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This New Self-Guided Bullet Is Nailing Targets Over A Mile Away

Editor’s note: This article by Robert Johnson originally appeared on Business Insider.
Sandia National Laboratory Creates Self Guided Bullet

The possibilities for failure in long-range shooting are as immense as they are mind-numbing. Pitch, yaw, air density, heat, cold, the curve of the earth, and the planet’s rotation on its axis all conspire make shots at half-a-mile miss, on average, by about 30 feet.

Sandia Labs looks like they’ve changed all that with their new self-guided round, which sheds enough convention that it resembles a small missile more than a traditional bullet (via Katie Drummond at Danger Room).

Four-inches long, laser-guided, while sporting fins and a forward center of gravity, Sandia’s bullet has an optical sensor in the nose that guides it to the target, while an eight-bit processor running a proprietary algorithm steers the round as it flies. Sandia expects the new technology to be developed quickly and inexpensively.

Because of the bullet’s diminutive size compared to, say, a full-scale missile, the same flight corrections can be performed dozens of times per second in its Mach 2.1 flight. Sandia’s engineers expect to raise that speed to military requirements using customized gunpowder.

Sandia National Laboratory Creates Self Guided Bullet

A small light attached to the round charts its path during a nighttime field test at Sandia Labs. (Photo: Sandia Labs)

The following video shows the bullet leaving the barrel of a rifle. The round pitches (wobbles up and down) a lot after firing, but calms the farther it flies—an effect called “going to sleep” by experts. This phenomenon allows the round to achieve greater accuracy the farther it flies; a result that surprised everyone involved.

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  • OLDARTFAY
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:17pm

    This will make it easier to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots, because only the tyrants can afford this ammo (using the patriots’ tax money).! I am just thrilled to think that we maybe at the cusp of societal collapse, and the government is developing such wonderful stuff with which to kill us.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:32pm

      Oh, how I feel the same. Here I am with a lever-action .45-70, and they’ve got this…

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    • rocketwrangler
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Perfect! Now I can go wolf hunting and thin the pack a bit.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:58pm

      Just like in the movie runaway

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    • Lotus503
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:34pm

      Kind of reminds me of the old GyroJet pistols that were used by the Special Forces in Vietnam…except this one works…

      Gyro Rocket Pistol “GyroJet”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpOcdyxvUvc

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    • oldoldtimer
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:37pm

      We are developing laser absorbing materials to protect US troops for when the enemies get this technology. I bet Chia already knows as much as we do. Mirrored surfaces deflect lasers and deflect this weapon.

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    • OutOfTheAether
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:52pm

      SMITHCLAR3NC3

      I was thinking the same thing!!

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    • mils
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:15pm

      just something else for the chinese to steal/be given?..from us to use against us

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    • byehlik
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:21pm

      This, Changes Everything! Impressive, cheap and commercially available? Not yet maybe, but this is a game changer.

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    • Plumber1911
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:32pm

      RagingJudge I was just yesterday admiring a 45 70 cartridge the civil war mini artillery it is a thing of beauty reach out and touch someone.

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    • jonnyfontain
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:37pm

      Thats ok, we patriots will ambush them and steal all of their equipment as soon as they try to take our guns. LIBERTY OR DEATH!!! We will face off against the tyranny once more, and this time there will be no quarter given to the enemy, we will kill them all to show the world that This Land is FREE!

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    • Joey8
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:06pm

      You old goofballs talking about battling it out with our military? LOL! Is that what you dream about when you clean your rifles? Just worry about your food storage.

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    • hallkbrdz
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:09pm

      Useless against anyone who knows what source it tracks and is prepared. Replace the pinpoint of light it tracks with brighter targets – and you can make it hit what you want – not what they want.

      Ooopps… :-)

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    • ellietoo
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Just maybe they will save the lives of some “patriots” that sit on their a-s and type crap about those who go out to protect their country. War is hell but it kept Hitler out of the UK and the US.

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    • Roy Baty
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:37pm

      You are assuming the folks firing this round will side with a socialist government intent on destroying freedom loving people?

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    • goofwrench
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:58pm

      nice, long before they come in range I am in their range, even behind cover…

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    • TwoMinuteMan
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:16pm

      This reminds me of what caesar told his troops when they complained that their enemy had longer swords than they did.

