a slightly less poisonous snake.
Of course, Deace also highlighted more specific policy reasons for his stance. Romney, he claims, has an “anti-marriage, anti-life, and anti-liberty record” — one that causes him to label Romney a “serial liar and a flip-flopper.” He also takes issue with the candidate’s handling of gay marriage issues in Massachusetts (read the rest of his analysis here). Deace reiterated these sentiments when speaking with The Blaze today.
“We have to get to the point where evil is evil regardless of who did it,” he said. “What I’m trying to do is help get as many conservatives get elected as possible…whether Obama or Obamney wins the election this fall, we’re going to need as many [of them] as we can get.”
The radio host noted that others, including Mathew D. Staver, Vice President of Liberty University, has stated similar views on Romney.
“The Romney campaign — they want to win standing for nothing so that they don’t owe us anything in office,” Deace proclaimed.
Judging from the host’s current stance, little will persuade him into supporting Romney this fall.
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tbtall
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:01pmMormons are not Christians. I am a Christian and will vote for Romney. This is not a matter of a lesser version of Obama. I don’t know that Romney will really face the issues to the degree we need to avoid crashing financially, but we will definitely crash with Obama.
Report Post »PJL
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:09pmSorry Mormons Are Christians!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:11pmI believe God hold us accountable for our votes. If Romney wins and he does as all GOP establishment sheep have done and do nothing the sacrifice of our children you may be judged by God for it.
Leviticus 18:21 ESV
You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
Romney videos on abortion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CUL8I3KZO4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAqSWoBGBTM&feature=related This one is great he admits that he is only pro life for political reasons.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:13pmProve to us you are a Christian.
Report Post »thechristianrepublic.com
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:14pmIf you disagree with Mormon teachings, I suppose I agree with you but I don‘t agree with the premise that they aren’t Christians. So, I suppose it would be based on your definition of a Christian happens to be. My Bible says: If any person believes in Christ, (according to John 3:16) he is given (as a gift) eternal life. Like it or not, agree or not, if Mormons or any other outside the mainstream Religion believe and teach that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again to redeem us from our sin, which according to my research Mormons do, then by definition they ARE Christian, maybe just not your kind of Christian.
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Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:19pmWhile your at it, you should have voted for Adolf Hitler. Adolf was also a Christian. And so is Obummer and Romney. Folks none of these men will be in heaven if you go by what they have said so far in the media. All of them are lying deceivers and their father is the father of lies. SATAN.
“As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ” Adolf Hitler
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.” Adolf Hitler
Report Post »ENDTIMES2220
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:24pm@plj
Report Post »Do you think Mitt R calls himself a Christian; for that matter, did Joe Smith call himself a Christian, or a Mormon. Can‘t have it both way’s. Read the Bible.
pauliepie
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:25pmAre Mormons really Christians? Are not Christians those who believe in the Christ of the Bible – the Christ of history? The Christ that Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism imagined is a different Christ than the one in Scripture. The Gospel writers and St. Paul reveal Jesus of Nazareth as the eternal God made flesh, and the Creator of the universe: John 1:1-4; Colossians 1:13-20, and many others. Mormons deny this, believing Jesus Christ is one god among many gods, whereas the Bible declares emphatically there is only ONE God: Isaiah 43:10. Please correct me if I’m in error.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:30pmSorry Mr. Deace,
Report Post »I can’t get past your article #1, which is ludicrous and ignorant. Of COURSE God has sovereignty. And rather than allow it to continue in hereditary or aristocratic lineages, He gave us AMERICA with a Constitution and the RESPONSIBILITY to use our FREEDOM to choose wisely for ourselves who WE want to run our earthly government. Jesus didn‘t say render unto God that which is God’s and just ignore Caesar. He said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s!
Mr. Deace, you’re leading flocks astray (and also don‘t give my that playing innocent baloney that you’re not trying to influence anyone in an election season–it’s not honest).
Machtyn
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:39pmMormons are Christians. They believe that Jesus Christ is God and the only way, the Truth, and the Light.
The guy is an idiot, and drips with un-Christian-like bias.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:41pmDoesn’t matter. Romney, BO..all the same.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:49pm@ NEOFAN
Prove to me I am not. I thought I was whatever I chose to be. I choose to be a Mormon and a Christian. Are you denying me that freedom? You Evangelicals are so quick to say that being a Christian isn’t about belonging to a specific church but rather being part of the body of Christ and the body of believers. So, according to your logic, me attending the LDS (Mormon) Church does not preclude me from also being a Christian, so long as I confess Christ to be my personal Savior. Yeah? Did I get that about right? Therefore, Christianity lies not in your pew of preference, it lies in your heart and convictions.
Alright now that I’ve demonstrated logic, let’s talk about some “magic underwear”, shall we? I know you guys find that topic much more fascinating.
Report Post »1592
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:54pmIf you think Morman’s are worse than Marxist you need a kick in the Bean Bag.
P.S. THEY ARE TOO CHRISTIANS YOU TERD!
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:07pmits a cult like the ku klux klan
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:10pmLetusreason, I was responding to the first post sorry but I didnt make that clear in my post. I believe you are only a Christian when you are following his commandments or doing his will and bearing fruit.
Report Post »I dont believe you are a Christian by declaration. I am facinated by the doctrine that says Mormons believe in another Jesus. I want someone to explain to me how this second jesus intercepts Mormon prayers and diverts them. Their doctrine of mutiple jesuses is interesting because they claim to be believers in only one god except when mormons pray.
Listen_then_think
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:14pmMembers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or mormons, are christian. It says so in the name of the Church, it is proven by their actions and what they teach. It says so in their articles of Faith, in their prayers and their scriptures ie. the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon Another testament of Jesus Christ. By your fruits ye shall know them. You obviously don’t know any.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:30pm@neofan
Mormons will say they dont but if you follow the teachings of the original prophets they believe that God was once a man on another planet. They believe there are many gods. They believe threw exaltation they themselves can become gods. These beliefs of the founders prove the faith to be non Christian. Now the LDS has a very powerful propaganda wing and has spun the Christian thing to make people think they are Christians. You cannot believe the things of their prophets and believe in the Bible’s teachings.
Report Post »merrick
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:32pmDecide for yourself if Mormons are Christians:
Mormonism teaches that somewhere in eternity past God and his wife first existed as mortals on a different earth, overseen by their Heavenly Father and Mother.
This mortal couple died, received resurrected bodies, and eventually achieved godhood. They then procreated the millions of spirit children that would be sent to this earth as mortals. Thus God is part of an eternal chain of gods procreating spirit children for different worlds. Joseph Smith preached:
God himself, was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!…it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 305)
Really? This is up for discussion? The book of Mormon and all LDS literature read like a comic strip
Report Post »nealb4zodd
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:34pmMORMONS ARE Christian. – Void of your ignoramous minsconceptions, write a list of things that make up what YOU THINK a Christian is. – I guarantee, Mormon is Christian by any check box list you can come up with. – CHECK . .CHECK . .YES . .CHECK . . BOOM! . Christian. – stop shaking your head. .yes they are. – Im so sick and tired of you retarded monkeys voicing your braindead opinions on things your dufus preachers or neighbors tell you. – just STOP it already.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:37pmmutiny, I believe you and others of your ilk, are trying to get obama re-elected for the sole purpose of destorying the USA. I have heard of some of you right wing nutjobs(although I actually think you are an obamaton troll) that say: let‘s get the worst guy elected and we pick up the pieces when it’s all over. Well, I have faith that God does help us out. I think it was a miracle that Romney got the nomination(don’t pull that “we’re going to sue for delegates at the convention crap that west coast blathers on and on and on about, and get RP nominated). If it was really God’s hand–Santorum seems to have supported that idea, in a back handed way–then maybe God will carry Romney all the way to the presidency. We’ll see. But until then, you’re really kind of a one note guy–bflat, I think
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:38pm@neal
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
So was Smith lying or were the Christian faiths not around in the 1800s?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:55pmReligion aside, ROMNEY CANNOT WIN, I mean he will not get the disenfranchised Dem vote, they all tell me here in liberal land they will not do it. He will not get the Paul supporter vot, they have all taken a pledge. He will not get the youth vote, they will stay home. He cannot win with just you Republicans that have not woke up yet.
Report Post »Lawyers for Ron Paul have taken over the Paul campaign, filed a lawsuit that WILL unbind the delegates and will bring the RNC election fraud to light, another suit centered around RICO laws is coming next against the RNC and GOP leaders and indictments will follow. The fight for the nomination is not over. How can any of you complain about Democrats and election fraud when you turn a blind eye to the RNC doing election fraud? It absolutely amazes me how uninformed you all are.
P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:58pmhoe-lee-cow…
Seriously, are we seriously getting into this AGAIN? First off however, let me say “thank you” to a few of you who have allowed each of us to decide for ourselves if we are true “Christians” or not.
As for the rest of you –
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM TELLING OTHERS WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND STICK TO TELLING OTHERS WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
There are plenty of articles about other faiths on this site – and you never see us “Mormons” jumping on every chance to demean what you hold sacred – PLEASE show us the same respect.
In case any of you care, here is a quick quote from the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 25:26)
26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
The title “Christians” was a name first given to believers in Jesus Christ at Antioch in Syria, about A.D. 43 (Acts 11:26). The definition still holds true today. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are believers in Jesus Christ, thus, Christians.
Pretty simple, now lest move on to topics that actually matter to choosing a president. :)
Report Post »cachapaboy
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:08pm@Merrick, PauliePie and any other uneducated folks who like to shoot their mouths without having information to back it up:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or ‘Mormons’ as they’ve been nick-named, does NOT Teach anything about God the Father’s state of being, past or present, as official doctrine other than that what is cannonically accepted by ‘mainstream Christians’. A prophet might expound or analyze as he deems fit, but his word is scripture only as long as he is directed by the Holy Spirit and God’s will.
That being said, you also can’t discredit a teaching to which you have no basis to refute it. Joseph Smith said that God was once a mortal man like us. The LDS Church states that exaltation to a rank of godhood is possible. Do you have any scripture stating otherwise? Didn‘t Christ Himself when talking to the Jews reference a prior statement made in Psalms 82 that ’ye are gods’? (John 10) Did Adam and Even not become ‘as one of us’ (God) upon eating the fruit of the tree? Did Christ not command his apostles to ‘be perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect’? Why would he command someone to be perfect like God if it were not possible?
