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Two California Women Save Young Boy From Crazed Father Who Was Allegedly Trying to Cut Off His Son’s Arms in Ritual Sacrifice

Jaymisha Pires and Corey Granberry seemingly saved the life of an 8-year old boy on Saturday, after his father allegedly tried to cut off his arms as part of a ritual sacrifice in a San Diego cemetery.  

The father, Joseph Ramirez, had already slashed open the boy’s forearms when the women saw what was happening, and they say their “motherly instincts” took over.

Jaymisha Pires and Corey Granberry Save Boy From Father, Who Was Allegedly Trying to Cut Off His Sons Arms in Ritual Sacrifice in California Cemetery

Police gather evidence at the cemetery (Photo: UT San Diego)

“My motherly instincts kicked in when I saw him hurting that little boy,” said Pires, who has two young children.  “It was a blur. I just wanted him to stop.”

Pires says she confronted the 30-year old man but he just kept repeating, “We’re going to Jesus.  We’re going to Jesus.”  At that time, Granberry grabbed the injured boy and the other two children the father had brought, and they all ran.

Ramirez was tackled by a 60-year old security guard soon after.

“It‘s all in day’s work,” the guard commented with a shrug.

Jaymisha Pires and Corey Granberry Save Boy From Father, Who Was Allegedly Trying to Cut Off His Sons Arms in Ritual Sacrifice in California Cemetery

Mount Hope Cemetery (Photo: Daily Mail)

Reports say that Ramirez had been hearing the voice of his dead grandmother, who (he believes) him to sacrifice his young son.

The man has since been been hospitalized, but authorities assure that he will be charged for child abuse and assault with a deadly weapon.

As for the boy, police say the young women saved his life.  Between the intervention and staunching his wounds with a t-shirt, they likely saved it in more ways than one.  However, the wounds were severe enough that he still required hospitalization.

Reports are unclear as to the status of the mother.

 

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  • 1956
    Posted on April 30, 2012 at 6:53am

    To GARDENSFROMGRAVES:
    You said: “There is a parable where Jesus banished spiritual forces into swine [the men of Gadarenes]. But within the parable it says these demons [within the swine: Tares] will return when they fall over a cliff and “perish” in the seas.”

    This is NOT A PARABLE. Read your Bible, please! Mark Chapter 5: 1-20

    It would help if you had actually read the Bible instead of trying to remember something that I’m fairly positive you did not read but half-heard from someone else. I’m no expert on the Bible – but I DO READ THE BIBLE AND DOUBLE CHECK THINGS WHEN I AM UNSURE. And I read it over and over again – that is the only way to KNOW what is in there.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:36am

      I blame Bush….

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    • db321
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:24pm

      A special thanks to those that stepped in and got the kids from further damage – how many would have just walked by and let this maniac kill the kids. It is going to get worst – stand your ground and help the defenseless.

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  • VoteRightDammit
    Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:11am

    That darned GOP and their War on Children ………

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  • kfouche
    Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:16am

    These women deserve some credit for saving this child’s life. I hope his dad never gets any of his children back and is never allowed to see them again. He should go to prison for a very long time, a proper sentence would be until he is so old he wouldn’t be having any new babies, too feeble to think of it.

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  • David in OKC
    Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:15am

    No big surprise that this happened in California. That state has more nuts with issues than a Payday bar on a magazine rack. Nancy Pelosi should be so proud. Glad the children are ok. Kudos to the women and security guard that stepped in. Usualy, in California, people just whip out their cell phones so they can post it all on youtube.

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    • smcdaniel
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:09am

      This was San Diego, not LA or Freakwansisco. This is not common in the big SD. Had this happenned in La La land or Freakwinsisco, it would have never made the news.

       
    • ShyMan
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:55am

      California, the land of fruits and nuts.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:51am

    You simple people, haven’t I told you that Jesus is coming to you?

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    • Cesium
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:52pm

      haha, not Jews…. somehow Christianity fosters insane thinking. This is why worship of an anthropomorphic God named Jesus, is a violation of the second commandment.