      Stand closer.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:02pm

      Talk about having a bullet with your name on it…

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    • Uranium Wedge
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 11:07pm

      Why not use Chris Kyle instead?…
      It’s cheaper.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 11:49pm

      @ The-Monk

      Talk about having a bullet with your name on it…
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      I can think of a few names ~evil grin ~

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    • M 4 Colt
      Posted on February 1, 2012 at 1:09am

      Joey8 they are not dreaming about do war with our military, none of us want to fight our own military but if the time comes and we must act to save the republic then it’s good to know that there are man ready willing and able to do just that.

      Now before you start in saying that we don‘t stand a chance against our own military i would like to point out the fact that over in Iraq just a few men with AK47’s were able to do alot of damage and hold up THE BEST ARMY IN THE WORLD, now i know that we can’t win any set piece battles but just like the minuteman against the Red coats we would be able to pick our place and time to fight, do what damage we can and then fade away to fight another day.

      You see it’s next to impossible for a government to win against a guerrilla style war and with a country as large as ours and with the amount of firearms in private hands in this country it would be impossible to prevent a guerrilla war and just like in Vietnam a guerrilla war would slowly bleed this government to death.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:21am

      @Plumber1911 Haha yeah, it is truly a cartridge that commands respect. Will take out anything in North America, and if custom-loaded into a Ruger No. 1 will even take out an elephant!

      I was havin fun with my friend’s Winchester 1886, and decided I had to get a .45-70 levergun for myself. Got a Rossi Rio Grande and she seems pretty great so far, especially for being the cheapest option.

      I’m a fan of any weapon that will truly “reach out and touch someone.” Someday maybe I’ll even own a weapon that has a “group therapy” mode, if you know what I mean :P

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    • reportanddeport
      Posted on February 1, 2012 at 12:00pm

      Only a paranoid, Ron Paul zombie would be afraid of this bullet. This bullet is for Koranimals.

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    • Secret Squirrel
      Posted on February 2, 2012 at 11:19am

      .
      Joey 8:
      “You old goofballs talking about battling it out with our military? ”
      A bunch of Afghan goat hearders seem to be doing pretty well,
      don’t you think?

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  • gaittec
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:02pm

    Anyone know the mechanism that allows the in flight adjustments? Do the fins move?

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Pretty certain the tail drags harder in the direction it needs to go, like opening a car door at 60mph.

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    • sonseeker
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:03pm

      Possibly by moving a small weight within the round.

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    • Saving_the_Republic.com
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:35pm

      This new ammo IMO is based off the weapon/ammo in the movie “Runaway” Gene Simmons character had a gun that fired guided bullets! http://youtu.be/cNEGa5i6r7s?t=1m30s they were heat seeking according to IMFDB. Surely someone at Sandia once upon a time saw this. We know sci-fi is the inspiration for many of the things we now have today… Star Trek Communicator and PADD are our cell phones and iPads!!

      Scroll down midway http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Runaway what was once science fiction is now reality!!!

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  • lel2007
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:57pm

    Where’s the LASER ? Being held on target by the shooter I presume.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:43pm

      It would have to be laser designated by a spotter with a special scope. You couldn’t expect a shooter to regain proper sight picture and alignment in the 2-4 seconds that it takes for the shot to travel over a mile. It just wouldn’t be feasible.

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    • BlackCrow
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:08pm

      The spotter. Snipers always work in two man teams, shooter and spotter. Would most likely use the same gear they use now by ground FAC’s (Froward Air Controllers) to guide LGB’s (Laser Guided Bombs).

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    • RightThinking1
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:01pm

      Good question. Presumably, there doesn‘t have to be a ’shooter’ in the usual sense. Spotter sets up the ‘gun’, moves to spotting scope/laser, illuminates target, then by electrical or mechanical means fires guided ‘bullet’. The shooter become superfluous, it would seem.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:24pm

      Have any of you “wow!” guys ever think that maybe, just maybe this is propaganda by the govt to instill fear in patriots to make them hesitant to take back their country from the criminals?. Anybody ever think of that? Toss a couple of doctored up images around and you guys will believe anything. All patriots should make it a point to acquire targets well in advance-infrastructure, personel, communications, cameras, fuel depots etc. Anything to take their “eyes and ears” away. When the SHTF you can strike much faster and have greater effect.

