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Top Gov. Lawyers: U.S. Citizens Can Be Military Targets Without Trial

(The Blaze/AP)– U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida, top national security lawyers in the Obama administration said Thursday.

Top Gov. Lawyers: U.S. Citizens Can Be Military Targets Without Trial

The lawyers were asked at a national security conference about the CIA killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen and leading al-Qaida figure. He died in a Sept. 30 U.S. drone strike in the mountains ofYemen.

The government lawyers, CIA counsel Stephen Preston and Pentagon counsel Jeh Johnson, did not directly address the al-Awlaki case. But they said U.S. citizens do not have immunity when they are at war with the United States.

Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.

The courts in habeas cases, such as those involving whether a detainee should be released from the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba, make the determination of who can be considered an enemy combatant.

Late last year, a judge threw out a lawsuit filed by al-Awlaki’s father, saying that the courts do not have the authority to review military decisions by the president aimed at protecting the country from terrorists. The cleric’s father, Nasser al-Awlaki of Yemen, was suing to prevent the U.S. from targeting his son.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:38pm

    Congress gave The Tyrant TOO MUCH POWER! Call your Congressman and CUSS THEM OUT! Republicans,Libertarians, and Tea Party Are Now Considered TERRORIST By Obama!!! 2012 Elections will not happen! Everyone who disagrees with Obama is a terrorist now!!! Martial law is coming!!

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    • Jinglebob
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:53pm

      The Left is always changing the meaning of words. So, what is their meaning of terrorists. If the once proud and looked up to FBI can go after Gibson, they can go after us. I think I will stop posting on these sites as I know they are read and filled away. Bye.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:54pm

      Yes they did, and they did it when Bush asked them too via the “Patriot” act. It was stated, even then, by libertarians that it was a nightmare and would grow worse over time. As I recall, we were derided and called all kinds of nasty names by conservatives, who have now suddenly realized that all this stuff is bad. As soon as a GOP’er is back in the WH though, watch the anger magically disappear, just like the anti-war movement disappeared when Obama took office.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:59pm

      Of course the Gov’t will abuse this Power. McCain, Graham, Romney, Gingrich, and Bachmann all tell us how bad big Gov‘t are but all are completely willing to entrust that very same Big Gov’t with such extraordinary power?

      Please wake up fellow Conservatives. Surely you can see the Dangers in electing another Neo-Con Big Gov’t Republican. Both Romney and Gingrich are on record as supporting expanding the Patriot Act. Surely you see the danger in this. Why do you continue to throw your support behind these bad actors? They are not representing the People and they are standing up for the Constitution! There‘s only one person that stands in opposition to these insane powers which the Executive is being granted and that’s Dr. Ron Paul. Since day one.. since the first day he set foot in DC he’s been defending the Constitution.

      Unfortunately it’s now or never. The writing is on the wall. If you are so foolish as to trust Gingrich or Romney there‘s a good chance you or your children will one day be considered Terrorists by our very own Gov’t!

      Stop it Now! Come to your senses Please!

      Stop it about the Wars! They are not in our vital interests and besides we are bankrupt! We have no money to pursue anymore Wars.

      Support the man who will exalt the US Constitution! The one man.

      Dr. Paul 2012!

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    • De minimus
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:07pm

      It’s alright Jinglebob.

      I’m sure they already know who you are.

      BTW, when you allow them to shut you up, they win because it’s necessary that they shut down disagreement and truthful information, they cannot survive it’s discussion.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:29pm

      MUAHAHAHA!

      The NEW WORLD ORDER is UPON YOU, YOU DENIERS AND SCOFFERS!

      YOU BOOTLICKING SHEEP!

      RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!

      I’VE WARNED YOU!

      Now…even if I disappear into a FEMA Camp, or if I shoot it out with these TYRANTS and DIE FOR LIBERTY when they come for me…you’ll know I WARNED YOU.

      NOW GET UP OFF YOUR SORRY CARCASS AND RESIST THAT NAZI POLICE STATE!!!

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    • Ohio Girl
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:30pm

      Just think if Americans had enough of the government and take up arms the troops will be able to shoot to kill because it’s going against the government. It would make it easier to say the crowd are terriorist against America and it can be concidered justified. Just a bunch of BS.

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    • KevINtampa
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:32pm

      Just today between the Adam Corolla rant and a talk radio host in the morning, I’ve heard comparisons of similarity between the wants of Al Qaeda and the wants of OWS. Mark my words, I‘ve said it here before and I’m saying it again, things end badly for those “occupiers” in the streets. The way they will be treated will replace everyone’s fear of God with a fear of our Government. They are misguided idiots, and their most useful act will be the way they are expunged from our lives. Pray for them.

      And if you still haven’t done it, listen to/watch some Yuri Bezmenov lectures…just do a search for him on youtube or google video…this is a generational overthrow of the US moral set. It’s why the nuclear family, God, and individual responsibilty has been forgotten. We have been subvertly demoralised for at least 2 generations.

      Yuri Bezmenov…

      I think his videos are in the public domain, Beckk should seriously put these videos up on GBTV.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:38pm

      So now, the Feds can say you’re a part of their CIA-created Al Qaeda arbitrarily, and send a hellfire missile down your chimney or arrest and detain you indefinitely without trial!

      But this isn’t a Police State…go lick some more Nazi boots and call for them to crack down on the OWS protestors some more.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:39pm

      @Ghostofjefferson
      You are exactly right. As a libertarian, i remember warning people about the patriot act and being told by republicans that “if ya ain‘t got nothin’ to hide, then you ain‘t got nothin’ to worry about”. These are the same people who are now running around with Gadsden flags, screaming about the constitution and the founding fathers. As soon as a republican is back in office, they’ll forget all about that constitution stuff.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:54pm

      @dissentnow
      Sadly I was one of those people. However, I have woken up over the past three years, brushed up on history and have read over the Constitution more and more. It is sad to see what what we have lost over the years while sleeping. We no longer own anything outright.. if you don’t pay the tax or fee it can be confiscated. Gun rights threatened, corrupt judges, PC-ism, loss of free speech, Our freedom is hanging from a thread.

      BTW, I really wish I took the “blue pill”.

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:58pm

      Ron Paul looks Kookyer everyday. Got to Love it!

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:23pm

      recoveringneocon

      If you’re really a RECOVERING neocon, then why would you call Ron Paul a kook?