Oh yes, let us cling to our Bibles because surely truth cannot be found anywhere else. God put everything He wanted to tell us into that particular set of books and just closed the doors of revelation, right? Think for yourself – stop thinking like others want you to th
Report Post »constantreverie
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:12pm@Pauliepie
That’s a great question, and it shows how much Mormonism is misunderstood. If not taken in its full context, and not fully understood, it can be very confusing. In this example, Mormons believe in the existence of multiple Gods, however, Mormons believe in only one God.
How can both be true? Its kind of like saying I have only one house, but I think there are many houses. We have one God, and that will never change, we worship Jesus Christ. No matter how much we progress eternally, we believe that God will always be our God, and although their may be other deity, they matter not to us. In that perspective, there is only one God, and he is the God of all of “God’s creations. While we believe that other deity exist, to be honest we know nothing about it really, and don’t know to what degree they are Gods or what that means, but the fact is it is not important, because we know our God, we know Jesus Chris is our Savior, and that is all that matters.
Now someone else was saying that you can’t be a Christian and a Mormon, you can’t be both. That doesn’t make any sense and has no logical basis. First off, the church is not called “Mormons.” Its name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In the Bible, Christ taught that his church would be called in his name, not someone elses name. From that perspective, it is interesting that you can claim that other Christian churches with names based upon say; John the Baptist are Christian, but Mormons
Report Post »widdronn
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:14pmSome of the Mormons I know act more Christlike than anyone else I know. Who would dare say that is not Christian. You shall know them by their fruits.
Report Post »constantreverie
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:16pmNeoFan,
Report Post »Mormons do not believe in multiple Jesus’ that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. We pray to God, and it is answered and received by God.
HorseCrazy
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:24pmmormons are christians by their fruit you will know them…they produce much good fruit peace and love for Jesus Christ the son of God. what was that tidbit…God will judge, leave it to Him instead of damning an entire faith base.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:32pmTbtall;
“Mormons are not Christians. I am a Christian and will vote for Romney”
God. Than don’t. I’ve no desire to spend time with the likes of you regarding who to vote for.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:38pmGandhi was not a Christian but he did speak about Jesus. He was a good moral man whose fruit was good. Unfortunately he was not a Christian according to most thought which would make him unable to go to Heaven.
There are good and moral atheist, Hindu, Muslims, and I am sure every other faith in the books but it doesnt mean they are saved.
The problem Christians have with Mormons is more believe some key things different from us. The things are so big they cannot be anymore Christian than a Hindu.
1. God was a man on another planet. They believe there are many gods.
2. A man can become exalted and become a god. Another belief there are many gods.
If you are a Mormon and believe these things you are not worshiping the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:43pmmutiny;
“Mormons will say they dont but if you follow the teachings of the original prophets they believe that God was once a man on another planet. They believe there are many gods. ”
STOP IT!!! At this point you are blatantly lying. You know full well that these teachings have NEVER been part of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons did not believe these things then and do not believe them now. I speak accordnig to their faith and worship. You may find Mormons that believe these teachings, those who are OK with these teachings, and those that reject them. Anyway it does not affect their faith nor their worship. Even Brigham Young doubted some of these teaching as as he taught them. They are, therefore not teachings to believe in but expressions of opinion which all men are entitled to.
Now, stop lying. You’re conducting yourself in the worse possible manner but simply repteating that which you know is not true and the typical 9steroetypical) anti-Mormon Evangelical who no matter how many times they are corrected in responses, repeat the same line over and over again. Get over it and move on. Learn something for a change.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:50pmMutiny;
“So was Smith lying or were the Christian faiths not around in the 1800s?”
Her‘es the pertinent part of Joseph Smith’s First Vision account: “that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight”. “Holy Trinity” has become front and center to Christian faith. Despite the fact that there is no mention whatsoever in the bible of a “Holy Trinity”, this concept and title has become Christianity’s central identity. Therefore it is the creeds that have become to focus on, not God’s revealed word. That is abominable.
But, that being said, there is no declaration to declare the religions in and of themselves as abominable. In fatct the LDS leaders have a strong history is promoting all Christian faiths and in them and working with them. And there is not declaration that Christian churches are not Christians.
Now, to Neal’s challenge: What is a Christian? What makes a Christian?
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:51pmMay the only wise and true God have mercy upon the Christians who think this occultist, vile, evil, and wicked man is the answer to their prayers. Do they even pray? Do they not deserve judgement? Do they not deserve vile, evil, wicked leaders they vote for? Is this not their judgement they vote for? Is this not their end more swiftly accounted for in judgement than their entire works on earth ? When is the last time My people have earnestly prayed and studied My Word? Is not My Word the very mind of Christ? Do you not know the doctrines of demons. Can you not recognize an anti christ? Have you indulged in My Word?
Report Post »Do you not realize you are have corrupted your own country with your votes? Do you not realize you are the cause of evil? Do you not realize My judgement is at your doorstep?
Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:56pm@darren
That is the worst Mormon response to date. Your prophets said those things. Had Paul, Peter, Luke, or John said this nonsense they would have been proven false. Your creators of your faith said dumb things and people have been tricked into believing this garbage.
I will not stop posting about it. I keep repeating the same thing because you people will not answer or you give some lame answer like “its not in our cannon” BS. If the prophets were liars and fakes, the religion is fake.
Lets try this verse and see if its in your cannon.
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
So was Smith a liar or are all other Christian faiths an abomination in his sight?
Report Post »Billiondollardan
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:57pm“Mormons are not Christians.” It must be tough being members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and not believe in Jesus Christ
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:58pm@ Constant
Report Post »Please re-read Neofan. He was using irony to demonstrate how ridiculous some anti-mormon logic can be.
@ Mutiny
That‘s the most fairly put I think I’ve seen you do it to date. Thank you for making a favorable comparison to a likable guy so we get an apples-to-apples look at why you think Mormons can be nice, but not saved.
And I also, just for clarity’s sake, would like to know how you explain Romans 8, where we learn that just as Christ has inherited all His Father has, we too can inherit ALL the Father has. If the very idea of being heirs of God‘ kingdom DOESN’T imply ultimate access to godly wisdom, knowledge, and power at some eternally distant future, what does it mean? Wouldn‘t it be limiting the power of Christ’s atonement to claim He can’t possibly make human beings THAT pure? Are you claiming this inheritance is NOT as full as the scripture suggests? If there’s another way to understand that, I may not agree with you, but I’d at least like to know your perspective. The way it looks to me, is that we should take that inheritance literally, and that therefore it’s theoretically logically possible that even the Father may have been an heir at one time with which we have nothing to do (and which takes nothing away from His omniscient and omnipotence).
You should be open to clarity as well: LDS doctrine does NOT make the claims YOU claim they make, they just hold open the logical POSSIBILITY as I’ve described from Romans 8. I hope that help
Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:00pm@darren
The trinity has nothing to do with that verse. We can solve this right now.
1. Do you believe there is more than one god? Yes or no.
2. Do you believe God was a man before he was God.
3. Do you believe a man can become exalted and become a god.
If I am not mistaken the only way to outer darkness is to know the truth and deny it correct?
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Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:13pm@ P8RIOT
Report Post »The definition for a Christian is the Biblical definition. To use a reference – Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 25:26) is quoting a cultic religion writing scholars from all ages do not even believe is God’s Word.. You believe a lie. Joseph Smith went to hell. Many Christians have converted after realizing mormons teach abominations. Smith’s interpretation of early eygptan scrolls purchased to validate his proclamations was found by many worldwide secular scholars to be a false teaching and not even close to his interpretations. Joseph Smith is a vile, evil, wicked cult leader. Such non sense as the Moon and Sun were inhabited by quaker type people. Such teaching as holy underwear that has to be wore all the time except for bathing by temple worshipers. Have you even become the select few a temple worshiper? Most mormons are not good enough to worship in a mormon temple? What about the mormon killings of other mormons? Google this. What about the lack of scientific proof any of the book of mormons historical lies ever were in the Americas as taught. There’s zero scientific proof. All lies. What about the idea mormons come from american indians via israelites? DNA proves this is a total lie. What about the idea all other religions are lost sheep?
Mormons deny Christ as the only Way, Truth, and Life. They want to add works. Jesus plus works and you are still lost just like Catholics. Sorry, the Truth is Righteous
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:15pm@ Mutiny,
Report Post »Please don’t make the mistake of cherry-picking quotes out of context.
You asked Darren if the story about Christ telling Joseph Smith that all the other churches were an abomination in his sight is canonical. Of course it is, and you know it. But you’ve missed all the important contextual elements.
Christ didn’t tell Smith that no other churches had any Christian teachings. No one says there’s no good to be found there. You may not find that very comforting in the face of such a stark word as abomination, but I’d ask you to take a step back and ask yourself: if a rocket is a 10th of a degree off course, how far off will it be by the time it gets to the moon’s distance? In the absolute sense, Christ was quite right to use the word abomination, because at the distance He’s at from us, He knows what doctrines are false and won’t hit the mark, and which doctrines are true and will. From the human perspective, however, we should be able to walk hand in hand promoting Christ each in our own way on those points on which we DO agree, no? That He’s the Savior, the Only Begotten of the Father, come to lay down His life for sin, who can save us if only we’d turn to Him in His prescribed way.
Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:16pm@happy
I am not sure what happened to my reply.
The Blaze sometimes doesnt like me.
We do inherit our father’s kingdom as adopted children do. We get the keys the mansion, the sports cars, we get all the riches. What we dont get is his genes so to speak. Just as a adopted child can get love and things from this adopted parents in no way can he become of their blood.
Romans 8:10-16
14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
That means there are men who are not of the Spirit of God who are not son’s of God.
A few other references that we are adopted.
