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Trial Begins for Former NASA Employee Alleging That Wrongful Termination Came for Support of Intelligent Design

Trial Begins for Former NASA Employee Alleging That Wrongful Termination Came for Support of Intelligent Design

(AP) — NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory has landed robotic explorers on the surface of Mars, sent probes to outer planets and operates a worldwide network of antennas that communicates with interplanetary spacecraft.

Its latest mission is defending itself in a workplace lawsuit filed by a former computer specialist who claims he was demoted – and then let go – for promoting his views on intelligent design, the belief that a higher power must have had a hand in creation because life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone.

David Coppedge, who worked as a “team lead” on the Cassini mission exploring Saturn and its many moons, alleges that he was discriminated against because he engaged his co-workers in conversations about intelligent design and handed out DVDs on the idea while at work. Coppedge lost his “team lead” title in 2009 and was let go last year after 15 years on the mission.

Opening statements are expected to begin Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court after two years of legal wrangling in a case that has generated interest among supporters of intelligent design. The Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian civil rights group, and the Discovery Institute, a proponent of intelligent design, are both supporting Coppedge’s case.

“It’s part of a pattern. There is basically a war on anyone who dissents from Darwin and we’ve seen that for several years,” said John West, associate director of Center for Science and Culture at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute. “This is free speech, freedom of conscience 101.”

The National Center for Science Education, which rejects intelligent design as thinly veiled creationism, is also watching the case and has posted all the legal filings on its website.

“It would be unfortunate if the court took what seems to be a fairly straightforward employment law case and allowed it to become this tangled mess of trying to adjudicate scientific matters,” said Josh Rosenau, NCSE’s programs and policy director. “It looks like a pretty straightforward case. The mission that he was working on was winding down and he was laid off.”

Coppedge’s attorney, William Becker, says his client was singled out by his bosses because they perceived his belief in intelligent design to be religious. Coppedge had a reputation around JPL as an evangelical Christian and other interactions with co-workers led some to label him as a Christian conservative, Becker said.

In the lawsuit, Coppedge says he believes other things also led to his demotion, including his support for a state ballot measure that sought to define marriage as limited to heterosexual couples and his request to rename the annual holiday party a “Christmas party.”

“David had this reputation for being a Christian, for being a practicing one. He did not go around evangelizing or proselytizing. But if he found out that someone was a Christian he would say, `Oh that’s interesting, what denomination are you?’” Becker said.

“He’s not apologizing for who he is. He’s an evangelical Christian.”

In an emailed statement, JPL dismissed Coppedge’s claims. In court papers, lawyers for the California Institute of Technology, which manages JPL for NASA, said Coppedge received a written warning because his co-workers complained of harassment. They also said Coppedge lost his “team lead” status because of ongoing conflicts with others.

Caltech lawyers contend Coppedge was one of two Cassini technicians and among 246 JPL employees let go last year due to planned budget cuts.

While the case has attracted interest because of the controversial nature of intelligent design, it is at its heart a straightforward discrimination case, said Eugene Volokh, a professor of First Amendment law at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.

“The question is whether the plaintiff was fired simply because he was wasting people’s time and bothering them in ways that would have led him to being fired regardless of whether it was about religion or whether he was treated worse based on the religiosity of his beliefs,” said Volokh. “If he can show that, then he’s got a good case.”

Coppedge, who began working for JPL as a contractor in 1996 and was hired in 2003, is active in the intelligent design sphere and runs a website that interprets scientific discoveries through the lens of intelligent design. His father authored an anti-evolution book and founded a Christian outreach group.

He is also a board member for Illustra Media, a company that produces video documentaries examining the scientific evidence for intelligent design. The company produces the videos that Coppedge was handing out to co-workers, said Becker, his attorney.

His main duties at JPL were to maintain computer networks and troubleshoot technical problems for the mission. In 2000, he was named “team lead,” serving as a liaison between technicians and managers for nearly a decade before being demoted in 2009.