      Everyone on that stage is a neocon EXCEPT Ron Paul…

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    • JC Hedj
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:33pm

      The AMERICAN CITIZEN has no one but ” HIMSELF / HERSELF ” to blame for this loss of FREEDOMS.
      You were too busy Twittering Up your FACEBOOK to pay attention to the corruption of these LAWYERS in Washington DC. Now if you dare to expose them in any form you will be picked up and sent to a prison in a foreign country. Who said Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union of Russia was defeated ?

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    • gpb129
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:39pm

      could not agree with you any more. especially if Ron Paul keeps climbing in the polls. RON PAUL 2012 its a R3VOLUTION BTICHES

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    • gpb129
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:41pm

      Could not agree with you any more esspecially if ron paul keeps climbing in the polls go get em ron ron paul 2012 its a R3VOLUTION sheeple wake up unless you like watching your women cropped your kids getting touched all while they rob you of all your savings through inflation and taxs.

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    • gpb129
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:43pm

      could not agree with you anymore especially if ron paul keeps climbing in the polls. Wake up sheeple unless you like your women and kids getting touched against their rights while your bank account is stolen through inflation and taxes

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    • gpb129
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:44pm

      agree

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:47pm

      Call your police/sheriffs or go to their headquarters and TELL THEM TO JOIN THE OATHKEEPERS.ORG!!!

      THIS IS THE BATTLE OF LIBERTY!

      EXTREMISM IN DEFENSE OF LIBERTY IS NO VICE!!!!!

      STAND WITH THE PEOPLE AGAINST TYRANNY!!!!

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:35pm

      Well gee, where have I seen this posted on here – oh thats right I POSTED ABOUT IT. I was posting this story on here for two days and only a few people decided to comment understanding the gravity of this. Many just glazed over it and some laughed at me for posting it.

      Didn’t BIG SIS, Joe ‘Plugs’ Biden and others try to paint the Tea Parties and libertarians as terrorists. How dare you put a Gadsden Flag bumper sticker on your car!

      The Constitution already covers treason…

      Article 3 – The Judicial Branch
      Section 3 – Treason

      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

      The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

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    • georgiavietvet
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:43pm

      SMOKEY_BOJANGLES………………….amen brother. its coming and its up to us constitution,bill of rights, capitalism lovers to stop it either stop it or live in tyranny. its just that simple………………..

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:10pm

      If you’re fed up with the sharia laws such as this one being passed by this communist regime, make a side trip here: http://www.meetup.com/Liberty-Summit/ and make your voice heard.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:12pm

      I’m a grandmother and have never feared our government till now. But, I am ready to fight for our country. I will not stand by and see it destroyed!!!!! I am prepared.

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    • DMONIC
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:23pm

      Agreed, but I still havent been visited by the MIB. SHoot, Lord knows ive put that BS runmor to the test! LOL!!!

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:01pm

      To: V-Man Mace

      There‘s a bunch of us that have come to realize what’s happening. Everybody is shouting, “do something.” Nobody gives good answers as to what to do to fight the tyranny. Sure, we save some food, store some ammo, talk to people (the extremely few that will engage). We write our Representatives….obviously it’s not enough.

      While I appreciate your warnings, give some direction as well.

      ericnnnghm@msn.com

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:07pm

      Jinglebob the original NDDA bill was from lindsey ghram and john mccaine. thats just naming the american homeland as the battlefield. and saying that american citizens can be targeted if they are fighting with the goverment. what this headline says isnt true that you have to be with al qaeda, you could just be pissed at the goverment and they can hold you in dention senters forever. no die process. but hey questioning the goverment is unamerican. shh just keep doing what they say and not as they do.

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    • Jomil48
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:21pm

      To Desentnow: Been looking for you on here, I owe you an apology, I jumped the gun on a something you said a while back, I want to be just as ready to say I am sorry.

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:23pm

      lol? None of what you just said is anywhere in this article.

      There is a fine line between… well actually no, there is a rather large line between Concerned Civilian and Paranoid Schizophrenic, but you somehow managed to jump that gap in a single bound.

      I don‘t see how this ruling is much different than Bush’s patriot act where one need not even be labeled a “terrorist” before being treated like one.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:37pm

      Congress didn’t do this. But an out of control government did. Congress gave administrative and cabinet appointees a pass. Mostly because the POTUS was a (half) black man and they didn’t want to suffer the slings and arrows of claims of racism. It’s FAR easier to abstain than to to stand for right and truth.

      IMHBLO, there is not one single congress person that is worthy of their office. I don’t care how pompous or arrogant or uppity or dismissive they are of questions of their fealty to the ideals of our government.

      Actions speak VOLUMES more than words. (a picture, which is ‘action’, is worth a 1000 of them) and these people (all of them) have demonstrated a decided lack of principle, honor and integrity to the oath of their office, to say the bare minimum about their character.

      We don’t see or hear a serious challenge to the attack (yes, IMHBLO, it “IS” an attack) on our culture. Every single one of them should be denied further privilege of serving Americans and this nation.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:51pm

      @YoungBloodNews
      Yes, I saw your posts on this subject. There are many excellent posts (some with links) on The Blaze and I send them to GB’s team. I have a direct contact to them. It takes less than an hour for them to receive my contact. Then they have to decide if it’s worth following up on and then assign someone the research and verify it and then post it as a story on The Blaze and/or do a bit on the radio show and/or on GBTV including as far back as when Glenn first started on Fox News.
      People like you are very helpful even though you might not know it. Between my own research and the research of others like you, GB’s team will find out about it and broadcast it in some manner. I don’t take any credit and do not want any. I don’t tell them who the information comes from so they can look at it objectively. There are several very good posters on The Blaze that I follow every day. 10th Amendment is another one; too many to list right now. Keep up the good work and when you see or hear something on The Blaze, the radio program or GBTV that you have been posting about for “days”, know that it just might have been YOUR post that led to that story being available for everyone in a more expanded manner. Don’t give up or get discouraged. You are more helpful than you know.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:51pm

      How to recognize a TERRORIST:

      1) Has a Ron Paul bumper sticker.
      2) Owns more than one firearm.
      3) A veteran of Desert Storm
      4) Identifies himself as born-again Christian.
      5) Carries a copy of the U.S. constitution.
      6) Insists on paying in cash.
      7) Purchases MREs or survival gear.
      8) Writes blogs on THE BLAZE.

      For anyone matching this description, send in the name and GPS coordinates to Homeland Security. Your tips will remain anonymous and the dangerous terrorist will be sent to an indeterminate location for an indefinate period of time.