Report Post »Romans 9:8
Galatians 3:26
Colosians 3:6
1 John 3:10
John 1:12
Romans 8:24
1 John 3:2
Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:19pm(con’t);
Your position is about as absurd, actually more absurd, than were I to go around and say “if you read the early teachings of Mutiny‘s prophets you’d leanr that he believes that he should kill his oldest son if God told him to, that a donkey can talk, and that one spoke to a burning bush”. The reason your position is more absurd ids that you make your claims with absolutely no foundation. None. Whereas I presented topics which you absolutely believe in though you can clearly see how in presenting them you’d be seen as an extremist. The first wo doctrines do not have anything to do with the centrality of your faith yet I can make it sound as if they were, no? That is what you do with mormonism. mormon faith and worship has nothing to do with the Father’s origins, which are completely unknown to man, or about getting panets in the afterlife. It has everrything to do with recognizing Christ as Lord and following Him for He is the only way to the Father.
Now, to Neal’s challenge: What is a Christian? What makes a Christian?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:22pm@happy
I call your defense of Smith teaching BS. Smith referred to the other faiths creeds as abominations. That is pretty harsh.
Are Mormons the only real Christians?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:22pmHappystretchedthin;
“LDS doctrine does NOT make the claims YOU claim they make, they just hold open the logical POSSIBILITY ”
Very true. But if Mutiny‘s true to his own history he’ll repeat that line again and again and again.
/Sigh
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:26pmOOPS!!!
“God. Than don’t. I’ve no desire to spend time with the likes of you regarding who to vote for.”
That’s my quote. I truley menad “Good. Than don’t…”
I truly do avoid taking the Lord’s name in vein.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:28pmI’m a Catholic and I count Mormons as Christians…tell you what he’s not: He’s not a COMMUNIST; He’s not a SOCIALIST; He’s not Anti-American; He’s not the ANTI-CHRIST; He’s not a MUSLIM TROJAN HORSE; He’s not a MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!; He’s not a womanizer (or manizer) or child molester or drunk, druggie. He’s not trying to wreck the US ECONOMY like Obama.
If you are so stupid as to think that you won’t have to vote and by some miracle your freedom will be sustained, then I have no use for you. Don‘t want to read anything you’ve said. YOU lost your option to be “choosey” a few elections ago. This election is for the whole thing. IF you sit this out due to your “principles” and Obama wins I hope you choke.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:28pm@ Mutiny,
Report Post »No worries. I sometimes get a 20+ minute lag too.
So, not to push too far, but I‘m still feeling like you’re missing the full impact of what JOINT heirs with CHRIST implies.
I get the idea of adoption, and it makes sense from a certain point of view. But to the Being who said He could of stones raise up seed unto Abraham (in other words, make adopted ones full inheritors of the full blessings just as the natural offspring of Abraham were promised), I still detect something less than square with the scriptures to suggest the full power and glory don’t come with the car keys and the house.
I’ll stop there on this point though, since I’m not after convincing, just clarity.
Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:34pmMutinty;
If you notice that Happy and I are giving you very succinct replies to your claims. P8triot (when he’s got justifiably stark raving tired of your diatribes and replies to you…again) goes along with the succintness as well. This is because we are presenting to you what Mormons believe. Thjis includes accurately corretling the app;licatin of your quotes from LDS leaders as well as in response to Joseph Smith’s First Vision. You‘re taking your presupposed positions over that of our collective time in the LDS Church and you’re a fool for doing so.
“1. Do you believe there is more than one god? Yes or no.”
Yes. So do you. Do I worship more than one God? in the sense that the Son and the Father are two different Gods? Yes. In my faith? Nio. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are “One Eternal God”. In the end, all glory goes to the Father alone (monos). That is true monotheistic worship.
“2. Do you believe God was a man before he was God.”
No. Neither do you.
“3. Do you believe a man can become exalted and become a god.”
Yes. You do too.
“If I am not mistaken the only way to outer darkness is to know the truth and deny it correct?”
Yes. Sons of Perdition. This has not been definiteively defined however. What qualifies as such is up to speculation.
Report Post »mandrellgail
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:34pmMormons are Christians, hence their official name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:37pmmutiny;
“The trinity has nothing to do with that verse. We can solve this right now.”
Huh? “Trinity” and particularly “Holy Trinity” are found exclusively in the Christian creeds, no?
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:40pm@PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS –
Everything you stated about my religion is false. Some of your falsities have been twisted and some are just plain fabrications. You are the one making such accusations, thus the burden is yours to prove the truthfulness of them… i.e. give me your citations.
Anyhoo, in case you’re curious, here is what our Bible Dictionary states regarding Christ –
“Christ. The anointed (Gk.) or Messiah (Heb.). Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah, and was foreordained to his great calling in the Grand Councils before the world was. He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of his blood and his death on the cross. He rose from the grave and brought to pass the bodily resurrection of every living thing and the salvation and exaltation of the faithful.
He is the greatest Being to be born on this earth—the perfect example—and all religious things should be done in his name. He is Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, the God of the whole earth, the Captain of our salvation, the Bright and Morning Star. He is in all things, above all things, through all things, and round about all things; he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved.”
:)
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Report Post »cstinem
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:41pmYou people are doing exactly what is wrong, you act like Deace was not voting for Romney because he is a Mormon. Did any of you read his article??? Get off of whether he is a Christian or a Mormon – talk about what HE HAS DONE IN THE VERY RESENT PAST…
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:42pm“Smith referred to the other faiths creeds as abominations. That is pretty harsh. ”
Harsh? Yes. False? Nope. Rearranging the nature ofthe Father, Son, and holy Ghost is not taken lightly before God. However, it is theur creeds which are declared abominable, not the churches / religions themselves.
“Are Mormons the only real Christians?”
Of course not. The LDS do believe that the fulness ofthe gospel was restored to earth but that’s different than being a “true Christian”. Are Paulinians (of Ron Paul) the only “true conservatives” in the GOP races? On second thought, don’t answer that. It was rhetorical.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:49pmCstinem;
“You people are doing exactly what is wrong, you act like Deace was not voting for Romney because he is a Mormon. Did any of you read his article???’
You’re correct. He gave politicla reasons not to vote for Romney. I went along with this Mormons are not Christian meme only because it was first posted by TBall that he will not vote for romney since Romney is a Mormon and therefore not a Christian. Normally I’d report these types of posts as not being related tothe topic on hand but there is, as described and however thinly linked, a connection.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:57pm@ Mutiny,
Report Post »You’ve had some pretty clear responses to your questions from Darren, and yet, from my understanding of Mormonism, I’d answer them differently:
1. Other gods? Can’t give a clear yes or no. I think it’s possible, but irrelevant since they didn’t create my earth or universe, don’t offer me blessings or set my curses. There‘s no name but Jesus Christ by which I’m saved, and no God but His Father who I worship, as prescribed through Moses.
2. god previously a man? No clear yes or no possible again. I think it’s possible, but irrelevant since He’s an omniscient, omnipotent Being now, and has been since the beginning (don’t know if that word beginning is code for OUR beginning or THE beginning of all beginnings). Doesn’t change how I conceive of Him, just of my OWN hope of inheritance.
3. man can become like God? most emphatically yes, as demonstrated in a literal interpretation of Romans 8
4. Not sure what the outer darkness question is trying to show, but I believe God is perfectly just, and so will give everyone a fair chance at maximum glory, but in their freedom, the scriptures predict some will choose to fall short of full glory, and others still will come out in open rebellion. Justice dictates different degrees of damnation to fit different degrees of crime.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:08pmAs to calling BS, you don’t have to agree. But you should admit it makes sense from that perspective.
Report Post »LDS considers an authority necessary to act on God’s behalf. Based on Biblical literalism, entry into God’s kingdom requires the passport of baptism, and the ordinance of laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, for example. Your sect may not agree with this doctrine, or may explain some scriptures differently to exclude the need for these, but if they are required, it stands to reason that not just any yahoo could pick up and decide one day he was going to dunk people in a river and call it good with God. God‘s the one who decides who’s authorized and who’s not, and it has to be done His way. This is the pattern from Adam on up through Paul (who rebaptized people he suspected weren’t baptized correctly)-therefore, not merely Old Testament. Because of this belief, we can accept almost everything a lot of other Christian faiths teach about Christ, and still logically claim that without the authority, other churches can’t get people all the way there, so to speak.
In this very specific sense, other churches can be Christian in belief, and lack authority, and therefore end at the doors to the kingdom, but not inside. I don’t know how to better describe this than damnation, or abomination (because someone perverted SOME doctrine for that major point to get missed, no?)
You don’t have to agree, but I hope that’s at least clear.
Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:20pm@darren
1. Yes I know you believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three different gods. Are there any others?
2. Your founding prophet believed that.
3. I do not. This also answers my sub question to number one. You believe their are more gods than just the three.
Your answers prove without a shadow of a doubt you do not worship the Jesus Christ and God of the
Report Post »Bible. I hope and pray you do find Jesus Christ.
GodWillPrevail
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:40pmLots of false information on Mormons here.
Check out the book Godbodied. Chapter on Mormons making clear they do believe Jesus Christ was fully GOD. Furthermore there is much evidence that the very early Churches the Apostles created believed GOD had a body.
The Mormons believe GOD has always existed. They believe GOD has no beginning and no end. But also that we can become one with the Father just as Christ prayed. We believe that numberless people have in the past before Earth was ever created. We believe we to can receive this blessing Christ prayed for us to receive. If we do then we will be part of GOD or GOD if you want to put it that way. We believe that Jesus Christ created this Earth as GOD. That his father was one with GOD. That GOD is ever expanding in power and glory. As more and more become one with GOD. We believe that GOD has always existed but Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father were not always one with GOD.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:41pmMutiny;
“1. Yes I know you believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three different gods. Are there any others?”
Not in the Godhead nor to be anything like their equivalents. But “like God”? Yes. By the grace of God we can become like him as joint heirs with Christ. But that’s as far as we know doctrinally. Exactlywhat this means is up for speculation.
“2. Your founding prophet believed that. ”
Nothing you can attribute directly to him, he didn’t. “King Follet’s Report” was written by about four different authors who were seocnmd or third hand speculators. Their writings were later edited otthe edition we have today. There is nothing in Joseph Smith’s own writings that suggets any such thing. And, if he did believe it. Fine. But he never taught it as a tenet of LDS faith and worship. And that’s my main point to you which you do not seem to grasp nor want to grasp. You just say I’m trying to cover up the mess or something like that. The faxct of the matter is that there is nothing in error which I just shared with you. Except, maybe, the number of authros ofthe King Follet’s Report and their specific manner of writing what they did on Joseph Smith. But rest assured Joseph Smith wasdead before any of it was published and thus gave no approval of it.
