U.S. Map Shows What 2,284 Record-High Temps in June Looks Like
- Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:40am by
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Many areas in the United States experienced a heat wave so extreme in June that it created a storm with hurricane-force winds in the D.C. metro area and even buckled pavement in Wisconsin. June was a month where more than 2,200 record high temperatures were set.
Record high temperatures set in June represented on a map. (Image: National Climate Data Center/NOAA)
The National Climate Data Center has pinpointed all 2,284 of these areas that experienced record-setting temperatures on a map — and when zoomed in to a certain point, it covers nearly the whole of the United States. In addition, 998 record highs were tied.
With 23,283 record high daily temperatures set thus far, 2012 has already surpassed 2011 during the same time period by 71 percent, according to NPR.
(Image: National Climate Data Center/NOAA)
The records broken and tied according to the National Climate Data Center are out of 171,442 possible records.
To the relief of many, the U.S. can expect reprieve this week from the stifling heat that has blanketed much of the country as temperatures begin approaching normal from the Midwest to the East Coast.
National Weather Service Meteorologist Andrew Orrison said Sunday that a cold front will move through the South and the mid-Atlantic bringing thunderstorms and showers.
He said temperatures there will drop to a more normal range: mid- to upper-80s. Residents of the Southeast and Tennessee Valley will experience temperatures in the low 90s — “still fairly warm,” Orrison said, but not as hot as it had been.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(H/T: io9)
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Comments (89)
TheRemedy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:29pmAhhhhh… yet another reason why everyone should take a STATISTICS CLASS!!!! Click on the link in the story, and look through the data. We are talking about 100 years. Also, the number of records that are being included has steadily increased – you are not comparing the same data in 1950 that you are comparing in 1990. look through the data for yourself. Pick your state, start at 1850, and see what’s there.
You won’t be impressed.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:39pmYes, everybody should take a statistics class.
The fact is that the decade of the 80s was the third hottest on record, the 90s was the second hottest and the 00s was the hottest on record. The last 12 months was the hottest year long period on record.
Statistians call that a “trend.” If you like pictures, here’s a nice graph:
Report Post »http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=7
Quagmir
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:19pmwow, .3 degrees in 30 years!!! 1/7th of the hottest records broken by a degree or 2. What have we done. Oh wait…it was predicted to be like 150 degrees or some **** right? rising oceans(as they decline)
I am now a true believer.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:55am@Quag: no serious climatologist in the history of global warming science has ever said that the temp would increase by 150 degrees. The general consensus is 7 to 11 degrees celcius (average global increase). While it may not sound like much, it can have a drastic effect, especially in the northern polar region where temp increases will be greatest.
Report Post »18666929374
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:04pmWeather Headlines for July 9, 1912 look at the linked story and the 5 stories directly below. So was it global warming then or is it just global warming now?
news.google.com/newspapers
Report Post »SenorStrange
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:54pmLook at the data people. Some of these records are one degree higher than the previous record from the 50′s, 60‘s and 70’s when they were predicting global cooling. That means it is no hotter now than it was then. Show me what propaganda looks like, THIS is what propaganda looks like.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:52amYou realize that the whole “global cooling” thing was never widely accepting in the scientific community, right? Just because someone makes a magazine cover doesn’t mean the scientific community endorses it.
Report Post »SenorStrange
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:48pm2,284 records broken? What records? How long have they been held? How long have they been tracked? When was the previous record? This is one of those headlines that is complete BS. News flash folks…it gets hot in the summer. Because you put a thermometer up last week does not establish a new record.
Report Post »TheRemedy
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:45pmI’d rather see the data, than the chart made from the data.
Report Post »fishmagnet
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:44pmIt’s too bad so many conservatives are global warming deniers, they could be blaming Obama, missed opportunity.
Report Post »Get off your butt and join the Marines
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:39pmI guess that the only way you neocon idiots would believe in global warming was if it was predicted 2000 years ago in the bible.. MORONS!!!
