Thieves Raid Lincoln’s Tomb, Steal Copper Sword
- Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:47pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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After preserving the Union and ending the abomination of slavery only to meet his demise by a cowardly bullet shot to the back of the head, it is more than expected that our 16th President be allowed to rest in peace. Unfortunately, thieves appear to believe otherwise, as the 3-foot long copper sword attached to a bronze statue of a civil war artillery officer over President Abraham Lincoln’s tomb in Springfield has gone missing.
The Springfield State Journal-Register reports that an employee noticed that the sword was cut from the statue last week. Dave Blanchette, a spokesman for the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency, told the Journal-Register that the theft is believed to have been the first to state property at the Lincoln Tomb State Historic Site since 1890:
“‘We just cannot imagine why someone would even think about doing it, let alone climb up the steps and actually do it,’ Blanchette said.
Site officials plan to repair the statue, he said.”
Other than the theft, no significant damage was done to the rest of the statue. CBS St. Louis notes that the same sword was stolen in 1890. While officials noticed the sword missing last week, CBS reports that officials think the sword was stolen sometime between September and early November. The statue is on the tomb’s balcony which is closed to visitors, leading staff to believe that the the thief must have come at night when there were no guards.
CBS reports that a security guard had been posted overnight after a 1987 incident in which racist graffiti was spray-painted on the tomb, but budget cuts ended that position within a few years of the incident. Five teenagers were arrested for the graffiti. Blanchette told the Journal-Register that the tomb suffers an incident of vandalism about once every decade.
CBS writes that the tomb was dedicated in 1874 and is the final resting place of Abraham Lincoln, his wife Mary, and three of their four sons. Lincoln’s body is placed in a specially designed steel and concrete vault beneath the floor of the burial chamber, according to the Historic Sites Commission of Springfield, Illinois.
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Cemetery
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:17pmI live just a couple blocks away from the cemetery in which Lincoln’s tomb is located there was a time some years ago where people spray painted swastikas and K.K.K. signs all over the tomb. Sad this town is pretty crap.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:24pmNo surprise …..!
Report Post »walkyrie
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:20amselling Copper for dope money – typical
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:57amBRAINM is correct… Never, Ever… tell your enemy your plans :)
Report Post »KLB1955
Posted on November 18, 2011 at 11:55amWalkerye It is a shame people like you blame dope on everything it could be to feed a family it could be some kind of statement It could be that high school or middle aged men like yourself did it to pin it on dopers and get that copper melted down for your beer or booze money. I am saying stop trying to blame others for the worlds problems
Report Post »Unix
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:01pmThat is really bad, deparate times make people do desparate things, sad really. After Washington, IMHO, Ol’ Abe Linclon was the next best president of our fine REPUPLIC. I hope the thieves end up falling on it.
Report Post »cannon12pdr
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:19pmI see no exclusions in the Constitution for a president to:
Report Post »1.Suspend habis corpus
2. Arrest and jail members of the 5th estate who disagreed with the president for the duration of a conflict.
3.Make war on a people who voted to leave the union by means validated in the Declaration of Indepence and the Constitution.
4. Confiscate private property on a massive scale.
5. Endorse the war made by him on old men, women and children (Non combatants).
Just to name a few that this FINE PRESIDENT did while in office. Sounds like Obama doesn’t it.
Unix
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:46pmWell now, you raise some good and forgotten (by me) points, Abe slides a few notches. But as a victor, he did try to keep civility, let Rebs keep their guns. Ya, the whole war was a mistake!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:44pm@cannon,
Report Post »What happened, did Lincoln force your family to free your property. Just another angry confederate who needs to remember the manners that Sherman taught the South.
skypilot77
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:10amIt would have taken a constitutional convention for the states to leave the union — legally. Not a state, on their own, voting to leave.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:53amMakes you wonder what a paradise America and the world would be if not one black slave had ever been brought to our shores.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:25amVannon12pdr . . . You forgot one . . . he formed a secret government and traded arms for hostages and lied through his teeth to the American people about doing it.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:31amWow, I guess Lincoln did do terrible things . . . typical Republican.