“3. I do not. This also answers my sub question to number one. You believe their are more gods than just the three.”
Yes, you do. And there are three Gods yet one Eternal God and glory be to the
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:47pm“Your answers prove without a shadow of a doubt you do not worship the Jesus Christ and God of the
Bible. I hope and pray you do find Jesus Christ.”
LOL. I indicated no such thing. But you have shown once again that you’ll simply repeat everything you claim. This after yet again you’ve been shown the errancy of your claims. You, sir, are a liar. At the very least you should present what others believe truthfully and accurately.
“460 The Word became flesh to make us ”partakers of the divine nature”: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.“ ”For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.“ ”The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”"
Catechism paragrpah 460. I erased the footenotes for clarity in reading. Enjoy.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:50pmMy laste sentence o@ 9;41 should say, “Yes, you do. And there are three Gods yet one Eternal God and glory be to the Father.”
Report Post »rwinger261
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:04pmDo Mormons believe in the Trinity?
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:21pmMormans are Christians to the same degree that gay marriage is marriage.
Report Post »Two Sheds
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:23pmAll you guys picking on the Mormon, what the heck is Obama?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:24pmrWinger;
“Do Mormons believe in the Trinity?”
in terms of the literal meaning of “trinity” (one unit of three) absolutely YES!!! Mormons believe in the father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost. That these three persons are One Eternal God. In the historial sense of thow the “Holy Trinity” was formulated? NO!!! Specifically, Mormons do not believe that the Father ad the Son and the Holy Ghost are of the “same[immaterial] substance” and therefore numerically one God. To the mormons, this is unfounded biblically and is merely an post Apostolic Era declaration as to the official belief of the Godhead.
Report Post »db321
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:39pmI have one reason why this guy should vote for anyone else but Obama – read the Bible idiot!
No Christian can cast his/her vote for Abortion, Gay Marriage and Non Support of Isreal – I don’t care who the Canidate is – God is going to ask you to account for your Vote on judgement day!
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:56pmHalf of the 6 reasons given weren’t even reasons. The rest was just nonsense . . .
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 11:36pmI have never become so repulsed by a people as I have you Mormon hater’s. Something is terribly wrong with the fundamental belief system in which you use to determine your faith. Right out the gate, you have partaken of the fruit from the tree of knowledge, believing the lie that determines the actions preceding all sin. That is, you have bought into the lie that you can be like God, know good and bad. Yes, you people are being directed by Satan, according to the “Holy Bible”, operating in fear but claiming you act in faith. You have no such power to know good and bad, but only hold the power over your own personal choice determined by dictates of your conscious while being directed by the spirit. You idiots fail to recognize Christ has defeated death and we are no longer doomed to the fate which knowledge promises. Instead of inquiring in the spirit, the comforter, the greatest gift from Christ and our only source of wisdom, you seek a false security in knowledge as laid before you by the Devil, as you ignorantly walk about acting as if you are God. You people need to wake up and take a realistic look at the insanity you call you life, continually believing you possess a power while I assure you, you are powerless. The only power you have ,as stated above, is your God given power of free agency, or choice. A liberty you gave away to the devil as you trust in his lie. Just as Eve had. There is only one judge who has all power, and I assure you, it isn’t you !!
Report Post »papa2one
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:27amyou are 100% percent wrong that we are not christian Ibelieve in jesus and heavenly father and the Holy ghost, Take alook at our name ” The Church of Jesus Christ and latter Day Saints We do study the King James Bible, the book of Morom is a companion to the Bible. I will pray for you that you will se the light and not have your head stuck in the sand. God Bless you.
Report Post »avgconservative
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:37amSorry, Mormons may be a form of A Christianity, but not traditional Christianity in form or belief. They have an invented Jesus.
http://www.contenderministries.org/mormonism/missionaries.php
Report Post »“What Mormon Missionaries Won’t Tell You.”
fangbanger
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 1:08amthe mormon jesus is just as real as the catholic jesus. all religions are made up. not saying jesus didnt exist and bring about a revolution in his era. just that certain people may have exploited his followers for power and embellished him a bit. then killed all nonbelievers as heretics and burn anything but the approved version.
Report Post »masimo
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 1:15amYou can say the Mormons are Christian and believe in the Bible, but they read the Bible that has been re-written by their prophet Joseph Smith. Ask any LDS/Mormon to read their Scriptures on John 1:1 and then read any other bible other than the KJV of Joseph Smith. I live in Utah, LDS see Christ as a God, they do not believe in the trinity.
Report Post »dlmldm
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 1:50am@ Neofan, you challenge the lds to prove we are Christian. OK, at the link below I prove beyond a doubt that Mormon beliefs are biblical and profoundly Christian. I am not saying I prove Mormonism to be right or wrong, what I am saying is; I prove that Mormon beliefs are biblical and most certainly Christian. I challenge you to check it out and tell me whare I am wrong.
http://www.thoughts.com/dlmlds/actual-mormon-beliefs-are-biblical-and-profoundly-christian
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 2:24am@avgconservative;
“Sorry, Mormons may be a form of A Christianity, but not traditional Christianity in form or belief.’ BINGO!!! that was good as well as correct.
“They have an invented Jesus.” Awe, man, you started out red hot and now that? Eeek.
@Masimo;
“I live in Utah, LDS see Christ as a God, they do not believe in the trinity.”
a) You’re 100% correct that mormons see Christ as God.
b) You’re 100% correct in that Mormons do not believe inthe Holy Trinity. This wasa key point I brought up to Mutiny. The “Holy Trinity” has become the very center and heart of Christianity yetno such term or phrase is found anywhere in the Bible? If it didn’t come from the bible than where? From post Apostolic era creeds, that’s where. “Holy Trinity” is philosophy, not biblical doctrine yet it‘s what Christians embrace as if it were Gd’s revealed truth to man. Go figure.
@DLMLDM;
That link looks spectacular. I shall how save it in my favorites.
Report Post »ltcwilly
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 4:28amNo, they are not. You can say it all you want, PJL, but you can’t alter their theology, practice and history. If I stay in the garage long enough, it doesn’t make me a car. Neither does using the name “Jesus Christ” in your church make you a Christian. Get educated.
Report Post »Bot
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 4:44amIf there had been no Nicene Creed or Emperor Constantine, Catholic and Protestant theology would be quite similar to Mitt Romney’s In fact, there would likely be no need for the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) to restore Jesus Christ’s church. Mormons’ theology is based on New Testament Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ are closer to Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormon teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com/
According to a 2012 Pew Forum poll of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) 98 percent said they believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and 97 percent say their church is a Christian religion. They volunteer 7 times as many hours as does the general population, according to a 2012 University of Pennsylvania study. Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:
http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx
11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (including several presidents) were non-Trinitarian Christians, as is Mitt Romney, who is as faithful as the most devout Founder.
Contrast Mitt Romney’s faith to
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:05amLTC;
“If I stay in the garage long enough, it doesn’t make me a car.”
Dude, if you stayed inside your garage long enough to compete with your car than while that will not, as you astutly pointed out, make you a car, it would make you a secluded hermit. So, were I to post a sign on your garage door saying “LTC’s Garage” and it is a garage for a hermit living. That description would fit , would it not?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:07amBot;
Themz da’ fax!!! ;>)
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:57amSpoiled Children WANT WHAT THEY WANT and will Pout, Cry, Yell, and have Tantrums!
Report Post »chdorb
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:20amWell said. We need to put social isues asidew for this elecetion and concentrate on getting the anti-Christ out of the WH
Report Post »Lonescrapper
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:47amI don’t understand why you have a problem with what Joseph Smith said, but don’t have a problem with anything Luther said, anything the Pope said, anything Peter said, anything Paul said. They all have contradicted and said things that Jesus did not say and have doctrines that are in dispute. Yet you call all of them Christian? And about ‘being saved’ – who was it that said “ALL knees shall bow and ALL tongues shall confess that Jesus is the Christ?” was he wrong? Looks to me like everyone … according to God and the Bible … if they aren’t Christian now, will be and so all of us are ‘saved.’ Or am I misunderstanding the Bible? If I am, could it be possible you are too?
Report Post »dcshadows
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:55am@PJL
Sorry Pal, There is only one way to be a true Christian. By Faith through Grace. The Grace is only applied by the father when Faith is applied in his Son Jesus as a form of trust in what he said he is, has done and will do to get us to heaven.
Now, you may be mistaken to believe the notion that if you call yourself a Christian therefore you are one but I assure you that is only a myth. If it were so, then I am a billionaire. Nope, just checked the bank account and it looks as though no more than a couple hundred has been deposited in the last 15 days.
You can call yourself whatever you want but your heart will reveal who you really are sooner or later.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:09amQUESTION WITH BOLDNESS…..one of Glenn’s favorite quotes. Mormons, are you free to “question with boldness?” Really?? If so, read “The God Makers” by former Mormon Ed Decker.
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Lux
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:13amAfter reading the post in this thread the counsel given in James and Matthew came to mind. I would invite all to read and ponder teachings found therein. (See James 1:26-27, 3:2-12; Matthew 5:33-37).
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/james/1.26-27?lang=eng
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/james/3.2-12?lang=eng#1
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/5.33-37?lang=eng#32
You may also find Elder Russell M. Nelson’s address “The Canker of Contention” to be of interests. (See http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/the-canker-of-contention?lang=eng). He gives us some very sound advice, advice I believe all could benefit from.
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Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:15amAn ancient prophet, envisioning our day and observing what is going on, prophesied that if Satan is not checked, he will bring this generation to destruction. Addressing himself to our present situation, he said:
“… the kingdom of the devil must shake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish;
“For behold, at that day [that’s today] shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
“And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
“And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.” (2 Ne. 28:19–22.)
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Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:16amCont…
Now I am not calling attention to these things to discourage or frighten anyone. I refer to them because I know they are true, and I am persuaded that if we are to “conquer Satan, and … escape the hands of the servants of Satan that do uphold his work” (D&C 10:5), we must understand and recognize the situation as it is. This is no time for us to beat around the bush.