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:46pmI thought the environmental whack jobs and green bots say that Noah’s flood was caused global warming? Ha!!
Report Post »yosemitefan
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:33pmI always thought the Marines were looking for a few good men… 4F?
If you ever get out the basement, take a look up in the sky – see that big orange ball – its called the sun. The sun and only the sun causes global warming or cooling – get over it.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:44pmYOSEMITE is the living embodiment of the phrase “science, so easy even a caveman can do it”.
sure, i just made up that saying, but it fits. you sir should be nominated for the Nobel Prize of Simpleton Thinking. yes, i made that one up too but it really should be a category.
Report Post »yosemitefan
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:55pmto Philly cheesehead – all of your CO2 numbers, methane gas numbers etc…do you know that methane gas comes from out of the earth’s crust. Most of it from under our ocean floors…because it’s been frozen under the crust since the last Ice age – it is a natural cycle – now go out to your back yard and pray to a tree stump or rock.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:08pmYOSEMITE – where’s your Climatology degree from?
now i myself do not possess one. i also don’t have a background in mechanics. so when my car breaks down i take it to someone with expertise in that arena. so when the vast majority of Climate Scientists state that their evidence suggests that the Earth is warming i’m inclined to believe them. the alternative is to believe in a Conspiracy Theory where the big bad Scientists are all in on it. so when i look into what these Conspiracy Theorists posit and find that most of what they peddle is either logically questionable or downright refuted by Science, the reasonable side to agree with is with the Scientists.
you can play Scientist at home, but you are no more knowledegeable on the subject than my 11 year old step-daughter. and neither am i, but the Climate Scientists are so if it‘s all the same to you i’ll believe the experts instead of a random, misinformed person on the internet.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:01amBy “environmental wackjobs” you must mean literally every national and international science academy and scientific society, because that’s who endorses global warming theory.
To say that the sun is the only cause of cliamte change is laughable. Is the sun the primary engine driving the earth’s climate? Sure. To deny the various other factors, however, is ignorant.
Report Post »Endyr
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 10:26amSo insults are what you are all about, I get that. Have you ever looked into the effect of the Solar Cycle on global temperatures? Do a little research and you will see that global temps on average rise and fall right with the Solar Cycle…. Who knew! This little factoid is so overlooked it’s almost laughable, if it wasn’t for the hysterical global climate alarmists taking themselves so seriously.
The climate change rubes live in a data vacuum and that is sad. More simply, there is absolutely nothing human beings do to materially contribute to the rise or fall of global temperatures, the contribution we make is so minor it can barely be seen if at all in the data noise (margin of error).
Report Post »Canada_Goose
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:11pmSome recent reviews for Jim Inhofe’s (R – Neanderthal) “The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future”
“Simply brilliant” – Exxon Mobil
Report Post »“The best literary work since Shakespeare” – Shell
“We’ll buy a gazillion books” – The Koch Brothers
“The world’s foremost expert on climate change sure convinced us” – Saudi Arabia
“He’s got our vote for king of the world” – BP
phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:57pmlol, good one!
Report Post »overthecliff
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:58am1,000,000 years ago give or take,the cave men burned to many fossil fuels to keep warm during the ice age. They caused global warming and we have todays climate. Sadly we are doing the same today.
Report Post »benheb
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:56amHere are a couple interactive maps of the June heat: http://www.brendansweather.com One is an temporal animation of the daily heat records being set, the other showing all time record highs.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:03pmI don’t know who “made” these maps, but Montana did not experience record HIGHS in June! Our garden got killed by late frost and we were all praying that the summer growing season would get here. There were no record highs in Montana in June. June was FREEZING. We were all wearing pants.
Report Post »Get off your butt and join the Marines
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:33pmMountain Country girl – You may think so but since your head is so far up your butt you would not know the truth if it hit you in the head. I dont live in Montana but a quick google will reveal that Montana did indeed have record high temps in June. I counted several from one page of a Billings TV news station!