Report Post »mikee1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:49pmThis country has remained in a civil war more or less since the Civil War. But like in the days of Lincoln, who I do not think was such a great prez., this country is on the brink of really large-scale rebellion. A good prez. in 1861 would have found a way to AVOID THE WORST WAR IN American history. Lincoln did not. He encouraged it because he thought the North would win quickly and easily. WRONG.
Report Post »1casawizard
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:46amAfter the burning of Atlanta, Sherman was given free will (to do as he wanted, as they were celebrating) to the rest of the Confederacy. He raped, robbed, terrorized civilians to Savannah then went north along the coast then west northwesterly through South Carolina then North Carolina where my folks are from. My folks’ recollections are that the neighbors buried valuables and food. Killed hogs and cattle, burned fields so the 100,000 union troops couldn’t seize it. But Shermans’ army had three waves of offense from what I was told when I was young, I’m 58. at the time I was 4-6 y.o. The troops would come in nicely dressed and ask if we would help them. It didn’t matter what you said. Then a few days later a second round of union troops would ride up and not be so nice. They would bust in and take what they wanted. The third wave was called (by Sherman,“The Angels of Death”). would come into towns and farms killing, robbing, raping, doing anything to survive.
Report Post »Tickdog
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:37amI couldn’t agree more!! well said!
Report Post »joleary
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:45amNothing like a Monday morning quarterback 150 years later.
Report Post »Susan09
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:27pmToday’s war is near to be the last war fought because of A very long ago Birth of two brothers one jealous of the other, so the OLDER one Murdered the Younger one, Proving That to this day jealousy, hatred, Caused one brother to murder his only brother Being the Only two Children Born to the only man and woman haveing been created given life and being for each other. TODAY.. The Jealousy, hatred between TWO BROTHERS Continue. and THE third SON SETH was Supposed to have REPLACED the MURDERED SON .. How many actually understand that THE HEAVENLY FATHER is Still ON HIS THRONE In HIS HIGHEST HEAVEN? EVEN HIGHER then THE Space Station With How many PEOPLE HE created EARTH FOR… How many satilights have landed or burned up falling from their spot in space in the past few weeks???? it has already been proven long stays in space affect the bodies of men and woman affecting bones and many other things. WE were never meant FOR SPACE .. THE birds are eve smart enough to know not to fly paste earth atmosphere.. MAKING THESE smarter then MANKIND ME BELIEVES..
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:39pmJust a little side note for anyone interested…
More has been published about the American Civil War than any other era in US history. But for all that has been written about the war, it’s astonishing at how little we seem to really understand it, especially the reasons for Confederate defeat.
Yes, the North had more Industry, more people… probably a 2 to 1 advantage, but included in this number are Whites and Blacks from the slave states comprising about 1/4 the total Northern Army.
The main reason why the South lost the war is too much cotton! The south was exporting millions of bales by land and sea. One of the great ironies of the war was that the industrial North fed its soldiers fairly well, whereas the agricultural South did not. Planters just grew too much cotton!
Another major problem was the desertion rate of the Confederate Army, and it was about double that of the North. Most Southern soldiers left at the call of their women back home, who were in such dire straits that they rioted in nearly every major Southern city and many smaller ones. They also wrote letters to their men encouraging them to desert.
In a very real sense, one can say that it was Southerners who defeated the Confederacy, with, of course, a bit of help from their lack of foresight, obsessiveness with the cotton business (and not people), caterwauling women… and yes, us Yankees.’
Oh SNAP! Lmao!
Report Post »Unix
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:04pmNo ya’ll won because we made a huge blunder at Gettysburg. The Confederate Army just had too many superior Generals. If the Rebels had of taken that high ground, it would have been over. But that is not the way it ended up, nope the War of Northern Aggression, States Rights AND Slavery was won by the Union, and Abe held us all together. God Bless him.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:24pm“Before the war, in speaking about our country, we said “The United States are” – plural. We saw ourselves as a union, a stitched-together collection of states, a “many” thing. After the war we then began to talk about America as a “one” thing, as a nation. And we began to say something that is still to this day ungrammatical; we say “The United States is…”
“… The war defined us. It made us who we are, for good and for ill. Everything that came before led up to it, and … everything since has been in some ways, however faint, a consequence of it … paradoxically, it’s the moment where we try to rip ourselves in two that we come to terms with the greatest sense of unity that we’ve ever had.”