Neither is it a time for us to panic. The difficulties of our time have not come upon us unawares. The Lord clearly revealed the tenor of our times to us through his servants the prophets. We know that as the second coming of the Savior approaches, the tempo of Satan’s campaign for the souls of men is being and will continue to be accelerated. We know that the experiences of the intervening years will try men’s souls.
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Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:21amCont…
However we also know that God lives; that his “eternal purposes … shall roll on.” We know that to qualify us to prevail against Satan and his wicked hosts, we have been given the gospel of Jesus Christ. We know that the Spirit of Christ and the power of his priesthood are ample shields to the power of Satan. We know that through the gift of the Holy Ghost—the power of revelation which embraces the gift of discernment—we may unerringly detect the devil and the counterfeits he is so successfully foisting upon this gullible generation. Our course is clear and certain. It is to strictly obey the commandments of the Lord, as they are recorded in the scriptures and as they are being given by the living prophets.
In order to preserve our great nation we must put aside our differences and stand together. A house divided cannot stand. The outcome of this election will not just impact our lives or the lives of our children and grandchildren; its impact will affect many generations to come.
Report Post »helveydc
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 9:51amMembers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day are Christians and stand by their Savior in defending the rights of all of God’s children.
Report Post »clemV
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:51amWe‘ve already lost the country if you people are fighting about who is and who isn’t a Christian. The ignorance is pervasive; we should have been talking more about Ron Paul because now we’re stuck with two candidates, cut from the same cloth – which just so happens to be a dirty diaper. We get everything these Federalists have to dish out. We’ve already lost our America.
BTW, I‘m a vet and I’ve earned the right to speak what I feel. So keep your flaming to yourselves, neocons.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:15amFor clarity… being a Christian has nothing to do with where you church or what book you read but rather what that yields. A Christian is a person who actually lives the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You don‘t get to redefine Christianity to believe like I do OR you’re not a Christian. That notion in and of itself is NOT Christian.
What’s more… you are NOT GOD! You are not good at it… and the position has been filled.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:07pmAmericanfirst;
“A Christian is a person who actually lives the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You don‘t get to redefine Christianity to believe like I do OR you’re not a Christian. That notion in and of itself is NOT Christian.”
Thank you for that. The pure and simple definition of being a Christian in my view is a) devoting oneself to Christ b) always triving to live more like Him. That’s how the Bible seems to use the term.
Report Post »texasbeta
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:23pmInteresting point…so your hatred of Obama trumps your love of Jesus. Curious.
Report Post »mayihelpyou
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 1:43pmABO.
Report Post »This guy looks like a child molester. More to the point, his “logic” is idiotic. God doesn’t give two farts over the presidential election of the United States in 2012. The Bible clearly explains that we are the masters of our destinies. Romney, regardless of what some simpleminded radio host opines, has walked the walk. If this idiot doesn’t think that Obama should be removed from office then he is an Obama supporter. Plain and simple. That means that yes, a vote for Romney is a stand.
rto
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 2:33pmWhy do so many Christians do so much back biting? It’s not your job to judge people, God will do that.You need to not judge and except people for how they act. I know many Mormons and most are some of the best people I know. As a Christian I have many discussions about religion with them but I never put myself in gods shoes. God himself said we will be surprised at who‘s in heaven and who’s not. It’s all I can do to try keep gods word myself without passing judgement on any other religion.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 3:38pmI agree, Mormons are NOT Christians, They have been, and are being, LIED to by the leadership. Christ and satan WERE spiritual brothers?? That is what they teach. That aside, there is a GREATER threat,at present, and Barry is but ANOTHER anti-Christ, as Christ Jesus himself stated. Look UP, for OUR redemtion is NEAR!
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 3:40pmFear God, tell the truth, make MONEY!? Nuff said here. Another disciple of satan!
Report Post »PeterBucy
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 6:29pmI am not a Mormon, but they are very good people, devout, holy, and hold very good morals, and they also sincerely believe what they believe. If you define being Christian as believing in the trinity, then okay. they are not christian. But doesn’t the word christian mean, a follower of Christ. If the want to call themselves christian let them. Fight with them about doctrines, but who cares what they call themselves. with over 33,000 protestant denominations, which one are true Christians? I am a Catholic. And i truly believe that the Catholic church is the true church, Am I a christian? I have heard both. But logically I agree that the Catholic church is either 1) A cult, or 2) the true church. You cannot say that a church that claims to eat Jesus body and blood, and to have the vicar of Christ on earth, is just another denomination, its either a cult or the true church, and I say it is the church.
Report Post »SELECT
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:15pmWhat does your definition of Christianity got to do with electing somebody to replace the biggest fraud in the history of man? what B.S.!!!!!
I guess your parents said the same things about president Kennedy….
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:32pm@RTO;
“Why do so many Christians do so much back biting? It’s not your job to judge people, God will do that.You need to not judge and except people for how they act.”
Right you are.
@Hollywood;
“They have been, and are being, LIED to by the leadership. Christ and satan WERE spiritual brothers?? That is what they teach. That aside, there is a GREATER threat,at present, and Barry is but ANOTHER anti-Christ, as Christ Jesus himself stated. Look UP, for OUR redemtion is NEAR!”
OK. Thanks for sharing. Good luck with that approach.
“am not a Mormon, but they are very good people, devout, holy, and hold very good morals, and they also sincerely believe what they believe. If you define being Christian as believing in the trinity, then okay. they are not christian. But doesn’t the word christian mean, a follower of Christ.”
Right you are!!!
“I guess your parents said the same things about president Kennedy….”
Heh. Good point.
Report Post »ireport uderide
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:03pmTBTALL, you are correct in your statement about followers in the LDS church. I also will hold my nose and vote for Romney. I think he’s a honorable man and an accomplished leader.
PJL, sorry your wrong. Mormons do not believe Jesus is God. Mormons believe God had physical sex with the Virgin Mary and finally that they themselves will attain god hood status in the after life. Please correct me point by point if I’m wrong.
TBTALL; The rest of the replies to your post, neofan and thechristian…are plainly ignorant in their statements. There are fundamental beliefs in Christianity and there are secondary beliefs in Christianity. The former are the foundations of the Faith and the basis for your salvation, the latter are debatable and do not threaten your salvation.
If you don’t know what the difference is then you should do your homework.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:24amIreport;
“Mormons do not believe Jesus is God.”
Yes, they do: “And behold, when that time cometh, none shall be found blameless before God, except it be little children, only through repentance and faith on the name of the Lord God Omnipotent.” (Mosiah 3:21); “For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.” (Mosiah 3:5). Soundsl ike they believe He’s God to me. or are you saying that they do not believe He is the Second Person in the Holy Trinity? Because that they do not believe.
“Mormons believe God had physical sex with the Virgin Mar” The is absolutely not true.
“and finally that they themselves will attain god hood status in the after life” That’s true and that is very biblical and very much part of the early Latin Christians and is still taught in in Eastern Christian soteriology.
“you should do your homework
Back at you, sir.
Report Post »packa14
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:32amI belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints , commonly called Mormons the name of the church refers to Christ I will bet the name of your church does not have Christ in it!! And ole holy Christian what is the second command read it, you are short of the virtue represented in the second commandment! I love all my Neighbors far and near, reading your 6 reasons you come up short old boy!!! Oh by the way we only Worship Christ, and not the green back dollar!!!! Mormorns are Christian
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:03amTo the Tbtalls, the Neofans, the Prosecute_public_servants, and of course, the Mutinys of the world:
It is totally unbelievable that you set yourselves up to be authoritative voices on what we Mormons believe!!! I do not believe nor practice anything that all of you have posted. I’m assuming that you think that you are enlightened about liberal and marxist politics, particularly that of the current president, but yet you show your glaring, dark, blind, and total ignorance concerning my church’s teachings.
To anyone that may believe or agree with what they say, you are pathetic. They are only complete ignorant fools or are outright lying.
As someone else posted above, I, too, am disgusted by the infighting of so-called and self-proclaimed “Christians.” Your remarks and lack of common respect is NOT Christian. Neofans said to prove we are Christian. Well, he and the others of his ilk certainly have proven that they are NOT Christian in my opinion.
I equate this “Mormons are not Christian” to the same liberal knee-jerk reactive statement of “You’re racist.” It’s the most easiest and convenient thing for them to say and they are well-trained to say it and habitually say it. No difference in your religious bigotry and their playing the race card. Hypocritical.
Report Post »wog1
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:10amYou say that Mormons are not Christian. You say so because someone somewhere says that is the case. Why did they say it? Who are they? Visit temple square in Salt Lake City and go through the visitors centers. They have two buildings that testify of Christ and one building has three floors.
Report Post »Cynicalone
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:50amSorry PJL whoever you are…Mormans are not Christians… Christians believe Jesus Christ is the only begotton son of the almighty god. Jesus’ blood was shed for our sins on the cross, he was born from a virgin birth. Christians dont believe that Christ was a good man from a galaxy far far away transplanted here by his good works as the LDS church will have you believe. That is my major disagreement with you and the LDS church Im sure there are hundreds of others; however, this is the only one that matters to me. WIll I vote for him? Sure, because of my disdain for Obama I would rather not throw my vote away on someone without a chance to win.
Report Post »Mike204
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:58amRomney’s Religion
Report Post »Mitt Romney and about 14.4 million others are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Savior said that He would build his church on the rock of revelation (Matt. 16:15-18). The biblical description is consistent, denoting apostles and prophets as foundational and essential and perpetual (Eph. 2:19-21; 4:11-14; Acts 1:24-26). A group called the Seventy was sent forth as evangelists (Luke 10:1). Bishops and deacons were also offices in the Church of Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:1). Elders administered to the sick (James 5:14-15). The message of the Church is to follow Christ and covenant to do so by baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:37-39). Romney and 14.4 million others believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the same New Testament Church of Jesus Christ restored to the earth again. Being neither Catholic nor Protestant, and having no paid ministry makes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints a target for lies and slander by those who feel it threatens their business. Christ, Jehovah, told Amos (3:7) that He would do nothing without revealing it to his servants, the prophets, and John in Revelations (19:10) declared that “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” I believe that this belief that God will answer prayers and give guidance to men will be the greatest asset Romney will have when he is elected.
n9jxu
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:02amAgreed. But with so many Mormons here I usually say they are not “Bible-only” Believers. Just because I live in a garage does not make me car. Sooo; Just because I call myself a Christian does not make it so! There are objective standards that we can measure if one is a Christian. Sorry for being off topic.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:22pm@N9JXU –
Okay, but just because your car looks differently than my car does not mean my car is not a car. The way you are attempting to limit the definition of Christian by adding your specific beliefs is like saying a car is only a car if its the same color, shape, and brand as yours (i.e. your car has a roof, so you say any car that doesn’t have a roof is not a car, e.g. a convertible).
