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TSA Ejects Air Passenger For Refusing ‘Groin Check’

John Tyner fought the law, and the law won.

He was scheduled to fly from San Diego’s Lindbergh Field to South Dakota for a hunting trip with his father-in-law on Saturday, but he says he drew a clear line between security and privacy when he refused to submit himself to a”standard pat-down“ and a ”groin check” from a Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agent at the airport’s security checkpoint.

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Tyner was leery of full-body scanners for both health and privacy reasons and reportedly checked Lindbergh Field‘s website prior to his flight to confirm the airport didn’t use the new full-body security scanners.  To his surprise, he arrived at the airport and was instructed to submit himself to one.   When he refused, a TSA agent told him he would have to go through a full-body pat-down, including a “groin check.”

When Tyner respectfully refused, he was threatened with a civil suit and a $10,000 fine if he left the airports secured area.

“You touch my junk and I’m going to have you arrested,” Tyner can be heard telling the TSA agent as his cell phone camera captured the ordeal.

It was at this time when various TSA supervisors got involved.  When police were called in, Tyner was pulled aside and a TSA supervisor advised him that he would not be allowed to travel unless he submitted to the check.  Tyner opted to leave instead, getting a full refund for the airline ticket.

After leaving the airport, Tyner posted the story on his blog, detailing the incident and posting video of his confrontation on YouTube.

“[The TSA agent] said that I gave up a lot of rights when I bought my ticket. I replied that the government took them away after September 11th,” Tyner wrote.

As a result of his stand, Tyner is receiving some praise from fellow air travelers; one even offered to help foot the bill for any potential fine Tyner faces.

In the video, Tyner can be heard objecting to the TSA’s new more-invasive screening procedures and lamenting how he is troubled by the government’s ability to limit his methods of travel because he exercised his right to privacy.  What the TSA is doing would be illegal if they weren’t the government, Tyner concludes.

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  • American_Woman
    Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:19am

    I had one of these “pat-downs” performed on me. It was in a private room with two people. They made me put my hands up on the wall like a criminal, spread my legs, went up my dress and molested me. I was so humiliated I cried. I am terrifed of trying to fly again. What the hell has happened to this country?

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  • TheBees
    Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:11am

    I I ever do fly again and one of the TSA perverts try to fondle me I’ll punch him in the face!

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  • Mizpah55
    Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:08am

    I wish The Blaze had the thumbs up or thumbs down like other sites have. You guys are great with your comments. I really like the one about every male and female wearing muslim garb. Can you imagine an airport full of burkas? Enough is enough with the politically correct crap. If we get molested by TSA, then the muslims should too!!!

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  • dontbotherme
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:54pm

    I’m glad he stood his ground. He exercised his freedom of choice, and knowing the consequences he said no… you will not cross the line & assault me. Criminals have to submit to this type of search, not innocent Americans. The TSA had other options & chose to bully. It will be a cold day in h_ll b before I fly again. When the same law is applied equally to all, I will reconsider.

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  • jdawg
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:35pm

    The TSA has become this nation’s Gestapo. They need to be curtailed, seriously! This is the same bunch that terrorized a little 3-year-old girl! Enough is enough!

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/tsa-screener-terrorizes-3-year-old-girl

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  • Dolt
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:26pm

    What did you all think would happen when the Gov’t took over in 2001? This is where it always leads. 100% of the time. Never fails. Repeal the patriot act as well as the health care bill. Reject all government “enhancements” in your life.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:06pm

      Great post. I totally agree. The handwriting was on the wall the day TSA was “created”. No, since “Homeland Security” was congealed out of the slime on the Potomac.

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  • HillCountryPatriot
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:18pm

    We know what and who these terrorists are… muslims.

    The only security measure we need is to make every single passenger eat a piece of bacon seasoned with kosher salt (just for good measure) before going to their gate. Those that refuse, don’t get to board. This method will keep the muslims (and yes, I mean every single last one of them!!!) off the planes. Oh, and maybe some vegetarians too (causality of war… sorry folks).

    Just an idea :)

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    • Sledgehammer
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:27pm

      ok, Ilike that one. I was going to say, patdown, scan, or leave, but that one is good!

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:47pm

      I love this idea!

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    • The Giver
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 8:41am

      As a conservative vegetarian ( not too many of us) and nurse, I say to you… If the terrorist don’t kill you on the plane due to your “screening” method, the bacon and all the animal clogging fat in it can do it SLOWLY.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:04pm

      Wouldn’t it keep Jewish people off too though? I am probably mistaken, but isn’t pork off the menu for them as well? Or is it just Muslims?