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  • lel2007
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:54pm

    Wake me up when the 45 ACP version is available.

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  • scuba13
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:43pm

    Does this mean that those brave Muslims won’t be able to use women and children as human shields anymore?

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    • Icnivad
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:42pm

      Remember that scene in Iron Man, when he (Iron Man, duh) targets all the terrorists and pops em’ all without touching any civilians? This is (sorta) like that, except it’s like Iron Man Weaponry update version Negative Ten…

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    • Spirit 72
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:42pm

      Now if our troops resist killing a terrorist mop-head, do they get a “Courageous Restraint” medal with an oak cluster?

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:51pm

      ICNIVAD, Sounds like the pistol Robocop had too.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:40pm

    It‘ll be so much easier for the government to ’protect’ us lol,I think not, the feds have a trifecta with the patriot act NDAA and now the self guided bullet.Patriots beware big brother’s getting his ducks in a row.

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    • NoNannyState4me
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:21pm

      Yup. Muslims are nothing to be afraid of compared to what we should fear from our own government.

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    • lionslayer44
      Posted on February 1, 2012 at 4:23pm

      the current admin. declared war against the state of Az. so PROGRESSIVE SLAYER, we are prepared. BE PREPARED COLLECT FOOD, WATER (FILTERS), AMMO!!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

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    • amdoktor
      Posted on February 1, 2012 at 5:03pm

      You can imagine whats in store for us. In Iraq and for the last 10 years in Afghanistan we have been dropping DU ordinance that causing birth defects and extreme levels of radiation poisoning of all of the
      non Taliban factors. Remember gulf war syndrome? The fact of the matter is, it was radiation poisoning. I can’t think of a reason why the middle east hates us ? Can you ? Our Government is pure evil since Bush Sr. We are rendering the land unfit for habitation for thousands of years. This is madness. Fact check links below.
      God bless us all

      http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DU/ICTforAatT.html#s13
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uqOMZD8KQ

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  • RightThinking1
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:36pm

    Technological developments come quickly, of course, but let’s consider some numbers. “Mach 2.1″ is an odd way to characterize bullet velocity (if we can call this a ‘bullet’). Generally that is only important in consideration of the round remaining transonic to target, i.e., it arrives before the sound does. Always a good thing. At any rate, Mach 2.1 equates to about 2400 f.p.s, which is on the low side for velocity of a medium to large bore rifle cartridge. Using that number, a 2400 foot shot would take (ignoring falling velocity) 1 second to target. According to the above, the smartslug (you heard it here first, I should trademark the name) will have the opportunity to make “dozens” of flight corrections. I’m doubtful about the response time of the system, but they seem to be working at it. As others have pointed out above (or below), it obviously requires a while to get its flight under control. The “laser guided” part suggests that the shooter (launcher?) must maintain a laser spot on the target. Hard to know how that is any easier than maintaining a conventional sight on target. I suppose it isn’t, and that the advantage (as is suggested in the article) is in compensation for the uncontrollable stuff. Nonetheless, the shooter will have to hold a spot steady on the target.

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    • Rowgue
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:20pm

      Compensating for the uncontrollable stuff is what makes long distance shots difficult. It’s easy to sight a target in your crosshairs. With conventional shooting, the farther a shot is the more difficult it becomes to correctly compensate for drop, wind speed and direction, temperature, humidty and everything else that factor into where a bullet is going to go after it’s fired. With this none of that matters, because it will correct it’s course constantly to stay on target.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:37pm

      Yeah, I’d expect this to be a largely sniper/SDM-only round. Would be largely useless at close-medium range, but make a .338 Lapua out of it? Now that could be pretty devastating.

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    • SANE_I think
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:33pm

      RightThinking1
      I think the laser would be a seperate operation? How could you keep sighted and on target after firing such a large round?

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  • freelancer91
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:32pm

    In case ammunition wasn’t expensive enough……..

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  • garylee123
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:27pm

    I guess the adage that a bullet has your name on it is true.

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  • DD313
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:24pm

    Wow, sort of like the “dumb-dumb“ bullets fired from the toon pistol in ”Who framed Roger Rabbit”.