      These terrorists may be guilty of breaking laws that don’t yet exist.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:57pm

      @METAL PATRIOT

      You want to know what to do? Ill help you on this one. The best way to kill the beast is to starve the beast. Solutions can be made in a non-violent way. Gandhi understood this. They need you so much more than you need them – this is what the founders understood and why our government was limited from the beginning (they could have done it differently if they’d wished)

      Philander Knox committed fraud concerning the ratification of the 16th…

      I hope this helps ;)

      @MONK

      I did not know that but thanks for sharing. Im happy to hear mine, as well as others, contributions are not in vain. Im not in this for recognition either, Im just here to wake people up as well as post some witty (to me at least to me) remarks. Keep up your efforts, its helping ;)

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    • your sensei
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:04pm

      It weren’t just libertarians who were screaming about the Patriot Act. Liberals saw it for what it was. And John Yoo for what he was. And Gonzalez for what he was. Shredding the Constitution via FISA and FBI “letters” for the sake of unlawful search and seizure and torture. And yes! Yes! Cheney and Bush for what they were.

      Nice to see you’ve finally caught on, folks. And now you’re catching on to more contemporary charades, like Herb Cain. All that‘s left is you figuring out what Fox News is doing to your souls and you’ll be fully redeemed. Hosannah!

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    • brian8793
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:20pm

      Lay off the weed, you’re trippin!

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    • Lightningman01
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:22pm

      We are ready for martial law.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:25pm

      MetalPatriot

      The Tea Party should meet the OWS Protestors at the Federal Reserve Banks around the country and BRING YOUR GUNS!

      I call for a National Open Carry Day, EVERYDAY, forever.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:46pm

      @MONK

      Want another good story – heres one on Newt, maybe the Blaze will post on it if they are truly unbiased.

      “Congressman Newt Gingrich, the Speaker of the House, proposed legislation that would impose the death penalty for people caught carrying as little as 2 ounces of marijuana. (1996′s HR 4170). He excused his own past marijuana use by explaining that pot smoking ‘was a sign that we were alive and in graduate school in that era.’”” (hat tip to my boy #7371 for sharing this).

      http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=104_cong_bills&docid=f:h4170ih.txt.pdf

      SEC. 2. INCREASED PENALTIES FOR INTERNATIONAL DRUG TRAFFICKING.
      Section 1010 of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 960) is amended by adding at the end the following:

      (e)(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall sentence a person convicted of a violation of subsection (a), consisting of bringing into the United States a mixture or substance— which is described in subsection (b)(1); and (B) in an amount the Attorney General by rule has determined is equal to 100 usual dosage amounts of such mixture or substance; to imprisonment for life without possibility of release. If the defendant has violated this subsection on more than one occasion and the requirements of chapter 228 of title, United States Code, are satisfied, the court shall sentence the defendant to death.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:56pm

      @Smokey_Bojangles You’re 100% right.

      Answer me this, Americans. Who are terrorists?

      DHS labels pro-lifers and veterans as “rightwing extremists”
      http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/04/department-of-homeland-security-label.html

      Obama’s Homeland Security Labels White Americans as Terrorists
      ice-news.net/2011/08/04/obama%E2%80%99s-homeland-security-labels-white-americans-as-terrorists/

      Joe Biden likened TEA Partiers to terrorists
      politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html#ixzz1eV6Eg1R2

      Think again America.

      Don’t forget that Clinton and Bush also unconstitutionally expanded their Executive powers, while we blindly trusted them with such power, which was all a front to control us more. This has been in the making for a long time. Some are only beginning to wake up.

      The Executive Order signed by Bush (May 9, 2007) gave the President the authority to declare an emergency and take over the direction of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments without even consulting Congress.

      “Catastrophic emergency” is loosely defined as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, ECONOMY, or government functions.” wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825

      Why do you think the Left is pushing for mayhem in our streets? Why do you think the FED keeps inflating our dollar and lending U.S. dollars to

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:58pm

      @YoungBloodNews
      Thank you. You mentioned Gandhi in your last post. Here’s something that might cheer you up, if you need any cheering up at all. In 1950, Gandhi and Nehru sent a 26 year old man to the USA to find out about the American Industrial Revolution and to find out if it was something India might want to consider. I studied with that man for about 6 years from 1989 to 1995. This means that between you and Gandhi (Nehru also) there is only a separation of 2 people linking you directly with them both. What I know about Gandhi and Nehru I have heard first hand from the only person they trusted to go to America and report back to them. I know 100′s of stories from all three of them. This is one of the reasons I call myself The-Monk…

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:19pm

      @YoungBloodNews
      I have received your post and verified a secondary link…
      http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=104_cong_bills&docid=f:h4170ih.txt.pdf
      …that confirms your post and will send both links to GB in the next few minutes. GB’s team will receive it at about 7 or 8 am EST and hopefully we will see it on The Blaze in a couple of days.
      How’s that for a reply?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:26pm

      @YoungBloodNews
      Opps… my Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V got messed up. Here’s the secondary link that confirms the link in your post. Sorry….

      http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-104hr4170ih/pdf/BILLS-104hr4170ih.pdf

      It will be sent to GB’s team in a few minutes….

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    • 777patriot
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:26pm

      To see the Farm is to leave it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyszdWSqIY

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:29pm

      And BIll O is fine with it just as he was fine with the military going through NOLA taking people’s weapons – dont remember this?? Check out where bill thinks defending the constitution is a kooky idea
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isd0FlGb_LY
      And defends it
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICoiFBWGX4M&feature=related

      Bill O is a piece of trash and treats the constitution as a piece of trash

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:40pm

      @Your Sensei
      Liberals weren’t against the patriot act as much as they were against Bush and republicans in general. It was all political. Just like how they were anti-war until Obama got elected. Now you don’t hear a peep from the anti-war left even though Obama has doubled the size of the war in Afghanistan and, as a result, troops deaths in Afghanistan have doubled under his watch. He has also launched more drones into Pakistan in two years than Bush launched in 8 years.
      The plain truth is that Obama extended the patriot act without a peep from the liberals. The patriot act is now Obama’s patriot act. Where is the outrage from the left. Obama has also doubled the size of the domestic spy program. Again, without a peep. The outrage from the left during the Bush years was nothing but politics of the lowest kind.
      The libertarians have remained true to their values. They were anti-interventionism when Bush was in office and they are anti-interventionism now that Obama is in office. That is something that the left AND the right can’t say.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:55pm

      @YoungBloodNews
      It took more than a few minutes to get the message typed and sent correctly with both links but, it has been sent directly to the GB team. Give it a few days. It might be on either the radio show, The Blaze and/or GBTV. If I see your story posted I will try my best to let you know. Thanks.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:16am

      @MONK’

      Thanks for the Gandhi story, Im sure you gained much with your interactions thru his US liaison. This brought back my thoughts (that I had formed a while back) that this is not an intelligence issue (oh hes a genius, I cant possibly comprehend it) to it being an a informed issue. So I love quipping back to folks, no Im not intelligent in that regard, just informed. (ie Intelligence implies a superior level of comprehension while informed shows that you can look over things and ingest whats of value…).