This is how you deniers conduct science, by just believing it is therefore it must be…. IDIOTS!!!
Report Post »US-First
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:55amAll of you are missing the point. You are letting politics dictate your stance. Liberals keep touting that Conservatives deny global warming and so are ignorant. They don’t listen to conservative conceding the fact that the globe is warming. Progressive politicians and media just keep beating the drums of ignorant denial by the right. At the same time the right keeps blaming normal liberals of trying to make money on a false green economy when it is little more then politicians trying to create a new wealth engine that can’t be sustained.
Report Post »Everyone with a brain knows the globe is warming. The data is irrefutable that the globe is warming compared with any data we have previous. My problem is with the explanation given for the globe warming. With the alarmist junk like this map. Progressives would have us believe its the result of man. Correlations are presented showing increasing use of fossil fuels, increasing CO2, increasing temperature and based on that very shaky cause and effect conclusions have been drawn. There are several other variables that need to be included. Solar activity for one and also the fact that pollution by particulates has been so reduced over the past 3 decades that less clouds form leaving more of the earth crust exposed to the sun. After all the little ice age was the result the industrial revolution and increased pollution causing increased cloud cover, was it not? Or is that just a conclusion based on association?
seanscythe
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:11pmThis is just all the conservatives fired up after the past few weeks of Obama’s agenda.
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:19pmI agree with you. The earth goes through cycles – all on its own – usually in tandem with with solar cycles. Is it warming up? – seems to be. But, predictions of solar cycle vs climate say things will be cooler in mid-latitudes during the next solar cycle (due to this cycle’s predicted length). I recall back in the 70′s the concern was that we were heading for a little ice age – man caused , of course. My how things change. Now if the warming trend is due to CO2 in the atmosphere, someone needs to get handle on throttling down all those volcanoes that keep belching all that gas.
Report Post »Missouri Mule
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:33amShow me records for a thousand (1,000) years and we will talk………
Last weeks weather is not a trend. Just history.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:40amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:00am@philly
Report Post »Your own link admits that those reconstructions are little more than educated guesses and that reliable data only exists since the 1850s. Such approximations might tell us about how the average temperatures varied from one year to the next but they would not be able to affirm that temperatures never reached as high as they just did.
OutOfTheAether
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:39pmNotice how the Northwest was COOL during that time :)
Report Post »Canada_Goose
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:05amFrom a June 2nd article in the LA Times…
New record high temperatures in the United States have outpaced new record lows 2 to 1 over the last decade; so far this year, the ratio is more than 9 to 1. As predicted, wet areas of the country are getting wetter. In both wet and dry areas, the heaviest storms are getting heavier. And the intensity of Atlantic storms has increased in recent years.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:23amAs someone who has lived in Florida for the past 30 years, I know you are blowing smoke. The storms there are no more intense this past decade, then they were during the 60s, following the 30 year cycle as weather patterns tend to do. And higher temperatures coinciding with sunspot activity is not a surprise to anyone either, except idiots who thinks it points to a man made cause. The primary cause of heat on this planet is called Sol, our sun.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:33amGlobal warming is a get rich quick scheme by the left. Green is the new Red, save the earth, they worship the creation over the creator . But their real love is money, yes Obama and the left love money and power, and they use Global warming and green energy as a tool , look at all the money Obama wasted on Solar, and wind mills kill eagles , what about save the eagles no lefties protesting that.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:43amOh, and those ratios are according to whom? Could it possibly be the same idiots who had their emails leaked a few years back and were shown to be lying? Yeah, I don‘t think the word of liars and falsifiers are the kind of people who’s word I will put any stock in.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:58am@bravjim
Report Post »You mean the “idiots” who were cleared of any wrongdoing by no less than eight independent review committees? There never was any “climategate” except in the minds of climate change deniers.