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  • 1SSF
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:15pm

    “THIS” has been around for quite awhile but not yet fielded because (with few exceptions) it simply is not practical or cost effective.

    BTW, a standard high velocity rifle/tank projectile wobbles upon exiting the muzzle. The projectile then stabilizes. What you see in the film is normal.

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    • Buddynoel
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:46pm

      Except in the case of the traditional army .223 (M-16) slug that never stops tumbling, which is what makes it so deadly.

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    • davecoolworld
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:02pm

      BUDDY…bullets don’t “tumble”.

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    • RightThinking1
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:21pm

      Buddy,
      Dave is certainly right. Anything that “tumbles” is going to be very erratic. I can assure you that NO mass produced .223 round (or anything else) is manufactured to tumble, quite the contrary, whether military or sporting, developers strive for absolute stability.

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    • Doin it for da Chilren
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:41pm

      Yeah thats the 7.62 intermediate that yaws after 100 yds, which destroys the median it hits IF it hits. Id rather be facing an AK at 100 yds then a M16/M4/AR15

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    • Buddynoel
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:01pm

      M-16 fires a tumbling bullet. The Army used it because fragmenting bullets are not legal. We could hear the tumble and knew that we were being fired on by our own rifles.

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    • BlackCrow
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:21pm

      @Buddynoel

      You clearly have been reading the wrong books. The 5.56 NATO in the original M-16 would tumble AFTER it hit flesh because it was under stabilized. The original M-16 had a slow twist. 1 in 16 or 1 in 18 (without looking it up.) that would make the bullet “keyhole” on impact The Marine Corps demanded better accuracy for their rifles so the twist rate was increased to 1 in 10 and an easily adjustable rear sight was fitted resulting in the M-16A2 rifle which is the basis of the M-4 issue rifle. And the 5.56 now punches a neat hole unless it encounters something like light body armor before it meets flesh.

      Myself, I’d like to get my hands on one of those slow twist barrels.

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    • Buddynoel
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:07pm

      This was ‘74 and we were being shot at by the A-1s I think. I remember digging the slugs from trees where the bullet went in sideways. I was always told that was by design – sort of the Army’s answer to the rules handed down by the Hague convention outllawing the use of fragmentation rounds. I thought it was funny that there were rules to warfare.

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    • 1SSF
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:41pm

      @BUDDY: If the bullets fired at you from an enemy M-16A1 were keyholing the barrel was either shot out, it was extremely hot or (more likely) the projectile tumbled upon impact with vegetation or other objects prior to, or once, coming to rest. BLACKCROW’s assessment pertaining to twist, etc. is right on the money. No need to repeat it here.

      But granted, the older M-16A1 rifling twist caused the 5.56 bullet to do some crazy stuff and what you heard about the Hague is correct. Indeed, several countries have tried to ban the use of the 5.56. Similarly, the tissue damage caused the medical corps in Nam – namely, surgeons – to rewrite the procedures for the treatment of wounds, lung wounds in particular. It was a bad bitch . . . when the weapon worked.

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  • caexpat
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:14pm

    A magic bullet. I wonder, if there was one in Dallas TX. A few years back?

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  • thewhitecause
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:12pm

    As long as the technology companies keep their lips firmly planted on the backside of the Chinese this looks great. But since the technology that makes it work is all imported it really will be useless in a real war. Everything from the m-16 to F-35 depends on imports. We are the most vulnerable country in the world right now. One embargo and were back to sticks and stones.

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  • daveposh
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:08pm

    Went to the youtube and found link to Sandia that has a picture of the bullet being held between two fingers.
    https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/images/2012/bullet2_sm.jpg

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    • Kinnison
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:01pm

      Good picture Dave, but the original illustration shows that the projectile is enclosed in a discarding sabot like a tank 120mm DU round, which is a subcaliber penetrator surrounded by a sabot that discards after the projectile leaves the muzzle, so the rifle would have to have a much larger bore than the diameter of the projectile shone.

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:08pm

    Feel Safer? Think Harder.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:17pm

      They “thought harder” and have now improved on long distance accuracy. The impact is we can now target a specific enemy and avoid collateral damage. This also has implications for law enforcement snipers. There are many other applications for the future as well.

      You have obviously not “thought harder”. What do you mean by your comment?

