Todd Akin Releases New ‘Apology’ Ad for Rape Comments
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ST. LOUIS (AP/TheBlaze) — On a day when his political future might be decided, Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri is airing a new television advertisement apologizing again for his comments that women can somehow prevent pregnancy after “legitimate rapes.”
“The mistake I made was in the words I said, not in the heart I hold,” Akin says in the ad.
Akin faces a 5 p.m. deadline Tuesday to decide whether he will withdraw from his Senate race against Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill. He has been pressured by some Republican leaders to leave the race since making his comments during a TV interview Sunday.
In an advertisement airing Tuesday, Akin says he used the “wrong words in the wrong way” and asked for voters’ forgiveness. He calls rape an evil act and acknowledges it can lead to pregnancy.
Akin does not comment in the ad on whether he plans to stay in the race. However, Dashiell Bennett at the Atlantic argues that this ad is evidence that Akin plans to stay in the race.
How Akin plans to defeat Claire McCaskill without support from most major conservative organizations, or the National Republican Senatorial Committee, is an open question, but he may not have as hard a time of it as some think. A poll taken by Public Policy Polling following Akin’s remarks shows that he still leads McCaskill by 1 point.
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Comments (145)
Mandors
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:47am“The mistake I made was in the words I said, not in the heart I hold”
But the foot in your mouth.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:05amHis mistake is in what he believes.
Report Post »OniMan
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:17amagreed, his mistake was showing us all how he actually thinks, though now we know and we do not approve!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:22amHe needs to step down NOW!!!
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:29amBut RYAN BELIEVES THE SAME THING!!!!
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:18pmencinom
Report Post »There you go again playing God and believing you know Paul Ryan’s heart and mind! So, another man defiles himself with what came out of his month (But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the HEART; and they defile the man Mt. 15:18) and somehow you accuse Paul Ryan of being equally despicable? What has Mr. Ryan said to merit the comparison? (Ryan provable quotes accepted only) What kind of math were you taught? 2+2=5? You got to ask yourself how your mind has become so twisted!
jblaze
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:20pmEndTheGOPTEA
PROOF PLease! Just because you say it doesn’t make it the truth!
Report Post »seljo1701a
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:29pmEveryone is hysterical (word used INTENTIONALLY) over his remark and totally missing his main points, which are factual, pro-life positions:
1) pregnancy from rape is rare (b/c of the physical damage caused in many cases)
2) 2 wrongs don’t make a right (killing a baby b/c it is the result of a rape: rape was wrong #1, killing a baby #2)
Should we kill a quadriplegic who is hit by a drunk driver?! Same thing. Bot are innocent victims.
Obviously, rape resulting in pregnancy is not impossible. That wasn’t the point. (BTW, I just heard a nurse say she was taught this idea that the trauma of rape prevents or otherwise spontaneously aborts the result of rape naturally in the 70‘s or 60’s… maybe this is what he heard of. Is is true? I dunno.)
Rape is a horrible crime, not just because of the physical assault, but the potential for lasting physical and emotional scars due to a pregnancy, or an abortion. He didn’t say it “just right” so he should be crucified? The RINO’s are jumping him, b/c he was not their chosen one, and even conservatives not familiar with the race are joining, out of ignorance. Is it not true that some claims of rape are, in fact, untrue as well?
Maybe it would be wise to allow the primary runner up to take over. Maybe not. I haven’t seen the polls, so I couldn’t say. But the hysteria needs to stop, if R’s want to win this seat. He doesn’t need friendly fire on top of everything else. Make the arguments to step down in privat
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 1:44pmWhy is the RNC pushing Akin out of the race when his words are in line with the RNC’s platform on abortion. Strange eh?
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 1:57pmOkay, from a radio news report that I heard late last night, the fact that Akins is the current candidate is something of another Democrat victory. Missouri is an OPEN PRIMARY state, meaning that anybody can vote in either primary, but you can vote only once. The tactic was the Dems would get behind the weakest Republican in the running with their voting support. McCaskill is the I-N-C-U-M-B-A-N-T (will explain that spelling in a moment) and there was no need to vote for her. Something of never letting an opportunity get away from you.