Anyhoo, I‘m sure you get my point that you can’t say a Christian is a follower of Jesus … and… must believe other specific beliefs you have in addition to being a follower of Jesus.
All of these conversations regarding who is a Christian and who is not, is futile if we’re all going off our own definitions. I say we stick to the biblical definition of a Christian which is simply a follower of Jesus.
Report Post »Copper Catfish
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:17pmHave you ever attended a Mormon service? If not, then you have no right to say they are not Christians!
Report Post »patriotone
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:32pmMormons believe in a different Jesus than the one every other Christian believes in. If Islamists called Mohammed “Jesus” instead of Mohammed then they would be just as Christian as Mormons are.
Report Post »John Burwell
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:20pm@thechristianrepublic.com your Bible also says that there will be many false Christ’s and many false prophets who come in His name, that is what Mormonism is, they worship a jesus who they say was Michael the Arch Angel, they worship a false Christ, they do not confess that Christ was sufficient to save us from sin, you must be a Mormon. Their gospel is as follows: “by knowing good and evil you shall become gods” this is the same gospel that Satan preached in the garden. Your Bible also says “if I or an angel of heaven bring any other gospel than that which I have delivered to you let them be accursed” Galatians Mormons will tell you that they have another gospel of Christ delivered to them by an angel. It is an antichrist cult.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:39pmCynicalone;
‘Mormans are not Christians… Christians believe Jesus Christ is the only begotton son of the almighty god. Jesus’ blood was shed for our sins on the cross, he was born from a virgin birth. ”
Exactly what Mormons believe.
“Christians dont believe that Christ was a good man from a galaxy far far away transplanted here by his good works as the LDS church will have you believe.”
WHAT?!?!?! Mormons don’t belive any such thing.
Glad to know you’ll vote for Romney. I’m voting for him as well.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:51pm@ Patriotone;
“Mormons believe in a different Jesus than the one every other Christian believes in. If Islamists called Mohammed “Jesus” instead of Mohammed then they would be just as Christian as Mormons are.”
In Mormonism Jesus is the Son ofthe Father, born of the virgin Mary, suffered in Gethsemany, died upoon a cross on Calvary for the sins ofthe world andwas resurrected the third day. How do Christians describe Jesus?
@
“they worship a jesus who they say was Michael the Arch Angel, they worship a false Christ”
I do believe you‘re confusing Mormons with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Mormons do not belive Jesus was the Arch Angel Micheal, Jehovah’s Witnesses do. Furthermore, Mormons believe Jesus is the Jehovah odf the old Testament. Jehovah’s Witnesses emphatically reject that idea.
“they do not confess that Christ was sufficient to save us from sin, you must be a Mormon”
They absolutely do confess that Christ was sufficient to save us from our sins. They do preach that one much obey Gods‘s commandments and covenant to do so to access God’s grace through His Son but it is by grace which we are saved.
“Galatians Mormons will tell you that they have another gospel of Christ delivered to them by an angel”
They teach the visitation of angels but do not preach a “new gospel” at all. They preach the restoration ofthe one true gospel of the Son of God.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:00pmI will vote for Romney as an American. I will pray he makes the right choices as a christian.
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:25pmGo ahead vote for the ocultist. How much time have you studied the mormon doctrines. ZERO.
While your at it, you should have voted for Adolf Hitler. Adolf was also a Christian. And so is Obummer and Romney. Folks none of these men will be in heaven if you go by what they have said so far in the media. All of them are lying deceivers and their father is the father of lies. SATAN.
“As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ” Adolf Hitler
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.” Adolf Hitler
When your family dies and you are eaten by dogs or you have to boil your children to eat as happen to Israel, then, you will learn the God of the Bible takes pleasure in bringing glory to His name through judgement. You have asked for it by your unlearned voting for evil leaders.
What judgement? Putin may reign your neighborhood with a thermal nuke any day now over Syria. Just one of the people God can use to bring judgement to America if you ignor the judgement of Obummer. Christians have failed to be salt and light and are at fault.
Report Post »IAMAnonymous
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:29pmHe will not.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:30pmI really wonder if Deace is a Christian? I do know he’s an idiot.
We often have to vote for the lesser of two evils, but I will NOT vote for a man who stands for communism, who only claims to be Christian, but votes FOR late term abortions. This is about as un-Godly as it comes.
Mr. Deace: Why does the Mormon Church call themselves “Church of Jesus Christ of the latter day Saints?” They do believe in Jesus, but obviously not to your liking.
Report Post »I’m taking exception to your idiocy and believe you know nothing at all about anything.
So, you go vote for your communist candidate who we’ve known has had a very questionable past, if that makes you feel better. May God bless America with likes of you.
GodWillPrevail
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 11:16pmRomney made it clear in 2002 he was not a Republican. His entire record as Governor was not as a Republican in actions.
Now he claims to actually be a Republican. I do NOT believe him. His Spokesman said “Obama is doing a great job” that disqualifies Romney in my estimation. Only a pure Statist Progressive could believe such and almost all of them are Democrats. Thus to me Mitt is a Democrat again eliminating him as a valid person to vote for.
Mitt has put into law everything I abhor but before Obama did and more than Obama got into law. If I could actually choose between the two the winner I would choose Obama because Obama can not get anything passed. Mitt Romney could get a lot passed none of which should pass. Or mostly none. Thus Obama would hurt America less and would probably get Impeached damaging the Democrats. Mitt would damage the Republicans. Obama is the less of two very evil men.
Report Post »Lonescrapper
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 7:55amSome of you say he didn’t vote like a Republican, he sure as hell did vote like a Republican… In Massachusetts. Aren‘t you the same people glad Brown got elected in Kennedy’s seat to keep the votes in the senate from going nuclear? How is he a Republican but Romney isn’t? You have five different standards. You don’t like the GOP being a big tent party, then stfu and make your own. You can influence the party to be more conservative (as the libertarians do) but you saying Romney isn‘t a Republican is just like people saying he’s not Christian – it really doesn’t matter, that is how he is running. Ron Paul figured it out. Maybe you should too
Report Post »affinity
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:00pmIt really doesn’t matter what any of us think or believe because the elites have given us their two choices. He‘s probably right about everything he said but in the end it doesn’t matter. Be prepared.
FFTyranny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:59pmPersonally, I strongly believe Mr Deace needs to be more honest and come out of the closet. His main problem I think is that he is gay and he doesn’t like Romneys stance on gay marriage.
Mr Deace, we are all sinners and you are no different. If you tell me or the world that you don’t sin, then you are a liar and a sinner. I think you’re gay and thats your problem. Come on, come out of the closet and repent.
Report Post »teebubba
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:59pmDeace…just another hypocritical charlatan pretending to be a Christian for monetary gain.
Report Post »Tomgeist
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:58pmDeace refuses to be a rah-rah cheerleader for the GOP because he’s been let down so many times by the words-not-deeds that come from the mouths or the “republicrats” running the party. Yes, he does skewer Romney over the $50 abortions in Romneycare and the signing of marriage licenses for sodomizers getting married in MA and his support for TARP – and rightfully so. He does have a podcast and I would suggest listening to any of the Thursday night editions (the latest being 06/14/12) and the movie reviews with Mike Woody. Along with the Amen Corner of Jen and Rebekah, it’s a very interesting show.
Report Post »REPUB1
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:55pmif anyone out there follows this MORON is equal to or Far AboveThe MORONS in the so called catholic church……
Report Post »cryinginthedesert
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:55pmhe is wrong about voting. The Bible also clearly tells us to be good stewards of what he has given us. It is also God’s desire that no one would die in sin, but yet due to man’s freedom of choice, people do all the time, and I would hate for evil to win out because thousands of people with this attitude chose not to vote. We are God’sinstruments here on earth – taking doctors for example.
God gave man the wisdom to be able to heal though science, Deace’s view would let him lay on a death bed because of a common infection than seek help of medical professionals because if God wanted to heal He would. Well that’s true – God has healed me many times most notably from cancer DURING a round of testing (but that’s another post).
Sometimes we need to get off our rears and go to the doctors just like some times we need to get off our rears and go to the poll’s to vote in the people which will uphold biblical principals instead of trying to blatantly trample over them. I am so tired of hearing about the “evangelical vote”. I tell people all the time, I’m evangelical and I vote EVERY election – I don‘t have to be courted I am following God’s instruction.
Report Post »libertylover55
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:54pmI believe, because of the way the country was headed, we were given Obama to open our eyes to the many freedoms we were and are on the verge of losing. I believe Romney will lead us back to constitutional rule as well as a better economy. I don’t know Deace, but I believe he is judging Romney on his religion which is unconstitutional. He doesn’t know what a godly man Romney is. I know he says he hopes he will be proven wrong and am here to tell him that he will be proven wrong.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:02pmHow is judging someone on their religion unconstitutional?
justangry
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:24pmRomney has stated that he supports all the post 9/11 (illegal, in my mind) legislation and you think he’ll abide by the Constitution? Can you explain, please?
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:59pmHey, JUSTANGRY….how about you JUSTCALMDOWN. Besides, with words like “all” post-9/11 legislation, I think you’re the one with explaining to do. No sources? No video clips? No references of any kind? If you keep up your nonsense, I’m changing my username to JUSTGETOVERIT.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:21pmHey mutiny, uh, we do not have a religious litmus test in this country to run for president. I know you want obama in, your various and NUMEROUS posts advocate that, but the rest of us want a constitutional president and government. So, you and your obamaton friends posing as RP supporters need to find a different website where you can live out your fantasy lives in a fantasy world. The rest of use have a job to do: Removing obama this November.