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:22pm

      I‘m sure you’re right. Only good people will ever have access to this and it would *never* be used against the civilian population by an oppressive government.

      These are not the droids you’re looking for.
      Move along.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:44pm

      “These are not the droids you’re looking for.
      Move along.”

      I see you are writing from your parents basement.

      Just because a woman is equipped to be a prostitute does not mean she will be one.
      You are using slippery slope logic as a test for your argument. It is foolish to make those claims without support. A better way of communicating your thought would have been in the form of questions:

      -Can we trust our government with this technology? Will it be used against our own citizens?

      Commenting in this fashion will elevate your point. From your statements, one would conclude that you are set in your opinion and are making a statement that is consistent with your view, but provides no value to debate, other than your emotional satisfaction.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:59pm

      Melvin, bite me (Mmmmmmm, emotional satisfaction!)
      I’ve been writing software for three decades. And not from my mom’s basement (ad hominem moron)…

      ‘-Can we trust our government with this technology? Will it be used against our own citizens?”

      Can you provide us with a single example of a deadly technology not “used against our own citizens” outside the obvious nuke example? Slippery indeed. Ten thousand years of recorded human history has taught (most of) us that government, without exception, eventually turns on the governed. The only difference now is that their capabilities are vastly more deadly.

      If you don’t get it yet, you will. And soon, I expect.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:09pm

      “Can you provide us with a single example of a deadly technology not “used against our own citizens” outside the obvious nuke example?”

      -This is too easy: biological and chemical warfare. Pepper spray and tear gas do not count. Here are more: Tanks, artillery, conventional missiles, etc..

      If this is your idea of logic, your competency as a programmer comes into question.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:15pm

      Sorry for the ad hominem. It was uncalled for. I thought you were dismissive with your Jedi comment and took it the wrong way, but that is not an excuse for me being flippant.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:15pm

      If you‘re really that uninformed then you’re right, we have nothing to discuss…

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    • Michael61
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:23pm

      @Melvin

      Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on citizens. Qaddafi used tanks, planes and rockets on citizens. Assad uses tanks, planes and rockets on citizens.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:25pm

      I am fairly informed. That is why that I try to look deeper beyond the surface issues and apply the test of logic and critical questioning of my own assumptions and the evidence. There are many technologies that are even scarier than this bullet, yet the advantage greatly outweighs the disadvantage. As a combat vet, I can tell you that a bullet of this type actually would save more lives than it took. Hard to believe, but true. If I can take out a crew-served weapon position at great distance with one bullet, then I can end the engagement that much sooner and with less casualties on my team. If an insurgent is using civilian non-combatant human shields, you can imagine the value. My point is to ensure we do not throw the baby out with the bath water.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:29pm

      No sweat Melvin, it’s the internets…

      Spend some time looking for info on programs by the US on Bio warfare “tests” done in the US (under cover of “we must know what could happen”) with live, “harmless” agents. Chemical testing was done as well. Tanks, well, not exactly tanks but the Police have stuff one notch short of it.

      All of that aside, my view is the ten thousand year view; if they haven’t yet, they will. They *always* do. It’s just a question of time and our time is very quickly running out. Nature is the teacher; everything born grows corrupt and dies. Everything. This is why I’m looking past America to what comes next. America has served her purpose and her time is up (look at the people you share this place with!). When they finally do openly turn on us, the technology they have will make our fight nearly impossible.

      This is why I never cheer for new ways to kill or spy. I know who will have it.

      We have met the enemy and he is us.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:32pm

      @Michael61

      I’m referring to the United States. There will always be megalomaniacs in the world. Should we ban handguns in the US because a criminal has used them to murder? The same holds true for WMDs. If we destroyed all of our WMDs, we put our country in serious jeopardy. This would never happen as it is irrational and irresponsible. The result could be that only the most evil would not only have WMDs, but would have no problem using them against us.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:52pm

      “I’m referring to the United States. There will always be megalomaniacs in the world.”

      Sorry, just had to reply, when I read this, swear to G-d, a picture of Obama flashed in my head….

      Maybe I should lighten up…

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    • Starkadder
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:40pm

      Melvin Spittle
      “Will the technology be abused? Maybe. Should we outlaw the technology due to abuse potential? No.
      -We don’t outlaw women because they have the potential to be prostitutes.
      -We don’t outlaw liberals for being a danger to themselves and society, though it may be tempting.