Report Post »Found out from somebody else that The Blaze filters our certain words. Most become a series of stars such as ****. But, any post with a word that contains the word C-U-M in it is completely filtered out. We’ve noticed a lot of people complaining lately about having their posts deleted, and this may be the problem. Posts with the word I-N-C-U-M-B-A-N-T, and C-I-R-C-U-M-S-T-A-N-C-E and any other word with those three letters together are just never posted. Hope, they get this fixed soon.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:11pmDang, that should be I-N-C-U-M-B-E-N-T above.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:38pmI think he was originally talking about the difference between “statutory” (voluntary but still illegal rape) and “legitimate” (non-voluntary and illegal rape). He could have used a much better word to make his point.
Anyways, his “tone” of indifference was what really got people so mad IMHO. He seems to be a person that is rather stoic and lacking emotions.
Report Post »term limits for congress
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 3:40pmHe should drop out right after Sheila Jackson-Lee Shabazz Zulu resigns… right after Maxine Waters Mohammed resigns… right after Steve Cohen Choomster resigns… and many more.
Report Post »Simonne
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 3:52pmJust wish he would quit & get it over with.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 4:51pmHe left out the brain. Those of us who have them and have formed the habit of using them find that they can be very useful in helping to ensure that he words that come out of our mouths reflect what’s in our hearts. Perhaps Mr. Akin should step aside in favor of someone with more experience in the use of a brain.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:47pmRyan Is Next
Ryan dated black women while in college. Did any of his black girlfriends ever have an abortion while he was dating them? This will be the next Obama Chicago White House attack on the GOP. The GOP elites will now demand that Ryan resign over this. Did Ryan’s wife know about the black girl friend?
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:50pmI hope Akin stays in. Babies of rape are still human and must be allowed to live. Punish the rapist and not the baby. The GOP knows Akin will will vote against Obamacare and the GOP does not want to repeal it no mater what they say.
Report Post »commoncents5
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:44amWell the so-called brainiacs are having a field day with this. I personally think the man should stay in the race. The sky isn’t falling so all you TV show hosts & talk radio hosts just simmer down. Abortion is either right or it is wrong. Take your path and stick with it. There is no maybe or exceptions. Abortion picks winners & losers so does man or God have that sole judgment? I saw a young lady on TV that was a beautiful product of rape and she questioned why she would be judged unfit to be walking among us. I say she has a God given right to walk among us even though man does not agree with God. So who do you follow?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:56am“Abortion is either right or it is wrong.”
An abortion to save a mother’s life: right or wrong? What if the mother would die before an emergency C-section could allow the fetus to live?
When you talk in absolutes, you tend to talk absolute nonsense. There are always grey areas.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:00amI agree Akin should stay in the race. He is the true face of the GOP, he is Paul Ryan, if Paul Ryan didn’t have a PC filter.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:32pmCorrect! The child is not the shameful one and be put to death! But the rapist and he should be held fully accountable.
Report Post »Cate
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:38amClaire McCaskill made sure you were elected for the primary because you were the one she can beat. You have made many mistakes that a career Republicans are making across the board. So be honorable and resign and let someone who can beat McCaskil run. The Republican establishment needs to stand up and support truly Conservative candidates who are not flub-a-dubs. Oh, come on, McCaskill knows every trick in the book. Democrats crossing over in the primary is a ‘no brainer’. Watch the election, she will pull no punches. She knows how to isolate, demonize and destroy her competion. Sarah Steelman best represents the people, but that is their decision.
Report Post »overthecliff
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:35amDemocrats, including Claire Mckaskill, are just being consisten with their behavior in the past. Women are always a high priority,remember how theywere so appalled by Ted Kennedy`s treatment of Mary Jo Kopeckne? Self righteous ********!
Report Post »OLDPAINT
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:36pmCherokee Nation there Claire. Take care. Some Indian poetry for ya.
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:30amYour a Major pinhead.