He sued in April 2010 alleging religious discrimination, retaliation and harassment and amended his suit to include wrongful termination after losing his job last year.

Coppedge is seeking attorney’s fees and costs, damages for wrongful termination and a statement from the judge that his rights were violated, said Becker.

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  • run4thehills
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 11:25pm

    Without the universe, there would be no design, intelligence or anything….

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  • Free2speakRN
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 11:20pm

    Everything in the universe has a design. This universal inflation occuring has design, be it dark energy, maybe a remnant of the big bang, or something else. The known universe itself has a contraversial design to it. Design is an idea that has come to fruition as a form in the mind, and the fruition of the design is the truth of it existing and working. We see it in our own creative ideas. A car, a football, TV, any invention, the light bulb.

    Also, does a design exist before man thinks of it? If nothing is ever communicated, does the design of a lone man still exist in space after that man died? Does the design exist outside of the mind of man? Is the truth of the ‘design in itself’ still actual, yet not ‘known’.

    Of course, this is metaphysical. Aristotle deduced the possibility of One God. Just because something is metaphysical, doesn’t mean it is necessarily wrong. And abandoned at that. Sometimes these physicists and wanabes, make me wonder how open they really are to science.

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    • Zeb
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 12:17pm

      Good thoughts here are some more.

      William Provine: No gods, no life after death, no ultimate foundation for ethics, no alternate meaning in life, and no human free will… are all deeply connected to an evolutionary perspective.

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  • mr.goodvibe
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 11:08pm

    It is funny how the three major religions all get their creation stories from the same place. Akkadian and Sumerian texts. If you do the research like Zecharia Sitchin you will find some very eye opening facts that explain much of the questions science and religion have about the creation of earth and man, the evolutionary leap in mans evolution, the deluge, the gods of ancient times, the pyramids. Science is proving the creation stories it is just the wording and our perception of God that complicates it.

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 11:00pm

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/quotes

    Some of the best quotes about Darwinism yet.

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:38pm

    When people haven’t been criticized in a long time they react with a great deal of indignation when they’re criticized for the first time. It’s human nature. Put yourself in the position of a Daniel Dennett or a Richard Dawkins who are used to being the regnant priests of a powerful orthodoxy, and for the first time in their lives someone says, “Hey, you guys are simply not credible.” Of course they’re going to react with outrage and indignation, hurl imprecations at others, resort to objurgations…
    David Berlinski
    And resort to firing folks who disagree with them….
    Another quote-
    …appraising Darwinian theory in the context that realistically portrays it for what it is: a kind of amusing 19th century collection of anecdotes that is utterly unlike anything you see in the serious sciences… Yeah, biologists do agree that this is the correct theory for the origin and diversification of life — BUT, here are some points you should consider as well: 1) the theory doesn’t have any substance to it, 2) it’s preposterous, 3) it’s not supported by the evidence, 4) the fact that biologists are uniformly in agreement could as well be explained by some solid Marxist interpretation of their economic interests.

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:34pm

    “Before you can ask ‘Is Darwinian theory correct or not?’, You have to ask the preliminary question ‘Is it clear enough so that it could be correct?’. That’s a very different question. One of my prevailing doctrines about Darwinian theory is ‘Man, that thing is just a mess. It’s like looking into a room full of smoke.’ Nothing in the theory is precisely, clearly, carefully defined or delineated. It lacks all of the rigor one expects from mathematical physics, and mathematical physics lacks all the rigor one expects from mathematics. So we’re talking about a gradual descent down the level of intelligibility until we reach evolutionary biology.”

    David Berlinski
    Author of The Deniable Darwin
    http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/72837.David_Berlinski

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:23pm

    I’ve been watching this sort of debate for nigh on 10 years.

    It seems to me, that the whole theory of evolution is a hoax, and a joke. It has great propaganda value, and that’s where it comes in handy , politically, just one of many tools to subvert , divide, and conquer American principle.