      As for BLAZE posting the story, I have my reserves, but will be happy if they bring this to light. If you have ever watched ‘locked up abroad’ you see that many US citizens try to smuggle in the drug for materials gains. Yes they are wrong but NO they do not deserve to die from it – while Pedos like Sandusky roam the street free and other Pedos sentenced can’t get the death penalty because, according to ‘them’, the punishment does not fit the crime….

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    • the hawk
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:29am

      Mace glade to hear from ya 90% of the blazers dont get it !
      I did ask a detective friend of mine to join the oathers he would’nt do it afraid that it might get him in trouble at work. told him if he could not promise to uphold the constition over his orders from comand cent then just go on home….but never come for my guns….he never came back! Think he was more interest in my wife anyway ………………………………….

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    • jzs
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:35am

      The-Monk, maybe you can share with us the beliefs that you and Gandhi had in common. I‘m interested because I haven’t seen one. And your story about studying with the one (according to you) emissary Gandhi sent to America to understand industrialization? Sure. Yeah me too. This is your claim to legitimacy isn’t it?

      Good work doing research for Glenn Beck, something you seem a little ecstatic about reading your posts. Are you paid? You claim and believe you do so much for this website and his show I‘m surprised they don’t pay you. Gonna get a job with him? Seriously how much have you and do you now pay to him for the TV show? No reciprocal gratitude for all the work, all the research you do?

      A-MONK, you are just a little bit manic and have an inflated sense of self-importance. And the biggest sucker I’ve ever seen.

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    • TheWatchmanSeeth
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:39am

      Lets not forget what “Big Sis” said a couple of years back, “that disgruntled veterans returning from iraq and afghanistan are being targeted by right-wing extremist groups.”

      New restrictions on gun ownership and the difficulty of veterans to reintegrate into their communities “could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

      Of course who can forget what the pretender-in-chief said about us mind-our-own-business folks, “we who cling to our guns and bibles.”

      And last but not least what about that campain speech before he got elected?
      “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We‘ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

      Yes folks, right about now martial law is strapping her boots on.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:15am

      Don‘t say you weren’t warned…

      Military conducts drill to confront riots
      youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E

      US troops training for “urban warfare”
      youtube.com/watch?v=1hglvE0QTAY

      Military training to shutdown US cities
      youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ

      Troops sent in after Katrina
      youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA

      Police and National Guard confiscate guns after Katrina
      youtube.com/watch?v=1Njg4eB_Mfk

      Don’t forget the TSA checkpoints. They sure as heck know somethings coming. Be prepared. Do your research. Well… They’ve at least been planning for it, while most Americans have been asleep.

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    • PCistheDevil
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:20am

      Screw it, lets impeach Barry. No other president would of gotten away with a quarter of what he has done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK1c5F1gy4

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    • recoveringneocon
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:29am

      @Vman
      I was being Sarcastic,sorry. Paul has been warning us and here it is, as they call him a KOOK.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:57am

      Shills gonna SHILL!

      I have debunked you mofos before and will not waste more time on itl

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 2:12am

      @jzs
      Hello JeZuS,
      I’m so glad you decided to come out of your shell and play. Where have you been? You asked… I’m answering;
      “Maybe you can share with us the beliefs that you and Gandhi had in common?”
      Sorry JeZuS… Monks don’t believe in belief.
      “I‘m interested because I haven’t one.”
      Try looking in your mirror.
      “This is your claim to legitimacy isn’t it?”
      I never claimed any legitimacy.
      “Good work doing research for Glenn Beck, something you seem a little ecstatic about reading your posts. Are you paid?”
      Of course I’m paid, just not in $$$. I’m paid in the understanding that a$$ holes like you will want to knock my door down to get at my food supply and I have the knowledge to kick your skinny little @ss all the way back to your hole in the ground.
      “Gonna get a job with him? ”
      I don’t need Glenn to support me with a job. Glenn has shown me how to Live without needing anything from him.
      “Seriously how much have you and do you now pay to him for the TV show?”
      I gave $275 to the SOWF in the last year, I pay well over $100 per month for an Internet connection, rent, electric, water, gas, sewage and food add up to bunch of $$$. I give Glenn $4.99 per month to access his GBTV website. Glenn is the cheapest bill I have.
      The time I spent answering your stupid questions cost me more than 3 months of GBTV. You are a waste of time and money. Glenn is a benefit beyond your comprehension or intellect.
      Any other questions JeZuS?

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:09pm

      New definition, Terrorist: Anyone who speaks out, donates money or votes against King Barry

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges05
      Posted on December 3, 2011 at 4:37am

      “Top Gov. Lawyers: U.S. Citizens Can Be Military Targets Without Trial”

      Oops. Pardon our typos. This headline should’ve read:
      “Top Constitutional Lawyers: Gov. Tyranny Can Be Liberty’s Targets Without Trial”

      Keep your powder dry, patriots.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 3, 2011 at 9:17pm

      Yo V-man
      Asked if you were a believer… you said yes, like how could I not see that. Maybe you and I have a different understanding of what a “believer ” is. Jesus never said, “lets go kick some neocon (whatever that is) peoples butt down at the bank with the smelly ones. After that lets go to Dunkin Donuts and shut it down so the police can’t get breakfast. Come on you boot lickin punks”. Please correct me if I am wrong about Jesus, or you for that matter.

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  • bigbear_awake
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:34pm

    and we pay for what UNDER the WHITE HOUSE???????

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:14pm

      New long term shelter to be used when they start the “Population Elimination” project.

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  • raybojabo
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:30pm

    Now we know why they took our GPS coordinates with the census.

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:36pm

      what a bunch of cowards. The terroists win now. Nice job USA

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:01pm

      Yes we do .. and some of us were “crazy” to think that they could be up to anything bad …. geez I wish I would stop being right!

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  • momrules
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:28pm

    This has been on other sites for a number of days now. I’ve posted about it several times now. It is called the National Defense Authorization Act and it pretty much give the Executive branch of government the right to arrest and detain without trial anyone they deem a terrorist.