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:38pmThe main reason the south lost the war was the employment of “total war” by the North. Particularly Abe Lincoln in the strain exemplified by Sheridan and Sherman. War waged explicitly against the civilian population to break the will of the southern people.
Proven by your post. Its true, the women did beg for the men to desert and come home to protect them from the rapists, thieves, and wanton destructors in Blue. Holomodor was exacted with Lenin-type efficiency. Leaving not only the whites, but also the blacks to starve to death in the wake of yankee righteousness.
You should be right proud of yourself, as this type of warfare had been outlawed by international agreement since ending the dark ages. Napoleon himself did not attack defenseless civilians, but Lincoln and his mercenary socialist hordes found no qualms in doing so. Blenker’ed was the term used to describe the experiance, coined after the constant rape and pillage of of civillians by General Louis Blenker. Do some research on Blenker, who his friends were, and what side of the revolutionary equation they were on in 1848 Germany. Can you find any such equivalent person in the southern military?
I will admit, it was an effective strategy. Hardly so noble, but effective. Who had more honor, the deserters going home to protect their families or the persecutors of their families? Tough question, easy answer.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:39pm>URL. Dude… you’ve been reading too much Alan Stang and hanging out at LewRockwell.[con] (correctly written as “con” as in con- job) just a leetle too much, lol.
Report Post »dnewton
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:24pmThey grew the cotton to get money to buy British arms.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:27amEnichs . . . It was god’s plan for the South to lose. That’s obvious.
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:37amYepImaConservative,
I haven‘t read as much at Lew Rockwell as you’d hope. I have read quite alot at marxists . org. To any honest, critical reader who is well informed of the current state of affairs and the global socialist movement aflame in our own time, the historical evidence of the situation should be conclusive evidence in and of itself. To be quite honest, I did not so fully believe Lincoln’s treachery nor southern claims until correlating the past with the present. I resisted my current point of view for much longer than I’ve embraced it.
Once I embraced it and allowed myself to follow unmitigated truth, I found freedom. I also found a terrifying foreboding of what is to come. Our national history did not occur in a vacuum, world events shaped it in much the same fashion its being shaped now. Since “The Blaze” limits my words, I’ll summarize from past to present into the future:
European socialist revolutions in 1848-51 = Arab Spring and associated growing European unrest.
War Between the States = a new, real Civil War in America and global war.
Union Preserved / Reconstruction = One World Governance under Marxist control
The key to all this happening is the Lincoln mythology. Whether one understands their role in it or not, it is the uber-nationalist mindset that the marxists rely on to carry their agenda forward. Placing and ever-expanding number of people under an ever-shrinking amount of central governing bodies
Report Post »BuggiOlleo
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:47amand too many IRISH, Ship fulls of starving Irish would do anything for a plate of food..including, citizenship!!! Sound familiar!? The foreign hordes usurped our shores to kill all who had been here before..Shermans’ army had how many Irish? Make you wonder don’t it..The South could not keep up due to its best fighting force deserting to starving dogs from Europe-criminals and carpetbaggers exploiting opportunity at home.The South lost manpower, food, and most importantly MORAL! We are now one country STILL being affected by Desperate Europeans using our good nature to exploit their own terrible ideology..America needs to be what it does best..Say NO to the West and Lead our own people by example..Let Europe’s (EU) catch up when it can..Europe’s Leaders have been exploiting their own people for a Leaders wealth and welfare; hence, leaving the very people who dig in the dirt to clean up their poop..I am an American–who– for one, will not be cleaning up Europe’s poo every Again..Not at their financial decay and collapse..T’is Alexander Hamiltons Vision– a strong Aristocracy to rule..No wonder our Fathers tried to buck; question is why did they loose..I know speaking of Hamilton may be speculation, but States were suppose to rule, the Fed– protect and serve– The Fed is actively trying to usurp States Rights for FAIRNESS;this is ad nausea..I literally have need of a Tutor to teach Freedom to my young children boot licking to recycling — as if Robots..Pfft!! Yep I Re
Report Post »Susan09