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  • drasner
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 11:56pm

    Dear Blaze, love you, but the typos have to stop. Every article I read has issues. The right can’t afford to be sloppy. Come on guys…

     
  • ZaphodsPlanet
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:54pm

    Guy is insane….. another thing I’d like to know. Is this guy an illegal? Glad his kid is safe.

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  • Eyeball
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:40pm

    He obviously was insane. A brain scan might be in order.

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:37pm

    ‘You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.
    Child sacrifice is out lawed in the bible. And this is very evil. Satan is running loose.

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    • kindling
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 11:05pm

      Yep…this is his time to get as many as possible before he is bound. He has been working hard for thousands of years and his time is running out. Don’t drop your guard, he is going to try to get all of us.

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    • gardensfromgraves
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:53am

      There is a parable where Jesus banished spiritual forces into swine [the men of Gadarenes]. But within the parable it says these demons [within the swine: Tares] will return when they fall over a cliff and “perish” in the seas.

      The seas are the nations, languages, peoples and tongues. These forces are returning. People have forgotten the dangers that past peoples understood. The only protection is to believe in the God of Abraham [YHWH]. It is time to humble ourselves, repent and pray. More of this will occur. These evil spirits will rise up like a flood. The “dead” are actually “familiar spirits”. These spirits are assigned to people and know many things from their past lives as a result.

      The Satanists have been opening spiritual “portals” into this world [habitation]. They require blood sacrifice to do so. There is a reason the man did not resist when the women said Jesus’s name. Understand: the president and global elite are satanic. They hate believers and will soon act openly. Look up Lucis [formerly: Lucifer] Trust, which “advises” the U.N. Look at Nicky Minaj’s Grammy performance this year. The signs are here.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:55am

      Every man has the dust of their kind and the dust of ‘His’ kind, to one or the other varying degree.

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  • Shasta
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:24pm

    Thank God for these three heroes. After reading this story, I reflected back on the story about the epileptic in the UK, who had a seizure and fell into a shallow pond. All of the bystanders just took pictures with their phones and the emergency crew set up a tent while the victim died. How on earth could these people in the UK pass up such a simple rescue and here we have these three heroes risking their lives. There has to be something that makes sense of it all. I haven’t found it yet though.

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  • RedDawn2012
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:10pm

    Schizophrenia. If schizophrenics won’t take their meds, they should be institutionalized – they are more dangerous than a pit bull – unpredictable.

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    • Lt_Scrounge
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:02am

      Definitely more dangerous than my pitbull. He didn’t even hurt the stupid mutt that bit him badly on both legs, despite being over twice the other dog’s size. The other dog felt badly about it later and has been licking the wounds the last few days to try and make up for being bad. If he weren‘t my GF’s dog, I’d have taken him to the pound, but he has been a really good dog otherwise. He was upset that the pit accidently stepped on one of the two puppies.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:03pm

    …
    God placed those two women in the right place, at the right time.
    So glad they were not afraid to get involved. God bless them.

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  • TRILO
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:35pm

    Thank goodness the woman took action. All too often people just walk by and refuse to get involved. While the boys physical wounds will heal I will pray that his mind and spirit heal from such a horrible event.

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    • lbyrd26
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:11pm

      And not a mean old gun in sight. I guess we are going to have to outlaw knives and swords and axes. It‘s to bad we can’t just outlaw psychopaths like this one nut the ACLU would never have that.

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  • PapaPatriarch
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:35pm

    I just went to the Vatican website and read this “After communion, the left-over hosts, as well as any particles that may have fallen from them and that still have the form of bread, are to be reserved or consumed with the reverence due to the eucharistic presence of Christ.”
    It’s obviouse Catholics DO teach the bread and wine turn into the LITERAL flesh and blood of Christ.
    @hillbillyinny About John chapter 6 – if it realy is literal at the end when he is referencing communion, can you name me one person in the Bible that thought so and ate any piece of Jesus or drank his blood?