Canada_Goose
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:58am@Jim
The ratio data comes from the American Geophysical Union. The ratio is predicted to increase to 20 to 1 by mid-century and 50 to 1 by the end of the century
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL040736.shtml
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:59amfunny how no one here wants to trust the scientists, but they are perfectly willing to trust the fossil fuel industry and what they have to say about Climate Change. do they not have a massive amount of skin in the game? meanwhile, you make it sound as though the scientists are getting rich off of this elaborate hoax. i don’t see scientists donating tens of millions of dollars to Super PACs, but i see rich fossil fuel magnates doing it all the time.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:04am@bravjim
Report Post »I think you missed the past where the goose said that this is only in comparison to the past decade. While I can’t be sure what the goose was trying to imply, to me it would seem that global warmists are trying to “prove” the side right by intentionally ignoring the bigger picture.
tzion
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:16am@philly
Report Post »I have zero trouble accepting the greenhouse effect as true. One need only look at how cold Mercury gets at night to understand that. What your scientists are arguing (and yes there is money in it for them as well), and what not all scientists agree on, is that the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere, which has yet to significantly alter our atmosphere’s composition (CO2 has yet to account for even 1/100 of our atmosphere by volume), has produced measurable and apparent increases in global temperature on the scale of full degrees Fahrenheit. All gases, oxygen included, contribute to the greenhouse effect, without which life as we know it couldn’t exist. Even if we assume that CO2 and methane contribute to this effect more than oxygen and nitrogen the fact remains that both gases only exist in trace amounts in our atmosphere. Nitrogen and oxygen together account for at least 98% of our atmosphere.
phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:23amThe concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in Earth’s atmosphere is approaching 397 ppm (parts per million) by volume as of May 2012[1][2] and rose by 2.0 ppm/yr during 2000–2009. [2][3] This current concentration is substantially higher than the 280 ppm concentration present in pre-industrial times, with the increase largely attributed to anthropogenic sources.[4] Carbon dioxide is used in photosynthesis (in plants and other photoautotrophs), and is also a prominent greenhouse gas. Despite its relatively small overall concentration in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth’s atmosphere because it absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.[5] The present level is higher than at any time during the last 800 thousand years,[6] and likely higher than in the past 20 million years.[7]
source was wiki. now i don’t know what all the sciency terms mean, but that doesn’t sound like a good thing. CO2 doesn’t have to be a major part of the atmosphere. we know the correlation between abnormally high amounts of it and the temperature. and it’s not good.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:44amDon’t worry about it: the Earth is actually cooling.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:51amJZS – it must be all the wild fires keeping things chilly. on a related note, the earth’s population is decreasing, people are dying at a younger age than ever before, and the economy is growing at the highest rate in America’s history. see, it’s fun to make stuff up!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:52am@philly
Interesting assertion. Sorry, but science itself asserts that correlation does not equal causation. In addition, the numbers you use are extremely small ones so significant changes are less relevant. I could say that twice as many people died from are rare condition this year than last year but if the numbers were 6 and 3 that’s not a relevant increase. CO2 currently only accounts for less than 0.04% of our atmosphere so large proportional changes in ppm are to be expected.