    The Senate rejected the Udall amendment which was an attempt to weaken section 1031 of the NDAA which basically will turn the whole country into a battlefield. Americans will be stripped of their constitutional rights and Posse Comitatus will cease to exist.

    The Senate is voting on NDAA today.

    Prisonplanet.com has had great information about this for days now.

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:46pm

      I tried sticking it in stories on the blaze.Sometimes it went on,sometimes it did not.My Republican Rep. Richard Burr whom I have supported since he first ran,voted for it. He will NEVER get another vote from me.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:56pm

      And Obama has promissed to veto the Bill if that passage is not removed. The article here on the blaze does not regard DOMESTIC us of the military, but us of the military on foreign fields, a world of difference. Constitutional protects do not extend past the shors of the US.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:01pm

      Guess all of us not in favor of Dear Leader can expect to be shipped off to our nearest FEMA camp any day now since OBVIOUSLY we’re all domestic terrorists……

      Hey, AttackWatch, you got all of our address, IP and otherwise, in your system yet? When will you start knocking on doors, ya bunch of goons?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:11pm

      @Enicom

      False. Your rights are inalienable, first off. Secondly, why do you think the U.S. asks foreign states for extradition when a person flees to a foreign country, instead of just assassinating him? Have you even *read* the Constitution?

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:33pm

      GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:11pm
      @Enicom

      False. Your rights are inalienable, first off. Secondly, why do you think the U.S. asks foreign states for extradition when a person flees to a foreign country, instead of just assassinating him? Have you even *read* the Constitution?
      _____________________
      Just becuase 99% we ask for extradiction does not mean we have to. Yes, I have read the Constitution and the case law associated with it, the Constitution does not extend past our borders (the W. argument for Gitmo was to get away from the Constitution). The courts have held that 4th and 5th amendment protection do not extend past the borders. There is no right to due process when you leave the US.

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    • UFOCPrez
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:10pm

      @encinom The Bill of Rights applies to the Federal Government, not people. It defines what the Federal government cannot do. My rights are inalienable and were NOT granted to me by another human being, hence they have no boundaries. Keeping terrorists at Gitmo is about detaining foreign enemy combatants, not Americans.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:15pm

      @Encinom aka Monicne… Just because America has the BoR does not negate the rest of the world from having the same rights. “Rights” are rights regardless where someone lives. Every person on the planet has the same rights- ours are just delineated to remind the gov who we are.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:20pm

      I see Beck has confused the Beckerheads. The courts have found 4th and 5th amendment (due process) rights do not follow citizens past the borders. Rights are not divine, rights comes from the social contract we call the Constitution and from the understanding of it from generation to generation.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:54pm

      @encinom

      Virginia Declaration of Rights 1776

      SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

      SEC. 2. That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants and at all times amenable to them.

      Declaration of Independence 1776

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

      The Law by Frédéric Bastiat

      Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.

       
    • Wolf
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 6:30pm

      Encimon says, “…Rights are not divine, rights comes from the social contract we call the Constitution and from the understanding of it from generation to generation…”
      Umm, are you brain dead or just floating above the planet with your drugs? What ‘right’ do you have that God removed from any other person on the planet? Just because we Americans have the DoI, Constitution and BoR, does not in any way separate the rest of creation from the same God-given rights.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:21pm

    Where are the Deitrick Bonhoffers?

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:51pm

      Most of the Marxists in America today are in the White House.. The others are usally around NYC. Seems they all left Russia and came to America… lol

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    • countrysideflair
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:33pm

      They have been deemed terrorists and are being held without bail in dank, dark cell, at an undisclosed government facility… Nothing to see here… Move along.

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  • Moozmom
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:16pm

    I believe federal government employees, president, congressional members, judiciary, czars, support staff, lobbyists quality as citizens. Seems that treasonous paths are in place to bring down this nation. We all know progressives want to change this nation to a marxist nation and member of a world government (or open system as Soros says) and are in bed with communists, socialists, and radical islamists to make this happen. Treason!! Call the military!

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    • bigbear_awake
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:32pm

      ALong with OWS backers and the like
      they want to overthrow the system

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    • Rayblue
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:08pm

      I agree moozmom…They should first have preliminary strikes against themselves.
      If this bill is in force when the Obama socialists are removed, then they will be legitimate targets for providing arms to drug cartels, aid and comfort to the enemy and covert war against the American people.

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  • encinom
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:13pm

    Beckerheads have zero ability to understand what they have read. Pentagon and CIA lawyers answered a question in the context of a US Citizen outside of the US activiely engaged to actions to aid a terrorist group. This has nothing to do with actions taken domestically, Obama has said he will veto the Defense Act going through COngress that would grant the President such domestic power.

    Beckerheads need to read more than FOx News and the Blaze, it is rotting your collective brains.

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    • momrules
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:31pm

      You are an idiot.

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:40pm

      Obamarectaldwellers have zero ability to understand what they have read. Then again, most of these people view the Constitution as outdated, evil, pointless, etc. They do not see the need for justice to be applied to fellow citizens they deem “enemies”. Seriously Encinom, do you not believe in “Justice for all”? If the obviously evil and guilty bad guys don’t have any rights, then why the hell do we even have a justice system?! Why not just go out and hang them all?

      The lawyers have basically said that el presidente has unilateral power in determining who among his citizenry lives and who dies. This is like a nightmare, and you still don’t get it? Screw context – words matter!

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:42pm

      yes you truly are an idiot. complaining about the blaze you cannot stay away from. go play with your friends at huffpo or mediamatters if the blaze is so annoying to you

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:43pm

      “Pentagon and CIA lawyers answered a question in the context of a US Citizen outside of the US activiely engaged to actions to aid a terrorist group. This has nothing to do with actions taken domestically,”

      I frankly don’t care where it happens; the executive branch should not have unchecked authority to order the killing of American citizens without a trial. It goes against everything we stand for. For all our advanced weaponry, we’re effectively given carte blanche to the president (ANY president) to kill US citizens.

      One dying in the heat of battle is one thing. One dying by a order of a single person without the right of a trial by his peers is an entirely different one, and it something I am very much against.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:53pm

      @LOcked

      Here is the difference, they were in a foriegn land, this was not a domestic matter. The Constitution grants the President vast powers over the military and foreign affairs. IS your arguement that an americna fighting for a foreign force against the US can be killed on the battlefield, but if he leaves the battle field for a rear command position, the President needs court approval?

      Most of the Beckerhead do not understand the issues and think this is regarding a domestic policy. Hell most Beckerheads believe that Beck is honest.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:57pm

      It’s this easy E-com. If you’re a U.S. citizen, you’re entitled by right to a trial in a court of law. Only dictatorships claim an explicit “right” to kill its own citizens by executive decree, no matter the context (in or outside the U.S.).