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 6:58am

      All of the followers of Christ since the founding of The Church on Pentecost Sunday–Jesus Body and Blood in the FORM of bread and wine–Matthew, Mark,Luke,John (especially John, the “beloved disciple”!), Peter, Paul, etc.). John even told us i this passage that “Many Yea, I know it’s a miracle,but we Christians believe in miracles, do’t we–God on earth, healings, feedings, “living water,” Resurrection and Eternal Life? As John 6:66 tell us, even at the time many could not believe this teaching directly from Jesus mouth: “From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.” Yet Jesus even pointed out the parallell to these Jews, of the Heavely Bread provided inn the desert, The Manna–a miracle, real food, and sustaining, which the Jews lived on for forty years, but couldn’t believe the “man” Jesus in His new teaching.

      Don’t want to embrace a particular church, that’s your choice, you have lots out there, but in the minimum embrace The Lord,His Word and have His Spirit living in you. As Jesus said, “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.” (John 15:12-13 NIV) The Holy Spirit will open the eyes of those who seek.

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    • PapaPatriarch
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:31am

      “Transubstantiation From Wikipedia
      In Roman Catholic theology, transubstantiation is the doctrine that, in the Eucharist, the substance of wheat bread and grape wine changes into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus, while all that is accessible to the senses remains as before.”
      Poof * Magic. (The Mystery).

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  • Brasil2520
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:33pm

    BREAKING NEWS !

    This just in Police have hospitalized Abraham and say they have charged Abraham for child abuse and assault with a deadly weapon.
    When Police got to the mountain top they say Abraham was holding a knife over his son Isaac and looked a little nutty, Abraham just kept repeating “god told me to do it” over and over.
    His son Isaac said his father drinks a lot of wine and hear’s voices.

    Now sports with Leroy . . .

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:39pm

      no correlation loser

      now take you hate to the huff in puff

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    • Brasil2520
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 11:12pm

      PSYCHOSIS

      “No correlation” – If Abraham had done this today to a child, he would be in prison and his scared son Isaac would have went to therapy

      “Hate” is holding a knife over your son as you tell him he is about to get “sacrificed”

      If a “god” told me to kill my son or kill anyone else – it would be time to change religion.

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    • judyaz
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:50am

      There is actually a difference, even clinically in the diagnostic code manual, between schizophrenia and the spiritual gift of prophecy. Usually schizophrenics hear voices telling them to do bad things. There is a diagnosis of schizotypal personality disorder which mentions voices, ideas of reference (thinking heaven or the universe is speaking to you through the TV, for example.) But there is an exception for those who live in a cultural context where this is a normal part of life, or spiritual gifts. Abraham lived in a culture where he was respected as the patriarch who listened to God, and through time the proof was seen by mankind. One things that indicated a miracle was the sacrificial sheep that God provided instead. Another were God’s positive, loving words of blessing, that his descendants would be blessed (or in covenant relationship with God) through all generations. Interdisciplinary trained professionals and priests learn how to discern between insanity, possession and true guidance from God. In Biblical times, if a prophet’s words did not come true he was killed.

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    • Brasil2520
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:28am

      JUDYAZ

      Judy I appreciate your intellectual reply,

      To make my point I will replace the name from your sentence – Abraham – with the name – Jim Jones

      Jim Jones “lived in a culture where he was respected as the patriarch who listened to God”
      Many people respected Jim Jones like, Walter Mondale, Rosalynn Carter, Governor Jerry Brown just to list a few, and they did it for the black vote. I could go on about how great Jones was, but whats important in anything is the ending, Jones ending wasn’t so great.

      “Usually schizophrenics hear voices telling them to do bad things”
      Judy, trying to kill a child is a bad thing ! What ever label or name you want to put on it, you are just putting a spin on a crime, what Abraham did was/is a crime.

      Drop the intellect and thing more with emotion and feelings, there is never a excuse to kill a child.

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    • ShyMan
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:53am

      God stopped Abram, didn’t he. No child was offered. Instead a ram was used.

      It prefigured the sacrifice of Christ on the same mountain many years later.