      In any event, I could totally get behind Bacon Security measures. Heck, I’d go through the gate twice, maybe three times just to give them total confidence that I wasn’t a terrorist!

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  • Taquoshi
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:12pm

    One of the smaller airports near us has seen an increase in private passenger planes being rented by executives because that way, they get around this. I suspect it will become more common.

    Also, does anyone know whether a member of Congress has been harassed in this manner? I can’t wait for it to happen.

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  • cstcomputers
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:07pm

    Good for him taking a stand. This is unreasonable and how many people who look like him have attempted to blow up airliners in the last 9 years? This is just a way to get around profiling which is the way to handle this, not with indiscriminate unreasonable searches…

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  • The Bushmaster
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:55pm

    First of all think of this.. Why in hell is the whole airport not secure? If they are going to check passengers why wait until after they have passed through the ticket counter?? Why is security not placed to the entrance to the terminal?? A bomb exploding at checkin has the same effect as it would in the so called secured area.. Government is basically full of stupid people as far as I am concerned.

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    • MissCherryJones
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:14pm

      I’ve said before on here, I’m in the process of becoming a TSO. And my goal is to make it to the top. And then I‘m going to propose airline security like Israel’s El Al. They begin profiling the minute you step foot in the airport. When was the last time something happened on El Al? If we’re going to have airport security, by golly, go all out and have airport security. This fondling stuff is only humiliating passengers and TSOs alike. Trust me, the officers at the airports aren’t the ones you need to direct your anger at. Remember who’s in charge of the TSA-Janet Napolitano, good buddy of Obama.

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    • alienguns
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:37am

      I think the definition of Government is “Stupid” If you look the word STUPID up in the dictionary there is a picture of the government for clarity on the meaning—-and the muslims are the ones we are looking for—why would they get a head and neck pat down and an old grandpa like me get a full body pat down?

      I fully support profiling–if old white grandpas like me were blowing innocent people up I would still fully support profiling and expect to be profiled–the muslims who say they are against terrorism need to stand AGAINST and turn in the jackwagons they know are terrorists instead of cheering their actions behind closed doors

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  • BetterDays
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:46pm

    The point of the eliteists is to make us stop flying. We are easier to control if we have to drive places, it costs us more (wait for the gas price increase that will result from “increased demand”.), It’s more inconvient, and they (the elietists) can put the financial futures of the airline and hotel industries at jeporday by having the “sheep” molested at airports. This impacts our economy in a huge manner, business fliers make up a large proportion of weekly fliers.
    I still won’t fly any more, untill the TSA is unemployeed.

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  • SilentReader
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:31pm

    This is what we are subjected to and the Muslims, who have caused this gross invasion of our privacy by constantly blowing up things, are exempt from, because of their Sharia Initiative and their Muslim supremacist’s demand for “special treatment?”

    Hamas-linked and sugar-coated CAIR has demanded that Muslims be exempt from the “pat down” that they have caused and that we are all subjected to. Amazing arrogance.

    Can you say dhimmitude? I guess we’re all dhimmis now.

    I would have done exactly what this man has done. I would have refused the government’s intrusion into my privacy. That’s why I no longer intend to fly anywhere.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 8:22am

      Who was it again that hijacked the planes and killed more than 3000 of us on 9/11? Oh, yeah, the ones that are getting a pass through the screeners. -makes perfect government sense to me….ARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s ignore the ones who might possibly be of the same mindset as those hijackers and grope my 80 year old grandmother or my equally threatening 6 old daughter

      I am of the opinion we all do the burqa thing and all be exempted…..

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  • DonoRomantico
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:29pm

    I think that if the TSA hired some hunky guys to fondle errrrrrrrrrr inspect the ladies, and some local strippers to fondle the guys we could end the controversy.

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:37pm

      no.

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    • Bic
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:38pm

      Have you never seen a stripper in the light of day? Fugly doesn’t even begin to describe what they look like in broad daylight!!

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    • corkynm
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:05am

      Seeing them in the dark but sober has the same effect, let me tell you.

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    • justme72
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 7:57am

      yeah ummmmmm no

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  • RestoreCapitalism
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:28pm

    And do you think Obama has to get a ball check to fly?

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  • 13thGenerationAmerican
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:23pm

    The Nazis running the Democrat party are trampling on our values so they can molest your kitten. And you know who else tried to do that? Hitler.