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:00pm

      @Kankokage

      Do you realize that this is about the use of the Military on foreign shores, not domestic. The Constitution’s reach ends at the US boarders. Additionally, the Contitution grants the President broad powers in Foreign and Military affiars. Americna citizens that leave the country to fight for foreign foes leave behind many of the their protections. Whether they are on the battlefield or is rear command positions, they are targets like any other fighter would be.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:02pm

      GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:57pm
      It’s this easy E-com. If you’re a U.S. citizen, you’re entitled by right to a trial in a court of law. Only dictatorships claim an explicit “right” to kill its own citizens by executive decree, no matter the context (in or outside the U.S.).
      ___________________
      So prior to engagment the US military must ask each combatent if they are Americans?

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    • 912er
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:02pm

      So American citizens can be targeted without a trial, but, non-citizens must be read their miranda rights… I dont get it…

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:20pm

      Actually it doesn’t differentiate inside or outside the US, only if they take up arms. al-Awlaki did not take up arms he just printed and posted propaganda against the US urging others to take up arms against the US, kind of like the left wingers and OWS crowd. Your citizenship doesn’t end when you leave the US.

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    • encinom
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:21pm

      912er
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:02pm
      So American citizens can be targeted without a trial, but, non-citizens must be read their miranda rights… I dont get it…
      _____________________________
      The article is about fighters on foreign battlefields, no miranda rights.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:21pm

      @Encinom

      Ah, but you see, this bill explicitly assumes that the President *KNOWS* the name/identity of the person the hit would be ordered against, ergo, your statement is a non-sequitur.

      Your rights do not end when you cross the border, as far as what the U.S. government can or cannot do to you. Whomever told you that pulled a fast one on you.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:30pm

      @Encinom

      “Here is the difference, they were in a foriegn land, this was not a domestic matter. The Constitution grants the President vast powers over the military and foreign affairs.”

      The Constitution makes no explicit difference between how the executive branch can treat a US citizen within or without of its borders. The “vast powers” certainly do not say “includes the unchecked ability to order the death of a US citizen once outside the borders of US territory.” Hence, I hope a case gets to the Supreme Court so they can give an official interpretation that hopefully limits the power that the executive branch is abusing.

      If the SCotUS comes out and says “Well, sure, they can do that,” I won’t be happy about it, but I‘ll agree they’re following the law of the land. Right now it’s incredibly up in the air and nothing has been decided.

      Just to make sure, you’d be fine with Bush ordering targeted killings on US citizens outside of the country as well? Or any non-Democratic president? I don‘t think it’s right no matter what party they belong to.

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    • fatjack
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:32pm

      “Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:33pm

      @Encinom

      “So prior to engagment the US military must ask each combatent if they are Americans?”

      I know it wasn’t directed at me, but that’s not the situation. Nice strawman argument, though. No, prior to issuing a targeted individual killed, that individual (who is known to the president, as he’s ordering a select killing) is due his rights as a US citizen. That includes a trial.

      If the citizen is a combatant in an engagement and dies during it, that happens. If he’s captured, he should be tried back in the US. But the president (ANY president) should not have the unchecked power to order a specific US citizen killed.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:41pm

      The 5th amendment says “persons”. We do not have the right to execute anyone by executive orders outside or inside the United States. Congress through a declaration of war defines who/what/where we are fighting. This has yet to be declared.

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:00pm

      Citizens do not cease to be citizens just because they leave the country, Encinom. If they leave and become terrorists, or if they are a criminal on the run, it does not matter. They are still citizens, and under the Constitution, for better or for worse, their rights to due process are still protected. Dance all around it if you want, but the Obama administration is guilty of murder of one of our own citizens. If this guy was charging at our soldiers with guns a blazing, that is one thing, but he wasn’t. He was at home, making propaganda, when the drone attack hit. He did not have a chance to surrender.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:22pm

      Monicne asks, “…So prior to engagment the US military must ask each combatent if they are Americans?…”
      as though reading Miranda rights to enemy combatants isn’t already being done in Afghanistan and Iraq? Maybe you should spend more time reading than shooting off your mouth, Fool.

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    • RantNationDotCom
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:48pm

      @encincom:

      This law does not only apply to citizens overseas. Here is an article from the Daily Caller that quotes Lindsey Graham:

      Commenting on the controversial Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act — which many contend gives the federal government new powers to arrest American citizens without charge — Graham made clear this week that “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”

      Notice the “including the homeland” quote?

      Read more: dailycaller.com/2011/12/02/the-terrorists-have-won/#ixzz1fJVt9zbj

      You are either misinformed or lying. So, which is it?

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:10pm

    Who decides if you are ‘at war’ with the US ? Who concludes what ‘at war’ means ? Do people like ‘bwahnee Fwank’ decide if you are an enemy or not? The question is “is the US government at war with it’s people”? I count it as an honor if the obama government deems me an enemy.

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  • DrFrost
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:07pm

    This guy joined a terrorist organization and plotted against our country. In this specific instance, I think they did the right thing. What I, and I think many others, are concerned about is this power being abused in the future. There needs to be a formal process to declare a citizen a traitor, with well defined legal boundaries, reviewed and approved PREFERABLY by federal judges.

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    • TRILO
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:15pm

      There is a formal process to declare a citizen a traitor…. it is called the CONSTITUTION AND A TRIAL by one’s peers, not an executive order by a President.

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:16pm

      There is a difference between an errant citizen being killed in the heat of battle and being assassinated. They could have captured him alive and given him due process. Killing citizens without even a hint of due process is what most people call murder. Just because the person was “really really bad” doesn‘t mean they don’t have rights.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:18pm

      I have more than 7 days worth of food, several guns, lots of ammo and I no longer trust my government. I am outspoken here as well as other places. Will I be a target someday…you bet!

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    • Alucard
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:31pm

      As much as I wanted to see this guy get what he deserved we can’t go down this path or we open it up to be abused. What happens when we have a President that wants to take out his political opposition? We really aren’t that far from this.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:50pm

      To Kankokcage

      You are willing to send US military into Yemen. I guess you consider these guys as expendable.