The sciency terms simply explain that CO2 will absorb two specific wavelengths of IR radiation, the primary way heat is transmitted. While interesting and relevant, the fact is that the stretching and bending vibrations of most molecules can be stimulated with IR radiation. IR spectroscopy is a technique that measures these vibrations among others for the purpose of identifying key structures of a molecule. It is for this reason that I stated that all gases are “greenhouse gases” to some extant. It is true that oxygen and nitrogen would stretch but not bend due to their diatomic nature, but that alone does not prove global warming.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:42pm@phillyatheist
Report Post »I had a textbook in 8th grade called “The Ever Changing Earth”.That title is pure fact and No child today would probably ever see a similar title like it again. Science is no longer objective the way it once was.Scientists are just as greedy for fame and fortune as anyone in the business sector. Science is POLITICAL. It is ACADEMIA for the most part. They rely on the government for grants to stay in school FOREVER. They work for the Al Gores of the world and make alot of money. They don‘t need to give to PAC’s. All they needed to do was get Barry elected through the Green Agenda. Scientists became marketers. Of course people are starting to distrust a once reputable field. Global warming are two words that have been used and abused for wealth and power across the globe. It’s a carbon credit SCAM. Yes, the earth heats up and cools down. That’s part of living on earth!! Plagarism, doctored numbers, politics, and the green whack jobs have bring down a depressed economy even more. This Prez is famous for using the “green” agenda to give money to his buddies in order to look like they’re actually creating jobs, aka-Solyndra. Hello! Government Motors = Chevy Volt! And those same green bots led by Al Gore are those seemingly least likely to actually live with such respect for “green sustainability”.
bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:50pmCleared by whom? more climategaters? yeah, not convinced.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:16pmIf you global warming alarmists really believe what you are talking about, then why don’t you, and Al Gore, reduce your footprints by shutting off your computer, your televisions, sell your cars, and live without electricity? You could solve the problem that way. Of course, how are you going to stop all the volcanos from erupting, and spewing more CO2 with one eruption than man has spewed over the past 150 years. Your arguments are ridiculous, as is your own desire to not make an impact by reducing your own footprint. You hate the fossil fuels so bad, but you are still using them. Hypocrites.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:18am@Bravjim: FALSE: humans emit far more CO2 per year than volcanos do, a LOT more.
Report Post »RodT82721
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:05amWell now that we can record data and store it for future reference, the Algore disciples are sure that a warmer then average summer is prove positive that we will soon all be barbequed because we fail to pay homage to their idol, big Al. (All those false readings not withstanding!)
When these probates can come up with proof positive that they can turn our tax dollars into provable climate change, I might pay a little more attention to their rantings.
Report Post »JamesL88
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:00amUsing the same map link in the story, you will also see that 997 lowest max temperature records were tied or broken in June along with 500 record lows. Where is that story?
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:46amYou would think that these guys would recognize what I and so many more recognize. When you see emails coming out of the very organizations pushing this climate change crap verifying that they are falsifying reports, then their word is no longer credible. Like almost all liberals, they lied through their teeth, which is what the liberals and the global warming alarmists do. And they called George Bush a fear mongerer, despite the fact that we actually did have terrorist attacks on this country around the world. Climate goes through cycles, has gone through cycles for centuries, and will continue to go through cycles century after century.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:41amIt’s been a hot one, and that is too bad, because the global elite alarmists will now declare they have their proof that man-made global warming is real. It is really too bad, that they cannot see that a yellow disk in the sky and nature itself, causes these fluctuations, man is but a drop in the bucket as to causation. But carbon taxes will be jammed down our throats, on top of all the other taxes and regulations the communists kill us with.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:39amWhat I am trying to figure out is why idiots come in here and try to argue this bs when they know that because we know they are idiots we are just going to tell them how idiotic they are. My guess is they just like being called idiots. Guess what, you are not going to convince anyone that global warming is a bigger threat than your economic solutions. Stop waisting your time and ours. Try convincing other sheeple who don’t realize that heat waves happen from time to time, and that climate swings up and down. 30 years ago you were so worried about a coming ice age. Now it’s global warming. When the trend begins to normalize again, you’ll be back to saying an ice age is coming. So stop trying to convince people who recognize that your just idiots trying to push for economic killing policies in order to justify your communistic policies. Idiots
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:13amMy opinion. They come here because the gods they worship are themselves and science. They discount the Creator of nature so they have to blame the created. They think that by insults alone they will change hearts and minds. Pitiful bunch.