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:29pm

      1/10.

      Go back to Fark.

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    • NukeHaze
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:58pm

      That sounds like an admission that Nazis were socialist, nationalist, and, therefore, liberal democrats. Sounds correct to me. Same thing with the Union of Soviet Socialists Republic and the Communist People’s Republic of China. Those stating that conservatives are nationalist or socialist just do not really seem to understand either. Also strange how the anarchists seem to side with the liberals extremists. The anarchists must not understand what liberals really are. The anarchists also seem a lot less likely to truly understand anarchy either.

      Govern with as little government as needed to maintain order and safety. Entitlement programs are surely NOT from true conservatives.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:09pm

      So its ok they grab a 6 year olds crotch in front of a large group of people and get off free of any charges. This paranoia is turning into oppression of our civil rights and moral values. You got the far left trying to collapse the economy to rebuild soviet union. Wonder if the Nazi or communist said “Its for your safety and the greater good of the country” as they took away there peoples basic human rights and hauled them off to work camps. Small steps lead to larger ones.
      “The means of defense aginst foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” -James Madison

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:56am

      Nazis???? No, The Nazis’ had balls. Van Jones Commies-yes…….. Isn’t there some NANBLA site where you can snipe?

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  • Ronko
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:22pm

    Good for him someone needs to draw the line in the sand and stand up to the TSA. We don’t need these stupid machines what we need is common sense and profiling not racial profiling but regular profiling where the attendents and the workers see someone, study him and analyze his facial signs, body movement, etc. Thats what they do in Israel and it works.

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  • tbb
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:20pm

    If we the public had just 3 days where we didn’t fly the airports would be screeming to get rid of these invasions of privacy because they would go bankrupt. Even if the amount of people who flew dropped by one half they would loose so much money they’d be wetting themselves.

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  • MJ1025
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:20pm

    People need to stand their ground like this guy.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:36am

      He should of asked the manager if it was okay if he check out her stuff

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  • jzs
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:18pm

    Simple. Don’t let him board the airplane.

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  • TheGreyPiper
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:17pm

    Well to be fair, flying isn’t a right. It may suck and it may be stupid, but that’s what the drill is now. You don’t like it, call Amtrak. Too much of this is like the jerks that buy a house next door to the fish cannery and then sue because they don’t like the smell.

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    • Anonimouse
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:25pm

      I’m tiring of this mentality. This is a capitalist country. My airline ticket is business between me and the airline I bought it from. Me and that airline have the RIGHT to conduct this transaction.

      The government does NOT have the right to assault me in order to ALLOW me complete that transaction.

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    • NukeHaze
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:51pm

      Umm doesn’t the government pretty much own AmTrak now, too?

      Yeah that is an alternative…not.

      Inhibiting the airlines from making business transactions will eventually cause enough of them and passengers to speak out for change or else it will drive them all to bankruptcy seeking the government to buy them. Yes, let us see just how good customer service is/was on AeroFlot (U.S.S.R.) with complete government control of the air industry. No, thank you. Either way, however, the government is getting more control, if the airlines go bankrupt, or if they continue to weasle their way deeper into the privacy of the citizens.

      I thought it was a really bad idea to allow the gov’t to have the OnStar system completely under their control especially without oversight. This is looking a lot like 1984. Still waiting on the “thought” police.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:00pm

      @Anonimouse

      Thank you! Exactly correct! I’ve been making this point since TSA crap has been being reported on the Blaze. This is not an issue of something between you and the airline, if it were private security the airline would be right to demand whatever security they wished as part of the transaction. But it’s not. It’s the federal government, and by God, they do not have a right to search me as a condition for dealing with another private individual (sans a warrant signed by a bench judge with all the specific details filled in).

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  • tweaker
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:11pm

    Easy fix… everyone flies NAKED! Wooohooo!!! blankets are free to those who need one.

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    • KenInIL
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:38pm

      Tell them you are a stripper and show them a price sheet for playing with your privates !!

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    • MissCherryJones
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:08pm

      You would use the blankets on airplanes?

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    • squeaker
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:33am

      Nekked… What are you going to do when Pelosi starts flying commercial….aaahhhhh…!!!

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    • Brooke Lorren
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 5:05pm

      I’m wearing a bikini under my clothes next time I fly. They want to use enhanced search, I can take off the rest of my clothes. No reason for them to touch anything that isn’t covered by clothes, unless they think I’m wearing a fat suit. That’ll keep their pat-down short. I’ll have my husband or daughter video tape the search so I can post on YouTube if they try anything funny.