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 7:57pmNever forget Lincoln was From the South Born In a Log Cabin in the Hills of Kentucky. Where all those wealthy yes wealthy southern Plantation owners owned all those african slaves.. selling and tradeing and trafficing Human beings… HMMMMM I think if you LOOK AROUND THE NEWS TODAY TRAFFICING OF HUMANKIND MANKIND AND WOMAN MAINLY ARE BEING TRAFFICED FOR SEX< AND EVEN CHILDREN SOLD AND TRADED FOR AND TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER FOR SEX AND DRUG TRAFFICING NOT JUST LEFT FOR THE FEMALES EITHER SEEING HOW MANY MEN LOOK FOR YOUNG MEN FOR THEIR SEXUAL PLEASURE.. Have we now come Full circle from SLAVE TRADEING BY WEALTHY SLAVE TRADERS OF THE SOUTH???? THAT THEN HAD MIXED CHILDREN IS it at all Possible that the ONE that FREED THE SLAVES was a Son of one of the Slave traders…. In Kentucky??? ONE REASON why HE WAS ASSASINATED either Because of BEING HATED FOR FREEING THE SLAVES OR because HE was also a Malotto.. YES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY has BEEN KNOWN AS MORE FOR THE RIGHT INSTEAD OF THE WRONGS THAT MANKIND CXAN PERPETRATE ON ANOTHER .. IT really is Called INHUMANITY TO MANKIND.. I have heard it said so often by many . SOME animals take better care of their young then some parents of children. I have seen enough INHUMAN ACTS BY HUMANKIND TO ACTUALLY believe IT TODAY! JUST maybe GOD is VERY CLOSE TO NOT STRIVING WITH HIS CREATION AS HE!!!!!!! has had it written The Last BOOK STILL NAMES JESUS CHRIST 1st verse ALSO ENDING WITH THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. The Loved Desciple JOHN
Report Post »Larryfyne
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:30pmI guess now we taxpayers will be saddled with paying for guards to protect the tomb of this POS. The ONLY president to turn the nations’ guns on their fellow citizens. Too bad someone didn’t beat Booth to the deed.
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:23pmHaving been to this memorial many times on school field trips as a kid, I find it outrageous that the tomb is not protected 24 hours a day! It used to be, but knowing Illinois has squandered money like crazy, it doesn’t surprise me. I grew up about an hour’s drive from Springfield and all the history of that area. This is a disgrace and the sword no longer exists or will be found! Very sad but today people seem to have very little respect for history or the priceless items that made our history so important for our children to learn about our amazing country! Just disgusting!
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:05pmHave you people seen the price of copper these days?
Report Post »BBReggie
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:53pmNo longer any doubt that OWS has moved to Lincoln’s tomb.
Report Post »Amethystmoon
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:50pmThis sounds like a great idea for a movie, actually. Anyone see National Treasure with Nicholas Cage?
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:33pmShouldn’t be a surprise. The liberals have been working for fifty years to destroy our sense of nationalism. The removal of the pledge of allegiance not playing the star spangled banner. Not allowing the display of the flag what do we expect. So now people are shocked. Why isn’t there 24 hour video coverage at the site? If they find the people who did it strip them of their citizenship and deport them.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:29pm@LUKER
Please read this, it should open your mind:
http://www.dailypaul.com/119311/do-states-have-a-right-to-secede
Or I can quote Lincoln:
“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit.”
Again Lincoln:
Report Post »“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”
NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:32pmCount me in
Report Post »unsafe
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:07pmThis is the consequences of the OWS, to them this is part of Social Justification they can take anything that they want. When you keep giving to the beggars, they want more and more and if you stop they just take. And call you evil for not giving them more, we the ppl that work are becoming the sacrificial animals for the beggars.Its time to say NO to being the benficiarys to any other group of ppl that refuse to do for there self.It is time to uphold your convictions , we must not sacrifice to the convictions of others. Why must man live for the sake of others? There is no earthly reason for it and, no reason has ever been given.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:06pmWe are at a crossroads today, the air smells somewhat like 1861 to me.
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:28pmGiven that liberals have done everything they can to destroy our sense of nationalism and pride this shouldn’t be a suprise. We can’t say the pledge of alliagence in schools and everyone has turned their backs on the country. Why isn’t there 24 hour video coverage there?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:51pmPerhaps you falsely assume that it was a liberal person who did this.
Perhaps it was an unpatriotic or unamerican person, not neccessarily a liberal?