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    • gdbhusker
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:51pm

      Show me the proof gathered by the Government after they filed charges or terrorism OR treason…. sorry they don’t have them…they said he was a terrorist, americans believe it and cheer his death……until they say uncle fred is a terrorist, or grandpa john… or mom, dad, brothers and sisters… where does this line of thinking come from… If this guy was a “terrorist, then charge him, prove it, and give him the full extent of the law(death)…but as a citizen.. he has the RIGHT to defend the claims… if you don’t speak up for those you dis-agree with..then who in the world will speak for you??? we are AMERICANS not NAZI’s… we have the rule of LAW!!!!!! jeesh!!!! I thought everyone knew that!

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Dismayed: First, what in the hell are you even saying? Because I oppose the assassination of US citizens without trial I am apparently for the secretive application of US forces into Yemen? No, no I am not. For all the times you and I have hung out and shot the breeze, I’m surprised you would say such asininity. Second…no, I’m just gonna stick with the first point. What in the hell are you even saying?!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:59pm

      Trial and due process is the *only* constitutional remedy for what you describe. Just because you don’t like the guy, or found the action gave you a little thrill, doesn‘t mean that it’s right. If they can order the assassination of one American citizen, they can order it on you too. Once you let that horse out of the barn, it’s over.

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:04pm

      Okay I think I figured out what you are saying. Since the guy was in Yemen, in order to stop his treachery we had to drone him. Since we “secretly” already had military in Yemen (as reported by the NYTimes) why could they not have captured him? If we can swoop in and waste OBL without any American losses, why couldn’t we do the same here? Furthermore, wouldn’t capturing this guy be one of the duties normally undertaken by the Military?

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:12pm

      @DRFROST,

      So you want a judge to determine it? Do you agree with 4 of the 9 federal judges that say individuals don’t have a right to own a gun?

      The 5th amendment protects “persons” (due process), this means we cannot willy-nilly execute ANYBODY by executive orders, in or out of the country.

      War must be declared by congress through a proper constitutional declaration – this has not been done.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:27pm

      Kank

      I am saying that the alternatives to fragging this guy are (1) do nothing or (2) send troops to arrest him. Alternative 2 has a big downside namely troops in harms way in an unfriendly country.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 6:46pm

      DRFrost… IF you read the Constitution, you’ll see there is already a law in effect on how to try traitors.
      I have no love for Alawaki and his sort, but I have more respect for him than for ANY of the traitors siting in DC making unConstitutional laws and shoving them down our throat all in effort to enslave us more. Further, to entrust our freedoms to SCOTUS is contra the Constitution as well. It isn’t their job to decide the laws, it’s their job to enforce the Constitution. Not that you‘ll see the distinction since you seem to’ve swallowed the Public School 101 version of the SC.

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  • Boomer52
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:06pm

    I am a:
    1. A PROUD American.
    2. Have taken the oath to “…protect the Constitution against ALL enemies foregin AND domsetic…”(sp) three times USN, FAA and the US Census folks
    3. A TEA Party member.

    Here is I is..Come ‘n git me!!

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:15pm

      My thoughts exactly this is a law that would allow them to detain and convict citizens that have had enough of the Federal Government stomping on OUR CONSTITUTION.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:16pm

      Law enforcement or active military who will be commited teams to bring in their man will not care one wit your former affiliations, decorations and or oaths to this country. The kill or capture order will come and those people earning and needing that paycheck will go forth to get you and I. I’ve taken the same oaths as well, they will not care. We are entering dangerous waters indeed.

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    • Bluedog78
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:34pm

      So Boomer, what you’re saying is that this Al-Quaida guy loves America and the Constitution as much as you do and that’s why he was killed?

      Psst, Boomer, nobody in the govt knows who you are or cares that you exist, sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but somebody had to do it! ;-)

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  • Kankokage
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:06pm

    This is a textbook example of a “Slippery Slope”. If the President can decide who among our citizenry is an enemy to the state, and then exact death upon that enemy without due process, then said President has become tyrannical. DHS has already declared militia members, Tea Partiers, veterans, CCW holders, and those who frequently discuss the Constitution as “domestic terrorists”. Are they next?

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:17pm

      This is Revolution deterant an nothing more. Our Government is fast becoming an enemy of the Republic.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:25pm

      We are indeed,this Marxist president’s regime is antithetical to the constitution and bill of rights.We are witnessing the birth of a tyrant,and if we do have an election in 12 we better make good use of it and fire the Marxist in chief and remove his stasi style regime.

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  • boone b
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:05pm

    thats ok…goverment can be targeted with out due process also…by the people

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  • Stevsea
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:03pm

    The Federal government is obviously enemy #1 against America. They took an oath to defend the Country/Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic just like the military does. The Military is honorably holding up to that.

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    • Br@dley
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:08pm

      guess who warned about this kind of government tyranny…..

      i’ll give you a hint, he is dubious of a border fence with mexico because it might be used to “keep us in”.

      wake up people
      Ron Paul 2012

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:14pm

      Uh Steve, The military swears an oath to protect and defend the president and follow his orders also… You know kind of like they did when they rounded up Citizens for Lincoln and citizens for FDR. I love the Military as much as the next guy, but they will kick in your door if BO tells them to, just sayin’.

      PS: I hope you are posting from a library computer…

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    • RLTW
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:28pm

      Unfortunately the military is quietly being systematically taken apart, in the combat arms field approximately 9 out of 10 soldiers are being forced out after one term, Soldiers with PTSD who self-medicate in order deal with stress and reintegration are being thrown out like trash regardless of honorable time served.
      The cuts will ultimately draw down to post WWII numbers, a loss of continuity and moral will collapse the Force. The progressive social engineering is now embedded in the pentagon.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 6:35pm

      @ OOKSPAY… wrong, Oops- we take an oath to defend the Constitution, not the president. Not that the majority will even come close to upholding that oath- as is being demonstrated by the CONgress and LEOs nationwide.

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  • Drum Man
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:02pm

    Obama is an enemy combatant. Start and finish there.

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    • Br@dley
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:12pm

      the bush administration laid the foundation for this kind of police state sir.
      see the continuity of government and patriot act.
      it’s not democrat vs republican, it is them vs US.
      ron paul is the only anti-establishment candidate running. do the right thing sir.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:17pm

      I agree with the person who responded. This is an expanding reach of the executive branch, and not divided by political party. Bush’s policies have been carried on by Obama, but they’ve always been (what I consider) unconstitutional policies. I hope the Supreme Court has a chance to rule on a case about this before things get any worse.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:19pm

      Yep! Your definitely now on the list.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:02pm

    Or if they oppose the policies of this administration… Or if they are Tea Party folks.. Or if they dont pay their fair share… Or if they disagree with having troops in 138 countries while leaving our southern border wide open, or if they want to control illegal immigration in their communities, or if they question payoffs to SOLYNDRA or if they think the F/@&king federal Govt should be cut by 75 % or or or or or … Silence from our liberal watchdogs at ACLU ? sorry make that lapdogs… So sad.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:08pm

      First this will start with citizens acting as terrorists in foreign countries, then it will evolve into Obama and his buddies taking out people here. One day soon, everyone will be a potential target….political rivals, patriots exercising free speech, people he just doesn’t like…….nothing good will come from this.