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    • Kathy
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 6:50pm

      Wow! That would scare everyone out of the airport in my case! “No, lady, go ahead, go ahead!!!” LOL. When will the ACLU get involved – they don’t do anything else interesting.

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  • felina g
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:10pm

    Don`t fiddle with me turban !

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:13pm

      lol

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    • LadyLiberty
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 8:30am

      lol
      thanks, i needed to laugh after reading this article… although the ‘don’t touch my junk’ line already had me laughing for a bit. lawsuits will start trickling in in 3….2…. 1…

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  • DMD
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:06pm

    Is TSA owned and operated buy muslims?

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    • free2bme1961
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:16pm

      No…it is owned and operated by those we are supposed to trust….the real terrorists!

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  • kindling
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:54pm

    Wow……there is a new business for airports next to the rental cars. Rent an outfit and just turn it in at the other end.

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  • kindling
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:52pm

    The answer is easy. Everyone male and female should dress in female Muslim garb and just express your religious rights to only be fondled on your head and neck and there you have it, personal freedom. Just don’t take off your outfit until you get off the plane.

    kindling  
    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:16pm

      I still say this on the subject, I will never fly again, and will only go via ground travel. Yes it takes a lot longer, yet I can avoid one more intrusion by the government – for now. I am glad this gentleman stood up for his rights not to be groped.

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    • HKS
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:32pm

      Maye one should take a legal contract and demand it be signed by a government official accepting all responsibility for any ill effects of the radiation exposure and the liability of punitive damages from those machines. Not that it would save your ass but it would piss them off as well. Obama could put one of his czars in all the airports to sign and notarize the documents. It would be a part of the save and create jobs program.

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    • NukeHaze
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:39pm

      We all likely remember one prominent democrat stating that “in order to professionalize, we have to federalize” regarding airport security. The airlines and passengers unfortunately have to pay the price for the reduction of rights directly as a result of beuracrats making these decisions who do NOT ever have to go through the same intrusive screenings. The Patriot Act sounded good for a few reasons for a short time after it was introduced but we see slowly all of our freedoms, and the freedom to succeed now of the airlines who are subject to losing air traffic because of this, for the sake of safety. The Tangos have won if we are feared into altering our behavior because of their actions. There has to be better solutions for this problem and making more government employees and “legal” sexual abusers is NOT one of the ways we should have gone.

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    • TruthTalker
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:44pm

      I think it would be funny if he accepted their terms and when he touched his groin, he grabs his hand and starts humping it. LOL, What? You touched me first….

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    • lobster
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:15pm

      I think the phone booth the Israeli’s invented would be perfect. You know the one that sets off any explosives on the body. Our government is so totally out of control that it “stinks on ice”,

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    • mexicanhasmyjob
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:23pm

      oh hell there’s only one answer and that is to piss your pants when his reaches that point.then accuse them of sexual assualt.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:28pm

      I won’t fly anymore … they only really check the people who can’t cry discrimination (and they aren’t the one trying to BLOW thing up!)… that is why the shoe bomber and underwear bomber etc. didn’t get caught. Sooner or later “luck” is bound to run out.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 7:42am

      One of the top British generals has said that we cannot defeat Al Qaeda. He said that we could contain them but not defeat them because they are a “pernicious ideology”. It looks like TSA is containing us folks and letting Al Qaeda have a free pass. Could it be that Napolitano and the TSA agree with the British general and that our government is really just getting their kicks out of harassing us. It is a fact that they believe we are stupid and ignorant. They are just doing this for fun and kicks. I will never fly under these conditions and I applaud this gentleman (because he IS indeed a gentleman).

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 7:45am

      WHAT has happened to our country?!? The invasive hands of the government (literally, in this case), have reached the tipping point. Either we submit like a bunch of wimps, or we make a stand.
      And to think all the “security” crap we must endure is because of ONE STINKING FALSE RELIGION, and it’s “believers.”
      The test will be what happens and how we react if/when there’s another successful attack by those godless bastards.

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    • rlmeals
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 9:24am

      What’s worse than what you can see on this video is that after he was escorted out by TSA and the cops, he was approached again by a superior TSA agent and told that he’s not allowed to leave the secure area without completing the screening. This can be viewed by going to his blog, which is linked in the story. So the agent told him they are brining a civil suit against him for leaving the secure area, and the people who escorted him out didn‘t know any better so they won’t be punished.