      You say there’s never an excuse to kill a child. Of course. But, do you support abortion?

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    • lornaduwn
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:42am

      There is a big difference between the experiences of Abraham and this incident. Most importantly, God had no intention of allowing Isaac to actually be harmed. Abraham is the only person that God referred to as his “friend”. God had chosen him to be the founder of a nation to which his own won would eventually be born. God was willing to sacrifice his son and required of Abraham to be able to do so also. He knew that one day one of Abraham‘s descendents would have to follow through with allowing God’s plan to unfold, even through a loved ones death. If Abraham had failed this test, most likely he would have become a footnote in the old testament and we all would be calling some other guy the founder of the nation of God.

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    • Brasil2520
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:43pm

      SHYMAN

      “No child was offered” – Just a child was terrorized
      “Do you support abortion” – No I have never told or helped a woman get a abortion, but 21 years ago I told my wife when she first told me she was pregnant, I said “it‘s your body but please don’t child kill our child” My daughter is now 20 years old and lives in Portugal, so I didn’t force my wife to have a child or force her to kill the child I let her make her own decision.
      Men love to tell women what to do with their body, I gave my wife the choice.

      LORNADUWN

      “God had no intention” – Intention is a big confusing word, like when I go to the casino my intention is to win but I lose, and for the intention of another person or a god ? So if someone is holding a knife over you, you are guessing and hoping that their cruel intention is a good one ? That’s a oxymoron, yes.

      “Abraham is the only person that God referred to as a friend” – Personally I wouldn’t scare my “friends” son with a knife, but thats just me.

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:20pm

    @ baddoggy

    As far as “. . . confessing to Priests. . . . ” What do you do with this passage from the Bible:

    “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.” (James 5:16, NIV)

    Probably ignore it, like so many “Bible Dhristians” do!

    Lastly, before it comes up, the “extra books in the Catholic Bible” were not ADDED AFTER THE REFORMATION, they’ve been there since Jesus time, in the Jewish Canon until after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. Even the first King James version of the Bible included these books, they were only removed from Protestant Bibles after that time, I “wonder” why? The Jews removed them because of the high number of Messianic prophasy in them that directly pointed to Jesus. Maybe there were “things” in there that didn’t back up protestant thought, such as the concept behind Purgatory and praying for the dead. . .

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    • PapaPatriarch
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:40pm

      The verse you quoted doesn’t say to confess to a priest, it say’s “eachother”.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:40pm

      reading comprehension is hard

      deerrrrrrrr

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    • Bandofthehawk
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:28am

      “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.” (James 5:16, NIV)

      This is why I use the King James, the word SIN is the King James is FAULT. The Greek word in the concordance is number 3900 and it means a side-slip, error, fall, fault, etc. The word(s) used as SIN in the new testament are completely different, number 266 for example is used mostly. I will read the chapter again to make sure I have the context right but it looks like it just means if you mess up admit it to others. Just sounds like honestly to me? Do you have another verse?

      God doesn’t need a “go between” to be reached by his children. We go directly to him and do not need another man for forgiveness.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:22am

      @ papa

      In the beginning of the new church, the leaders were not called “priest,” however, it was the leaders who were sought out to seek Spiritual Direction–including confessing of sins. Confession is just that to Catholics who use this form to grow in their Spiritual Life. Acts and thoughts that put strain on our relationship with God need to be straightened out. Remember, many in the early church through about the time of the Refermation could not read well themselves, and in fact, the Bible was not completely written or compiled fully into one “book” until St. Jerome took on the task in 4th Century. (See http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/canon.html for a good outlines related to Bible compliation.)

      In Acts 6, Peter states: ““It is not right that we should give up preaching the word of God to serve tables.” and directs that those should be appointed to take care of the daily taskes of the believers.

      As Catholics we believe that Church is a family covenant with the Trinity (also a “family”), with Christ as the head of the Body, and each having his or her gifts. The church also believes that we humans here on earth need more than just “thought pictures” and uses tactial means to confer Spiritual blessings: Baptism, water; Confirmation, oil; Reconciliation with God after sinning, meeting with a Spiritual Counselor who acts in the sted of Jesus in the blessing of Forgiveness.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:04am

      @ Bandofthehawk: “God doesn’t need a go between. . . ”

      You are correct GOD does not need a “go between,” although he did give us the Mediator, Jesus Christ.