Perhaps it was a person who hates the idea of freed slaves?
Don’t be so quick to assign unknown variables to your perceived political enemies.
- a Conservative Libertarian
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:18pmYup take GOD out of everyday life and in slithers the devil and his demons,yet some folks still dont get it uuhhh i give up
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:12pmThis is really low … these people are apparently not aware of/don’t care about karma.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:20pmKarma is a fantasy!
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:04pmKarma is real, God/Jesus is the fantasy.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:09pmLincoln Tomb has been raided soooo many times, I just don‘t understand why there isn’t an alarm system on it, why there are no camera’s on our National Treasures….
We‘ve got camera’s on every damned street light and corner, why not on statues and monuments and why no alarms for crying out loud, its ridiculous.
Report Post »dnewton
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:28pmA good electrician could make it rather dangerous to touch the metal sword.
Report Post »Crakaveli
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:01pmLincoln deserved much worse.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:25pmI‘m sure that Obama will follow Old Abe’s precedent and suspend constitutional rights any day now… Anyone who truly studies the events that led to the civil war and the ensuing injustices would see Lincoln in a much different way. But raiding his tomb, tacky and classless.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:31pmThats for sure. He was helping business against King Cotton. Europe was afraid of King Cotton and offered help to the Yanks, We just got the first shot in.
In the begining it was 500 yanks to ONE Reb and we thought that was an even war, then the yanks sequestered all they could get their hands such as those immigrants coming off ships.
By the end they had 1500 to our One and had they not burned the country we would have made it just fine. I wished we would have burned NY you see what a rat hole it is today. Well get you next time and we will burn you to the ground
BLACKs, stop thinking this was about YOU, it was business and their fear we would raise cotton prices on them. Yes they thought we were like they were but we were and are gentlemen
Report Post »The book with best history is the Indiana State History book last published in 1898, I think the 1st was around 1868.
Ookspay
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:49pm@ Noroomasocialism, Dead on my friend. One of the biggest “cleansing” and re-writing of history ever. I guess it is true that the victors write the history.
The North committed horrible atrocities throughout the war, killed women and children, plundered, very dishonarable conduct (not all of course). Southern soldiers fought valiantly and with dignity. Robert E. Lee was 10 times the man that US grant ever was…Don’t even get me started…
Report Post »PissOnLiberals
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:42pmI just saw a special on the History Channel about Lincoln’s Tomb. Thieves tryed to steal his body a couple of times and it was hidden in the basement of the tomb for a while also. That is why he is now buried in concrete. His body was moved several times before this was done by his son. Intresting piece of history that you were never taught in school.
Report Post »3katmomma
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:31pmNavyvetgreg. The constitution provides for a legal and orderly way of severing the bonds of unionhood. However, when South Carolina seceeded from the Union, they fired on fort Sumpter. That was an act of war. Lincoln responded in the correct way when the United States is attacked.
Report Post »He was correct in trying to (and finally succeding) keep the union together.
Would you really want a country dedicated to keeping a race of people in bondage still in existance on our southern border?
Remeber, Paul said, (I’m not exactly sure of the order) “In Christ there is neither rich nor poor, man nor woman, slave nor free.”
SgtB
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:16pmDo you remember a little quote from old Abe?
If I could end this war without freeing any slaves, I’d do that. If I could end this war by freeing some slaves and not others, I’d do that. And if I could end this war by freeing all the slaves, I’d do that.
Of course this is not a direct quote because I don’t want to take the time to look it up word for word, but that is very nearly his exact words as I remember reading them. Let no one tell you that the civil war was over slavery. If that were true, then all the slave in the north would have been released at the same time those in the south were. The war was over states’ rights and the ability of a state to secede from the union. While slavery is deplorable and I in no way condone it as a human, Libertarian, or Marine, it was not the reason for the war, and there is no reason to keep a state that wishes to relenquish its ties to the united states from doing so. If there were, we wouldn’t have independant Indian nations dotting this country from coast to coast or Amish settlements where no one pays taxes.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:36pmNo it was not, we had OUR constitutional right as we do right now so look out YANKEE
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:56pmWhen, in 1861, South Carolina reasserted that it was a sovereign state, it was on firmer ground than Thomas Jefferson had been in 1776 when he drafted the Declaration of Independence proclaming that the colonies were sovereign states. In fact, they were not; they were British colonies under colonial charters. It was the “crown of Parliament” that was sovereign over the colonies. But the Declaration , the Continental Congress, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution all rested on Jefferson’s asseveration that the colonies were free and independent states, (which is why states, rather than a mass majority vote of all the people in all the states collectively, approved the Constitution). State sovereignty was a cornerstone of America’s political philosophy, and given these precedents, South Carolina’s Declaration of Independence was a much less radical step than he Declaration of Independence.