    It’s a fiction with very little to support it other than propaganda, and the math is against it too. To think that mankind wandered around this planet for billions of years before he learned how to communicate with words or symbols, is such a fantastic lie, that some people swallow it hook line and stinker.

    Where are the oral histories that extend beyond 6000 years ago? Where are all the remains? Were are the “non viable mutations ” that must exist in the trillions if evolution were to be true?

    And why doesn’t the math come close to working out?

    Let us hear no more about confidence in the quackery of men, but let us being to think like intelligent beings.

    Now I’m off to have an intelligently designed dinner. Nothing happens without intelligence. NOTHING.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 10:13am

      “It seems to me, that the whole theory of evolution is a hoax, and a joke. It has great propaganda value, and that’s where it comes in handy , politically, just one of many tools to subvert , divide, and conquer American principle.”

      This coming from a guy that believes in legends and myths of bronze age nomadic goat herders.

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    • Elvie
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 7:07pm

      I agree with you Abraham. I began to really look into this issue when it began to draw out the crazies and send them into a frenzie when a school board wanted ID theory taught alongside Evolution. I have read both sides of the issue, subscribe to science journals, read secular scientists best arguments against Intelligent Design, creationists writings, watched countless DVD’s, articles, papers, etc. and what I found was that Evolutionists consistently misrepresent what ID and Creationists believe. They are unable to answer the most basic questions and have begun to refuse to debate this subject since it is so obviously a losing battle. So instead, they do what all Alinsky-types do: sneers and smears.

      But seriously, once you begin to gather knowledge, you begin to think critically and that is EXACTLY what they don’t want students to do. Once a student has that knowledge, then they can see right through the fallacies of evolution. So Evolutionists must therefore set up strawmen and other logical fallacies to discredit the ID and Creationists. It has been fascinating.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 13, 2012 at 1:07am

      Again, Christian preaching the glory of rank ignorance. There is nothing scientific about ID or Creationism (which are the samething). It is nothing more than a creation myth based on a particular religious belief. Why is the Norse of Hindu creation myths false and the Christian ones true?

      Evolution and the big bang theory (two seperate things) are based on testable science, not some hocus pocus bs.

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  • Just4thefax
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:23pm

    Fact: During Shuttle flights a clear camera view of the space walkers always got dimmed out when unknowns appeared in the background then all really changed once the new digital transmissions of space walks were encoded and hidden from public view. All NASA owned transmissions with funny items on them always just disappear in the end anyway like the astronaut calling the USSR MIR station junk was missing in all libraries by the next morning.

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  • Micmac
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:24pm

    On the subject:

    The only thing consistent is change.

    No biblical references here.
    Without adaptation (some call it evolution, evolution being multiple adaptations) creatures could not survive when there are long term climatic changes. Adaption is CRITICAL to survival. This is what I consider intelligent design. People say God created man in his own image. Well, could it not be at the time he created man, and man has now evolved to a higher state (e.g., intelligence). And are we not done yet? The argument I look at is all the different races and how they are different but the same.
    Which one did God create, because there can be only one without adaptation. If god didn’t allow for adaptation, he would have created an even more flawed short-lived creature, yes?
    Biforcation and fractal permutations plays a part in adaptation on some levels, but that’s another discussion.
    ID and adaptation go hand-in-hand.

    NoBama 2012

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    • mottdahoop
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:59pm

      It’s nothing more than Barack Hussein Obamas war on Christianity. Face it boys and girls…he and his left hates us.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 10:17am

      mottdahoop
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:59pm
      It’s nothing more than Barack Hussein Obamas war on Christianity. Face it boys and girls…he and his left hates us.
      _________________________
      Ther is no war on Christianity, that just a lie told by evangelicasl to attempt to play the victim card. The Reactionary Conservative Christians have waged a war against logic, reason and science. Pushing these myths and legends, forcing their inclusition into science classroom where they do not belong. Demanding that local, state and federal agencies violate the establishment claue and set their cult above all others. Its the Christians that have been waging a war to create a theocracy and destory the Constitution.