Report Post »Get off your butt and join the Marines
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:47pmYou are a pitiful bunch. Your God is giving you all of these signs that scientists in Gods image have broken down and made simpler for ye of feeble mind. Yet you deny your God??? Why dont you believe what god is showing you so clearly???? The earth is heating up to much too fast all due to man-made reasons like moving carbon from the rock into the air…. Whats not to believe?? God has spoken, listen to him!!!!!
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:45pmGetoffyourbutt………..If the earth heats up and burns up it will be because God did it not His puny creation man. Why don’t you get off your butt and read a Bible. It might get your head out of your butt. Like I said……pathetic.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:25am@Bravjim: I hope you realize that the whole “global cooling” thing was never endoresed by the scientific community as a whole. SImply because something makes it onto a magazine cover for sensationalist purposes, doesn‘t mean it’s endorsed. You guys keep using this example to paint climatologists in a certain light, but likely don’t know the whole story. Glad I could help out.
@Momrules: I love your argument from incredulity. So only god can create or destroy the Earth? So we have no responsibility or accountability to his creation? That’s an absurd argument. Once I’ve heard Limbaugh make several times. “How could we possibly have an impact on god’s creation.” The problem is that the data shows different, whether you invoke your incredulity or not.
Report Post »cannon12pdr
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:26amI put no stock in record breaking temps. The time taken to record temps in this country and all over the world is a blink in geological time. The earth has been hotter and colder than man has ever recorded.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:34amcool thing is we know the earth’s temperature (and corresponding CO2 levels) going back millions of years. we’ve got this thing called Science, where these really smart people dedicate their lives to researching things. and they do things like drilling down thousands of feet into arctic ice (and other things) and conduct examinations and extract data. it’s really neat, you should read up on it.
yes, Scientists know that the earth has been much hotter and much cooler. they also know the effects of such things. and they’re projecting what will happen during a much warmer earth than present, and it’s scary. so you, and obviously many others, would prefer to play ostrich.
Report Post »guntotinsquaw
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:02am@Philly Nope, not burying my head in the sand. Although, would you care to explain where all those scientists were when Obroccoli dumped Corexit into the Gulf? Why are they not pointing to the fact that the Corexit hit the North Atlantic Current and broke it, moving our jet stream north. Where are they, all these “climate change” people? Oh, wait, Obroccoli is in office.. Got it! Science is only important, when it’s fleecing Capitalists.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:28amGUN – i’m no expert on Corexit, but wasn‘t that BP’s solution to cleaning up the oil spill? i didn’t know Obama had anything to do with the solution there. please correct me if i’m wrong, and provide sources. thanks.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:28am@philly
Science can only indicate approximate temperatures and CO2 levels. Add in the fact that I seriously doubt those methods have been used everywhere on Earth and those numbers become little more than averages and estimations. No one can prove that 500 years ago today the temperature in London was a precise temperature.
The second problem with your entire argument is you broke one of the core tenets of science itself: that association does not equal causation. To prove something as true scientifically you must determine it experimentally, not simply provide data that seems to back you up. You must create a hypothesis that x causes y (e.g. this amount of increase in CO2 levels produces this change in global temperatures) with all other known factors being held constant and then test for it. Global temperature is affected by dozens of factors not one of which has ever been constant and not all of which can be reliably known.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:41amZION – yes, many factors can and have contributed to both warming and cooling trends over time. it isn’t always one thing. however, one thing that has been consistent in previous warming periods is high levels of co2. the reason for the additional co2 has varied. in today’s period, we know that burning fossil fuels has been a big contributor to higher co2 in the atmosphere. is it the only factor? no. that adds to the difficulty in confronting the problem. if we ceased all fossil fuel usage there will still be more co2 coming into the atmosphere from other sources. does this mean that we should simply continue doing so?
i put the onus on Science and Technology to make greener solutions more cost effective. people will never (and i include myself in this) volunteer to utilize a product that hurts their wallets. but without public support for solutions they simply won’t come soon enough. people need to recognize the problem, not deny it. once the people have accepted the reality of a warming earth (for whatever reason), they will ask for solutions, not stymie them.