Report Post »By the way, where is your bud, west coast patriot tonight? He is usually dancing with you on the keyboard. Feeling lonely? oh well, there’s always justangry to hook up with.
justangry
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:27pm@Letusreason, OMFG… REALLY? Am I supposed to post links on EVERY post? It’s common knowlege. If you’re not in the loop, look it up. I’m too lazy to support your laziness.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:35pm@jsc
Well your post is really bad. First off my question was based on the topic of the forum(Mr. Deace’s) vote or reasons for not supporting Romney. So again I ask “How is judging someone on their religion unconstitutional?” Not allowing him to vote how he chooses is unconstitutional.
As for me being a Obama supporter, I am guessing you think all Ron Paul supporters are for Obama.
As for WCP. He has great informative posts. He always adds something to the forum which is something I cannot say about your post.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:39pm@justangry
We have spoiled these people.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:54pmFor those curious, here’s a man who Beck has had on his shows as a host. This guy knows a thing or two about Constitutional Law:
For whatever it’s worth, here are some links:
Judge Napolitano: Why The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI
Judge Andrew Napolitano, Natural Rights and The Patriot Act, part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1P53wMbnsw
What’s So Patriotic About The Patriot Act? | THE PLAIN TRUTH by Judge Napolitano 10/26/11
Report Post »youtube.com/watch?v=IvRWjFLvXZI
65Mustang
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:53pmI have never, never heard of this man…but I WILL NOT cast a vote for Obama as he seems to be doing…so much for being a Christian.
Report Post »IAMAnonymous
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:13pmNot Voting does not equal a vote for Obama. I’m completely tired of this simplistic reasoning. Not voting is removing your consent to be governed. When everybody grows up and realizes that voting for either party is a vote to send this country down a rathole. Voting just determines how fast we go. When neither party has a clear electoral majority or only 5% of the public votes, then they will be exposed for what they are. Dictators!
Report Post »BORNINTOAWORLDATWAR
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:34amIAMAnonymous
Would you please do us a favor and do some kind of flowchart showing the logic of what you are trying to say here. I have read it 3 times and I still don’t know what you are trying to say.
The one with the most votes wins, so not voting reduces the amount one side gets and thus the other side has at least one more than the other. It seems simple but maybe I just don’t get it.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:52pmRambling rambling rambling… Just vote for Romney and get over yourself. All our votes will matter more than ever this round.
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:00pmObummer and Romney are not and will not be the cause come Nov.. YOU ARE THE CAUSE READER.. You who vote for evil leaders and deny and dispise moral leaders like Ron Paul. In the end, someone like Putin will bring your judgement for failing to be salt and light to America and the world.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:40pmOh, okay. So let me go throw away a vote for Ron Paul, as if he has a chance, and if he did than I would vote for him, but he doesn’t. Put your bong away.
Go watch another episode of Matlock and stop bothering people.
Report Post »DeathRattle
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:52pmI’ve said it before, I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, Obama will ruin the country in 4 years if re-elected, it may take Romney longer to ruin the country but we will still get there. Many conservative people are having a hard time voting for Romney because his is no conservative, he said so himself. It took guts for Mr. Deace to publicly state his opinion just for the reason he will be called every name in the book by conservatives for thinking how he does. I am no Paul supporter, God forbid I couldn’t have voted for him either the man disturbs me with his rants. I thought my republican party understood after putting up McCain that the right doesn’t want a RINO as a candidate and yet here we are again.
I am having serious trouble as a Christian man voting for Romney. Ive said it and I’ll stand by it so let the attacks begin, but there are a lot more folks out there like me than the right realizes. I don’t know what the answer is, or how to get around certain problems I have with Romney, but the truth is they are there.
Report Post »14ESCHATOLOGY
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:26pmone more in your boat…WE are definitely not alone.
Report Post »RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:04pmYou are not alone. I abhore Obama. I can not turn my back on the Lord and abandon all principles through voting for Romney just to get rid of obama.
Report Post »To paraphrase the messiah: What profits a man if he gain an election and lose his own soul?
My relationship with the Lord is worth more than an election. Getting rid of Obama is not a large enough bribe to get me to abandon the Lord.
If Obama is re-elected, I fear that our country may be lost.
If Romney is elected, I will know that our country already IS lost, because those who should have worked to save and restore this nation have abandoned their principles and their charge for the sake of an election.
WEBWITHDEB
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:05pmI am there also, and it has nothing to do with Romney’s religion. We are all not polar opposites. There is no reason for individuals to think that there are only two choices in this race. There is a need, though, for the other choices to be vetted by all of us individuals who use our own minds, hearts, and experiences (such as knowing the Constitution as our rule of law) to discern how to vote.
Report Post »Watchingtheweasels
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 11:19pmYou hit the nail on the head, Deathrattle. It seems as if the same thought process that led people to pull a lever for “hope and change” in 2008 (Obama) are leading people to pull a lever for hope and change in a different direction in 2012 (Romney). I suspect they will be equally as disappointed.
In reality, what *is* Romney going to do that much differently? People point to the Supreme Court, but Romney has a long track record of nominating liberal democrat justices. Spending, he is going to roll things back to 2008. So we’ll be speeding down the highway in the wrong direction at 55 instead of 75. Great. He just refused to say he was going to overturn Obama’s defacto declaration of amnesty.
Report Post »cosmic dogma
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:50pmHe is a fool. If obama wins this election, our country, AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT WAS, IS OVER. Do you want obama as president if there is a world war? Do you think he will lead us through to a positive outcome for Christians? obama’s reelection would be the end of life as we know it. And the beginning of the new dark ages. I voted for Ross Perot, and will NEVER VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE EVER AGAIN. Learned my lesson, and will not repeat it.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:03pmWhat does Obama do that destroys our country? Tell me what he is doing that will end this country.
jsciai
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:13pmThank you Mutiny, for finally coming out of the closet for Obama. I have been saying for some time that you and your co-obamatons Br Winston, west coast patriot, just angry, and others, are not really conservatives, but rather obama’s minions, working to confuse the true patriots into getting him elected again. Your post cannot be more plain. I suggest we all recognize these trolls and do our best to ignore them, goodness knows that will be hard since they seem to have diarhea of the keyboard!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:16pmMutiny: Are you really so obtuse ? Two words, dude: Karl Marx. Three words : Greece and Spain. One word : Italy.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:30pmJSC: I totally agree with you ! This site has been “occupied ” by these Lefty Trolls asking inane questions. Any religious article draws them like flies ! They hate religions, especially Christian religions, the way vampires hate the light of day ! Sad , young, twisted, brainwashed, angry dudes. Guess that’s why the Left has been so busy dumbing down American education . These guys are the result of their efforts. Sad mess.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:42pmSaying Karl Marx, Greece, Spain, ect means nothing. I want to know exactly what you think Obama is doing to this country. Example, spends to much money, takes away freedoms, and wars. I will get to my point once one of you knuckleheads takes the bait.
I would suggest you not take the bait, because its going to make Romney and his supporters look silly.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:48pm@Mutiny Have you checked the debt clock lately? Have you noticed the massive expansion of Government programs? Have you noticed the animosity towards our several free states? How you noticed his very liberal policies concerning education, abortion and marriage, which are contrary to our nation’s heritage and foundations? Has the border been better secured? Has he united Americans? Has he decreased unemployment? Has he made our dollar stronger? Has he encouraged companies and individuals to take advantage of our American free markets and capitalist economy?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:48pm@colt
Ok, now we know what Obama does how does Romney fix it.
Spending? Romney’s budget doesnt cut current spending levels. He basically endorses Obama’s spending.
Wars? Romney has said he will continue or even expand our never ending militarism.
Freedom? Romney supports the Patriot Act and NDAA.
The FED? Romney doesnt want to waste time on the FED and has said Bernanke is doing a fine job. He recently came out against Bernanke but Bernanke hasnt changed his polices it was just Mitt pandering for votes.
Obamacare? Romneycare and calling for a national health care mandate in 2009 doesnt help Romney’s case.
I dont think you took my questions the right way because I have seen some of your posts.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:02pmMutiny;
“What does Obama do that destroys our country? Tell me what he is doing that will end this country.”
WHAT??? Last time I dialogued with you you fiercly defended private ownership of business. What direction has GM gone under Obama? There is yet another “clean energy” company (A123) about to go under after receiveing $250 million in Obama-backed stimulus money. Universal Healthcare has drivien up costs, debt, resctricted access to medical and medical care everywhere it has been practiced. furthermore it demands we all buy a product.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:19pm@darren
You are correct, I am trying a new approach. See people are blaming Obama for everything. Obama is terrible but the same people tearing Obama a new one for his polices are ignoring the same polices coming from Romney.
Report Post »PlowMan
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:50pmHow is it that in a two party system voting for candidate A is not a no vote for candidate B? In other words, how on earth does someone, besides the worst president ever, get elected if someone like this fellow (& millions like him) doesn’t vote for him. It may be simplistic but 2 plus 2 equals 4 is simplistic too but it’s the truth! I also understand not seeing eye to eye with Romney, but we didn’t get to this point all at once and we are not going to get back to our founding all at once either. In other words, Rome wasn’t built in a day!!
Report Post »T-2
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:49pmChris Farley?
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:56pmThe enemy is not Obummer or Romney. The enemy is you. You who choose to not be salt and light and stand against sin and vote for morally righteous leaders. You who hide from standing. You who vote for evil. You who hope against God’s coming judgement which will start with Christians. Ron Paul you dispised and now you will have evil.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:46pmDeace: Fear Obama, Lie, Free Money
Report Post »incognito.groucho
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:46pmWhat this country doesn‘t need is another idiot like Blackstone22 who can’t stand for someone who stands up for their legitimate views.