      Slippery slope logic can lead to false conclusions as a standalone test.”

      Two words: Marijuana Prohibition
      We outlaw a plant because it has the potential for abuse.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:52pm

      @Melvin
      Exactly what was that vehicle that was used SOOOO effectively at Waco, looked to be bigger than a Jeep and it had this big “Tube-thingy” on the front?

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:07pm

    .
    Funny I have a 13yr old daughter that can put rounds on a 2‘x3’ silhouette target at a 1000yds. But then she has a good teacher………

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Impressive! Something tells me you’re a decent father :P

      However, now imagine a moving human target at 1900yd (1910yd is considered the max effective range of a .338 Lapua). Suddenly this type of round looks more attractive, no?

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    • BlackCrow
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:32pm

      The range is one thing the real world is something else entirely.

      Panama (Just Cause) and Gulf War (Desert Shield/Storm) Vet who has more than a couple rounds down range.

      What is your daughter using at 1K yards? Most of the rifles I see on that line are not something I would have a kid shooting. The 300 Win Mag that I use on 1000 yard matches would probably put any 13 year old off shooting for good.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:50pm

      .
      TacOps Tango 51

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    • PeteHDO
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:18pm

      Dadgum melvin I ain‘t real smart like youse people but I member janet reno and buba clinton usin tanks and APC’s on Americans. Huh in waco huh I sawed it on tv.

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  • Gary Fishaholic
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:01pm

    All I can say is WOW!!! Very impressive!

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:01pm

    Heck with this new bullet, drones and the NDAA we can be sure Obama can get rid of any enemy now…Especially the true Patriot!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:09pm

      A liberal “wet dream” where any Student or Professor can fight a Soldier, without any skill!

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:23pm

      Will the technology be abused? Maybe. Should we outlaw the technology due to abuse potential? No.
      -We don’t outlaw women because they have the potential to be prostitutes.
      -We don’t outlaw liberals for being a danger to themselves and society, though it may be tempting.

      Slippery slope logic can lead to false conclusions as a standalone test.

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    • Ballot_Box_Revolution
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:52pm

      Slippery slope logic huh?
      Women equipped to be prostitutes…
      You heard that somewhere and thought it sounded cool huh??? (you have used them twice already) come on it’s okay to admit it :D

      I think what people are saying is…“Allow me to equip myself with the tools necessary to protect me and my family from what ever small arms are out there”….not ban it…

      Will I use those weapons in the wrong manner? I don‘t know that’s a slippery slope…. Of course not Most people would not, and DO NOT…. It’s just hard for the law abiding citizen that is not out to harm anyone to arm themselves against those that could care less about the law or the constitution and are out to harm people.

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  • nocomment
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:00pm

    The video was very interesting and informative… WTF?

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:58pm

    Wow. Just WOW!

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  • blackmoefugga
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:57pm

    “Runaway” 1984

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:55pm

    That’s it, give assassins and terrorists new weapons. Now people don’t have to have any skill to shoot a gun, with this.

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  • ThomasUSA
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:54pm

    Wow…. soon bullets will actually have your name on them..

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:10pm

      NDAA has your name on it too and people are too stupid to know it.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:48pm

      Here’s a few names that will be on them,patriot,constitutionalist and liberty lover to name a few.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:48pm

    fascinating..

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  • TXPilot
    Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:47pm

    Hmm….finally, my wife will be able to actually hit the “broad side of a barn”….

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    • Mike N
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:55pm

      Perhaps not, if it’s too close . . . and a second try may be too expensive.

      Still, this is a pretty impressive development.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:57pm

      As a retraction to my previous post, and written under duress, my wife assures me she can not only hit the “broad side of a barn”, but “husband sized” targets at extreme range, when provoked……

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    • nappy
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:12pm

      ah.. but can YOU hit the barn side of a broad?

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:24pm

      @NAPPY…..lol……trust me, when I say, I am way smart enough to know that I’m not going there…..ever…..:D

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    • Mr.Fitnah
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:51pm

      Have her try from the inside.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:57pm

      Too late with the retraction, huh?
      Try this one Hita bull intheass with a scoop shovel.

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