Report Post »guntotinsquaw
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:35pm@Philly…you have to find stories abroad, our LSM reports nothing bad about Obroccoli.
Published on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 by the Guardian/UK
Obama Administration’s Scientists Admit Alarm Over Dispersants
Environmental Protection Agency experts expressed concerns to superiors about use of dispersants, says whistleblower group
by Suzanne Goldenberg
The Obama administration is facing internal dissent from its scientists for approving the use of huge quantities of chemical dispersants to tackle the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the Guardian has learned.
The US Environmental Protection Agency has come under attack in Congress and from independent scientists for allowing BP to spray almost 2m gallons of the dispersant Corexit on to the slick and, even more controversially, into the leak site 5,000ft below the sea. Now it emerges that EPA’s own experts have been raising similar concerns within the agency.
A plane releases chemical dispersant over the Gulf oil spill. Photograph: Reuters
Jeff Ruch, the executive director of the whistleblower support group Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, said he had heard from five scientists and two other officials who had expressed concerns to their superiors about the use of dispersants.
“There was one toxicologist who was very concerned about the underwater application particularly,” he said. “The concern was the agency appeared to be flying blind and not consulting its own specialists and even t
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:30am@Gunto: the sources you provided refute your assertion that scientists give Obama a pass. In one, it stated that there was an internal dispute between the administration and its scientists. Another states that the EPA has shown concern. Oops.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:25amIt‘s Bush’s fault. No, it’s man-made global warming.
Wait!! I got it. It‘s Bush’s fault we have man-made global warming. Obie and/or Gore will fix it. I have faith (famous last words).
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:21amyou need to look at the big picture. in the 1950′s, we had a virtual tie between record highs experienced vs. record lows. in the 2000′s, it was 2:1. it is currently off the charts.
additionally 11 of the 12 warmest years in recorded history (over 100 years) have been in the past 12 years. all of this adds up to a trend. you keep on denying, to your children and grandchildren’s detriment. all of us in this generation will be looked upon very unfavorably by our future generations. shame on us.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:27amThe only thing that will save us (besides God) is FEWER children & grandchildren.
Wrap that rascal…
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:31amYou can look for some global conspiracy all you like, but with the sunspot activity that the very scientists you love so much have been predicting would come this year makes you look foolish when you try to blame this on man.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:34amthat is ‘funny’ the decade from ‘98 to ’08 was a cooling trend.
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:37am@ PHILLYATHEIST
No one denies the Earth goes through cyclical climatic changes. We all know this happens.
The question though, is it man made or just another 20,000 – 50,000 year cycle?
If it’s man-made, until China and India get on board, there’s nothing that can be done. Even the Icelandic volcano a couple of years back put more crap into the atmosphere than humans had done in the past 100 years.
If however, it’s the normal Earth cycle, again, there’s nothing that can be done…
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:00amEarth may indeed be warming up, but that would most likely be because of the Sun’s recent and on-going hyper activity, certainly not caused by CO2.
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:00amphillyatheist:
Report Post »according to the flawed data that those organization are making up (err, studying) the supposed global warming phenomenon. If anything, it‘s more likely God’s judgement on the globe and on America because of our turning away from God, you know, people like yourself. If you want to blame someone, blame yourself. And if you really believe this, then turn off your computer, your lights and your power, and lead the way in really fighting by reducing your own footprint. But you are no more interested in reducing your footprint than you are interested in turning back to God. So stop trying to blow smoke up my a**.
phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:23amSTUDIOS – at least you’re being reasonable. you’re right that it is difficult to do much about reducing co2 levels in this current environment. however, until public perception changes it is impossible to legislate solutions.
BRAVJIM – so you‘re scientific explanation is that this is God’s judgement? ok, now i know to discontinue any dialogue with you. i can’t discuss anything with someone who is clearly delusional. goodbye and good luck with your warped brain.