Lincoln was protecting Northern profits, plain and simple.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:27pmTrolls are interesting things. You push the right (or wrong, doesn’t matter) buttons and they make these funny little noises that somehow get translated into garbled mush and appear on your monitor.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:23pmDo you think maybe it was and “Occupier”???
It just amazes me at the lack of respect some people have.
Please read this about Axlerod and Herman Cain….. it is very interesting..
PLEASE READ…..
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47438
Report Post »Metolious
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:09pmThanks for the link. I saved the article as a reference to use for conversations about government/obama corruption. It also clarifies the Cain allegations with references. Very useful!
Report Post »rayb1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:08pmI really want to respond to VetGreg, but then what is the use
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:18pmAgreed
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:24pmNot much you can say. Trolls are lonely souls. They will even stoop down so low as to impersonate a vet as if that gives them some distinction..or in greggy’s case, to cause more commotion.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:41pmI agree .. why waste your time .. just another hopeless troll
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:06pmCopper=money for their meth habit
I hope they find the sword and thief/thieves and justice is served.
Report Post »TOPOFTHEGAME
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:03pmNVG……..Wait until “”“The One””" has his WAY, not only with YOU but the rest of the WORLD. Lincoln’s U.S.A. administration with look like a picnic
Report Post »NavyVetGreg
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:56pmLincoln was a dic tator of the worst degree. He killed over 600,000 people to force people to be a part of something they didn’t want to be a part of.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:07pmWhat are you blabbering about? Jared Loughner is that you?!? Mind control…
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:09pmYea, and I just love being told I have to buy health insurance or be fined or put in jail. you think the civil war was bad, wait till Obama gets the Amerika he wants. He doesn’t even treat his own (black or democrat) well. He’ll throw anyone under the bus to save his sorry hide.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:30pmIf you check… Robert E. Lee killed off his own troops at Gettysburg by stupid assults in Division Formations… and US Grant was the Butcher who wiped out the South & Indians! Lincoln did act as a Dictator… sending to troop to occupy New York and Maryland… suspended habius corpus… and used eminate domain to acquire passage for RailWays to support logistics for the military.
Report Post »FreedomWitness
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:35pmATTENTION POLICE, I believe that I have found your prime suspect NAVYVETGREG. A veteran of psychic wars!
YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:40pmI have mixed feelings on the man. A lot of people follow him like a cult but fail to see he suspended habeas corpus, backed shermans killing of civilians (scorched earth policy), etc, etc, etc.
Report Post »I find him fascinating and personally believe before he was assassinated he truly found God and saw the error of his ways.
beaubird
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:00pmgo jump Greg!!!!!!! You do not know what yu are talking bout maybe yu should read a little more !!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »spfoam1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:12pmYou are known as a dreg. A dreg is the least valuable part of anything. You are FREE to leave this country any time you want, and I will pay for your one way ticket out of here. What navy do you claim to have served in, the Iranian navy?
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:48pmNavyVetGreg may know alot more factual information about Lincoln that the rest of you sheep.
It certainly wasn’t the Confederacy who actively employed socialist revolutionaries in thier government nor military. People like Carl Shurz and August Willich. Home grown socialists like Charles A. Dana. Lincoln was awash in socialists to such a degree that Obama would look like a Neo-Con in comparison.
But, you haven’t been taught that – you’ve been taught to worship Lincoln – for the exact reasons our country is on the verge of Marx’s dream coming to full fruition. Its a sobering excercise to trace the fulfillment of the Communist Manifesto, and how many of those planks were installed by Lincoln and his immediate successors. The south knew exactly what and who it was fighting against.
When was the Lincoln memorial built? Who built it? When was this tomb built? Who built it? One answer, Socialist Progressives during the early progressive era of the late 19th Century.