      But, once again, as humans we are a Spirit with earthly bodies. The Church provides we “children of God” Sacraments in order to completely understand what is going on and to provide guidance when there is the riff between man and God. We asked God to forgive our sins on a daily (or more often!) basis as involved Catholics. But we approach the Church as our God Family, to help us in our Christian development and to reconcile us using external examples. God through Jesus is how IS forgiving the sin! The priest is merely the vehicle, like water for Baptism, bread/wine (or grape juice for some) for the Body and Blood. . .
      I know that non-Sacramentalists will have a difficult time with this concept–I was active in a non-Sacramental church since my birth! But, I am a person who uses ALL OF MY SENSES to learn–sight, hearing, touch, speech (love singing!!!), and even taste (just realize how I stuggle with my weight–I LOVE food!). Sacramental and liturgical churches use the sense to help tell the Gospel of Jesus–not excluding the written Gospel, but augmenting it for we “slow learners” of God’s children.

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  • 13th Generation American
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:43pm

    This guy is a loon. A web-footed red-crested lake loon.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:51pm

      Dan Foster says the same about you. And Senor Ramirez is surely a Barry supporter.

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:39pm

      As The Blaze’s “Loon-In-Residence”, I suppose we should all simply defer to your superior knowledge on the subject.

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:42pm

    Put a fence around California and shoot any illegal mexican that tries to escape

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  • disenlightened
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:38pm

    Those dead grandmothers will get you in trouble every time.

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  • Rayblue
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:35pm

    God save the child
    in the sea.
    God save the child.

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  • momrules
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:33pm

    Crazy as a bessie bug……….Thank God for the women and the guard. While what happened was terrible just think how much worse it would have been without the intervention of those three good people.

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  • Cymry
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:32pm

    Another day in America under obama…….by the way, does anyone remember the Illinois pick three number after election day in 2008?

    I do. It was 666 (even Snopes hasn’t scrubbed this fact).

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  • ADNIL
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:25pm

    The man is delusional……mentally ill. I’m glad those women came along when they did!

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  • Darla_K
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:18pm

    This is one sick crazed loon. I hope he never has custody of his children again. Is he a illegal that has come to the promise land to find Jesus?

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  • lukerw
    Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:17pm

    Christianity has No Sacrifice (as the Sacrifice of Christ was Perfect, ending all Sacrifice)… so, What Ritual is this?

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:36pm

      @PapaPatriarch

      YOU are delusional also.

      I’m not a Catholic nor a big supporter of ritualized religion of any kind, but … you lie.

      Catholics do not “re-crucify Christ”. Only mongrels think that. They celebrate in His sacrifice (done once & done), His resurrection, and His grace. They also do not “hang themselves on a cross (for real), presuming you are speaking about the CC in general, and not some few delusional people. Ditto about whipping.

      Got it you hate God. Bully for you. I guess, thought, the question is; what, exactly, has your faith in “no-God” brought to you? My guess is zilch.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:40pm

      The catholic Church is full of Mary worshippers and people who dont know the word of God. Heck they think they need a Priest to confess to. They are poorly taught and it ends up like this…

      Baddoggy  
    • M4finny
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:41pm

      @Papapatriarch: Where in the story does it mention Catholicism? And for the record, Catholics do not re-crucify Christ. He was crucified once. What Catholics do at Mass is celebrate the sacrifice that He made for all. Furthermore, Catholics do not “pray to dead saints”. God is the God of the living and not the dead and Catholics believe that the Saints are with Him in heaven. What Catholics do is ask for the intercession of the Saints in Heaven for them. Saints are not “worshiped” as you suggest. Your obvious hatred of Catholics is born from ignorance.