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:28amAkin needs to leave ?. He killed the sacred cow and will never regroup . The sad thing in are government they are more thieves and low life’s that would sell there soul for the the seat in both houses !!!!. Than just a Idiot that does not know how to keep his mouth shut.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:28amSHUT UP FLANNERY…. if you don’t know what is going on, don’t purposefully insult good people by being an Atheistic (which already shows how dumb you are) DOLT.
The rest of this I’m posting because of your position in this thread… I don’t care about whether or not you back Akin…you’re a dem/Liberal so you probably contributed $$$ to Akin’s campaign as another dirty trick by the DEMS…but guess what??? WE KNOW how to deal with you dolts. Whenever any Candidate realizes that he/she has received $$$ from a Dem/Dem Backed/Any Liberal source they disclose it/return it and 1. that will stop you fools from playing so dirty 2. Showing No Respect for our Constitution and/or American system of Government 3. Will PROBABLY be an automatic “TELL” that you guys play SO DIRTY that your candidate running as a DIRTY DEM will completely lose any advantage they may have. AMERICANS do NOT LIKE DIRTY PLAY. They won’t necessarily think that someone is (which is why Obama got elected ONCE) they always try to give people the benefit of a doubt….but NOW WE KNOW HOW DIRTY YOU GUYS PLAY. WE SEE THE RESULTS of the weakest Candidate and YOUR LITTLE DIRTY SQUIRRELY GAME IS TOAST. BUNNING should be the Candidate. DROP OUT NOW AKIN. GO PLAY ON THE HIGHWAY DEMS. We, the PEOPLE, have had it with your Childish, dirty, sneaky way.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 1:11pmAkin is taking his buddy Paul Ryan down with him,
Report Post »As Ricky Ricardo said “Pauly, YOU got a lotta ‘splain’ to do.”
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:03pmNOREASON, Do you mean “splainin?”
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:25amFight the urge to be manipulated by the media. It is akin (ha) to being manipulated by Gov.
Report Post »Centralsville
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:14amGive it up dude. Women, because of an extreme inferiority complex, spend their entire lives waiting to be offended. They invented Political Correctness to cover their complex. This guy with his stupid remark stepped right into it. Liberals can and do make stupid remarks all day long but they are allowed to be stupid, Liberals represent female thought after all, it is all about feelings and insecurity. Conservatives are not allowed to make stupid remarks. Conservatism is about truth and logic and taking care of yourself, not relying on government to make things equal and fair. This guy doesn’t have a chance and needs to step down.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:42amActually the guy was right in actual(legitimate)cases of rape pregnancy is rare. However it does happen which is why abortion should not be totally abolished. The dems are trying to change the subject anyway they can RIGHTNOW there are about liberals douch*s in a war room trying their best to find a way to link Akin to Ryan……THAT WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE AND WHAT KIND OF PARTY THEY HAVE
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:41amWTF are you talking about? RYAN and him are Cosigners on AntiAbortion Bill and Personhood bill… You need to get an education before you speak, what kind of person has an opinion about something and spouts it as fact when it is not, fool.
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:08amhttp://thedanashow.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/claire.jpg
oops i was trying to upload this image not a gazillion others
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:09pmGood one. LOL
Report Post »At least a short time ago in a referendum vote against 0bamacare, 71% of Missouri voted against it. McCaskill has her base, but hopefully the independents who do not want 0bamacare will remember how much they dislike her this November. Naturally, Akin will be heavily beat about the head and shoulders with his statement in ads from now to Christmas. Just sayin’ since we all know that the TV stations will not stop running an ad the day after the election.
lylejk
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:07amPeople can get forgivness, but there’s always going to be consiquences for a persons actions. Please get out for the sake of the party; today’s the last day that you can be legitimately replaced with a person who knows how to step over the manure in the cow pasture. :)
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:24amDon’t be stupid…You are being manipulated. Read the blogs. Anyone could have used these words. Look at what “slick willy” did. The guy doesn’t even know Biology…yet Gore doesn’t know Science at all. Why do we let the media (I include Fox) push us around. Anyone can win in MO. where are the show me folks.