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  • Micmac
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:05pm

    The real question is not about ID. The problem, as I see it, as a business owner, is the disruption that an employee can have on the workplace.
    Having someone “handing out” dogmatic flyers, forcing people to engage in “controversial” conversations, being critical of others beliefs, regardless of correctness, having others not engaged in the conversations within hearing distance, being annoyed by the noise while trying to focus on their task-at-hand, etc., is not an acceptable behavior. If this person engages 2 other people, and several within ear shot, for 15 minutes and there is a loss of 1 hour min. of productivity, paid for by the employer.
    I have told my employees, at time of hire, for 30 years that this type of behavior is an automatic dismissal. It’s in the employee manual. This behavior creates tension in the work environment. If I see it during working hours (not breaks, unless it‘s annoying someone who says please stop and it isn’t), there is no warning. It sounds as if the fella had multiple warnings and elected to ignore them.
    Enjoy the unemployment line.

    NoBama 2012

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:13pm

      I hope he has an intelligent defense.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:19pm

      “Tension in th environment”?

      Sounds like communist bullcrap. Only certain speech is free.

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 9:14pm

      @Micmac
      Spot on.

      @Abraham Young
      [Sounds like communist bullcrap.]
      Clearly it has you riled up seeing as you posted 3 walls of text above that I’m not even going to bother reading.

      [Only certain speech is free]
      Good luck with that. Your free speech ends where the rights of others begin.

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  • Unshod
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:56pm

    If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications, my theory would ultimately break down.
    -Charles Darwin 1872

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  • Hickory
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:50pm

    A lot of wack job theories come out of PhDs who think they contain all knowledge and non PhDs have none. Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell, Henry Ford, Albert Einstein and Steve Jobs did not have PhDs. Snobs from exclusive schools have tried to replace Christianity and Judaism with their own logic. Guess what kids…………….. you don’t know everything. You are just people who stayed in school long enough to pick up a few more ideas but, not all of them.

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    • Micmac
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:15pm

      A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous… and annoying.

      NoBama 2012

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  • crazyrightwingmom
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:28pm

    Darwin’s theories will go the way of global warming. Just theories…no proof. No scientific basis, either. If we have to believe something we can’t see…I’ll “err” on the side of my Heavenly Father.

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  • Libertyrevolutionary
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:11pm

    To deny evolution is like watching the sun rise in the morning, then denying sunrise. Some unanswered questions, to be sure. But not near as many as with believing that an all powerful being created everything. Humans have always created deities to explain that which they don’t understand. If we just give up the concepts of beginning and end and accept that all matter has always existed and simply changes shapes, evolution makes perfect sense.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:28pm

      In your Opinion…

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    • anotherproudamerican
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:06pm

      If the evidence is so overwhelming for evolution the why is it when someone like Dawkins is cornered he says it takes more faith to be an evolutionist? Or his statement that the universe so overwhelmingly looks to be created or however he put it!

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    • Minnaloushe
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:19pm

      Opinion and belief are subjective responses emerging from anecdotal evidence or from insufficient data. Observable, measurable and experimentally repeatable phenomena are similarly originated but are empirical. There exists a body of evidence including limited experimental results which appear to support the paradigm of Darwinian evolution. There also exist gaps in the understanding of it: e.g. is it linear? Is it “bursty”? There is even some tantalizing evidence that Lamarckism/Lysenkoism might not have been wholly wrong. I can’t say intelligent design (creationism) is 100% wrong because anyone with a scientific mind is never 100% certain. The idea is, however, without solid empirical evidence which is what is required of it for it to be considered science. Tell Duane Gish I said so.
      What is really revolting is that scientists would fire a colleague over his beliefs. It’s positively Inquisitional.
      Perhaps had he been a xenobiologist who wanted to send Holy Water in a probe to Mars to see if Old Scratch himself lunged out of the rocky surface screaming unrepeatable blasphemies as a proper way to determine if life existed there, then his colleagues would have cause.
      Those same colleagues’ predecessors used to posit that space was full of aether, that the sun burned with fire and not with fusion, that there were purposefully-built canals on Mars and that spontaneous generation had merit. They should be mindful of how posterity will view *them*.
      Sincerely
      An Ev