Report Post »AllLost
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:45pmLook how well the progressives have cornered us today. People hate Obama policies so much they are running to Romney like he is some sort of savior. Well guess what….Romney is Obama in different clothes and at a different speed.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:22pmI call Bull crap on that staement, and I am royally sick of hearing it. The differencs is one is bound by morals of a lifetime, that he has lived and served in the capacity of those morals, as a bishop and a stake president. If you think for one minute those jobs are handed to a name , you are wrong. Growing up in a prominate LDS family doesn’t mean you get handed those resposibilities, you have to be a good member, an intelligent member able to lead and guide those in your care. When making difficult choices you have to humble yourself and depend on Heavenly Father for guidance. I have no doubt he hasn’t always done what many of us would have liked, but he, like all of us has to learn and grow, including from mistakes, and he isn’t (gasp) perfect. Obama is not moral and has never served God like Romney has. They are polar opposites. Remember, laws of the land are written by men, and many of them disagree with LDS teachings. Example we do not believe in abortion, but we believe in free agency, we can choose to do right or wrong. The law has no place in that decision, but law was passed. That is going to be one of many where as a good man he will have to struggle, but at least he will struggle. Obama just seeks to please everyone so he can tear down the country. I do not for a microsecond expext Mitt Romney to tear it down and spit on the constitution.
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:33pmI see the two as identical. I’ve reviewed both records as well as what they have both stated as their vision for America and cannot agree with either of them. If anyone here can tell me how any of the candidates can drastically reveres the course we are on, then I would be glad to listen, however, looking at all points (manufacturing, housing, state and local governments, military, courts, senate and house, food, epa, education, law enforcement, accounting, FED, and over 5 dozen federal agency’s, taxes, medical, SS, deficit, etc.), I do not see any possible fix by either one. It appears that “they” are just riding the train into the canyon with one with a little parachute.
Report Post »Want our country back
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:45pmRon Paul supporters will be crowing….
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:53pmIts not crowing. Facts are facts. Ron Paul supporters on theses forums put out facts and back them up with sources. The pro Romney group is either Mormons or the “at least he isnt a commie” crowd. Neither of those two pro Romney groups will inspire me to vote for Romney.
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:13pmI have studied the doctrines of Mormonism. Unlike Christian spiritual leaders that have bowed to baal, I will tell you the Truth. Mormonism is cultic and no way the Jesus Christ of the Bible. The Jesus Christ they teach is an anti christ of satan. Mormons have no true hope of eternal life. They hope their works will get them to a better place after death. It’s all a fraud. Do your own research.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:22pmWhy would we be? Because some preacher with a radio show said some of the things we’ve been saying for a year now? It‘s not like we’re happy about this mess either. We said all those things because we believe them to be true.
Report Post »TomTraubert
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:47pmWhy don’t RP supporters try getting a Mayorship? Governorship? A congressional seat? It’s better than incessant whining on online forums or tricking online polls and might actually mean something concrete.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:59pm@Tom, They are dip****. All over the country. You just don‘t know it because they don’t say it on Fox.
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:43pmAMEN AND AMEN.
The issue for a Christian is both candidates are vile, evil, wicked leaders and Ron Paul, the moral leader, is dispised similar to Jesus Christ for telling the truth. Americans deserve Putins nuclear thermal missles. When Putin, angry at the G20 meeting today over Syria, decides to nuke the US, maybe you will understand why your family and you died because Ron Paul was not President.
Report Post »PJL
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:13pmYou are one sick puppy!
Report Post »Adam
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:43pmI’m with 100% with Deace.
Report Post »graciebarbosa
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:25pmThen you are 100% an idiot that is asking for Obama for another term. Deace is an idiot.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:42pmHey Steve; wise up and get with reality. You have a radio show? Oh boy. May your listeners know better than you.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:05pmSame goes for your sheep. You attitude and outlook has gotten us into this spot. Help me out Tron, how exactly is Obama destroying our country?
Fella
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:32pmHe has about 100x the listeners you have, Tron. Maybe if you had some conviction instead of the boring, tired, talking points garbage you bandy about daily you might be doing better. Try some honesty on your audience. It might just work.
Report Post »graciebarbosa
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:55pmSteve Deace is a fail.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:41pmI don’t like or trust Romney either, but as a Christian I will vote for him. One thing I know for sure, our nation cannot survive another four years of Obama’s rule.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:14pmWhat is Obama doing to this country?
Gourdy
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:37pmDeace doesn’t believe Mormons are Christians, so I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in his reasons above — his agenda is deeper.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:46pmRomney will be another Bush. Nothing on immigration. Nothing on taxes. Nothing on tort reform. Nothing on ending government bailouts…. nation building… .
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:00pmMost Christians dont believe Mormons are Christians. Hell for that matter most Mormons dont believe they are Christians. If they do they are not following the words of Joseph Smith their prophet.
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
Since the other “Christian churches” existed when Smith wrote this is he clearing saying we are all wrong and a abomination in his sight. He either has a clear belief of what his faith is or he to quote the many Mormons on this sight referring to me is a “bigot”.
Mormons are not Christians. Mormons are Mormons. Christians are Christians.
bbailey
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:26pmMormons are not of the Christian faith…a cursory moment of research would reveal that….for example, they believe Jesus and Satan are brothers…or recognizing Joseph Smith as messiah.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:18pmMutiny: and you are a Lefty atheist.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:44pm@barber
Prove it using my posts. You will see clearly I am Christian libertarian.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 7:19pm@GOURDY –
Good to see you here. I know from your past posts that you are Catholic and not Mormon, yet you have always shown my faith great respect. You are a great example of a great Christian. Its nice to see some people are willing to unite our common values to make this a better country, regardless of whether or not we go to the same church. :) BTW – you have made a great impression on me of Catholics.
@MUTINY – “Mormons are Mormons. Christians are Christians.” Actually our name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints… so in you logic – members of the Church of Jesus Christ are members of the Church of Jesus Christ and Baptists are Baptists.
@BBAILEY – “recognizing Joseph Smith as messiah.” Now that one is actually funny. You probably also say ignorant things like accusing Catholics of worshiping statues of Mary, etc. Geesh, pure ignorance.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:02pm@p8riot
Congrats your faith uses the name Jesus Christ. Satan also knows his name.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 8:58pm@MUTINY –
As you know, I don‘t like bashing other’s beliefs, but since you are the one who made an attempt at referencing this scripture – it cannot be ignored.
In case you didn’t know, your referenced teaching comes from James, chapter 2. Please read it because you my friend have been deceived by a different gospel than the one taught in the Bible. You have declared to believe that good works/doing the will of the Father is not necessary for salvation. You have been fooled by that old serpent. What better lie for him to tell than to make people believe that they can sin all they want as long as they claim to accept Christ.
Lesson 1:
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
continued
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:12pm@MUTINY – continued:
Thus, you have declared that your faith in Christ is enough and your evil works will not matter. Please don’t fall for such foolishness.
Look at verse 24 – that is one of the keys. Yes, we are ONLY saved by the grace of Christ and by no other name in Heaven… BUT… by faith AND works is a man “justified” – i.e. it take both faith AND works to qualify for the grace of Christ. See also:
I will not justify the wicked, Ex. 23:7
I know that I shall be justified, Job 13:18
In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, Isa. 45:25
For by thy awords thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt. 12:37
doers of the law shall be justified, Rom. 2:13
being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved, Rom. 5:9
But you might say, “but wait – I’ve accepted Christ as my personal savior!” Well, let‘s see if Christ says that’s enough…
“¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21.
But he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Thus, I seriously hope you take the time to repent of your sins and doeth them no more… because your works AND your faith will either qualify or disqualify you from the Grace of Christ.
BTW – go and sin no more (John 8:11) (i.e. you don’t get a free “sin in the future” pass)…
Good luck brother!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:27pmAs a Christian I believe the only way to Heaven is to believe Jesus Christ of the Bible died for my sins.
Report Post »Because of my faith I want to do good works for him and in his name. I dont do them to gain something(exaltation or a higher degree of Heaven). I do them for him, not me.
P8riot
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 9:35pm@MUTINY –
That’s nice, but which of us is using the Bible and which of us is using opinion? Please just pray about it.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:50pmIf Mormons were Christians, they’d call themselves Christians rather than mormons. It wasn‘t until a broughaha in the 60’s that mormons began their mantra of ‘Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints’. Having read the ‘book of mormon’. I see absolutely nothing within its pages that could poosibly convince me that these people are Christians. Regardless how much I respect Glenn Beck, I will have no respect for the mormon cult.
Report Post »SpiderPig
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:42am@Wolf
The LDS Church has been using the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” since the 1830′s, shortly after it was founded. Will you admit that you were wrong in your statement above that it was the 1960′s? The term “Mormon” is a nickname. Nothing else.
I myself read the Book of Mormon and the Bible a number of times. However, just reading them will not reveal the truths. Nor will asking someone of another faith what they think. It wasn’t until I studied both books and spent a lot of time on my knees asking for guidance from God, did I find it.
Don’t you think the argument on if the followers of the LDS faith are Christians or not is very childish?
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:34am@WOLF
I’m sorry, but as SPIDERPIG pointed out so well, your statement is completely incorrect. The nickname “Mormon” was actually used contemptuously by those who sought to demean us. We’ve always requested to be referred to as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
As for your averment that nothing in the Book of Mormon implies we are Christian – I would suggest reading it again. Here is just ONE example that I cited above (in the first thread) of a passage referring to our devotion to Christ.
2 Nephi 25:26 -
26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
Further, as the introduction page of the Book of Mormon states regarding its content:
“The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.”
Finally, Jesus Christ if referred to thousands of times in the Book of Mormon. I strongly suggest reading it again, but this time do it prayerfully with a contrite heart and with real intent.
Report Post »blackstone22
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:34pmGreat just what we need, some idiot making it all about himself and not caring about the direction Obama is taking this country.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:46pmI don’t think that is what this guy is doing. I think he has legitimate objections to the hole in our political process. Romney is not the ideal candidate but then again, who is? Deace is voicing his opinions and if you disagree with his opinions this gives you an opportunity to use your intelligence and power of persuasion to change his mind. Mockery, insult and accusations aren‘t a substantial form of retort and will change nobody’s opinions.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:50pmThe direction Obama is going is the same direction Romney has stated he would take us. Both of them, we end in bankruptcy.
Wolf
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:09pm“…Great just what we need, some idiot making it all about himself and not caring about the direction Obama is taking this country…”
Report Post »Since Oturd and Romneycare are all about themselves, we don’t need either in the White House, either. Neither man is pro-Constitution, pro-life, or pro-America. And as Deace says, “Show me you can live beyond my expectations.” Neither of these comes even close to reaching the bottom of my expectation chart, let alone surpassing it.