Report Post »But Romans 8:28
Gonzo
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:18pmTajloc, the Obama worshipping media will slime all Reublicans with what this guy said. Look at the leftys on this site already trying to do it. Whether, you agree or disagree with Akin, this is not the hill Republicans need to die on in this election! The RNC has told Akin they will not fund his campaign, no money = no campaign = McCaskill win = Dems hold the Senate.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:07amOur country is in a sad state. We are so quick to jump all over somebody for saying something against the commonly held beliefs (or even science) without ever giving the person a chance to defend his/her position. Even if he is wrong, it makes everyone else feel “soooo smart” if they can jump all over him. Pathetic. I guess we truly are an “idiocracy” when it is easier to apologize than it is to explain (and possibly educate) why someone said what he/she said.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:20am“Even if he is wrong, it makes everyone else feel “soooo smart” if they can jump all over him. ”
… if you think people are outraged at his remarks because it makes them feel smarter, I recommend getting out Egypt. You’re obviously in de Nile.
Conservatives (or Republicans; interchangeable here) are outraged because he’s actively losing what we thought was a pretty secure senate seat. People from both sides are outraged because he blatantly lied about medical science and implied pregnant victims of rape were not “legitimately raped.”
And you‘re here whining about how it’s only because people want to feel “soooo smart”? Give me a break. If you want to be a useful moron, go join the Democrats.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:40amPEOPLE are also angry because the DEM party contributed 1.5M to this jerk‘s campaign because they picked him as the ’easiest’ to beat and he knew $$$ was coming to him and didn’t have the guts then or the integrity to hand it back or refuse it and tell the dems to get lost. WE do not need losers like this representing any of us – anymore.
Report Post »From now on, when a Candidate sees money coming in from DEMS, he/she must refuse it, report it and show INTEGRITY. That may help defeat the DEM candidate – the fact that they have to play so dirty…but NEVER should we do what they do. WE can beat them with TRUTH. THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH. DROP OUT AKIN. NOW. You don’t have any GOP backing, You are not going to be able to get in the GOP Convention; You won’t have any Senatorial Campaign funds. YOU won’t have any new support; You could cause loss of the Senate. McCaskill needs to be defeated, you can’t do it. You won dirty. You don’t deserve it…and there are a lot of people now saying they would vote for McCaskill now. IF you have any integrity, you will resign now.
Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:44amIf you look at what he really said, he said pregnancy from legitimate rapes is RARE. This is true!!!! He only said what he heard “from doctors”. He might be wrong at worst, but he shouldn’t be dragged through the mud over it. I’m not “whining” because this makes people feel so smart to drag this guy through the mud. I’m sick of everybody jumping over everybody else because someone misused a single word. One friggin word: “legitimate” and everybody goes ballistic. Good Lord, don’t we have bigger fish to fry? How about the entire concept of “Communism”??? If somebody has NEVER said a wrong word, then that person can have at it. I’m just sick of all this nit-picking over piddly crap.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:02am@Tigress
“If you look at what he really said, he said pregnancy from legitimate rapes is RARE.”
What he truly said:
“First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape is] really rare,” Akin, who’s running to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
He continued, “But let‘s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something — you know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
1. Pregnancy from rape is rare. Sure. 5% is rare.
2. The concept of “legitimate rape.” Oh boy, now there’s a story. A lot of people have said he’s differentiating between women who cry wolf (3% of all reported rapes) and “legitimate” rape (92%; 5% are unfounded but not necessarily the woman lying). Statistics from FBI crime stats, by the way. HOWEVER, I don’t think this is true; Akin sponsored legislation redefining rape as only being violent rape. This discards other forms such as spousal, date rape, drugged rape, and statutory rape. Starting to see the outrage?
3. The body can’t shut that down: it’s a myth. As we’ve told you multiple times. Akin lied, or believes fake science.
4. But no matter whether it’s legitimate or not, he’s against rape in all cases. Fair enough.
So, no, “rape is rare” is NOT all that he really said.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:19am@Locked, I hear what you are saying, but I still think this whole thing is getting blown way out of proportion. He probably misued the word “legitimate” for “violent”. I don‘t think he put a whole lot of thought into his words or he wouldn’t have said it. After all, look at the reaction he is getting! We are putting a helluva lot more thought into his words than Akin did!