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    • XdemXrepub
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:03pm

      If people would just accept the concept that God always existed and made the universe and all that is in it intelligent design makes perfect sense.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:26pm

      Not to deny evolution is have confidence in things you yourself cannot prove.
      To believe evolution is rely on the opinions of others presumably more knowledgeable than you, but who neither have a clue, nor can reason intelligently when shown the clues.

      http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:45pm

      There are NO experiments which support Darwinian theory. There are however experiments which disprove it.

      Look at Ralph Seelke’s work. Apparently, when you try to get two beneficial morphological changes simultaneously, it can’t be done, even when you are selecting for it. And evolution requires far more than just two beneficial morphological changes simultaneously.

      People who believe the hype are not really demanding that science live up to its own principles – objective provable and measurable results – that’s science. Anything less is just hypocrisy and arrogance.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 10:32am

      @Abraham Young

      You are either a liar or an idiot. While creationism (which intelligent design is), has zero evidence and there is no ability to perform scientific tests to prove or disprove it. The theory of Evolution as it stands today has been by expirements for over the past century. Creationist, love to stop the theory at Darwin and ignore over a century of changes and refinment. Unlike creationism which can not change as it is a tenant of faith, theories in science often do evole as new evidence comes to light, as test are performed.

      Please offer me the evidence that the Hindu creation myth is false, the Hindu religion is older than judism so what makes the myth of the God of Abraham correct while the myths regarding Vishnu false?

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    • Elvie
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 7:22pm

      LibertyRev and Encinom have a fundamental misunderstanding of ID and Creationism. Both understand evolution as it pertains to change that we can see and demonstrate–change that is testable. But that is not where the argument lies. The issue is in the Historical Evolution–the way life and the universe began. ID and Creationists (and they are different) believe that there was something that began it–it did not just explode and happen. Creationists do not believe that we evolved from one organism but that each was created with the capacity to evolve to a certain extent–ie. there are a lot of different cat breeds but a cat does not evolve to a different kind of animal. A dog can be bred with other dogs to create new breeds but it does not change to a whale, etc. IID and Creationism completely fits with real science and any claim that it doesn’t is either based on a misunderstanding or a strawman argument. It is simply a different way of looking at the evidence.

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    • Elvie
      Posted on March 12, 2012 at 7:27pm

      Oh, and btw enicom: there is a very simple way to disprove evolution without dealing with Darwin. It’s all about information. The information in your DNA comes from your mom and dad, right? Where did that come from? How did information in the DNA develop to form, say, an eye when an eye must have so many other parts to make it work? Wouldn’t it have died off? If you say it came from another organism, then where did THAT information come from?

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:01pm

    obama purges Christians everywhere he goes, esp the US Govt.

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  • acovenantinblood
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:00pm

    I wonder what would happen if a Muslim discussed intelligent design………..

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    • piper60
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:05pm

      Nothng. Obama favors Muslims.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Now, that is an interesting point… because in the past, they went to the Old Testament for their Branch of Humanity… which is written in Hebrew!

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  • OutOnTheTiles
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:57pm

    Have these scientist take any one of the NASA designed spacecraft and tell them that it came about simply by chance, there was no intelligent designer or designers. They will scoff because they can show you the blue prints and you might even be able to meet a few of the designers.

    Now take systems that are way beyond their abilities to fully comprehend how it is made…..our bodies for instance…..and they will argue that it came about by chance because they can’t see or touch the creator even though the creator has left his fingerprints all over everything.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:07pm

      Interestingly, everything that we create is in our own image…. from Computer (Processor = Brain; Memory & Storage = Short & Long Term; Software = Education & Paradyme) to Robotics…

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Isaiah 40:25 “But to whom can YOU people liken me so that I should be made his equal?” says the Holy One. 26“Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing.