Read some Karl Marx commentary on Lincoln and the war, written in europe at the time. Better yet, read the actual exchanges between Lincoln and Marx.
If most of you blind Lincolnite idiots don’t wake up, you’ll probably live to see the new Lincoln, Barak Obama, completely destroy our nation by the same means. If you Lincolnites had enough historical integrity about you to be objective, you’d see that history is perfectly repeating itself. Where’s the slavery now?
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:49pmThats correct Navy, those on here have strange alliances and dont have the ability to decern what is right or wrong. They just go by the PC playbook
Report Post »NavyVetGreg
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:53pmLincoln was a blood thirsty dictator. The US WAS a voluntary union of states. Key word, Voluntary. I’m not free if forced to stay at the point of a gun.
Report Post »Uechi
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:11pmNavy AH you are without a doubt the dumbest defective to ever post on the Blaze. It is obvious that you know ansolutely zero about the Civil War or history. The freeing of the Slaves and the preservation of the Union, ever herad of it dimwit.. I‘d tell you to get your genetically defective head out of your rear but you wouldn’t have clue. You can post all the Marxist BS you want, the facts are to the facts. If you ever learn how to read and think for yourself you will see that Lincoln had one of the most difficult jobs in a most difficult time in history and proved to be one of the greatest presidents we ever had. As for you, you can kiss my butt you moron.
I hope the pieces of filth that violated a grave to steal get their just desserts if not in this life in the next. They can meet up with Navyvet Greggie and his loony tune troop. What Navy where you in Greggy the Russian or Chinese? You are a disgrace to the uniform and the country JO.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:20pmUnder the Articles of Confederation… before the Constitution… States had volunteered to be Peer… but after the establishment of a Federal Government, States were subject to Federal Law & Administration, loosing any right to succession! States must Vote to join the Union… but there is no mechanism to UnJoin. Sorry!
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:42pmAmen Abe was only a 6th grader with a drunk in charge of the military and an immoral blood psyco Sherman. We need to return the favor and sooner than later. I repeat is was not about blacks it is as is today MONEY-PROFITS
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:44pmGo NAVY! You are correct and we should be close to acting on OUR RIGHTS as provided on the Constitution
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:52pm@ LukerW
Ever read a piece of paper called the Declaration of Independance? Read it.
@ Uechi,
Did you know that the civil war was not fought over slavery? It was fought over taxes. The role of slavery was of little consequence due to the fact that the Congress had done nothing for a half century to stop the slave trade from shipping slaves from Africa to the US, which would have been their right and responsibility. The real reason for the war was the federal gov’t and its tariffs and taxes on goods shipped to and from the south. The south not having large scale manufacturing and having the only ports on the east coast that did not freeze over in winter meant heavy taxes on the southern states.
Report Post »NavyVetGreg
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:05pmIf a single, or multiple states decided they wanted to peacefully secede from US rule, how many people are you willing to kill to prevent them from having that freedom of self rule?
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:15pmUECHI,
You are the uninformed idiot in this conversation. A marxist is as a marxist does, so lets examine the language of both Marx and Lincoln.
Marx: quote to Lincoln upon re-election.
“…Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world”
Lincoln to Marx in reply:
“…maintaining insurgence as the cause of human nature, and they derive new encouragements to persevere from the testimony of the workingmen of Europe that the national attitude is favored with their enlightened approval and earnest sympathies.”
“Workingmen of Europe” were the first organized Communist organization (International Working Men’s Association) allowed to exist following the socialist revolutions of europe in 1848. Lincoln obviously thinks this perspective is “enlightened” and derives his “new encouragements” from these people. You might as well be listening to the love-fest between Trumka and Obama, which would be the modern equivalent in every respect imaginable.
NavyVet is obviously more informed than yourself. I’d encourage you to read history not written by actual socialists. Pick your favorite Lincolnite author, then research their backround – you’d be surprized.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:30pm@SGTB
Report Post »The Declaration of Independence, issued the Peer representitive of the Colonies, defined no relationship between the Colonies nor any Government Structure. Later, the Continental Congress represented the Peer States in Military matters, only. Then, the Articles of Confederation created a Continental Colonial Government… which was replaced by the Consitution, a Federal Government, and the First President.