Report Post »seljo1701a
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:43amEveryone is hysterical (word used INTENTIONALLY) over his remark and totally missing his main points, which are factual, pro-life positions:
1) pregnancy from rape is rare (b/c of the physical damage caused in many cases)
2) 2 wrongs don’t make a right (killing a baby b/c it is the result of a rape: rape was wrong #1, killing a baby #2)
Should we kill a quadriplegic who is hit by a drunk dirver?! Same thing. Bot are innocent victims.
Obviously, rape resulting in pregnancy is not impossible. That wasn’t the point.
Rape is a horrible crime, not just because of the physical assault, but the potential for lasting physical and emotional scars due to a pregnancy, or an abortion. He didn’t say it “just right” so he should be crucified? The RINO’s are jumping him, b/c he was not their chosen one, and even conservatives not familiar with the race are joining, out of ignorance. Is it not true that some claims of rape are, in fact, untrue as well?
Maybe it would be wise to allow the primary runner up to take over. Maybe not. I haven’t seen the polls, so I couldn’t say. But the hysteria needs to stop, if R’s want to win this seat. He doesn’t need friendly fire on top of everything else. Make the arguments to step down in private, preferably 1 on 1.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:56am@Seljo1017a, Funny that you used the word “crucify”. That’s the same word I was thinking! I can understand the Republicans being upset. Glenn Beck just said on his radio show “The future of the nation is at stake.” I have a question for Glenn: Are we willing to crucify a man for an innocent mistake for the future of our country?” I’m sorry, but that‘s a line I’m not willing to cross. How would that differentiate us from the Progressives that we are facing? Somewhere I heard about an innocent man getting crucified a long time ago…
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:14pm@Selj
“pregnancy from rape is rare (b/c of the physical damage caused in many cases)”
Here’s an idea: how about we don’t put nonsensical medical ideas into play here and just keep it to “pregnancy from rape is rare.” It’s 5% on average (and that includes those who are raped and get emergency contraceptives; without that, it would likely be higher). We don‘t always know why it’s rare, but “because of physical damage” is likely not a huge factor. Many rapes are non-violent, done through coercion, threats, drugs, or alcohol. In fact, alcohol plays the biggest factor, with about half of all rapes occurring when one or both people have been drinking.
Spousal rape (which Akin doesn’t believe is “legitimate”) is actually usually more violent than rape by a stranger (about half the women raped by their husband are beaten immediately before, during, or after).
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:35pm@Locked, again, you are reading way to much into his comment! When did Aiken say that “spousal rape is not a legitimate rape”?
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:07amhttp://www.bing.com/images/search?q=claire+mccaskill&id=FE6C7473BD9EDAB7143DBB7BFA120714A0EF3C99&FORM=IQFRBA
Report Post »UnCL3
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:03amgo away, Forehead the Second…
Report Post »nonliberal
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:54amEveryone makes mistakes. When I heard the video of him saying “Legitimate Rape” I assumed he meant “Real Rape” instead of the cases where a wife cheats and declares rape when she gets pregnant, or when the teen is scared and claims rape so she don’t get in trouble for getting pregnant.
Or when the white woman has a black baby but a white boyfriend.
We all know it happens on occasion.
I assume he meant that because in those cases there is not any trauma that would cause an emotional effect on the body.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:12amI get HAMMERED by women when I try to describe functions pertaining to their body. I’ve been henpecked enough to know not to make a comment on monthly events unless I have a degree in gynecology.
Report Post »nonliberal
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:22amNo doubt it was stupid to go down that road in the first place. I just think its getting blown way out of proportion, considering things people like Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton have actually done are much worse than just making a stupid comment and they would both be re-elected today if the media had their way.
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:52amThe Phrase “Legitimate Rape” is the problem.
Report Post »if he had said Rape an not put the Legitimate
in front No Firestorm.
If the RNC wont back him an the PAC’s wont back him
Heck I dont think the Republican Women will back him.
Then He needs to Step Down or McCaskill Wins.
I Dont know much about Missouri Politics.
But We need to Take Control of the Senate.