      So what the TSA is saying is: you can opt out of the scanner, but you have to have the groping pat-down. You can opt out of the pat down, but you will not be allowed to fly. However, if you try to leave the airport without subjecting yourself to the scanner or pat-down, you will be subjected to a $10,000 fine. What??? So what you are saying is that once you enter the screening area, you are REQUIRED to subject yourself to whatever security measures the TSA wants to inflict upon you.

      I’d also like to point out that on the 12 minute video, he asked why he can’t just walk through the metal detector like 80% of the passengers were doing, and what was the reason he was selected for the scanner…was it random? The TSA supervisor said that they don’t choose people randomly, the scanner was the primary security measure. He told her, no, I was in line for the metal detector and I was pulled out of line and taken to the scanner, and 80% of the passengers got to go through the metal detector without being subjected to the naked scan or the pat-down. She just kept arguing with him.

      This is ridiculous. I’m all for airport security, because we don’t have a “right” to fly, so we need to comply with the security measures or find other means of transportation. But this is too far. I dealt with the metal detectors, and the metal detector wand, and having to throw away my hair spray and shampoo at check-in. That was inconvenient. This is tyranny.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 11:39am

      Hero Status assured. :)

      Now, the rest of us need to do the same thing. When the people refuse to consent en masse, the government has to submit or it will be regarded as irrelevant and loses all of its power.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 11:57am

      @rlmeals

      Yeah, actually, if the airline and I want to do business, then in fact we do have that right. The government in this case is a third party intruding into our transaction and insinuating itself against our will. So yeah, rights do come into play.

      Other than that, liked your post. It‘s revolting what’s going on now.

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    • valricoslash
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:43pm

      Now that Nancy P has to fly commerical, prhaps they should mark her tickets SSS so tht she is usbjected to the naked machine or the touchy feely rub down. n fact they shold make every memer of congress subjet to the machines ro rub down. I guarantee once this happens this procedure will be scrapped. As far as muslim women decalreing that religion only allows head rub downs, they need to understand that in this country we have, according to the liberals, separation fo church and state. At least we do for Christians and Jews. What that means is that civil law has nothing to do with her religious rights, so if she wants to fly, she needs to show them the cookies or she can take a cab. Any person that does not like this treatment can hop on a plane back to where they came from.

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    • rlmeals
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 2:10pm

      @Ghost: Of course we have the “right” to do private business. I wanting implying that! I meant it in the sense that you don’t have a right to drive, it’s a privilege that can be revoked. In the same manner, you can be put on the no-fly list. It’s not a God-given right. If you don’t want to abide by the laws and rules of the road, you don’t get to drive (if you break the law too many times or too severely…you know what I mean). You can walk, take the bus or subway, or a train, or ride a horse.

      But I can‘t come up with one good reason why our most intimate privacy should be infringed when we haven’t done anything wrong. You know, if you’ve committed a crime, you’ve given up your fourth amendment right. A police officer may frisk you. He may search your car. If you are convicted and sent to prison, they may strip search you, or do a cavity search. These are the types of law enforcement tactics that are reserved for criminals or if there is probably cause. And even then, a search warrant may be required.

      To presume guilt upon the millions of people who fly to the point of doing a virtual strip search and/or frisking them up to and including cupping of the breasts and genital areas is a clear violation of our fourth amendment rights. I can’t think of any circumstance in the United States that warrants them seeing us naked or feeling us up…nothing…not flying, not attending a sports game, not going to a mall. And you know they are talking about using the x-ray trucks and theses scanners at many public places for “public safety.”

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 2:28pm

      @rlmeals

      Well, if the airline wants me to fly on their plane, and I wish to ride on their plane to a destination, and we agree on a price, date and time, then by all means I do in fact have a right to fly. The government does not get to tell me if, when and how I can fly (in American theory). Further, they have even less right to interject themselves between two peaceful parties and demand in belligerent ways that I must give up all my rights if I wish to deal with the second peaceful party. No, they are the alien party in this transaction, and THEY have no right to tell me to give up my rights “or else”.