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    • PapaPatriarch
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:47pm

      @VoteRightDammit
      You said your not a Catholic so you wouldn’t understand that everything I said is true. Some of these stories have even been here on the Blaze.
      I’m not a profiler, but with a name like Ramirez I just took a guess.
      Masses are said to buy loved ones out of purgatory (or pieces of them) in Catholisism, and some Lutheran’s do also.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 8:56pm

      Actually @ papa, we Catholics DO NOT re-sacrifice Jesus at each celebration of the Eucharist (Body and Blood of Christ), rather we follow Jesus command to “Do this in memory of me.” by partaking in His Body and Blood under the form of Bread and Wine. Jesus sacrifice occured “once for all,” but gathering around his table to celebrate our salvation continues daily throughout the world in our dedicated Church.

      In the remembrance of the Passover, our Jewish brethern tell the story of the first Passover in the active voice, i.e., “I was taken from the land of Egypt; I ate manna in the wilderness; etc.” By using the active voice they are declaring that it is as if a Jew of today was present at that first Passover, stressing the importance of God’s provision and love. This is a form of thought that ties all time and eternity together.

      In the Celebration of the Holy Eucharist, Jesus becomes present today, even as he was present at the Last Supper, the Passover Celebration, for all time and eternity!

      You might want to research the “Jewish Roots of the Eucharist” which can be found in a number of books including one by this name by Brant Pitre.

      Oh, and if I believe in the Salvation and Resurrection of Jesus, why would you think “Saints” would be dead? Why can’t I ask someone in heaven to pray for me, I’d ask you to if I needed a “saint” to petition God on my behalf!

      Some “personal behaviors” (crucifition and flagulation) are NOT ENDORSED by the Churc

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:07pm

      @ Baddoggy

      “The catholic Church is full of Mary worshippers and people who dont know the word of God. Heck they think they need a Priest to confess to. They are poorly taught and it ends up like this…”

      As an Evangelical Christian who was reconciled with the Catholic Church 38 years ago, you are grossing wrong! I won’t even go into the list here, but several books can “update” you on what the Catholic Church actually teaching since the old “Chick Publications” tried to smear what is practiced and taught! Anything written by Scott Hahn, Brant Pitre, and especially “Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic” by David Currie would give answer to questions you probablty haven’t even formed yet!

      And, one thing you could do, it attend a Catholic Church Service (in English) on a Sunday. I think you will be blown away for the amount of Scripture that is read in every service–OT/Epistles/Psalm/Gospel, and the amount of scripture that is the basis for the prayers used throughout the service! I, personally, read the Bible through at least once a year–I attend and sing in the choir on Sundays and participate in daily Mass when I can. I probably hear/read more scripture than many “Bible carrying” Christian have heard in their life.

      And what about the parts of the Bible that Fundamentalist and Evangelical‘s won’t talk about like John 6. . .

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:22pm

      PapaPatriarch

      @VoteRightDammit
      You said your not a Catholic so you wouldn’t understand that everything I said is true.
      ______________________

      Blah Blah Blah …Blah

      Some people might be Catholic but might have been in the past & have chosen another denomination or religion. If one has never been Catholic, many people learn the precepts of other faiths. It pretty much depends on the person & who is teaching them as to how much they know about other faiths/denominations.

      You assuming that since they are not Catholic that they couldn’t possibly know is an awesome load of bs. I think you only comment to make people feel worse. Whatever, I have seen your type before.

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    • PapaPatriarch
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 10:20pm

      @hillbillyinny
      Right off Wikipedia =
      Transubstantiation From Wikipedia=
      In Roman Catholic theology, transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the doctrine that, in the Eucharist, the substance of wheat bread and grape wine changes into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus,[1] while all that is accessible to the senses (the appearances – species in Latin) remains as before.[2][3][4]

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:43am

      @ papa

      WIKOPEDIA??!!

      Why not try a source that might KNOW what it is talking about:

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm#section3

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:32am

      @ papa

      Sorry, WKIPEDIA ??!!

      And also sorry for SEVERAL other misspellings–my fingers go faster than my brain sometimes. . .

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