McCaskill could be the vote that keeps
Harry Reid Majority Leader.
Gonzo
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:53amBe gone Akin, we NEED that seat!
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:20amDo not read the above…obvious troll
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:22amWe can have the Abortion Debate Later.
Report Post »We need that seat in the Senate.
If the RNC an other PAC’s wont Support him.
McCaskill wins an We need that Seat.
Harry Reid Must GO an if Akin can’t deliver
He should Step Down.
encinom
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:23amThere is no difference between Ryan and Akin, should Romney also drop the extremist Ryan. Ryan and Akin co-sponsored legislation to redefine rape. The only difference between Ryan and Akin is ryan has better control over his tongue.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:51amGonzo, stop waiting for pols to do the right thing. They are the most narcissistic parasites on the planet.
Tajloc, or should I say TROLL loc, go home. Your mommy’s calling.
Enicmoron, why are you still here? Begone special needs troll!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:26amHey Tajloc, yopu want to win back the Senate or not? The RNC isn’t going to fund Akin, he either quits or we abdicate that seat to McCaskill!
Report Post »mike1956will
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:29pm…says the McCaskill supporter….
Report Post »DTOM31
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:45amHe needs to get out of the race. For the sake of winning the Senate Majority, or we will not be able to repeal Obamacare. GET OUT!!
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:38amTodd Akin should not have apologized. I remembered hearing something similar to what he said about the human body being able to “resist” pregnancy under trauma.
“Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that’s physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy.”
Source: http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461
I guess this subject is taboo also. Akin simply made the mistake of not sticking with society’s “consensus”. I’m not saying that women cannot get pregnant during rape, but I think it is possible that the stress can do enormous damage. If stress can cause a miscarriage, it also might prevent a pregnancy.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:48amTry a better source next time.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:57am@Moderationisbest – It makes perfect sense. Why don’t some of those “professeurs” in the higher institutes of learning do a “study” on this? Are they afraid of going against the status quo? Would they rather study crayfish on treadmills? I would bet any money that there are plenty of medical doctors that believe this is true, (and other sources that report it) they just don’t want to come out and say it and jeopardize their careers!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:04am… that’s your source? They say right in the article “Well, we don’t know, so let’s pick and choose some random numbers.”
“Some feminists have claimed as high as 5 to 10 percent, which is absurd. One problem has been the lack of available studies and accurate statistics. Often women do not admit to having been raped. On the other hand, it has been known that women, pregnant from consensual intercourse, have later claimed rape. Is it possible to know the actual facts?”
“Which is absurd…” except even in The Blaze’s original article on this topic, they included a study EXACTLY ON THIS TOPIC: “A 1996 study published in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology said approximately 32,000 pregnancies result from rape each year in the United States and that about 5 percent of rape victims are impregnated.”
32,000 annually based on actual figures is a far cry from your source’s 450-740 based on nothing but conjecture.
Or, as MODERATION said: pick a better source.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:06am“Why don’t some of those “professeurs” in the higher institutes of learning do a “study” on this?”
Good Lord. Studies have been done. The fact that you don’t know about them (or take an obviously biased, non-scientific website‘s word that there aren’t many out there as absolute truth) doesn‘t mean you’re right. As… you’re not.
I swear, Akin‘s comments have produced more idiocy than I’ve seen in quite a while. It‘s incredibly annoying when my own side needs to lie and backpedal instead of just admitting when they’re wrong.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:12amIf you want a better source, go find one. Do your own research if you are interested. All I said is what I heard a long time ago, (and Akin probably heard it too) it makes perfect sense. Again, if stress can cause a miscarriage (anybody doubting that by the way?), then why can’t it prevent a pregnancy? Why is it that many times couples are so stressed out trying to “make a baby” that they can’t conceive, but the minute they go adopt a baby, the stress goes away and the couple gets pregnant? I believe common sense before I believe ANY other source.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:28am“All I said is what I heard a long time ago, (and Akin probably heard it too) it makes perfect sense.”