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  • beckwill
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:51pm

    God forbid someone discuss the possibility of creation in a world where everyone seems to be God their own eyes. There is no humility anymore….no meekness. What a burden it must be to bear such a load but yet have NONE of the answers.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:49pm

    DNA research is sticky, too. All living things share DNA, simply disalike by characteristic of the Individual life being examined… but there is No DNA Tree to support Evolution as presented in Monkey to Man Darwinism. In fact, Variations in species do not always occur over great periods of time, but often in Parallel, as Individual Characteristic. Evolution is Opinion based; just, as Creationism is Opinion based, where Opinion of one Professional is just as reasonable as from another… and PreHistory is called such… because it was before our History and Recording began.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:27pm

      One note: In the last DNA harvest on the subject… Scientists found… the older CroMagnum DNA was more of a match to Humans… but neither to Neandertals (the link between)… suggesting a Parallel Evolution of some sort!

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  • TJexcite
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:41pm

    The difference comes from supporting versus promoting.

    You can not work at a catholic institution and then openly promote the religion of evolution and then claim you where fired for your belief in evolution. If he worked at NASA and openly promoting the Moon landing as a hoax he only got the job to promote that hoax. Sure he could support that man did not go to the moon but as soon as you do something to spreed that is when you cross a line that can lead to problems. Same with AGW. you can not work at a place that has one mission and actively promote the other outside of work.

    As there are two side to every issue you have to know when to promote and when keep your belief to yourself.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:00pm

      Personally, I like “String Theory”… and so does my Cat :)

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    • acovenantinblood
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 6:03pm

      However, many evangelical theological seminaries teach evolution. Do you think we might have a problem?

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:05pm

      I really thought someone would jump on this!

      A Creationist can look at all the knowledge that exists and accept Facts, just as can an Evolutionist… and you are not Insane to support one nor the other. Where conflict arises is in the Source of Universe… not found in Fact nor Energy… but is soley based upon Opinion & Theory.

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    • youdidthis
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 8:02pm

      yep mine as well

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  • NunProfitOrg
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:38pm

    Of all the people, you’d think that these guys would more readily admit to the fact that there is no randomness to our world and the Universe as a whole. Apparently, for some it is rocket science, as the saying goes.

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    • Snidely
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 7:24pm

      It does seem to be easier for engineers to see the design in the complexity of life than for biologists. For example, Dr. Wernher von Braun, the leader of the team that developed the rockets to get us to the moon, was outspoken about existence of a Creator. (Good thing they didn’t fire him – Neil Armstrong would have only made footprints on the earth!) Of course, biologists have a financial interest in promoting evolution. And hedonists don’t want to think that someday they will answer to the Creator of the universe.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:37pm

    Go girl! It is time to stand.

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  • GoodStuff
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:29pm

    Darwin said we need to find millions of transitional fossils in order for his theory to work. Not only have we not found millions…we haven’t found one!

    I know, I know…Darwinists all of a sudden changed their tune, and now say we’re all transitional forms. Nice try, not gonna work.

    Evolution is the greatest lie ever sold. It’s beyond laughable.

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  • Snidely
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:13pm

    Actually, the definition of intelligent design is “The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause.“ Not ”the belief that a higher power must have had a hand in creation because life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone.” A subtle difference, but an important one. The latter definition implies that we don’t know, so we’re going to default to God. The correct definition means that if you follow the evidence without bias, the evidence points to a Creator. Everyone knows that complex systems cannot just happen by themselves. Evolutionists are still in denial that life is made up of complex systems.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:24pm

      I think God can figure it all out for He is the great I AM. I have never heard of anyone dying on the cross for me, except Jesus Chris, so I believe anyone willing to do that for me has my vote. Darwin just died…wonder if he was buried in a pet cemetery?

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 11, 2012 at 5:05pm

    Well Darwin is dead. God an’t. Sooooooooooo It seems Darwin didn’t know much, now did he?

    “For the fool has said in his heart there there is no God…”
    “Professing to have knowlege they become fools….”

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