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:13pm

      I believe the ACLU is trying to get the government to release the legal standard they’re using to classify people as traitors. But, in general, in my lifetime the ACLU has been on the wrong side as often or more often than they have been on the right side of issues… IMO. I certainly wouldn’t count on them on any particular issue.

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    • johnlee
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:46pm

      This madness must ceased. People outside the BLAZE must gain the truth, somehow, someway.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:02pm

    It is now official, Mr Obama has crossed the line and now each and every member of the nation who is deemed by the admin — Napoletano, Hillary, Obama on down, to be an ‘enemy of the state’ or a ‘domestic terrorist’ and the like can be slain without due process.

    Now Mr Obama is a true usurper in all but formal declaration. Barring a intervention by God to restrain Obama, we will soon face civil war.

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    • Vickie Dhaene
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:29pm

      I am in agreement totally Snow. They have just declared War against the Citizens of The United States of America.
      This administration and it’s cohorts need to be stopped before this gets to a point of Civil War.
      IMPEACH, IMPRISON, AND PLACE THEM IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:33pm

      I see you’re still itching for a fight there Snowy. It is obvious you don’t care about the actual facts, you’ll twist this into whatever you want to justify your anarchically point of view. There’s not enough tin foil in the world for you is there?

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:45pm

      Ah yes, the obligatory “conservatives are crazy” card. Remember, 2+2 isn’t 4 – its whatever the State says it is. Saying there isn’t anything in this story is like the local cop standing in front of a 5-car pileup with blood and gore, all while yelling at the passersby that “there’s nothing to see here, folks. Move along, move along”.

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    • Mike Templewind
      Posted on December 4, 2011 at 11:56pm

      They also tried to pass an amendment to this bill which would (get this) KEEP IMPRISONED AMERICANS WHO WERE FOUND NOT GUILTY IN PRISON UNTIL THE WAR ON TERROR OFFICIALLY ENDED!!! This really tells you where many of our elected representatives are really at. I strongly believe some charges of treason are in order, starting with Holder, and impeachment of an unerican president!

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  • Cherynn
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:58pm

    “Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.” This is EXACTLY how Hitler operated. It is kind of good news though because history has proved he wasnt as smart as he thought he was. Too bad it took millions of lives to prove that point. Der Fuehrer still hasnt figured out he is naked yet.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on December 2, 2011 at 5:26pm

      Congress declares war. The POTUS executes the declaration as Commander-in-Chief. Our problem is stopped declaring war after the end of WWII. Why we did not declare war immediately after 9/11 is beyond me. I understand that Al Quieda is not a nation state. Just warn the world that any nation state that harbors them is at risk of significant military action on the part of the US. That idiot Bush didn’t have the cojones to do it. And Congress did not have the cojones to ask him to do it..

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  • G.E.R
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:57pm

    A enemy is a enemy foreign or domestic makes no difference

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:06pm

      False. Bad is bad, but bad Americans have a legal system that is Constitutionally mandated to be used. You don’t get to pick and choose what you want to follow with the Constitution, and if you start doing that, you’ve lost the whole thing.

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  • IMPEACHBHO
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:57pm

    Freedom and our constitution must stand. 15 mandates for our politicians

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kqVZUCRth0

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  • Locked
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:55pm

    “Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.”

    (Sharp intake of breath)

    I disagree, and hope the Supreme Court eventually gets the chance to rule on, and against, this line of thinking.

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  • randy
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:54pm

    Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.

    Scary ****

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    • George Patton
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:51pm

      Does anyone here have a problem with the executive branch killing combatants in a foreign country while on a battlefield, even if they are american citizens? I don’t have a problem with that. I do have a problem with it happening within our borders though. We don’t really want US soldiers in afghanistan to check ID before they shoot back at people shooting at them.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:46pm

      Patton, glad you could join in.

      The entire point is this putting the focus ‘inside our own border’, growing into even more of a police state then it already is. VIPR checkpoints coupled with this, and many other bad decisions that have been made to shred whats left of our rights and liberties.

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  • Talastan
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:53pm

    How long till We the People begin to be designated targets? Watch out Tea Party if Obama gets reelected.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:37pm

      Why are you worried? Are you planning on joining al-Qaida and moving to Yemen? If so I can understand your concern, if not then just continue to enjoy hording gold and survivor seeds.

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    • Countrygirl1362
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:05pm

      Thought they already were being targeted.

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    • fatjack
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:41pm

      SimpleTruths, go back to sleep darling, you are just having a bad dream.

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  • Rogue
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:51pm

    Let me guess. Obama gets to personally decide what constitutes an “act of war” against the USA.

    NOW I understand why “attackwatch.com” was started!

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    • Talastan
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:54pm

      No President should have this power. Period. Right or Left this is the start of a potential tryanny.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:46pm

      Hmm. I don’t fear the terrorists. Or anyone that can destroy the body for that matter.

      Only He who can destroy the soul.

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  • dlivelli
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:50pm

    CONSTITUTION??????………that thing is so old and so out of touch………I mean you can’t ever read it anymore, it is so faded! Let’s just put it in a drawer and not worry about it.

    DISGUSTING and FRIGHTENING…….at least!!!

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:48pm

    So, what do REAL USA citizens do when the government of our country is at war with our Constitution, our Heritage, our GOD-blessed foundation? Hmmmmmmm??????

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    • gdbhusker
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:08pm

      they take up arms and refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants…….at least thats what Jefferson says we are to do……. but he was just an old rich , white guy right???? (serious sarcasm intended)…. our republic has faded, and is on life support….we sit back and gripe about the tiniest of things while all we are, love, and cherish is dying…… is it because of political correctness? do we not speak in public out of fear of being labeled a racist?? God help us….. go Ron Paul, go….

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:49pm

      That’s right, you refresh the tree with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It’s its natural manure.

      And I’ll tell you, and a lot of the readers here will tell you, I’M FULL OF IT!!!!

      BRING IT ON YOU NAZIS!!!!

      YEA!!!!!

      TEA!

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:30pm

      For those who’re fed up with the communists, socialists, muslims runing this country, go here:
      http://www.meetup.com/Liberty-Summit

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