Sure, you probably heard it in 1995 when NC Rep Henry Aldridge said the same false thing. He said: ““The facts show that people who are raped – truly raped – the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work, and they don’t get pregnant.”" Oh, or maybe in 1988, when PA Rep Stephen Freind said the traumatic experience of rape causes a woman to “secrete a certain secretion” that tends to kill sperm. The odds that a woman who is raped will get pregnant are “one in millions and millions and millions,” he continued.
Sorry if you’re upset that you were caught repeating lies. But we can’t afford for people to say (or, God forbid, actually believe) this kind of falsity. Our future is too important to rely on such flimsy candidates with such blatantly wrong information.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:29am@Tigress1 more from the anti-science right. When did the GOP reject science and facts? Why is the truth a dirty word for the Conservatives?
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:46amNotice that not ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE has responded to the common sense notion about stress and miscarriages, and stress and causing pregnancy. Just attacks.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:52amCorrection: stress PREVENTING pregnancy, not causing it!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:54am@Tigress
“Notice that not ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE has responded to the common sense notion about stress and miscarriages, and stress and causing pregnancy.”
Probably because that wasn’t what Akin said and is a strawman argument. Just a hunch. And even worse (for your whining, anyway) is that even when stress has an effect, at least 5% of raped women still get pregnant. So now you’re in the awkward position of saying (like Akin) “they weren’t legitimately raped” or admitting that stress or some magical biological process does not shut down a woman’s reproductive ability even when violated (thus negating both yours and Akin’s arguments).
You pick your poison. I’m more interested in helping the GOP win some elections; and dumping Akin is the only way for this race to turn back to our side.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:55amTigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:46am
Notice that not ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE has responded to the common sense notion about stress and miscarriages, and stress and causing pregnancy. Just attacks.
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Your common sense notion has no basis in facts. Anecdotal evidence is often wrong. There is an actual study conducted by experts that has provided solid facts. Common sense notions or common wisdom is often wrong. This is the problem with today’s anti-education, anti-science conservatives they reject truth and instead go for gut reactions.
Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:11amJust thought I’d do a little work for you. There are plenty of articles that say the stress CAN prevent pregnancy. Women with high levels of the hormone alpha amylase (associated with stress) have a harder time getting pregnant.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/womens-health/articles/2010/08/27/cant-get-pregnant-how-stress-may-be-causing-your-infertility
The question is: Is alpha-amylase released during a rape? I contend it is:
https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/1811/37134/Jennifer_Hellman_Undergraduate_Honors_Thesis.pdf?sequence=1
According to this study, during the “Fight or Flight” response (which would occur during a rape), alpha-amylase IS released. Hmmm. MAYBE, this would be a legitimate way to determine if a LEGITIMATE rape occurred, if there is a way to analyze if alpha-amylase was released during a “rape”? I don’t see how this could be done given the context of the situation, but I better not say such a controversial thing!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:41am@Tigress
“There are plenty of articles that say the stress CAN prevent pregnancy.”
And plenty of statistics that show it doesn’t.
“According to this study, during the “Fight or Flight” response (which would occur during a rape), alpha-amylase IS released. Hmmm. MAYBE, this would be a legitimate way to determine if a LEGITIMATE rape occurred, if there is a way to analyze if alpha-amylase was released during a “rape”? ”
… yes, you’re right. That’s pretty controversial. Because a passed out girl would not have this. A drugged girl would not. A girl knocked unconscious would not. A girl assaulted in her sleep would not. A consenting minor (who cannot legally consent, thus causing statutory rape) would not.
And yet out of all of those examples, the only “legitimate rape” that Akin would agree was rape would be if a girl who knocked unconscious. And yet even she wouldn’t be legitimate if we applied your standard.
Report Post »integrican
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:58pmCase in point: My ex miscarried a child of mine and the doctor directly attributed it to high stressors in her life at the time, the loss of her job and moving to another city.
Report Post »OLDPAINT
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:41pmVery good points made, TIGRESS. Braves don’t know their own squaws sometimes.I never looked at it that way.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:00pm@Locked, When did Akin say that the only legitimate rape is if the girl was knocked unconscious? You are reading way too much into his comment.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:19amI heard something, ergo, it must be true.
Do you rely on “Creation Science” when you’re learning about the history of this world?