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:31am@ PHILLYATHEIST
Yeah, I for one don‘t want more government ’legislation’.
The next thing you know they’ll start calling CO2 a poisonous gas and then the trees will die… Oh wait, they’ve already done that.
Until there’s concrete, absolute proof that warming is caused by man, I‘m a ’Normal Earth Cycle’ guy. I also remember in the 70‘s all the fear was another ’Ice age’ was coming…..
Alarmists don’t get me fired up….
Report Post »bravjim
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 4:02pmAt philly atheist:
Report Post »So I am delusional, and your not an idiot. Whatever you say idiot. May you experience God’s full righteous justice, and may His righteousness reign in heaven and on earth. And by the way, I’m not the one who thinks that this is anything other than a normal weather cycle that the earth has experienced century after century. Your the one who is convinced that we are doomed, and I’m saying that if this is the case, then it is God’s judgement on idiots like you for turning away from Him. The trend is obvious to those who study history or who study the bible, rather than relying on hypothesis that are not proven by anything but conjecture.
MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:44am@PPM: false, human activity drarfs volcanic eruptions, year by year. Any credible source will verify that fact.
As for solar cycles: the warming trend has been occuring independant of the 11-year solar cycle. It’s also strange to me that you folks seem to use that as your ace card, somehow thinking that climatologists haven’t considered that glaring (pardon the pun) possibility.
Bravjim has just shown in true cards as a religous fanatic, therefore his position doens’t need to be argued against. Sure, everything boils down to god’s divine retribution. It must be convenient to invoke that rather than making a credibile argument.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:14amLast year I had triple digit temps on my covered, tree shaded front porch for months here in Texas. This year we have remained, except for one or two days, in the 90′s. Last summer we had a terrible drought and a burn ban that started on April 14th and lasted through until fall. This year we have had rain and are expecting more this week.
It’s hot, it’s summer, it’s weather cycles. It is not man made global warming.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:23amit’s not just hot – it’s hotter. it simply doesn’t normally hit 110 degrees in St. Louis. now it does.
but i’m glad we have your expert scientific opinion on the subject. nothing to see here, move along.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:44amAnd Mom – Im sure with your years of science background and studying the climate your fully able to make that judgment. Why dont you and people like you just admit that you have no clue what your talking about and its just an opinion based on aboslutly no scientific data other than what Rush and Glenn tell you to think?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:01amDid everyone forget the abnormally cold summer we had last 2 years?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:58amOK, we had a heat wave. In my city, we broke records set in the 30′s. Does that mean we were on the edge of a climate disaster in the 30′s that was going to destroy the planet? We’re still here, so I guess this will pass as well.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:23amSo we have been breaking records set in the 1930’s?
You mean at the height of polluted water, CO2 spewing from the steel industry, timber industry, strip mining, chemicals being dumped into the ground?
So despite all of the environmental regulations and controls put in place over the last few decades the temperature is still spiking up? Perhaps that could be because it is a natural phenomenon of nature?
Nahh…..it’s man, we just haven’t done enough. We need to cut the population in half, stop all production of fossil fuels and manufacturing. That’ll fix it. Yeah, that’s the ticket.(sarc).
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:30amThat’s their argument Axel, as irrational as it seems.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:35am@Axel: “height of polluted water, CO2 spewing from the steel industry, timber industry, strip mining, chemicals being dumped into the ground?”
All of that was happening well into the 70′s, and its effects don’t stop immediately. Secondly, while regulations have been put into place to control pollution, it doesn‘t mean that there hasn’t been a net increase. You can have 30 million cleaner cars versus 1 million dirty cars, and the cleaner cars will still have a larger impact. Beyond that, people drive more anyways. Lastly, the United States isn’t the only polluter. India and China and concerns, as well as Brazil for clearcutting the Amazon.
Your whole argument that things have gotten better since the 30′s is false.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:47amSo the sun is overactive one in a while. No that does not prove global warming.
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