      **But I can‘t come up with one good reason why our most intimate privacy should be infringed when we haven’t done anything wrong. You know, if you’ve committed a crime, you’ve given up your fourth amendment right. A police officer may frisk you. He may search your car. If you are convicted and sent to prison, they may strip search you, or do a cavity search. These are the types of law enforcement tactics that are reserved for criminals or if there is probably cause. And even then, a search warrant may be required**

      Precisely. Airport security used to be private, up until a very short time ago. If they want to look for guns/bombs on me with a metal detector, I accept that as part of our bargain as two private and free parties (or I reject it and simply choose not to do business). The government barging in with their outrageous demands, I do not tolerate. Thanks, but no thanks.

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    • 2dollarbill
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 3:06pm

      That’s why Nancy Pelosi flys in private and/or government jets…she wants to avoid the “groin check” too!?

       
    • Ruler4You
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 4:53pm

      I’m happy to see this guy stand up for himself. And while I agree with him (I will never fly again) fighting the law as a individual will always result in the individual being victimized. Period. Law is very spiteful. And the more power enforcement officers have the more spiteful they become. But not being accountable to the citizenry, is the ultimate in jackbooted thuggery authorization.

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    • JMJ6391
      Posted on November 16, 2010 at 3:37am

      The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The amendment specifically also requires search and arrest warrants be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. Where is the probable cause for 1.5 million people who have done nothing but decide to travel from one area to another which is also guaranteed as a fundamental civil right?

      Even those coming across our borders have protections.

      “Most border searches may be conducted entirely at random, without any level of suspicion, pursuant to U.S. Customs and Border Protection plenary search authority.“ ”However, searches that intrude upon a traveler’s personal dignity and privacy interests, such as strip and body cavity searches, must be supported by “reasonable suspicion.”[68]” Quotes mine.

      Source; Wikipedia Fourth Amendment :Border Protection.

      So standing in line with a ticket to travel now is a “reasonable suspicion?” Are we all considered terrorists now by our government?

      Notice the Supreme Court stated that a search will be allowed only with **reasonable cause of suspicion**. Does a 4 year old give rise to a reasonable cause that she is a terrorist?

      We also have the right to travel without restriction and that right is being violated if we refuse to be searched or submit to an invasive scan. In Shapiro v Thompson SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES stated…..

      394 U.S. 618
      Shapiro v. Thompson

      “For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed, we are one people, with one common country. We are all citizens of the United States, and, as members of the same community, must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States.”

      It states we have the right to pass without interruption. We should not be subjected to unsafe radiation or the insult of being groped by some stranger to travel.

      We are no safer with these methods of checking planes. It just restricts our rights because terrorists are going to find other methods of hurting us. They will go through other methods that are not being screened. So they take away a civil right belonging to US citizens on a suspicion that something might happen. Yes, and a terrorist may leave a car bomb someplace does that them give the government the right to search any and all cars without a warrant? Where does it end?

      How are they going to deal with people who have mental health issues that need to travel that can’t tolerate their personal space being invaded? Or putting people who have already been exposed to a lot of radiation due to cancer to more without putting them at more risk of serious health issues? Are those people going to be exempted? Who will do the screening, and how much delay will there be in doing so?

      Will certain religious groups be exempted from these searches? Because to also single out some people who do not have to go through this invasive process due to their religious freedoms they violate the Fourteenth Amendment of equal protection under the law.

      Millions of people have crossed our borders, many hardened criminals that go through NO screening yet an old woman is going to be physically groped to satisfy the government intrusion that they say will make us safe. That they can not do by destroying out civil rights. Yes, indeed the terrorists have won. Or should I say the government has won by taking more of our rights away under the guise of protecting us.

      This violates so many of our civil liberties it is asinine. You see when we allow them the right to search anyone we give them the right to search everyone. We must protect our Bill of Rights.

      We all need to stand up and ask our new Congress to put a stop to this insane abuse of our civil rights or file a class action suit to get them back. This isn’t protecting us it is just giving the government more power to invade our personal liberties.

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    • bustin
      Posted on November 16, 2010 at 4:42pm

      Maybe I am a perviert but how about if you have to be searched becsue your to much a moron to go through the scanner then MEN ask for a woman to hand search you and Women ask for a man to hand search you then its not that bad Or we can have noone get searched and worry about the safety of the flight Or maybe us Americans need to just get a clue stop the winning We are Americans the mutes of the world, all the rejects from everywhere else, we are tough, honest, helpful, and giving.

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    • eagle275
      Posted on November 17, 2010 at 2:09am

      good one! LOL!

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    • jtown
      Posted on November 17, 2010 at 2:32pm

      Simpler solution. Two planes, one everyone border gets checked, the other no one boarding goes through any checks. Which one do you want to fly on?

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