Are you getting the same information from the group of people who say Dinosaurs and humans lived side by side and interacted?
Are you from the same ilk of “scientists” who say, “if an experiment, on the surface, seems to contradict the word of God, we go with the word of God.”?
Report Post »Mrflannery
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:37amIf a woman conceives through rape…what is the big deal? They kid will probably grow up and become a criminal. Eventually he’ll get locked up, and since I own stock with Corrections Corp of America, I should see healthy dividend returns! Land of the Free!
Report Post »JJohnGalt2
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:31amMcCaskill and the democrats spend $1.5 million to get the pathetic Akin the GOP primary win.
Report Post »Thanks, Democrats, you too the sorry Bachmann and Huckabee. You complicit in this disaster
flipper1073
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:31amThe Democrats an the GOP working together
Report Post »to put up the Weakest Candidate.
So the Democrat will win I’m seeing a Patern
Developing here ?
EqualJustice
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:29amI am sick of every Republican candidates WORDS being disected and taken out of context and used as weapons against them. Why are they NOT doing this to Democrats? I can think of QUITE a few who have said much worse, and they’re still aound. Easy to find examples everywhere of this double standard!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:47amOut of context? Hahaha
This guy is a moron and got called out for it.
Report Post »RGFROMTEXAS
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:53amAre You Kidding Me ???? Out Of Context ???
What this man said is just plain ignorance !!! I would be embarassed
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:20amI do not believe this man is an idiot or a moron or all the adjectives used to denigrate him. And I believe this apology is for real. Was this akin to Barack Hussein Obama saying if happened to his daughters he wouldn’t want them punished with a baby? Nope. However here in Texas the same thing happened when Ann Richards scraped through and won over her opponent who really did blow it with a comment regarding rape whereas he had been ahead in the polls. Ultimately she was removed from that post by Geo. H.W. Bush but the simple fact is the Democrats will clobber this Akins guy using his comment because they hold no other cards. You gotta know when to fold up, right?
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:01amThis wasn’t a matter of words being taken out of context, this was a US Congressperson displaying a PROFOUND ignorance of human biology. This is a man who sits on the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. I don’t think he owes an apology for offending anyone by his words, but rather by accepting a position he is unqualified for. He should resign from the committee if he is truly a member of the “party of personal responsibility”.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:45pmWhat if he wasn’t wrong?
Report Post »aconstitutionalistlivesinbrooklyn
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:28amThe polls for Akin are only going to get worse, not better.
Report Post »In a Bunker
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:39amThis is the vote that would overturn O-Care. How did Missouri come up with this guy? Sorry, but what he said was messed up. He needs to go.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:19amObamacare will never be overturned. Give that one up.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:26amThis guy is single-handedly destroying what little chance Romney ever had to win the WH.
Report Post »And opening up a Pandora‘s box to Ryan’s extremist views.
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:10amYour sincerest hope
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:21amJust the facts jack.
Report Post »Many did not know about Ryan’s work with this jerk.
Oooo, I‘m a poet and don’t know it.
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:47pmOf course they are going to connect him/this fiasco to Romney Ryan. It would be a waste of an opportunity not to sling mud.
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:25amNo need to apologize for being a idiot.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:22amI am sick of hearing I am sorry from politicians.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:26amExactly and especially only from those on the American right.
Report Post »bpodlesnik
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:28amFor if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. – Matthew 6:14-16
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:13am“For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
I forgive him. But that doesn‘t mean I’m idiotic enough to think he can win now, or morally bankrupt enough to think he deserves any place of governance. I believe in God; I don’t believe in this loser.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:05pm@bpod
He didnt sin against me. Nor did he sin against anyone. He said a fact that rapes rare end in pregnancy. Then he went on to say that the womans body can defend itself in these situations. Not sure if that last part is factual but the first part is. He shouldnt have apologized period. Stick to your guns.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:34pmI think he was talking about the difference between “statutory” (voluntary but still illegal rape) and “legitimate” (non-voluntary and illegal rape). He could have used a much better word to make his point.
Anyways, his “tone” of indifference was what really got people so mad IMHO.
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